Way past time for Hindraf to sue Najib Razak

July 9, 2014 at 3:31 pm 87 comments

Updated: 29 March 2015

Hindraf chairman P. Waytha Moorthy believes that at some point in time during the hearing of his class action suit in the London High Court (to begin tomorrow), Najib Razak would have to be subpoenaed to testify.


The Hindraf lawsuit in London on March 30


Waytha is also quoted in an FMT report today ‘Hindraf suit in UK not to embarrass M’sia‘ as saying that the May 2013 MoU between Hindraf and BN is among the thousands of documents which his organization has compiled for their case.

BELOW: J-Star CEO Wong Chun Wai is a trustee of the Global Movement of Moderates (GMM), yet another of Najib’s many expensive 1Malaysia-Transformasi outfits

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Earlier and original posting as below

It was slightly more than a year ago that Hindraf chairman P. Waythamoorthy called on Najib Razak to quit as prime minister. Back then in mid-February 2014, Waytha had labelled Najib “a weak leader” who did not keep his promises.

Since then, more and more Malaysians are coming around to Waytha’s point of view with each passing day. Read about Waytha’s follow-up move @ ‘The Hindraf lawsuit in London this coming Monday (30 March 2015)’.

Updated: 27 March 2015


Najib talks about the importance of “leadership”, ahem-ahem

Why then the paralyzing reliance on Pemandu and all those multi-billion ringgit consultants and advisors?

The Invisibles

These are the Indians who took to the street during the Hindraf rally to protest the marginalization of their community.

Marginalized Indians … their women folk are almost invisible.

The men folk make up a disproportionate number of the convicts in jail. A disproportionate number of criminal “suspects” under detention. A disproportionate number of custodial deaths in the police lock-up.

Otherwise they’re not really noticed in our midst. Until their uprising in November 2007.

BELOW: Shot by the FRU water cannons

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The kind of people swarming the PMO

Why keep the syok sendiri TalentCorp in the Prime Minister’s Office when the whole concept is counter-productive and so wasteful?

TalentCorp is essentially an outfit set up to beg Dapsters and Malay liberals to make Malaysia their home.

TalentCorp hosted career fairs for undergrads all around the world in places where it’s nice to go shopping and sightseeing.

The senior management of TalentCorp

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TalentCorp Team - TalentCorp Malaysia

Look at the number of staff that TalentCorp has, http://www.talentcorp.com.my/about-us/staff-directory/

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Staff Directory - TalentCorp Malaysia

HINDRAF

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was given a grand total of

T-W-O

that’s right

… 2 …

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of their own staff only to be stationed in Waytha’s Putrajaya office

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BELOW: TalentCorp will be in The Oberoi, Dubai next week

Last year, in addition to Dubai, TalentCorp also went to Abu Dhabi, Doha, Manama and Muscat.

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The Oberai, Dubai

PM who doesn’t have his priorities straight

Najib Razak allowed the then Deputy Minister Senator P. Waytha Moorthy to bring in a grand total of TWO staff (his own selected Tamil speakers) to be on the government payroll.

Is it any surprise that Waytha walked out given the kind of “leadership” shown by Najib?

The BN signed an MoU with Hindraf guaranteeing the five-year Blueprint to help the poorest of the poor.

Najib did not give Hindraf any budget to carry out the programmes promised.

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The Hilton, Adelaide

RM80m (or more) for TalentCorp this year alone

Instead Najib gives TalentCorp a budget of hundreds of million of ringgit.

This year alone, the operating budget for TalentCorp is RM20,000,000 plus another RM58,450,000 Special Projects allocation.

TalentCorp held their programmes in The Marriott, Melbourne; The Hilton, Adelaide. They’ve had recurrent [holiday] tours in Sydney, in Brisbane, in Perth, in Wellington, in Auckland.

In London, TalentCorp was at the Holiday Villa Hotel & Suites, at the Lancaster London, at the Cumberland Marble Arch, in Birmingham at the Crowne Plaza Hotel, in Newcastle, in Manchester, in Glasgow, in Dublin.

TalentCorp took their “Outreach” fun fair to Paris, to Nice – now nice – Lille, Aix-de-Provence (Urm, where dat? Got Malaysian students there, ah?). And Berlin, Frankfurt, Stuttgart, Dusseldorf. Also Brussels.

BELOW: They were at this hotel in Bahrain (photo taken from TalentCorp Facebook captioned “Middle East Networking Dinner”)

TalentCorp in the Middle East

Please check out their activities and their Facebook

http://www.talentcorp.com.my/

http://www.facebook.com/TalentCorpMsia

On top of not delivering a budget, Najib allowed his Dapster Khairy to character assassinate Waytha Moorthy.

KJ, thank you.

KJ 10 Q

KJ's convoy -- see his SUV number plate

KJ’s convoy — see his SUV number plate

The “leadership” of Najib Razak

There are homeless people sleeping in the streets in KL who queue up for a bowl of charity soup.

The poor Indians have no home ownership either. Some have no job. Many among the DEWs (Displaced Estate Workers) have little qualifications and fewer prospects. Not much of a future to look forward to.

Overall, they have very low expectations of the government but for a brief moment, they did hold to some little hope with Waytha’s presence in Putrajaya.

They waited and waited. Until after the Budget Speech in October. Then they said, we’ll give Najib time until after the Umno general assembly in December.

From one postponement to the next, they waited for Najib to keep his word and BN to fulfil the terms of the MoU. Only to have disappointment after disappointment greeting them.

Now they’ve no more trust left in the Umno leadership after what they consider to be Najib breaking nambikei.

Some critics said Waytha should have tried harder to work with the system. How could he when Najib’s system and priorities are so screwed up?

Hindraf should just sue the Prime Minister for not upholding the MoU.

Related:

The swanky hotels around the world where TalentCorp held their functions

The public must demand TalentCorp show us their results/report card

We take it TalentCorp enjoyed their European grand tour

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  • 1. Fakin' Fake Calvin  |  July 9, 2014 at 4:02 pm

    One of their top management staff featured above was given a write up about her supposed achievement of winning graduate employer of the year 3 times with her parent firm.

    What they didn’t mention was the fact that she made the atmosphere in the office so toxic that she had to be shunted out. And the aftermath of her exit was the entire Human Capital division was so splintered that the new guy had to start from scratch and had a clean sweep of all the awards including the minor ones. And she shamelessly told everyone it is her staff who won it.

    Why on earth are the taxpayers paying for her bloated salary which matches if not exceeding both the PM as well as the Selangor Speaker’s salaries?

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  • 2. beastofburden  |  July 9, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    Wonder whats the pay structure of these jokers? Same as Jala and the dungus?

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  • 3. grkumar  |  July 9, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    If any Indian aspires to leadership of his her community they must demonstrate an attitude beyond the reactionary mind set of the Waytha’s of this world. Very few in the Indian community can say they come from privilege. Perhaps Ambiga Sreenivasan but is she Indian? Or is that simply an accident of birth in her case?

    Waythat has been waiting for handouts having now used up almost all of the political capital earned by the parade in November 2007 what galvanized and morphed into Hindraf.

    I don’t think that there is salvation waiting for messiahs and government’s to pave the way or give hand outs for Indians or Chinese anywhere. There is no god given right to that. Not even with citizenship. There are no precedents anywhere for what Waytha and his mob are chasing.

    The Indian leadership are reactionaries without any demonstrable capacity to effectively manage their situation or negotiate their way out of it. Everytime they make some headway they end up taking five steps backwards.

    Why has Waytha no plans independent of government so that his presence becomes indispensable to government instead of it being that he becomes a dispensable commodity for government to chew and throw out because his demands are unrealistic and within unrealistic time frames?

    Why are Indians referred to as poor and marginalized? what about those who have made it? Why do we rely on this poor thing image and seek sympathy all of the time. Is it not time to create new role models instead of threats of martyrdom and fasting to death worthless bargaining chips?

    Waytha has failed. By surrounding himself with no diversity and with family he is no different o all those Indian “leaders” who went before him. Samy Velu has a better record of achievement than Waytha ever will at this rate.

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    • 4. Helen Ang  |  July 9, 2014 at 5:40 pm

      re: “Waytha has been waiting for handouts”

      One example: How is asking for 7 percent or more quota – say in vocational training institutes – to be considered a handout?

      Reserved places are a function of affirmative action programmes. That’s why Malay kids can go to Sekolah Asrama Penuh (residential schools). MRSMs are built for the Malays.

      Setting a target on vocational training is realistic if they’re going on the assumption that Indian kids from a disadvantaged background may not be academically inclined or able to catch up.

      re: “There are no precedents anywhere for what Waytha and his mob are chasing.”

      Neither is there anywhere else in the world where an ethnicity (Melayu) is mandated by law to belong to a specified religion (Islam). This is the milieu in which the minorities find ourselves.

      re: “The Indian leadership are reactionaries without any demonstrable capacity to effectively manage their situation or negotiate their way out of it.”

      They represent Indians who are trapped in such a reactionary situation, e.g. 100 residents of Taman Permata in Dengkil living in tents for months (mid-2013) after their flats were declared unsafe for habitation.

      They were formerly staying in the estates that make up Putrajaya today before they were evicted in 1998 so that our administrative capital could be built. The flats were an interim accommodation.

      http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2013/07/31/taman-permata-flats-ministry-offers-interim-measures/

      re: “Why has Waytha no plans independent of government so that his presence becomes indispensable to government …”

      Can I hear your suggestion please?

      re: “instead of it being that he becomes a dispensable commodity for government to chew and throw out because his demands are unrealistic and within unrealistic time frames?”

      The point is that the BN – represented by its sec-gen Tengku Adnan Mansor – signed on the dotted line to deliver what is contained in the MoU. If Waytha’s demands are unrealistic, then why did BN agree and sign the MoU in the first place?

      It was a 5-year plan. Waytha walked out after 8 months of Najib sitting on his hands. The first phase of the plan was to have been effected in the first 12 months. Why didn’t Najib even set up the Expert Steering Committee which was to have been the starting point?

      The committee was to have comprised 5 men. Hindraf to nominate 2 names, BN 2 names and originally the chairman of this committee was a Tan Sri shortlisted from Umno (I won’t say who but this individual’s name was agreeable to Hindraf).

      re: “Why are Indians referred to as poor and marginalized? what about those who have made it?”

      Okay. Ambiga is someone who made it. Is she championing the cause of the poor Indians? See her priorities in the poster below.

      re: “Why do we rely on this poor thing image and seek sympathy all of the time.”

      Hindraf seeks for BN to honour the MoU which Tengku Adnan signed under the glare of cameras and news coverage, and witnessed by Najib.

      I said Hindraf should sue the BN chairman for breach of MoU. I did not say that Hindraf should seek the sympathy of the Najib administration because obviously the BN chairman-cum-PM is someone under the impression that we can buy a whole chicken for one ringgit.

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      http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/256658

      re: “Is it not time to create new role models instead of threats of martyrdom and fasting to death worthless bargaining chips?”

      True. Waytha did threaten to martyr himself by fasting to death. That was a passive response. Should the Indians be more vocal and model themselves on Perkasa & Isma?

      re: “Waytha has failed.”

      Najib failed to fulfil the terms of the MoU which the BN signed.

      re: “By surrounding himself with no diversity and with family he is no different to all those Indian ‘leaders’ who went before him.”

      It’s not altogether a matter of Waytha choosing to exclude others from his circle.

      Can you please name me some public figures or personalities who have shown an interest in helping “marginalized” Indians? (No home ownership, no academic/professional qualifications, no job – as an example.)

      Let’s further specify the marginalized Indians — say, those tent dwellers in Dengkil mentioned earlier. Do you hear the Ambigas and the Marinas highlighting their predicament as they do the LBGTs?

      BELOW: What are the causes fought by successful Indian role models, e.g. Ambiga?

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      • 5. Helen Ang  |  July 9, 2014 at 5:57 pm

        ADDITIONAL COMMENT

        re: “Why has Waytha no plans independent of government so that his presence becomes indispensable to government …”

        If the (problem of) stateless Indians were to be given their papers and strategically registered as voters in key areas, the BN voter bank would expand.

        The group affected by TalentCorp, i.e. those enticed to come back from overseas, do not fit the profile of a BN voter.

        (The 47% BN voters are poor, kampung and stupid people, according to popular DAP perception. Estate Indians fit two of the categories, poor and rural. The “talented” returnees do not.

        Why is Najib pumping money to support policies benefitting people who hate him and some of whom despise or have contempt for the country?

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    • 6. IT Shiess  |  July 10, 2014 at 2:49 am

      That’s a typical neo-liberal response.

      What have those Indians who made it like Ananda Krishnan, Tony Fernandez, Ambiga (perhaps) done for the downtrodden Indians who have been displaced from their closely-knit communities on the estates AND Kampung Buah Pala in Penang?

      What have the successful, professional, middle-class Indians done for these unfortunate fellow Indians?

      What has President Obama done for the majority of fellow African-Americans in the U.S. who are in a similar predicament as Indians here despite affirmative action in the U.S. which has helped but not that much?

      There is nothing wrong in Waytha’s request the the Malaysian government do something to help those Indians at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder to rise up.

      Obviously, you are not stuck in a poverty trap, otherwise you won’t say such things.

      Below is an excerpt from an article where a highly successful entrepreneur in the U.S. urges his fellow plutocrats not to ignore those less fortunate than them.

      “And so I have a message for my fellow filthy rich, for all of us who live in our gated bubble worlds: Wake up, people. It won’t last.

      If we don’t do something to fix the glaring inequities in this economy, the pitchforks are going to come for us. No society can sustain this kind of rising inequality. In fact, there is no example in human history where wealth accumulated like this and the pitchforks didn’t eventually come out. You show me a highly unequal society, and I will show you a police state. Or an uprising. There are no counterexamples. None. It’s not if, it’s when.”

      http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-pitchforks-are-coming-for-us-plutocrats-108014.html

      He knows fully well that all those highlighted in the media who went from rags to riches are a tiny minority of those who are poor and entrepreneurship is no magic bullet with which most of them can pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

      He also knows that those at the bottom or left behind won’t simply fade away but as history has often testified to, have risen up and choped off the heads of plutocrats like him.

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      • 7. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 4:13 am

        re: “What have those Indians who made it like Ananda Krishnan, Tony Fernandez, Ambiga (perhaps) done for the downtrodden Indians who have been displaced from their closely-knit communities on the estates AND Kampung Buah Pala in Penang?”

        Muzafar Desmond Tate wrote:

        “The handful of Indian/Tamil millionaires like T. Ananda Krishnan of KLCC fame tend to operate independently of one another and not be involved in Indian community affairs per se.” (p.222)

        (The Malaysian Indians: History, Problems and Future, SIRD: 2008)

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        • 8. IT Shiess  |  July 10, 2014 at 2:37 pm

          Thanks Helen,

          That’s what I have heard too, verbally in conversation and it’s unfortunate.

          I’ve read that there’s been an ethos of philantrophy amongst the Chinese community in Malaysia whereby those Chinese who made it rich contribute back to the community through schools, hospitals, maternity homes, chambers of commerce, assembly halls, etc.

          That’s why I guess the Chinese in Malaysia can be relatively independent of state assistance, self-reliant and relatively prosperous compared to other ethnicities.

          However, there’s been rather little of that amongst the Indian community in Malaysia, where there’s also much division based upon caste and “sub-ethnicity” -i.e. Ceylon Tamil, India Tamil, Malayalam, Punjabi, Sinhalese, etc., and to some extent, this relates back to the division of labour between Indians which the British colonialists created in Malaya.

          For example, the India Tamils were brought to Malaya to work in the plantations and be labourers, while the Ceylon Tamils were brought in to work in the civil service and administration. A friend who has worked in the plantations told me that the Malayalees usually worked in supervisory posts, whilst the Tamils worked as tappers and other labourers.

          A Ceylon Tamil family friend of mine who is a retired senior civil servant insisted that he is not Tamil but Ceylonese. He then pointed around his home and asked, “do you see Tamils living like this”.

          This division of labour definitely fitted in with the British colonialists’ divide and rule strategy, the effects of which have perpetuated within the Indian community in Malaysia till today.

          It also comprises of class divisions within the Indian community in Malaysia – between capitalist class, professionals (petty-bourgeosie), white collar proletarian. blue-collar proletarian and so on, which is also exacerbated by caste divisions.

          Here the India Tamils are mostly working class or come from working class backgrounds.

          Ananda Krishnan is a Ceylon Tamil (or Ceylonese), whilst Tony Fernandez is a Malayalee. Not sure about Ambiga.

          Yes, in the early days, similar divisions based upon dialect spoken and the part of China one migrated from was a divisive factor amongst the Chinese community in Malaya & Malaysia but I understand that these divisions have now greatly blurred or even disappeared, especially amongst young Chinese in Malaysia.

          I ask all Indians to ponder this Speech of Willie Lynch with an open mind and see how much of it applies to plantations in Malaya & Malaysia.

          http://www.iupui.edu/~blacksu/PDF%20Documents/Documents/WillieLynchLetter.pdf

          Willie Lynch was a British plantation and slave owner from the West Indies who viisted America to advise fellow plantation owners in Virginia how to control their slaves through methods to divide and rule, including how to manipulate their slaves by exploiting slight differences between them, and even by creating differences in order to exploit them.

          Are you still victims of Willie Lynch-style divide and rule methods employed by the plantation owners and British colonialists, even several generations later?

          Isn’t it time for you to wake up and shake off these mental and shackles, and legacies from Malaya’s colonial past?

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          • 9. Kamal  |  July 11, 2014 at 1:52 am

            Ambiga is Tamil Brahmin, quite rare among Malaysian Tamils. Her surname is a typical Tamil Brahmin surname. Among friends I’ve always mentioned that the single biggest problem with overseas Indians (Malaysian Indians included) is that when they came here, they brought their homeland, their regionalism, and their caste system with them.

            You aptly mentioned the regional differences and the pride that comes along with it. However, even within a particular regional group, different groups erect barriers within themselves.

            Even among Tamil speaking people from Tamil Nadu, there are the Brahmins, the Pillais, highborn Tamil Muslims (Syeds and Begums), low born Tamil Muslims, the Chettinads and so forth. I am Gen Y and still hear caste and regional matchmaking preferences among friends my age!

            Granted more are getting more open however, openness usually extends to non Indian people. In my observation, self-perceived higher born Indians would rather marry outside the Indian race than of someone lower born.

            Explains much of the Ceylonese/Malayalee/Telugu fascination for Chinese/Malay girls! Similarly, Punjabi guys would rather marry Malay or Chinese girls than marry ANY southerner. There are exceptions but they’re probably as rare as a Malay converting outside of Islam.

            I think the government can do more to improve the Tamil underclass conditions but the only way to do it with guaranteed returns (ie they don’t migrate to Perth or the UK once they make it) is to gradually mould them into a post-Indian identity. Leaving them culturally Indian will just expose them to the problems I just described, and making them white is worst. The Malaysian elite’s lack of sympathy is I feel due to their feeling white.

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      • 10. islam1st  |  July 10, 2014 at 8:28 am

        ‘“And so I have a message for my fellow filthy rich, for all of us who live in our gated bubble worlds: Wake up, people. It won’t last.

        If we don’t do something to fix the glaring inequities in this economy, the pitchforks are going to come for us. No society can sustain this kind of rising inequality. In fact, there is no example in human history where wealth accumulated like this and the pitchforks didn’t eventually come out. You show me a highly unequal society, and I will show you a police state. Or an uprising. There are no counterexamples. None. It’s not if, it’s when.”

        Thus the NEP, we all love to hate. The ‘entrepreneur’ had probably learn from the Malaysian experiences just like Amy Chua did! At 65% poverty rates among the Malays, and followed by May 13, the Gomen was right all along to put the NEP in place.

        But ‘Perjuangan Masih Belum Selesai’ as the Bumiputra equity still falls at less than 24% and as stressed by Najib on CNBC that ‘aiding the bumiputeras is imperative for the country’s stability as they make up more than half of the country’s demographic.’

        He goes on to add:

        “I believe in equitable growth. I believe in being fair and being inclusive. You mustn’t forget that 67% of the population in this country is bumiputera and that’s a vast majority. And if the vast majority are marginalised or feel that they’re not getting a fair share of the country’s wealth, then that might affect the long-term stability in this country,’

        http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business-news/255496-bumiputera-economic-agenda-raises-questions.html

        Hantu laut had a take on the issue, which he titled ‘Marginalised Indians, Poor Malays And Poorer Bumiputras’

        ‘There are many successful Indians as lawyers,doctors,accountants and in other professions.I would say as a ratio to population the Indians would have the highest number of doctors in the country.Do they feel marginalised.’

        Hantulaut goes on to ask ‘Are the Indians really marginalised or they are just apathetic ?’

        The table below goes on to prove that the Bumiputras lebih miskin tegar compared to other races in the country

        Jadual 7: Insiden Kemiskinan Tegar Mengikut Etnik, Strata dan Negeri, Malaysia, 1984-2012

        http://www.epu.gov.my/documents/10124/ea7c59c2-3eb8-453e-8f11-0627d71200b8

        And here’s the ‘Agihan Pendapatan Bagi Kumpulan Isi Rumah 20% Tertinggi, 40% Pertengahan dan 40% Terendah Mengikut Etnik dan Strata, Malaysia, 1970-2012’ for us to scrutinize.

        http://www.epu.gov.my/documents/10124/9dd3a626-76b8-46ff-bd8e-288cff3433f4

        Despite Waytha’s way or the highway, ways of handling the Indian issues, here’s some good news. Thanks, but no thanks, Waytha!

        ‘On the ethnic breakdown, Indians recorded the highest increase in monthly household income at 9 per cent from RM3,999 to RM5,233, followed by the Chinese at 8 per cent from RM5,011 to RM6,366 and Bumiputeras, 6.9 per cent from RM3,624 to RM4,457.’

        http://web10.bernama.com/kpdnhep/v2/index.php?lang=en&sid=newsdetailkbbm&id=937776

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        • 11. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 9:14 am

          It’s true that a segment of the Indians are successful professionals, esp. doctors and lawyers.

          Take Karpal’s family. All his working-age sons and his daughter are lawyers. But that’s an imbalance because these half dozen or so lawyers (incl. the father when he was alive) belong to ONE family. The distribution is not evenly spread out to the other Indians.

          And secondly Karpal’s family is Punjabi Sikh. When we talk about DEWs, they’re mostly Tamil Hindus. But both are lumped under “Indians”.

          Then there are the fair-skinned Malayalees, some of whom would be most insulted if you were to call them “Indian’. Would the successful chettiars In Penang be considered Indian too albeit Muslim?

          Then take Ambiga and the causes that she’s fighting for. Bersih/elections. She’s not into the cause of the marginalized Indians. She’s more comfortable in the company of MM and HY.

          It’s not unfair for Waytha to pinpoint the problems suffered by his target group. Consider their historical background. They came as uneducated, hard labourers. Some to work in the plantations, some to build roads. They’re still trapped in the poverty cycle.

          Some Indians came here as administrative or skilled workers and teachers. Like the Ceylonese who had clerical jobs in the colonial offices, also Indians. When we’re discussing the Indian problem, they have to be differentiated.

          And when the government talks about Bumiputera, it conveniently conflates the Malays with the natives of Sabah and Sarawak and with the Orang Asli too. The Stats Dept refuses to let the public know the breakdown of the data.

          So when the figures show that, say, 40 percent of Bumiputera are poor, they could be referring to the Orang Asli, and the pribumi living in the interior of Borneo.

          Among the Malays, the poor could be reduced to 15 percent already but this is obscured/covered up by bunching the figures under the Bumiputera umbrella.

          Simple logic: Advanced development has not reached those areas of rural Sarawak that are still only accessible by boat while Sabah is the poorest state. Obviously, the poorest Bumiputeras would be from East Malaysia.

          Meanwhile the Malays are cornering the market in the GLCs, such as Johan Mahmood Merican who is the high flying CEO of TalentCorp. Hence the NEP success stories are the Malays.

          So to say that such and such percentage of Bumiputera is poor is disingenuous unless the breakdown is provided of the figures between Melayu, pribumi and orang Asli who are living in the forest fringes or settlements.

          Here, look at this pie chart (below) by the Stats Dept from the 2010 census. There is no reason for them not to segmentize the Malays separately from the pribumi but they deliberately omit to do that.

          See what I mean about the gomen agencies deliberately conflating.

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          • 12. islam1st  |  July 10, 2014 at 9:37 am

            When will it gets to you that, ‘Malays with the natives of Sabah and Sarawak and with the Orang Asli too.’ are BUMIPUTRAS!

            No two way about it.

            Some goes with the Indians, although some, due to religion or social standing, like to claims otherwise, comes from what is now known as India, the Republic.

            It was deliberate. I concur. But conflating with malice intent? A big no. In my teenage years, I had done BANCI, and imagine the trouble for ‘us’ should we bumped into Ambiga, Jac Victor and KJ John, should they be persistent with ‘I’m not Indian actually!’.

            Do you know how many different ethnicity and sub-enthicity among the Sabah and Sarawak? And how do you breakdown the Malays plak, when some Jawas believe that the government purposely conflate the stats to cover their institutionalized racism towards the Jawas?

            How do we go about tabulating the Mericans economic achievement?

            Thus, the Gomen simply put, Melayu, Cina & India.

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            • 13. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 9:50 am

              re: “Thus, the Gomen simply put, Melayu, Cina & India.”

              The pribumi live in Sabah and Sarawak lah. How difficult would it be to separate the Iban, Dayak, Kadazan and Kelabit from the Melayu of the peninsula?

              Two categories: Melayu / Pribumi Sabah & Sarawak. Not asking for 100 tribal sub-divisions of Borneo. Not asking for separation of the Minang from the Bugis from the Jawa either.

              You simply cannot plan the development of Sarawak by conflating their population and economics with the Malays across the Laut Cina Selatan. The gomen got lah the data. They just don’t want to open to the public. For the reason I mentioned.

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              • 14. islam1st  |  July 10, 2014 at 10:31 am

                Helen, Gomen with official stats must act in certain manner inclusive of all the bangsa in Malaysia, Melayu, Cina, India.

                Buat apa nak pecah Sabah dan Sarawak bumis from Peninsular bumis? Pecah perintah? Gomen simply won’t do this. Never. Kalau buat Gomen tu bodoh dan tak bertanggungjawab.

                But I agree that they have the breakdown, perhaps you should search la some more, pergi jabatan perangkaan negeri ke…

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                • 15. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 11:12 am

                  It’s the national narrative of Bumiputera-ism lah.

                  Remember the 1947 census? The number of non-Malays was even with the Malays. This reality on the ground was what prompted Tunku to pelawa Sabah & Sarawak to form Malaysia or otherwise the Chinese, with Singapore’s entry in 1963, would become the majority.

                  Malays are 50-something percent of the population (54.6% according to 2010 census, not direct info revealed by the Stats Dept but through my doing some math homework).

                  Campur pribumi – and maybe orang Siam dan keturunan Portugis – the Bumiputera segment is bumped up to 67.4% to make the Malays feel stronger and the Chinese feel weaker.

                  Like I said, it’s also convenient for Umno to inflate the “Bumiputera” poverty figures by conflating with pribumi and Orang Asli in order to deflate (knowledge of) the actual Malay share of the cake.

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                  • 16. islam1st  |  July 10, 2014 at 11:30 am

                    ‘Campur pribumi – and maybe orang Siam dan keturunan Portugis’

                    You miss out Baba Nyonya, Helen.

                    On another note, the Chitty had this to say about the Kesultanan Melayu Melaka.

                    ‘Nadarajan said that based on Portuguese explorers’ records, there were 300 to 400 Chitty people living in the Malacca Sultanate while Naina Chattu, a Chitty leader, was a Bendahara, a position equivalent to prime minister.

                    Nadarajan also believes that many others held key positions as ministers and top government officials during the Malacca Sultanate.

                    “Most of these stories are anecdotes as we lack documents to prove them,” he said, adding that the association is raising funds to enable its members to visit the Lisbon Library in Portugal where records on the period are kept.’

                    http://www.thestar.com.my/story.aspx/?sec=nation&file=%2f2011%2f3%2f15%2fnation%2f8270624

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                    • 17. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 11:50 am

                      re: “You miss out Baba Nyonya, Helen.”

                      (1) They still Cina. At the end of the day, the bottomline remains the Malay vs Chinese / Chinese vs Malay rivalry. DS Najib is willing for anyone Muslim (Pakistani lah, Arab lah, DKK, etc) to become a Malay. Only the Chinese and the Indian Hindus are excluded.

                      I’m not blaming Umno entirely. We have Chinatowns all over the world indicating that Chinese find it difficult to integrate much less assimilate.

                      (2) The younger generation among the Baba Nyonya have reverted to rejoin the Chinese community.

                    • 18. islam1st  |  July 10, 2014 at 11:59 am

                      ‘(2) The younger generation among the Baba Nyonya have reverted to rejoin the Chinese community.’

                      Tu la. Hope the culture will last. I very much suka dengar diaorang cakap Melayu. Siap pantun bagai. Alahai…

                      Mulan boleh pantun ka?

                    • 19. Survivor  |  July 10, 2014 at 12:15 pm

                      Re We have Chinatowns all over the world indicating that Chinese find it difficult to integrate much less assimilate.

                      They do integrate. Go to those countries. They go to the same schools, study in the same language. Chinatown ? They are just tourist spots. Most of the middle class Chinese, the wealthy ones, they moved out a long time ago. Most live in suburbs along with the mainstream community.

                      Only those who arrive via illegal channels, typically illegal immigrants, they stay in Chinatown. Most of these people are deported after they were arrested.

                      Its not that difficult to integrate them. Start with education. Make sure the kids go to the same schools. The older ones, the adults, make them understand that integration is the only means for them to prosper. Above all, stop pandering to racial chauvinists who insists that they are different from the rest. If you give in to their demands, you end up with segregation.

                      The gov had a chance to implement a single school stream system in the aftermath of 513 but it failed to. Had they done it back them. we would have a single school system now.

                    • 20. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 12:21 pm

                      Okay, I modify my earlier comment.

                      Chinese willing to adopt American twang, Aussie drawl or even a Cockney acccent.

                      They refuse to speak BM. Kenapa tu?

                      Entah lah. Cuba kamu kemukakan “soalan mulut” kepada Puan Speaker.

                    • 21. Survivor  |  July 10, 2014 at 12:29 pm

                      Something is not right. If I m not mistaken, Hannah Yeoh tu kan pelajar SK. Sepatutnya BM dia okay. Ini mesti salah Umno lah. Kan SK sekolah kerajaan. Kalau penguasaan BM kalangan para pelajar tak memuaskan, salah Umno lah sebab Kerajaan pusat ni kerajaan yang di kuasai oleh Umno. Salah Umno ni. Soalan mulut ? Apa ni ? Maksud kamu soalan lisan ?

        • 22. abc  |  July 10, 2014 at 4:36 pm

          re: …….. Bumiputra equity still falls at less than 24% and as stressed by Najib on CNBC

          What is the distribution of ownership of this ”Bumi equity of less than 24%? Own by few elite bumi or evenly distributed across the bumi community?

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        • 23. IT Shiess  |  July 10, 2014 at 7:14 pm

          The NEP was introduced in the aftermath of May 13th to redress the poverty amongst the Bumiputera which was one of the grievances which contributed to the racial violence at the time.

          Today there is a segment of the Indian population which has been left behind and is poor. They are mostly India Tamils (as opposed to Ceylon Tamils a.k.a. Ceylonese) and as Helen pointed out, this segment is mostly Hindu and working class.

          The word “Indian” is pretty broad and besides India Tamils, includes Ceylonese, Malayalee, Punjabi, Tamil Muslims (Mamak), Malayalee Muslims and others and it’s mostly India Tamil Hindus who are stuck in the poverty trap, whilst other Indians are doing quite well, thanks to the level of education, occupations and businesses their forefathers were engaged in when they came to Malaya.

          Therefore it’s the government’s responsibilty to Malaysian citizens to help this segment of Indians to get out of the poverty trap as well.

          Of cousre it would be great if the Indian community as a whole could pull together to help their own fellow Indian as well but unlike with the Chinese, there aren’t enough Indian institutions or a community network in place right now to facilitate that.

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      • 24. Survivor  |  July 10, 2014 at 10:32 am

        Re That’s a typical neo-liberal response.

        Neo liberalism is the new conservatism. What we have here is basically linguistic manipulation. Tell me, tell us, what’s the difference between a neo liberal and a neo conservative ? Not an ounce of difference. Both are dedicated to the preservation of the power of their corporate masters Big Business.

        Re He knows fully well that all those highlighted in the media who went from rags to riches are a tiny minority

        Most wealth are in the hands of the old money elite, or in other words, inherited wealth. Look at the Rockefelllers, Goldmans, Vanderbilts etc.

        Re He also knows that those at the bottom or left behind won’t simply fade away but as history has often testified to, have risen up and choped off the heads of plutocrats like him.

        Which is why law enforcement is now increasingly militarized in the US. Militarized so that in times of crisis, the guns will be used to silence the mob.

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        • 25. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 10:35 am

          re: “Most wealth are in the hands of the old money elite”

          This is where Inheritance Tax comes in.

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          • 26. Survivor  |  July 10, 2014 at 10:42 am

            Re This is where Inheritance Tax comes in.

            Speaking from my own personal experience in the investment banking sector, the inheritance tax failed miserably.

            The old money elite, through proper tax planning, they simply dodged the tax using special purpose vehicles to hide their wealth in places beyond the reach of the tax authority.

            Now you know why the rich keep getting richer.

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            • 27. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 10:46 am

              re: “Now you know why the rich keep getting richer.”

              They got good lawyers and accountants.

              The poor also getting poorer. The Hindraf Blueprint needs to be carried out.

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              • 28. islam1st  |  July 10, 2014 at 10:50 am

                ‘The Hindraf Blueprint needs to be carried out.’

                No la Helen, the Indians need good lawyers and accountants.

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                • 29. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 11:00 am

                  We’ll see how good a lawyer Waytha is … if he can sue Najib.

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              • 30. Survivor  |  July 10, 2014 at 11:03 am

                Re The Hindraf Blueprint needs to be carried out.

                Come on now. You actually think the gov is going to implement it ? The gov is more interested in hooking up with people like Tony rather than improving the livelihood of the downtrodden Indians.

                By the way, you must be really busy to the extend that my reply to a reader on Talent Corp has yet to appear.

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                • 31. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 11:44 am

                  re: “By the way, you must be really busy to the extend that my reply to a reader on Talent Corp has yet to appear.”

                  Typing long answers on the Hindraf thread. Rina is taxing me.

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        • 32. IT Shiess  |  July 10, 2014 at 7:56 pm

          “Tell me, tell us, what’s the difference between a neo liberal and a neo conservative? Not an ounce of difference. Both are dedicated to the preservation of the power of their corporate masters Big Business.”

          It’s more complex that than. Liberalism has many forms, including classical liberalism, economic liberalism, social liberalism, neoliberalism and others.

          To me, Neoliberalism is very much into unfettered free markets and is against any kind of government intervention to redress social imbalances or to regulate businesses in any way, even when it harms the well-being of the economy and society as a whole.

          I regard Neoliberalism as right wing anarchism which is the primary ideology on the Internet today and which is heavily promoted by global institutions such as the UN, World Bank, IMF, etc. today, and they main ideology promoted by the globalists.

          This is what Wikipedia has to say about Neoliberalism.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

          On the other hand, whilst Social Liberalism favours a capitalist market economy, it however believes in government intervention to redress social injustices. Social Liberalism is closer to Social Democracy. Some Democrats in the U.S. are Social Liberals.

          This is Wikipedia’s definition of Social Liberalism.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberals

          I understand Libertarianism as the socio-cultural aspect of Neoliberalism in that unlike traditional conservatives who are both socially, culturally and economically conservative, Libertarians are liberal or even permissive on social and cultural issues, such as abortion, individual liberties, free speech, free press, LGBT rights, race relations and so on but are against government regulation of businesses, including regulations against labour exploitation, racial discrimination in employment, etc.

          Neo-conservatives on the other hand were former Trotskyite leftists (anti-Stalin leftists and former followers of Leon Trotsky) who moved over to the Rebublican right and who encourage U.S. imperialist military aggression against other countries to promote “democracy”, “human rights”, etc.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-conservatives

          Anwar Ibrahim’s good friend Paul Wolfowitz is a leading Neoconservative and architect of the U.S. war on Iraq, which is why I’m suspicious of Anwar.

          Many outspoken opponents of Neo-conservatism and war on the Internet are Libertarians, such as Ron Paul, Tony Cartalucci, Christopher Greene, Alex Jones for example, and in this regard I’m on the same page as me but I’m dead against them on their Neoliberal economic policies either domestically or in other countries.

          Traditional American Conservatives such as Pat Buchanan are opposed to U.S. military interventions in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., but are also anti-immigration.

          Whilst I have cited Wikipedia extensively here, I came to similar conclusions about the different kinds of LIbertarians, Liberalisms and Neoconservativs on my own and have cited Wikipedia only because it mor or less fits by own understanding.

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  • 34. Indian  |  July 9, 2014 at 7:14 pm

    ‘Hindraf should just sue the Prime Minister for not upholding the MoU.’

    Damned right.

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  • 35. Xynal Hamzah  |  July 9, 2014 at 7:21 pm

    But we have another indian hero here, P Ramasamy of Dap!

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  • 36. abc  |  July 9, 2014 at 7:22 pm

    re: I said Hindraf should sue the BN chairman for breach of MoU

    That document called MOU is not binding. I am surprised that Waytha as a trained lawyer entered into a non-binding agreement.

    Anyway, I have high respect for him when he quit his posts as senator and deputy minister. He could have continued both positions until the coming 14th general election and earn millions and datukship goyang kaki doing nothing for the Indians. How many Malaysians are willing to let go of such benefits?

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    • 37. Helen Ang  |  July 9, 2014 at 8:25 pm

      Hindraf said they had trusted that the ruling party BN, which is synonymous with the gomen, would keep its word on an agreement signed under the glare of such open publicity.

      He had attempted to resign even earlier, actually. Nobody in the inner circle believed that Najib would deliver. So the loss of faith was not just Waytha’s personal judgment alone but a consensus.

      It was sad to see – through the intervening months – how their initial optimism and early hopes diminished. I know the sacrifices that the key figures had made and their dedication.

      BN’s failure to live up to its commitment was more than just a breach of ‘contract’. They destroyed a precious thing – trust – which was hard to obtain from a people with their back pushed to the wall.

      When Hindraf agreed to work with BN, it took a lot for their supporters (who had a strong anti-establishment bent) to mentally turn around and readjust to the new allegiance. And I’m sure you can remember the load of flak that Hindraf got from the Pakatan people over the decision.

      In that sense, Hindraf had already paid a high emotional “cost” (Waytha and his lieutenants were roundly abused by the sceptics) in banking that the arrangement would be carried through. Hence the BN reneging was a double blow. The detractors gleefully said: “Didn’t we tell you?!”

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  • 38. zizan@yahoo.com.my  |  July 9, 2014 at 7:26 pm

    A very good article to clearly show that Najib completely ignores the Indian as their votes to BN are not important while Najib has been worshipping the chinese. The moment one chinese express dissatisfaction, Najib will change the whole legal system for this man.

    Just imagine the word pendatang is more detrimental to Najib than the word celaka. I think Rayer is right by saying UMNO is celaka because UMNO under Najib is in fact celaka. We are really screwed up now with this husband of Rosmah who only thinks of how to hold on to power.

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  • 42. msamy  |  July 9, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    Modern history of Indians in Malaysia commenced with the estate industry. They were the pioneers clearing jungle tracts and many were dying daily due to malaria those days with paltry wages, and they will be census takers to count the dead each day in the estates.

    They believed in the British and the National Alliance. If not they would not have taken up the Malaysian Citizenship and would have preferred being British subjects had they known one day fanatical Malays will take over UMNO to an extent they would be kicked out of the estates, without even one cent compensation by coercion as the estates will be filled with cheap labour from outside the country.

    They were loyal employees and made the economy prospered, the owners fat and rich. Today Mahathir has wiped out all their history thru the early morning raid on British Companies in the LSE. So UMNO and British betrayed the Indians in Malaysia. Remember that the British army consisted of many Indians which wiped out the communist.

    It is saddening that when the country has taken off from its infancy, somebody by the name of Mahathir can take over and change all the policies which is geared for only one race. If British LSE can be attacked, why not the British attack Malaysian companies as these companies are fairly exposed internationally and get the loot to provide for their former employees and their offspring and slap Mahathir right on his face.

    Freeze Malaysian asset as they are discriminating all races except for their favourite including the Muslims who land the previous day in the shores of Malaysia. Hope the British with their military supremacy can come back and look at the mess Malaysia is in.

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    • 43. Chris  |  July 9, 2014 at 10:42 pm

      Addressing “msamy” and his pointed grievances . . . . by way of attending to the matter of self-delusion, unhappiness and a want of compassion.

      Conversations on Compassion with Eckhart Tolle [YouTube]

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    • 44. RINA  |  July 10, 2014 at 3:14 am

      ……They were the pioneers clearing jungle tracts and many were dying daily due to malaria those days with paltry wages, and they will be census takers to count the dead each day in the estates…..

      Pure exagerationexageration la kamu ni, isshhh please la. I was living in the deep jungles of Kinabatangan and Sukau area – jungle clearings of thousands of hectares to open up oil palms Plantations for 2 huge companies.

      Alamak kamu ni, the only exception majority labourers were Muslim Filipinos n Indons. Indians takde. Sihat2 aje kami, abundance of meat fm the jungles, fishes n prawns fm the mountain rivers. We also planted own veges and rear chickens.. Very happy la living in the jungles.. Year round community activities to keep our jungle community happy inside ther la..Have full-time own health personnels inside to attend to diseases even Malaria.. Beres la… Even the Mat Salleh those once upon their years, they are very organized la..

      Dead bodies? Karut le kamu ni.. Banyak sangat tengok cerita volleywood. Muahaha

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      • 45. RINA  |  July 10, 2014 at 3:31 am

        Typo… they were very organized too.

        What la.. First you people went all the way to sue the British gomen, no respond now wanting to sue Msian gomen or appealing to the Brits to come and wallup Malaysia? You minum apa nih?

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      • 46. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 4:01 am

        Rina,

        Just in case “msamy” does not come back to comment again, I’ll do the necessary now.

        I presume you might have been living in the Kinabatangan jungles in the 1990s. The period of jungle-clearing that msamy talks about took place almost 100 years ago during colonial times. Given the difference in time span of a century, obviously your experience of oil palm plantations with the two huge companies would have been different from that of the illiterate Indian coolies.

        Two differences are clear enough. One, you were obviously not an indentured labourer just off the boat and two, you were not there untuk dikerah buat kerja menebas hutan.

        They were brought here in huge numbers beginning 1905. According to ‘Report on Indian Labour Emigrating to Ceylon & Malaya’ (1917) by N.E. Marjoribanks and A.K.G.A.T Marakkayar, the mortality rate of the south Indian labourers during the period was as high as 195.6 per thousand in Negeri Sembilan and 109.5 in Pahang.

        That means almost two out of every 10 Indian labourer in N.Sembilan died. They were called the “economic slaves of the British” in the plantations (source: ‘Indians Overseas 1938-1949’ by C. Kondapi – published 1951, New Delhi).

        Ranjit Singh Malhi wrote:

        “According to the 1957 Federation of Malaya Census Report, much of the 1.2 million net Indian immigration to Malaya between 1860-1957 appears to have been wiped out by disease, snake bites, exhaustion and malnutrition. In the words of Michael R. Stenson, ‘… South India provided an indispensable tribute of human lives without which the European owned plantation industry in Malaya could not have been established’.” ‘

        See, http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/sideviews/article/the-indian-contribution-ranjit-singh-malhi

        The Indian labourers lived in conditions of great deprivation and exploitation (source: The Malaysian Indian Dilemma by Janakey Raman Manickam, 2009).

        They also died of malaria from their work jungle clearing, like msamy said.

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        • 47. anonymous  |  July 10, 2014 at 6:40 am

          He should thank the British then, seeing how he looks up to the British so much and hate very much that Malays would even dare to buy up their plantation company and make it Malaysian.

          I think the current Selangor MB was involved back then.
          Must make him very happy the Pakatan people are trying to oust him. now.

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          • 48. islam1st  |  July 10, 2014 at 8:59 am

            ‘He should thank the British then’

            I say the Indians in Malaysia, should be suing the British already for their sufferings, economic losses etc.

            Malays will follow suit.

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            • 49. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 9:27 am

              re: “I say the Indians in Malaysia, should be suing the British already for their sufferings, economic losses etc.”

              So you mustn’t complain lah when Waytha wanted to saman Ratu England.

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              • 50. islam1st  |  July 10, 2014 at 9:41 am

                I never did. By all means go.

                I marah sebab Hindraf showing placards asking the Queen to save them, that’s all. And what’s with that Mahatma Gandhi gambar, aren’t these people Malaysians? Letak lah gambar Onn Jaffar ke? Sejuk skit.

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                • 51. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 9:53 am

                  What to do? Mahatma Gandhi is big with the Indian diaspora. This piece of news just two days ago, ‘Gandhi statue to be erected outside UK parliament’.

                  http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/08/gandhi-statue-for-outside-parliament

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                  • 52. islam1st  |  July 10, 2014 at 10:34 am

                    ‘Mahatma Gandhi’

                    Their problem is not India’s problem. It is Malaysia’s problem. By bring in MG, and the Queen some more, would definitely isolates them further than the rest of us.

                    I take it that they are already marginalized, so the question is whether it is smart or otherwise, to further isolate themselves from the rest of the country with their acts?

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                    • 53. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 10:44 am

                      re: “Their problem is not India’s problem. It is Malaysia’s problem.”

                      Okay, kali ni biar Najib yang disaman. Inipun syor saya.

                      re: “By bring in MG, and the Queen some more, would definitely isolates them further than the rest of us.”

                      They carried the Gandhi portraits to signal that their protest was non-violent. Gandhi is the universal symbol of passive resistance. Imagine the photo/imagery playing in the international media if the FRU were to brutally manhandle a protestor draped in Gandhi.

                      As for the Queen, well, if they had carried a portrait of our YDP Agong, they’d have been accused of being biadab.

                      Probably they shouldn’t have displayed the portrait of any living leader like QEII at all but then again, perhaps they were still feudalistic and looking to a higher power/authority to deliver them from their predicament.

                      re: “I take it that they are already marginalized, so the question is whether it is smart or otherwise, to further isolate themselves from the rest of the country with their acts?”

                      Sigh. I try to advise but they are too inward-looking. I’m not sure if what I say or how much of it gets through.

                    • 54. islam1st  |  July 10, 2014 at 10:55 am

                      ‘Sigh. I try to advise but they are too inward-looking. I’m not sure if what I say or how much of it gets through.’

                      So seriously what do we do Helen? I can only think of one thing. Maybe they should engage with Kamalanathan. Not any MIC leader, but Kamalanathan.

                      Helen, what say you?

                    • 55. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 10:57 am

                      Okay, am taking on board your suggestion.

        • 56. Indian  |  July 10, 2014 at 9:33 am

          ‘Pure exagerationexageration la kamu ni, isshhh please la/You minum apa nih?’

          Looks like the tendency to live in denial of facts and history and the disposition for expedient racial stereotyping is not just limited to the dapsters.

          2 x 5. No difference la Helen.

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        • 57. RINA  |  July 10, 2014 at 10:11 am

          Virgin or secondary jungle conditions zaman mana pon sama la CikHelen. Jungles are jungles. Snakes? 100yrs ago got Anakonda ke?.. No la same species. Even today many Indons arrived fm Sulawesi by tongkangs. Recently we were stunned by news of tongkang terbalik. Same la Cik Helen.

          Malaria? Now denggi in towns lagi ganas! Dulu most cronic diseases came with them dari tanah ibunda mereka la.. very2 poor when they arrived here. Still happening even today, why then today in towns we still have isolated cases of Malaria or even kusta?

          The foreign workers who arrived and worked in plantations were given 100times better living conditions compared to their standard of living in their Tanah Ibunda. They were so scared of being kicked out of plntns and sent back to India ma.

          Haiyaa, tak usah tembak lebih2 sangat ya.. Kalo abuses pun mainly by their own people, caste system very strong with the Indians. See, they are even praying tht the Tuan Putih come and grab back and manage the plantations?

          Itu Wathya originally from which estate?

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          • 58. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 10:33 am

            re: “Jungles are jungles. Snakes? 100yrs ago got Anakonda ke?.. No la same species.”

            100 years ago, the standard of medical treatment and hygiene awareness was not as it is today despite the species of jungle snakes not evolving all that much.

            re: “very2 poor when they arrived here”

            And still poor.

            On the other hand, Umno did very well to uplift so many Malays into the middle class in such a short span of time through the NEP.

            re: “The foreign workers who arrived and worked in plantations were given 100times better living conditions compared to their standard of living in their Tanah Ibunda. They were so scared of being kicked out of plntns and sent back to India ma.”

            Don’t you have compassion then for a people who came from such a very, very, very poor standard of living? Since you say that their background is so poverty stricken, imagine the distance that they have to climb in order to get out from rock bottom.

            re: “Kalo abuses pun mainly by their own people, caste system very strong with the Indians.”

            If you’re saying that they are abused by their own people, why do you then keep insisting that they must still go back to Ananda Krishnan, Tony Fernandez and some other Indian millionaires for help?

            And if the caste system is still as strong as you say, what makes you think that Ambiga the Brahmin is the best person they should turn to under the Indian-Must-Ask-Indian (don’t beg from the Gomen) theory that you folks are so fond of propounding?

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    • 59. islam1st  |  July 10, 2014 at 8:48 am

      ‘Modern history of Indians in Malaysia commenced with the estate industry. They were the pioneers clearing jungle tracts and many were dying daily due to malaria those days with paltry wages, and they will be census takers to count the dead each day in the estates.’

      Knowing the British and their kerah MO, I wouldn’t be surprised. Can you please provide citation, so that I can read further on this. I am seriously keen.

      ‘They believed in the British and the National Alliance. If not they would not have taken up the Malaysian Citizenship and would have preferred being British subjects had they known one day fanatical Malays will take over UMNO to an extent they would be kicked out of the estates, without even one cent compensation by coercion as the estates will be filled with cheap labour from outside the country.’

      Aku nak marah kau pun ada, nak gelak pun ada, nak tendang kau pun ada, seriously! Believe in the British, tu bukan salah orang Melayu kut. Believe in the National Alliance, tu orang Melayu pun percaya dan kena con juga la kiranya! Take up Malaysian Citizenship, patutnya bersyukur la yer, jangan jadi macam belanda dapat tanah, bagi betis nak paha, sampai nak pijak kepala! Nasib baik kami bagi, kalau tidak, ingat British nak bawa hampa balik ka? ‘fanatical Malays will take over UMNO’, apa takeover the company ka? Itu hak kami sebab tanahair kami kena jajah, kami ambil balik, Indians kat Republic India pun dapat balik tanahair depa, hampa yang stranded dulu2, awat tak minta nak balik naik kapal steam daripada British, datang tak berjemput, pergi pun kami tak halang aih! Melayu pun ada kat estate, depa dapat compensation ka, yang hang nak marah sangat ni?

      ‘They were loyal employees and made the economy prospered, the owners fat and rich. Today Mahathir has wiped out all their history thru the early morning raid on British Companies in the LSE. So UMNO and British betrayed the Indians in Malaysia. Remember that the British army consisted of many Indians which wiped out the communist.

      It is saddening that when the country has taken off from its infancy, somebody by the name of Mahathir can take over and change all the policies which is geared for only one race. If British LSE can be attacked, why not the British attack Malaysian companies as these companies are fairly exposed internationally and get the loot to provide for their former employees and their offspring and slap Mahathir right on his face.

      Freeze Malaysian asset as they are discriminating all races except for their favourite including the Muslims who land the previous day in the shores of Malaysia. Hope the British with their military supremacy can come back and look at the mess Malaysia is in.’

      Aku tak tahu hang indian, ka tak, mungkin indian and india-india kat sini boleh jawab, sebab hang dah mula bunyi macam red beanie dengan teori Mamak Kutty JAHAT hampa! Aku dah malas nak layan Dapster macam hang!

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  • 60. Abu Zarim Hashim  |  July 9, 2014 at 10:28 pm

    Najib is not a Prime Minister material. He is a typical kampung type politician who doesn’t know what comes out of the mouth. At the same time makes empty promises, afraid of losing popularity, bribe the dissenters so much so that he could not make constructive decisions.

    The faster he quit the Prime Minister’s post, the better for the rakyat and country..

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  • 63. forrestcat  |  July 9, 2014 at 10:54 pm

    I have to agree that Najib dont deserve the votes of the Indian poor.

    For a momemnt I believed the MoU represents that hati lembut of the UMNO Malay core.. well… that shriveleled..j ust like the compassion of UMNO shrivelled away along with Ku Nan arrogance.

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  • 65. IT Shiess  |  July 10, 2014 at 2:52 am

    Helen,

    Well done. This is one of your best articles which deals with a genuine predicament of fellow Malaysians.

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  • 66. hassan  |  July 10, 2014 at 3:17 am

    Helen you bawa personality untuk berbicara dalam hal Hindraf tetapi you terlupa meyangkal DSAI yang menyebut hal status anak India anak dia anak Cina anak dia anak-anak lain pun anak dia juga manakala DS Najib dengan metos satu Malaysia bezanya nya mana satu yang geliga otaknya cuba teka pembaca tersangatlah teruja nak tahu siapa dan kenapa

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  • 67. kuman  |  July 10, 2014 at 7:56 am

    One Malayisa PM have his flaws. Looking at ‘Indian’ issue, Goverment of the ‘past ‘ have given many oppurtinities to Indian and we have one of the richest in the world and you know who and many more plus prominant and famous Lawyers who they all benefits from goverment policies. What have they done to their own community including Ambiga Ambigiouty beside ‘woofing’ and ‘barking’.

    Al least MIC Vanto Accademy one time help lot of Indians. Wathya is an oppurtinist just like Ambiga. Go bark at Indian Billionaires. Remember they benifit from the goverment ‘buisiness’ policies. Nevertheless, regardless of ‘RACE’ all those who are in proverty should be given a ‘TONGKAT’ by the goevrment of the day be it PR or BN state goverment and at Federal level also. No BRIM but ‘OPPURTINITY’ and ‘HOPE’.

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    • 68. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 8:08 am

      re: “Go bark at Indian Billionaires.”

      How many are there and who do you suggest Waytha should go bark at?

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      • 69. islam1st  |  July 10, 2014 at 8:56 am

        Well obviously he can start with Ananda Krishnan, and let us know what happen?!

        Next in line is Tony-The Apprentice Asia-Fernandez. See whether they will dance to Waytha’s way or the highway?

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        • 70. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 9:33 am

          Fernandez is Christian lah.

          Remember the Mr Hannah formula: “No Indians, all Malaysians.” The Yeohs, husband and wife, kicked up a fuss refusing to fill in their child’s Keturunan but we perfectly happy to specify Agama that the kid is Kristian.

          So sama-sama Kristian is one group in solidarity who are apart from the other groups Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, etc.

          However since there is no such thing as the Indian group, then we’re all “Anak Malaysia” in one big, (non)racial basket.

          The Good Shepherd Sisters will have better luck with Tan Sri Tony than the former rubber tappers.

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  • 71. C72  |  July 10, 2014 at 9:53 am

    From my observation, rich and middle class Indians in general seem to have given up on their poor cousins.

    Even my neighbour who goes all out to help his poorer relatives is at his breaking point. How much money and time can you keep giving when the other party doesn’t make the effort to change or improve? It’s always one drama after another.

    And the rich ones, my goodness, they spend more time showing off and looking down amongst themselves than they do thinking about the welfare of their own people.

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    • 72. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 10:05 am

      re: “is at his breaking point”

      Uthaya told me that every Indian (I’m presuming he means those belonging to the Hindraf constituency) would have a relative or friend who had committed suicide.

      It’s an anecdotal detail no doubt but we used to read in the news about estate Indians that kill themselves drinking paraquat. Even among the urban squatters who have moved out of the plantations.

      A case not too long ago, Seetha. She committed suicide with weedkiller after her brother died at the hands of the police. I wouldn’t be surprised if some widows whose husbands were victims of custodial deaths did the same.

      Malays and Chinese don’t tend to kill ourselves as much and not through drinking weedkiller either since we’re not working in the estates and having bottles of potent poison around.

      If we read the literature (studies of plantation life), there seems to be a kind of despair that grips them. The fatalism of their insular culture/ethos in that kind of closed environment is no help.

      One of the cases brought to my attention when I was interviewing applicants for financial aid was an Indian student who suffered what could be called “culture shock” upon moving to [private] college after coming from that background.

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      • 73. islam1st  |  July 10, 2014 at 10:40 am

        ‘would have a relative or friend who had committed suicide.’

        I take it that this is a fact. I would blame it on the Kollywood movies. I mean, I do enjoy good Tamil films, but just how many time, heroes like Dhanush (I like the man, his acting is superbs to say the least) have to commit suicide to make a point?

        I kept telling my Tamil speaking Mamak kawans that, and they would laugh with me. Seriously.

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        • 74. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 10:51 am

          re: “I take it that this is a fact.”

          It’s Uthaya relating what he observes in his environment.

          re: “but just how many time, heroes … have to commit suicide to make a point?”

          Ya lor. Even Waytha was doing that “bertekad puasa sampai mati” to pressure the politicians on both sides. Hati Najib lebih lembut berbanding Anwar. The BN chairman succumbed.

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          • 75. islam1st  |  July 10, 2014 at 11:09 am

            ‘Hati Najib lebih lembut’

            Helen, what you stand on Najib now? Malaysians from both divides seems not happy with him.

            A)Malaysia needs decisive leadership, Ambiga tells Pakatan, Barisan – See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/malaysia-needs-decisive-leadership-ambiga-tells-pakatan-barisan#sthash.K8rtYDZE.dpuf

            B)Malaysia needs firm leadership to plug gloomy outlook, says DAP rep – See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/malaysia-needs-firm-leadership-to-plug-gloomy-outlook-says-dap-rep#sthash.JjoVbYz0.dpuf

            C)PM, Tolong Berhenti Memberi Dedak Kepada Golongan Liberal dan Pelampau Negara

            http://www.bangkit.info/2014/07/pm-tolong-berhenti-memberi-dedak-kepada.html

            D)Melayu Protes Najib Facebook page.

            https://www.facebook.com/pages/Melayu-Protes-Najib/655946814483835?ref_type=bookmark

            As Salleh Said Keruak commented:

            ‘Nothing happens in Malaysia without fingers being pointed to Najib as the cause of this problem. When Najib keeps quiet he is accused of no action and of not doing his job. When he says something he is accused of political interfering. Nothing Najib does is the correct action.’

            http://www.malaysia-today.net/najib-needs-to-watch-his-back/

            You seems to sokong Najib but now you are calling the Hindraf to sue the man, have your pendirian shifted these past months/year?

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            • 76. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 11:42 am

              As a Chinese, I see Ah Jib Gor as our community’s best bet. Can’t imagine should Zahid Hamidi become PM.

              Personality-wise, methinks he is nice guy with good intentions. I’m convinced he’s a moderate and I even suspect he’s a liberal. It’s hard really for anyone (except the Dapsters) to dislike the man. He’s so bersopan santun dan berbudi bahasa.

              As to stature, who else can match Najib? Can you imagine any of the others (except maybe KuLi) on the international stage? And the PM is looking into the economy, which is not something that Anwar or Hadi Awang are able to do.

              However, TalentCorp is nothing short of a fiasco and a con. TalentCorp has 8 people in their senior management team and more than 100 other staff on their payroll. See, http://www.talentcorp.com.my/about-us/staff-directory/

              Hindraf needed case workers and people to go to the estates, the urban squatter areas etc (necessarily Tamil speakers) and all Najib gave Waytha was two staff. Waytha told the reporters this in one of his press conferences following his resignation.

              On a broader principle, Najib membela orang yang sudah hidup mewah. He’s neglecting the people who really need help.

              With the ‘Soup Kitchens for the homeless’ story in the news, and discovering how TalentCorp is really doing Cuti-Cuti gallivanting around the Western capitals and cities, the contrast is just too stark.

              Being a silver spooner, Najib has no idea bagaimana orang hidup susah. If you read Dr M’s biographies (e.g. he sold pisang goreng in the market during the Japanese occupation), you realise that Tun memang kenal duka lara rakyat marhaen. He still is in touch with the ground.

              DS Najib, most unfortunately, is not. That’s why the Hindraf Blueprint was not on his radar. I’ll say it again: Hindraf should sue.

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              • 77. anonymous  |  July 10, 2014 at 12:01 pm

                Well recent news have him seeing and meeting the homeless, maybe he would learn something.

                At least no crying stunt like Lim Guan Eng, though it’s possible Lim Guan Eng made Najib follow suit to see the homeless.

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                • 78. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 12:10 pm

                  MCA’s Michael Chong is famous for running his Help bureau.

                  In the short time that Hindraf was in Putrajaya, hundreds of cases and appeals of all kinds landed in Waytha’s office.

                  What was Najib thinking to give Waytha only two staff of his own (i.e. Tamil speakers who are not part of the bureuacracy) when TalentCorp can have more than 100 staff in addition to their senior management team?

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                  • 79. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 12:11 pm

                    Oh ya, and not forgetting TalentCorp’s RM80 million budget for 2014 whereas for the Deputy Minister in the PMO, zilch.

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                  • 80. Survivor  |  July 10, 2014 at 12:18 pm

                    And you know what ? The DAP’s Chinese supporters say Michael Chong is useless. Yet when they have no one to turn to, they seek his help. What are these people ?

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              • 81. islam1st  |  July 10, 2014 at 12:28 pm

                ‘I even suspect he’s a liberal’

                That the narrative Muslim NGOs are having now. Up to him to change that. I bet he won’t till his demise, career that is.

                ‘Can you imagine any of the others (except maybe KuLi) on the international stage?’

                Muhyiddin Yasin is fine. I have no problem with Zahid either. I want a stern and no nonsense PM. Pussycat lover, I tak suka. Evangelistas extremism are getting way out of hand.

                ‘Being a silver spooner, Najib has no idea bagaimana orang hidup susah.’

                Do you think his turun padang act was a stunt?

                ‘Najib visits city’s homeless, announces establishment of shelter within six months’

                http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/07/10/Najib-visits-homeless/

                ‘Hindraf should sue.’

                By all means, please do.

                Do you think the Malays should do the same, too? You know being protected by FC and laws and still being left out, time and again, same old story?

                Perkasa was on point when they threatened to sue with regards to policies or acts that seems to marginalize the Malays. Enough of talks, don’t you think?

                ‘Dr Mahathir added that the new developments resulted in additional electoral constituencies, with the foreigners forming the majority of voters even when combined with other constituencies.

                “Nowadays, it is racist to mention the Malays. It is fine if there is not a single Malay citizen, as long the voters are Malaysians.”

                http://www.malaysia-today.net/dr-m-malays-being-left-behind-in-johors-modernisation/

                Liking it to the extent of ‘ayam dikepok mati kelaparan dan itik di air mati kehausan,’

                http://www.malaysia-today.net/mahathir-transformasi-johor-jadi-tarikan-dan-lebih-mengagumkan-dari-new-york/

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                • 82. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2014 at 12:35 pm

                  re: “Do you think his turun padang act was a stunt?”

                  I bersangka baik.

                  After all, he was willing to parley with Hindraf. He’s sympathetic at heart. He even let the MIC Indians put that Godzilla-size garland around his neck.

                  My beef is that he’s too noblesse oblige / bangsawan to be able to counter the evangelista attacks. And too many Dapster Khairy’s surrounding him.

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              • 83. IT Shiess  |  July 10, 2014 at 8:05 pm

                I agree that Najib is the best of a lousy bunch since others besides Ku Li would be worse than him. That said, he has some good points but seems to be bumbling along too.

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    • 84. Mulan of Malaysia  |  March 27, 2015 at 12:03 pm

      “From my observation, rich and middle class Indians in general seem to have given up on their poor cousins. ”

      I know of Sikh in Penang who say they are not Indians but Punjabi. Give up on their poor cousins, more like write them off.

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  • 85. ED  |  March 27, 2015 at 8:46 am

    Ms H. The Prime Minister in the Star in 2009 promised to review the Bankruptcy Act 1967. He did nothing since then. Singapore, Hong Kong, Australia and the United Kingdom automatically discharge their bankrupts after 3 years. In Malaysia, the bankrupts are incarcerated in PERPETUITY. Why is our beloved Malaysia so backward as compared to others ?

    Also, the following Laws not revised for decades unlike Singapore which courts could revise the Laws on the spot.

    1. The Companies Act 1965. Not revised. 50 years.
    2. The Trustees Act 1949. Not revised. 66 years.

    The practice of the Laws is a living thing. Every case is different. Unlike the practice of Medicine where common ailments occur commonly.

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    • 86. Jade Emperor  |  March 27, 2015 at 11:37 pm

      The Prime Minister is determined to act on the Sedition Act when his house is far from being in order, just like a householder who is not cognizant of his priorities and cannot organize things in their proper places.

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      • 87. ED  |  March 29, 2015 at 12:53 am

        Jade Emperor, Sir. The finest trappings in the land are monopolised by the elected politicians elected by the Rakyat who expect the promises of politicians to be honoured. This is democracy as we know it around the World. These days we are not kids anymore but mature adults who are polite in speech and courteous in a demeanour.

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