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Is DAP pushing for equal status between Christianity and Islam?

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“Rata-rata orang bukan Islam di Malaysia tidak senang dengan kedudukan agama Islam sebagai agama Persekutuan,” said former Chief Justice Tun Abdul Hamid Mohamad.

“Mereka mahu agama-agama mereka juga diberi kedudukan yang sama,” Tun Hamid said in a speech when he buka puasa with Perkasa last week.

Who are the non-Muslims alleged by Tun Hamid that want their religion to be given the same status as Islam?

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Surely not the Hindus and Buddhists

Tun Hamid cannot possibly mean the Hindus who make up a mere 6.3 percent of the population. Hindus, in Malaysia comprising mostly the Tamils, are generally not rich people and hence not powerful.

The Taoists are even a smaller population segment (1.3 percent) while the Sikhs are negligible in number.

Now if the Buddhists had wanted equal status for Buddhism, they would have made their demand earlier in our history when MCA was strong and influential. They did not.

Does Tun Hamid mean the Christians then?

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Trickery to Christianize the Malays

In his 17 June 2014 speech, Tun Hamid said:

“Saya juga hairan mengapa ada golongan yang dipanggil ‘ulama’ dan ilmuan Islam tidak nampak muslihat gereja Roman Katholik yang hendak memakai kalimah ‘Allah’ dalam bible Bahasa Melayu dan upacara gereja dalam Bahasa Melayu selepas 500 tahun kecewa mengkristiankan orang Melayu secara besar-besaran.”

Speaking about the group who are dissatisfied with the status of Islam as sole Religion of the Federation, Tun Hamid said:

“Mereka juga tidak puas hati dengan peruntukan Perlembagaan yang tidak membenarkan orang bukan Islam menyebarkan agama mereka kepada orang Islam. Selain dari itu, mereka pergi ke merata dunia untuk memburukkan Islam kerana Islam tidak membenarkan penganutnya murtad …”

In this regard, Tun Hamid is most definitely referring to the Christians.

“Let your kingdom come; Rise up and take Subang for Jesus!”

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Church: Christians granted rights of leadership

The Christian Federation of Malaysia (CFM) had in the run-up to GE13 urged voters to elect a federal government which would relax the law so that the Church may carry out missionary activities without any restrictions.

The Church had circulated to their flock a letter dated 18 July 2012, signed by the then CFM president Bishop Ng Moon Hing, which said, “Christians have not only been granted rights of leadership but also the responsibility of stewardship (of the Earth)”.

CFM’s “vision for a better Malaysia” requires Christians to prioritize a nation that rejects extremism and curtails racial and religious bigotry.

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Bishop Ng Moon Hing

Unchecked freedom to proselytize

Bishop Ng’s CFM letter also said churches have a responsibility to guide their congregations to vote a government that is able to deliver a “nation where religious freedom to profess, practice and propagate one’s religion is allowed to flourish without undue curtailment from the law, restrictions or even prohibition.

  • The Christians want the freedom to berdakwah to all.
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  • They object to being restricted and prohibited from spreading Christianity.
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  • Their demand for equality rejects the laws that block Christians from freely propagating their faith.

Buddhists do not proselytize to Malays. Hindus do not proselytize to Malays. Sikhs do not proselytize to Malays. You already know only which group alone does.

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Puan Speaker Biawak masquerading her muslimah look

DAP has become a Christian-agenda party

Buddhists, Hindus and Sikhs do not put on a tudung or songkok and kain sampin to go occupy the mosques.

It is the evangelistas who do.

The Quran does not call Hindus “munafik”. The Quran does not call Buddhists “munafik”. The Quran does not call Taoists and Sikhs “munafik”.

Race problems have been with us for decades but religious strife is a relatively new development in our country. Religious conflict surfaced only following the coming to power of the DAP a few short years ago.

DAP is a party dominated by the Christian evangelists.

At a Penang Indian NGO building launch attended by the DAP Deputy Chief Minister recently, prayers were recited by the imam of the state mosque as well as by Christian and Hindu priests.

Angry Chinese Merdeka Center

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Who are the angriest people in Malaysia?

Answer: Look at the tall red bars in the histogram above.

The ‘Angry People’ chart is based on a Merdeka Center survey of public opinion taken in mid-March 2014.

Tun Hamid asks rhetorically, “Haramkah berkata ‘Saya Melayu’?”

Again the answer is yes. Say you’re a Malay, and the DAP will mock and vilify you like they do Muhyiddin Yassin. The party’s angry mob too will lynch you as a “racist”.

Just yesterday Lim Guan Eng called Tun Hamid “a liar, racist and extremist”.

Lliar racist and extremist
http://news.malaysia.msn.com/tmi/ex-chief-justice-a-liar-racist-and-extremist-says-guan-eng

Perjanjian Persekutuan Tanah Melayu

Tun Hamid has been accused of dividing Malaysians.

Anybody not aligned to the DAP’s Bangsa Malaysia way of thinking is branded as being “divisive”, “anti-national unity” and made a victim of their slander and smear campaign.

Tun Hamid stresses on the Tanah Melayu (Land of the Malays) nature of Malaysia.

The Persekutuan Tanah Melayu agreement signed in 1948 had “won back recognition from the British Government that Malaya was basically ‘the country of the Malays‘,” wrote historian Dr Cheah Boon Kheng.

The number of Malays who want to turn back the clock are increasing by the day.

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Malaysia: The Making of a Nation by Cheah Boon Kheng. p.3

AnakMalaysia

They want to grab everything!

They insist that Malaysia is a secular state.

But at the same time, they want to steal lafaz ‘Allah’.

They are hijacking Negaraku too.

What will they do to the country? They will UBAH what is not to their liking and reshape Malaysia in their own image. Like how they’ve done Bangsa Malaysia.

A commenter in my blog pointed out the J-Star article (see below) where the Anak Malaysia quoted are Chandran Raman Kutty, Mala Richards, Shalene Kuek, Jackie Mk Lau, Vijaya Raghavan Nair, Danny Ting, Gurcharan Singh, Lim Pei Yiing and Andrew Chung Kwong Ching … but no Ali, Ahmad or Aminah.

Leaving their comments in the J-Star Facebook are Glassy Mulder Bhandal, Ariana Urike, Mer So and Sasun Vartanyan … but no Zainal or Zubaidah.

Takkan Melayu hilang di dunia tetapi Melayu tiada dah di Jerusubang.

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http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/07/20/mh17-separatist-leader-gets-tougue-lashing-from-malaysians/
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/07/20/mh17-separatist-leader-gets-tougue-lashing-from-malaysians/

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85 thoughts on “Is DAP pushing for equal status between Christianity and Islam?

  1. Paul of Tarsus is the father of Christianity. The blood and flesh sacrifice of the cult of Jesus to atone for all sinful humanity do not belong to the teachings of Yahshua of Nazareth, the Messiah of the One True Lord on High.

      1. Yes, the ritual has ancient roots in Europe, sacrifice of the Summer King for a good harvest and survival through winter etc… The priests conflated many pagan beliefs into Christianity to make it easier to convert the peasants.

    1. Paul’s preaching to the Gentiles opposed the teachings of Jesus the Messiah, and he incorporated elements of the cult of Mithra [YouTube]

      Paul was supposedly born and raised in the city of Tarsus, a region in SE Asia-Minor (present-day Turkey) where the deity Mithras was well known. Biblical scholars are now saying that Paul, the alleged author of 13 out of the 27 (maybe more) books of the New Testament, was influenced in his writings by this pervasive religion of Mithraism. We can see a profound kinship between Mithraism and Christianity.

      Mithra has the following in common with the Paulinian Jesus character:

      – Mithra was born of the virgin Anahita on December 25th.
      – He was considered a great traveling teacher and master.
      – He had 12 companions or “disciples.”
      – He performed miracles.
      – As the “great bull of the Sun,” Mithra sacrificed himself for world peace.
      – His sacred day was Sunday, “the Lord’s Day,” hundreds of – years before the appearance of Christ.
      – Mithra “sets his marks on the foreheads of his soldiers.”

      The original “Christian” faith eventually became a mix of pagan, Mithraic, and Judaeo Christian teaching. This led to the confusing mix of theology that we have today within the “Christian” community. This “apostasy” from the original simple and plain teachings of Christ was accelerated by the persecutions and killings of any who tried to support the “old” ways. Maybe this solves the mystery of the “ungodly” marriage between Mithraism and the cult of Jesus. As it turns out, it was all for political convenience! But, Christians think they are better than that today. In short: The “Christianity” they have today has almost no relationship, in doctrine or in way of life, to the “the original teachings of Jesus.”

      http://jdstone.org/cr/files/mithraschristianity.html

      1. re: “accelerated by the persecutions and killings of any who …”

        … did not conform to their dictates.

        Why am I not surprised that Pauline Christianity was forged through the PERSECUTIONS AND KILLINGS of those who dissented against his teaching?

  2. If Dapsters led by Lim family want equal status for Christianity, I suggest that they go to the Southern Indian Ocean where we are searching for MH370. There, LGE & Co can make Christianity as the official region provided that the jinns who live there do not reject it. In Malaysia, the official religion is Islam and this is very clear.

    At Southern Indian Ocean, you will not meet Malay people and Islam that you despise a lot.You LGE are welcome to bring as many as possible of your supporters with you. And don’t forget to bring the Malay Dapsters as well as we do not need them here in Malaysia.

    We are happy enough to raise fund for the transportation costs if you wish.

    1. re: “In Malaysia, the official religion is Islam and this is very clear.”

      In the run-up to Merdeka, the Chinese fought for Chinese to be made one of the official languages of Malaya alongside BM. But the demand was not met.

      For them, it is equality, both BM and Chinese would be official languages. Having Chinese as official language does not take away from BM’s position as official language.

      It looks like in Tun Hamid’s view, having the Christian priest officiate at the building launch alongside the imam takes away from Islam’s position of paramountcy. Lim Guan Eng argues that sama-sama and kongsi is better, and there is no harm in all (Islam, Christianity, Hinduism) all equally sharing the stage that day.

      1. re: ……………… having the Christian priest officiate at the building launch

        Is that a public event or private event?

        If that is a private event with government officials as attendees or VIPs, is it wrong to have the Christian priest officiate at the building launch alongside the imam?

        1. It was the foundation-laying ceremony of the Penang Indian Association building.

          I believe it should be regarded as an official function because the state government would have given a grant to the association for its building as well as the state imam was present to baca doa.

          If it was not official, I doubt that the imam would have attended the Indian function.

          1. Cannot find a benchmark on what is official or private function. But I think the premise ownership, organiser profile and attendees profle would be relevant. From what I know, the building is owned by Penang Indian Association which is not a government body.

            Receiving state grant or having a state imam to recite doa do not render it as an ‘official premise’ or ‘official function’. Simalarly, having state or federal VIPs to grace the event will not make it an ‘official function’ either.

            Have you not seen state imam reciting prayers in private function?

            1. re: “Have you not seen state imam reciting prayers in private function?”

              Can you point out to us please?

              1. I’ve heard of state mufti, never state imam. Perhaps its imam of the state mosque. Or one of them, as the state mosque will likely have a few imams. And its not uncommon to have them at private, even personal, functions.

                1. My apology for the shortcut (and consequently incorrect) phrasing.

                  Imam of the state mosque, it is.

                1. The Yang di-Pertuan Besar and Menteri Besar of Negeri Sembilan were both the VVIP guests. The mufti baca doa for his state sovereign, not for the boss of the private company.

                  1. I am trying to point out that mufti attends functions organised by private companies. His role is not limited to attending functions organised by government .

                    I am quite sure the doa recital includes the blessing of the attendees, the event and the company.

                    1. Would he have attended if the Yamtuan Besar and the MB were not there?

                      It’s not as if any private company can simply invite the “imam of the state mosque” to recite a doa to ‘bless’ their business.

            2. My personal view as a Muslim. I cannot place other religions at par with Islam. Islam should always be THE one, no other and non-comparable, not even any of the Abrahamic religions.

              I do believe that if the Imam had known that his recital of the doa would be put on par with another religious ceremony, he would have declined, regardless if this was an official or private ceremony.

              There are other ways to show respect for another religion, but not by demeaning your own religion. And I do believe that this is where the traditional amongst us depart from the Muslim liberals.

              1. re: I do believe that if the Imam had known that his recital of the doa would be put on par with another religious ceremony ………….

                The imam recital of doa is to be appreciated by Muslim attendees. For the prayers of non-Islamic religion, it should be appreciated by their respective believers.

                The attendees are multi-religious. Does it mean that if other religions had their respective prayers recited, then no Muslim shall recite doa there?

                1. ‘Does it mean that if other religions had their respective prayers recited, then no Muslim shall recite doa there?’

                  Say a prayer to Allah SWT and then commits syirik in His name?

              2. It is a fact that at national functions and events in Indonesia’s socio-political milieu, representatives of the various faiths do come forward to recite prayers from their own traditions respectively. There – unlike in Malaysia – the state is obligated by their Pancasila affirmations to treat every religion on a par with another religion.

                It is also a well-known fact that the Muslim imam at Indonesia’s national functions never reads the Quranic Surah Al-Ikhlas (the Chapter of Sincerity) in order to preserve the harmony with the Hindus and Christians, for whom deity(ies) issue from from other deity (ies). Surah Al-Ikhlas spells out the fact that Allah is One, Unique and Absolute; neither an offspring born nor parenting an offspring; that there is nothing at all like unto the Essence of Allah, the Lord of creation, Most Sublime and Merciful.

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                PANCASILA (pronounced [pantʃaˈsila]) is “the official philosophical foundation” of the Indonesian state. Pancasila consists of two Old Javanese words (originally from Sanskrit), “pañca” meaning five, and “sīla” meaning principles. It comprises five principles held to be inseparable and interrelated:

                (1) Belief in the divinity of God, (in Indonesian, Ketuhanan Yang Maha Esa).
                (2) Just and civilized humanity, (in Indonesian, Kemanusiaan Yang Adil dan Beradab).
                (3) The unity of Indonesia, (in Indonesian, Persatuan Indonesia).
                (4) Democracy guided by the inner wisdom in the unanimity arising out of deliberations amongst representatives (in Indonesian, Kerakyatan Yang Dipimpin oleh Hikmat Kebijaksanaan, Dalam Permusyawaratan dan Perwakilan)
                (5) Social justice for all of the people of Indonesia (in Indonesian, Keadilan Sosial bagi seluruh Rakyat Indonesia)

      2. ‘ Lim Guan Eng argues that sama-sama and kongsi is better’

        LGE was testing the water trying to put forward pluralism into the Muslims psyche!

        Islam is the Religion of the Federation. Direct challenge to the position of Islam is a mutiny against the YDP!

  3. granted rights of leadership but also the responsibility of stewardship (of the Earth)” and on (MAR’s).

    Christian are good people when they pray in Church it likes a ‘MAD-DONA’ Concert that why there’s no problem and ‘Bee Happy’ like a stinging bee. That what made them ‘good’. I feel good ya ya yaya.. I feeeeelllllllll gooddddd ya yaya ”’com’on ebebody I feeeeeeellll gooooooodddddd ye ya ye !

  4. Helen, I can only feel pity for Malaysia in general and humanity as a whole that even in this holy month of Ramadan, you deem it fit to come out with so many articles to incite hatred between Malay and Chinese, Muslims and Christians and Malaysians as a whole.

    If you think you are doing Malays and Muslims a service, please think again. Do you realise not that your article(s) will provoke heated revokes amongst readers and counter revokes and entice Muslims to break their allegiance to the teachings of Allah during this holy month.

    All the while, I thought that you were just immersed in your need to release your anger at the DAP and/or Christians for whatever injustice that you thought they did to you but I am starting to think I might be wrong and what Che Sapiena wrote in his/her article and open letter letters to you are starting to make sense to me ( I chanced upon the letters just two days ago while searching for your reply to my previous entry in one of your blogs ).

    To all the readers out there who are riled and tempted to reply in a tit-for-tat which will cause Muslims to break their allegiance to Allah, I beg and implore you to stop what you are about to do. If you are Muslim, please do not allow this article and whatever retort it incited to break your allegiance to Allah. If you are non Muslim, please have some compassion for yourself and mankind; allow Muslims to to observe their allegiance to Allah in peace.

    To Helen, I hope you can spend some time to observe “puasa” and/or “buka puasa” with your Muslim readers to experience their commitment in their allegiance to Allah. Further, please do visit the homes of your Malay and Muslim readers during this coming Hari Raya to see for yourself the true meaning of their faith in Islam.

      1. Helen, I do not want to waste my time thinking about what these people can do and what their motives are for doing what they did. The truth will surface one day if what they did is wrong, they shall pay for any sins they commit.

        Malays and Muslims themselves need to study and understand the Quran well so that they achieve enough wisdom to realise for themselves between the right and the wrong. Only then will they not be misused and misguided by undesirable elements bent on driving a wedge between the very fragile bond that still holds our once beautiful nation together.

        Let me quote from a story about the late Ven. Dr. K. Sri Dhammananda who once said to a Muslim who wanted to change his religion. “You should pursue your current religious teachings, and then you would be a good Buddhist, it is not necessary for you to change your religion”.

        On the other hand, disaster can also come from listening to and believing people of the same religion who preached for their own greed and not in accordance with the Quran. There are even more who quoted freely from the Quran but have no qualms lying about the truth and misusing the Malay’s trust to enrich themselves and their cronies, at the same time deflecting the blame onto others.

        “Jika anda tahan lelahnya berlajar, maka anda akan rasa peritnya kebodohan”.

        1. re: “Malays and Muslims themselves need to study and understand the Quran well”

          Ok, gottit.

          You’re saying that at present the Malays and Muslims have not studied the Quran well enough and they need to learn to understand it better.

          And that’s why you Christians who have studied and understood the Quran much more are taking it upon yourselves to teach our Malay neighbours Islam.

          1. Helen, either I am such a lousy writer that you cannot understand my simple rhetoric or I sense a tinge of the master “Putar-belit” at work here.

            “Jika anda tahan lelahnya berlajar, maka anda akan rasa peritnya kebodohan”.

            1. re: “simple rhetoric”?

              Obviously not addressed to me since you’re lecturing about Islam.

              re: “a tinge of the master ‘Putar-belit’ at work here”

              You mean those evangelistas who put on tudung, # bersahur and say “Insya Allah”.

        2. and you need to study your bible better for you to discover there’s so much pornography and contradiction in it. got it?

          man, I got so insulted when someone’s not on my faith preach me about the need to understand quran.

          if Helen can catch it why cant you casey?

          1. re: “if Helen can catch it why cant you casey?”

            Helen writes in BM, reads in BM and speaks BM. This broadens her perspective.

            Helen does not hate Umno and is not consumed by ABU.

            Helen’s Malay friends are frank and honest with her. She listens to their views with an open mind.

        3. ‘Malays and Muslims themselves need to study and understand the Quran well so that they achieve enough wisdom to realise for themselves between the right and the wrong.’

          Are you a Muslim to begin with? And if you are a, and a practicing one, have you even done that to impart you dua sen tots, Casey?

  5. I don’t think they are asking Christianity to be equal to Islam….But demanding Christianity to be placed ABOVE Islam, to be the official religion of Selangor – Ketuanan Kristian.

    With Wan Azizah as the puppet MB and Azmin busy plundering the state and Khalid licking his wounds and the rest of PKR in a state of civil war, DAP will reign supreme and being the most senior Dapster in the state, she will be the defacto President.

    Expect Selangor Darul Ehsan to be renamed as Selangor Darul Kristus.

    1. ‘But demanding Christianity to be placed ABOVE Islam, to be the official religion of Selangor – Ketuanan Kristian.’

      It must be it!

  6. Casey, u seem to know so much about ISLAM and our alleegiance to Allah so why dont u convert. I think Helen knows and understand Islam and Muslims much better then u.

    She is just exposing what u people are doing so please lah dont come and bullshit here

    1. My apologies to Allah if what I wrote prompted you to break your allegiance and elicit this response during this holy month of Ramadan. Rest my case.

      1. Battles fought during Ramadan by the Prophet of Islam. 624AD – Battle of Badr, 627AD – The Battle of the Trench and
        630AD – Battle of Tabouk.

      2. Casey, you must know that those who are guided by Allah sees with their heart and not only with their eyes.

        Truth will always prevail.

      3. ‘My apologies to Allah if what I wrote prompted you to break your allegiance and elicit this response during this holy month of Ramadan.’

        Wow, just listen to that?! Dah sunat ke Casey?

  7. God, Allah, Tuhan, Lord, Tua Pek Kong, Buddha, Ganesh, Siva etc don’t need mortal human beings like ex-CJ, PERKASA, ISMA, JMM, Bishops, Priests, Evengelists, NGOs, Govt etc to protect it’s flocks from all these religious or racists champions.

    Religion once regulated by laws make a mockery of God etc. It’s supposed to be a faith or believe or personal convictions between a human being and his/her God etc.

    Beware of God’s etc wrath upon those who elected themselves as champions. Do not think the mortal human beings can escape such fate. If you don’t believe and think things happen because of coincidence even though it happens many times to open your eyes either to you, your family, your community, your race , your religion, your country etc, then…………..

    Why do you believe in God, Allah, Lord etc in the first place?

    Go live a good life with compassion, decency and humanity for others and the world is a much better place for mortal human beings.

    1. re: “Beware of God’s etc wrath upon those who elected themselves as champions.”

      You may have something there. Why is HY unable to control her weight, ageing so rapidly and getting all those spots on her face?

        1. “I under a lot of pressure you know! I got chewren, I got big job, i have to iftar every day, why you fat – shaming meee?”

      1. Why is HY unable to control her weight, ageing so rapidly and getting all those spots on her face?

        But. Kulit biawak never smooth punya. 1 juta botol Nivea pun tak boleh baik.

    1. re: “Maybe it is time for non-Muslims to leave Malaysia?”

      Critically and objectively, what do you think?

        1. re: “the impending ethnic/civil conflict”

          Do you really believe there will be one?

          The opposition side is adamant that any talk of impending conflict is just Umno right wingers scaremongering the rakyat.

          1. I read the comments on cyberspace, and do believe that many Muslims believe that they are under threat, and prepared to fight to defend their rights.

            As for non-Muslims, they do not benefit if there is a fight, as they will surely be crushed.

            So, maybe one way is to leave Malaysia.

            1. re: “many Muslims believe that they are under threat, and prepared to fight to defend their rights”

              That’s the way that the DAP makes them feel. The older Malays have such a deep-seated phobia of LKS that till today (year 2014), they still can’t shake it off.

              The more the DAP pull their harmony stunts, the more the Malays recoil. But those shoving Anak Malaysia in our faces have no capacity to realise this.

              DAP needs to deccelerate, not go on a rampage demonizing their opponents and critics. But from the look of things, there is no way that the DAP can or are willing to do that. So they rachet the tempo up and up, until such a point that the majority will ask: How much more can we take?

              It is at this point that anti-Malayan Union 2.0 will erupt, and if the first version pulled together the Malay groups, Mark Two will pull together the Muslim groups among whom there will be the battle-hardened jihadists returning from Syria.

              re: “As for non-Muslims, they do not benefit if there is a fight, as they will surely be crushed.”

              Tahu pun.

              1. This is why I think it maybe sensible for the Malaysian government to assist people who want to leave Malaysia, to leave.

                “…Imagine if a fundamentalist Christian sect captured the French city of Lyon and began a systematic purge of Muslims. Their mosques were destroyed, their crescents defaced, the Koran burned and then all Muslims forced to flee or face execution. Such an event would be unthinkable today, and if it did occur Pope Francis and all other Christian leaders would denounce it and support efforts by governments to stop it.

                Yet that is essentially what is happening in reverse now in Mosul, as the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham drives all signs of Christianity from the ancient city. Christians have lived in Mosul for nearly 2,000 years, but today they are reliving the Muslim religious wars of the Middle Ages. ..

                Really, no point fighting with the Muslims.

                http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-christian-purge-from-mosul-1405984542

                1. ‘Yet that is essentially what is happening in reverse now in Mosul, as the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham drives all signs of Christianity from the ancient city. Christians have lived in Mosul for nearly 2,000 years, but today they are reliving the Muslim religious wars of the Middle Ages. ..’

                  Mr Lopez, I believe you have to thank the Judeo-Christian Zionists alliance for that!

                  ‘“All facts show that Al-Baqdadi is in contact with the CIA and during all the years that he was in prison (2004-2009) he has been collaborating with the CIA,” Matuzov told Voice of Russia radio on Tuesday.

                  He noted that the US does not need to use drones against ISIL because it can easily have access to the ISIL leaders, adding that since the terrorist commanders are the US allies, Washington would never combat them as they are staging the US plans.

                  ISIL is a Takfiri extremist group which has its roots in the insurgency against the US-led invasion on Iraq in 2006, and was later developed to a bigger group in Syria in 2012.

                  The group is known to be responsible for mass murders and extremist acts of violence across Syria and Iraq.’

                  http://www.globalresearch.ca/isil-leader-closely-cooperating-with-cia/5391601

                  Perhaps you western mind had been playing game on you!

                  ‘the “war on terrorism” is a complete fabrication based on the illusion that one man, Osama bin Laden, outwitted the $40 billion-a-year American intelligence apparatus. The “war on terrorism” is a war of conquest. Globalization is the final march to the “New World Order”, dominated by Wall Street and the U.S. military-industrial complex.

                  September 11, 2001 provides a justification for waging a war without borders. Washington’s agenda consists in extending the frontiers of the American Empire to facilitate complete U.S. corporate control, while installing within America the institutions of the Homeland Security State.’

                  http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-s-war-on-terrorism-the-truth-will-prevail/29427

                  As for ancient sites being destroyed, perhaps you might want to ask the Simon Wiesenthal Center about it?

                  http://www.globalresearch.ca/unesco-supports-simon-wiesenthal-centers-destruction-of-historic-muslim-cemetery-in-jerusalem/5388513

                  Mr Lopez, you haven’t learn, are you?

                    1. Greg,

                      (1) re: the Court of Appeal, and Federal Court, judgment and decision

                      Why the Christian adamance on the use of lafaz ‘Allah’?

                      (2) re: ketuanan Melayu

                      Why the DAP demonizing our fellow citizens who frame their self-identity as Melayu?

                      The way Prof. Kessler writes is as if all the fault is only on one side – the Muslims, the Malays, Umno.

                  1. Hi Helen (re: comment No. 59 and islam1st comment no. 57),

                    Would you or islam1st like to provide a critique of Clive Kessler’s article, or a critique of current analysis on Malaysia that blames Muslims.

                    I am happy to publish it on New Mandala. Your views could reach a wider audience.

          2. re: The opposition side is adamant that any talk of impending conflict is just Umno right wingers scaremongering the rakyat.

            The opposition also claimed that any talk of impending conflict is a red herring to distract from issues like rising cost of living, wastage and bad governance. Let us take a reference point of 2008 General Election ‘political tsunami’.

            How many incidences of conflicts/protests/amok that are worthy to be called ‘racial riot similar to 13 May’ have erupted since 2008?

            Using the same reference point, how many incidences of abuse, wastage, corruption and the rate of rising cost of living have happened?

            1. re: “a red herring to distract from issues like rising cost of living, wastage and bad governance”

              Your excuse is sounding like a broken old record.

              In Selangor, the cost of living is rising among the highest (except maybe for Johor and Penang).

              Wastage: Read about the Kancil carpark at the foot of Penang Hill

              http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:b7PFh0Chj34J:www2.nst.com.my/streets/northern/car-park-to-be-ready-in-3-months-1.607678+&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=my&client=firefox-a

              Bad governance: Is it good governance to force a by-election in Kajang to replace a healthy 40-something Adun with a 60-something Anwar (under the initial plan) who has a bad back, heart problems and persistent neck pains – all cited as the reasons for his countless MCs necessitating delays in his sodomy hearings?

              Has Selangor under Pakatan delivered good governance?

              No! And it’s not me saying this. It is the PKR and DAP who are insisting that their Pakatan colleague Khalid Ibrahim has been such a bad administrator of the state that they need to remove him.

              So what are you talking about … “bad governance”?

              1. re: In Selangor, the cost of living is rising among the highest (except maybe for Johor and Penang).

                You are right. Is the rise in cost of living due to BN Federal Gomen or PR Selangor state gomen? Need to understand the jurisdiction.

                Federal Gomen – house price, petrol, sugar, electric tariff, interest rate, GST, toll

                State Gomen – assesment, quit rent, business license

                Which of increment of the above items impact the rakyat most?

                re: Kancil carpark

                How much is wasted there compare to the annual wastages and leakages incurred by BN Federal Gomen vs PR state gomen as reported in Auditor General Report?

                Both BN and PR have its share of bad governance. Question is who waste more?

                1. re: “Federal Gomen – house price, petrol, sugar, electric tariff, interest rate, GST, toll / State Gomen – assesment, quit rent, business license”

                  The federal gomen does not control the housing industry in Pg. The DAP taikos and their developer cronies do. Pls read Anil Netto’s blog for the sordid details.

                  Sugar is a controlled item whereas street food prices in Penang have skyrocketed. Grocery prices vary from shop to shop.

                  Toll: The Pakatan administration is responsible for (being in cahoots with) the Kidex plan.

                  The GST has not yet been implemented.

                  re: “How much is wasted there compare to the annual wastages and leakages incurred by BN Federal Gomen vs PR state gomen as reported in Auditor General Report?”

                  Penang is a small state compared to the federal bureaucracy. You should go proportionate.

                  Secondly, it is the Pg gomen that is thumping itself as the paragon of Accountability and Competence.

                  “New broom sweeps clean”, so the saying goes. None of the Dacing supporters deny that the BN gomen has accumulated 60 years of baggage and has many shortcomings. That’s why even Umno supporters did not bother to make excuses for Khir Toyo when he was convicted of corruption.

                  DAP supporters, on the other hand, trumpet that their leaders are clean as a whistle. That was the excuse HY gave as to why she deserved her quantum leap in Speaker salary, i.e. because she did not indulge in corruption and collect side income (she claims). And the Jerusubang sheeple lapped it up.

                  This being so, then the states of Selangor should prove that they’re better.

                  The voters in both states gave BN low marks. BN got the low marks due to their acknowledged lack of competence and accountability, and are being punished for this lack by being thrown out.

                  Let Pakatan show us why they deserve high marks, and justify why the should occupy the setas of power that was once the BN’s. Does the Kancil carpark demonstrate competence and accountability?

    2. ‘its a good idea for TalentCorp to change its objective to support Malaysians who would want to leave Malaysia find jobs overseas?’

      Mr Lopez, I thought you and ANU are doing just fine, no?

      1. I am fine, but there are many Malaysians who would like to leave Malaysia but are unable to do so because of the cost of searching for a job overseas (e.g. getting the necessary information).

        This is a win-win situation — the government, the Muslims and those who choose to leave.

          1. wow, your consulting clients must really get a bang for their buck if this is the kind of solutions you’re offering…

            1. Muslims in Malaysia believe that they are under siege.

              Helen has done some interesting analysis earlier on — on how genocide happened in Rwanda.

              I see similarities here in Malaysia. If things continue, it won’t be long before Muslims demand that something be done to the enemies of Islam.

  8. This Rocket promote non-Muslim berpuasa.

    “Why fast during Ramadan, as a non-Muslim? It’s not just about the delicious “buka puasa” feasts. Those who take up the fast say they are doing so as a mark of respect and solidarity, to learn about other cultures, share in the suffering of the poor, or as a personal challenge.”

    Some more DAP promote member DAP lain yang puasa
    http://www.therocket.com.my/en/non-muslims-reps-experience-ramadan-fast/

    Tengok the cheeky comment
    Michael Lee Go poke your ass with spokes during Thaipusam
    17 July at 20:19 · Like · 1

    Ya. Gua mau tengok OKM kena poke with spokes.

      1. Nah. Lagi non-Muslim masuk mesjid. Ini pulak Yap Soo Hui – ADUN Pulau Tikus.
        Bukan saje, di Selangor, non-Muslim masuk mesjid. Kini Penang jugak.

    1. We don’t need their “solidarity” in fasting, because sincerely fasting is not a hardship for us. It is not something we dread but a month that we look forward to.

      What we need is for non-Muslims to respect the constitution and allow us to practise our Islam in this country where Islam is the religion of the constitution, without their continuous jeering, insults and such.

      We don’t need this –

      http://politikputramerdeka.blogspot.com/2014/07/hallo-jamil-khir-tidor-ke.html

      http://keris7lok.blogspot.com/2014/07/yang-maki-masih-siasat-yang-komen-kena.html
      http://taotauajer.blogspot.com/2014/06/wtf-chow-jack-hina-islam-selamat-hari.html
      http://pendekarawang1.blogspot.com/2014/04/budak-hingusan-alex-alex-chow-kurang.html

      1. ‘because sincerely fasting is not a hardship for us. It is not something we dread’

        Exactly, thus the stunt is insulting to say the least!

  9. Malaysia law says cannot proselytise to Muslims. You may argue that it is unfair and to a certain degree, it is so.

    But then, who ever said life is fair?

    You play the cards you’re dealt with, not turn over the table and grab other people’s cards.

    But they’ll be like, I’m a game changer ma. .. Please, go use that line to motivate your mlm down line but don’t create havoc in this country for the sake of religious ego.

    1. Incidentally, which “coalition of the willing” will Malaysia be part of (pardon the bad grammar)?

      Incidentally, Tun Dr Mahathir let go another fulminating broadside in his blog, this time directed at Israel.

      Of course, that won’t win him fans or friends in the West – they have made it abundantly clear where their sympathies lie.

      One hopes that Malaysia makes the right choices.

  10. “Jabatan-jabatan kerajaan dan kampus-kampus universiti kerajaan yang menyediakan surau akan terpaksa menyediakan gereja, tokong dan gurdwara”

    “Jika kita tidak membendungnya, perkara seperti ini akan merebak ke seluruh Malaysia. Di waktu itu, waktu penyiaran rancangan-rancangan agama Islam di televisyen pun akan terpaksa dikongsi dengan agama-agama lain”.

    the above 2 statements reportedly made by the former cj. anyway, the allegation of ‘racist’, ‘extremist’ and ‘liar’ by cm of penang is in keeping with his ‘way of life’, i.e. the trinity.

  11. Ha, ha…..Helen is running scared.

    Note that she does not comment on Christians converting to Islam (perfectly kosher in her worldview), but the reverse (Muslims converting to Christianity) is to be met with fire and brimstone (because it is haram).

    Does Islam arrogate to itself the right of “one-way” conversions with no possibility of “recanting” (i.e. no exit path)?

    That seems to be mighty presumptuous in that it claims a knowledge of what The Almighty wants or desires.

    And, of course, “freedom of choice” doesn’t come into it.

    Nope, no way. Once you are in, you are in. End of story.

    That’s not the way to win friends and influence people in the modern world where enlightenment, information and rational discussion are the order of the day.

    What does it come to? You push, I push back? And the to-and-froing will go on until one side calls “uncle” and surrenders.

    Given the mood in the US and the rest of the West, it’s pretty certain how that will play out.

    Unless an overarching “Islamic Caliphate” appears on the scene…..then all bets are off.

    1. re: “Note that she does not comment on Christians converting to Islam (perfectly kosher in her worldview)”

      That would be Felixia Yeap.

      re: “but the reverse (Muslims converting to Christianity) is to be met with fire and brimstone (because it is haram)”

      (1) Because according to some schools of Muslim jurisprudence, the penalty for apostasy is death. And if DAP succeeds in helping PAS to install and implement hudud, that capital punishment it will be in Malaysia.

      (2) Also because Malaysian civil law prohibits proselytizing to Muslims.

      re: “And, of course, ‘freedom of choice’ doesn’t come into it.”

      So I take it that your position on this is the same as the Christian Federation of Malaysia and the Church’s.

      re: “That’s not the way to win friends and influence people in the modern world where enlightenment, information and rational discussion are the order of the day.”

      The evangelista way to win friends and influence people is through masquerade – wear tudung, go to mosque, become Raja Tweet #sahur, wear songkok and kain sampin, anjurkan majlis berbuka puasa even though they do not puasa and have been eating pork and drinking beer.

      re: “What does it come to? You push, I push back?”

      Let’s see how hard the evangelistas think they can push and shove.

    2. ‘enlightenment, information and rational discussion are the order of the day.’

      I beg to differ. It is either you are with us or you are against us, remember?

      Pre emptive strike coupled with drones for democracy are the other of the day, MH17 is one of them!

      ‘After days of placing hostile blame for the downing of the Malaysian airliner on Russia, the White House permitted US intelligence officials to tell reporters that there is no evidence of the Russian government’s involvement.

      Obviously, the US satellite photos do not support the Obama regime’s lies.

      If the White House had any evidence of Russian complicity, it would have released it to great fanfare days ago.’

      http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-intelligence-on-malaysian-flight-mh17-russia-didnt-do-it-us-satellite-photos-do-not-support-obamas-lies/5393053

      ‘On the matter of MH17’s flight path, Malaysian Airlines confirms that the pilot was instructed to fly at a lower altitude by the Kiev air traffic control tower upon its entry into Ukraine airspace.

      ”MH17 filed a flight plan requesting to fly at 35,000ft throughout Ukrainian airspace. This is close to the ‘optimum’ altitude.

      However, an aircraft’s altitude in flight is determined by air traffic control on the ground. Upon entering Ukrainian airspace, MH17 was instructed by Ukrainian air traffic control to fly at 33,000ft.”’

      http://www.globalresearch.ca/malaysian-airlines-mh17-was-ordered-to-fly-over-the-east-ukraine-warzone/5392540

      ‘Washington’s agenda is to isolate Russia and impose heavy sanctions on the Russian government. This is just another example of the West ganging up on countries that refuse to follow Washington’s sinister agenda.’

      http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-malaysian-airline-crash-washingtons-sinister-agenda-directed-against-russia/5392262

      Don’t be such a dick, read more if you must!

      http://www.globalresearch.ca/we-re-going-to-take-out-7-countries-in-5-years-iraq-syria-lebanon-libya-somalia-sudan-iran/5166

      http://www.globalresearch.ca/shelling-and-killing-civilians-western-hypocrisy-over-israel-and-ukraine/5391027

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