The patron of Perkasa is Tun.
Perkasa is holding its fifth annual convention today at Pusat Islam. Wira Perkasa chief Irwan Fahmi Ideris yesterday fired an opening salvo – he called a trio of Najib’s liberal pets “bangsat”.
The Umno leaders earning the ire of Perkasa are Saifuddin Abdullah, Nur Jazlan Mohamed and Khairy Jamaluddin.
Si Pudin kucing gebu
Saifuddin Abdullah is arguably the man most hated in own his party.
I’ve never come across any pro-Umno person who has anything positive to say about Saifuddin. It is only the Firsters and The J-Star that praise him sky high.
In fact, Pudin is so intensely disliked by Malays that ‘Blogers akan bagi anugerah kepada perwakilan yang balun Saifudin Abdullah dalam PAU !!!’ See superblog Gerakan Anti PKR, also known as GAP, on 16 Nov 2014.
Saifuddin’s GMM and its partner the Voice of EvangeliSTAR
Ah Jib Gor collecting rejects
Pudin was rejected by Umno national delegates who kicked him out of the party supreme council.
Pudin was rejected by Umno members who did not see him fit to be Temerloh deputy division chief even.
Pudin was rejected by Temerloh voters who booted him out of Parliament. While Umno as a whole improved in electoral performance – increasing its count to 88 Parliament seats in 2013 (GE13) from 79 seats in 2008 (GE12) – Pudin was one of the incumbent MPs who lost badly.
Pudin is rejected at all levels by his own side. In fact, there have been many calls from the Malays for him to be sacked from his sinecures (kerja makan gaji buta).
When an Umno MP is praised by ABU
The FirstLady Speaker was singing Nur Jazlan’s praises to her 100,000 Twitter followers – see tweet above.
So, the Dapsters are being told that this Umno man cukup hebat.
PAS forum Tranungkite reported yesterday, ‘Nur Jazlan tak kisah dibuang Umno!!‘
Well, what do the Melayu totok (mereka-mereka yang setia pangkah Dacing) think about Nur Jazlan? By the way, he has a column in Malaysia’s most pro-Christian portal The Malaysian Insider.
Khairy the chameleon
Khairy Jamaluddin is the Umno chief who has a Scissorati in his minister office.
He recently went to the Damansara Utama Methodist Church to launch the book of a DUMC pastor – see pix above.
KJ lived abroad as a child and attended a Catholic primary school where there was a crucifix in every classroom and each school day would begin with a Christian prayer.
Malaysiakini last Christmas reported “KJ: I have done Xmas parties, and I’m still Muslim”. This headline was later changed, probably at his press secretary Regina Lee’s behest.
The posturing by KJ is highly irritating.
It’s like those Bangsar Malays yang suka mengada-ngada declaring, “I’ve sung a Christmas carol lah, eaten Christmas turkey lah, blah, blah (fill in the blank) and my faith in Islam remains unshaken.”
So perasan. Umno today has forgotten its roots.
Ah Jib’s problem – tak pandai matematik
The Umno president cum BN chairman cum prime minister fits the bill of a “syok sendiri” leader.
Hanya Ah Jib Gor aje yang mahu pungut Pudin yang ditolak mentah-mentah oleh orang Melayu dan sebaliknya didakap erat oleh orang Cina dan Kristian.
Someone like Saifuddin Abdullah has no cache among pro-establishment Malay voters. And while he may be popular with the Firsters and evangelistas, they will nonetheless still not give their support to Umno even with Pudin standing on the BN ticket.
Pudin is a lose-lose proposition
If you do the math, the ex-Temerloh MP has alienated the Umno Malays while incapable of bringing any Chinese-Christian votes to the BN table.
Ah Jib Gor is surrounding himself with political losers.
At the same time, the people who actually vote BN such as the Perkasa and Isma folks are turned off by Umno liberals like KJ who said that Isma occupies “the same ideological spectrum” as Boko Haram.
The Umno Youth chief also tweeted “about time” (see below) when he heard the news that Isma president Abdullah Zaik was being investigated under the Sedition Act.
Ah Jib Gor is hæmorrhaging conservative Malay support as the Perkasa convention today will reaffirm.
Helen Ang 
Saifuddin = loser, NJ = useless, KJ = Syok sendiri.
The Firsters can keep these people to themselves. Just make sure they remember to vote for these three too comes PRU14.
The head that haemorrhages leaves the body paralysed. A mind that is crooked is like a house in disarray.
Malaysia Muslim heed to be liberalized but not ‘Ag Gib Gor’ neither Perkasa, Isma ,SiS or ‘ISIS’ ways and neither am THE STATR . Anyone read Hamka books?
I like these quotes of Prof. Hamka, the real Malay intellectual:
– “Hujung akal itu fikir, pangkal agama itu zikir”
– “Kemunduran negara tidak akan terjadi kalau tidak kemunduran
budi dan kekusutan jiwa.”
Whoa, wcw bantai Guan Eng n Najib in his column titled pride n prejudice !
Bantai guan eng :
We have reached a point in the nation’s history when Malaysians are tired of listening to the overplay of racial and religious sentiments, fanned by extremists, to create fear when there are none.
Bantai najib in 1mdb fiasco :
The reality, if we look hard enough, is that the real treacherous actions against the country are by those given high positions but commit criminal breach of trust and corruption for their own benefit
What is a ‘moderate Muslim’? Someone who prays 3 times a day? Someone who fasts half a day each day in Ramadhan? Someone who prays 5 times a day and gets drunk twice a week? Someone who adheres to half of Islamic laws and violates the other half? Ahhh yes…. the second part of the paragraph gives us an idea of how moderate a Muslim Noor Farida is: a male Muslim should be allowed to dress up like a girl.
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So, is Pak Ibrahim Ali going to partake of Christmas turkey (halal, of course) and sing Christmas carols if he’s invited to a Christmas party?
He can’t be that much of a party pooper, can he?
Anyway, there’s never a dull moment in Malaysia, what with the police investigating Lim Guan Eng’s recent “Allah” statements and a Catholic priest Father Cyril M in Johor complaining that hymn books used by his Orang Asli parishioners were confiscated by the police.
And what’s one to make of the Singapore Business Times interview with Lim Guan Eng that was just published in that paper’s weekend edition?
Will Ibrahim Ali now ask to be interviewed by the Singapore Straits Time to get his views across?
‘Will Ibrahim Ali now ask to be interviewed by the Singapore Straits Time to get his views across?’
Why should he, Singapore so big meh?
Dunno, leh….and I don’t know why the Singapore Dollar is worth 2.67 Ringgit either.
That’s one thing about Singapore that is “big”.
Ask the lucky Malaysians who work in Singapore and spend their earnings in Johor!
No, I am thinking that seeing how Ibrahim Ali is articulate in English and all, and since he enunciates his opinions with carefully thought out logic, he might welcome an opportunity to air his views to a wider audience, and that he would have the chops to stand up to tough questions.
Surely, a man like him with burning zeal and the courage of his convictions would find it easy to turn the tables on a few “wet behind the ears” Singaporean reporters, wouldn’t he?
That’s unless his unless his “minders” want him to play to a domestic audience only……
Haiyaa don’t talk about Singapore la..
Big sgd what for? Live in pigeon holes day in and out, want to buy basic necessities like nice bangalow or car also most cannot afford wan.
Foreigners laughing their way to the bank.. since June already get sekupang extra. Muahahaha
Hey, hey…..it’s nice to know that “nice bangalow(sic) or car” are “basic necessities”.
How many of the rakyat can afford to buy “nice bangalow” in Malaysia? The top “Onepercenters”?
And if “car” is a “basic necessity”, then all the folks riding motorbikes must have missed out!
As for “pigeon holes”, I dare say that a HDB estate in Singapore is cleaner and better-run than what passes for low-cost housing in Malaysia!
Go take a look at the real Johor Bahru when you are next in the south.
Re As for “pigeon holes”, I dare say that a HDB estate in Singapore is cleaner and better-run than what passes for low-cost housing in Malaysia!
l o l ! You have never been to Singapore
http://therealsingapore.com/content/govt-still-has-not-phased-out-scheme-rent-hdb-flats-foreign-workers
Haiyaa… compare their HDB flats with our equivalent RM5K-RM6K rental rates condos here la..
Many kampung people earning hardly sgd400 equivalent per month live in big bangalow la. Got land to tanam pisang, kangkong, kolam ikan keli, reban ayam dan kandang kerbau and all types of fruit trees and veges some more.
For sgd400 in Singapore can only rent one small HDB pigoen hole owh!
re: “Got land to tanam pisang, kangkong, kolam ikan keli, reban ayam dan kandang kerbau and all types of fruit trees and veges some more.”
Hahaha. Well said Rithmatist.
I suppose I must be one of those poor Malaysians who does not have the Basic Necessities of a bungalow house to his name. What more the masses living in the public flats and zinc roof houses on the side of the Komuter line.
Haiyaa, those living in such conditions are mainly are pendatangs or descendants of pendatangs owh..
Many types of pendatangs.. From selat melaka, china sea, indian ocean, sulu seas, sungai golok, from the sky also got wan.
Another wave of pendatangs are economic migrants from certain hidup segan mati tak mau states. Hari raya or whatever celebrations they will go back to their kampung ‘mansions’ (by rich Singaporean standards – donno if many can afford).
Haiyaaa got money but no quality in life what for like that?
‘Singapore Dollar is worth 2.67 Ringgit’
Haiyaa. Brunei with Hudud also can get 2.67 to a ringgit. Why so bising? Want Hudud is it?
Lucky? Singaporean always complained lah They say ony the gomen and the banks are getting richer but citizen getting poorer-‘they took our money and got rich by the day’
‘Surely, a man like him with burning zeal and the courage of his convictions would find it easy to turn the tables on a few “wet behind the ears” Singaporean reporters, wouldn’t he?’
For what?
Not that he is opening a Perkasa chapter in Singapura soon, so whats the need to waste his time?!
Yes, because Brunei has pegged it’s Dollar to the Singapore Dollar on a 1-to-1 basis.
Go reread your history, man, especially about the cordial relationship between the Brunei Sultanate and successive Singapore governments.
And ask yourself why Brunei chose not to peg it’s Dollar against fellow Islamic country Malaysia?
No “Islamic solidarity” in this instance, eh?
Re Go reread your history, man, especially about the cordial relationship between the Brunei Sultanate and successive Singapore governments.
There you go again, selling the DAP’s version wa ha ha ha !
‘Yes, because Brunei has pegged it’s Dollar to the Singapore Dollar on a 1-to-1 basis.’
Its the other way around lah.
‘And ask yourself why Brunei chose not to peg it’s Dollar against fellow Islamic country Malaysia?’
Because we don’t have Hudud yet?
‘And ask yourself why Brunei chose not to peg it’s Dollar against fellow Islamic country Malaysia?’
“Because we don’t have Hudud yet?”
Does Singapore have hudud? ;-)
Bodoh betul balaci komunis ni. Brunei also chose not too peg its currency to Saudi Riyal, Kuwaiti Dinar and UAE Dirham. It’s the same reasons why the U.S. don’t see it necessary to peg it’s dollar to the British pound even though they always talk about that “special transatlantic relationship”. It’s economy, stupid and go read the history about that singapork-Brunei currency peg. singapork need it more than Brunei.
Heh, heh…forgot about the Syed Azahari episode in Brunei, did you?
And really – Singapore asked Brunei to peg the Brunei Dollar on par against the Singapore Dollar?
Proof?
Al Jazeera interviewed ibrahim Ali and we got the “don’t talk shit” video out of it. I don’t think that made him look good.
Whoever gets interviewed they must remember to know what’s the angle of the people interviewing them.
Anyway Ibrahim Ali won’t even mind sponsoring a party giving Christmas turkey to eat, I think. After all he did sponsor Chinese New Year party and give out ang pows. The Chinese took them and later complained about the color of the envelopes.
Yah, but will he also join in the singing of Christmas carols?
Or visit a church and hand out gifts of goods and cash to the needy (of the “right” faiths and religions)?
Wait – strike that last question. That much be too much for him to even think about.
It’s like betraying his cause and agenda.
‘Yah, but will he also join in the singing of Christmas carols?’
For what?
Don’t be so kiasu can or not, how many Anwar Ibrahim do you guys want? Satu tak cukup meh?
Apa lagi korang mahu?
That would too extreme (it concerns a matter of religious faith interpretation) and would reflect badly in the eyes of the Muslim Malays of the group he leads.
Not too mention trying too hard, and his sincerity would be doubted by the recipients. It’s too pandering. It would be like Anwar going to church and telling the Christian folks there how he reads the bible daily in prison or something like that. I don’t know if they believe him or not. I certainly don’t believe him.
Elsewhere people would see nothing wrong, it’s typical thing a politician would do, but we are talking about Malaysia. More limits here. well, it’s not like the others don’t have limits in the form of political correctness and all that stuff as well.
I’m talking about the carols, of course.
Nothing wrong with giving gifts of goods and cash to the needy no matter what occasion.
‘Nothing wrong with giving gifts of goods and cash to the needy no matter what occasion.’
Dharma has been the Malay way of life for ages!
Or was “Dharma” adopted from the Hindus?
“Dharma” was already mentioned in The Ramayana and The Mahabharata hundreds of years ago.
The Buddhist parallel is “Karma”.
Again, go reread your history – the unexpurgated and unedited version, of course!
Re Again, go reread your history – the unexpurgated and unedited version, of course!
You mean the DAP’s version ? Wa ha ha ha ! You’re laughable ! Wa ha ha ha !
‘Again, go reread your history – the unexpurgated and unedited version, of course!’
Brader, where aah to get them? Can point some to me or not? Got url aah, these ‘unexpurgated and unedited version’ of history?
Abang, I think that commie is referring to the UEC version of history, which is undoubtedly “the unexpurgated and unedited version”. I mean, only people like Mat Sabun would believe that communists fought for our independence.
‘I think that commie is referring to the UEC version of history’
Yes. It must be the UEC.
“Dharma” was already mentioned in The Ramayana and The Mahabharata hundreds of years ago.
According to Aney Wiki there are over 1/6th Indian population in the Dalit/untoucheable class. Almost 7times the population of Malaysia!
Aney google …….India’s economy has the second highest growth rate in the world, only behind China.
Despite that forty-two percent of the nation lives below the international poverty line. The almost 500 million people who live in poverty in India outnumber the entire U.S. population……
Let us hope “Dharma” is not merely mentioned in their holy scriptures but put to practise in their daily lives.
Wonder people like Ambiga read and write in Sanskrit or not?
‘Wonder people like Ambiga read and write in Sanskrit or not?’
Not really lah. Probably occasionally when she sembahyang, sabda mantras etc.
The Malays still did though. On daily basis, as we speak, literally as we speak. Anyway, people like Ambigas don’t even know where the hind purva was.
Dharma is part of Malay cultures. Just look at our good the migrants are living in this country.
‘Kuala Lumpur is the city with the highest level of HNWIs at 13,800 in 2013, more than Abu Dhabi (12,500), Cape Town (8,753) or Birmingham (8,736).’
http://www.wealthinsight.com/pressrelease/millionaires-in-malaysia-26000-and-counting-4462509/
‘The almost 500 million people who live in poverty in India outnumber the entire U.S. population……’
What karma again, The Rithmatist?
Dharma includes the law of karma (cause-effect) but the idea is not exclusive to some school of “Hinduism” or “Buddhism”. It is above all to know the reality of your existence and to connect with the Absolute Ineffable Truth and to be in harmony and righteousness with your fellowmen.
The Meaning of the Universal Buddhist Aspiration [YouTube]
“A Useless Life”
A farmer got so old that he couldn’t work the fields anymore. So he would spend the day just sitting on the porch. His son, still working the farm, would look up from time to time and see his father sitting there. “He’s of no use any more,” the son complained to himself, “he doesn’t do anything!”
One day the son got so frustrated by this, that he built a wood coffin, dragged it over to the porch, and told his father to get in. Without saying anything, the father climbed inside. After closing the lid, the son dragged the coffin to the edge of the farm where there was a high cliff.
As he approached the drop, he heard a light tapping on the lid from inside the coffin. He opened it up. Still lying there peacefully, the father looked up at his son and said: “I know you are going to throw me over the cliff, but before you do that, may I suggest something?” “What is it?” replied the son. “Throw me over the cliff, if you like,” said the father, “but save this good wood coffin. Your children might need to use it for you.”
[ If we are not so old as to be incapacitated shouldn’t we make ourselves useful to others? But remember, judge others only as you would be judged by others. Contentment and goodwill are an immeasurable wealth. ]
Ms H. To improve his image, the Honourable Prime Minister should get rid of the Cantonese monicker, ‘ AH JIB GOR ‘. It is a Chinese gangster connotation.
It is better to be called, ‘AH JIB SHIFU ‘ or ‘Master Ah Jib.’ Another favourite of the Hong Kongers, ‘Ah Jib Sir.’ Whoever did this, he did not have the Honourable Prime Minister honourable interests at heart.
Yes, talk rubbish about Saifuddin Abdullah.
Yet Ibrahim Ali was defeated in an area where the population is nearly all-Malay, and conservative too. It is ironic that this clown is now proclaiming himself to be a ‘Hero’ while his members label others as ‘bangsat’.
Zulkifli Noordin meanwhile contests in an area where the population is over two-thirds Malay. He lost also.
Isma can only gather a few thousand votes in places with over 50,000 voters, yet, that is somehow a success.
“Pudin was rejected by Umno members who did not see him fit to be Temerloh deputy division chief even.”
Mukhriz was rejected by Umno members when he contested for the Vice President posts. I suppose they did not see him fit. :)
Meanwhile, Khairy was re-elected by the Youth wing.
(1) Saifuddin is a loser, period.
(2) Ibrahim Ali was defeated in a PAS state by the (then) Menteri Besar’s charismatic ulama son.
(3) Zul Noordin was not contesting in his home state and nor was he the incumbent and it was a PAS seat in a Pakatan state. Saifuddin contested in his own state where he was Temerloh incumbent and a Deputy Minister to boot. Pahang is a BN state and Temerloh was an Umno seat in 2008, 2004 and 1999. (Loser)
(4) Actually Mukhriz won the popular vote but only lost due to the collegiate system introduced for the very first time in the party election that year. (c.f. how Al Gore won the popular vote but GW Bush won the electoral college).
Mukhriz did very well considering the party president campaigned for his opponent while Hisham’s wife is Pahang royalty (Hisham swept the Pahang votes, the palace was speculated to have had a role). Also KJ and Shahrizat swung the Youth and Wanita votes Hisham’s way, Mukhriz announced his candidacy late while Hisham was the incumbent.
And the gutter camp pulled out all the stops, e.g. The Malaysian Insider‘s wicked fitnah on the eve of polling that Mukhriz was playing money politics. (TMI apologized but the damage was already done.)
(5) “KJ rasuah! KJ rasuah! KJ rasuah! KJ rasuah!” they chanted in the PWTC in the previous Youth election (also won by Khairy) and one where Umno’s own disciplinary committee found him guilty of money politics.
Postscript
Furthermore, Hisham represented Umno powerhouse Johor whereas Mukhriz’s Kedah is a smaller state and fewer delegates.
In the Umno VP contest, Mukhriz finished 4th out of 6 candidates.
For the supreme council seats, 25 members are elected. Pudin finished in the 41st slot and only obtained 29 votes. The top finishers, tied at No.1 were Mustapha Mohamed and Jamil Khir Baharom with 168 votes each. Tied at No.3, Ismail Sabri and Idris Jusoh got 166 votes each.
Loser
“(1) Saifuddin is a loser, period.
(2) Ibrahim Ali was defeated in a PAS state by the (then) Menteri Besar’s charismatic ulama son.
(3) Zul Noordin was not contesting in his home state and nor was he the incumbent and it was a PAS seat in a Pakatan state.”
Lets look at the majorities.
Saifuddin Abdullah: Lost by around 1,000 votes.
Ibrahim Ali was also an incumbent. He had the mighty Barisan Nasional machinery behind him implicitly, local fame, and the position as the leader of Perkasa in his resume: Lost by around 8,000 votes.
Zulkifli Noordin: Lost by around 11,000 votes.
So it is certainly obvious that Zulkifli Noordin and Ibrahim Ali are the biggest Losers.
“(4) Actually Mukhriz won the popular vote but only lost due to the collegiate system introduced for the very first time in the party election that year.”
He still lost. Mukhriz was among the losers.
“Mukhriz did very well considering the party president campaigned for his opponent while Hisham’s wife is Pahang royalty (Hisham swept the Pahang votes, the palace was speculated to have had a role). Also KJ and Shahrizat swung the Youth and Wanita votes Hisham’s way, Mukhriz announced his candidacy late while Hisham was the incumbent.”
Mukhriz has the backing of the ex-Prime Minister Tun Mahathir, who still holds some currency within Umno, and the ultras. He also has deep pockets.
Saifuddin Abdullah does not have the leverage and privilege of being an ex-Prime Minister’s son or son-in-law, or marriage ties to royalty, if I recall.
“And the gutter camp pulled out all the stops, e.g. The Malaysian Insider‘s wicked fitnah on the eve of polling that Mukhriz was playing money politics. (TMI apologized but the damage was already done.)”
Yes. I suppose UMNO delegate members, especially the ultra-conservatives read ‘The Malaysian Insider’. ;)
“(5) “KJ rasuah! KJ rasuah! KJ rasuah! KJ rasuah!” they chanted in the PWTC in the previous Youth election (also won by Khairy) and one where Umno’s own disciplinary committee found him guilty of money politics.”
Yes I have seen that video on Youtube. A whole bunch of pots calling the kettles on the other side black.
re: “So it is certainly obvious that Zulkifli Noordin and Ibrahim Ali are the biggest Losers.”
GE13 was when the insanity of the Pakatan supporters peaked in their craze to take control of Putrajaya.
They were hell-bent on the “two party system”, “you’re either with us or against us”. If you’re against Pakatan, the oppo supporters considered you their mortal enemy. These oppo supporters handed all three a thumping defeat.
But you must remember that IA and ZN were outsiders. IA did not contest on a BN ticket. Although the Umno candidate withdrew to pave the way for IA to fight Nik Abduh one-on-one, IA was still an INDEPENDENT solo candidate as Perkasa is not a registered party and IA is not Umno.
So Pasir Mas was PAS vs Independent. All the independents (and third party candidates) were routed in GE13.
As for ZN, don’t forget that he was a PKR, then independent MP for Kulim Bandar Baru before parachuting into Shah Alam. He did not get strong Umno support because his DNA is opposition (PAS & PKR background). For someone contesting against the PAS incumbent Khalid Samad deputy commissioner PAS Selangor and receiving only lukewarm support from Umno, Zul’s 38k votes was a good showing.
As for Saifuddin, he went into the Temerloh contest as incumbent MP in Umno area (1999, 2004, 2008) and Deputy Minister and party Supreme Councillor. As an Umno VIP, Saifuddin is the big loser compared to Ibrahim Ali (independent) and Zul Noordin who contested a PAS seat in a Pakatan state.
re: “He still lost. Mukhriz was among the losers.”
Mukhriz was the youngest (i.e. least experienced) of the six VP candidates and it was his first time contesting.
For a debutant, Mukhriz did not perform as disgracefully as incumbent Saifuddin who failed to defend his seat and could not even meet the cut for a 25-seat council.
re: “Mukhriz has the backing of the ex-Prime Minister Tun Mahathir, who still holds some currency within Umno, and the ultras. He also has deep pockets.”
In 2006 at the height of his exile, Tun contested in Kubang Pasu to be one of the six delegates form his division to the Umno general assembly. The former PM of 22 years did not get enough support to be a Kubang Pasu delegate to the PAU, imagine that!
If you’re talking about “deep pockets”, then it is the incumbents (the Badawi administration) who were best positioned to play money politics – “KJ rasuah! KJ rasuah! KJ rasuah!”. If Tun had dug into his pocket, he would not have lost at the lowly Kubang Pasu party election to be one of six division delegates.
re: “Saifuddin Abdullah does not have the leverage and privilege of being an ex-Prime Minister’s son or son-in-law, or marriage ties to royalty, if I recall.”
Saifuddin was contesting in a field of 63 candidates for the supreme council. None of the other 62 contestants were the PM’s son either.
re: “Yes. I suppose UMNO delegate members, especially the ultra-conservatives read ‘The Malaysian Insider’. ;) ”
Those whom you called “ultra” would have made up their mind early on and not be swayed by character assassination on the eve of polling. It is the fence-sitters who might possibly tip at the last minute.
Fitnah is fitnah (libel) no matter what kind of publication does it. It was only when Mukhriz threatened to sue that scumbag TMI quickly apologized. The pro-Christian media are gutter press.
re: “Yes I have seen that video on Youtube. A whole bunch of pots calling the kettles on the other side black.”
You’re calling the hundreds/thousands of ordinary Youth delegates and grassroots supporters black “pot” while maintaining that the KJ ‘Fourth Floor Boys’ camp is the fairer “kettle”?
Boy, you’re really a staunch practitioner of the Porky Principle.
“But you must remember that IA and ZN were outsiders.”
Ibrahim Ali is not an outsider. He is quite a seasoned local in Pasir Mas, and has won that seat before in 2008.
“IA did not contest on a BN ticket. Although the Umno candidate withdrew to pave the way for IA to fight Nik Abduh one-on-one, IA was still an INDEPENDENT solo candidate as Perkasa is not a registered party and IA is not Umno.”
Perkasa has close ties with Umno and they have admitted receiving funds from the government. It is correct he ran as an independent candidate, but he had support from the local Umno machinery. Otherwise, why would Umno withdraw to make way for him?
“As for ZN, don’t forget that he was a PKR, then independent MP for Kulim Bandar Baru before parachuting into Shah Alam. He did not get strong Umno support because his DNA is opposition (PAS & PKR background). For someone contesting against the PAS incumbent Khalid Samad deputy commissioner PAS Selangor and receiving only lukewarm support from Umno, Zul’s 38k votes was a good showing.”
38,000 votes and with a majority loss of 11,000. Compare that with Saifuddin’s loss of 1,000 votes. Budak darjah tiga pun tahu Zulkifli Noordin is the bigger loser.
“Mukhriz was the youngest (i.e. least experienced) of the six VP candidates and it was his first time contesting.
For a debutant, Mukhriz did not perform as disgracefully as incumbent Saifuddin who failed to defend his seat and could not even meet the cut for a 25-seat council.”
Still he lost, and is a loser, despite getting the support of a very prominent ex-Prime Minister.
“Those whom you called “ultra” would have made up their mind early on and not be swayed by character assassination on the eve of polling. It is the fence-sitters who might possibly tip at the last minute.”
Yes, I am sure those Umno fence-sitters read non-Barisan Nasional news media such as The Malaysian Insider. Ah yes, Ali and Abu were going to vote for Mukhriz that day at the Putra World Trade Centre. But suddenly, they read that article about Mukhriz on their iPads. An article not from Utusan, The Star, or Berita Harian, but from a newsportal critical of the government and Barisan Nasional. Suddenly, their mind changes and they vote somebody else.
Since you think that Jahabar Sadiq’s newsportal damaged Mukhriz’s chances of winning an internal election, can we see your proof?
“Fitnah is fitnah (libel) no matter what kind of publication does it. It was only when Mukhriz threatened to sue that scumbag TMI quickly apologized. The pro-Christian media are gutter press.”
Nothing compared to the lies, race-baiting, and religion-stirring of Utusan and their ilk.
“You’re calling the hundreds/thousands of ordinary Youth delegates and grassroots supporters black “pot” while maintaining that the KJ ‘Fourth Floor Boys’ camp is the fairer “kettle”?”
If there are hundreds and thousands as you claimed, Khairy would have lost.
It appears your ‘reasoning’ above can be summarised as such; “If a person I do not like loses, then it is his fault, he is a loser, the Malays or Chinese or Indians hate him. But if a person I like loses, let a million excuses bloom”.
re: “But you must remember that IA and ZN were outsiders.” / “Ibrahim Ali is not an outsider. He is quite a seasoned local in Pasir Mas, and has won that seat before in 2008.”
Let me make myself clearer. I was talking about the two-party system and how the oppo supporters last election were so obsessed with Putrajaya (“Ubah, ini kali lah!”) that they will not entertain any Third Force.
IA was an “outsider” with regard to the GE13 political calculus (“two parties”, either or, do or die) and not that about his locality in Pasir Mas. I’d already said that IA did not stand on Umno-BN ticket. He stood as Independent meaning he was outside the two-party framework.
Jeffrey Kitigan’s STAR flopped as well because Malaysia is not ready for Third Parties (like the Green or the Liberal or the Far Right nationalist parties in Europe).
re: “Perkasa has close ties with Umno and they have admitted receiving funds from the government. It is correct he ran as an independent candidate, but he had support from the local Umno machinery. Otherwise, why would Umno withdraw to make way for him?”
(a) Why would Umno withdraw to make way for him? Urm, because of MM?
(b) Perkasa receiving funds from the government … so do other NGOs, like for transgenders.
(c) “he had support from the local Umno machinery” … dunno. But you shouldn’t take for granted that IA has a good relationship with Umno. Recently on Sunday at the Perkasa annual convention, he called several Umno leaders “bangsat”.
re: “38,000 votes and with a majority loss of 11,000. Compare that with Saifuddin’s loss of 1,000 votes. Budak darjah tiga pun tahu Zulkifli Noordin is the bigger loser.”
ZN was an Umno-tumpang crossover politician who lost in Selangor (a Pakatan state) in a PAS seat. SA was an Umno Deputy Minister who lost in Pahang (a BN-Umno state) in an Umno seat.
re: “Still he lost, and is a loser, despite getting the support of a very prominent ex-Prime Minister.”
Mukhriz won the popular vote. Saifuddin finished in the 41st spot.
re: “Yes, I am sure those Umno fence-sitters read non-Barisan Nasional news media such as The Malaysian Insider.”
Do you have any evidence that they don’t?
re: “An article not from Utusan, The Star, or Berita Harian, but from a newsportal critical of the government and Barisan Nasional. Suddenly, their mind changes and they vote somebody else.”
The problem is Malaysians don’t double check like when TMI published the false news (deliberately spindoctored) that there was a fatwa forbidding Muslims from wishing Karpal Sing “RIP”.
The article went viral and predictably encouraged the YYs to denigrate the Islamic authorities. It was even picked up by the international press.
TMI only made a small amendment at the bottom of the original article and not even acknowledging erratum , i.e. failing to issue a proper standalone correction but the damage was already done. That’s how the gutter press operate, recklessly fling lots of mud and some of it would stick because the readership is hysterical and gullible.
re: “Since you think that Jahabar Sadiq’s newsportal damaged Mukhriz’s chances of winning an internal election, can we see your proof?”
If JS was not guilty, then his portal need not have apologized to Mukhriz. Scumbag TMI should see Mukhriz in court.
re: “Nothing compared to the lies, race-baiting, and religion-stirring of Utusan and their ilk.”
TMI is worse. “Apa lagi Cina mahu?” may be provocative but it is not as bad as TMI deliberately fabricating a fatwa about “RIP” when Karpal died in order to incite the non-Muslims.
re: “If there are hundreds and thousands as you claimed, Khairy would have lost.”
There were hundreds of chanters (“KJ rasuah! KJ rasuah! KJ rasuah!”) in the video. Maybe above a thousand. However the hundreds of Mukhriz supporters were not delegates who have voting rights.
Recall that in 2006, the Kubang Pasu division only sent six delegates to the Umno assembly and Tun (who was sent to a Siberian gulag – politically speaking – by Dollah and his 4th Floor Boys) failed to secure a place as one of the six.
re: “It appears your ‘reasoning’ above can be summarised as such; ‘If a person I do not like loses, then it is his fault, he is a loser’…”
Saifuddin not only lost GE13, he also lost in the fight for a seat in the 25-member (elected) Umno supreme council as well as lost his party election to become Temerloh deputy division chief.
Don’t see how your wet thread can stand up when you insist that he’s not a loser.
“Let me make myself clearer. I was talking about the two-party system and how the oppo suppo…”
IA was an “outsider” with regard to the GE13 political calculus (“two parties”, either or, do or die) and not that about his locality in Pasir Mas…”
Here we go again. Another million and one excuses blooming. Isn’t this behaviour from you the so-called ‘porky principal’ you love to accuse others of?
Yes, we know he did not stand on a BN ticket. Yet that does not mean the Umno was not supporting him. Ibrahim Ali is very (in)famous for claiming to support the racial and religious cause of the Malays. He has the home ground advantage of Pasir Mas, so much that Umno decides to withdraw in his favour. Yet he lost with a far bigger margin than Saifuddin.
“But you shouldn’t take for granted that IA has a good relationship with Umno. Recently on Sunday at the Perkasa annual convention, he called several Umno leaders “bangsat”.”
Relationships can sour after a year in politics. Especially when contracts and projects are a bit slow in coming to their side. ;-)
“Do you have any evidence that they don’t?”
Hey, you claimed that Malaysian Insider spoiled Mukhriz’s chances of a victory in an internal party election. The onus is on the accuser to provide the burden of proof.
“The problem is Malaysians don’t double check like when TMI published the false news (deliberately spindoctored) that there was a fatwa forbidding Muslims from wishing Karpal Sing “RIP”.
The article went viral and predictably encouraged the YYs to denigrate the Islamic authorities. It was even picked up by the international press.”
Stick to the issue. The TMI readers nor the public do not vote in the Umno party elections.
“TMI is worse. “Apa lagi Cina mahu?” may be provocative but it is not as bad as TMI deliberately fabricating a fatwa about “RIP” when Karpal died in order to incite the non-Muslims.”
It is worse. Utusan is targeting one whole race, a quarter of the population. The report on the fatwa only affects a government department at worse. Utusan has lost numerous court cases in recent years or have been caught pants down straight out lying.
“There were hundreds of chanters (“KJ rasuah! KJ rasuah! KJ rasuah!”) in the video. Maybe above a thousand.”
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Only the first few rows appear to be chanting and raising their fists. The people in the background seem to be looking on. A few hundred at most, and certainly not a thousand.
“Don’t see how your wet thread can stand up when you insist that he’s not a loser.”
Point out where did I say that Saifuddin is not a loser.
Re: “Here we go again. Another million and one excuses blooming. Isn’t this behaviour from you the so-called ‘porky principal’ you love to accuse others of?”
There you go again. You just can’t get away from your porkiness, can you? I’d already said in my earlier comment but you’re still ultra kiasu and deliberately misrepresenting, just like those fellows who insisted that the Alvivi Bak Kut Teh was really halal chicken.
See original comment @ December 17, 2014 at 2:07 pm, where I had said:
That was the paragraph where I used the word “outsiders“. My use of the word “outsiders” went together with the phrases “two party system”, “you’re either with us or against us”, “IA did not contest on a BN ticket” and “IA is not Umno”.
It is very obvious that that when I said Ibrahim Ali was an “outsider”, I meant that he was an Independent who was outside the two parties (BN vs oppo) fight in a political climate where the Pakatan-ABU supporters were giler about taking Putrajaya.
But now you want to putar-belit and alih topik to say that Ibrahim Ali was not an “outsider” to Pasir Mas. You’re a Porky Principle practitioner alright, you keep proving it every time. Semua orang boleh nampak lah.
re: “Yet that does not mean the Umno was not supporting him.”
Ibrahim Ali was and is not Umno. He was an outsider.
IA was with the Semangat 46 camp during KuLi’s time. IA later returned to Umno but was sacked in 2003 and contested the 2004 election as an Independent. In the 2008 election, he won the Pasir Mas seat on a PAS ticket.
Party affiliation-wise, IA has been estranged from Umno for more than a decade and his relationship with the party in the past was also patchy (Ibrahim is ex-ISA).
Only someone who practices the Porky Principle like you would insist to compare on the same footing Umno support for Saifuddin in Temerloh with any possible Umno local support for IA in Pasir Mas. Surely the Umno local machinery would not work for IA the same way they would for their own Umno warlord.
(The same thing happened with Zaid Ibrahim when he parachuted into the Hulu Selangor by-election. The local PKR guy Dr Halili Rahmat was so upset for being overlooked that he defected to Umno, and Zaid’s campaign was furthermore internally sabotaged by the PKR, e.g. the kaki botol doctored pix).
re: “Relationships can sour after a year in politics. Especially when contracts and projects are a bit slow in coming to their side. ;-) ”
Do you have any proof that the Perkasa leaders asked for contracts and projects from Umno? Why would Umno give contracts and projects to Perkasa?
re: “Hey, you claimed that Malaysian Insider spoiled Mukhriz’s chances of a victory in an internal party election. The onus is on the accuser to provide the burden of proof.”
TMI was guilty of fitnah. I said the fitnah likely had a negative impact on Mukhriz. You’re arguing that it didn’t.
Although I can’t quantify the impact, i.e. how many votes Mukhriz might have lost because of it, but the fact that they (TMI at that time was pro-KJ) resorted to gutter tactics indicated that they thought that might be some damage to Mukhriz’s chances. Or else why do it?
It’s the same case with the fitnah against Chew Mei Fun during the Kajang by-election. If the fitnah was not calculated to be damaging (again we can’t quantify how many Malay votes exactly CMF lost due to the fitnah disseminated through posters and flyers), why do it?
re: “Stick to the issue. The TMI readers nor the public do not vote in the Umno party elections.”
Hey, you stick to the issue! You’re the one who expanded on TMI by bringing up Jahabar Sadiq’s name. So when you talk about TMI it’s okay but when I talk about TMI, I’m accused of diverging from the issue? Typical double standards.
It is worse. Utusan is targeting one whole race, a quarter of the population. The report on the fatwa only affects a government department at worse.
re: “Utusan has lost numerous court cases in recent years or have been caught pants down straight out lying.”
That’s because Guan Eng and Anwar are lawsuit happy.
When Najib wants to sue the alternative media, he is admonished by Tun who said that when he (Dr M) was prime minister, he never sued anybody. Umno is too tidak apa to go to court, and when they do, they’re willing to settle easily with a apology, like withdrawing with their suit against Tian Chua over the latter’s Lahad Datu fitnah.
Mukhriz let off TMI easy with an apology. Umno people are not kiasu enough. That’s why Utusan faces more lawsuits by the kiasu Pakatan compared to TMI or J-Star from the establishment.
re: “Only the first few rows appear to be chanting and raising their fists. The people in the background seem to be looking on. A few hundred at most, and certainly not a thousand.”
The shouting is very loud, sustained and the pandemonium comes from all directions, not just limited to “the first few rows” as you claim but also including from the upper levels (see 0:17).
re: “Point out where did I say that Saifuddin is not a loser.”
Yeah, like the way you tegakkan benang basah on “Allah s.a.w”. Excuses, excuses – “Saifuddin Abdullah does not have the leverage and privilege of being an ex-Prime Minister’s son”.
As usual, a million and one excuses blooming from Helen Ang.
“That was the paragraph where I used the word “outsiders“. My use of the word “outsiders” went together with the phrases “two party system””
“It is very obvious that that when I said Ibrahim Ali was an “outsider”, I meant that he was an Independent…”
Helen Ang employing the porky principle that she loves to accuse others of. ;-)
Come back when you have more excuses to excuse Ibrahim Ali bigger loss than Saifuddin. Budak sekolah rendah pre-UPSR pun tahu Ibrahim Ali is a bigger loser berbanding Saifuddin. No need to berbelit-belit and putar, ok? ;-)
“I said the fitnah likely had a negative impact on Mukhriz.”
Proof please.
“Although I can’t quantify the impact, i.e. how many votes Mukhriz might have lost because of it, but the fact that they (TMI at that time was pro-KJ) resorted to gutter tactics indicated that they thought that might be some damage to Mukhriz’s chances. Or else why do it?”
Proof please.
“It’s the same case with the fitnah against Chew Mei Fun during the Kajang by-election. If the fitnah was not calculated to be damaging (again we can’t quantify how many Malay votes exactly CMF lost due to the fitnah disseminated through posters and flyers), why do it?”
Proof please.
“Hey, you stick to the issue! You’re the one who expanded on TMI by bringing up Jahabar Sadiq’s name. So when you talk about TMI it’s okay but when I talk about TMI, I’m accused of diverging from the issue? Typical double standards.”
You brought up TMI first. Show proof that their article on Mukhriz caused Umno delegates to change their mind and vote someone else.
“When Najib wants to sue the alternative media, he is admonished by Tun who said that when he (Dr M) was prime minister, he never sued anybody.”
Why sue? Tun had the apparatus to shut down newspapers and media that were not in lockstep with his ideology.
“The shouting is very loud, sustained and the pandemonium comes from all directions, not just limited to “the first few rows” as you claim”
It appears to be no more than a hundred people angry that Mahathir’s Son had lost. Two hundred at most.
“but also including from the upper levels (see 0:17).”
Hahahaha. I see only one guy on the upper floor shouting at 0:17, and perhaps the cameraman too. ;-)
The crowds in the background appear to be looking on.
re: “As usual, a million and one excuses blooming from Helen Ang.”
As usual, the stench of porkiness and putar-belit is emanating from AC-DC.
re: “Helen Ang employing the porky principle that she loves to accuse others of.”
AD-DC is giving everyone here a Show-and-Tell of how the Porky Principle is practiced by the anal retentive “ultra kiasu”.
re: “Come back when you have more excuses to excuse Ibrahim Ali bigger loss than Saifuddin.”
Come back when you can convince readers that Saifuddin is not a loser.
re: “Budak sekolah rendah pre-UPSR pun tahu Ibrahim Ali is a bigger loser berbanding Saifuddin. No need to berbelit-belit and putar, ok?”
Like I said, you’re giving an invaluable demonstration. It’s quite hard to explain the traits possessed by the “what kind of people are they”. So I must thank you for modelling the Porky Principle so that fence-sitters can see for themselves.
re: “I said the fitnah likely had a negative impact on Mukhriz.” / “Proof please.”
We already know that AC-DC and his ilk not only condone fitnah but engage in it.
“Although I can’t quantify the impact, i.e. how many votes Mukhriz might have lost because of it, but the fact that they (TMI at that time was pro-KJ) resorted to gutter tactics indicated that they thought that might be some damage to Mukhriz’s chances. Or else why do it?” / “Proof please.”
Dear Melayus, the Alvivi Bak Kut Teh is halal chicken. Before you get angry, please prove that it is pork.
“It’s the same case with the fitnah against Chew Mei Fun during the Kajang by-election. If the fitnah was not calculated to be damaging (again we can’t quantify how many Malay votes exactly CMF lost due to the fitnah disseminated through posters and flyers), why do it?” / “Proof please.”
Why fabricate such a evil lie against Chew Mei Fun? She made a police report. The defamatory flyers were distributed in Kajang’s Malay areas. And the concurrent smear campaign was carried out against her in the Chinese social media.
Your dismissive reaction pooh-poohing her ordeal just underscores what kind of people you are. Repulsive and revolting!
re: “You brought up TMI first. Show proof that their article on Mukhriz caused Umno delegates to change their mind and vote someone else.”
Why shouldn’t I bring up TMI? We’re talking about Saifuddin’s votes and Mukhriz’s votes. On the eve of polling, TMI defamed Mukhriz by saying he was buying votes.
I mentioned TMI and you responded by bringing up its editor’s name. But then you turn around and claim that TMI is out of topic. Once again, thank you for the Show & Tell. Even the most lurus bendul reader can now see how licik the Yahudi Yeohs are.
re: “Tun had the apparatus to shut down newspapers and media that were not in lockstep with his ideology.”
During Tun’s tenure, Ops Lalang caused The Sneaky Star to be suspended. Tun is more canny. That’s why he managed to stay in power 22 years. Ah Jib Gor is clueless and allows the EvangeliSTAR to continue backstabbing the BN. So let’s see how long he lasts.
re: “It appears to be no more than a hundred people angry that Mahathir’s Son had lost. Two hundred at most.”
Yahudi Yeohs only hear what they want to hear. It was pandemonium. Readers can listen for themselves.
re: “Hahahaha. I see only one guy on the upper floor shouting at 0:17, and perhaps the cameraman too. ;-)”
So now you say there’s someone shouting from the upper floor. Earlier you claimed only “the first few rows” were making noise.
re: “The crowds in the background appear to be looking on.”
Well, you missed the 0:17 guy earlier, didn’t you? Maybe you should go back and take another look at others in the crowd behind “the first few rows” when the camera pans the Dewan.
“AD-DC is giving everyone here a Show-and-Tell of how the Porky Principle is practiced by the anal retentive “ultra kiasu”.”
Helen Ang is giving a perfect example of how she belit, shift goalpost and putar to get herself out of a jam. No wonder none of her articles are printed in the media… she would be blown to pieces by the response shooting down her poor facts.
More likely she will blow herself up as she shows that she is incapable of taking criticism and debate.
“Come back when you can convince readers that Saifuddin is not a loser.”
Ibrahim Ali and Zulkifli are bigger losers with bigger loss margins.
“re: “I said the fitnah likely had a negative impact on Mukhriz.” / “Proof please.”
We already know that AC-DC and his ilk not only condone fitnah but engage in it.”
In summary: Helen Ang is unable to provide proof that TMI contributed to Mukhriz’s loss.
“I mentioned TMI and you responded by bringing up its editor’s name. But then you turn around and claim that TMI is out of topic.”
Still no proof that TMI contributed to Mukhriz’s loss? As usual, another million and one excuses from Helen Ang.
“Yahudi Yeohs only hear what they want to hear. It was pandemonium. Readers can listen for themselves.”
Helen Ang only sees what she wants to see. Just a mere few rows and no more than a couple hundred people upset that their idol did not win. They scream louder than they can win. The rest in the background wondering who those sore losers are.
“So now you say there’s someone shouting from the upper floor. Earlier you claimed only “the first few rows” were making noise.”
Ah, so you admit there is only one or two people on the upper balcony making noise?
No wonder you got upset when Najib called certain groups of bloggers “bangang”. Tersepit lidah bercabang sendiri. :)
“Maybe you should go back and take another look at others in the crowd behind “the first few rows” when the camera pans the Dewan.”
Who seem to be onlookers at the commotion and circus.
re: “Helen Ang is giving a perfect example of how she belit, shift goalpost and putar to get herself out of a jam.”
As usual, you Yahudi Yeohs are projecting your own personal traits, like when you shout “Racist! Racist! Racist!” at the Malays.
re: “No wonder none of her articles are printed in the media… she would be blown to pieces by the response shooting down her poor facts.”
If by media you’re referring to TMI and Malaysiakini, then everyone here is already quite familiar with how the hysterical Dapster horde only shoots blanks but are long on vitriol. Like the more than 1,000 torrent of invectives against Alifah Ting Abdullah, all from one single (and related) report.
re: “More likely she will blow herself up as she shows that she is incapable of taking criticism and debate.”
You don’t hear me vomiting the eff word, unlike your Dapster friends.
re: “Ibrahim Ali and Zulkifli are bigger losers with bigger loss margins.”
Yawn. IA is not rejected by his own ‘party’ (organization) unlike Saifuddin who is roundly rejected by Umno.
re: “In summary: Helen Ang is unable to provide proof that TMI contributed to Mukhriz’s loss.”
It’s a fact that TMI libelled Mukhriz and Mukhriz threatened to sue and TMI apologized. That you’re being so ultra kiasu masih mahu tegakkan benang basah is a testimony of your YY character.
re: “Still no proof that TMI contributed to Mukhriz’s loss? As usual, another million and one excuses from Helen Ang.”
Sigh. Orang Melayu, sila bagi bukti kukuh bahawa Bak Kut Teh yang disyorkan oleh Alvivi itu pada tempoh hari bukan masakan halal yang diperbuat daripada ayam.
re: “Helen Ang only sees what she wants to see. Just a mere few rows and no more than a couple hundred people upset that their idol did not win. They scream louder than they can win. The rest in the background wondering who those sore losers are.”
People have ears. They can listen and see for themselves.
re: “Ah, so you admit there is only one or two people on the upper balcony making noise?”
So what about your earlier claim that only “the first few rows” were making noise”?
re: “No wonder you got upset when Najib called certain groups of bloggers ‘bangang’.”
Ah Jib Gor calling bloggers “bangang” is like Khairy calling the Umno grassroots (those without high positions in the party) “the lowest of the low”.
As for who was upset, I already mentioned that my posting about the Umno prez opening fire on his own troops went viral with more than 3,000 Facebook shares and over 15,000 page views in a single day. And for days afterwards, the reverberations were felt across Malay blogosphere.
You’re not very smart nor savvy to try and spin it into something personal, i.e. purportedly that I’m upset with Najib. The stats (15k hits on that particular article within 24 hours) signals that he upset a whole lot of people and don’t say that it was read by 15,000 blogger-blogger bangang yang terkesan, okay.
re: “Who seem to be onlookers at the commotion and circus.”
Go on. Keep mocking the Malays. Tick tock, tick tock.