The DAP politicians who have access to Penang and Selangor state resources are earnestly evangelizing the kids and teenagers and young adults.
DAP’s Serdang MP, the evangelista Ong Kian Ming @imokman, made an appearance at a church camp in Malacca.
BELOW: Hannah Yeoh receiving an RM12,000 cheque on behalf of the Kingdom Christian Fellowship Bhd
Everywhere you turn, there she is
Hannah Yeoh is preaching everywhere in every kind of church, and especially targeting the youngsters.
The impressionable Chinese youth are all agog to meet her and hear her speak and “share”.
MCA’s media machinery aka the Nest of Evangelistas with their extensive communications network is heavily promoting Madame Speaker.
The evangelistas control the English-language media to the point of chokehold.
“We’re gonna serve the Lord” – Hannah Yeoh
@hannahyeoh: “Hubby & I both preaching in different services today. As for me & my house, we’re gonna serve the Lord… Have a good day at church!” – HERE
Hannah and her husband both preach. She has preached in Cheras while he has preached in Seri Kembangan.
They preach not only in Selangor but in other states too. She preached in the Sitiawan Methodist Church, Perak and was in Sarawak as well.
“Praise the Lord! (PTL)” – Hannah Yeoh
The networking of the DAP evangelistas is superb. They hook up and transmit from one church to another.
The Love Subang Pastors’ Fellowship received “a generous lovegift from City Harvest KL” towards establishing their Dream Village.
Malays are hardly even aware that there are so many churches just in Subang Jaya Evangelista Central alone.
Here is Hannah at the City Revival Church, Subang Jaya
Here is Hannah at the Evangelical Baptist Church, Subang Jaya
Here is Hannah at the Good Shepherd Church, Subang Jaya
She was also spotted sitting in the front row of the Full Gospel Tabernacle Church in Subang Jaya (HERE), on stage at the City Harvest Church in Subang Jaya (HERE) and giving a talk in the Damansara Utama Methodist Church/DUMC (HERE).
Hannah goes to Bukit Beruntung to visit Pastor Packiam’s church
Hannah receives a home visit from the St Thomas More Church carollers
No “divisiveness”, politics and religion joined seamlessly
@hannahyeoh is asked, “why is a politician preaching in church? separation of religion from politics konon” – see HERE
@hannahyeoh is also asked, “YB’ from my understanding today u officiate church event and using this platform to talk mb crisis?” – see HERE
@hannahyeoh is also asked whether it was okay for her “to talk like a forum at church”.
The DAP evangelistas use the Church as their political base and platform.
Politics in church by the creepy Christians
“lots of decisions [regarding MPSJ matters] were made in church”, Mark Varughese informed @hannahyeoh.
Hannah Yeoh’s personal assistants are ardent Christians as are Teresa Kok’s.
A lot of the pastors “maximize the Internet for their sheep-care nowadays”.
They’re so freaking efficient and effective that its downright creepy!
Charismatic Christians like Hannah are the creepiest!
The charismatics are the most immersed in “speaking in tongues”.
They are at the far end of mainline denominations and almost resemble cults.
Some of the churches are so politicized that in May 2013, they were willing to adjust their day of worship from the traditional Sunday, to Saturday, just so that their members can travel and vote “ini kali lah”.
The reason DAP evangelista politicians are so bold to do their politicking in the mosques and suraus is because they’re merely transferring the methods that they use in church.
Hannah Yeoh tweeted about a teenager who declared his faith in Jesus the morning of the same day that he departed (died).
@hannahyeoh = DAP SuperCyber Bully
Not only are Buddhists almost invisible, you hardly ever hear a squeak from them even.
It is the Christians who dominate Facebook and Twitter and they’re the ones waging the political psywar. Most of the provocation in the social media and in the portals (where they rule) come from them.
They been harassing me online like a gang of cyber thugs. They move like wolf / loyar packs in Twitterjaya. (Promo: Iain Buchanan’s The Armies of God – A Study in Militant Christianity)
Below is Hannah Yeoh’s Ah Bong Gor @bongkersz who called me a racist and other nasty things. They’re so creepy.
Recommended read:
Evangelistas believe Chinese are God’s new ‘Chosen People’
The Conquistadors conquered South America and destroyed the Incan, Mayan and Aztec civilizations.
The pilgrim Christians conquered North America and decimated the native American tribes.
The conquering Christians have left a trail of destruction in their long, bloody history of conquest of other lands to create ‘New Worlds’.
Helen Ang 
… they have be con to believed ‘image of Jesus ‘ at SJMC window when it just nature made due to cleaning etc and YET THEY TRULY BELEVED IT JESSUS and they crowded SJMC for that, crying with tears etc etc etc you named it.
That ‘scared’ window is then taken away for ‘Safe Keeping’.
What if some one ‘Shit’ or a dog or Elephant shit or peeing at the wall and oh….it resemble the image of . . So they will crowded that area and do what they always do …same as at SJMC??
It easy to con the youngster who have been lost in the world of today where ‘enjoyment’ is the motto. Should have internet during Jesus time …
re: “they have be con to believed ‘image of Jesus ‘ at SJMC window”
Not Jesus. They believed the image was the Virgin Mary.
It happened in Subang Jaya. Those living in Hannah Yeoh’s constituency overdose on J-Juice.
Helen, cer u tanya Mdm speaker & her DAP co. their opinion on this : http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2015/03/06/Netizens-blast-two-Msian-IS-fighters-Duo-involved-in-beheading-video-a-disgrace-to-nation-say-social/
Which side do they think these teen melayu jihadist wannabes would support; BN or PAS/PR ?? Assuming they support BN, upon graduate fr IS Univ. and return home, would the duo be kind to the likes of Mdm speaker & her cohorts ?? Gracias
Actually, the ones who were doing the pilgrimage to SJMC are the more “traditional” Roman Catholics who venerate the Virgin Mary.. They are not the evangelical type.
Wouldn’t it be funny if Christianity is actually the true representation of God. Just saying…would love to see the expression on the faces of a lot of people, especially the die hard anti Christians in Malaysia who when they die, find out that the Christian God is God. Obviously none of us actually know which religion is the true one, and it’s just a belief system at this stage, but I would find it hilarious if Christianity is the true faith.
So Alan, are you laughing yet?
Why believe there is God? It’s simpler to bear a cavalier sense of humor about life and death.
re: “Obviously none of us actually know which religion is the true one, and it’s just a belief system at this stage, but I would find it hilarious if Christianity is the true faith.”
Why did Paul change the commandments of God – Birth of pagan Trinitarian Christianity and the Banishment of the Unitarian followers of Jesus the Messiah under the Law of Moses.
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Learn the proper history of Christianity before you spout such bs. It amazes me that you support a religion that denies the crucifixion of Christ, when it’s generally accepted as a historical fact. Islam claims to be a religion without compulsion, but clearly that’s not the case, in Malaysia at least, whereby a Muslim is forced to remain a Muslim even if they may want to convert to something else.
I don’t know which religion is the true one, and nobody knows, That’s right, none of your Imans know or can prove that Islam is the true religion. Might be total bs. Neither can Catholic priests, Budhist monks or anyone else for that matter prove that their respective religion is the absolute truth.
Alan,
‘Islam claims to be a religion without compulsion’
i would say that islam is not against freedom of choice, it respects human rights. there are many verses to prove that and i just want to quote two of them as follows:
018.029 ‘Say: (It is) the truth from the Lord of you (all). Then whosoever will, let him believe, and whosoever will, let him disbelieve. Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers Fire. Its tent encloseth them. If they ask for showers, they will be showered with water like to molten lead which burneth the faces. Calamitous the drink and ill the resting-place’
004.137 ‘Lo! those who believe, then disbelieve and then (again) believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never pardon them, nor will He guide them unto a way’.
i cannot find even a single verse proclaiming that once a person who believes in islam is prohibited from changing his faith. and the worldly penalty for leaving the faith is also never prescribed in the quran.
so, it is not like the eagle’s hotel california lyrics.
I said Islam is a religion of compulsion in Malaysia. If you are a Muslim, you cannot convert to another religion, as Lina Joy found out. Likewise, someone marrying a Muslim is also forced into conversion to the Islamic faith. Sounds like compulsion, bro. So either Islam is a religion of compulsion, or UMNO/BN has manipulated Islam to serve their own purpose. If the second statement is true, then I don’t know why Muslims are still supporting them as they have performed a great sin towards Islam.
Read out all the scriptures and then compare which one is more logical. It might seem like bs to you but as you said, no one can tell. And if they turn out to be right, won’t you be in ds?
Not really bro. I have used my common sense and have come to the honest conclusion that we can never know, unless God himself comes and reveals his true nature directly to us. I have come to this conclusion in a sincere and logical manner, so if God wants to punish me for it, then I am obviously powerless. But I believe that God represents the epitome of logical and critical thinking, and hence will judge each and every one on merit, and hence I should be ok, or I hope at least.
I can’t say that I have read all the scriptures to date. Have not read the Vedas, the Taoist readings, the Sikh scriptures etc. I have read more of the Bible than I have read the Quran, and can honestly say that I find the Bible to be more compelling, coherent and inspired. Again, this is just an opinion, and I have not given the Quran the same time that I have devoted to reading the Bible. In saying that, I still can’t categorically or sincerely tell you that Christianity is the true religion.
But I hope that you heed your own advice and do read all the scriptures as well, before you come to the conclusion on which the correct religion is. Cos most Muslims and Christians have only read one book, and are certain that that book is Truth.
‘But I believe that God represents the epitome of logical and critical thinking’
So human beings OPERATE the same too?
I think it is fairly obvious that you have absolute certainty which is the “true faith” , ie the one you profess.
And yet try to represent that you are supposedly like everyone else who is not sure which religion is true? Clever boy.
You are one of the more advanced ones, I must say.
Anyway, I’m not a pukul rata anti everything Christian. In fact there are immeasurable good teachings from the monotheistic faiths. But I do think that the ego-driven insidious proselytizing actions of some churches has caused havoc in Malaysian Chinese society and is now bleeding its poison into other segments in our country.
I don’t hate you and I don’t need you to love me. I just would like you to stop. Can you do that?
‘But I do think that the ego-driven insidious proselytizing actions of some churches has caused havoc in Malaysian Chinese society and is now bleeding its poison into other segments in our country.’
Malays and Indians next.
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/penang-cm-condemns-spread-of-booklet-on-life-of-married-jesus-as-deviant
These are the extremely agressive Christian “moderates” in the mould of Wong Chun Wai.
DAP = PAS for christian yet wearing secular mask
Where do you get the figure from? JPN??? Most young malaysian chinese are christian?????? Please do not “fitnah” without fact and figure!!!! Like I say before “do not be a bitch”!!!!!
Macam kera kena belacan aje.
hahahahaha…helen. biarpun si puss ni tak agree, beliau sebenarnya cuma cuba menegakkan benang basah. pada saya memang betul kenyataan anda bahawa majoriti anak-anak muga bangsa cina memang pro-evangelis@kristian.
sekalipun mereka tidak (sebenarnya belum) beragama kristian skrg ini, mereka tetap pro-kristian, menunggu masa aje untuk declare.
saya bercakap berdasarkan apa yang berlaku dalam ‘famili’ sendiri.
‘dua orang kakak@chinese yang saya kenal ialah penganut ‘budhha’ manakala kesemua anak-anak mereka yang memang ‘educated-graduanlah katakan’…..menganut kristian atau paling tidak mereka pro kepada church.
ironinya, dua orang kakak yang saya kenal ini kata anak-anak mereka masuk kristian takpe, asalkan bukan masuk islam…. mereka kata, kalau masuk islam itu maknanya masuk melayu!
puss tak percaya lantak dialah!
betul tu alwi. kita bukannya ada masalah sangat dengan kristian. tapi dengan geng2 evangelis ni. sama la status mereka ni dengan IS atau Taliban tu.
sekurang2nya IS atau Taliban tu jujur jugak dalam buat kerja jahat mereka. tapi evangelis ni depan tunjuk baik. love, love, god, god. bagi derma. buat rumah kebajikan. tapi kat belakang plot jatuhkan kerajaan secara halus.
mereka tak peduli norma dan budaya sedia ada masyarakat setempat. semua mesti ikut cara mereka. no sense of belonging at all.
yang pelik takde sense of belonging tapi tak malu nak duduk kat Negara yang dikatakan menindas dan layan mereka 2nd class. bila suruh pindah kalau tak puas hati tau melenting plak.
yang lagi pelik ada pulak melayu islam yang sokong geng2 ni.
Budak cina kalau bukan kristian pun ada nama kristian.
Nama omputih.
Budak bukan Cina macam Marina (Mahathir) pun nama Barat juga. Adik perempuannya nama Melinda Mahathir.
ahah..I pon nk tergelak baca perumpamaan you ni. Lama dah tak guna. Even the meaning is vague to me.
I did not know that most Chinese are Christians, as claimed, until lately. Although my school principals back then were either the brothers or the sisters, they did not influence us to embrace their belief. What happens now is quite shocking if it is true inspite of the nuns an priests have already left for their countries decades ago. That should be the power of the internet.
Out of curiosity, I asked a few from the different age brackets, teenagers to the forties, among the Chinese. The answer are either, not sure, non-believer, atheist or they just laughed. In conclusion, some may not believe in any religion but follows the crowd so as not to be left out. Whilst some others try to conceal their true identity worried of some repercussions. Nevertheless, it does not matter what their beliefs are, as long as they do not meddle into others’ religion or impose their values on others since certain values might differ between religions.
‘They preach not only in Selangor but in other states too. She preached in the Sitiawan Methodist Church, Perak and was in Sarawak as well.’
Next stop is some Orang Asli post, if they haven’t already.
I’m sure they already have.
Of course they have –
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/cabinet-must-order-return-of-hymn-books-in-johor-says-dap
Ms H. The truth now slowly dawns in the minds of the Singaporeans and some astute and observant Malaysians and the World that the Ruler’s (1959-2015) balmy squeaky clean tropical isle is just a RICH CUBA. Here is how it was done exactly like what the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP is doing in our beloved Malaysia.
In 1959, the Ruler came into power on the backs of the Communists or the Fajar Generation. By 1962, these leftists were all locked up through Operation Cold Store on the advice of our beloved Tunku through his emissary Tan Sri Dr C.C. Too the highest ranking Chinese Adviser on Counter-Insurgency. Fast trek to 2015, we now have the godless Ultra Communist Political and Social System imposed on the citizens by the Apparatchiks. Who is going to control this cash rich humongous System with the fading of the Dynasty ?
The Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP used recalcitrant shopkeepers and other unknowns in the past. But now as you rightly pointed out the de-tribalised and hollow young Chinese have become the front-line troops for the Family. Time will tell that it does not pay to be aggressive and recalcitrant at such a young age in an age when all of us are expected to live up to 100 ! Acheh ! But unfortunately, all these young folks think we will die first. I have a list of 53 names who died before me and the youngest was just 39 !
Our tested and reliable political System, the FREE MALAYSIAN STYLE DEMOCRACY WITH OPEN CAPITALISTIC CHARACTERISTICS stood the test of time. No one realises that Malaysia has a different political System until I brought this up in 2014 afte many years of study. The Ruler’s (1959-2015) godless ULTRA COMMUNIST POLITICAL AND SOCIAL SYSTEM is as different as chalk and cheese when compared with ours.
Therefore, why the very rich PKR and the very good PAS both believed in our World’s Best Political System go to bed with the WORLD’S WORST POLITICAL SYSTEM as represented on our shores, the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP ?
Helen condemns Christianity and hates on Christians for the millionth time….yawn
Ms H. I am not against any religion. But I have observed that Christianity is like opium to the Chinese. It is completely alien to the Chinese whose monolithic 5,000 years of customs and culture forms a huge barrier.
The present voodoo choral singing Christian types is just a passing fancy to collect money by the leaders. No doubt that in time it will fade like all those money scams concocted by the Chinese in the past.
This religion was tried out in Africa to subdue the tribes in the 19th Century. It failed. This has now caused chaos in borderless Africa.
Christianity:
Jesus’ teachings or Paul’s cult?
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To all truth seekers,
Honestly any Tom, Dick and Harry should asked these self appointed church HOLYSEE. Where does in their Holy Bible King James version that Jesus have asked people to become a Christian?
Most obvious they should also asked these “His/ Her Holiness” Politician that regularly preached in their church. What really was the Father Abraham faith? Why does “The Name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost was not part of the biblical teaching after all? Who is or was the bloke that created this NAMES?
We dared these wannabe Christian to question their local priest to inquire all these paramount questions and do not forget to observe the facial expression of their HOLYSEE priest when they tried to give an answer should they being fired with barrage of unanswered QUESTION !!!
That is what she is best at these days apparently.
I even find her title “Most young Chinese in Malaysia are Christian” to be highly inaccurate. Where are the statistics? Where is the evidence and data? All we get are a series of Twitter screencaps.
Most of the bloggers here don’t need data or evidence, bro. They seem united in their hatred of all things Christian. The fact that these articles have had so much support is a clear proof of that.
What are you guys talking about? Obviously everything she wrote is absolutely 110% true. Due to severe indoctrination, you defenders of all things christian are just in self-denial.
Show me then how those tweet screenshots that Helen has posted are in any way a threat to Islam. Also show me how she came about in claiming that most young Malaysian Chinese are Christian? No statistics or relevant concrete data was given. I can see no evidence whatsoever in her article that supports her claims. Can you? I doubt it, but because of your obvious bias, you are happy to believe that it’s a 110% true.
OK fine it’s not 110% true. But without a shadow of a doubt it is 109% true. Stop being such a narcissist.
I figured correctly. You are full of hot air and no substance whatsoever. When pressed for evidence and facts, you have nothing.
For a random data, you could ask 10 or then 100 of your chinese colleagues. You could roughly deduce based on that figure. Even if you conduct a survey, there is no guarantee that the followers would own up, may be due to some hidden motives. Btw, why are many comments here seem to be on the defensive mode. I guess Helen must have had her own justification before deducing her conclusion. Is there any difference wether a chinese is a Christian, Budhist or whatever religion. As muslims our main concern is, stay out of our religion. Could be Helen had endured some bitter experience imposed by some aggresors.
Did anyone here really write it that he hates christianity. It is just that, others believe that everybody should be left alone with their own belief, instead of being harassed by any particular clan or cult such as by imposing their values and belief on others. Common la weii..even the real mat sallehs pon were very decent and civilised in their approach back in the 60s, 70s or 80s. This is what we call, lebih kuah dari sudu. Or you could say it is about a new-found faith and the followers behave like new brooms.
two-facesm = too fascism
Huh?
It annoys me that Islam and Muslims are somehow spared from any criticism in Malaysia, just because it’s meant to be the religion of the federation. This allows some, and I mean a minority of Muslim leaders/followers to say anything that they choose, even to the point where minority religions are insulted, and get away with it.
The statement from that Isma fellow yesterday criticising and belittling non Muslims for questioning the distribution of free Qur’ans is a case in point. Surely this guy should have been at least investigated for inciting tension and hatred. But no, one rule for the protected Muslims, and another for the evil others, especially the big, bad Christians. Pathetic and unfair!
Tit for tat.Holland,for e.g.
“Islam and Muslims are somehow spared from any criticism in Malaysia …” Say what?
Seriously, where have you been over the last few months or has it been years? Criticizing Muslims for defending kalimah Allah, criticizing Jakim over khutbah Jumaat, using verses from the Quran willy-nilly to criticise the Muslims during elections and a whole lot more.
Getting away with insulting minority religion? Really? If a Malay or muslim were to even criticise the way a minority pick on Islam, there’ll be a slew of police reports against him and endless slamming on the media until he backs down and apologise or get charged in court.
Criticizing JAIS too over khutbah Jumaat on the topic of tutup aurat.
Criticizing IIS for wanting to distribute the one million free copies of the Quran.
Criticizing UiTM for organizing the Christology seminar.
Criticizing imams and scholars who quote Surah Al-Baqarah.
Helen, we all know that you only support Islam as it’s the religion of the majority? If Malaysia was a Christian country and Islam was a minority religion, you would be attacking the Muslims. Are you seriously upset about Christians complaining about the distributions of 1 million Qurans? If 1 million bible were to be distributed, there would not be one Church left standing. Such hypocrites the lot of you, especially Helen. We all know that Muslims in Malaysia constantly bully and chastise the minority religions, not the other way round. The Allah issue was case in point, where they suddenly decided to take ownership of a word and become the laughing stock of the world.
re: “Helen, we all know that you only support Islam as it’s the religion of the majority?”
(a) I side with the underdog. The Christians in Malaysia are bullying the Muslims. The Muslims are feeling besieged. Indian Hindus and Chinese Taoists are also feeling under siege by the aggressive evangelistas.
Christianity is a conquering religion. Look at the bloody and brutal history of the Church and how the ‘pagan’ natives (be it in Asia, Africa, North America, South America) were subjugated by the conquistadors and the colonial masters.
(b) I am in the small minority against the might of the majority. The Chinese are divided 10:90 in terms of allegiance. I belong to the one out of 10 group. The nine out of 10 (DAP evangelistas) numerical superiority are Super Bullies.
re: “If Malaysia was a Christian country and Islam was a minority religion, you would be attacking the Muslims.”
Islam is the religion of the federation – Article 3 of our Federal Constitution. The Agong and the Sultans (including in the state where I live) are under oath to defend and uphold Islam. Article 11 of the FedCon similarly protects Islam.
If you object to these constitutional provisions, then get your MPs to amend the sections disagreeable to you.
Don’t (the DAP evangelista YBs) be bloody hypocrites by wearing tudung, saying “Insya Allah”, quoting the Quran, citing the Hadith and then attempt the highway robber of kalimah ‘Allah’ and use all kinds of sneaky, underhanded methods to undermine the position of Islam.
re: “Are you seriously upset about Christians complaining about the distributions of 1 million Qurans?”
The way the Christians are complaining is rude and insolent. After all, it was the Christians who first used the storyboard – why are the Muslims so weak in their faith and so easily confused that just by holding a Bible in their hand, they fear their religious beliefs would be threatened.
Well, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Flip the standard argument around and we get – Why are the Christians so weak in their faith and so easily confused that just by holding a Quran in their hand, they fear their religious beliefs would be threatened.
Even if the free copy of Quran was to be graciously accepted, what harm does it do the non-Muslim recipient? After all, aren’t the love-love-love Christians always preaching about building bridges and fostering inter-faith relationships?
Again, what bloody hypocrites.
re: “If 1 million bible were to be distributed, there would not be one Church left standing.”
If you’re going to be paranoid about the easy availability of Qurans, then don’t blame the Muslims for being suspicious about the Christian insistence on using kalimah Allah.
re: “Such hypocrites the lot of you, especially Helen.”
Mirror.
re: “We all know that Muslims in Malaysia constantly bully and chastise the minority religions, not the other way round.”
The Muslims in Malaysia are in the majority Malays. If it were Muslims of other races, I do not think the patience and tolerance would have stretched this far and until today.
re: “The Allah issue was case in point, where they suddenly decided to take ownership of a word and become the laughing stock of the world.”
Why do you want to use an Arabic name in a bahasa Melayu bible? Tak reti bahasa kebangsaan ke? Go look up the dictionary – Tuhan.
Oh Helen, I just read that drivel and I can’t believe that you actually believe that. In fact, I am certain that you don’t. Helen, Christianity, like Islam has had a shady past. Funny that you didn’t feel the need to bring up Islam’s all conquering past however. Anyway, we are debating the present and not the past.
“I side with the underdog. The Christians in Malaysia are bullying the Muslims. The Muslims are feeling besieged.”
This certainly takes the cake. I almost fell of my chair when I read that. Didn’t hear from you when the bibles and Christian Cd’s were confiscated. Why did you not stick up for the Christians then? Or was that allowed in your book? If this wasn’t a clear case of Christianity being undermined by the Muslims, then I don’t know what is. The silly ban on the word “Allah” was only confined to the Catholic Herald, not Bibles and cd’s, so why weren’t you up in arms and fighting for the underdog when the Christians were victimized in this case? How about the numerous cases of Islam being preached to Christian school children in Sabah and Sarawak? Oh well, that’s ok as Islam is the religion of the federation, right?
Helen, the Muslims are not being besieged, and they have nothing to worry about, as you very well know. They are protected by all in sundry, including the constitution, and don’t need your condescending help. Islam is a religion of compulsion in Malaysia, and hence there is no reason for a Muslim to ever fear being converted to another faith, as they are not allowed to convert, even though many would like to. See Lina Joy.
Apart from Eric Paulsen’s stupid, pathetic, and yes, aggravating comments, I can’t see any obvious provocation by Christians towards the Muslims. The “Allah” issue was laughed at by all in sundry, including many prominent overseas and local Muslims, and it was only provocative in the eyes of some self righteous and insecure Muslims. The fact that the Muslims in the country dictated to the Christians as to how they should worship was surely the more concerning issue. Most neutral commentators from around the globe viewed the Christians as the victims. You on the other hand chose to report it the other way round, for obvious reasons.
“and use all kinds of sneaky, underhanded methods to undermine the position of Islam.”
Show me one actual and legitimate example where the position of Islam has been undermined by Christians in Malaysia. Are Christians asking for Christianity to be given equal footing with Islam in the federal constitution, and be recognised as the religion of the federation as well? No, I see no such thing.
“The way the Christians are complaining is rude and insolent”
Can you honestly tell me that there wouldn’t be a mountain of angst and protests amongst the Muslims if a million bibles were about to be distributed? You know the answer to that, but your obvious hatred of all things Christian and your pandering to the Muslims prevents you in being objective.
In any case, I have no issues with a billion Qurans being distributed, if all holy books, from all different faiths were allowed the same latitude. But as you can see based on the pathetic and childish way the Muslims reacted to the “Allah” issue, this could never take place in Malaysia. One rule for the Muslims, and another for the rest.
“Even if the free copy of Quran was to be graciously accepted, what harm does it do the non-Muslim recipient? After all, aren’t the love-love-love Christians always preaching about building bridges and fostering inter-faith relationships?”
Hmmm, same issue. You jumped up and down during the “Allah” scandal, but quite happy to let this slide. Still not seeing your own hypocrisy?
re: “Christianity, like Islam has had a shady past”
Both are religions of the sword. They share the same Abrahamic roots.
re: “Funny that you didn’t feel the need to bring up Islam’s all conquering past however.”
Islam is about submission to Allah’s will. A fair enough description. The Muslims in Malaysia are always trying to carry out God’s will or what they interpret to be God’s will, such as hudud.
Christianity, on the other hand, is being peddled here as “Love thy neighbour” and “Turn the other cheek” both of which are false descriptions.
To borrow a favourite phrase of the Firsters (see within quote marks), the evangelistas are “SPEWING HATE” while mouthing love-love-love. Cakap tak serupa bikin. The Muslims more or less match what they say with what they do, i.e. prohibit this and punish that. The Christians practise Doublespeak.
re: “Anyway, we are debating the present and not the past.
The present reality is that Malaysia is a Muslim land but the evangelistas are trying to change this.
re: “Didn’t hear from you when the bibles and Christian Cd’s were confiscated.”
I’ve voiced out many times already. If you don’t want the Bibles to be confiscated, then change the law. After all, Pakatan controls 4/5 (commands a four-fifth majority) of the Selangor state assembly. The Pakatan Aduns have got more than enough power to repeal Selangor’s 1988 Enactment – which is a civil law and not an Islamic law – that bans non-Muslims from using the ‘Allah’ word.
Ask your Selangor Pakatan Aduns to file a motion in the DUN to abolish/amend this particular restrictive state law so that Christians may use the ‘Allah’ word.
Do remember that the Bible Society was raided in Petaling Jaya. After the Bibles were confiscated, the Bible Society decided to move their office to KL because the Federal Territory – which doesn’t have a Sultan – does not have an anti-propagation law like Selangor and the rest of the Malay states.
re: “Why did you not stick up for the Christians then?”
Why don’t your (bloody hypocritical) evangelista YBs stick up for you Christians then? You lot gave them a tsunamic victory. You did not vote for me and I do not represent you.
re: “The silly ban on the word “Allah” was only confined to the Catholic Herald, not Bibles and cd’s”
You forget that our (my state) Sultan has invoked Selangor law to prohibit the circulation of the ‘Allah’ Bibles in his realm. You don’t like HRH’s prohibition, then get your Pakatan 4/5-majority Aduns to UBAH the law. How many times do you have to be told this basic fact, numbskull?
As for other ‘Allah’ Christian materials, as long as the shipment is imported through Port Klang, then our Selangor customs have the right to seize the contraband. Don’t like it, change the law. Or else why did you give your precious vote to Pakatan for? BN does not rule Selangor, Pakatan does.
re: “so why weren’t you up in arms and fighting for the underdog when the Christians were victimized in this case?”
Christians are lawbreakers. The highest court of the land has heard the case through many appeals and adjudged that the law does not favour the Christian demands. Are you saying that our learned Federal Court justices are “victimizing” the Christians?
re: “How about the numerous cases of Islam being preached to Christian school children in Sabah and Sarawak? Oh well, that’s ok as Islam is the religion of the federation, right?”
Sarawak is a Christian-majority state and Islam is not the state religion in Sarawak. As far as I’m aware, Sarawak does not have any state religion.
As for Sabah, I agree that Islam should not be preached to Christian school children.
re: “Helen, the Muslims are not being besieged, and they have nothing to worry about, as you very well know.”
As far as I can tell from the online polls (opinion surveys) that I’ve run in my blog previously, the Malay-Muslims are being freaked out by the evangelistas.
re: “They are protected by all in sundry, including the constitution, and don’t need your condescending help.”
I believe everybody – Malay Muslims, Chinese Buddhists/Taoists, Indian Hindus, Punjabi Sikhs – all need protection from the conniving chameleons.
re: “Islam is a religion of compulsion in Malaysia, and hence there is no reason for a Muslim to ever fear being converted to another faith, as they are not allowed to convert, even though many would like to.”
Why do you say that “many” Muslims in Malaysia “would like to” convert to another faith (Christianity)? How many, pray tell?
re: “See Lina Joy.”
The Christians got to her :) but nonetheless I wish her joy, just like I wish Felixia Yeap well.
re: “Apart from Eric Paulsen’s stupid, pathetic, and yes, aggravating comments, I can’t see any obvious provocation by Christians towards the Muslims.”
Do you know what denomination is Eric Paulsen, since you call him a Christian? (Just curious)
re: “The ‘Allah’ issue was laughed at by all in sundry, including many prominent overseas and local Muslims, and it was only provocative in the eyes of some self righteous and insecure Muslims.’
Oh I see. You take the ‘Allah’ issue as a laughing matter.
Since you all (Christians) always claim that you love your neighbour so much, can you please muster up some sympathy for the “insecure Muslims” and instead of laughing at their insecurity try to give some reassurance?
re: “The fact that the Muslims in the country dictated to the Christians as to how they should worship was surely the more concerning issue.”
In what ways do the Muslims dictate to Christians how you should worship? Do they tell you that you must go to church on Friday (and not Sunday)? Do they stop you from ringing the church bell but ask you to call out a Christian azan in lieu? Do they determine the contents of your sermons? Do they ban Christmas?
re: “Most neutral commentators from around the globe viewed the Christians as the victims.”
Sebab orang Kristian dok pandai merengek … whingers (we’re such a tiny minority, so meek and mild).
re: “You on the other hand chose to report it the other way round, for obvious reasons.”
I obviously see bullies in your ranks.
re: “Show me one actual and legitimate example where the position of Islam has been undermined by Christians in Malaysia.”
https://helenang.wordpress.com/2014/06/27/perjuangan-gereja-yang-belum-selesai-mahukan-melayu-diberi-kebebasan-beragama/
re: “Are Christians asking for Christianity to be given equal footing with Islam in the federal constitution, and be recognised as the religion of the federation as well? No, I see no such thing.”
If Christians respect the FedCon (as you proclaim), then please adhere to Article 11(4) which does not allow the preaching of Christianity to Muslims.
re: “your obvious hatred of all things Christian and your pandering to the Muslims prevents you in being objective”
In what way do I exhibit my “obvious hatred of all things Christian”? Can you find anything derogatory about Jesus that I’ve ever said in this blog? Have I ever said anything bad about God? Have I ever said anything bad about the Vatican or the Pope? Or about the Bible? Or about Christmas? Easter? Sunday school?
I’ve said that the City Harvest Church pastors are being charged in the Singapore court for corruption and criminal breach of trust.
I’ve also said that DAP evangelistas are sneaky bastards. And that some of them obsess too much about food and Bak Kut Teh. And that they have double chins. I don’t think the Born Again, holier-than-thou recent Chinese converts are equivalent to Christianity, are they?
As for your other allegation that I’m “pandering to the Muslims”, do you see me wearing tudung? Do you see me visiting the mosque? Do you hear me wishing “Insya Allah” and waving “Amar Makruf Nahi Mungkar” banners? Do I say that I desire to emulate Khalifah Umar Abdul Aziz? Am I the Twitter queen of hashtag #sahur or do I upload buka puasa pictures in the social media? Or best of all, do I go to the surau during Ramadan to stir an empty pot for a photo ops?
Find out who did all of the activities listed above, then you get your panderers to the Muslims. I do not need any Malay votes. I’m not a politician.
re: “In any case, I have no issues with a billion Qurans being distributed, if all holy books, from all different faiths were allowed the same latitude.”
Sure. Get your Pakatan YBs to change the law. Start with Selangor and Penang where they’ve got an overwhelming majority to successfully push the bill through Dewan.
re: “But as you can see based on the pathetic and childish way the Muslims reacted to the “Allah” issue, this could never take place in Malaysia. One rule for the Muslims, and another for the rest.”
You’re quite right that it’s one rule for the Muslims and another for the rest. So get your Pakatan YBs to change the law. Start in Selangor and Penang so that we can all enjoy Freedom and Equality. I will support you if you’ll call upon your YBs to do this.
re: “You jumped up and down during the ‘Allah’ scandal, but quite happy to let this slide.”
The ‘Allah’ dispute demonstrated how the evangelistas like to equivocate and even tell outright lies.
re: “Still not seeing your own hypocrisy?”
I pity Christians for the mighty trouble brought upon your community all because of the Greed and Gold-digging and Glory-seeking of the evangelista politicians.
Alan, you come across as one fake agnostic do-good wannabe: Mirror mirror on the wall, who writes English like hell?
Imam Malik r.a. counselled us:
“Knowledge does not consist in narrating much. Knowledge is but a light which Allah places in the heart.”
Imam ash-Shafi’i said:
“When some of the people of desires came to Imam Malik ibn Anas, he said:
“As for me, then I am upon clear evidence from my Lord and my Deen. And as for you, who dabble in doubt, go to a doubter and argue with him.”
Don’t worry la Alan… what is 1m copies.. there are over 18m Muslims or more in this country, mana cukup?
Kalo you tersilap dapat a copy, pass kat I.
Amboi mak, year-end berebut2 nak free calender.. entah berapa million copies printed and given free every year… pasai business hang tak jeles pula?
When Muslims are the minority in your beloved western nation, this is what happens –
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/austria/11435388/Austria-passes-controversial-reforms-to-Islam-law-banning-foreign-funding.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8385069.stm
And lets not forget the insult upon insult heaped on our prophet under the guise of freedom of speech.
So, yes it’s our right to have Islam and our rights as Muslims to be protected just because it’s in our constitution. You live in a country, you respect the constitution and laws of the country. If you have the means than you can try to make new laws. Simply put – put up or leave.
Have no idea what you are on about. I was merely commentating on Helen’s insistence on having a go at the so called Christian enemies in Malaysia, that only exists in her head, and not in reality. So what if Helen Yeoh tweets about her love of her faith? Free country isn’t it? What Helen doesn’t seem to understand is that many Muslim politicians seem to do the same thing. I see the actions of either party as non provocative and nothing to get upset about.
Can you honestly tell me that you read her article above and got any real, concrete facts or concerns about the supposed Evangelical threat to Islam? If you did, then you obviously are seeing something in the article that I can’t. All I got from reading the article is the fact that the author has an intense hatred for DAP, and an obvious personal feud with Helen Yeoh.
The old stance of put up or leave is redundant and immature, especially when there is no provocation from the other side. You are just acting like a radicalised Muslim who clearly has a chip on his shoulders about Christianity. Deal with it.
As for taking an isolated incident in the west and highlighting it, well I could do the same about the countless persecutions of other religions in Islamic majority countries. As for the insults thrown at the prophet in some western countries, it’s just a fraction compared to the insults that are thrown at Jesus Christ fyi. Funny how Muslims don’t get upset when Christ is constantly ridiculed in the west, when he is meant to be one of Islam’s greatest prophets as well. Hypocrisy? You bet.
* Should read Hannah Yeoh.
Much of the Christian hoo-haa politics comes from the DAP members of [deleted] City Harvest Church – a mutation of religion with a drive for prosperity and hedonism woven into their “religious” fabric.
Check out her buddy Singapore pastor, Ho Sun’s “spiritual” ruminations ….
http://mothership.sg/2014/10/12-things-sun-ho-said-in-her-interview-with-city-harvest-church-media-that-makes-you-go-err-and-squint-very-hard/
obviously alan did not read the postings here otherwise he would not seem to be lost here. he just writes even before reading others’ comments. he should be contented that helen bothers to answer and layan his remarks at all. Congrat s Helen for having the patience.
re: “All I got from reading the article is the fact that the author has an intense hatred for DAP, and an obvious personal feud with Helen Yeoh.”
(a) Oh, so now you’ve shifted the goalpost to my purportedly “intense hatred for DAP”. Earlier you alleged that I had an “obvious hatred of all things Christian”, to which I replied,
(b) Why should I have an intense hatred for DAP? I voted for the party in 2008 and 2004 and would have also voted for them in 1999 as well – that is, had my registration as a first-time voter been processed in a timely manner by Election Commission which did not allow the 650,000 debutants (me included) to vote.
The DAP is at present controlled by the evangelistas.
I do not consider Kit Siang to be an evangelista (Karpal certainly not) but Guan Eng is. I’ve also heard that Gobind is a Christian but I do not know how far this is true. However the DAP’s Rahang Adun, Mary Josephine Pritam Singh, is a Christian.
Before the evangelistas took control of the DAP, Malaysia had never experienced this level of race and religious tensions (not since 1969). The MCA did not cause the Malays to hate the Chinese. And neither did Gerakan cause the Muslims to hate the non-Muslims. The trail leads to the DAP.
Therefore, if you want to point your finger at the culprit responsible for spreading “hatred” (another one of the evangelista buzzwords alongside “racist”, “extremist”, “bigot”, “ignoramus”/”moron”), then look in the mirror.
(c) re: “an obvious personal feud with Hannah Yeoh”
Oh really?
Personal feud? Do you think I’m vying with her to rise up through the party ranks? I’ve got absolutely nothing to do with the DAP (zero contact) and I’m not and have never ever been a card-carrying member of any political party.
Personal feud? … I blog. Is Hannah vying with me to see whose the better writer?
Personal feud? I don’t tweet and she must hold the Malaysian record for blocking the most number of Twitter users on her timeline plus cowardly deleting those tweets of hers where she’s been caught out by several people.
Personal feud? She was an Event Manager. I was a journalist. Since when did our career spheres ever cross?
So what personal feud? Must every Umno blogger who criticizes Guan Eng (surf the Malay blogosphere and read the Malay mass media – LGE has plenty of critics) be personally feuding with him? Or could it be that they critique because he’s the uber scumbag?
You people (Dapster evangelista type) are revolting in the way that you compose your personal attacks. Understand this and you will comprehend the strong anti-Chinese sentiments now pervading Malaysia and in other parts of the world where there have been anti-Chinese riots, most recently in Hanoi and Yangon.
‘Or could it be that they critique because he’s the uber scumbag?’
Well he is the uber scumbag alright!
“insults that are thrown at Jesus Christ ..” Muslims are not the ones insulting Jesus, fyi. Christ, the person is not the one being ridiculed, in most cases. I’ve found the insults are mostly directed towards Christianity and there are enough Christians in the western world to stand up for their own religion.
I do not have a chip on my shoulder about Christianity or any other religion. But I cannot stand those who use religion as an excuse to go against the constitution. You can’t say you are a Malaysian but in the same breath proudly say I don’t speak Malay or refuse to acknowledge that Islam is the religion of the federation or disagree that other religion cannot proselytise to Muslims as stated in the constitution.
As a Muslim, I find the threat to be real. When non-Muslims start wanting to dictate what goes on in the mosques, what can be part of our sermons, how we should interpret the Quran etc, then yes, I feel threatened.
Well said Alan.
She used to write insightful articles on Malaysiakini and CPI before her arrest. Now it is all hysterical rambling and scapegoating. I still wonder why she chooses to obsessively attack a minor leader such as Hannah Yeoh. Almost every article will without fail, be about Hannah. It makes as much sense as that crazy man at the corner babbling about Kenny G being the Antichrist.
(a) I was arrested in Ipoh, Perak on the day the Pakatan gomen was ousted and detained at a markas FRU along with Salahudin Ayub, Tian Chua, Zuraida, Muhajid, Dr Jeyakumar, (the late) blogger Zorro and about a hundred-over other people. So what’s the big deal? As far as I’m aware, no further action was taken by the police against any one of us.
(b) I’ve never ever been arrested on any other occasion but teargassed several times, got lah, and also faced the water cannons.
(c) Perkasa Youth made a police report against me. But they make police reports against lots of other folks too every now and again. Vice versa, hundreds if not thousands of police reports have been lodged against Ibrahim Ali and Perkasa. Again, so what?
After all, Perkasa kicks up a fuss even about the direction faced by the Hindu temple (new building, work in progress) door in Putrajaya. Perkasa is Perkasa, and Umno is Umno.
Umno has never harassed me. Perkasa did not pursue their unhappiness with me. I reckon it’s because they’re not kiasu enough or they share the same Umno ‘tidak apa’ genes.
On the other hand, the DAP Red Beanies are ultra kiasu while the evangelistas are dajjal, as the Quran says in Surah Al-Baqarah in the way they try to drag people’s name (Tunku Aziz, Khalid Ibrahim, their MCA & Gerakan opponents) through the mud.
(d) I was questioned by the police for about 45 minutes. I was never detained and certainly not arrested before or after the questioning. I was accompanied by N. Surendran (now PKR vice president, well-known as a civil rights lawyer).
Do note that I’ve never had any contact with DAP. Even the pro bono legal help to me was extended by a PKR man and not DAP.
(e) Surendran advised me to take the Malaysian equivalent of the American Fifth Amendment which is the right not to incriminate myself and hence not to answer any questions at the police station. This is standard procedure for any activist being questioned if we choose not to co-operate with the investigation. This method then compels the police to frame a proper charge to be brought in court if they wish to pursue the matter and any questions will be then have to be answered in the dock.
The police opted for NFA. It was not a big matter. Police reports are a dime a dozen. The Christians have even made a stack of police reports against UiTM forum speakers who had also to present themselves to the police for questioning.
(f) If anything, the experience was an eye-opener and I’m glad to have undergone it. What I realised is that our authorities are as erratic as Umno politicians. Police suka gertak, Umno pollies suka cakap berdegar-degar but neither come even close to the viciousness and vindictiveness displayed by DAP evangelistas in their smear campaign to vilify and defame.
(g) My up close and personal with the smear campaigners (like you, ACDC) has allowed me to know the nature of the beast. You’re as revolting as they’re repulsive.
(h) And as to whether Hannah is a “minor” or major politician, thanks to the J-Star‘s concerted and continuous promo,
https://twitter.com/syahredzan/status/574831408184619008
Correction
re: “the evangelistas are dajjal, as the Quran says in Surah Al-Baqarah”
Munafiq is more precise as per the ayat-ayat (not dajjal).
‘where they suddenly decided to take ownership of a word and become the laughing stock of the world.’
I agree with you. These Christians are not Arab Koptik to begin with…I mean what a joke right?
ish ish!
Good one, islam1st.
We should learn to do this more often – turn the tables on them.
Tu la Helen…these people kata dulang paku serpih!
alan tak sedar diri. Orang kafir yang selalu provoke dulu, examples listed above. If you do not belief in something, it does not mean that it is not true. And what you believe might not be the truth. So, you do not hv to impose your beliefs on others.
Ms H. To up-date you and all, the balmy squeaky clean tiny tropical isle of the Republic of Singapore is now known around the World as the RICH CUBA without the havanas ! The bible stomping troupes of the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP are led by a gal from Hainan Island !
Ms H. I left out something. The description of the once balmy squeaky clean tiny tropical isle of Singapura should read, ‘RICH CUBA WITHOUT THE HAVANAS BUT THE BANANAS !’
Ms H. How many of us realise that the Chinese in our beloved Malaysia love to create scams to make money from their weaker brain fellows.
In the latest caper of these RM2 tax free incorporated churches manned by leaderships which ranged from prominent felons to nobodies, one must wonder how or when all these present day scams are going to end.
With a beginning, there must always be an ending. The motive is not to save Humankind but to collect money from the innocents who must wake up sometime. Here is a list of scams as perpetrated by the Chinese.
1. The MCA Welfare Lottery. 1949-54
2. The Mushroom Insurance Scheme 1960s
3. The Gemini Chit Fund. 1970s.
4. The RM2 tax free incorporated churches. 1976-2015. The longest which coincided witht the rise of an erstwhile tycoon who was copied cat by other crooked tycoons. It is a big industry out there.
5. The Co-operative Societies 1975-1982.
6. The Share Market Riggings 1978-2015
7. The Foreign Exchange Scam 2003-2009
8. The Gold Bullion Scam 2008-2014.
Fortunately, Ms H, not many Chinese are crooks. Those who are crooks look like crooks. You know who !
Uncle Ed, what if the government tells you tomorrow that your EPF retirement funds don’t belong to you? It would be a bad joke right? Well, the joke is on Singaporeans … the gomen spilled their beans in parliament.
http://www.tremeritus.com/2015/03/08/cpf-is-not-your-money-the-drumming-starts/
Chris, You are great. One of the very few apart from Ms H and grkumar, Islam 1st etc. who use the right head the right way.
The sins of the Ruler 1959-2015 are now slowly coming home to roost. I counted 33 Policy failures. Poor citizens of Singapore who thought they were riding the high horse in comparison with us free Malaysians. Now, they discover their hard-earned CPF contributions do not even belong to them.
And the PAP Government shifts the goal posts all the time, LEGALLY ! You will hear groans in the night in Singapore these days – bad dreams. Where are you Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP ?
Ms H. The RM2 tax free incorporated churches will thrive as long as the Chinese political parties are weak. This the rub.
DAP is not weak. It is the second largest party in Parliament. It has got the support of 90 percent of the Chinese. It the the Chief Minister of one state and the Speaker in another.
The DAP evangelistas and the Church have got a close relationship.
Below: Meeting between Hannah Yeoh, Teresa Kok, Tony Pua and Guan Eng with the evangelical pastors just before election in 2008
“Tomorrow, we will meet nearly 10 parents and their kids. They will lodge a police report first before going to the school to meet with the lady Principle (Chinese Christian). Without police report, she can lodge a report saying, parents invade school compound.”
http://www.ismaweb.net/2015/03/mubaligh-kristian-terus-sasar-umat-islam-penganut-hindu/
Betul ke ni Helen?
Sekolah di Subang Jaya ke?
Tak pasti Helen, mungkin kenalan you bleh verify…
Ms H. The Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP is weak for the reason that it does not seem to be a conventional political party with its aims of ruling the country. Its real record shows that it is only a troublemaker and a social worker ike our Dato Michael Chong of MCA. Even if 100% Chinese support the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP which is now overtaken by events at home in Singapore, it is ineffective in molding the moulding of the ruling Government. Besides, the DAP which practises the Ruler’s (1959-2015) godless Ultra Communistic Political and Social System, is in bed with the very rich PKR and the very good PAS both of which practise the Free Malaysian Style Democracy with Open Capitalistic Characteristics. The Opposition consists of those who represent Singapore’s Ultra Communism and those who believe in Free Democracy. Here lies the rub.
Ms H. See the wonderful World if the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP cuts its umbilical cord with the Singaporean PAP AND DECLARE ITS ABSOLUTE INDEPENDENCE FROM THE RULER (1959-2015). Obstinacy is not a Virtue in Politics. And also in Politics, there are no friends but only Allies. What say you Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP ?
Innaddinna indallahil islam – ugama di sisi ALLAH hanya lah Islam. In FITRAH point of view, the rest of the “religion” as we knew it is just an agak-agak faith. There is never in the human history of the world where an agak-agak “religion” can be a true faith. To identify the agak-agak faith is relatively simple. If it is a “religion” where their “Words of God” books can be edited by human hand like nobody business to suit with their earthly requirement now that is the one. Wal hal regardless what faith you are, our days are all numbered and sure to become a bangkai satu hari nanti.
Their main motives is just two main purposes that is POWER and MONEY. This is what they really believe in to “worship” at any cost. In their agak-agak pretense of “God Fearing” outlook, their religious members will resort to any “creative” LIES and “THREAT” to meet their down to earth evil purposes.
Siapa yang makan cili dia yang terasa pedasnya.
Proselytizing = psychological and emotional rape
The converts appreciate being saved and shown the light. See, http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/opinion/rama-ramanathan/article/should-they-be-called-muslim-evangelicals
Just apply boundaries.
Don’t convert minors against their parents’ wishes. Don’t take advantage of vulnerable groups, e.g. the destitute, HIV carriers, terminally ill patients, transgenders, single mothers, etc. Don’t use cult methods of brainwashing. Don’t bully through peer pressure. Don’t trick – file conversion papers without the subject being aware.
Exactly, conversion of minors is a form of child abuse. They are too young to consent. Stop preying on the vulnerable.
As far as I know, only two religions in the world advocate proselytization; that ‘psychological and emotional rape’ and insult to other faiths – Islam and Christianity.
Other religions of the world mind their own businesses, in dignity and in peace.
This is probably why the adherents of these two faiths will battle eternally for the “souls of the infidels/heathens” but in reality, for power and hegemony.
The Crusades was just the beginning for both. It never really ended.
Even here. :)
re: “for power and hegemony”
….. and also for lots and lots of money. Its no secret that some mega churches are cons and ripoffs. A 10% biblical tithe? Seriously who would’ve fallen for the oldest scams in history.
Buddhism has historically been an actively proselytising faith, which spread mainly through monks and missionaries all over India, South Asia and Indo China.
The Emperor Ashoka sent royal missionaries to various Kingdoms of South Asia with the message of the Dharma of the Buddha, even sending his son and daughter as missionaries to Sri Lanka.
Today Buddhism is a growing religion in the West. The role of the bhante and bhikku monks for the spread of the message of Buddha and of the faith of Buddhism is crucial. Buddhism admits converts without any distinction of race, previous religion or gender and any adherent of Buddhism can theoretically aspire to reach the highest ecclesiastical offices or even attain the status of Buddha or Bodhisattva.
more at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proselytism
Asoka reigned from 304–232 BCE. That’s 2,300 years ago when Buddhism was spread through missionaries and under the aegis of imperium.
In modern history, where got anymore? Buddhist countries are small (Sri Lanka, Bhutan), weak (Cambodia), troubled (Thailand), isolated (Myanmar), under foreign occupation (Tibet).
re: “Today Buddhism is a growing religion in the West.”
It is the Westerners who seek out Buddhism just as how in an earlier phase, the Westerners had also sought Indian gurus (Hari Krishna and their ilk) and the mystical rishis.
Take the actress Uma Thurman’s father. He is an American who went to Tibet to learn Buddhism. It is not Buddhist missionaries that are a powerful movement sending out preachers to all corners of the globe.
If the Europeans are turning to Buddhism, it is through their own volition just like how they’re increasingly becoming atheist (the Scandinavian countries especially) and abandoning the Church.
This is the ‘Push’ factor at play. They’re leaving (pushing themselves away from) Christianity but there is no single ‘Pull’ factor with a one-on-one correlation, i.e. it is not (B) that is pulling Westerners away from (A) Christianity.
The Westerners are being attracted by various alternatives – Islam, Hinduism (Julia Roberts), Christianity (Richard Gere), Judaism (some American stars of Jewish descent), Wicca, atheism/agnosticism, etc – because they question or have lost faith in the Christian ethos.
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‘Islam is a religion of compulsion in Malaysia, and hence there is no reason for a Muslim to ever fear being converted to another faith, as they are not allowed to convert, even though many would like to’
‘even though many would like to’
Alan ada empirical study tak statement kau ni??
No different to Helen’s assertion that most young Malaysian Chinese are Christian Evangelicals. Where did she get her numbers from? You seem ok with her article.
I personally know of some free thinking Malays who are borderline agnostics/atheists, and just want to live a secular life, but are restricted in their lifestyles due to the policing of Islamic laws in the country. Also know a couple of Muslims who are convinced that Islam is not for them, and they would rather practice Christianity, but can’t do so for obvious reasons.
‘including many prominent overseas and local Muslims,’
Of course if you listen to ony BFM and reads Mkini, TMI & those gunting dalam lipatan dailies!
Haven’t heard of Reza Aslan? What about the Imans from Pakistan and the Middle East who have been fairly critical of this?
http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=176592:pakistan-daily-shames-insecure-muslims-in-malaysia-for-allan-ban&Itemid=2#axzz3UEvKJyZU
‘Can you honestly tell me that there wouldn’t be a mountain of angst and protests amongst the Muslims if a million bibles were about to be distributed?’
Tak salah kalau tidak diedarkan kepada Muslims. Undang-undang cakap macam tu, kalau tak mahu ikut undang-undang dan Perlembagaan Persekutuan, the highest law of the land, nak ikut undang-undang rimba ke Alan?
‘put up or leave’
That say it all doesn’t it?!
Knock2 The Rithmatist
Pathetic retort, and a statement filled with racist vibes. Don’t call the westerners racists when Malaysia is one of if not the most racist countries in the world.
Evangelists like alan use the term as if you know the true meaning whilst in fact you are using the term racist just to suit your whims and fancies. They use the term racist just to cover up their acts and miscounduct of plundering other people’s wealth.Define racist, will you. Is defending one’s own motherland considered racist. You sure is the racial one for bringing up the term first. Nobody ever thought of being racist at all, we are just defending our rights and privileges passed down to us by our ancestors. Salah ke mempertahankan hak kami? The way the China mainland is protecting the islands surrounding its land?
‘You are just acting like a radicalised Muslim who clearly has a chip on his shoulders about Christianity’
And you Alan, on Islam.
‘Funny how Muslims don’t get upset when Christ is constantly ridiculed in the west, when he is meant to be one of Islam’s greatest prophets as well. Hypocrisy? You bet.’
Why, Christians running the show worldwide and you cry for us, Muslims to help? Anyway, that’s what we’ve been doing you idiot when we, at least in Malaysia(unlike US and the EU, we don’t yet run the world, so lets not pretend like we did, OK Alan?), banned some stupid movies ‘depicting’ Jesus, Moses, Noah etc. We’ve been screwed for it too by some Kafirs, haven’t you notice Alan? Gosh where were you at?
And were you there, siding with us when we did? #justsayin
“Why, Christians running the show worldwide and you cry for us”
Another insecure Malaysian Muslim who has to make this about an us versus them issue. If you read the question that I posed, you will realise that it’s a valid one. Muslims are hypocrites, there’s no two ways about this. Jesus is arguably the second greatest prophet in Islam, just behind Prophet Muhammad. Logic would suggest that Muslims should at least show half of the angst and anger that they show when Muhammad is mocked, but they clearly don’t. Why not? I stand by my statement, you guys are the biggest hypocrites….
I wonder how 10% of the population can be so much of a threat to the 61% muslim population.
PR terutamanya DAP telah merubah stratiji perang mereka selepas GE 13 dengan slogan “ini kali la” walaupun 90% sokongan kaum Cina (dalam genggaman) masih tidak dapat menumbangkan BN ( UMNO ).
Pada awal 1980an para “jeneral’ mereka berpendapat orang Melayu boleh dijual beli dengan serendah nilai RM 50 saja dan berusaha mendapatkan kepercayaan mereka , jika perlu tukar ugama kepada ugama Islam supaya dapat menghancurkan kekuasaan orang Melayu dari “dalam”?
Di abad ke 21 ini pengajaran yg dipelajari dari dunia barat , untuk lebih mudah memporak perandakan sesebuah negara , wujudkan pegeseran terutama sekali antara agama.
Kekuatan BN ( UMNO ) di semenanjung ialah kawasan pendalaman penghuni Melayu & Bumiputra (Islam) tetapi di Sabah & Serawak kaum Bumiputra ( Kristian , Islam & lain-lain )
Komposisi orang Melayu & Bumiputra ( Islam ) berbanding kaum Cina, india & Bumiputra ( Kristian ) ada kemungkinan BN akan tumbang pada GE 14 yg akan datang.
Memperalatkan agama ( Islam , Kristian, HIndu , Budha Tao & lain-lain ) untuk mencapai matlamat politik senata-mata amat terkutuk & dilaknati.
Kita dapat menilai mereka ini siapa , bukannya manusia malangnya lebih teruk dari binatang.
Amir Yusuf “Kekuatan BN(UMNO) …di kawasan pendalaman…”
SALAH TU.
UMNO adalah parti Melayu yg ada saham terbanyak dalam undi Melayu walaupun di kawasan bandar. Di kawasan seperti Ampang, Lembah Pantai, Shah Alam, Gelang Patah, UMNO memenangi undi Melayu tetapi tewas kerana lebih kurang 35% Melayu tolak UMNO dan hampir kesemua Cina tolak UMNO.
PADAN MUKA UMNO. Benarkan lagi “pembangunan” yg tidak memihak pada Melayu. Tukar lagi nama Kerinchi kepada Bangsar south. Dapat undi ke?
Saya perhatikan peratusan Melayu menurun di Pandan. Kenapa? Sebab ada budaya buat kondo yg rata-rata didiami oleh bukan Melayu.
Pada awal 1990an (ketika masih ada lagi perasaan iman dan takwa) berpuluh rumah kos rendah 5 tingkat di buat di Tmn Sungai Besi, memberi peluang pada Melayu dan bukan Melayu yg tak kaya tinggal di pusat bandar.
Hati saya hancur tengok condo yg baru siap tak jauh dari Tmn Sungai Besi. Orang Melayu yg berkuasa tak mahu buat rumah kos rendah atau sederhana. Di tempat yg strategik dibina condo dan diberi nama “Mat Salleh”. Seolah nama Melayu ta layak untuk condo-condo ini.
ZAMAN Melayu kuasai kerusi Bangi juga nampaknya akan berakhir juga. Pembangunan (maksudnya bina condo yg tidak murah) akan jadikan peratusan Melayu menurun.
Ingat Seri Serdang?
Remabu saksikan pertambahan penduduuk bukan Melayu yg ketara.