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Why hudud is point of no return for Chinese community

The Rubicon is crossed. From now on, it’s confrontation all the way.

1. Only simple majority needed in Parliament

“All that is required to amend the law is a simple majority,” said Gan Ping Sieu (below).

The MCA Syariah Law and Policy Implementation special task force chairman is referring to the Syariah Courts (Criminal) Jurisdiction Act 1965, a federal legislation pertaining to jurisdiction in state law.

Gan-Ping-SieuJust in case you didn’t get it the first time, Ping Sieu repeats, “to amend this, we do not need a two-third majority but a simple majority”.

Reiterating for the third time, Ping Sieu told the press conference on Wednesday, “let me put the record straight. We do not need to amend the Federal Constitution to amend this law in Kelantan”. Well, you can get any clearer than that, can you?

Ping Sieu is a lawyer by training and additionally holds a Diploma of Syariah from the International Islamic University (IIU). It is his professional opinion that “once it becomes law, that is a point of no return”.

By the way, a simple majority requiring 112 votes in Parliament is quite doable. Aside from Umno’s 88 and PAS’s 21, PKR has 16 Muslim MPs.

Roketkini MCA hina Islam

CSL anti Islam

2. MCA no longer has any influence with Umno

MCA has tried its best to prevent the implementation of hudud but every step of the way the BN Chinese component has been demonized by all three Pakatan parties and their supporters as being “anti-Islam”.

Some quarters in Umno itself have also been persuaded by the opposition ‘anti-Islam’ rhetoric against MCA. With that unfortunate reputation maliciously contrived for it, MCA is no longer able to prevail upon Umno to kow tim matters behind closed doors.

A popular Malay point-of-view is articulated by the ex-Mrs Sakmongkol (DAP Raub MP Mohd Ariff Sabri’s former spouse) – ‘PAS is not afraid of DAP.. Why should Umno fear MCA?

CSL hina Islam

mca anti islam harakah

Jackson Ng see Malaysiakini Is MCA staunchly anti-Islam?‘ below – previously mocked MCA for organizing a forum themed ‘Hudud and its implications on non-Muslims’.

Jackson, who labels the former MCA president as “zina Chua“, said the event was “a sick joke and a mismatch” and deeming Dr Chua unqualified to address the forum. Unless I’m mistaken, Jackson Ng is the evangelista Ng Kee Seng who heads pro-opposition news portal The Ant Daily.

Is MCA staunchly anti-Islam

The behaviour of the Chinese and particularly the evangelistas has destroyed the last cache that MCA used to have with Umno. Hence the Chinese can no longer expect MCA to wrangle any concession or compromise from Big Brother.

In short, MCA has no more clout to bargain on behalf of the Chinese.

Since the Chinese have decided to throw their lot fully with the DAP, they will have to rely on the evangelical party to resolve the hudud conflict. You make your bed, you lie in it.

Utusan front page, 7 Aug 2014

3. The Muslim / non-Muslim fault line

As with kalimah Allah, Malaysians are taking sides on the hudud issue largely based on our own religious affiliation.

The Syariah Criminal Code Enactment (II) 1993 (Amended) was passed after its third reading two days ago in the Kelantan state assembly. The Umno and PAS Aduns were one in their bipartisan support for the bill.

And it’s not very smart nor diplomatic of the MCA to say that “hudud will bring our multiracial nation to the sewers” – see tweet below.

Also, the press statement by the MCA publicity bureau chairman @

MCA is mistaken in its hope that this hudud controversy might make Chinese electorate turn away from the DAP. On the contrary, it will only heighten the Chinese chauvinism coupled with Christian triumphalism in addition to erasing whatever vestiges of Malay support there is still left for MCA.


Chew Mei Fun, the MCA vice president is not very realistic either when she says that “Lim Guan Eng is the worst DAP secretary-general in failing to prevent hudud”. Err, how many sec-gens has the DAP had in its five-decades-long history?

The Chinese are blaming MCA – not DAP – for failing to prevent hudud in the same way they blamed Umno for the seizure of the ‘Allah’ Bibles even though the raid on the Bible Society was carried out in a Selangor, a Pakatan-ruled state, and Islam comes under state control – meaning that JAIS officers are on the Pakatan, and not Putrajaya, payroll.

There’s no hope and no cure for the Chinese since they persist in being so utterly divorced from reality and common sense. Tak lain dan tak bukan ‘odikal‘ namanya.

PAS kena buli

4. Guan Eng accuses PAS of being dishonest, deceitful and treacherous

In his press statement yesterday, the DAP sec-general Lim Guan Eng said:

“DAP leaders feel angry and betrayed by PAS Kelantan leaders and several of its pro-Umno national leaders for its dishonesty, deceit and treachery by turning its back on PR and instead willing to trust Umno to implement the Shariah Criminal Code II Enactment or hudud laws.”

He further said:

“The issue is now … also on the trust and honesty of some PAS national leaders and the reliability of their promises. Can DAP continue to co-operate with some of these PAS national leaders on the PR national platform when their promises and words have no value and are no different from Umno’s?

It’s not surprising that Guan Eng and his party colleagues – Anthony Loke (below), Jeff Ooi, Gobind Singh, etc – should rage at what they call “such acts of betrayal by PAS Kelantan and some PAS national leaders”.

Just as they’re now tarring PAS as being full of “dishonesty, deceit and treachery”, they’ve similarly labelled others as “racist”, “extremist”, “haters” and “religious bigots”.

What does their name-calling tell you about the nature of the Firsters?


5. PAS Mursyidul Am Haron Din replies to the DAP allegations

How can PAS be said to be traitors when, in the first place, they’ve never made any bones about their Islamic State and hudud ambitions?

Instead it was the DAP that convinced its Chinese followers to support hudud.

Speaking to Utusan yesterday, PAS Mursyidul Am Haron Din said his party …

“… tidak pernah membelakangkan DAP mahupun Parti Keadilan Rakyat (PKR) kerana perjuangan PAS menegakkan hukum hudud telah diterangkan berulang kali sehingga seluruh dunia mengetahui mengenainya.

” ‘Kalau perbuatan (memben­tang­­kan enakmen) itu dikatakan tikam belakang, kenapa tidak kata tikam hadapan sahaja, kita sudah beritahu dan terangkan berulang-ulang kali sampai masyarakat pun muak, PAS bukan sahaja beritahu DAP tetapi telah beritahu seluruh Malaysia dan seluruh dunia,’ katanya.”

PAS did not go around deceiving the Chinese. It was the DAP that was duplicitous and the Chinese who chose to delude themselves.


6. How things are unfolding

(a) Malay unity – We saw that in the unanimous hudud vote taken by the Kelantan DUN

(b) Perpaduan ummah – The Muslims are coalescing across the political divide; Umno is taking a hard turn to the right while PAS is consolidating under the ulamas

(c) Muslim NGOs – The Islamists are acquiring a bigger role

“… we do not want this to just be in Kelantan… I see that, God willing, the same wave will fall in Terengganu, and then maybe Pahang.” – Ustaz Mohamed Hafiz Mohd Nordin, chairman of Pembela (coalition of Muslim NGOs)

(d) Anti-DAP – The evangelical party has been actively promoting hate, first ABU against Umno and now against PAS; The Golden Rule: What goes around comes around

(e) Anti-Chinese – The rough reaction of the Chinese to the current hudud developments is raising Malay hackles; the ‘Boikot Cina’ campaign will intensify; politicians like Ismail Sabri are now very popular among Malays


ABOVE: Will the two Pak Kopiah please ask Hannah Yeoh whether she has received hidayah yet? It’s been more than seven years already

(f) Anti-Christian – The treatment meted out to PAS has exposed how hypocritical is the love-love-love professed for Muslims and how sneaky is the manipulation and exploitation of PAS goodwill (inter-faith ambassadors, Unit Amal, AJK surau & masjid) by the evangelistas

Read, ‘The Christian love for PAS … just too creepy for words

(g) Cukup-cukuplah dengan fitnah – There’s only so much of the incessant putar belit, tipu dan bohong that the majority population will put up with


Fitnah dan evangelista berpisah tiada

It’s true that some segments of the Muslim population in our country want hudud but the evangelistas are intimating to the world media as if Malaysia is under the thumb of Boko Haram and the non-Muslims here are on the verge of being decapitated.

At one level, hudud is about religion but at another level it is the essential political glue so that the Malays (who have been split) can fight back against the monolithic Chinese united under the DAP banner.

The Chinese have chosen to surrender their fate into the hands of the conniving DAP evangelistas. So be it. It’s now DAP versus Umno, all out. The winner gets Putrajaya.

The kid singing in the video clip below was 13 years old, btw

throw into flames


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63 thoughts on “Why hudud is point of no return for Chinese community

  1. Shortly after the 2013 GE, a colleague posed the question to to me and my editor in chief as to what we felt about him writing a piece on the Internet and social media enabling an ubah (political change). This colleague appeared to be pro-DAP.

    I said that our publication cannot be seen to take sides politically, so his commentaries should be politically neutral, and then adedd that my gut feeling is that this ubah could will turn out to be a change for the worse, not the better.

    As it has turned out, since then it has been downhill all the way for ethnic and religious relations, whilst ethinic and religious antagonisms have intensified with greater polarisation.

    If PAS leaves Pakatan or is thrown out over this hudud issue, I am afraid that there goes Pakatan’s chances of winning the next GE.

    1. “If PAS leaves Pakatan or is thrown out over this hudud issue, I am afraid that there goes Pakatan’s chances of winning the next GE.”


  2. The chinese went for broke in pru13 to UBAH and unseat Umno but thank god they didnt make it. Their true color for wanting to bolot all and no more kongsi is now exposed for all to see.

    You asked for it, remember ? Tak suka ? Boleh balik goreng ikan tongsan….. Hahaha

    1. Yes. Everyone saw it. The Malays don’t care anymore about the Chinese. The new generation are questioning everything from the days of jus soli.

      You can throw in cliches of ‘unity’…’harmony’…but the Malays know it’s just lip service to these people.

      What a blessing in disguise for the Malays.


  3. as a muslim i am saddened with the low IQ and stupidity for both PAS and UMNO who support hudud. Federal law itself prohibits criminal law under state to be amended, in itself showed, PAS is disrespectful (probably deceitful) towards BN government. and yet UMNO members are supporting them. disrespectful and ignorance.

    Hudud in itself never exist in Quran other than the word means limit.

    The term hududu’l-Lah (God’s boundaries) occurs in the Quran 14 times, none of which refer to fixed punishments and weirdly none of the best PAS scholars, BN scholars or any scholars of malaysia notice that.

    It is a sad day for not pnly malays but other races. to top that off, PAS and with umno support allow hudud only for muslim. Have the muslim and great scholars of PAS and Malays and umno forgotten that Allah’s law is for all and not restricted to one race?

    Ohh.. now DAP hates hudud because when it comes name calling (of god) allah is for all, but when it comes for judgement, allah law is only applied for PAS.

    You see, as a muslim, all of us (malays) know that PAS is doing this for the very reason, that their votes is going down. obviously UMNO doing this because their leader, najb, is clueless.

    anyways, remember “yatrib” or medina? when Muhammad run away from mecca, he take refuge at yatrib where they are multi races and multi religious group. There itself, showed a final and un challengeable proof that there is no such thing as the hudud fixed punishments as nowhere mentioned in the Medina Charter promulgated by Muhammad himself when he migrated to Medina.


      وَالسَّارِقُ وَالسَّارِقَةُ فَاقْطَعُوا أَيْدِيَهُمَا جَزَاءً بِمَا كَسَبَا نَكَالًا مِّنَ اللَّهِ وَاللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ
      [As to the thief, male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power. (surah Al-Ma’idah : 38)]

      إِنَّمَا جَزَاءُ الَّذِينَ يُحَارِبُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَيَسْعَوْنَ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَسَادًا أَن يُقَتَّلُوا أَوْ يُصَلَّبُوا أَوْ تُقَطَّعَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَأَرْجُلُهُم مِّنْ خِلَافٍ أَوْ يُنفَوْا مِنَ الْأَرْضِ ذَٰلِكَ لَهُمْ خِزْيٌ فِي الدُّنْيَا وَلَهُمْ فِي الْآخِرَةِ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ
      [The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter. (Surah Al-Ma’idah : 33)]

      الزَّانِيَةُ وَالزَّانِي فَاجْلِدُوا كُلَّ وَاحِدٍ مِّنْهُمَا مِائَةَ جَلْدَةٍ وَلَا تَأْخُذْكُم بِهِمَا رَأْفَةٌ فِي دِينِ اللَّهِ إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَلْيَشْهَدْ عَذَابَهُمَا طَائِفَةٌ مِّنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ
      [The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment. (Surah An-Nur : 2)]


      Narrated ‘Aisha: The Prophet said, “The hand should be cut off for stealing something that is worth a quarter of a Dinar or more.”

      Anas b. Malik reported that a person who had drink wine was brought to Allah’s Apostle. He gave him forty stripes with two lashes. Abu Bakr also did that, but when Umar (assumed the responsibilities) of the Caliphate, he consulted people and Abd al-Rahman said: The mildest punishment (for drinking) is eighty (stripes) and ‘Umar their prescribed this punishment.

      Narrated Abu Hurayrah: The Prophet said: If he is intoxicated, flog him; again if he is intoxicated, flog him; again if he is intoxicated, flog him if he does it again a fourth time, kill him. AbuDawud said: And there is a similar tradition of Umar ibn AbuSalamah, from his father, on the authority of AbuHurayrah, from the Prophet (peace be upon him): If he drinks wine, flog him if he does it so again, a fourth time, kill him.

      Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah: A man committed fornication with a woman. So the Apostle of Allah ordered regarding him and the prescribed punishment of flogging was inflicted on him. He was then informed that he was married. So he commanded regarding him and he was stoned to death.


      1. again, yet another stupid PAS supporter or BN. let me cut and paste here:

        The term hududu’l-Lah (God’s boundaries) occurs in the Quran 14 times, none of which refer to fixed punishments and weirdly none of the best PAS scholars, BN scholars or any scholars of malaysia notice that.

        I hope you read again. and quran can be explained by itself. if you need hadis to explain the quran. then quran must not be a complete scripture.
        al maidah 38, where is the term hudud?

        al maidah 33 is about waging war against allah and messenger. we are talking about petty crime. somebody steal your wallet , you rage all war against them? stupid.

        read quran 4:58. Take note also that the divine order to our courts is to judge among people with justice. Surely God Who decrees upon Himself mercy cannot enact such archaic dan barbarous laws.

        again and again , let me explain to your puny mind.

        The term hududu’l-Lah (God’s boundaries) occurs in the Quran 14 times, none of which refer to fixed punishments and weirdly none of the best PAS scholars, BN scholars or any scholars of malaysia notice that

        1. btw. again, why is this law only for islam? what if a DAP supporter or MIC supporter stole something? they are not in the realms of Allah punishment. waa

          1. ‘weirdly none of the best PAS scholars, BN scholars or any scholars of malaysia notice that’

            Except for you of course. Wow. Lulusan mana ni? MCA? DAP?

            1. and now you. of course, we need to have lulusan with al azhar certificate to read the obvious. and obviously if we try to discuss, something which is unpopular to other moslem, we should brand them as non malay and non moslem. good islamic thought.. mmm

              1. ‘the low IQ and stupidity for both PAS and UMNO who support hudud.’

                Haiya saya itu low IQ Melayu maa? Lu tatau meh? At least I don’t pretend to be what I’am not!

          2. need to pretend a muslim when you are not muslim..a tiger cannot change its stripes maa…non muslim discussing about Islam is seriuously a pathetic…and you call us malay stupid? Who’s the stupid person here?

        1. Diorang ni kafir harbi ke kafir zimmi. Awat ruu syariah kelantan takde citer pasai bende ni.

  4. ‘In short, MCA has no more clout to bargain on behalf of the Chinese.’

    Najib patut tell of MCA – Show me the numbers! Menang pun atas subsidi orang Islam lagi mau kiasu!

  5. ‘The Umno and PAS Aduns were one in their bipartisan support for the bill.’

    Helen, itu PKR lang tak undi sokong Hudud ke?

  6. ‘And it’s not very smart nor diplomatic of the MCA to say that “hudud will bring our multiracial nation to the sewers”’

    Typical kiasus maa. Aping Tokong Penang!

  7. ‘Err, how many sec-gens has the DAP had in its five-decades-long history?’

    Right. She is basically saying that LGE is not that bad since his father is the best??! Really?

  8. “The issue is now … also on the trust and honesty of some PAS national leaders and the reliability of their promises. Can DAP continue to co-operate with some of these PAS national leaders on the PR national platform when their promises and words have no value and are no different from Umno’s?’

    Stop the politics already. Break the ties already. Ke DAP tengah serang dari dalam-bagi cue kat PASMA ke LGE?

    ‘its pro-Umno national leaders for its dishonesty, deceit and treachery’

    Devious DAP!

  9. ‘Kalau perbuatan (memben­tang­­kan enakmen) itu dikatakan tikam belakang, kenapa tidak kata tikam hadapan sahaja, kita sudah beritahu dan terangkan berulang-ulang kali sampai masyarakat pun muak’

    Hahaha. Top that DAP! Padan Muka!

  10. ‘politicians like Ismail Sabri are now very popular among Malays’

    Kalau the Cinas tak gila meroyan saja2 nak sensasikan statement dia, kiasu tak bertempat nak crucify dia, dia pun tak tahu dia popular dalam UMNO dan among orang Melayus.

    Apa lagi Cina mahu?

    1. Islam1st,

      Although I know the reasons why Chinese reject UMNO, i often asked them. Why they hate UMNO so much?

      All of them never fail to say Najib cant be trusted, UMNO is racist, Economy is going downhill, Chinese being unfairly treated (by UMNO) and irritating Malay attitude of not trusting the Chinese.

      In crude language, UMNO, Malays are not fit to rule. That is what the messages they told me.

      I asked them why they say UMNO is racist. None was able to give decent answer except saying why Uitm is for bumiputera only and scholarships for Malays.

      I told them that even with Uitm, UMNO never ‘kacau” vernacular schools. I told them that preference of Malays for scholarsip is mentioned in constitution. Why? as one of the various ways to “reimburse” the Malays for allowing more than 1 million citizenship to non Malays.

      One of them said he is upset with “pendatang” remarks. I told him that is the exact problem. Chinese refuse to integrate with non Chinese. They behave as if they live in “china”. They refuse one school system. But the worse part, they simply refuse to accept reality that they are supporting DAP, a party that literally challenge the Malays on many aspects.

      In short, many Chinese do not feel it is wrong to be indifferent and worse still hostile to Malays. They insist on supporting DAP that want “Allah” to be used by Christians. They simply do not want to hear explanation from Malays.

      The truth is that Chinese want everything to them. They are like Spanish Conquistadores who annihilate millions of native Americans. They cant take it that UMNO, a Malay-based party overlording local political scene.

      THANKS TO DAP, UMNO cant say anymore that Chinese are against Hudud. Chinese had supported PAS on last election. That is endorsement to PAS policy.

      After all, why on earth UMNO would want to listen to MCA objection? MCA is rejected by Chinese wholeheartedly.

      “Lagi pun tanpa undi Cina pun UMNO masih perintah Malaysia. Kalau UMNO cuba ambil hati Cina pun mereka masih tolak UMNO. Jadi eloklah UMNO jaga Melayu. Jika Melayu nak hudud, laksanakan”.

  11. I don’t think that the munafiks in PAS were surprised by the violent protest of DAPigs and their blind and dumb supporters, after all they knew each other well enough and weren’t they married to each other and had intercourse with each other under the concept of TAHALUF SIYASI?

    The HUDUD (read hodok) by the PAS munafiks will not punish intercourse under the concept of TAHALUF SIYASI. You have a need so you can do that with a kafir, dhimmi or not, TAHALUF SIYASI.

  12. See what the cina education system had done to the Malaysian Cina community?

    They the output become like zombies and the younger generations are easily duped by these evangelista christian by feeding them with money and entertaintment. The evangelistas churches are the place to attract and indoctrinate these young buddhist converts turned them into morons for their leaders political mission.

    The system made the majority well to do cina so detached from the society. Their children minds are easily influenced by the evangelistas.

  13. Helen dah lama i tak coment kat blog you, kerana i rasa tak guna beri pandangan. Today i want gloat at all the DAP asswipes. You all better start washing your backsides, you need a clean backside to stay in malaysia.

    Better start to clean up your accounts, cause after this thry are going after the dirty money you hid from the income tax people.

    1. ‘Better start to clean up your accounts, cause after this thry are going after the dirty money you hid from the income tax people.’

      Ada maa. Sudah takut maa. Sudah mau packing!

      Moey Kok Meng and his family are clearing out his sundry shop in Air Itam. His final day of operation is next Wednesday. – See more at:

      An old corner sundry shop at the junction of Jalan C. Y. Choy and Lebuh Presgrave in George Town, Penang, is closing soon with the owner citing the goods and services tax (GST). – See more at:

      1. not only dont know to do business, now blame GST. patut pun tutup kedai. give reasons also dont know… sarcastic remark is an islamic way of ife these mcm apek tongsan.

      1. olang belum potong tarak kene hukum hudud maa.. but if you isis1st, kepala pun boleh potong

  14. You have to give DAP some credit for trying.All that pretense and deception,going to mosques with tudung,wearing songkoks,berbuka puasa,whacking MCA for its anti hudud stance,was really hard work.

    Suppressing their anti Islamic stance and biting their tongue must have been torturous.

    But they will continue,there are still gullible Muslims around.

    1. Like the two Tok Ketayap and their wives who invited Madame Speaker into their home?

      1. And the sangka baik kacau periuk kosong with Dr OKM! Itu pre Hudud maa, post Hudud lepas DAP, MCA and Gerakan satu hati, sebulat suara tunjuk dia punya colour, mesti masjid sudah kurang mau jemput maa!

        1. Dunno lah, kalu tak jemput ke masjid, nanti jemput ke rumah pulak macam pasangan Pak Lebai gambar atas.

          1. Ms H. The present day political conundrum is due to weak non-Malay political parties. Even with over 90% of the Chinese votes, the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP is ineffective. The DAP always instinctively said ‘No’ expecting the BN to say, ‘Yes’ like in the infamous TPPA saga which will kill us all.

            1. Ah Jib Gor will be the infamous son who opens the gates of the Malay nation to TPPA foreign domination unless the true leaders of the people take action now.

              1. “There are men who implore: “Our Lord! give us (Thy bounties) in this world!” – such as they will have no portion in the Hereafter.
                But there are men who say: “Our Lord! give us good in this world and also good in the Hereafter, and defend us from the torment of the hellfire!” To these will be allotted what they have earned and God takes full account of all things.” (Quran: 2:200-202).

                * The merit of a man is not measured by the quantity of his wealth – nor his poverty, for that matter – but as to the manner by which
                he acquired his wealth, and what he does with things in his

                @ Julian Assange, WikiLeaks editor said: “The TPP has developed in secret an unaccountable supranational court for multinationals to sue states. This system is a challenge to parliamentary and judicial sovereignty. Similar tribunals have already been shown to chill the adoption of sane environmental protection, public health and public transport policies.”


                @ More worrying details have emerged about the the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) – the US-led regional trade pact between 12 nations (including Australia and Malaysia) – with the New York Times revealing that members of the US Congress have been viewing the secretive document and are disgusted by its contents but this is the first disclosure to the public since an early version leaked in 2012 :

                “This is really troubling,” said Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, the Senate’s No. 3 Democrat. “It seems to indicate that savvy, deep-pocketed foreign conglomerates could challenge a broad range of laws we pass at every level of government, such as made-in-America laws or anti-tobacco laws. I think people on both sides of the aisle will have trouble with this”…


    1. Tanah Melayu….kan dah cantik.

      We should fly the old Tanah Melayu flag. Will it be seditious or against law to do it?

      Can Helen post a picture of the flag here?

        1. Sang saka bukan bendera tanah melayu, bendera tanah melayu ada 4 jalur dengan harimau di tengah

          1. Sang Saka corak bendera yang paling molek bagi kita. Umno had it right. Negara-negara jiran pun pakai kerana ia bendera tradisi Nusantara.


            Negara-negara serantau Scandinavia punya bendera juga semua ikut satu tema, contohnya.


            Bendera kebangsaan yang kita ada sekarang ikut bendera Amerika Syarikat dan UK kerana Tunku berkiblatkan barat.



  15. Jumpa ini di fb – Lando Zawawi DatokBandar Kl-pj

    “Ramai pening apasal ada yg bukan islam takut hudud walhal depa tak tertakluk dalam undang-undang ini? Biar wa bagitau lu la bro. Kebanyakan bukan islam yg menentang ini sebenarnya telah sekian lama mempunyai rangkaian dan hubungan (terutama perniagaan dan kuasa politik) dengan orang Melayu (dan sebagaimana perlembagaan menyatakan status Melayu itu juga beragama Islam). Ada ANTARA depa ni selama ini berniaga/berpolitik TANPA BATASAN. Semua ‘BOLEH BINCANG’. Apabila Hudud dilaksanakan maka secara automatiknya rangkaian depa akan goyang oleh hukuman-hukuman berat (hingga ada yg panggil uncivilized-seperti yg famous: potong tangan). Mereka juga gusar dengan sistem kehakiman yg semestinya baru dan tatacara guaman yg lebih islamik yg depa sendiri tidak fahami (Selama ini golongan bukan islam lebih dominan dalam bidang peguamcara/pendakwaraya kes-kes mahkamah, bukan Melayu) Semua ini menyukarkan segala kebiasaan depa. Ini yg ramai tak nampak. Sekarang lu sudah nampak. Sekian. SALUTE BROTHERHOOD.”

    Adakah ini sebab utama cina-cina melalak? Melayu terima rasuah boleh dikenakan hudud. Bagus la!

    Kalau Melayu takut terima rasuah terutama yang ada kedudukan penting, tiadalah masalah ‘ekonomi hitam’. Boleh selesai banyak masalah negara! Ketirisin pun boleh diatasi.

    Itu yang sebenarnya menjejaskan periuk nasi haram mereka yang melalak.

      1. Kita pulangkan kepada pakar perundangan Islam untuk perincikan tentang rasuah sama ada hudu atau takzir.

        Ada kesalahan bawah kategori qisas boleh menjadi takzir. Begitu juga, kesalahan bawah kategori hudud pun boleh menjadi takzir.

        Kebanyakan hukuman yang ada di Malaysia, walaupun di bawah hukuman sivil boleh dikategorikan di bawah takzir (penjara atau denda) atau qisas (gantung sampai mati bagi kesalahan bunuh). Cuma kaedah pensabitan hukuman yang berbeza; sivil ‘beyond any reasonable doubt’, syariah ‘beyond any absolute doubt’.

        Sememangnya kesalahan kategori hudud mempunyai kriteria ketat untuk dibuktikan tapi tak bermakna boleh lepas begitu sahaja. Boleh juga dihukum dibawah takzir.

        Yang pasti, kalau pesalah rasuah dihukum hudud atau takzir, bakal penerima rasuah akan takut untuk menerima rasuah. Dah tentu pemberi rasuah akan kepanasan sebab ‘projek’ tak boleh jalan. Maka banyaklah masalah negara boleh selesai.

        1. Kalau hukum hudud memerlukan kriteria ketat untuk dibuktikan seperti ‘beyond any absolute doubt’, macam mana nak mencapai pensabitan? Akhirnya, hukum hudud diperkenalkan tetapi tiada kes yang dapat dijatuhkan hukuman hudud. Semua kes hanya hukuman takzir sahaja.

          1. tak perlu buat spekulasi, pelaksanaan pun belum dibuat lagi…banyak lagi yang harus diperhalusi…orang2 agama daripada Hadi, Harunsani, Harun Din, termasuk Asri pun sokong…jadi kita yang tak berapa pandai ni jangan nak memandai…bersangka baik, dan sama-sama berusaha supaya pelaksanaannya kelak tidak mendatangkan fitnah kepada Islam dan hukum Allah tertegak seadil-adilnya.

            1. Ini bukan spekulasi. Ini analisa dan andaian dari perspektif undang-undang. Satu lagi isu adalah keperluan sebagai saksi dalam kes hudud mestilah lelaki beragama Islam yang dewasa dan adil. Ini bermaksud, perempuan dewasa Islam dan orang dewasa bukan Islam tidak layak menjadi saksi. Sekiranya, langsung tiada saksi lelaki beragama Islam yang dewasa dan adil, maka kes akan jatuh di bawah hukum tazir. Hadi, Harunsani, Harun Din, termasuk Asri adalah pakar agama. Tetapi mereka bukan pakar undang-undang. Hudud harus dilihat dari segi pelaksanaan dan ‘practicality’ dan bukan terhad dalam aspek keagamaan sahaja.

  16. 1) Sebenarnya, kebanyakan orang Melayu di Malaysia ni, kalau masuk bab agama je, mesti sokong punya. Atau kalau menolak pun, sekadar tolak-tolak manja. Jadi jangan la hairan apabila UMNO dan PAS bersatu-padu bab hudud ni.

    Yang orang/penyokong UMNO/PAS bergaduh sebelum ni pun, bukan sebab nak atau tak nak hukum hudud tapi sebab tak setuju dengan cara pelaksanaan hukum hudud yang dicadangkan.

    Antara contoh pelaksanaan yang menjadi pertikaian ialah, hukum hudud ni sepatutnya melibatkan semua penduduk termasuk yang bukan Islam tapi hukum hudud yang akan dilaksanakan di Kelantan cuma melibatkan orang Islam sahaja.

    2) Yang bab MCA tu pula, bukannya orang Melayu termakan dengan tipu-daya DAP tapi memang MCA yang gali kubur sendiri. Tengok je la apa yang berlaku sejak PRU lepas. Sepatutnya MCA kena jelaskan penipuan DAP tapi tak, mereka pilih untuk contohi DAP. Kalau nak contohi kerajinan dan budaya kreatif DAP dalam bab promosi, tak apa la juga. Ini pergi tiru sikap kasar, biadap, dan perkauman melampau DAP. Memang cari penyakit la.

    1. ‘Antara contoh pelaksanaan yang menjadi pertikaian ialah, hukum hudud ni sepatutnya melibatkan semua penduduk termasuk yang bukan Islam tapi hukum hudud yang akan dilaksanakan di Kelantan cuma melibatkan orang Islam sahaja.’

      Pelan2 kayuh…

      Shariah, or Islamic law, has always had a place within the states and territories that now make up modern day Malaysia. Malaysia and in particular Malaya prior to its independence as a federation of states in 1957, was a conglomeration of previously independent and sovereign Malay Muslim Sultanates that had in force within their respective territories criminal codes derived from Islamic jurisprudence and doctrine. This was recognised and confirmed in the well-known precedent of Ramah v Laton, wherein judicial notice was given in respect of Islamic law and the same was propounded; – See more at:

      1. Interesting to see 2 conflicting opinions on the constitutionality of hudud vis a vis the Constitution. Hope the Federal Court will hear the application made by Gerakan and expedites its decision on the issue of constitutionality of hudud.

  17. Hai Halen.

    A report from a grassroots.

    It’s look like a majority of Malay in some cycles are now more than ever hates Chinese and everywhere you read it in the comments for every post related to this issue, there will be a comment on how the Chinese by nature is a deceiving and manipulating lot who you cannot trust.

    This increasing after the kajang moved where pkr and dap trio’s started blaming pas for following Sultan Selangor request.

    I can feel the Malay reservation for the Chinese more than ever now and I also feel how uncomfortable the Chinese begins to feel.

    The truth is, abcd, bbmb and bcl works. There a lots of list of Malay product circulating in wassup, weechat and fb right now. There also a lot of list of products using Malay name but not a Malay product circulating as a reminder for a Malay not to buy.

    It’s a backlash alraigh and Halen the Malay started to isolation the Chinese more and more.


    1. What to do, they can’t stop can they???

      “Dysfunction runs deep in many of the public schools. In rural areas, according to international observers, the national policy of preference for ethnic Malays in government jobs has resulted in a number of classrooms where teachers are time-servers, disengaged with their students as long as they collect pay-checks. – See more at:

    2. The rest in Pakatan(bar some vocal ones like Karpal) show an image of supporting PAS and coddles their hudud ambition when they meet PAS voters, demonizes BN components that speaks against PAS hudud, but when PAS and UMNO vote for hudud in Kelantan, they kick up a storm and calls their own PAS partners as betrayers and deceivers.

      I’m not supportive of PAS hudud, much less PAS as part of the ruling party in federal government(as much as DAP). I also think that PAS hudud is flawed, unrealistic and will cause severe problems for our country. Unfortunately I have to accept that probably every other Malay here disagrees with me.

      Both PAS and DAP were never sincere with each other from the beginning, each was just trying to manipulate each other and making fools out of their supporters. PAS have been making hudud their rallying call for long, and telling their supporters how unislamic UMNO was for opposing hudud, making a scapegoat of UMNO(the only other Malay party fighting against them) and indoctrinating their supporters to hate UMNO. With loss of Chinese support for 2 consecutive GEs courtesy of DAP and also PAS/PKR splitting Malay votes, UMNO wouldn’t want to lose to PAS as well. Currently, seems to me it that supporting hudud is the majority Malay stand, especially in Kelantan, I can see why even UMNO and even the one PKR representative voted for it.

      But on the national parliament level, I doubt even PAS think Hadi’s bill could pass. Surely by now they have seen the opposition of both their partners, and the non UMNO BN components. I doubt they even had UMNO acceptance and cooperation in mind, THEY HATE UMNO. Even when viciously attacked by DAP, their own people choose to question UMNO’s hudud stance in parliament to the extent of being kicked out.

      All this is political theater by PAS and DAP. If PAS is truly serious they would have cut off ties with DAP and Selangor is Pakatan no more. Or maybe PAS is just that weak and its own party members unwilling to defend themselves against DAP. Some probably are more DAP/PKR rather than PAS. If PAS people can’t even defend their own party and their own leader I don’t think much of them upholding Islamic law that is correct, just and suitable for the times and the people. I just worry that Malay unity under PAS hudud banner won’t turn out well for everyone. BN needs to be careful now. I agree that it’s the result of everything that happened so far though.

      Man, that was too long. Sorry for anyone who even bother to read that rambling.

      1. Anonymous,

        The funny thing about Hudud is that Chinese heavily object while the response from Malay community is rather muted.

        So engrossed the chinese into supporting DAP to dethrone BN( or rather UMNO) that they overlooked the consequence. Before the total rejection of UMNO led BN by the Chinese, UMNO was fond of saying that Hudud will face objection by Chinese community.

        But Chinese wholeheartedly supported DAP or PAS . As such, UMNO can no longer says Chinese rejects Hudud. They voted for PAS that has been clamouring for Hudud as far as anyone can remember.

        PRU13 bring many changes. One glaring change is that UMNO or malays “dah tak kisah” with what chinese say. After all, UMNO will not get Chinese vote even if it objects Hudud.

        Short of saying it, Malays have “berkerat rotan berpatah arang” with chinese community.

        1. I don’t really agree with the muted Malay response part.

          I think some Malay girl recently made fun of Kelantan passing their hudud bill on some youtube channel, there was quite an uproar. I don’t know about UMNO saying that hudud will face objection by Chinese, but I’m pretty sure even back then under Mahathir, UMNO by themselves were totally against PAS hudud. I faintly remember the newspaper and magazine articles, back then most if not all were pretty pro government in views.

          Right now like Helen said hudud has become a focal point of Malay unity. The question is not whether UMNO will not get Chinese votes even if it objects hudud, but whether UMNO will lose Malay votes if they object hudud.

          Right now I think it’s a hot potato game. DAP and PAS at their core should be polar opposites, despite how their representatives say to each other party supporters. The hudud issue forces this to come out.

          Some might say UMNO played a hand in PAS going through with hudud but those people thinks too much of UMNO. If that were true UMNO would have goaded PAS to go with hudud since after GE 12. DAP and PKR MB Selangor antics would probably be the thing that pushed PAS to do their thing.

          As for DAP I got a feeling their very loud objection is because they have other plans for this country that is the opposite of hudud and they told their supporters so.

  18. As we all know that the malay ppl hv personality temperement as we “called melancholic .Melancholic groups hv deep concern,tolerant and applying give and take system since 1957.When DAP hv won in 1969,they hv shown the true color but again and again the Malay leaders had given a chance to them.

    When all chinese ppl voted for PR in the last election till the Prime Minister said “apa lagi cina mahu”, i dont think that Malays are stupid to be cheated again.

    Now,Umno has agreed with hudud.So,kindly pls bite your finger when Muslims r united !
    Lim Kit Siang can find the nearest exit because of his extra ordinary high level of desires.

    I tell you if the dogs keep barking up at the hill, the hill stands still.Malays are consists of 64% but this dinasour always think that Malays are just 23% like their population.Diatribution of wealth 33% of each ethnic shows his stupidity.So if Indian consists of 10% will get 33% distribution of wealth? DUNGU.

    Good job helen.Adore u.

  19. Ms H. It is alleged that the MCA did not oppose Hudud in the Cabinet. Maybe their minds were on doing business with China like dumping cheap steel products, etc. They never change.

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