“The god of Islam and the God of the Bible are not the same” – American evangelist Rev. Graham

May 7, 2015 at 3:10 pm 32 comments

Uber evangelist Reverend Franklin Graham two days ago reminded the flock – see entry in his Facebook below – that Christians and Muslims do not share one and the same god.

Rev. Franklin is president of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. His father Billy Graham is “a Christian superstar” who broadcasts popular sermons globally.

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Rev. Billy Graham – see TIME magazine cover above – is credited with reaching “as many as 215 million people in live audiences over 185 countries” and “preaching to more individuals than anyone else in history, not counting the additional millions he has addressed through radio, television and the written word”.

Stepping into his father’s big shoes, Franklin “has led crusades around the world“. And this scion of the world famous evangelical family says unequivocally, “The god of Islam and the God of the Bible are not the same”.

So why is it that the evangelistas in Malaysia still insist on calling their God ‘Allah’?

BELOW: Hannah Yeoh campaigning in Permatang Pauh to move mountains

Hannah Permatang Pauh

Hannah, the Lamb of God

“As though it is not enough when leaders use racial politics to conceal corruption, it is more appalling when God is used as an excuse to justify leaders’ inability to govern,” Hannah Yeoh said.

“No eye has seen, no ear has heard and no human mind has conceived the plans of God for Malaysia.” – Hannah Yeoh.

“It’s quite simple: Do what is fair and just to your neighbour, to love mercy and to walk humbly with God. Anything else is beside the point.” – Hannah Yeoh

See,Don’t take God’s name in vain for political agenda‘ (The Ant Daily, 8 Jan 2015)

BELOW: DAP evangelista Serdang MP Ong Kian Ming

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  • 1. EVLee  |  May 7, 2015 at 4:01 pm

    “Hannah Yeoh campaigning in Permatang Pauh to move mountains”.
    There you go … you’ve got the answer to: “why she could see G Jerai – mountain top + foohill from Pmtg Pauh at eye/ground level”. G Jerai had been moved to a new location!
    (P/S: If anybody had made similar entry, pls delete mine. Thx)

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    • 2. AC-DC  |  May 8, 2015 at 3:31 pm

      Actually, Hannah did not mention Gunung Jerai in that Twitter post. She did not even mention the name of the hill, nor even mention the hill. It was Helen who brought Gunung Jerai into the picture (pun intended).

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  • 3. IT.Scheiss  |  May 7, 2015 at 4:21 pm

    “The god of Islam and the God of the Bible are not the same”

    I first heard the above statement around 15 years ago from a colleague at The Star who attended the Full Gospel Assembly church off Old Klang Road.

    The impression I get from some Christians is that that they also appear to believe that the god of the New Testament is different from the god of the Old Testament.

    The bottom line is that when humans quarrel over their respective conceptions and understandings of the one almighty God, it has resulted in the endless tribal, national and religious strife which has plagued the Middle East, to a lesser extent the Mediterranean and Europe for thousands of years past up to the present and into the future.

    Sincere clergy should be wary of politicians, NGOs, political activists and and lawyers out to use issues such as the “Allah” issue to incite the sentiments of the “fixed deposit” in Sabah and Sarawak for their political ends. Qui bono.

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    • 4. Helen Ang  |  May 7, 2015 at 4:28 pm

      re: “Sincere clergy should be wary of politicians”

      These days politicians are also clergy. Hannah Yeoh and James Ngeh Koo Ham are lay preachers.

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      • 5. Helen Ang  |  May 7, 2015 at 4:29 pm

        Postscript:

        Hannah is one up. She’s even a travelling preacher – spoken in different churches.

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        • 6. Mulan of Malaysia  |  May 7, 2015 at 4:50 pm

          Bible verse about misleading the flock.

          “New International Version
          “Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of my pasture!” declares the LORD.”
          Jeremiah 23:1

          http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/23-1.htm

          The Bible is very clear about preachers who mislead.

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      • 7. IT.Scheiss  |  May 7, 2015 at 7:39 pm

        Yes. Some ordained priests have also spoken party politics from the pulpit but not all do and there are others in their church who are against using the pulpit and church as a political platform.

        I do not have much experience of lay preachers, but I understand that it is quite easy to get some kind of certification.

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    • 8. Keris  |  May 8, 2015 at 12:34 am

      re: “The impression I get from some Christians is that that they also appear to believe that the god of the New Testament is different from the god of the Old Testament.”

      We Muslims believe that Jesus the Messiah came to revive Judaism and to provide true insight to the Jews of his times into the Ten Commandments of Moses. Jesus ( peace be upon him) never claimed himself to be divine in nature – although in Islam he is acknowledged as the “Spirit of Allah” (Ruhullah) blessed from birth, the pure and wise prophet of righteousness, master of miracles. His disciples make up the brethren of the Church of Jerusalem who were known as the Ebionites and a later branch of them called the Nestorians.

      Paul of Tarsus, his dogma of the sacrificial blood of the lamb Jesus Christ atoning universally for all mankind’s sins until Judgement Day was never taught by the Jewish Ebionites. It was his own cultic syncretism of the pagan mysteries of his day weaved into his traumatic and blinding experience on the road to Damascus while he was still persecuting the disciples of Jesus – about 20 years after the master’s ascension to heaven.
      So while every creature is created by the One True Lord Most Compassionate and Merciful, Mr. Graham and the “trinitarian” Christians of Emperor Constantine’s Roman Catholic Church and its later evolving schism and sects do truly conceive their God to be distinctly different in substance from Allah Most High and Sublime.

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      • 9. HH  |  May 8, 2015 at 10:02 am

        Quote: It was his own cultic syncretism of the pagan mysteries of his day weaved into his traumatic and blinding experience on the road to Damascus while he was still persecuting the disciples of Jesus – about 20 years

        List the source. It has never been established by scholars Paul ‘s experience with Jesus on the road of Damascus was 20 years after His resurrection . General consensus among the scholars date Paul’s encounter with Christ between AD37-40.

        http://www.matthewmcgee.org/paultime.html

        By the way, hope your conclusion indicting Paul, a central personality in the Christians’ Holy Book, as a heretic is your own informed consensus after a laborious study into biblical texts.

        Thrashing the beliefs of others is not cool.

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        • 10. Abdullah  |  May 8, 2015 at 10:31 pm

          http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Franklin-Graham-Islam-god-bible/2015/05/05/id/642796/

          The actual context of the Franklin statement:

          “Islam does not worship the God of the Bible, the Rev. Franklin Graham said in a Facebook post responding to the two men who attempted to attack an event in Texas on Sunday where artists drew pictures of Islam’s founder Muhammad. The gunmen, Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi, were shot to death after opening fire outside the art show/free speech event near Dallas. It is considered sacrilegious under Islam to produce an image of Muhammad, and the gunmen said they were committing their act in the name of the Islamic State (ISIS), which has since claimed credit for the attack . . . One of the Muslim gunmen in Garland, Texas, said he had come there to die, believing that this pleases his god and he would go to heaven,” Graham wrote on Tuesday. “The god of Islam and the God of the Bible are not the same. The god of Islam wants you to die for him. The God of the Bible sent His Son to die for us.”

          It is wrong to portray the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) as these images may lead to wrongful acts by misguided people to worship or pay obeisance to a graven image. The second commandment of Yahweh in the Ten Commandments of Moses says:

          “You shall have no other gods before Me [Y-H-W-H]. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, nor any manner of likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them, nor serve them. For I the Lord your G-d am a jealous G-d, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children of the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me; and showing mercy unto the thousandth generation of them that love Me and keep My commandments.”

          Even Jesus’ images were forbidden by some of the pious early Christian clergy of the Roman Church:

          http://www.all-of-grace.org/pub/others/images.html

          “Nowhere in the Bible, either in the Old Testament or New Testament, is there a physical description of Jesus Christ. Isn’t it strange that if God wanted to use the picture of Christ in spreading the Gospel or in worship, that we are not informed whether Jesus was tall or short, fair or dark, light or dark hair, blue eyes or brown eyes? ….. When pictures of Christ were first introduced in the church they were opposed. The Church historian Eusebius, who lived in the 4th century AD, declared himself in the strongest manner against making images of Christ. In his letter to the Empress Constantia who asked him for such an image, amongst other things Eusebius wrote: “Who can therefore counterfeit by dead and insensible colors, by the vain shadowing of a painter’s art, that bright and shining glory of Jesus? Whereas even his saintly disciples could not behold Jesus’ countenance in the mountain; and they therefore falling on their faces acknowledged they were unable to behold such a wondrous sight.” “

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          • 11. Abdullah  |  May 9, 2015 at 4:12 am

            However, that disingenuous event by some Americans does not legitimize the violent initiative of the two radical gunmen to slay human beings whom Muslims would consider to have erred. ISIS radicals do not represent the culture nor the jurisprudence of mainstream Islam.

            Shaykh Hamza: Is ‘Democracy’ compatible with Sharia Law?

            [YouTube]

            [YouTube]

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          • 12. HH  |  May 9, 2015 at 10:05 am

            Abdullah

            Only the Roman Catholic Church uses images as part of their worship. The Protestants don’t. But the Catholics did attempt to clarify their practices here…

            http://www.catholic.com/tracts/do-catholics-worship-statues

            When Emperor Constantine 1 embraced Christianity, it was more of a political move rather than a spiritual one. The fact that the Romans were ardent idolaters and art connoisseurs, certain compromises were made by the Church to enable Christianity to be more inclusive and culturally acceptable to the masses.

            Cheers

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            • 13. Abdullah  |  May 9, 2015 at 3:48 pm

              Thanks for the link HH,

              I think this viewpoint in the article accords with the Muslim position:

              “The Catechism of the Council of Trent (1566) taught that idolatry is committed ‘by worshipping idols and images as God, or believing that they possess any divinity or virtue entitling them to our worship, by praying to, or reposing confidence in them.’ ”

              “Allahu laisa ka mithlihi shaiun” meaning: Allah is like nothing that can at all be perceived or conceived by the senses or the mind.
              The Ultimate Reality is Allah All-Perfect and Transcendent beyond created space and time, and who is the Lord Sustainer of the Universe of Creation. To Allah alone is devotion and worship due.

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  • 14. Dandy  |  May 7, 2015 at 5:16 pm

    Also different for the god/Gods of Hindus , Taiosts, Confucianists, Sikh, Bahais compared to the Christians or Moslems.

    To each their own God/Gods and religion.

    Blame all these problems of Christians from East Malaysia for reading their bibles in Bahasa Indonesia/Malay and calling their God Allah. They should only read English Language Bibles.

    Those who are not Christians should not call their parents Papa and Mama, Mother, Father, Mommy, Daddy etc. It belongs to them also.

    Those who are not Taiosts should not burn kemeyan, wear black, wear yellow, headbands, armbands, legbands, burn candles, play with firecrackers, play Monopoly monies cos all these were used by them long before anyone else.

    Those who are not Moslems should not only used the name Allah but also a long list of other names as provided by State Islamic bodies.

    Those who are not Buddhists should not use any words originating from Sanskrit.

    Those who are not Hindus should not use any Urdu/Tamil words originating from India.

    Those who are not Arabs should not use any Arabic words originating from the Middle East.

    Aren’t everyone hypocrites to God/Gods?

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    • 15. Whatever  |  May 7, 2015 at 7:58 pm

      Dandy,

      There is a vast difference between Allah and His creation, the Creator is most perfect and do not make any mistakes. If there is an obvious discrepancies in the current Holy Bible Books then it was possibly being created or modified by human hands.

      “The god of Islam and the God of the Bible are not the same” – American evangelist Rev. Graham.

      If we put that these American Evangelist are speaking on behalf of their church members inclusive the Malaysian made Evangelista under Hannah Yeoh then clearly both have different opinion regarding God. Malaysian Christian church members should asked their local padre and Hannah Yeoh too about these prime QUESTIONS:

      1. Why did the Holy Bible is in absence of any Godly names before?
      2. Since these Biblical God name changes in the Holy Book are being “created” during this century. Are the Malaysian Evangelista are creating a new religion?
      3. Or are their Evangelista church priestess and priest are doing an experimental religion?
      4. Would an experimental religion can essentially be a true faith?
      5. Authentically which God is the correct God in the “Evangelistical” point of view. Would it be the American made or the made in Malaysia Christian Evangelista faith opinion?

      Conclusively, the Christian really have a big problem with their church holy book to begin with. Please do not mess up with Islam. Interestingly, ALLAH the All Knowing Creator knew that the Malaysian Evangelista church will have an obvious faith problems and are trying to mess up with Islamic faith. For us as a typical Malaysian the Evangelista are clinging on their half baked faith cakes (Nak terima utk consumation memang tak bolih nanti boleh jatuh sakit).

      To that ALLAH has explicitly decreed the following verses in the Noble Al Quran more than 1400 years ago to instruct the Muslim to utters the WORDS to the non Muslim.

      Surah Al Kafirun 109:1 -6

      In The Name Of Allah Most Gracious Most Merciful.
      109:1 Say, “O disbelievers,
      109:2 I do not worship what you worship.
      109:3 Nor are you worshippers of what I worship.
      109:4 Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship.
      109:5 Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship.
      109:6 For you is your religion, and for me is my religion.”

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    • 16. Mulan  |  May 7, 2015 at 8:28 pm

      Dandy can become Grand Bishop of the Church of Jerusubang. (New religion)
      But Church of Scientology is better because Tom Cruise is hot

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  • […] “The god of Islam and the God of the Bible are not the same” – American evangelist Rev. Graham https://helenang.wordpress.com/2015/05/07/the-god-of-islam-and-the-god-of-the-bible-are-not-the-same… […]

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  • 18. g  |  May 8, 2015 at 7:27 am

    Evangelicals are just plain creepy. Seriously they give me goosebumps.

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  • 19. Jeff  |  May 8, 2015 at 10:11 am

    Of course they are not the same. Christians believe that Christ is God and per the Bible, Christ has warned his followers not to accept any other teachings. He said that many will come in his name and will teach another Gospel, and not to believe them.

    This might upset my Muslim friends but I will tell you the official teaching of the Catholic Church (which lets face it is actually the only true Christian Church) and I hope Helen posts this.The teaching on Islam is that it’s a false religion that denies the true triune nature of God. A lot of Catholics believe that it’s of diabolical origins and while it’s unclear what the stance of the Church is on this, it’s without question a common belief amongst many Catholics. The Church teaches however that Muslims themselves must be loved and accepted by Catholics as Muslims cannot be blamed for following the false religion of Islam.

    So have no idea why Helen decided to post this pointless article when it’s so painfully clear that the two religions preach a completely different creed from each other.

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    • 20. Mulan of Malaysia  |  May 10, 2015 at 2:55 pm

      “but I will tell you the official teaching of the Catholic Church (which lets face it is actually the only true Christian Church)”

      Jeff, so the others like Methodist, Anglican etc are not true. Oh dear.

      [Point one finger and three will point back.]

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  • 21. Jeff  |  May 8, 2015 at 10:17 am

    “So why is it that the evangelistas in Malaysia still insist on calling their God ‘Allah’?”

    And here I was thinking that the Herald was a Catholic publication.

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    • 22. Helen Ang  |  May 8, 2015 at 10:24 am

      Ong Kian Ming is a DAP evangelista.

      SIB – a big church that has drawn non-pribumi too in the Klang Valley – is evangelical and they use ‘Allah’.

      The Catholics under the current leadership are evangelizing. Generally Christian triumphalism is on the rise in Malaysia in tandem with Muslim fundamentalism.

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      • 23. Whatever  |  May 8, 2015 at 1:03 pm

        Dear Helen,

        To me ….. In other words these Evangelista politician have been using the Catholic entity as a proxy for their cunning political agendas. Didn’t a majority of the Politician are quite simply a professional “actors and actress?”

        All this while,the Catholic followers have been taken for a ride by these self appointed HOLY SEE’s goon. They are playing a safe game at least for themselves only, if anything unforeseen happen due to their uncertain decision and implementation. Then its the Catholic church that shall take all the blames, For these self appointed politician HOLY SEE the Catholic entity is just a buffer that will nevertheless received the impact good or bad. Their modus operandi I must say is very effective and convincing. (because even the PAS ulamak pun pernah tertipu dgn mereka ini). with the kalimah ALLAH issues.

        In actuality these Malaysian made Evangelista priestess and priest HOLY SEE’s church preaching and salvation for the peoples are quite simply full of holes !!!.

        Thank you again for allowing my posting to appear in your very interesting site.

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        • 24. HH  |  May 8, 2015 at 3:07 pm

          Quote: All this while,the Catholic followers have been taken for a ride by these self appointed HOLY SEE’s goon. They are playing a safe game at least for themselves only, if anything unforeseen happen due to their uncertain decision and implementation. Then its the Catholic church that shall take all the blames,

          Maybe you ought to rein in your overactive imagination before it further venture into more muddle territoy. The Allah lawsuit was brought on by the Titular Roman Catholic Archbishop of Kuala Lumpur vs the Malaysian Government and several of its agencies. The judgment upholding the ban on the word ‘Allah’ pertains to the Herald Publication.(a Roman Catholic publication for you) Your insinuation this is some kind of set up initiated by the Protestants at the expense of the Catholics is obtuse at best because to attribute some kind of malice to your observation would mean acknowledging some serious thoughts on your part.

          The Roman Catholic Church was within their right to seek redress on the ban of a certain word in their bahasa publication. No, it has nothing to do with the Protestants. The only connection to be forged by this lawsuit is the seldom seen solidarity between the 2 churches on this issue.

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        • 25. The Rithmatist  |  May 8, 2015 at 3:50 pm

          I, suppose, following on from your logic, that followers of Islam have “been taken for a ride” by the “self appointed goons” of ISIS and Al Qaeda?

          Oh, yes, ISIS. Something that Helen continues to evade in her analysis of all things “evangelists”.

          Now, what was that about being “under tempurungs(sic)” again?

          There was an AFP report yesterday with the heading “US targets ISIS leaders with multimillion-dollar bounties” under the “Rewards for Justice” programme:

          Abdel Rahman Mustafa al-Qaduli (US$7 million)
          Abu Mohammed al-Adani (US$5 million)
          Omar al-Shisani (US$5 million)
          Tariq bin al-Tahar bin al-Falih al-Awni al-Harzi (US$3 million)

          Not forgetting, of course, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi (US$10 million).

          Which God do you think the above-named individuals are following?

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          • 26. Whatever  |  May 8, 2015 at 4:48 pm

            Al QAEDA is an entity that only existed in the CIA files. A virtual enemy created by CIA to provide factual reason for invasive purposes. ISIS = Israeli Secret Intelligence Service, I got that info from a liberal Jews website based in America. Many Muslim from all over the world are being influence into their (ISIS) falsehood Jihad.

            All in all if you like, it’s the Islamic religion that have taken for a ride.

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            • 27. Abdullah  |  May 10, 2015 at 9:57 am

              Every deed will be judged according to its underlying intentions. Self-conceit and arrogance will nullify the spiritual merit of what outwardly appears to be good deeds.

              * On the authority of Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say:

              “The first of people against whom judgment will be pronounced on the Day of Resurrection will be a man who died as a “martyr”. He will be brought forth and Allah will make known to him His favours and the man will acknowledge them. The Lord Almighty will say: ‘And what did you do about them?’ He will say: ‘I fought for Thee until I died as a martyr.’ But the Lord says: ‘You have lied – you fought in order that you would be praised: ‘He is such a courageous man! And so that was said by people.’ Then the order will be given to drag the man along on his face to be cast into Hell-fire.

              Then there will be a man who had studied [religious] knowledge and had taught it and who used to recite the Quran. He will be brought forth and Allah will make known to him His favours and he will acknowledge them. The Almighty Lord will say: ‘And what did you do about them?’ He will say: ‘I studied religious knowledge and I taught it to others and I recited the Quran for Thy sake. But the Lord says: ‘You have lied – you gained the [religious] knowledge so that others would say: ‘He is such a learned man! And you recited the Quran that it might be said about you: ‘He is such a Quranic reciter!’ And people said that. Then the order will be given to drag the man along on his face to be cast into Hell-fire.

              Next will be a man whom Allah had made wealthy and to whom He had given all kinds of possessions. He will be brought forth and Allah will make known to him His favours and the man will recognize them. The Almighty Lord will say: ‘And what did you do about them?’ He will reply: ‘I left no path untrodden in which You would approve spending my money on for Thy sake’. But the Lord says: ‘You have lied – you did all that so others would say: ‘He is so generous!’ And so it was said. Then the order will be given to drag the man along on his face to be cast into Hell-fire.

              (related by Muslim, at-Tirmizi and an-Nasa’i).

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      • 28. Mulan of Malaysia  |  May 8, 2015 at 5:20 pm

        “The Catholics under the current leadership are evangelizing.”

        http://anilnetto.com/religion-and-ethnicity/christianity/pas-makes-courtesy-call-to-new-penang-bishop/

        There it is. Throwback to 2012. PAS leaders have been visiting the Bishop since then – for friendship. I don’t see any MCA or Gerakan leader visiting Catholic churches for friendship. UMNO, never!

        “A delegation of about a dozen representatives from the Islamic party, Pas, made a courtesy call to the new Catholic bishop of the Penang Diocese, Sebastian Francis, at his office at the Cathedral of the Holy Spirit yesterday to congratulate him on his recent appointment.”

        Best of all, PAS was there to congratulate on the appointment as bishop.
        You have never seen the The Malaysian Consultative Council of Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism and Taoism (MCCBCHST) making a courtesy and congratulation call! Isn’t the congratulatory call their job?

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        • 29. The Rithmatist  |  May 9, 2015 at 11:58 am

          Is that because Umno fears that those of their members who are lackadaisical or less than fervent in their faith will be bamboozled and conned by Catholic pastors and faithful?

          I suppose that is the message of being wary about attempts to evangelise and proselytise that Umno wants to get across.

          But you can’t stop the Catholic Church from evangelising. The Church’s direction has been set by Pope Francis.

          And you can’t ban the Catholic Church in Malaysia, on the grounds of national security, either. Because that would open a Pandora’s Box that will open the country to external countermeasures.

          Alarmist? Or just stating the facts.

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          • 30. mulanmalaysia  |  May 9, 2015 at 6:58 pm

            Nobody is asking for the banning of the church. I am asking the church to not get itself tangled with any partitions of politics.

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            • 31. Kineas  |  May 10, 2015 at 9:43 am

              Which “church” are you referring to? Catholic, Protestant, Evangelical?

              And when you wrote “partitions of politics”(sic), I presume you meant “partisan politics”?

              The perils of navigating the English Language….

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        • 32. The Rithmatist  |  May 9, 2015 at 5:59 pm

          I was doing some research on the Internet on the Catholic Church of The Immaculate Conception in Johor Bahru.

          According to the church’s website, the land on which the church is built was gifted by the late Sultan Abu Bakar of Johor.

          Further interesting details are contained in the website, including the provenance of a statue of the Blessed Virgin Mary that was donated to the church.

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