Last time we didn’t allow Vietnamese boat people to stay either

May 16, 2015 at 9:59 am 41 comments

And neither did the Vietnamese refugees want to stay in Malaysia. They headed on to Australia and other Western countries. They were economic refugees.

Thousands of Sri Lanka Tamils too have recently sailed to Australia to seek asylum. They would rather sail a distance of roughly 5,000 nautical miles to Australia than sail to across the Palk Strait separating Sri Lanka from Tamil Nadu, India which is only 35 nautical miles wide.

MAP: Sri Lanka to Australia

Colombo Hobart

Sri Lanka Tamil Nadu

MAP: Sri Lanka to Tamil Nadu, India

If the Sri Lankan Tamils are really escaping a humanitarian crisis, then why not take refuge with their kinsmen across the narrow Palk Strait in India who share the same Tamil language, culture and religion? Why the need to sail all the way to Australia?


Historical background as to how the British imperialists imported Bengalis into Burma just like the British bringing Indian indentured workers into Malaya to tap rubber and do manual labour – HERE


Marina Mahathir’s tweet below demanding for our government to “show leadership” – which implies following her prescription on dealing with (these) ‘illegal immigrants’.

Marina also retweeted, “So many racists in the comment section” referring to readers’ responses to the Rohingya boat people story.

The Myanmar migrants paid human traffickers/smugglers to get them here.

Flashback: It was the Mahathir government that refused to accept the Vietnamese refugees back then. Presently Putrajaya has resolved to turn away the Myanmar boat people. But no other country in the world is accepting them either. Not Thailand, not Indonesia, not Singapore and certainly not Australia.

No country wants to be saddled with an influx of Bengali and Bangladeshi migrants by opening the floodgates.

Shamshul Anuar commented @ 2015/05/16 at 7:45 am,

“As for Hannah, she is a hypocrite. She better cook something for these misplaced people. Then she knows how messy it is. Tweeting is easy.

The Rohingya mostly live in in northern Rakhine state where they make up more than 90 percent of the population of one million there. They make up 9 out of 10 people residing there so they should be the ones in control through sheer majority numbers.

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  • 2. orangkampung  |  May 16, 2015 at 10:37 am

    You are right. The Vietnamese refugees were economic refugees who did not want to settle here, and they were sort of promised settlement in the US, Canada and other nations. Vietnam was a problem created by the US and they wanted the US to take responsibility and housed them.

    M’sia was just a transit centre and even then we were burdened by the overwhelming number of boat people who turned up while the placement out was a slow tedious process, and it was also a financial burden to our nation. TDM, the DPM then, made headlines in the US when he threatened to shoot them.

    The Rohingya, on the other hand are totally without a country – stateless. No identity with a nation, no passport, no recognition from other countries.

    As Myanmar is a member state of ASEAN, ASEAN should use that forum to work out a resolution to the problem. But until that is formalised, there should be some stopgap measure to help these people out, not leave them sailing in unsafe boats to die at seas.

    I know some among us kick cats and dogs for sport, but do we want to go to the level of kicking another human? And where are all the human rights activists?

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    • 3. Helen Ang  |  May 16, 2015 at 2:13 pm

      re: “there should be some stopgap measure to help these people out, not leave them sailing in unsafe boats to die at seas”

      Saying “No” to this boatload is the hard (‘need to be cruel to be kind’) decision to stop the outflow at source, i.e. so that no more of them will be paying human traffickers in unsafe boats and risk dying at sea.

      If they see that this batch of boat people have ‘succeeded’, then more will follow suit.

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  • 4. Hunter  |  May 16, 2015 at 10:53 am

    Last time we allowed 2 million Red ICs a citizenship during Mahathir time to withdraw communists from Malaysia… ayyo

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    • 5. Helen Ang  |  May 16, 2015 at 2:02 pm

      Aren’t you getting the timeline a bit mixed up? The Merdeka citizenships to quell “communist” revolt was during Tunku’s tenure lah.

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    • 6. shamshul anuar  |  May 16, 2015 at 7:47 pm

      Hunter,

      “..to withdraw…

      Not sure about that. A solution must be found for these Chinese and Indians as British were leaving. India already achieved independence in 1947 and Britain cant ship Indians in Malaya to India anymore. China is a communist country and Britain has no ties then with the country.

      The colonial power was reeling from war and unable to absorb Chinese and indians in millions. So they asked Raja raja melayus to accept these people.

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      • 7. Helen Ang  |  May 16, 2015 at 8:30 pm

        And so the Raja-raja Melayu accepted these people in 1952 and 1957. Did any good come out of the decision?

        But now Malaysia would not be so foolish to repeat the same mistake by taking in boatloads of people that no other country in the world wants, right (or then again…).

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        • 8. shamshul anuar  |  May 16, 2015 at 9:51 pm

          Helen,

          The Raja Raja melayu would not have been so accomodating if they could have seen the attitude of the likes of Kit Siang, Guan Eng or Hannah Yeoh.

          As for Rohingyas, Malaysia must be firm. As Malaysia is currently hosting more than 130000 of them even before the boat loads landing on our shores, United nation actually(short of saying it) expects we to take care of the problem. But it is not our problem.

          United Nation must shoulder the problem. Malaysia is actually over stretches its capability in hosting them. And there is social problem such as begging that is testing our patience.

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          • 9. Helen Ang  |  May 16, 2015 at 10:55 pm

            re: “But it is not our problem.”

            Agree! We’re the only soft country (our neighbours are taking a ‘No Compromise’ stance) and exposing ourselves to social disorder and endangering national security.

            Other countries are very strict about their borders and immigrants, e.g. Switzerland.

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  • 10. Abd Rahman Harun  |  May 16, 2015 at 11:06 am

    Rohingya should meanwhile be rescued and helped. They should be kept together in a specially definable area…something like Pulau Bidong; where once Vietnamese refugees were held and after due process sent back to Vietnam or to an adoptive country. The situation now is different. We cant fork out RM 50 daily to upkeep thousands of them. And we do not know for how long. If Myanmar is unwilling to allow their safe return, then Myanmar has to face sanction and even expel from Asean. Its time really, to check the justness or virtue of honoring Su Kyi with Nobel Peace Prize. Where is her her humanity?. Malaysia is in need of labor. Train and utilze them for this purpose productively.

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    • 11. Helen Ang  |  May 16, 2015 at 2:01 pm

      re: “Malaysia is in need of labor. Train and utilze them for this purpose productively.”

      Afterwards the Dapsters again complain that 40,000 unqualified Bangladeshis illegally vote in the next election (GE14) and then the ABU vigilante squads will beat them up in the streets.

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  • 13. HH  |  May 16, 2015 at 11:31 am

    Quote Wikipedia: According to various local surveys conducted after the riots of 2012, it was found that if the +1 million diaspora outside Burma were included, the Rohingya Muslims would constitute about 40.75 % of the population of the state of Rakhine (excluding the diaspora, they would constitute about 20 % of the population of the state of Rakhine), making them the second largest ethnic group after the Rakhine people.

    The Rohingya is 20% of the Rakhine state population of 3.12 million. Myanmar population is 53.26 million.(2013)

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    • 14. Helen Ang  |  May 16, 2015 at 1:27 pm

      Really HH, you should learn how to read better and more carefully.

      How could you miss that my write-up said ~ NORTHERN ~ Rakhine state or NRS – see screenshot below of the Reuters Factbox for the source of my figures.

      “The majority are in northern Rakhine state (NRS) which encompasses three townships – Buthidaung, Rathedaung and Maungdaw – and abuts the border with Bangladesh. Rohingya make up 91 percent of the estimated 1 million people living in NRS …”

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      FACTBOX – Facts and figures about Myanmar’s Rohingya @ http://www.trust.org/item/20140725075214-vrpmu/

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      • 15. HH  |  May 16, 2015 at 2:34 pm

        Does your factbox dispute

        1. Rakhine state population is 3.12 million?
        2. The Rohinya population is 20% of Rakhine state?
        3. Myanmar population is 53.26 million?

        So?

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        • 16. Helen Ang  |  May 16, 2015 at 2:40 pm

          Do you have any issues that I wrote, “The Rohingya mostly live in in northern Rakhine state where they make up more than 90 percent of the population of one million there” or were you just being ultra kiasu?

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          • 17. HH  |  May 16, 2015 at 4:20 pm

            Gee, why you think that?

            No, not at all.

            But now that you mention it, your
            ‘they make up 9 out of 10 people residing there so they should be the ones in control through sheer majority numbers.’..

            did make me wonder if you ought to give your usual marauding quest a rest, at least on this subject, on humanitarian grounds.

            Cheers

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            • 18. Helen Ang  |  May 16, 2015 at 4:29 pm

              If you can give likewise your evangelical Christianity showboating a rest too. It’s so easy to posture. Anyone can mouth love-love-love kumbayah or heartache/heartbreak and welling tears.

              It’s the difficult decision that’s a challenge but of course you’re too self-indulgent for that. Cheers.

              I’m with out Government on this unlike the grandstanding opposition to which you belong.

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              • 19. HH  |  May 16, 2015 at 7:11 pm

                Quote: It’s the difficult decision that’s a challenge but of course you’re too self-indulgent for that..

                If you are with the Govt on the Rohingya issue then just own it.

                Don’t try to putar belit and villify the Rohingya sympathizers as cowards for not willing to make the ‘hard decisions’, K?

                What makes you think taking the easy way out by turning boatloads of hungry men,women and children away is the ‘difficult decision’?

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                • 20. Helen Ang  |  May 16, 2015 at 8:36 pm

                  On the contrary, it is uols the Angels of Mercy showboaters who vilify those who say ‘No’ as heartless ogres. But of course, we know the value of your (not ‘you’ specifically) perpetually “troubled hearts”. It’s about as genuine as that tudung on the munafiq’s head.

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                • 21. Helen Ang  |  May 16, 2015 at 8:36 pm

                  On the contrary, it is uols the Angels of Mercy showboaters who vilify those who say ‘No’ as heartless ogres. But of course, we know the value of your (not ‘you’ specifically) perpetually “troubled hearts”. It’s about as genuine as that tudung on the munafiq’s head.

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  • 22. grkumar  |  May 16, 2015 at 12:20 pm

    To jump on a boat and to end up on dry land somewhere without papers and to claim you are refugee is quite simple. many a journalist has documented this journey and how easily it can be done.

    All you have to prove at the other end (and it is a highly subjective test) i that you have a well founded fear of persecution if you are returned to your country of origin.

    These days that test is being tightened up a little more by those “high moral” western nations like Australia who now find themselves swamped by these “refugees”.

    Malaysia and its neighbours by a large majority are not signatories to the UN Human Rights conventions and neither are they bound except by good conscience to take these people in.

    It was first Europe that learned that by taking in Arab refugees they had allowed and financed many a terrorist group from which they can now neither undo the damage nor admit to it because it is politically inconvenient for them to do so.

    Canada, the UK and Germany learned the hard way by admitting Tamil refugees from Sri Lanka they also allowed into their countries a Trojan Horse which unloaded a large number of Tamil Tiger cadres who set up intricate and sophisticated networks for the smuggling of arms and illegal transfer of money from illegal activities in these countries back to Jaffna.

    Interestingly enough, many of the so called resettled and ‘redeemed” Chinese communists of the MCM (in fact the Chinese Communist Party of Malaya) get visas to travel to places like Australia and the US where an application for a visa requires the applicant to make a declaration that they have never been a member of a terrorist organization or an armed organization involved in belligerence against a friendly nation. I am sure under their new names they answer: NO.

    It just goes to show you how the demographic time bomb now arriving at all our doorsteps will change the shape of races and customs, historical perspectives, language and laws, customs and order in a few decades to come unless it is stopped.

    it may be sad and “inhumane” to stop the boats but it is something that has to be done. No one has an unfettered right to enter the country of another for whatever the reason. That was why John Berthelsen was refused re entry to Malaysia to attend his hearing. It is the sovereign right of any nation to refuse a deportee or someone whose visa was revoked or cancelled to come back.

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  • 23. Roslan othamn  |  May 16, 2015 at 12:50 pm

    Hai Helen,
    Kenapa la kita patut terima ini semua ia kita boleh bantu untuk sementara tapi tak boleh ka Dunia dan bangsa bangsa bersatu bertindak atas myanmar , ini semua rakyatnya dan dan dia buat masaalah kenapa orang lain kena beban , sepatutnya myanmar di paksa dangan berbagai cara untuk tunduk dan bersikap adil pada rakyatnya , bukan buat zalim dan orang lain kena tanggung.

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  • 24. Mulan  |  May 16, 2015 at 12:52 pm

    ‘No country wants to be saddled with an influx of Bengali and Bangladeshi migrants by opening the floodgates.’

    Bingo.

    When the refugees stay for more than 6 months in transit, then we will hear some other musings from our Malaysian race.

    Worst of all if the Rohingyas could pick up Malay and Chinese dialects, you will hear a new side musings from Hannah and her technicolor family.

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  • 25. IT.Scheiss  |  May 16, 2015 at 1:17 pm

    Having been to thriving and bustling Ho Chi Minh City twice, I do not believe that Vietnamese today have a valid reason to seek refugee status in other countries.

    Shortly after the U.S. imperialists were expelled from Vietnam and the country reunified, those Vietnamese who supported the former pro-US regimes may have had valid reasons to flee reprisals but I do not believe any longer today.

    However, the Rohingyas may be different, since the majority of Burmese who are Buddhists do not accept them as their ethnic fellows and they are being oppressed by the military who have the guns.

    Moreover, there are Buddhist monks who actually violate their commitment as monks to stay out of politics which is worldly, when their mission as monks should be spiritual development and to help others in spiritual development, and not to spread enmity, hatred and further delusion.

    If they feel that strongly about worldly politics, they should leave the monkhood, which is quite permissible in Buddhism. For example in Thailand, many boys and men voluntarily spend some time as monks, even just for a few weeks or months like young adult males do national service in some countries.

    That said of course, I agree that there definitely is abuse of refugee claims by economic migrants. For example, young Burmese migrants in their early 20s claiming fear of persecution or even death by the military regime if they are sent home is rather suspicious since they were most probably not even born when the military cracked down on the pro-democracy student protestors back in the late 1980s.

    Thus one has to be careful not to fall for such template excuses and reasons given without thinking about it carefully in light of more recent and current circumstances.

    Like there was a case of a Malaysian woman who illegally overstayed in the U.S. and worked as a prostitute there and contracted HIV. She was caught and argued that she if she was deported to Malaysia, she would not be able to obtain the same quality of HIV treatment in Malaysia as she could get in the U,S. and she ran Malaysia’s medical system down.

    Whilst there is some truth in what she claimed, in this case, I have no sympathy for her, since she brought it upon herself by being a prostitute there, when had she stayed in Malaysia and found respectable work, she would most probably have got HIV in the first place.

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    • 26. Helen Ang  |  May 16, 2015 at 1:39 pm

      re: “She was caught and argued that she if she was deported to Malaysia, she would not be able to obtain the same quality of HIV treatment in Malaysia as she could get in the U,S. and she ran Malaysia’s medical system down.”

      Why am I not surprised?

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      • 27. C72  |  May 16, 2015 at 3:21 pm

        That is so unfair. I have seen the high level of HIV/AIDS care that our local hospitals give and they literally saved a friend of mine from the brink of death.

        The US is welcome to keep that … lady to themselves!

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  • 28. asiok  |  May 16, 2015 at 1:57 pm

    Pigs, last time those who ran away from Vietnam are communist Vietnamese mostly of chinese descedenant. Who ironically fought the western powers like French, USA american together with followers of Ho Chi Minh. Almost 3 millions of them but only 1 million fled Vietnam . Lastly Malaysia goverment housed them in several islands as transit near east coast. Most known is Pulau Redang. The rohingas issue could be more complicated as some could be Blangadeshi who are taking advantages of the situation for a free ride. Situation is worse since Myammar not cooperative. THE Yangoon goverment could be cooperative by registering the guinue Rohinga who are about 1 million to repatrate to other country. Without this could see 100 millions Bangladeshi un genuine refuge fleeing.Since already so many Rohingas in South east asia another million is not too big an issue. But have to ensure genuine.

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    • 29. Helen Ang  |  May 16, 2015 at 2:06 pm

      re: “Most known is Pulau Redang.”

      Pulau Bidong, I believe.

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  • 30. norman fernandez  |  May 16, 2015 at 3:56 pm

    I am prepared to tow them back to sea, men women and children.

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    • 31. mundu  |  May 17, 2015 at 1:47 pm

      what would jesus do norman?

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  • 32. mulanmalaysia  |  May 16, 2015 at 6:40 pm

    Did you see the latest 101 East?
    I am sure HH and Ritmatist would love the show.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/101east/2015/05/malaysia-crackdown-freedom-150513113040034.html

    You get you favourite heroes Nurul, Eric, Zunar, even the Indian who wanted to sue the Queen telling us how sucky Malaysia is. There are cameos by Tokong and Kipas.

    You get to see Rosmah jokes too.

    Too bad Hannah was not in the show.

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    • 33. HH  |  May 16, 2015 at 11:47 pm

      Mulan

      Bingeing on a constant diet of cynicism and spite is really not good for you.

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      • 34. islam1st  |  May 17, 2015 at 12:21 am

        ‘spite’

        You nak kata kat ‘madame’ yang satu lagi kut?

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  • 35. Setem  |  May 16, 2015 at 7:53 pm

    A friend made a cursory remark over this issue recently, “It is most unsettling that our GST money is being used to feed those illegal immigrants!”.

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  • 36. Owl  |  May 16, 2015 at 9:31 pm

    I hope that these people get rescued by the malaysian government. It spoils my enjoyment of my daiquiri on the beach if their bodies are washing ashore.

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    • 37. Helen Ang  |  May 16, 2015 at 9:43 pm

      The Thai and Indonesian gomens gave them food and water. The Malaysian gomen has also given them provisions and fuel, according to news reports.

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  • 38. RINA  |  May 16, 2015 at 11:47 pm

    Itu HH or Dandy asking ISMA to go n fight out internationally, instead why not take d initiative to motivate their human rights gangs like Ambiga and Bersih to go help these people?

    This Ambiga received some sort of sijil fm Mdm Obama (dlm gambar sengeh macam kerang busuk), serves no purpose sekadar nak gantung sijil Kat dinding sja.

    If US n their close buddies helped set up Israel for the Jews, haiyaa get Ambiga to ask them to do something for these stateless boat people ma.

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    • 39. islam1st  |  May 17, 2015 at 12:22 am

      ‘This Ambiga received some sort of sijil fm Mdm Obama’

      Itu olang dapat tugasan untuk ABU saja!!!

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  • 40. jentayu  |  May 17, 2015 at 9:27 am

    Better we give people like marina or dr asri who argue in the name of humanitarian and helping among muslim brothers one rohingyan each to take care of.

    They should not just talk endlessly about what the government should do whilst sipping expensive coffee at high end cafes or at the comfort of a mufti office.

    At the same time keep mum, support or have no idea on the wrongdoings of evangelist.

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  • 41. Onsleuth Amir Yahya  |  May 17, 2015 at 12:26 pm

    Article by RBA masquerading as Johan Bakri. Most elaborate BS article I ever read. Believe me, if Malaysia accept this Rohingya Refugee, maybe he’ll writing another article.http://www.borneoherald.com/2013/01/population-re-engineering.html

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