Just where are all those pregnant women?

May 22, 2015 at 11:34 pm 44 comments

Have you seen pictures of them?

Malay Mail columnist cum LGBT activist Azrul Mohd Khalib wrote,

“There are malnourished, sick, pregnant and dying adults and children on those boats. Where is our compassion for our fellow human beings?” as well as “… pregnant women, children and infants to suffer and die on those fishing boats stranded and adrift for months at sea”.

Marina Mahathir too mentioned “pregnant women” and the “old and sick” on the boats.

https://twitter.com/netraKL/status/599122369978900480

I’d really like to see any photos of the said pregnant women and the sickly old folks, please. Anyone got the link/url?

I take Marina to be referring to elderly, sick passengers. Otherwise any ordinary person can be sick on a boat as well. If I’m put in a boat (and I’m not old), I’m sure I’d also be seasick.

A comment at Rocky’s:

One Anon commenter – who labelled me ” Ms Cinapiggie ” – has called for me to be exported back to Tongsan in a boat.

The Anon commenter above at Rocky’s further insinuates that I’m unable to speak proper bahasa Melayu. He mocks, “Lu sindili what kine of peeper, Ms Cinapiggie? Ask yourself, maaa. Celminkan dili sindili dulu, worrr…”

Rocky Anon commenter

Please make a note that such non-racist, beautiful Firsters like Anon 12:01 pm are the same kind of people who support the illegal immigrants swamping our shores, and proud of the mineral water and Maggi Mee that they’re willing to donate as “humanitarian relief” to the boat arrivals.

BELOW: @hannahyeoh tweeted “DAP terus membantu tanpa mengira kaum, agama dan fahaman politik!” / “DAP paling berjaya bantu mangsa selepas banjir mega Kelantan (TMI)

banjir @hannahyeoh

Their achy, breaky hearts

I believe Anon 12:01 pm at Rocky’s is the same commenter calling himself dodhere who wrote @ 2015/05/21 at 7:25 am, “Karma is a bitch Helen. So are you”.

I had replied him, “Screaming ‘bitch’ is not an argument. It just makes you sound like a pansy.”

Wearing heart on sleeve like an armband

Wearing heart on sleeve like a Nazi armband

“Ms Cinapiggie boleh balik Tongsan leh”

I’ve noticed that Malaysia’s most merciful people – i.e. the ones who are asking their less compassionate countrymen to “have a heart” – are themselves being overly emotional.

Wearing their heart on the sleeve, they resort to name-calling, hurling cheap shots, being self-righteous and using loaded language “pregnant women”, “children”, “old and sick” to elicit knee-jerk responses from sympathetic members of the public.

BELOW: “Kak Helen (aka Ms Cinapiggie) should be put on a boat and exported back to Tongsan”, said Anon 12:01 pm

Well, if last time Malaya did not open the floodgates and allowed all the “Mr and Ms Cinapiggies” from Tongsan to swamp the shores of the Malay peninsula, then there wouldn’t be any cause for Anon 12:01 pm to now be mocking our pelat pendatang Cina and demanding that I be deported back to my motherland, would there?

It seems to me that bleeding heart liberals like Anon 12:01 pm are such “easily confused” people drenched in their own self-contradictions.

BELOW: Rocky’s blog commenter asking me to “celminkan dili sindili dulu, worrr”

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44 Comments Add your own

  • 1. RINA  |  May 22, 2015 at 11:52 pm

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-military-ship-joins-efforts-to-reach-rohingya-muslims.aspx?pageID=238&nID=82639&NewsCatID=510

    Rithmatist, HH apa dah jadi sekarang ni?

    Salute to Gambia and Turkey. Subhanallah!

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  • 13. afendihamat  |  May 23, 2015 at 12:55 am

    DAP paling berjaya bantu mangsa banjir???

    Seriously??? What has she been smoking?

    Peddling hogwash like that is common among these “low class” politicians from DAP I guess.

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  • 14. islam1st  |  May 23, 2015 at 1:23 am

    ‘my motherland’

    Helen, motherland you bukan Malaysia ke? Konpius nih??

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  • 15. EVLee  |  May 23, 2015 at 3:09 am

    1. I had jumped straightaway into this ‘assigment’, looking at news, photos and scoured some videos … for hours. Found none … nil, zip, yillek! Something is wrong. Went through the ‘question’ again … repeated the process, still got nothing. Again … and again.
    2. I had wanted to give up just now, when I noticed the ‘sickly OLD folks’ thing. Well … two videos had Malay speaking migrants and their reasons for being at sea were to make it to Malaysia, having relatives here and for money(to work). Considering ‘The PERILOUS JOURNEY that they had to go through’ plus ‘coming over TO WORK’ … I’ll have to take ‘OLD FOLKS’ out from the equation. I’ll close my file on this.
    3. For the pregnant women thing … no luck with photos nor videos. Hey … I did try very very hard looking for mounds or bumps on their tummies, you know. As for the news:
    a. Jan 31 2013 – Rohingya refugees, including two pregnant women and an 8-day old baby landed in Surin Islands archipelago, North of Phuket.
    b. July 28 2013 – Indonesian fishermen rescued stranded Rohingya refugees including a pregnant woman and two babies off the coast near Banda Aceh.
    c. May 10 2015 – Rescuers brought ashore off Aceh, 469 migrants from Mynmar and Bangladesh, including a pregnant women.

    Hoping you’ll get something from the other folks.

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    • 16. Helen Ang  |  May 23, 2015 at 3:29 am

      re: ” I had jumped straightaway into this ‘assigment’, looking at news, photos and scoured some videos … for hours.”

      Thanks a lot for the effort.

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      • 17. shamshul anuar  |  May 23, 2015 at 8:36 am

        Helen,

        Malaysia and Indonesi a agreed to give temporary shelter for one year for these economic refugees.

        So I can expect they will be here for at least 20 years.

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  • 18. AYAH  |  May 23, 2015 at 8:37 am

    Well, it seems the Malay Mail reporting has gone down the drain too. If it allows articles that are inaccurate it says a lot about the kind journalism that MM is practicing.

    Another longkang newspaper or whatever you want to call it.

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  • 19. HY  |  May 23, 2015 at 8:58 am

    Just curious my sis, what if the one on the boat is dog?

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  • 20. HH  |  May 23, 2015 at 9:57 am

    So. somebody told Helen to balik tongsan in another blog.

    I suppose it is not often Helen gets the ‘balik’ line. Of course it has to be the Christians who would hurl such vulgarities. Full of hate.

    Know what, am totally with you this kind of rebuts are hateful and lazy.

    How about making a stand on the cliched ‘balik’ hate speech not be tolerated here?

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    • 21. Helen Ang  |  May 23, 2015 at 10:25 am

      re: “Of course it has to be the Christians who would hurl such vulgarities”

      Actually no, HH. I’m fairly certain Anon 12:01 pm is an Ugly Malay.

      ————————————————————–

      THE REALITY

      You alls (the evangelistas and Dapsters) like to demonize Umno.

      Uolz lambung those Malays who are anti-Umno (e.g. Sakmongkol, Roketkini staff, NGO activists, left-wing academics, etc).

      What you sadly fail to realise is that you’re jumping from the frying pan into the fire. The truth is that Umno has been moderate. If Umno was not moderate, we’d have had plenty more May 13s.

      Unfortunately, uolz fail to appreciate Umno’s moderation. And now uolz have become the strange bedfellows to a hodge-podge of non-Umno Malays like for example that ultra orthodox PAS ustaz whom uolz elected to be MP in Temerloh, kicking out Umno’s most moderate incumbent Saifuddin Abdullah.

      Well now the Umno grassroots have washed their hands off uozl (evangelistas and Dapsters).

      re: “So. somebody told Helen to balik tongsan in another blog. I suppose it is not often Helen gets the ‘balik’ line.”

      Helen did not get the ‘balik’ line from an Umno supporter. It was a pro-opposition Malay dude.

      They’re now your (DAP) sleeping partners that will have no qualms and no restraint to call you “Cinapiggie” or ask you to “balik Tongsan” or mock your Cinapek accent when you’re unable to roll your tongue around the ‘R’ words.

      Umno has been in power uninterrupted since Merdeka. If Umno Malays had always viewed Chinese as Cinapiggie or if Umno Malays really wanted to send the Chinese back to Tongsan, they would not have persuaded the Raja-Raja Melayu to grant citizenship en masse in 1957.

      If Umno Malays were rabidly anti-Chinese (“racist”) as you evangelistas keep alleging, there would have been pogroms post-1969.

      There has been some discriminative policies against the Chinese, true, but one can’t honestly accuse Umno of “persecuting” the Chinese community.

      Then in 2013 the DAP-giler taksub Cina unleashed the Chinese Tsunami and as the result, the ‘Us vs Them’ dividing line is very clear. Uolz (evangelistas and Dapsters) are getting the Malay allies you deserve.

      When Malays turn against the Chinese, “spewing” (to borrow the evangelista vocab) what you call “vulgarities” and “full of hate”, then you’re actually only reaping what you sow.

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      • 22. tebing tinggi  |  May 23, 2015 at 10:47 am

        Helen,

        It’s cannot be an ugly Malay , it’s must be an tolerance and acceptance Malay who has lost all that, on due process of his surrounding .
        Are we coming closed to that ?.

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        • 23. Helen Ang  |  May 23, 2015 at 10:54 am

          Life is funny. The Dapsters scream “racist” at Umno all the time. Anon 12:01pm is, to me, racist. But I don’t reckon he’s Umno.

          As for the Malay equal and opposite ‘Reaction’ to the Dapster-evangelista ‘Action’, yes, we’re coming perilously close to that.

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      • 24. HH  |  May 23, 2015 at 11:17 am

        Helen

        Quote: They’re now your (DAP) sleeping partners that will have no qualms and no restraint to call you “Cinapiggie” or ask you to “balik Tongsan” or mock your Cinapek accent when you’re unable to roll your tongue around the ‘R’ words.

        Don’t look now, your ‘alleged’ moderate commentators too have no qualms making use of those words. If the the so-called moderates on your blog find it acceptable, and most of them are pro-UMNO, little wonder the non-Malays are grasping for an alternative. UMNO is making it easy for the Oppo to sell their UBAH mantras.

        Quote: If Umno Malays were rabidly anti-Chinese (“racist”) as you evangelistas keep alleging, there would have been pogroms post-1969.
        There has been some discriminative policies against the Chinese, true, but one can’t honestly accuse Umno of “persecuting” the Chinese community.

        I agree.

        I don’t think UMNO is really the extremist, but the problem is they employed the ketuanan strategy to hold their supporters to ransom with the Chinese boogeyman. If you don’t vote Umno, the big bad Chinese will take your share. It was supposed to be for show, of course. Problem is, they (their supporters) somehow gave life to the boogeyman. Now UMNO is trapped. Apart from having to defend the Malays against an invisible enemy, they are expected to be more Islam than PAS, whom are hitching on the religion ticket.

        Quote: When Malays turn against the Chinese, “spewing” (to borrow the evangelista vocab) what you call “vulgarities” and “full of hate”, then you’re actually only reaping what you sow.

        On the other hand one can argue had UMNO not invented the Chinese boogeyman, the oppo would not have reap from the worried Chinese and sidelined Indians, thus giving them the leverage today. UMNO should be held just as accountable for employing the race card strategy.

        Me think the trump card oppo hold against UMNO is its inability to defend allegations of corruption.

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        • 25. Helen Ang  |  May 23, 2015 at 1:04 pm

          re: “Don’t look now, your ‘alleged’ moderate commentators too have no qualms making use of those words. If the so-called moderates on your blog find it acceptable, and most of them are pro-UMNO …”

          Pig-calling is not allowed in my blog. So far, some 88,000 comments have been moderated in helenang.wordpress.com and with this big number, I can’t guarantee that one or two “babi” slurs might not have slipped the filter. But generally my commentators don’t indulge in it here.

          As to whether the pro-Umno readers find it acceptable or not elsewhere (in other blogs), they’ll have to speak for themselves.

          re: “… little wonder the non-Malays are grasping for an alternative. UMNO is making it easy for the Oppo to sell their UBAH mantras.”

          To some extent what you say has to be true, but then again, the ‘Ubah’ mantra is steeped in the Politics of Hate.

          re: “I don’t think UMNO is really the extremist, but the problem is they employed the ketuanan strategy to hold their supporters to ransom with the Chinese boogeyman.”

          The Chinese minority are bogeyman everywhere.

          USA had the Chinese Exclusion Act in its wild, wild west days. Down Under there was the ‘White Australia’ immigration policy until quite recently. Just less than two decades ago, there were the Jakarta May 13 anti-Chinese riots. Last year there were anti-Chinese riots in Vietnam and on a smaller scale in Myanmar. Thailand in an earlier part of its history cracked down on its Chinese minority too.

          Do the Japanese hate the Chinese? Rape of Nanjing ring a bell?

          re: “If you don’t vote Umno, the big bad Chinese will take your share.”

          Among the Dapster favourite words – “Dumno”, “Scumno”, “Bumno”. If you don’t vote DAP, the lazy and stupid Umno scums will make the country go bankrupt, they tell the Chinese.

          re: “It was supposed to be for show, of course. Problem is, they (their supporters) somehow gave life to the boogeyman. Now UMNO is trapped.”

          Call it Umno’s keris-waving rhetoric if you like. DAP supporters however really, truly hate the “Umnoputras”. Not mere rhetoric but genuine sentiments yang sudah menjadi darah daging dan menyerap masuk sekali ke sum-sum tulang.

          re: “Apart from having to defend the Malays against an invisible enemy, they are expected to be more Islam than PAS, whom are hitching on the religion ticket.”

          DAP evangelistas are more Islam than Umno, certainly. You can Google ‘Rosmah Mansor’ and see how many photos you can find of her wearing tudung in the mosque. Or check out any Umno MP’s timeline and see if they’re jaguh hashtag #sahur or #puasa in Twitter.

          And DAP is playing the religion ticket more earnestly than Umno. Check out the DAP campaign “a vote for BN is a vote for the anti-Christ” in the Sibu by-election and the Sarawak state election held in 2011.

          re: “On the other hand one can argue had UMNO not invented the Chinese boogeyman …”

          It was not Umno that invented the Chinese bogeyman. Long before the establishment of Umno in 1946, we had the 1834 Lukut Massacre in Selangor. Before there was Umno, Kiyai Salleh mengamok in Batu Pahat and the killings were even bloodier than 1969.

          re: “… the oppo would not have reap from the worried Chinese and sidelined Indians, thus giving them the leverage today.”

          The oppo are reaping their fruits of hate even as we speak now.

          re: “Umno should be held just as accountable for employing the race card strategy.”

          Race is a real issue everywhere. The Rohingya are sailing here in their boats because of Race and Religion factors, among other things. Umno at least is upfront about the race card with their Perikatan/Barisan formula. DAP is being hypocritical.

          If Pakatan had got the Parliamentary majority in 2013, they’d still have had to put up a Malay PM. Even though DAP was the biggest Pakatan party in Perak 2008, they still had to make a minority PAS Malay the MB. And even though DAP is stronger than PKR in Selangor, Teresa Kok cannot be MB or even Deputy MB.

          So despite all the Colour Blind, Beyond Race blathering by Pakatan Firsters, when it comes to realpolitik, DAP plays the game same as MCA. The difference is that DAP is hypocritical and the rabid Dapsters are thoroughly indoctrinated.

          Umno is still capable of a diversity of opinions and that’s why we’re now witnessing the Tun-Najib-(Muhyiddin) battle royale. There is no internal opposition or dissent in the DAP. The Lim dynasty reigns supreme.

          re: “Me think the trump card oppo hold against UMNO is its inability to defend allegations of corruption.”

          I can’t argue with you there. But go read up on the RM305 million ‘feasibility study’ package awarded by the Guan Eng administration to China companies in their undersea tunnel project deal. The compensation is in the form of Penang state land.

          DAP are squeaky clean, meh?

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          • 26. afendihamat  |  May 23, 2015 at 7:36 pm

            The Chinese boogeyman needs no inventing. We’ve seen what happened when the Chinese have the means to exercise power over the Malays.

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          • 27. shamshul anuar  |  May 23, 2015 at 10:56 pm

            Helen,

            No where in constitution that says the PM is a Malay.

            That the head of government must be a practising Muslim is only enshrined in state Constitutions. Until today, by convention, UMNO President i the PM simply because UMNO has the largest number of seats in Parliament.

            But the equation can change and seems finally to change. No thanks to Najib who creates so many “hostilities” against the Malays. the refusal to be firm, the attitude of thinking his government would collapse without Chinese and the underestimation of Malay ability are manifestation of Najib never ending failures.

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            • 28. Helen Ang  |  May 23, 2015 at 11:04 pm

              Correct. The PM does not have to be a Malay or a Muslim either. Technically Kit Siang or Guan Eng can be PM.

              ‘Non-Malays can become Prime Minister as it is not against constitution, says Dr M’ @ http://www.thesundaily.my/news/1324904

              But DAP is smart enough to concede the Menteri Besar Perak post to a Malay because the party is playing race politics.

              Dyana Samad was not the best or the most suitable to contest the Teluk Intan Parliament seat. Again the DAP stood her as their candidate due to her race – DAP was playing race politics.

              Their ‘Beyond Race’ posturing and never-ending accusations that BN is “racist” is too much. Their follows who believe and parrot the DAP line are beyond redemption – no hope, no cure.

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              • 29. islam1st  |  May 23, 2015 at 11:09 pm

                ‘But DAP is smart enough to concede the Menteri Besar Perak post to a Malay because the party is playing race politics.’

                Ye ke? Bukan sebab Menteri Besar kena orang Muslim ke, Helen?

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                • 30. Helen Ang  |  May 23, 2015 at 11:29 pm

                  Sultan of Perak has the discretion /royal prerogative to waive the requirement for MB to be Muslim. This is in the Perak constitution (see below).

                  The Sultan of Selangor exercised his discretion when he blocked Wan Azizah, remember?

                  12(2) of the Perak Constitution says, “His Royal Highness may in His discretion waive either or both of the foregoing requirements of this paragraph relating to race and the Muslim Religion whenever he shall consider it expedient to do so.”

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                  • 31. islam1st  |  May 23, 2015 at 11:45 pm

                    Boleh la kalau Tuanku nak…tapi memang jelas mesti Melayu dan Muslim saja yang boleh jadi MB. Harap-harap Kua Kia Soong boleh hormat undang-undang ini dan tak minta ini dimansuhkan come 2020 la ye…

                    ‘Even if Umno refuses to make this declaration, all other political parties in the country including BN parties must take a stand on whether they want this racially discriminatory “Bumiputeras first” policy to continue beyond 2020. Failure to do so will condemn us to a fate of a society that is still unequal and certainly NOT “at peace with itself” — the stated objective of ‘Vision 2020’. – See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/what-you-think/article/will-racial-discrimination-extend-beyond-2020-kua-kia-soong#sthash.OhdFvT3H.dpuf

                    Seditious?

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                    • 32. Helen Ang  |  May 24, 2015 at 12:13 am

                      “in His discretion waive either or both of the foregoing requirements” means Tuanku boleh ikut budibicara baginda dan mengetepikan syarat bahawa MB perlu Melayu dan Islam.

                      Thus non-Malay and non-Muslim can be MB if Sultan extends waiver.

                      Read the whole article 12 on appointment of MB – see comment below @ May 24, 2015 at 12:13 am. The screenshot is bigger, so will be easier for you to read.

  • 33. HH  |  May 23, 2015 at 9:51 pm

    Yeah, lock the door, cover the mirrors and turn on the lights.

    Let’s hope the fear of fear itself don’t get to you first.

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    • 34. HH  |  May 23, 2015 at 10:58 pm

      The comment above is addressed to Afendihamat.

      Reply
      • 35. afendihamat  |  May 24, 2015 at 12:39 am

        Owh thank you HH,

        I henceforth pledge to be vigilant against the REAL racists and chauvinists plaguing our country.

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    • 36. islam1st  |  May 23, 2015 at 11:02 pm

      ‘Don’t look now, your ‘alleged’ moderate commentators too have no qualms making use of those words. If the the so-called moderates on your blog find it acceptable, and most of them are pro-UMNO, little wonder the non-Malays are grasping for an alternative. UMNO is making it easy for the Oppo to sell their UBAH mantras.’

      You guys moderates sangat ke? You reap what you sow maa. Karma. Why too much for your liking is it??

      ‘I don’t think UMNO is really the extremist, but the problem is they employed the ketuanan strategy to hold their supporters to ransom with the Chinese boogeyman.’

      The Cinas are making it easy for UMNO to sell their ‘Chinese boogeyman’ mantras. Lets face it DAP antics make it way too easy for them also, if you must.

      ‘Now UMNO is trapped. Apart from having to defend the Malays against an invisible enemy, they are expected to be more Islam than PAS, whom are hitching on the religion ticket.’

      Perhaps some of it leaders are. But slowly they are starting to realised Malaysian Muslims are becoming more and more comfortable with their religion. There’s nothing wrong with that. Yang paling aku tak faham, why would non-Muslims worried on ways the Muslims choose to practice their belief?

      ‘On the other hand one can argue had UMNO not invented the Chinese boogeyman, the oppo would not have reap from the worried Chinese and sidelined Indians, thus giving them the leverage today. UMNO should be held just as accountable for employing the race card strategy.’

      Salah UMNO lagi. Nampaknya ABU all the way la till kingdom comes la…

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  • 37. Helen Ang  |  May 24, 2015 at 12:13 am

    Reply for islam1st @ May 23, 2015 at 11:45 pm

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    • 38. islam1st  |  May 24, 2015 at 12:24 am

      Tu la, kalau Tuanku nak la kan…

      Reply
    • 40. Helen Ang  |  May 26, 2015 at 3:41 pm

      Are you implying that it was irresponsible of their parents to send them on such a perilous journey unaccompanied by adult family members?

      Reply
      • 41. AC-DC  |  May 26, 2015 at 4:06 pm

        No.

        Speaking of pregnant refugee women:

        http://news.yahoo.com/photos/pregnant-rohingya-migrant-arrived-indonesia-boat-leans-bamboo-photo-054707110.html

        http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/15/world/asia/burmese-rohingya-bangladeshi-migrants-andaman-sea.html

        The 584 passengers, including 59 children and 86 women, five of them pregnant, will have the opportunity to apply for refugee status with the United Nations refugee agency, a process that is expected to take months.

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        • 42. Helen Ang  |  May 26, 2015 at 4:18 pm

          5 pregnant women over 584 passengers is LESS THAN ONE percent, bah (0.86%).

          The rest are mostly masses and masses of men in their 20s, 30s and 40s. To make such a disproportionate emphasis on the less than 1% is playing with loaded imagery meant to invoke knee-jerk emotional reactions.

          Being rational and possessing a realistic perspective is definitely better than having the rabble-rousers incite the hoi polloi into a fit of hyper-emotional screaming and calling their fellow Malaysians “murderers” who have signed death warrants.

          It’s not like the woman below is in need of 999 emergency services to deliver at any moment now – the “life-and-death” crisis situation uolz crying about.

          Headline: “A pregnant Rohingya migrant who arrived in Indonesia by boat leans on a bamboo pole…”

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        • 43. AC-DC  |  May 26, 2015 at 5:01 pm

          “To make such a disproportionate emphasis on the less than 1% is playing with loaded imagery meant to invoke knee-jerk emotional reactions.”

          Ah yes. Since only a quarter of the boat people are women and children, therefore they are undeserving of rescue and assistance.

          “It’s not like the woman below is in need of 999 emergency services to deliver at any moment now – the “life-and-death” crisis situation uolz crying about.”

          Absolutely right. A few biscuits and handfuls of stale water should be sufficient for her to survive the next few weeks on a dangerously overloaded flimsy boat, correct?

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          • 44. Helen Ang  |  May 26, 2015 at 5:23 pm

            Nobody’s denying there were some women and children on the boat. I was querying the presence/numbers of “pregnant women” which story link you provided (thanks) and the “old and sick” meaning uzur-elderly passengers who were sick (and not youngish passengers who fell seasick).

            Reply

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