Fear the crescent, fear the cross

May 30, 2015 at 10:04 am 90 comments

At the intergovernmental meeting in Bangkok yesterday on the boat people crisis, Htin Lynn, Ministry of Foreign Affairs Myanmar director-general told off the UNHCR for politicizing his country’s internal issues.

Htin Lynn was responding to a call for Myanmar to grant citizenship to its Muslim minority – the 1.3 million Rohingya of whom many are stateless – made by the UN’s Asst. High Commissioner for Refugees (Protection). See ‘Burmese delegate rejects UNHCR call on Rohingya‘ (Taipei Times, 30 May 2015).

The Myanmar government views the Rohingya as illegal immigrants from Bangladesh and adamantly labels them ‘Bengali’ to denote their origin from the Bengal district.

Hannah Yeoh on Twitter an appeal to @NajibRazak to allow my child

So sensitive is the disputed nomenclature that Myanmar initially refused to attend the crisis meeting should the term ‘Rohingya’ be used.

Descendents of immigrant Muslims in Rakhine self-identify as ‘Rohingya’ in the same way that born again Christian descendents of immigrant Chinese self-identify as ‘Anak Bangsa Malaysia’.

Myanmar, however, rejects ‘Rohingya’ as an ethnic categorization.

Twitter - hannahyeoh- Had a good time with Saya Anak

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Colour blind and thoroughly confused Chinese

Meanwhile, the DAP Firsters are still badgering the Malaysian government to do away with its ‘Chinese’ and ‘Indian’ race categorization in official forms. They prefer their race to be known as “Anak Malaysia” – see above Hannah Yeoh’s petition to the prime minister as well as application in the birth certificate paperwork of her daughter.

The Myanmar government considers Muslims in Rakhine to be ‘Bengali’ because Bengal is where the Rohingya’s forefathers had originated from several generations before.

The Rohingya/Bengali look ‘South Asian’, i.e. people from the Indian sub-continent. Although there had been Indians in Burma from much earlier, the bulk of them nonetheless migrated during the British colonial era.

The forefathers of Malaysian Chinese similarly migrated to Malaya during the colonial rule of the British here. And inasmuch as Hannah Yeoh screams that she is “Beyond Race” and at the same time shrieking “Racist!” at her critics, she is nonetheless unable to deviate from the Chinese DNA – see below – of her Guangdong ancestors.

It is actually Hannah & her Firsters who are confused in this regard of identity, and not their bete noire Ridhuan Tee.

Hannah Permatang Pauh

Last time fight Indians, now scared of Muslims

The latest census conducted in March-April 2014 puts the Myanmar population at 51.5 million. “Rohingya’ is not recognized.

This is not to say that Myanmar excludes all its Muslims and makes them stateless. Bamar Muslims, who belong to the majority ethnic community and distinguish themselves from the Rohingya, are Myanmar citizens.

Bamar Buddhists and other Buddhists are however wary of Islam, and Myanmar has drafted a religious conversion bill whereby those wishing to convert would need to obtain permission and register with their local authority.

There is also a movement by Buddhists to boycott Muslim businesses.

Post-tsunami move by Malays to boycott Chinese products

Post-tsunami move by Malays to boycott Chinese products

Native Burmans have been hostile to the Indians ever since the latter first set foot on Burmese soil.

Anti-Indian riots in Burma some decades ago were racial, that is to say the violence was directed at ethnicity. The Indians were multi-religious, being Hindu, Sikh, Christian and Muslim.

The Chettiars were Indian moneylenders who operated throughout the British colonies including Burma, and in the 1930s, these wealthy aliens took paddy land away from poor indigenous Burmese who failed to pay their mortgage. Before World War Two began, they were astute enough to repatriate their vast wealth back to India.


SIDE NOTE

The Christians will not impose a theocracy. There is no Christian theocratic state in the world unless one counts the Vatican.

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Nonetheless the Christian countries, i.e. those with a Christian tradition and belonging to what was called Christendom in the past, are today on top of the world in quality of life, democracy, technological advancement and other global indexes whereas the Muslim countries are languishing at the bottom of the international tables and dominate the ‘Failed State’ basket.


Adding religion to the explosive cocktail

In recent years, the hostilities in Myanmar have taken on a religious dimension.

The June 2012 riots in Rakhine killed 77 people, injured 109 and affected 30,740 Rohingya Muslims as well as 14,328 Arakan Buddhists. A total of 17 mosques and 15 monasteries were burnt down. (Source: Irrawaddy)

The August 2014 riots took place in Mandalay, Myanmar’s second largest city. The hostilities between Buddhist and Muslim groups lasted four days.

It may not appear to be wholly rational but the Buddhists are afraid that the Muslims will marry and convert their women to Islam, take four wives, have lots of children, overrun the country, impose Syariah and one day turn Myanmar into an Islamic state.

Rohingya Live Apart

Different culture, different nature

Rohingya man (above) and woman (below) interviewed by Al Jazeera.

“We live apart from each other”.

“We don’t eat their food and they don’t eat ours.”

Indeed both the Rohingya and Rakhine lead separate, parallel lives.

Rohingya Separate Food

Last time fight Chinese, now scared of Christians

There’s a predictable pattern to politics. The push by similar forces will yield a set of similar outcomes.

In Malaysia, we already have Syariah and we might possibly get hudud. Dewan Rakyat Speaker Pandikar Amin is now reportedly mulling over whether to allow the motion for the private member’s hudud bill. PAS is hoping it will be debated in the next Parliament session.

While Myanmar is becoming strongly Buddhist nationalist, Malaysia is becoming strongly Muslim nationalist.

PAS kena buli

Expect ulama to sweep the board

Very soon PAS will hold its annual muktamar incorporating a triennial party election.

I forecast that Hadi Awang will retain his presidency of the Islamist party.

Tuan Ibrahim will win the PAS deputy presidency hands down. Ustaz Mohd Amar, Ustaz Idris Ahmad and Ustaz Iskandar Samad look set to coast to the three vice presidencies.

Nik Abduh will be victorious in the PAS Youth chief race by a mile. This charismatic son who has inherited his father Nik Aziz’s spiritual mantle is convinced that his party is being bullied by its coalition bedfellows – see Sinar Harian front page above.

The DAP evangelical politicians deserve a bouquet and Thank You note for helping the ulama regain their influence.

BELOW: Hannah the DAP Super CyberBully claims that “Utusan Malaysia remains free to poison minds”. Earlier she had wanted a JAIS officer to be suspended

Hannah Utusan poison minds

Hannah suspend JAIS

Course is set, no turnaround option anymore

It doesn’t matter whether Najib or Tun prevails in the Umno power struggle. Either or, their Malay party is still heading down the path of Islamic orthodoxy – this is the logic of the developing situation.

Both Najib’s and Tun’s camp want ‘Malay unity’ in order to save Putrajaya from falling to Pakatan. Umno needs PAS whereas PAS does not really need Umno. Hence it is Umno which will have to bow to the terms set by PAS.

Malays believe closing ranks is most necessary to prevent the DAP from grabbing control of the country come the next election. This fear is far more grounded compared to the fear that the Buddhists in Myanmar harbour.

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Surah Al-Baqarah reminds us of the dissemblers

Malays fear Christianization, especially when so many of the DAP legislators in Parliament and the state assemblies are Christian.

The number of opposition YBs who are Christian is much greater than you suspect because they are Christians who do not use Christian names, e.g. Ong Kian Ming, Yeo Bee Yin, Lim Lip Eng, Teo Nie Ching and Rajiv Rishyakaran or they hide their Christian names, e.g. Ngeh Koo Ham (James) and Nga Kor Ming (David).

Or they belong to communities that are not traditionally Christian, such as Mary Josephine Prittam Singh who is the DAP Adun for Rahang in Negeri Sembilan.

The Malays who protested the church cross in Taman Medan are only the tip of the iceberg.

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  • 1. The International Jew  |  May 30, 2015 at 10:18 am

    The point is, this whole Anak Malaysia circus is an ABC enterprise, Anything But Chinese which is reverse racism, its most obvious victims being the Chinese themselves, especially those Chinese who believe that abandoning their patrimony they stand a chance of attaining equality of any sorts with the Malays.

    As for the upcoming Pas elections, if the conservatives win, Pakatan as a going entity, if it ever was an entity, is toast. The DAP will not accept a Pas dominated by the conservatives. Expect more dirty tricks in the next few days by the DAP to help their boys in Pas.

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  • 2. Keris  |  May 30, 2015 at 10:40 am

    Re: “It doesn’t matter whether Najib or Tun prevails in the Umno power struggle. Either or, their Malay party is still heading down the path of Islamic orthodoxy – this is the logic of the developing situation. Both Najib’s and Tun’s camp want ‘Malay unity’ in order to save Putrajaya from falling to Pakatan. Umno needs PAS whereas PAS does not really need Umno. Hence it is Umno which will have to bow to the terms set by PAS.”

    The theological creed of PAS’ Islamist ambitions does not belong to Islamic orthodoxy. Ustaz Nik Aziz was Deobandi trained and has Hanbali-Wahhabi leanings while Ustaz Hadi Awang still teaches the radical religious politics of Sayyid Qutb.

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  • 3. HH  |  May 30, 2015 at 11:02 am

    Let’s get straight to the bottom of this hudud talk.

    Do Muslims in Malaysia want hudud because they fear DAP and its perceived ‘Christian influence’, or simply because as Muslims, they feel obligated to?

    If we can get an honest answer on this, then we are talking.

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    • 4. Helen Ang  |  May 30, 2015 at 11:07 am

      I ran a poll in April 2014 asking a political (not religious) question.

      The question was: “Anda setuju Umno sokong hudud?”

      Three-quarters of the respondents said ‘Yes’.

      https://helenang.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/tinjauan-pendapat-hudud-dan-politik-islam/

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      • 5. What Is This  |  May 30, 2015 at 11:10 am

        The one question you and everyone else should be asking is this

        “Why are Muslims calling for hudud ?”. My guess is you know the answer. :)

        There is always the pull and push factor. It starts with the letter d, capital D. You know what i m talking about right ? :)

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      • 12. HH  |  May 30, 2015 at 11:26 am

        Helen

        I went to see the poll. The thing is you had included this…

        Quote: Yang saya ingin tahu ialah sama ada anda mempersetujui langkah politik Umno yang mahu menggunakan hudud sebagai taktik serangan terhadap DAP evangelista yang terlalu licik berpura-pura.

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        • 13. Helen Ang  |  May 30, 2015 at 11:44 am

          That’s why I told you it was framed as a political question and not a religious question. Nonetheless the 75 percent ‘Yes’ result surprised even me.

          The findings however don’t provide an answer your present query.

          Going forward into the future, will Umno try to buy/bribe PAS with hudud? This may be the price to pay for getting Malay unity and saving Putrajaya from falling into opposition hands the next election.

          I believe that PAS will eventually break away from DAP. So the Malay-Muslim side of the political divide will be Umno-PAS although this does not imply that PAS will necessarily be joining BN. It just implies that PAS and DAP will be on opposite sides.

          Umno is weakening because its president is vulnerable and Tun’s attacks on him are more potent than anything that can be dealt by DAP.

          If PAS leaves Pakatan, the party may grow stronger at the expense of Umno. It’s a zero sum game as PAS and Umno have always vied for the same demography.

          As we can see, while Najib and Tun are engaging in their titanic slugfest, the DAP has been very busy campaigning in Sarawak.

          GE14 will be like the Obama deal – Malay-Muslim on one side and Cina-Lain2-Kristian-Lain2 on the other. DAP is stronger than Umno has calculated and Umno is weaker than it realises due to 1MDB, GST, etc and 6 million young/new voters.

          I wouldn’t be surprised if Umno caves in to hudud. I also wonder if the Pandikar Amin tug-of-war has anything to do with allowing a reading of the hudud bill.

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          • 14. islam1st  |  May 31, 2015 at 1:47 am

            ‘Going forward into the future, will Umno try to buy/bribe PAS with hudud?’

            Ini fitnah Helen. Kenapa pula Umno nak bribe PAS dengan Hudud pula, orang Umno pun Muslims, jahat mana pun lambat laun akan dapat hidayah dan petunjuk juga, dan apabila akar umbi nak Hudud, Umno tak boleh nak tolak la Helen.

            So, going by your logic, mamat PKR yang undi for Hudud tu, bribe PAS juga ke Helen? Ke bribe Umno?

            ‘This may be the price to pay for getting Malay unity and saving Putrajaya from falling into opposition hands the next election.’

            Ini yang you tak nak kan Helen? Tapi sayangnya the ABUs crowd tak boleh nampak benda ni. Humans can only plan so much, can they? ABU all the way till kingdoms come.

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        • 15. Helen Ang  |  May 30, 2015 at 11:44 am

          That’s why I told you it was framed as a political question and not a religious question. Nonetheless the 75 percent ‘Yes’ result surprised even me.

          The findings however don’t provide an answer your present query.

          Going forward into the future, will Umno try to buy/bribe PAS with hudud? This may be the price to pay for getting Malay unity and saving Putrajaya from falling into opposition hands the next election.

          I believe that PAS will eventually break away from DAP. So the Malay-Muslim side of the political divide will be Umno-PAS although this does not imply that PAS will necessarily be joining BN. It just implies that PAS and DAP will be on opposite sides.

          Umno is weakening because its president is vulnerable and Tun’s attacks on him are more potent than anything that can be dealt by DAP.

          If PAS leaves Pakatan, the party may grow stronger at the expense of Umno. It’s a zero sum game as PAS and Umno have always vied for the same demography.

          As we can see, while Najib and Tun are engaging in their titanic slugfest, the DAP has been very busy campaigning in Sarawak.

          GE14 will be like the Obama deal – Malay-Muslim on one side and Cina-Lain2-Kristian-Lain2 on the other. DAP is stronger than Umno has calculated and Umno is weaker than it realises due to 1MDB, GST, etc and 6 million young/new voters.

          I wouldn’t be surprised if Umno caves in to hudud. I also wonder if the Pandikar Amin tug-of-war has anything to do with allowing a reading of the hudud bill.

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          • 16. Keris  |  May 30, 2015 at 12:40 pm

            All through the Merdeka years UMNO leaders had borne the role and responsibility of the umara’ (principled government) and mutually supported by the traditional Malay ulama’ (classical Ashaari orthodoxy and Shafii school of jurisprudence).

            Anwar Ibrahim, and the PAS leaders especially Anwar’s mentor Nik Aziz and Hadi Awang introduced into Malaysia a form of Islamist chauvinism which justifies the radical ideology of “Takfir” – ie. pronouncing other Muslims who do not comply with their Hanbali-Wahhabi beliefs as disbelievers or heretics.

            It is common knowledge the Wahhabi movement worldwide is largely sponsored by Saudi petrodollars. During the time Dr. Mahathir was in charge of the nation, exemplifying the competent umara’ he complemented the wisdom of orthodox ulama advisors.

            The political situation today is sadly different – political expedience should never dabble with established religious orthodoxy. We as Muslims are obliged to live by the aims Allah has deemed for the human race as given in the Quran and Prophet Muhammad’s sunnah – Takfiri religionism and Wahhabi radicalism does not belong here.

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            • 17. Keris  |  May 30, 2015 at 4:20 pm

              [Masjid Ba’alawi KL]

              Sufi Syeikh Ahmad Fahmi Zam Zam bersyarah atas “Kitab Hikam” (Ibn Ataillah) bab “Hati dan Orang Ariffin”

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          • 18. HH  |  May 30, 2015 at 12:54 pm

            Helen

            Quote: I wouldn’t be surprised if Umno caves in to hudud. I also wonder if the Pandikar Amin tug-of-war has anything to do with allowing a reading of the hudud.

            Me think UMNO should not vie for the same demography as PAS. It’s a losing proposition for UMNO to try outdo PAS in being more Islam. Their party (UMNO) had always identified themselves more of a pro-Malay party as opposed to a pro-Islam one. But of course it is a blurry line here where Malays are by default Muslims, nevertheless, there is still a distinction – for someone to practice one’s faith vs letting some religious government dictate how one should practice their faith.

            I posed my question because PAS is playing the religion card, it is crucial to know how Malaysian Muslims favor the implementation of hudud from their perspectives. I do not doubt there are many Muslims out there whom believe democracry is still the best bet bringing the country forward. These are the voters UMNO should be vying for.

            As for PR breaking up with PAS, I say good riddance.

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            • 19. Helen Ang  |  May 30, 2015 at 1:23 pm

              re: “Methinks Umno should not vie for the same demography as PAS.”

              The GE13 data shows that PKR performed best in the semi-urban mixed seats.

              Umno (and MCA, Gerakan) used to be able to hold some of these seats but they’ve been suffering setbacks, e.g. Ali Rustam in Bukit Katil and Puad Zarkashi, Ghani Othman in Batu Pahat, Gelang Patah.

              What’s left to Umno are the rural Malay and Felda seats and even in the blue riband Rompin pun losing a huge chunk of votes.

              So Umno is still left to go head-to-head with PAS.

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              • 20. HH  |  May 30, 2015 at 3:25 pm

                Helen

                Seriously, do you really think the opposition can replicate (forget surpassing) their last GE success?

                From the look of things, I am doubtful.

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                • 21. Helen Ang  |  May 30, 2015 at 3:54 pm

                  If elections were held today, maybe Tun’s supporters will not be coming out to vote. They’ll boycott – so BN rugi.

                  Also there are the new and first-time voters. Malaysia is a young country. The young are usually anti-establishment. Take the results of my latest poll so far. Nurul is so far ahead of the Wanita and Puteri.

                  The trend of the two by-elections Rompin and Permatang Pauh is not good indication for Umno.

                  Then there are some vulnerable seats in Sabah & Sarawak where the native Christian voters decide to teach BN a lesson.

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              • 22. HH  |  May 30, 2015 at 4:10 pm

                Helen

                If hudud is implemented with UMNO’s backing, there will be economic setbacks. Malaysia is vying for foreign investments into the country and let’s face it, hudud is not a popular word as far as foreign investors are concern.

                Some have pointed out had UMNO in its glory days wanted hudud, it would have been a done deal. Much truth in it.

                I think UMNO is just toying with PAS knowing very well Pas had got itself into a predicament on the hudud issue. PAS hitching on the religious ticket has got itself cornered by UMNO. PAS cannot say no to hudud but at the same time it (PAS) has to reckon with the reality pushing for hudud meant breaking up thei Pakatan coalition.

                And we know how well PAS did on their own, right?

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                • 23. Helen Ang  |  May 30, 2015 at 7:06 pm

                  re: “If hudud is implemented with Umno’s backing, there will be economic setbacks.”

                  Tun was the only one who put his foot down firmly. You gotta wonder about the ominous silence of the Umno warlords.

                  re: “Malaysia is vying for foreign investments into the country and let’s face it, hudud is not a popular word as far as foreign investors are concern.”

                  As we can see from the lack of FDI in Kelantan, the afterlife is of greater concern among the pious leadership of Serambi Mekah.

                  re: “Some have pointed out had Umno in its glory days wanted hudud, it would have been a done deal. Much truth in it.”

                  Umno is experiencing its worst days ever. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

                  re: “I think Umno is just toying with PAS knowing very well PAS had got itself into a predicament on the hudud issue.”

                  Have you noticed that while Najib is being attacked left, right and centre, Hadi Awang has come up to lend him support?

                  re: “PAS hitching on the religious ticket has got itself cornered by Umno. PAS cannot say no to hudud but at the same time it (PAS) has to reckon with the reality pushing for hudud meant breaking up their Pakatan coalition.”

                  A number of PAS leaders aligned to the ulama faction have already been sounding that if they do break up, then so be it. Even Kit Siang has acknowledged that he’s heard the message.

                  re: “And we know how well PAS did on their own, right?”

                  This is where the Gospel-of-Prosperity Chinese fail to understand the PAS psyche.

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                  • 24. islam1st  |  May 31, 2015 at 1:57 am

                    ‘This is where the Gospel-of-Prosperity Chinese fail to understand the PAS psyche.’

                    Cepat HH go and tell your boss. Cepat now that you paham…

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                • 25. islam1st  |  May 31, 2015 at 1:55 am

                  ‘If hudud is implemented with UMNO’s backing, there will be economic setbacks. Malaysia is vying for foreign investments into the country and let’s face it, hudud is not a popular word as far as foreign investors are concern. ‘

                  Says who? Penang Institute?

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                  • 26. HH  |  May 31, 2015 at 9:53 am

                    Since you are presumably better informed on all things Islam, perhaps you can name some investment hotspots around the world that practices hudud.

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                    • 27. islam1st  |  May 31, 2015 at 11:21 pm

                      Greece!

            • 28. islam1st  |  May 31, 2015 at 1:53 am

              ‘I do not doubt there are many Muslims out there whom believe democracry is still the best bet bringing the country forward.’

              Meaning opting for Hudud will pun the country to a stand still or backwards, zaman batu? How does that helping you understanding the Muslims POV on Hudud?

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              • 29. Chris  |  May 31, 2015 at 3:20 am

                I think in the past week, quite a lot has been written in the comments and also posted videos on he ethics of shariah law: nowhere in those scholarly presentations by Hamza Yusuf is mention made to “hudud law” specifically as equivalent to the full range of meanings concerning Islamic law. Are you parroting the Islamist PAS’ idiosyncratic “hudud law”. In fact it will be interesting to understand your point-of-view on hudud punishments in your conception of legal theory.

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                • 30. islam1st  |  May 31, 2015 at 5:00 am

                  Chris, I’m not scholarly and I don’t explain myself to scholars like you. Sorry to disappoint. With all due respect to Hamza Yusuf himself, but apparently according to you, ‘Hamza’ is the way of life now?

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                  • 31. Chris  |  May 31, 2015 at 8:34 am

                    No I never said that, but Hamza Yusuf ‘s point-of-view on the ethics of shariah law was well articulated, whereas we are puzzled about your comment:

                    “Meaning opting for Hudud will pun the country to a stand still or backwards, zaman batu? How does that helping you understanding the Muslims POV on Hudud?”

                    I think that in light of what’s happening around the globe vis-a-vis the Islamic State hudud radicalism, that there is great concern among people of goodwill everywhere to look up to the pristine teachings of your Prophet Muhammad, and to garner confidence in the ability of Muslims to live peacefully in civil society. As far as I can tell, the majority of the Islamic countries have outlawed the ISIS conflagration that has decimated the Middle East. I also understand that Islam is supposed to be “a way of life”, and that genuine and authoritative scholars like Hamza Yusuf and I’m sure many more, are considered to represent the mainstream understanding of Islam. And neither am I a scholar – but the tribulations of the present day provokes us towards engagement with the propagation of errant views that lead to calamity down the road for all of us.

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                    • 32. islam1st  |  May 31, 2015 at 11:21 pm

                      ‘but the tribulations of the present day provokes us towards engagement with the propagation of errant views that lead to calamity down the road for all of us.’

                      Agree. I would like to believe we are on the same boat. That’s bersangka baik on my part. You should do yours too. Anyway, how does labeling (fellow?) Muslims as ‘Islamists’ help? Especially when you start by insinuating that one is so stupid, he tend to parrot what others had said before.

                    • 33. Chris  |  June 1, 2015 at 10:20 am

                      Alright, firstly is there a difference between a muslim and a mukmin? Secondly, can one muslim label another muslim as kafir? Whether we are on the same boat or not only God knows, but most importantly, what is your idea of a worthy life-saving vessel?

                    • 34. islam1st  |  June 2, 2015 at 12:13 am

                      Chris, as I’m no scholars, I do not wish to parrot others, not to you at least.

                    • 35. Abdullah  |  June 2, 2015 at 1:04 am

                      True faith in Allah All Wise and Merciful (iman) must come with the individual practice of the Lord’s principles for action (amal)

                      http://www.suficomics.com/sufi-comics/take-benefit-of-these-5-things-before-you-lose-them/

                      The Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) said:

                      “Grasp the benefits of five before five:
                      your youth before your old age,
                      your health before your sickness,
                      your wealth before your poverty,
                      your free-time before your preoccupation,
                      and your life before your death.”

                      Allah revealed in surah Al-Asr of the Quran:

                      “In the Name of Allah Most Compassionate and Merciful
                      By the passage of Time, humanity is at loss,
                      Save he who believes rightly and does good works,
                      And who mutually enjoins others to seek truth,
                      and to be patient and equanimous.”

          • 36. bnm  |  May 30, 2015 at 10:02 pm

            We have seen cooperation of Umno-Pas at Kelantan state level. Due to the absence of other BN parties in Kelantan state legislative assembly, parties like MCA, MIC etc etc merely voiced their objections. Just wait for the hudud bill to be tabled in Parliament. Then we will see the voting patterns of other BN parties (including Sabah Sarawak parties). Hudud is not only splitting PR but also BN. At the current controversies of Najib, allowing the hudud bill to be tabled and put to vote will only add more problems for him.

            After all, the Speaker is an Umno man. If Najib is really sincere to enforce hudud, he would have instructed the Speaker to fast track the tabling of the same. Have we not seen in recent times the Parliament ‘stopped the clock’ and convened till wee hours just to push through certain laws? Why not do the same for hudud?

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            • 37. Helen Ang  |  May 30, 2015 at 10:10 pm

              Obviously the bill is not being heard BEFORE the PAS election.

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    • 38. RINA  |  May 30, 2015 at 11:17 am

      HH faham ke what hudud is all about?

      The problem we have on ‘halal’ is that most Non Muslims do not really understand what ‘halal’ is all about to Muslims. My Apek neighbour had a HUGE halal notice for many years. They received a letter informing them of a official visit to check on their ‘Halal’ certificate. The very day they removed these signs.

      Few years later the Towkey was boasting to me he has a good Malay friend who will assist him to get the ‘Halal stickers’ for him. They think just by having a good Malay friend sure can dapat ‘Halal’ cert wan! Punya la bahalol..

      I may safely assume there are many similar bahalols where Hudud is concerned.

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      • 39. RINA  |  May 30, 2015 at 11:25 am

        And on the Rohingyas boat people. Kat Malaysia there are few red card Id holders. One Towkey restaurant was grumbling non-stop. How stupid our gomen is compared to countries Rithmatist, HH and Dandy dok rindu macam punggok rindukan bulan.

        Gomen stupid because he came from India when he was 5yrs old and until today still not given Malaysian citizenship. Ini jenis bahalol pun banyak dalam Malaysia.

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        • 40. HH  |  May 30, 2015 at 11:28 am

          Rina,

          Dun stray. Just answer the question lah.

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          • 41. RINA  |  May 30, 2015 at 1:24 pm

            Yes, Islam Hudud definitely. Siapa berani lakukan jenayah, they should also be prepared to face its consequences, plain facts of life.

            Death sentence if you so proven without doubt to have murdered someone. Berani buat berani tanggung, what is there to discuss? Pancung kepala, lethal gas chambers, injections, hanging or firing squad sama juga. Take beza so why so kalut?

            Not straying. Kamu semua faham ke apa itu hudud? Apa itu halal pun tak faham? Apa ITU pendatang dan penjelma, simple Bahasa Malaysia words pun tak faham?

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            • 42. HH  |  May 30, 2015 at 6:32 pm

              Rina

              I see hudud as an Islamic means of achieving justice.

              The current law of the land too is rooted on the same premise.

              Do you opined the current set of laws are inadequate to serve the interests of Muslims and non-Muslims alike?

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              • 43. RINA  |  May 30, 2015 at 10:52 pm

                HH,
                My Apek neighbour, his late papa left him a quarter million rgt.. Bila dia mati to spend those money beli “harta2 kertas burn” them, for his comfort in his underworld.

                As a Muslim I find that ridiculous knowing his grand daughter is getting RM70 monthly duit bantuan persekolahan SMK fm Tingkatan 1-5.

                Tapi I don’t say anything pasai tak faham cara mereka layan orang yang dah mati dengan org yang masih hidup. Itu adat atau kepercayaan Agama mereka, so be it. Nak bising pon?

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                • 44. islam1st  |  May 31, 2015 at 2:02 am

                  Tu la. Kalau nak hina amalan depa boleh ja. Banyak sangat. Tapi Melayu kat sini dah lama amal ‘bhiksu’. Nabi Muhammad pun kata kalau tak ada benda yang baik nak cakap lebih baik diam. Bila kita diam sebab kita ada bhuddhaya, depa kata kita bodoh. Sampai amalan agama kita pun depa nak kacau.

                  Tapi bila Home Ministry rightly nak buat SOP masuk keluar Alkitab yang melanggar enakmen negeri-negeri kat Semenanjung depa riuh sekampung, kata ni masuk campur amalan agama depa.

                  Yang depa dok terpekik-terlolong hina Islam, Hudud dan Muslims tu, depa tak perasan? Ke buat-buat pekak-tuli?

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                • 45. HH  |  May 31, 2015 at 2:11 pm

                  Rina

                  Non-Muslims are not against Muslim practising their faith. People are naturally afraid of the unknown and its implication on their daily rituals.

                  Hudud is shrouded in so many unknowns. Even among Muslim scholars themselves.

                  For some, life’s little comfort comes in 4D, Guinness, Marlboros and crispy oink oink.

                  Cheers

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                  • 46. islam1st  |  May 31, 2015 at 11:22 pm

                    ‘For some, life’s little comfort comes in 4D, Guinness, Marlboros and crispy oink oink.’

                    Kenapa Hudud akan larang korang makan babi ke?

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              • 47. mulanmalaysia  |  May 30, 2015 at 11:22 pm

                Hudud to be fair should not be to Muslims only but also non Muslims who infringe Islam. Those who insult Islam, encourage apostasy among Muslims and commit indecent behavior with Muslims should be punished using Islamic laws rather than scott free like in today’s laws.

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                • 48. HH  |  May 31, 2015 at 8:15 am

                  Can’t say I’m not astonished such proposal coming from a non-Muslim.

                  As you had brought up the element of fairness in your comment, you are postulating in order to be ‘fair’ to the Muslim community, the **Constitutional rights of the non-Muslims (not be subjected under Syariah) be repealed.

                  The thing is, the Constitution itself which formed the framework of this country had always been seen as a fair and just representation of its multi racial composition.

                  Maybe you would like to quantify your version of fairness which basically translates into something along the line – for the Muslim community to get their due fairness, the Constitutional rights of the non-Muslims should rightly be quashed. (For the benefit of the uninitiated, let me reiterate this is not my personal view but my interpretation of Mulan’s view from her above comment.)

                  Am I reading you right? I of course stand corrected.

                  **Schedule 9, List II, Item 1 is quite clear that non-Muslims cannot be subjected to the syariah. They cannot be compelled to appear before the syariah courts[21]. “Syariah courts … shall have jurisdiction only over persons professing the religion of Islam”.

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                  • 49. mulanmalaysia  |  May 31, 2015 at 9:58 am

                    Is it fair then when in Kelantan’s proposed laws, a Muslim commits khalwat with a non Muslim, the Muslim is subjected to punishment but not the non Muslim.
                    Perhaps then the reason the ABU non Muslims are supporting hudud is so thst non Muslims can escape punishment. Any criminal code should affect both parties in the crime – Muslim or not.
                    In Brunei’s code, the usage of restricted words cover non Muslims. When any non Muslim misusses the words, there is punishment.
                    HH do you want justice with any code or a system with loopholes which is open to abuse?

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                    • 50. Mulan of Malaysia  |  June 1, 2015 at 10:53 am

                      Why not hudud?


                      In fact there is a study in 2012 by UM that says 42% of the Chinese support hudud. (I personally am not a fan but if the majority of the Chinese support, then I have to accept the decision of the majority)

                      http://lianglahad.blogspot.com/2012/09/42-kaum-cina-yakin-hudud-adil.html
                      “Jadi dengan segala persepsi buruk terhadap hudud yang telah diberikan oleh UMNO selama 55 tahun ini,maka 42% tu cukup untuk memberikan gambaran positif tentang pemahaman hudud dikalangan bukan Islam.

                      Hasil tinjauan itu dilakukan oleh Pusat Kajian Demokrasi dan Pilihan Raya Universiti Malaya (UMCEDEL)”

                      The question is this – “You pray for rain, you gotta deal with the mud too. That’s a part of it”. (Denzel Washington said this) If the Chinese supported hudud like in the video, then they must be contented with the consequences of their decision. Voting is not for fun – for selfies and Facebook posting – like many young Chinese. With great power, comes great responsibility.

                      The support for hudud in the 2012 study, is that with the many negative stories from UMNO, the Chinese are have a bad impression of hudud before 2012. There is a perception that UMNO laws are unjust thus an alternative is needed … an UBAH. Now that there is the UBAH, why complaint? There are pros and cons of both systems.

                  • 51. mulanmalaysia  |  May 31, 2015 at 10:06 am

                    Of course I am shocking you. I am making you think. You open Pandora’s box.
                    When anyone supports Pakatan in the elections, they should support warts and all.
                    Hudud and negara Islam has always been PAS’ struggles. Since the 20th century, even before Angkatan Perpaduan Ummah. Now, PAS in in Pakatan. Support the latter is automatic support of the former.
                    Let us put in an easy to understand scenario.
                    Assuming you want to eat Char Koay Teow but hate taugeh but still want to eat Char Koay Teow
                    Do you start removing the taugeh before you eat and complain you were charged with taugeh?

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                    • 52. HH  |  May 31, 2015 at 11:55 am

                      Mulan

                      I see you have taken issues on the question of ‘fairness’ wrt ‘double standard practices’ in the course of justice.

                      What you have highlighted is not dinstinct to the hudud issue on hand. Malaysia has been practising a dual-justice system, as enshrined in our Constitution since our independence. (Common and syariah law)

                      Regardless if hudud is here to stay, syariah laws has long been implemented. To find grouses on the issue of fairness would invariably open up an even bigger pandora box.

                      As for PR playing with fire, political parties forming strategic alliances are nothing new. Ultimately time would tell if they made the right judgment call. To assign blame solely on PR being instrumental in bringing about hudud, would be no different from your disdain for DAP supporters calling UMNO supporters proponents for corruption.

                      Now, we don’t want to be hypocrites, right?

                • 53. bnm  |  May 31, 2015 at 10:33 am

                  Why should non Muslims be subject to Islamic laws like hudud?

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                  • 54. mulanmalaysia  |  May 31, 2015 at 12:04 pm

                    As I mentioned fairness, in a cases where there are Muslim and non Muslims both my must be tried together.
                    It is not fair to punish the Muslim party in a khalwat and scott free for the non Muslim party.
                    Alvin Tan and similar persons can continue to insult Islam as they know well they can get away easily.
                    Don’t you want justice?

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                    • 55. HH  |  May 31, 2015 at 1:44 pm

                      Mulan

                      Quote: don’t you want justice?

                      My, you are indeed virtuous.

                      Any responsible individual would opined justice is best meted out in the court of law.

                      Cheers

                    • 56. bnm  |  May 31, 2015 at 7:14 pm

                      Agree with you on fairness. 2 offenders of a similar offense ought to be punished similarly. But where is the fairness if non-Muslims are subject to Islamic laws? This is the real question.

                      re: Don’t you want justice?

                      Justice according to civil laws or Islamic law? An offense may be criminalised under Islamic law (eg khalwat) but not civil law. Which law to follow?

                      My questions above illustrate the hudud dilemma.

      • 57. RINA  |  May 30, 2015 at 11:32 am

        Ohya HH. As a Muslim saya sendiri kurang fasih bab2 hudud. Baca terjemahan saja tak cukup. Kena attend classes and dapat penerangan Dari tuan guru kelas kami.

        You faham hudud from where? Mr Google?

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        • 58. HH  |  May 30, 2015 at 1:07 pm

          Admittedly I don’t know much about hudud apart from reading various POVs around the net on the very issue.

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          • 59. islam1st  |  May 31, 2015 at 2:05 am

            So keep quite and listen. Saya pun tak pandai. Tapi saya tak buat2 pandai dan hina mereka-mereka yang nak buat, orang Muslim Kelantan.

            Nik Abduh kata Muslim Kelantan dah 25 tahun ready nak buat Hudud, kenapa pula Reverend kat Sabah dan Sarawak, ataupun bukan Islam kat KL pula yang nak bising?

            Tak payah pergi Kelantan wor?

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            • 60. HH  |  May 31, 2015 at 8:28 am

              Islam1st

              There is always wariness when new precedents are introduced.

              Precedents are possible blue prints of the future.

              If hudud can be introduced in Kelantan, what is there to stop other states from adopting hudud as well?

              A commentator above (comment no.7) in his/her reply to me too had touched on the possibility of hudud untuk semua.

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              • 61. RINA  |  May 31, 2015 at 5:33 pm

                HH,
                Better sort your problems on issues like same sex marriages yg tengah dok rancak mengembang di kalangan pengikut2 Agama Christian. Itu lagi dasyat, satu hari boleh pupus penganut2 Christian..

                Macam mana nak membiak?

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                • 62. islam1st  |  May 31, 2015 at 11:24 pm

                  ‘Macam mana nak membiak?’

                  Import Cina Mainland macam majulah Singapura!

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            • 63. bnm  |  May 31, 2015 at 7:25 pm

              Siapa yang paling kuat bising? Bukan Sabah Sarawak atau orang di KL. Yang paling bising adalah BN Umno. Mereka ‘bising’ secara sembunyi. Dari luar nampak macam sokong hudud. Tapi dari dalam sebenarnya cuba sabotaj. Sudah pegang kuasa sejak merdeka dengan majoriti 2/3. Tak pernah ada cubaan untuk tegakkan hudud. Apabila Kelantan nak buat pada masa 1993, Mahathir halang. Sama juga masa Terengganu. Sekarang Pak Menteri Umno Jamil Khir pula kata hudud kena ikut perlembagaan. Mana keislaman kenyataan ini? Sepatutnya, Umno kata ‘perlembagaan patut dipinda supaya ikut hudud’. Kalau Umno boleh bersidang di parlimen sehingga awal pagi untuk luluskan Pota, mengapa tidak boleh percepatkan rang uu hudud Hadi Awang? Umno juga tidak berani tegur parti komponen BN yang menentang hudud.

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              • 64. islam1st  |  May 31, 2015 at 11:25 pm

                ABU till kingdom comes. Selesai masalah.

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  • 65. Salim  |  May 30, 2015 at 11:05 am

    We can allow new race ANAK MALAYSIA…..provide you speak good BAHASA MALAYSIA…BAHASA MALAYSIA as your mother tounge… respects RUKUN NEGARA… If this cannot be done then please don’t confuse us. If you cannot speak good Bahasa Malaysia how do you expect to become BANGSA MALAYSIA. Please don’t get confused

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    • 66. islam1st  |  May 31, 2015 at 2:06 am

      Haha. NOT IN A MILLION YEARS. Boleh mimpi Malaysian First nak fasih Bahasa Kebangsaan. Fasih Hua Yi, Kantonis dan Hokkien boleh la. Ada yang boleh cakap pun wor?

      Helen, berapa dialek Cina you boleh cakap?

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      • 67. islam1st  |  May 31, 2015 at 2:07 am

        ‘Ada yang boleh cakap pun wor?’

        Ada yang boleh cakap Hakka pun wor!

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  • 68. maae  |  May 30, 2015 at 11:27 am

    Frankly, I don’t believe in Dap. I don’t believe in PKR either. Slightly favour to Pas. They are the real hypocrites and in disguise too. They don’t fight for democracy but only on self-interest, cronyism and nepotism. We have seen such behaviours.

    Maybe some may argue with me. The fact is, Malaysia is considered the best friend of trade / lead by examples, among some.of the developed countries. US too, big power, just couldnt deny that. We have enjoyed our life here.

    Myanmar totally on ethnic favoritism (fair skin). Even The silence “that noble lady – already in agony, cried in tears for years” despised the rohingyas, playing total hypocrite. She forgot herself.

    Similarly, Helen, to your “double-tongued mem besar” evangelist. She always create holograms and double vision that is not based on reality.

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  • 70. peacecombe  |  May 30, 2015 at 11:55 am

    Good, objective post, conclusions!

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  • 71. shamshul anuar  |  May 30, 2015 at 11:58 am

    Helen,

    Do you notice UMNO is increasingly becomes more Malays and more “religious?”

    Part of it comes from realization that why on earth UMNO has to think so much about Chinese when it has been soundly rejected by Chinese in the last elections.

    Meaning now UMNO is free to say it support Hudud or at least does not object to hudud proposed by PAS. Before last election, UMNO often said due to multicultural nature of the society necessitates UMNO to keep Hudud proposal at bay. But with total Chinese rejection of UMNO and BN, it is too stupid for UMNO to say it has to think about the Chinese.

    Hudud by PAS actually put PAS in delicate position. Before this PAS blamed UMNO for rejecting Hudud. But with state assemblymen from UMNO supported Hudud bill in Kelantan, PAS has lost its moral high ground. Now it has to prove hudud if possible.

    As for Chinese, it can no longer expect UMNO to object Hudud. This is because they simply rejected UMNO overtures at every junctions. And I heard UMNO people said that Chinese too support Hudud as they voted for PAS. The only one rejecting Hudud is DAP.

    AS FOR HANNAH BEING a hypocrite, that is not surprising. Why make fuss of your race? It is that God given identity. Even in other countries, race tag is relevant. In USA there are classifications like White, Black, Asian Americans, Native or Hispanic. Nothing to be embarrased.

    If it is so important to remove race tag, why not remove the separate school system?

    .

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    • 72. Helen Ang  |  May 30, 2015 at 12:45 pm

      SHamshul,

      re: “Do you notice UMNO is increasingly becomes more Malays and more ‘religious’?”

      Tahniah PAS kerana berjaya mentarbiah Umno secara halus.

      re: “Part of it comes from realization that why on earth UMNO has to think so much about Chinese when it has been soundly rejected by Chinese in the last elections.”

      Sebab Tun nostalgia dan masih cayang, http://chedet.cc/?p=1344

      re: “Before last election, UMNO often said due to multicultural nature of the society necessitates UMNO to keep Hudud proposal at bay. But with total Chinese rejection of UMNO and BN, it is too stupid for UMNO to say it has to think about the Chinese.”

      Ia pilihan pengundi Cina yang sokong pembangkang 90 peratus. Cuba tengok pada kabinet bayangan DAP. Takde pun ia mencerminkan keseimbangan dari segi wajah wakil-wakilnya yang berbilang bangsa. Melayu seorang jer – Datuk Sak.

      re: “Now it has to prove hudud if possible.”

      Tidak wujud istilah ‘mustahil’ dalam kamus politik.

      re: “The only one rejecting Hudud is DAP.”

      Beserta pasangan pengapitnya – MCA & Gerakan.

      re: “AS FOR HANNAH BEING a hypocrite, that is not surprising. Why make fuss of your race?”

      Sebab dia kahwin campur. Macamlah di dunia ini tidak pernah ada wanita yang bersuamikan bangsa lain.

      re: “Nothing to be embarrassed.”

      Sampai keturunan anaknya pun dia sanggup nafikan.

      re: “If it is so important to remove race tag, why not remove the separate school system?”

      Dah lah hipokrit, asyik konpius pulak tu.

      .

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      • 73. shamshul anuar  |  May 31, 2015 at 11:49 am

        Helen,

        I could not agree more.

        I have been talking with many UMNO members too. And I take note that that said they view MCA, Gerakan as another version of DAP.

        Short of saying it out loud, I believe UMNO alliance with MCA, Gerakan is coming to its end. Despite Najib trying very much to “ambil hati” Chinese, the latter has decided that they are better off with DAP.

        So actually it serve no purpose for UMNO to continue giving ministerial post to MCA or Gerakan. These parties do not earn it. To get the coveted Ministerial post, a political party must earn the right. that is to win in Chinese constituents.

        AS FOR PAS, it does not the stature like UMNO has in BN. And for DAP’s interest, PAS will never be allowed to be dominant in PR. PAS is useful in order to give malay votes to DAP. That is all. BUt PAS will not be allowed to reign supreme in PR.

        Besides, even with turmoil in UMNO due to 1mdb, UMNO still commands the lion share of malay votes. No doubt it must be careful as Malays can switch allegiance to PAS. But still i do not feel it that way.

        Malays stick to UMNO out of fear.

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      • 74. shamshul anuar  |  May 31, 2015 at 11:58 am

        Helen,

        I wonder whether politicians like Hannah Yeoh can survive politically in Western countries. In no time she will be “butchered” for her penchant on tweeting in august assembly.

        Ans I bet she cant have her way like insisting her daughter to be cateogarized as “Bangsa malaysia”. The authority would simply tell her off.

        I too critical with Western politicians and their tendency to preach. But sometimes I find them good as I could not find anyone of them as being as hypocrites as Hannah Yeoh or DAP.

        And DAP cant survive say in Australia. I mean Australians cant accept Kit Siang who lords DAP for half a century. And of course there is no such thing as Guan Eng to usurp the post of Chief minister. Australians are very strict. the post goes to the most senior person in that winning party. Meaning the State DAP chairman of Penang will get the post.

        And besides, no australians would want to be associated with a racist party like DAP that only think about a dynasty

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        • 75. islam1st  |  May 31, 2015 at 11:28 pm

          ‘And DAP cant survive say in Australia. I mean Australians cant accept Kit Siang who lords DAP for half a century.’

          Huh. Memang la. Kalau LKS cakap english kat Australia macam dia cakap bahasa kebangsaan kat Malaysia, orang sana pun mesti takmau undi dia punya wor! Only in Malaysia…

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          • 76. Helen Ang  |  June 1, 2015 at 12:44 am

            re: “Australians cant accept Kit Siang”

            Australians cant accept Hannah Banana either.

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            • 77. shamshul anuar  |  June 1, 2015 at 9:22 am

              Helen,

              Australia had already rejected her. apparently, Australia seems to be able to judge people more accurately than we are

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            • 78. What Is This  |  June 1, 2015 at 10:04 am

              Because the Aussies can’t accept Hannah, all Hannah can say is “don’t change your country, change your government”. l o l !

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        • 79. Jeff  |  June 1, 2015 at 9:44 am

          Do you think a racist, race based party like UMNO will survive in Australia? Pauline Henson tried to introduce semi race based policies and was shunned by most Australians apart from a few redneck Queenslanders. Tbh, no Malaysian political party could have a hope in hell of surviving in true democracies such as Australia.

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          • 80. Helen Ang  |  June 1, 2015 at 10:21 am

            Depending on which statistical source you cite (the figures may vary), but in any case…

            The population of Malaya in 1957 was

            Malay – 42.9%

            Chinese – 44.2%

            Indian – 10.6%

            Did Australia ever have this ethnic balance of population?

            Don’t forget that it wasn’t too long ago that your adopted country had a ‘White Australia’ immigration policy.

            And it was only in 1965 that the blacks in USA got to vote in a country founded 1776.

            The minorities in Malaya got the right vote in 1952 (KL municipal election) n a country founded 1957.

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            • 81. What Is This  |  June 1, 2015 at 10:48 am

              He is whitewashed. You can be sure that he will come here later to argue with you in a more belligerent manner. Typical whitewashed trash this Jeff. Wa ha ha ha !

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            • 82. Jeff  |  June 1, 2015 at 10:59 am

              Granted Australia has a very regrettable past, which most Australians today are ashamed of. The treatment of the aborigines were shameful and disgraceful to say the least. However, things have changed and today Australia is a model of success for multiculturalism. In the cooperate world, believe it or not, white Australians are a minority even though they make up the majority of the population. Asians and other Europeans tend to dominate the businesses and finance industries.

              I am all in favour of reducing the income gap in Malaysia, and am happy to see affirmative policies introduced to achieve that. Affirmative actions that is applied to all low income Malaysians is the way to go, regardless of race. As it currently stands, the poor bumis will be the main benefactors of such policies anyway. Let the average and above average bumis compete on their own, with maybe a certain amount of additional privileges being afforded to them, but within reason.

              The way it currently stands however, a lot of successful and educated non bumis are leaving the country and this brain drain is going to have massive impact on the country in time to come. One million Malaysians leaving overseas is an unacceptable figure, and we have UMNO to thank for that,

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              • 83. Jeff  |  June 1, 2015 at 11:05 am

                * beneficiaries rather.

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              • 84. Helen Ang  |  June 1, 2015 at 12:21 pm

                re: “today Australia is a model of success for multiculturalism”

                What about the racist attacks on Indians in Brisbane last year?

                re: “In the cooperate world, believe it or not, white Australians are a minority even though they make up the majority of the population. Asians and other Europeans tend to dominate the businesses and finance industries.”

                Are the “other Europeans” white?

                re: “I am all in favour of reducing the income gap in Malaysia, and am happy to see affirmative policies introduced to achieve that. Affirmative actions that is applied to all low income Malaysians is the way to go, regardless of race. As it currently stands, the poor bumis will be the main benefactors of such policies anyway.”

                Will you be against Hindraf’s request for affirmative action to help Indians, by race?

                re: “The way it currently stands however, a lot of successful and educated non bumis are leaving the country and this brain drain is going to have massive impact on the country in time to come.”

                They’re leaving to work in Abu Dhabi and Dubai, among other high-paying destinations. Are you saying that in those two places there is less religious and race discrimination compared to Malaysia?

                re: “One million Malaysians leaving overseas is an unacceptable figure, and we have UMNO to thank for that”

                Actually, some Malaysian would breathe a sigh of relief and thank Umno. Pity Hannah Yeoh’s PR application in Tasmania was rejected or otherwise we would have more reason to be grateful to Umno.

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                • 85. Jeff  |  June 1, 2015 at 1:40 pm

                  “What about the racist attacks on Indians in Brisbane last year?”

                  Typical Helen. Taking an isolated incident in Melbourne by a bunch of hooligans and using it to represent all of Australia.

                  “Are the “other Europeans” white?”

                  What’s your point? It’s still a meritocratic based system which clearly doesn’t exist in Malaysia with it’s 30% bumi quota etc.

                  “Will you be against Hindraf’s request for affirmative action to help Indians, by race?”

                  Clearly a sign that the minorities are extremely unhappy with UMNO’s racist policies. Being treated as a second class citizen is not what most want. If UMNO had looked after all it citizens, Hindraf would not have been formed.

                  “They’re leaving to work in Abu Dhabi and Dubai, among other high-paying destinations”

                  The most popular countries that Malaysian choose to emigrate to are Australia UK and NZ. Abu Dhabi and Dubai don’t even register. The majority of Malaysians emigrating overseas move to the West for obvious reasons.

                  “Actually, some Malaysian would breathe a sigh of relief and thank Umno. ”

                  And hence why UMNO is now trying to create incentives to reverse the brain drain with TelentCorp etc? The horse has bolted though.

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                  • 86. Helen Ang  |  June 1, 2015 at 2:43 pm

                    re: “Typical Helen. Taking an isolated incident in Melbourne by a bunch of hooligans and using it to represent all of Australia.”

                    Typical Jeff. Contradicting yourself. I was referring to a June 2014 incident where Raj Sharma was racially abused and spat on. You’re referring to a series of attacks on Indians in Melbourne (2009-2010).

                    Already one example from me and one from you. So how can it be “an isolated incident” when the Melbourne episode was a “spate of attacks”.

                    Most recently, clashes over racism issue yesterday in Oz, http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-31/reclaim-australia-group-rally-broken-up-by-police/6510194

                    re: “Are the ‘other Europeans’ white?” / “What’s your point? It’s still a meritocratic based system which clearly doesn’t exist in Malaysia with it’s 30% bumi quota etc.”

                    Are you shifting the goalposts?

                    First you say, “In the corporate world, believe it or not, white Australians are a minority”. Next you said, “Asians and other Europeans tend to dominate the businesses and finance industries.”

                    So I’m asking you – are the “other Europeans” who dominate biz and finance white also? You claimed that white Australians are a minority.

                    re: “If Umno had looked after all it citizens, Hindraf would not have been formed.”

                    Do you think that if the Chinese DAP were ruling Malaysia the last 60 years, poor Indians would have been treated better?

                    re: “The most popular countries that Malaysian choose to emigrate to are Australia UK and NZ. Abu Dhabi and Dubai don’t even register.”

                    I did not say that Abu Dhabi and Dubai are the top destinations to settle down permanently. I said these two places attract Malaysia ‘talent’ (the brain drain) because they offer high-paying jobs.

                    So the Malaysian Chinese leaving the country to work in the Middle East are willing to put their demands for religious and racial equality on hold first?

                    re: “And hence why Umno is now trying to create incentives to reverse the brain drain with TalentCorp etc? The horse has bolted though.”

                    A number of Transformation initiatives by Najib are questionable. That’s why there is now a strong movement by the Malays to kick him out.

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  • 87. Owl  |  May 30, 2015 at 12:29 pm

    If you believe that DAP is not completely stupid, then they must have known that their criticism was only going to benefit the ulama faction in PAS’ elections. Why would they do this? Certainly, PR’s strength comes from all three parties (accepting that they need east Malaysian parties to become a viable government). So, any break up will hurt all three. Is it a strategy to strengthen PAS in the rural constituencies? Or is it a way to make gains for DAP in 2016 in Sarawak? Is it to make the Anwar faction more important or to remove his influence? All the important moves in Malaysia are done through quiet conversations, the rest is theatre for the masses.

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    • 88. Helen Ang  |  May 30, 2015 at 12:47 pm

      re: “If you believe that DAP is not completely stupid”

      I believe they are consumed by hubris.

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  • 89. Zack  |  May 30, 2015 at 1:25 pm

    Helen you know why Hanna wants to put her child as Bangsa Malaysia? Because she is ashamed to put it as Indian.

    Since the birth certificate will register the child race same as the father, so her children will be stated as Indian. To avoid this situation, she decides to make it into political thing to hide her racist behavior.

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  • 90. Ardent  |  May 30, 2015 at 9:12 pm

    hannah yeoh is too full of herself. her ego stands in the way of her judgement and she can’t accept criticism of any kind. i voted for her because i thought things would be different and there would be a change. well i’d rather vote for the opposition fighting against her. no use having a drama diva queen who has a holier-than-thou attitude and parades around showing off her “contributions” to the residents. bodoh sombong betul. screw you miss “YB” yang bodoh.

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