Isma red alert on take Johor for Jesus

June 2, 2015 at 10:13 am 57 comments

BREAKING NEWS: The ‘Johor for Jesus’ programme scheduled to begin June 4 has been cancelled after Isma highlighted its provocative content.

IsmaWeb broke the news that the cancellation came about after intervention by the Johor Menteri Besar and the state exco for Housing and Local Government.

Isma is quite correct about the provocation. The Christians are exhibiting a strong streak of “triumphalism” which is making adherents of other religions uneasy. – updated 7.52pm. 2 June 2015


Original posting below BANGI, Selasa – Berikutan pendedahan yang dibuat oleh Ismaweb semalam, video trailer dan iklan persidangan Kristian MforJ 2015 Take Possession of The Land Kingdom Conference telah ditarik balik.

Di Youtube, video berdurasi kira 1 minit 20 saat itu yang dimuatnaik di tiga pautan berlainan telah dipadam oleh pemilik akaun berkenaan.

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Laman web christianitymalaysia.com telah memadam entri ‘Johor for Jesus’

Ismaweb turut mendapati entri berita yang mempromosikan persidangan itu di laman web http://www.christianitymalaysia.com telah dipadam.

Semalam, telah tersebar di kalangan pengguna internet dan media sosial video trailer persidangan Kristian yang menyiarkan kata-kata seperti ‘Johor for Jesus’, ‘Take possession of the land (Johor Bahru)’ dan ‘Johor never be the same’.

Program dianjurkan kumpulan yang menamakan diri mereka sebagai 'Movement for Jesus' (M4J)

Program dianjurkan kumpulan yang menamakan diri mereka ‘Movement for Jesus’ (M4J)

Persidangan agama Kristian MforJ 2015 Take Possession of The Land Kingdom Conference dijadual berlangsung di Berjaya Waterfront Hotel, Johor Bahru, pada 3 hingga 5 Jun ini. – IsmaWeb

CATATAN: Carian Ismaweb mendapati, kumpulan itu giat melakukan promosi melalui laman sosial facebook di akaun https://www.facebook.com/pages/MforJ-REVIVAL-MOVEMENT/393685334035059.


Johor DUN PRU13

Impian Johor mahu dikecapi

DAP bercita-cita untuk menakluk Johor dalam PRU14 nanti. “Johor is now the front-line state in the 14GE as PR victory in both Putrajaya and Nusajaya are now within reach for the first time in nation’s history” – kenyataan akhbar Lim Kit Siang pada 5 April 2014 (Sumber: Laman rasmi DAP)

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“Rise up its (sic) time to take Subang for Jesus!!!”

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Jerusubang – evangelista Sentral

Sudah bertahun-tahun dah si evangelista menjalankan program mendakwah di kalangan remaja dan belia. Sebelum ini pun ada dikelolakan Subang Rally yang menyeru untuk “Take Subang for Jesus”.

Penaung Subang Rally ialah YB Subang Jaya Hannah Yeoh yang telah memberi sumbangan wang bagi acara tersebut. BAWAH: “Subang Rally: Subang for Christ”

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Christian Fellowship Subang Rally

Christian Fellowship Subang Rally

Kemeja-T dengan cogankata

“Subang for Jesus”

“Ignite for Christ”

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Hannah Yeoh beserta setiausaha politiknya Edward Ling juga dijemput untuk memberi syarahan di Subang Rally.

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Hannah Yeoh menyampaikan ‘khutbah’ di Subang Rally

Edward Ling (Hannah Yeoh's pol-sec), speaker at Subang Rally

Setpol Hannah Yeoh (Edward Ling) memberi syarahan di Subang Rally

 Kegiatan dakwah evangelista berjaya

Sebanyak 20 orang pelajar sekolah berjaya diKristiankan dalam sesi pertama Subang Rally 2011 iaitu kegiatan evangelis yang dijalankan di kalangan murid sekolah dan penuntut kolej.

Lihat nota pemberitahuan di bawah.

Christian Fellowship di mana Hannah Yeoh memberi khutbah

Christian Fellowship Subang Rally di mana Hannah Yeoh memberi khutbah

prayed for her and her assistants, gambar dari http://subangrally.blogspot.com

prayed for Hannah and her assistants, gambar dari http://subangrally.blogspot.com

Klik untuk besarkan “Around 20 people accepted Christ in the first session. Indeed, God is moving, and believe that more will come in session 2.”

From the Subang Rally website

Screenshot halaman di laman sesawang Subang Rally

“Allah = God”

“God is moving”

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Take the city (KL) for Jesus

Damansara Utama Methodist Church (DUMC) di antara gereja yang paling aktif menganjurkan kegiatan-kegiatan evangelisme.

BAWAH: Hannah Yeoh dijemput untuk berucap di DUMC

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DUMC: “How do we win our city for Jesus?”

Matlamat DUMC adalah untuk menjadikan negara kita “God’s Kingdom” bagi puak Kristian.

BAWAH: Fesbuk DUMC menyatakan hasrat gereja untuk menawan Kuala Lumpur untuk Jesus WinKLforJesus2 WinKLforJesus DUMC2013 YeoBeeYinDUMC2

ATAS: Adun DAP Damansara Utama, YB Yeo Bee Yin pun terlibat dengan DUMC

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Ambiklah ko 1Malaysia sekaligus untuk Jesus

Satu Malaysia mahu diambil mereka untuk Jesus. Cuba teliti senikata lagu gospel Harapan Bangsa – rujuk SINI yang dinyanyikan oleh Jacyln Victor dan perhatikan juga imajan-imajan (bawah) yang mengiringi klip video muziknya. JVbelongs Twitter - headsink- Bila Jacklyn Victor dihujani ... 2013-11-04 12-07-44

ATAS: Jaclyn Victor mengamok di Twitter apabila para peminat mengucap “Selamat menyambut Deepavali” kepadanya. Kata penyanyi genit itu: “I AM A CHRISTIAN. I CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS. TAU KAN? (siap guna huruf besar lagi)

Laaa ... peace and harmony, peace and harmony Jac. Chill.

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Najib sekarang ni nak pungut evangelista pula

Badan Christians for Peace and Harmony Malaysia akan dilancarkan oleh Perdana Menteri Najib Razak hari ini di Hotel Majestic, KL.

Pergerusi Christians for Peace and Harmony ialah Rev. Wong Kim Kong, iaitu penasihat eksekutif National Evangelical Christian Fellowship. 

“Voices for Peace and Harmony” pun mesti Kristian hendaknya. Semua suara di persada awam mahu dibolot oleh evangelista.

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Najib is mixing politics with /Christian/ religion Is Najib going to be taken advantage of by the evangelistas?

57 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Jeff  |  June 2, 2015 at 12:43 pm

    Here we go again.

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  • 2. Mat  |  June 2, 2015 at 12:44 pm

    Why don’t they Take Rohingya instead? Pathetic lot!

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    • 3. Jeff  |  June 2, 2015 at 1:29 pm

      Another non issue made into a huge deal by kak Helen. Of course Christians are going to ask Jesus to take ownership of their land as they believe he is God. No different to Muslims asking Allah to protect and take ownership of themselves, their families, their homes and their country. The pathetic ones are the Muslims who buy into kak’s propaganda.

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      • 4. Helen Ang  |  June 2, 2015 at 1:42 pm

        re: “Of course Christians are going to ask Jesus to take ownership of their land”

        If you had read my earlier articles on the anti-Indian riots in Burma, you’d realise that the outbreak of violence was sparked when the chettiars took ownership of the paddy lands in the Irrawaddy delta.

        The land belonged to the natives who mortgaged to the chettiars. When the Burman peasants and farmers failed to meet their loan repayment, the chettiars foreclosed.

        Controversial novel Interlok by Sasterawan Negara Abdullah Hussain told a similar story about the Chinese middle/businessman cum informal usurer (moneylender) – this is pre-Merdeka – who also took away land from the Malay paddy planters.

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        • 5. The Rithmatist  |  June 2, 2015 at 1:59 pm

          Helen’s logic is very simple – borrow money, then default.

          How? By claiming to be the victims of usury, discrimination and the tyranny of the minority.

          It’s a foolproof way to run away from your debts and not be held to account.

          Of course, in countries with a strong rule of law and clear and transparent legal systems, borrowers can’t get away with this nonsense.

          Of course, in Helen’s “Neverland”, anything is possible…..

          Hahaha….

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          • 6. Helen Ang  |  June 2, 2015 at 2:30 pm

            COPYPASTED from https://seap.einaudi.cornell.edu/sites/seap.einaudi.cornell.edu/files/2007fFeature-Chettiars.pdf

            “Unable to collect even interest payments on their loans, increasingly they came to foreclose on defaulting borrowers and to seize the pledged collateral. For the most part this was land. The result was what would prove a catastrophe for Burma’s future as vast tracts of the country’s cultivatable land passed into the Chettiars hands.

            “By 1938 the proportion of the land in Burma’s principal rice growing districts in the hands of the Chettiars reached an astonishing 25 percent. […]

            “The alienation of much of the cultivatable land of Lower Burma, a tragic and seminal event in the political economy of Burma, would also prove to be the equally tragic climax to the story of the Chettiars in the country.

            “Exposed to the (understandable) anger of indigenous cultivators and the demagoguery of Burmese nationalists of all stripes, they became easy scapegoats not just for the current economic distress, but the foreign domination of Burma’s economy more generally.

            Anti-Chettiar feeling in Burma during the depression soon turned into anti-Indian (and anti-foreigner) feeling generally, and in the latter half of the 1930s communal riots became commonplace.”

            ______________________________

            Well, shit happens.

            Don’t be too complacent, yah. With the kind of attitude being openly displayed by the evangelistas, the bleating of the Lambs (of God) about rising race and religion tensions should hardly surprise anyone.

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            • 7. Helen Ang  |  June 2, 2015 at 2:46 pm

              POSTSCRIPT:

              The Burman farmers – above – were angry at the chettiars who took their land but very soon the anger turned into anti-Indian sentiments. B’cos of the chettiars, innocent poor Tamil labourers got hurt too in the riots and they had to leave the country as well in a mass exodus.

              In Malaysia, it is the evangelistas who are making the Malays angry, esp. over the kalimah ‘Allah’ and Allah Bible issues and from the sneakiness arrogance displayed by the evangelical Christians like calling BN supporters “stupid” and “morons”, etc. etc.

              However innocent Chinese will kena tempias too because the sentiment is generally anti-Chinese, for example the Boikot Barangan Cina campaign which is unable to differentiate if the shopkeeper is a DAP or MCA voter, or if he a a Christian or Buddhist/Taoist.

              Therefore I hope the Buddhists can realise this, i.e. what the evangelistas are doing will impact Chinese belonging to other religions too, and WAKE UP!

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              • 8. Noon  |  June 3, 2015 at 10:29 am

                I wholeheartedly agree!

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      • 9. islam1st  |  June 3, 2015 at 12:33 am

        ‘Of course Christians are going to ask Jesus to take ownership of their land as they believe he is God. No different to Muslims asking Allah to protect and take ownership of themselves, their families, their homes and their country.’

        Sebab kau dah berambus mungkin otak kau dah berkarat. Islam, Agama Persekutuan. ‘TAU KAN? THANK YOU’

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        • 10. Jeff  |  June 3, 2015 at 4:17 pm

          If its done in the confines of their own Church or conference hall, then what’s your problem? If it’s done in a public place open to anyone (not a hotel convention hall but a park etc) then I sympathise with you, but I don’t think the above examples indicate this.

          I actually think you and a lot of other Muslims are extremely hypocritical when it comes to the issue of conversion. You are not upset because your fellow brethren might leave your religion and possibly damn their souls in the process, as thought in Islam, but rather you can’t handle people defecting to another faith due to the ego blow that you suffer as a result of it.

          It’s all very tribal in nature, and ultimately, it’s the dent to your own personal pride that triggers such insecure behaviour.

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          • 11. islam1st  |  June 4, 2015 at 12:45 am

            ‘You are not upset because your fellow brethren might leave your religion and possibly damn their souls in the process, as thought in Islam, but rather you can’t handle people defecting to another faith due to the ego blow that you suffer as a result of it.’

            Islam sayang sama itu Muslim sebab itu kita bagi kaunseling. Ego tak ada kena mengena la brader. Hidup kat dunia ni, Allah nak judge kita bukan dengan berapa besar ego kita…so kalau tak faham Islam, jangan nak buat fitnah dajjal ok? Kau pun cite Fox dengan CNN ke untuk matters on Islam and Muslims?

            ‘It’s all very tribal in nature, and ultimately, it’s the dent to your own personal pride that triggers such insecure behaviour.’

            Ya lor mesti tribal maa, Melayu. Mesti insecure juga maa, Melayu wor. What to do Melayu wor!!

            Ko punya bangsa First World ready wor!

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    • 12. The Rithmatist  |  June 2, 2015 at 3:13 pm

      “Muslim Rohingya women gang raped at border camps” – AFP report on The Malay Mail website.

      Of course, we wouldn’t expect Helen to comment on such “incidents”.

      Judging from her blog posts on the subject of Rohingyas, one might be tempted to conclude that her take would be along the lines of “these Rohingyas had it coming”.

      But, to give her the benefit of doubt, such a conclusion could be erroneous and she would be “outed” as a supporter of Rohingya rights. Unpalatable though that may be.

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      • 13. Helen Ang  |  June 2, 2015 at 3:23 pm

        re: “one might be tempted to conclude that [Helen’s] take would be along the lines of ‘these Rohingyas had it coming’.”

        Tsk, tsk, tsk.

        Hitting so low beneath the belt? But since you’re a Christian (new denomination, I’d presume), then I guess there’s nothing else for me to say.

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        • 14. The Rithmatist  |  June 2, 2015 at 5:12 pm

          Am I “hitting so low below the belt”? Is that an easier accusation than trying to discredit the AFP report? A little sleight-of-hand, perhaps? Or, perhaps, a “diversionary tactic” to avoid being backed into an untenable corner?

          According to a report in the Singapore Straits Times today, a Thai court has approved an arrest warrant for a top army officer suspected of smuggling Rohingya Muslim migrants into Thailand.

          Also the report said US Assistant Secretary of State for Population, Refugees and Migration Anne Richard had called on Malaysia to begin cooperating with the UNHCR. It was reported that the Malaysian authorities “have yet to engage the agency (UNHCR) with regard to processing the boat arrivals and it (UNHCR) has not been able to gain access to the 1,100 migrants detained in Kedah after they arrived early last month.”

          More flights of fiction by AFP and the Singapore paper?

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          • 15. Helen Ang  |  June 2, 2015 at 5:24 pm

            re: “Is that an easier accusation than trying to discredit the AFP report?”

            My, aren’t your standards shoddy. Sendiri pasang benang, ‘pastu sendiri tegakkan.

            Where in my response or anywhere in my write-ups have I mentioned your AFP report much less what you’re accusing me of, i.e. “trying to discredit the AFP report” or accusing the report(s) to be “flights of fiction”.

            Your method of attack is to fling a lot of mud – unrelated and plucked from thin air – and hope some of it will stick.

            In one of your earlier comments sometime back, you intimated that you were a Christian. Now I’m beginning to consider that you belong to the evangelical strain.

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            • 16. islam1st  |  June 3, 2015 at 12:36 am

              Ala Helen, sama jer, cer kau suruh Rithmatist komen sikit pasal Guan Eng takmau ambik Rohingya masuk Penang? And the Malays and the Indians too with the ‘rumah kerajaan negeri’ episode??

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  • 17. Hawkeye  |  June 2, 2015 at 2:56 pm

    I do not want to digress from the topic of this article, but…..

    Yeo Bee Yin is an evangelist too…?

    This is so contradictory to her feminist/”social-justice-warrior” rant about “marital rape” and “consent” a few weeks before.

    Why do I say this? Well, how about a passage (or two) from the bible:

    “The husband must fulfill his (sexual) duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Stop depriving one another (of sex).” 1 Corinthians 7:3-5

    Source: http://bible.ca/marriage/sex-on-demand.htm

    And even better:

    “For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does”. 1 Corinthians 7:3-4

    http://acts17-11.com/dialogs_sex_denial.html

    If your husband wants sex, it is a sin to refuse him. If your wife wants sex, it is a sin to refuse her.

    So, it makes you wonder, where in God’s name did this “marital rape” came from? And why is an evangelist, of all people, saying this stuff?

    Anyone might find this odd, but if one is aware of the social landscape in the west, they will find that churches nowadays have been infiltrated with the toxic feminist ideology. When I say “infiltrated”, I don’t mean the odd Gloria Steinem or Shulah Firestone wannabe had managed to become pastors and slip their toxic ideology into their teachings.

    Rather, the churches white-knighted themselves to the women so much that they adopt toxic ideology, slowly, but surely. Of course, they did not adopt this on their own free will (though some do), but through constant pressure from politicians, and so called “social justice warriors” and “progressives”, who masqueraded behind NGOs concerned with – you’ve guessed it – “social justice”.

    So Yeo Bee Yin, having adopted this toxic ideology+teachings, “returned to Malaysia to make a difference”.

    And that is how, out of the Malaysian blue, you suddenly hear “marital rape”, one that (may I repeat again) is contrary to the teachings of not just the bible, but especially in Islam.

    But what’s even funny (and annoying at the same time) is that while the “badan-badan Kristian” here became “garang”, the churches in the west became soft and just bend over backwards to others & their toxic ideology!

    I guess for DAP, it is “anything goes!”. Just take in any people for their party. Semuanya ditelan, semuanya disental. Asalkan ABU, sampai jadi abu!

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    • 18. Helen Ang  |  June 2, 2015 at 3:08 pm

      Yes, YBY is an evangelist. She witnessed (gave Christian testimony) when she explained to the public what motivated her to enter politics.

      She also blogged about her spiritual journey and she gave talks in churches. If you Google, am sure you’ll come across something of it.

      Or you can read her opinion about the court judgment on the ‘Allah’ case. She wrote:

      Congrats to Allah’s soldiers

      “This must be a happy time for those of you who think you have won a war for Allah.

      “First of all, I would like to congratulate Perkasa and other NGOs who have screamed, shouted, and threatened Malaysians who disagreed that Allah should be exclusive to Muslims. Congratulations! You have won your holy war. Go celebrate.

      Second, I would like to congratulate the four judges who dismissed the Catholic church’s application for leave to appeal against a decision upholding the government ban against its use of “Allah” as a reference to God. If you made this judgement to protect your own religion, congratulations for sacrificing your professionalism.”

      http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/comment/2014/06/24/congrats-to-allahs-soldiers/

      And of course, the trademark of the DAP evangelista politician, her photo below.

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      • 19. The Rithmatist  |  June 2, 2015 at 3:21 pm

        And your point is….?

        If what she wrote is deemed to be “contempt of court”, she would have been charged by now.

        It’s amazing that the Christian evangelical movement is getting such a bad press. There must be something in there that is making people feel “insecure”.

        To use the words “inferiority complex”, “a sense of perpetual victimisation” et al would be way off the mark.

        Now who was it that wrote “God moves in mysterious ways….”?

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        • 20. Helen Ang  |  June 2, 2015 at 3:24 pm

          Why don’t we encourage readers of this blog to read YBY’s comment for themself? They can be the judge.

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          • 21. Jeff  |  June 2, 2015 at 4:33 pm

            Yes, let’s encourage them since most of your readers are just so objective and fair in their views pertaining to Christians and Christianity.

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            • 22. Helen Ang  |  June 2, 2015 at 5:05 pm

              Are you saying my readers are lacking in objectivity and unfair to Christianity?

              You forget that Jesus is a revered prophet in Islam and as are the Old Testament prophets. the virgin mother Mary is held in the highest honour by Muslims and considered a pure woman as well.

              So maybe my readers just find the born-again Christians proliferating in Jerusubang unpalatable. These new converts (like Hannah Yeoh who converted at age 19) should not be the benchmark for what a ‘true’ Christian is.

              Better that these zumba-zumba Kristian-Baru-Ubah (tukar agama) be considered just as cult deviants and shunned.

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              • 23. The Rithmatist  |  June 2, 2015 at 5:17 pm

                Didn’t the Bible mention Jesus as saying “in my Father’s House, there are many mansions” (John 14)?

                So, what you so cavalierly dismiss as “cult deviants” may just have a mansion in The Father’s House.

                Unpalatable?

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                • 24. Helen Ang  |  June 2, 2015 at 5:28 pm

                  Why don’t you tell us your denomination over there in S’pore so that we have a better idea? City Harvest? New Creation?

                  If Christianity were regulated like Islam is in Malaysia, some of the RM2 churches would likely to be deemed ajaran sesat or memesong akidah.

                  Lucky for the born again Christians in Malaysia, there is no oversight.

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                  • 25. HH  |  June 2, 2015 at 7:07 pm

                    Quote: If Christianity were regulated like Islam is in Malaysia, some of the RM2 churches would likely to be deemed ajaran sesat or memesong akidah.

                    Regulate Christianity? How to regulate matters of the heart?

                    Set up some prison-like reform facility in the middle of the jungle and roundup the unfaithfuls to break them into perpetual submission?

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                    • 26. afendihamat  |  June 2, 2015 at 8:08 pm

                      “matters of the heart”
                      that’s quite hilarious with slogans like “Take Subang for Jesus”. sneaky is as sneaky does.

                    • 27. HH  |  June 2, 2015 at 9:42 pm

                      afendihamat

                      If you are so obstensibly good humored, then your kind would not get so hung up on mere slogans.

                      Lol

                    • 28. islam1st  |  June 3, 2015 at 12:51 am

                      ‘If you are so obstensibly good humored, then your kind would not get so hung up on mere slogans.’

                      Islam, Agama Persekutuan wor HH.

                      ‘Set up some prison-like reform facility in the middle of the jungle and roundup the unfaithfuls to break them into perpetual submission?’

                      Why sakit hati is it, projek murtad ada obstacles?

        • 29. Jason  |  June 5, 2015 at 1:34 am

          Helen should analyse why CPHM is getting bad press from Msiakini et al and see how NECF/CFM/CCM leaders respond to CPHM.

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          • 30. Helen Ang  |  June 5, 2015 at 6:09 am

            Beware strangers bearing gifts.

            From the bad press on CPHM from Msiakini et al, it looks like the Christians are going the 90 percent way just like Chinese voters.

            The Dapster-evangelistas are hurling all kinds of abuse at CPHM chairman Rev. Wong Kim Kong. In the particular instance, I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt- it takes on to know one. They know how slimy the Reverend KimKong is.

            It’s most disastrous to let the slimeball into Bangunan Perdana Putra and becoming any kind of con-sultant close to Najib.

            Doesn’t the PM ever learn? He was greeted by the ‘I Love PM’ placards and tens of thousands who turned up for his mega dinners (like the one in Klang where Michelle Yeoh was the guest of honour) and then he was tsunami-ed.

            He survived the Chinese tsunami but he won’t survive the coming Malay tsunami.

            It wasn’t the smartest thing in the world to do to embarrass Perkasa in public like he did at the Peace & Harmony Bintang Lima banquet, considering that BN gets its votes from the Perkasa type whereas 90 percent of the dinner guests were probably oppo voters.

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    • 31. islam1st  |  June 3, 2015 at 12:40 am

      ‘So, it makes you wonder, where in God’s name did this “marital rape” came from?’

      Tu la, si Zairil tu pun dok sibuk promote benda ni. Kesian la sama dekat orang lain. Ye la setengah orang, tak payah minta sama isteri, ada awek cun maa (siap ada gambar to prove wor). Setengah tak ada wor…

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  • 32. akarimomar  |  June 2, 2015 at 3:36 pm

    Johor Untuk Jesus – Kenapa Mereka Cuba Hilangkan Bukti?
    https://akarimomar.wordpress.com/2015/06/02/johor-untuk-jesus-kenapa-mereka-cuba-hilangkan-bukti/

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  • 33. g  |  June 2, 2015 at 9:37 pm

    Okay, some questions for me to understand the reality of things a little bit better;

    Is it true what I read off the internet that Christians believe that non-Christians are going to hell and that Christians are sincerely trying to convert non-Christians in order to save their souls from eternal damnation and hellfire?

    How is evangelism different from the other denominations of Christianity (protestant, catholicism)? Is it true that proselytizing is its core tenets?

    I have a lot more questions but lets start with these first

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    • 34. MUTATION  |  June 4, 2015 at 1:30 am

      http://www.quora.com/Do-any-Christian-sects-not-believe-in-the-Rapture

      The doctrine of the “Rapture” is relatively recent, becoming popular with certain Protestant denominations in the nineteenth century. Although all denominations teach that that those who are “saved” will have eternal life, the term “Rapture” is usually applied specifically to the belief that all Christians will be “taken up” into the air to meet Jesus and be delivered into heaven at a specific moment. Its introduction and popularization in Christian belief is relatively recent, and the teachings of older Churches “do not include any such doctrine.”

      American fundamentalist evangelicals are the main proponents of the “Rapture” belief system. Aren’t the novel mega-evangelical churches in Singapore and Malaysia also purveyors of the “Rapture ideology”?

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      • 35. g  |  June 4, 2015 at 12:32 pm

        Okay, so is being ‘saved’ the main reason why Christians want to proselytize? Or are there other reasons?

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        • 36. MUTATION  |  June 4, 2015 at 3:31 pm

          These fundamentalists have a triumphal attitude matched with a festive mood: “Join us, the end is nigh, be joyful for we the saved ones shall be swept up into heaven to meet Jesus before the great tribulation commences!”

          Of course, the worldly motive is to justify war-mongering – and they need more cult members to feel more convinced of their religious bigotry.

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    • 37. Chris  |  June 4, 2015 at 12:33 pm

      The New-Age Christian Evangelism upholds a belief system they call “Dispensationalism” They do not believe in the settlement of “peace and harmony” in the Middle East conflicts, and consequently it is hard to understand their vision for Malaysia as well. Fortunately however, not all Christians believe in their credo about the salvific Rapture and their version of Armageddon.

      “For the “Dispensational” community, the future is already determined. The Bible’s prophecies are being fulfilled with amazing accuracy and rapidity. They do not believe that the Road Map to peace in the Middle-East will – or should – succeed. According to [their own interpretation of] prophetic texts, partitioning is not in Israel’s future, even if the creation of a Palestinian state is the best chance for peace in the region. Peace is nowhere prophesied for the Middle East, until Jesus comes and brings it himself. The worse thing that the United States, the European Union, Russia, and the United Nations can do is to force Israel to give up land for a peace that will never materialize this side of the second coming. Anyone who pushes for peace in such a manner is either ignoring or defying God’s plan for the end of the age.”

      http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/02/evangelical-christians-want-to-start-wwiii-to-speed-the-second-coming-and-atheist-neocons-are-using-religion-to-rile-them-up-to-justify-war-against-iran.html

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      • 38. g  |  June 4, 2015 at 3:39 pm

        Okay, so how hardcore are their beliefs? Is it harmless? If I were to sit next to an evangelical would he/she wish me well or thinks I’m going to hell and he/she have to do something?

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        • 39. Jeff  |  June 4, 2015 at 4:28 pm

          I had some experiences with a certain evangelical group called “Church of Christ” in the 90s during my uni days and found that they were pretty radical and clannish. This was in NZ but am assuming that their practices are pretty much standard all over.

          They were very welcoming and accepting as long as I partook in their community and church activities. Bear in mind that I was a Catholic at the time and still am, but they viewed Catholics and other traditional Christians as not legitimate followers of Christ, and we were all condemned to hell according to them. I stopped attending their services as soon as I found out about their beliefs and was pretty much ostracised from their circle after this.

          In saying this, you still have your free will to decide which creed you want to accept or reject. As long as your own faith is strong, there really isn’t much to worry about. I don’t get some people who feel so threatened by someone else’s beliefs. My view is let them do what they want to, respect it and don’t let it ruin your day.

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          • 40. g  |  June 4, 2015 at 10:20 pm

            Okay, now I understand better.

            I think the evangelical movement in the country probably freaked out certain quarters and consumed by fear they lashed out at Christians in general without realizing there are many denominations of Christianity with different beliefs

            Thanks Jeff. I think I know what’s going on now.

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            • 41. Helen Ang  |  June 4, 2015 at 10:28 pm

              re: “Thanks Jeff. I think I know what’s going on now.”

              Thanks g. Am I to understand that the evangelistas freak out everybody everywhere?

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              • 42. g  |  June 4, 2015 at 10:55 pm

                Not everyone, I think just the ones who are aware of it and that is already a lot of people. Their militant and confrontational style plus a need to proselytize will certainly make some feel threatened.

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  • 43. afendihamat  |  June 2, 2015 at 11:13 pm

    HH,

    I like the slogans actually. They give a good glimpse into the hypocrisy and sneakiness of your kind.

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  • 44. bnm  |  June 3, 2015 at 8:59 am

    What is the problem with the event? All religious bodies have the right to organise events for their followers. Let say the event is being reorganise without the ‘offensive’ slogans or video being made public, how Isma is going to be alerted?

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    • 45. Helen Ang  |  June 3, 2015 at 9:56 am

      How do you interpret the slogan Take Johor for Jesus?

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      • 46. bnm  |  June 3, 2015 at 1:38 pm

        Unless you want to put the slogan under Sedition Act, I don’t see what is wrong with it. It may be offensive and sensitive to someone but not to another person, whose standards to apply here? Not sure is the police has initiated investigation under the Sedition Act against the organiser.

        Anyway, assuming the event goes on without the slogan/video being publicised (the slogan/video is being used in private closed door venue instead) how Isma and the authorities going to be alerted? How to regulate it? Put an Isma member or local authority officer to ensure that slogan/video is not being used?

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        • 47. HH  |  June 3, 2015 at 2:31 pm

          bnm

          I’ve not heard of the movement before, but from what I gather on their Chinese site, it is just one of those Charismatic healing rally. They are called MforJ – Malaysia for Jesus. Isma is just being ‘sneaky’.

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          • 48. islam1st  |  June 4, 2015 at 12:51 am

            ‘Isma is just being ‘sneaky’.’

            ABU till kingdom comes. ABI (I for ISMA) till kingdom comes too, HH?

            Johor For Jesus…or I die and Isma is to blamed? Seriously HH?

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        • 49. Helen Ang  |  June 3, 2015 at 3:06 pm

          bnm,

          You insist that you don’t see anything wrong with Take Johor for Jesus.

          Can you tell us how you interpret the slogan as harmless and inoffensive?

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          • 50. bnm  |  June 4, 2015 at 8:59 am

            2 perspectives. Legal and moral/personal. So far, no police action or investigation. Hence I say nothing wrong legally. The event was organised by a private association in a private hotel. No permit is necessary. In fact, it was the organiser that voluntarily cancelled the event. So, quite clear no wrong doing from the legal perspective.

            Now from the moral/personal perspective. What is “harmful and offensive” to Isma may not be the same to another person. Too bad that the event was cancelled by the organiser not due to legal basis but personal sentiment. That would also mean that Isma can check on any religious event, make a protest or complaint and the organiser is compelled to cancel it. Do you want this as precedent?

            In this global age of internet, you can cancel the event. But you cannot cancel the content of the event from being disseminated. The slogan and the video are now readily accessible. In fact, due to the cancellation the slogan/video are now more viral as people are curious to look for it. Same like the ban on Alkitab with Allah word. You can restrict the hard copy but not the electronic copy.

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            • 51. Helen Ang  |  June 4, 2015 at 11:49 am

              re: “Too bad that the event was cancelled by the organiser not due to legal basis but personal sentiment.”

              I believe it was the venue that tarik balik permission for use.

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    • 54. Jeff  |  June 3, 2015 at 2:56 pm

      It’s only a problem for kak Helen and her loyal supporters.

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      • 55. Helen Ang  |  June 3, 2015 at 3:04 pm

        It appears to have been a problem for the Johor exco, Johor MB, Johor Crown Prince and the 22 individuals who lodged police reports.

        They’re not associated with me in any way.

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  • 56. Roslee Bin Abdul Aziz  |  June 3, 2015 at 2:36 pm

    Allah untuk orang Islam sebab berlandaskan pada Surah Alikhlas.Orang kafir tidak boleh gunakan kalimah Allah dengan apa jua perbuatan dan tindak tanduk mereka.Lagi satu Allah iktiraf sahaja ugama Islam dan orang Islam yang pegang pada Quran dan Sunnah saw.Kalau kafir laknatullaah nak gunakan juga tunggulah balanya nanti.

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    • 57. Jeff  |  June 3, 2015 at 2:55 pm

      If you say so.

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