Christian reader: “A bunch of hypocrites and fanatics” objecting to short skirt

June 11, 2015 at 12:33 pm 72 comments

With regard to Suzanna Tan, who wore a tight skirt a few inches above the knee and was rebuked by the JPJ security guard, Transport Minister Liow Tiong Lai said, “This is a serious matter. You can’t impose your values on other people”.

See article ‘JPJ guard who handed woman sarong will be dealt with‘ in The J-Star today.

Liow said “JPJ does not have a sarung policy” (see video below).

Liow_ No sarong policy

No problem with shorts and slippers

Liow is the MCA president and his party-owned paper The J-Star yesterday front paged the sarung story. The EvangeliSTAR said their check “showed some JPJ offices have no problem serving those wearing shorts, skirts, sleeveless tops and slippers”.

What is the purpose of the MCA paper saying the above on its front page (see below)? That simply because some people get away with flouting the dress code prohibiting shorts, sleeveless tops and slippers, it becomes wrong for the JPJ Petaling Jaya office to enforce adherence to government regulations?

J-Star front page June 10

Hypocrites and fanatics here happily support a corrupt and racist party

Among the responses from the Christians to the controversy is Jeff @ 2015/06/11 at 11:43 am.

Jeff commented:

“HH, I agree that there’s nothing wrong or provocative about how she was dressed, but we are dealing with a bunch of hypocrites and fanatics here. They will happily support a corrupt and racist party as long as their own self interests are well looked after, but will make the loudest of noises over non issues such as this. Good on you Teresa, you are the voice of reason amongst a bunch of juveniles.”

Another Christian reader HH remarked @ 2015/06/11 at 12:10 pm:

“In the case of Suzanna Tan, I do think they were over-reaching. Her attire was decent and modest…. heck, something my mother would wear. Cheers”.

See also, ‘Teresa Kok: “JPJ is not a mosque”.’

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Whose values – the evangelista’s or the Muslim’s?

MCA boss Liow Tiong Lai said, “You can’t impose your values on other people”. He was saying that the JPJ cannot impose its values of modest dressing (skirt must be below the knee) on members of the public who visit its offices.

Do the non-Muslims want their more permissive values with regard to dressing to be the benchmark for Malaysia?

At least one Christian reader here thinks it is only “hypocrites and fanatics” who will regard Suzanna Tan (below) as flouting the dress code on public appropriateness. A lot more Christians out there agree with Jeff since Suzanna has been getting a lot of public support.

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  • 1. Cheap Publicity La bro  |  June 11, 2015 at 1:08 pm

    Hopeless People created cheap havoc to play with racial religious sentiment.

    As Malaysian eveyone knew what consider polite and impolite.

    Those evangelical people pretending to be so naive and stupid. The Star too play with god and karma.

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    • 2. ebyre  |  June 11, 2015 at 2:13 pm

      Media should adopt responsible reporting. But The Star is more incline to indulge in controversial reportin g…sensationalizing issues and boost up sales.Ultimate is profits.

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      • 3. Mulan Malaysia  |  June 11, 2015 at 2:37 pm

        Which paper is keeping count of nude activities in the country?
        http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2015/06/11/Penang-strippers-did-it-on-May-30-too/

        “PETALING JAYA: Call it the day of raw stupidity. Exactly a year before a group of people took off their clothes on Mount Kinabalu on May 30, another group of people organised the Nude Games on a secluded beach in Penang.”

        Only the Star keep an anniversary log book of nude activities in Malaysia. The Star reader do like nude news.

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        • 4. islam1st  |  June 12, 2015 at 2:02 am

          And the paper berani insinuates kononnya paper paling laris di Malaysia cakap pasal isu petty konon! Dengki la tu!

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  • 5. Chris  |  June 11, 2015 at 1:09 pm

    I’ve seen one notice years ago outside a Franciscan church in Singapore which said: “Ladies, please do not dress in short skirts and bermudas when visiting the church.”

    And the university campuses there are full of young women in shorts these days – the likes of which our grandparents would be aghast at. There seems to be a valid case for cultural discussions on standards of public attire and decent behavior.

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    • 6. AC-DC  |  June 11, 2015 at 3:50 pm

      Church. The key word is church. A church or mosque or temple is a religious place. Therefore dress codes apply.

      The JPJ is not a sacred place of worship.

      “And the university campuses there are full of young women in shorts these days”

      Fourty years ago, the same grandparents were ranting against bellbottom jeans.

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      • 7. AE  |  June 11, 2015 at 4:25 pm

        Dress code only apply on sacred hallowed grounds? No need to be decent anywhere else? No wonder chinese are turning to evangelism in droves. You can get married in church in full wedding gown and tux by a pastor and afterward goes out to take “just married” picture in public with bride wearing a veil, underwear and high heel, groom wearing bowtie, spender and shoes. Got moral or not? Got brain or not? You got GOD or not? Did your GOD says this is ok?

        40 years ago the say bell bottom not good, now we wear ass displaying short to class. What will your granddaughters wear in say 40 years from now? G strings? What will your grandsons do in campus? Fapfapfap in the back row? Tu belum kira yg LGBT lagi tu. Bila masa nak belajar? Boleh dapat ilmu ke macam tu? Guna akal sikit la ACDC.

        I seriously support this cultural discussion on the standards of public attire and decent behaviour! Just say when…

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        • 8. Jeff  |  June 11, 2015 at 7:07 pm

          “Dress code only apply on sacred hallowed grounds? No need to be decent anywhere else? ”

          AE, exactly what did you find so indecent about how Suzanna was dressed? Her blouse covered half her skirt which almost came down to her knees. In my mind what she wore would be perfectly acceptable in all the office environments that I have ever worked in.

          “Did your GOD says this is ok?”

          I think he would find Suzanna’s dress sense to be a lot more acceptable than the shameless levels of corruption practiced by many UMNO members.

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          • 9. AE  |  June 11, 2015 at 11:13 pm

            Dear Jeff,
            1) Suzanna attire is decent, just like HH mom would wear, but still does not conform to JPJ dress code standard. My question you referred to must be read with a touch of sarcasm directed at your friend’s AC-DC presumption that since JPJ is not a religious place of worship and therefore do not have the right to enforce a dress code on their visitors. So do JPJ have the right or not Jeff? Simple yes or no question just for you and acdc
            2) you are barking at the wrong tree. I’m the undi rosak guy. I hate corrupt umno but i hate dap evangelist more because they have no qualms to erode our morality as long as they can gain political mileage from it. Umno just eats money so they are the lesser evil. Your silly comparison does not affect me. Not one bit. So unless you have a valid response to my questions jeff…talk to the hand cos the face ain’t listening.

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        • 10. AC-DC  |  June 12, 2015 at 11:24 am

          “No wonder chinese are turning to evangelism in droves.”

          Evangelist Christianity can actually be quite conservative. This cannot do, that cannot do. Should not wear this. Should not wear that.

          “40 years ago the say bell bottom not good, now we wear ass displaying short to class. What will your granddaughters wear in say 40 years from now? G strings? What will your grandsons do in campus? Fapfapfap in the back row? Tu belum kira yg LGBT lagi tu. Bila masa nak belajar? Boleh dapat ilmu ke macam tu? Guna akal sikit la ACDC.”

          Most of the best universities in the world have no dress code, except for official ceremonies. I have visited some of these institutions in England and America, and you see plenty of women in miniskirts and hotpants attending lectures. They continue to produce some of the world’s best scientists, engineers, leaders, doctors, financiers, and policymakers.

          http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-19038488

          Meanwhile, all you do is obsess over what others wear. As Syed Akbar Ali said, all these people can think of is sex sex sex… camel camel camel…

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          • 11. islam1st  |  June 12, 2015 at 4:17 pm

            Says the guy who wants to kebas kalimah Allah. Arab wannabe? Maybe?

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          • 12. AE  |  June 12, 2015 at 8:50 pm

            A song i dedicate to AC-DC, Jeff, HH, The Rithmatist, pinkpantherwhathisface and all christian evangelist supporter here.

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l17O24ltXeM

            Maybe this is why a chinese converts, why your religion is still evolving like mutant, why anwar support pluralisme and you all behave like you do. There is a better version of the song but this one got subtitle. Hayati dan dalamilah senikatanya ye.

            P/s: hopefully my grammar is ok. schwinggggg ;)

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      • 13. RINA  |  June 11, 2015 at 7:15 pm

        Certain things we need to use our head, kasi sikit respect to the others, show some manners and etiquette. Those working in JPJ, 95% may well be Muslim employees, so fikir2 sendiri ma. Guna otak la. Ini bukan soal discriminasi or can sue or cannot.

        BTW AC-DC not all university in Malaysia are as free where dress code is concerned. One huge University here that I know of impose fines to students if they are not dressed accordingly.

        The Ahso is definitely a Chinese, let’s read this;
        http://www.travelchinaguide.com/essential/clothing.htm

        Okay la. Maybe her ancestors were born during the British era, a Malayan British citizen. Dah syiok terikut2 cara barat where these British came from. So they may have forgotten about their Chinese cultures as practised by their toknek moyang bapa emak who once came from PRC. Still;

        http://www.debretts.com/british-etiquette/british-behaviour/h/dress-codes

        So the Ahso ikut cara, adat dan budaya apa? Am amused as to Teresa’s sarong and mosque connection.
        In Sabah you can see some ladies going to church using batik sarongs and kebayas. (Indonesian Christians).

        http://www.fairwindssarongs.com/whatssarong1

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        • 14. The Rithmatist  |  June 12, 2015 at 4:43 pm

          Seriously?

          Now, why do you suppose, assuming that your data is correct, that 95% of JPJ staff may be Muslims?

          What’s that got to do with anything?

          I might as well ask if these 95% had no other places to seek employment?

          And if all taxpayers and Malaysians are treated equally, the question of a dress code shouldn’t even arise. Not in a public facility that is supported by taxpayers’ funds.

          Unless they are not “equal”?

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      • 15. islam1st  |  June 12, 2015 at 2:05 am

        ‘The key word is church.’

        Don’t you think Christian evangelist fanatics macam Teresa Kok should just say ‘church’ instead of ‘masjid’, yes?

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  • 16. Mulan Malaysia  |  June 11, 2015 at 1:39 pm

    Question 1 My colleague said this. There is a dress code and you breach it. Is it better to be given a sarong to wear or being asked to go back and change?

    Question 2: You went swimming and you suddenly got a text that your uncle had died. You go to your uncles’ house in a wet red T Shirt and pants covering a wet swim suit because you got no time to change.

    Question 3: Eat a Big Mac take out at a vegetarian restaurant because your mum is on vegetarian today and you hate vegetarian food.Is it OK?

    Question 4: Dress up like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman (the fashion in the first 10 minutes of the film) and eat dinner at the Majestic Hotel. Should the concierge allow you to enter the hotel?

    Question 5: Dress up in a cosplay outfit and take a kawai selfie at the PIBG meeting of Chung Ling High School. Fine isn’t it?

    These are question that concern etiquette. Definitely nothing racial, religious or gender based. Upbringing is the question.

    Even in church we are told of proper dressing. One pastor mentioned that it is not fine to wear the cross upside down – as there is a counter culture trend to do so, but that does not mean we follow. One pastor also talked at dressing decently in church. It is not about religion. It is all about respect. By the way the main Anglican church in Penang (the heritage one) has a dress code. Don’t expect to enter wearing flip flops and beach wear or clubbing wear.

    Additional question: Does anyone tweet before and after pictures when going to government department?

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    • 17. AE  |  June 11, 2015 at 2:56 pm

      1) take the sarong. Save time and petrol.
      2) i go back and change. My uncle might disapproval for my lateness didn’t matter cos he died. But the disapproval of those still living is not something i would risk just to show my uncle is dear to me.
      3) depends on my mum actually. will she take heart if vegetarians glare at me while eating dead cow in their presence? If yes then i would just tapau and eat at home. More quality time with mum dearest and peace & harmony for the vegetarians.
      4) if i was the concierge i won’t let you pass unless a) u are a secret agent and there is a ticking time bomb that only you can defuse or b)I’m getting a huge 2 months salary tip. Even then i would only place you somewhere where you won’t offend other paying customers.
      5) no cosplay unless there a cosplay convention there.

      So how does my etiquette and upbringing fare in your test? Or is this what we call rhetorical questions..hehe

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    • 18. islam1st  |  June 12, 2015 at 2:11 am

      ‘These are question that concern etiquette. Definitely nothing racial, religious or gender based. Upbringing is the question.’

      Thank you Mulan for putting it straight. Very muchly needed. Especially when the ABU crowds sedang meroyan with ‘the stupid Malay Talibans’ are at it again mantra!

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  • 19. Mulan Malaysia  |  June 11, 2015 at 1:51 pm

    BTW. Woman to woman.
    Suzzana Tan looks nice in a red sarong but make sure a tighter sarong. It is very flattering to her body shape. The tight skirt is just not it.
    She should also rethink her shoes. Heels would be nice.

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  • 20. RINA  |  June 11, 2015 at 1:54 pm

    http://womensweekly.my/women-we-love/in-the-news/an-open-letter-to-the-nudists-on-mount-kinabalu/

    Kepala otak lebih kurang macam ‘nudists’ mount kinabalu, lu apa peduli attitude, ikut suka gua mau pakai apa pergi JPJ. Fleedoom ma, fleedoom..

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  • 21. onsleuth  |  June 11, 2015 at 1:58 pm

    I think Jesus says something about revealing clothes and “aurat” are not confined to Islam alone. http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/4569/did-jesus-teach-people-to-literally-pluck-their-eye-out-and-cut-their-hand-off

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  • 22. ebyre  |  June 11, 2015 at 2:06 pm

    Apa yang baik dan bersopan tidak salah diikuti..semua agama mengajar benda yang baik dan beradab.Isu tidak perlu dipolitikan untuk sesuatu kaum atau agama. Masalah nya ada individuals politik suka menunjulkan diri konon mempertahankan sesuatu yg tidak kena tempatnya atau ingin menganggok di air keroh. Or bankrupt of political ideas.

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  • 23. mohamad adel  |  June 11, 2015 at 2:40 pm

    mau cari politial mileage .please la…….

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  • 24. AC-DC  |  June 11, 2015 at 4:12 pm

    “Do the non-Muslims want their more permissive values with regard to dressing to be the benchmark for Malaysia?”

    That standard of dressing was quite the benchmark in Malaysia in the sixties, seventies, and eighties.

    This JPJ dress code must be a new ruling thought up by some overzealous official. I have been to the JPJ offices to renew my driver’s license or transfer ownership of cars. I often see men and women of all races in attire that do not adhere to that dress code. None were turned away.

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    • 25. islam1st  |  June 12, 2015 at 2:17 am

      ‘new ruling thought up by some overzealous official.’

      Nope. Standard sets by KSN.

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      • 26. AC-DC  |  June 12, 2015 at 11:26 am

        “Nope. Standard sets by KSN.”

        Still some overzealous official.

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        • 27. islam1st  |  June 12, 2015 at 4:20 pm

          Jesus was accused the same. Is he?

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  • 28. IdrisMdIsa  |  June 11, 2015 at 5:37 pm

    Low Tiong Lai…”…..You can’t impose your values on others”____neither should you do things others find disgusting and repulsive! Have some respect! Jesus Christ would not be too pleased with your action of exposing too much of your legs!

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    • 29. The Rithmatist  |  June 11, 2015 at 6:03 pm

      Oh, wow – and how would you know what Jesus Christ would be pleased with and what he would be displeased with?

      In the Beatitudes, He didn’t say anything about dress codes, did he?

      Churches can specify dress codes as a mark of respect for churches as Houses of God.

      That is proper and understandable.

      Even workplaces have dress codes and “casual” Saturdays.

      But government offices that are meant to serve the public and which are financed by public funds?

      Don’t the taxpayers have a right to ask if their funds should be used, inter alia, to enforce dress codes?

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      • 30. Helen Ang  |  June 11, 2015 at 6:13 pm

        Since I’m not sure if Idris Md Isa is aware of this, allow me to mencelah.

        re: “how would you know what Jesus Christ would be pleased with and what he would be displeased with?”

        The evangelistas are always invoking the WWJD question, where the acronym stands for “What Would Jesus Do?”

        If the evangelical Christians are confident enough to speculate on WWJD, the it figures that they know what Jesus Christ would be pleased with and what he would be displeased with.

        Why should it be the evangelistas alone who are allowed to invoke “What Would Jesus Do?” Idris Md Isa should be accorded the same privilege.

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        • 31. HH  |  June 11, 2015 at 6:31 pm

          Excuse the intrusion…

          Quote: If the evangelical Christians are confident enough to speculate on WWJD, the it figures that they know what Jesus Christ would be pleased with and what he would be displeased with.

          Some Christianity 101 for the uninitiated.

          When Christians say WWJD, they are not advocating speculations…it simply meant going back to the bible for references.

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          • 32. Helen Ang  |  June 11, 2015 at 6:44 pm

            re: “going back to the bible for references”

            Idris Md Isa was alluding to exposure of the legs. Why don’t we all go back to the Bible for references on women covering up then rather than The Rithmatist being so forward.

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            • 33. HH  |  June 11, 2015 at 7:53 pm

              No one should dress to offend on purpose.

              But if someone finds the attire of another offensive, the onus of reconcilliation is on the offended. There is no end to what constitute offensiveness in individuals. The showing of knees, arms, cleavage, hair or even the face can be equally offensive depending on the culture.

              So where does it end for the offended? Legs today, hair tomorrow?

              I am not against reasonable dress codes for governmental institutions per se. The last thing I want (or anyone else for that matter) is go referencing holy texts in place of good old common sense.

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              • 34. Helen Ang  |  June 11, 2015 at 8:07 pm

                re: “The last thing I want (or anyone else for that matter) is go referencing holy texts in place of good old common sense.”

                It is Teresa Kok who dragged Islam into the equation of what should have been just an ordinary dress code issue.

                (the IdrisMdIsa-Rithmatist-HelenAng-HH comment thread on WWJD is a separate matter; let’s stick to the national conversation for this response.)

                Most girls’ schools would have rules that prohibit the hem of the pinafore from resting a few inches above the knee. In some offices, female employees are discouraged from wearing sleeveless blouses. In some clubs, collared shirts are required.

                The JPJ dress code is conservative but not necessarily Islamic. And neither is it unreasonable to stipulate skirt length below the knee.

                They’re not asking us to cover our hair which the DAP evangelistas voluntarily do anyway whenever they want to fake their nauseating kumbayah. Neither are the government regulations requiring us to drape our legs down to the ankle or to cover up our arms.

                NRD offices have the same dress code. As do other government buildings.

                The upshot is that Suzanna Tan violated the dress code. Inipun nak tai chi dan salahkan Islam.

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                • 35. IdrisMdIsa  |  June 12, 2015 at 12:04 am

                  Rithmatist…in Islam, we know what pleases Allah & what does not because it’s all in the Qur’an and traditions of the Prophet [saw]. We cannot be playing guessing game wrt to what is halal and what is not. We Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet of Islam and therefore his original teachings wrt to dress decency is similar to Islam’s. That’s why I said Jesus must have been displeased with Suzanna Tan’s attire on that particular day. More than that, though, I was being sarcastic. You didn’t get it.

                  Jesus’ original teachings have been [especially wrt to the do’s and dont’s] massively innovated that Christians like Rithmatist, don’t even know what pleases their “Lord Jesus” what does not. Also, Christianity is still an unsettled religion that. its teachings are still evolving. And since they are man made, their values too, keep on changing. Decades ago, decency was being covered but now being naked is not indecent. Not only not indecent, they even claim it’s a human fundamental right to be naked. So, you Christians, stop preaching! We don’t need your guidance coz you people are a misguided and lost bunch!

                  BTW, since I’m now on line, I would like to add a bit more to my earlier comment i.e. it’s not about imposing one’s value on others but rather the need to respect others’ value. No Muslim would even expect others to observe the Islamic “aurah” fully, what we wish is for others to just not to expose themselves too much. Dress down to the knees and sleeves to the elbows. Is that too much to ask for? Are your fundamental rights violated in any way? Instead, it will go along way towards lots of positive things!

                  I was in Sabah last week [was “lucky” to experience the earthquake [in Kundasang when it happened] and its aftershocks [sleepless night in Kota Belud]. I drove from KK to Kundasang the day before the quake and after the quake, to Kudat, putting up in Kota Belud for a wedding] before returning to KK the next day. During my drive I saw a number of stalls selling roasted wild boar [unaware, I even stopped at one, looking for a toilet]. Of the many, only one had a banner in BM [babi hutan panggang], others all have banners in Kadazan [two in English], “silanau bakas” if I remember correctly. I commend the non-Muslim natives of Sabah as a very fine example of being respectful. They know, Muslims find even the name/word “babi” disgusting, let alone alone see the animal and/or meat, so they avoid using using the “B” word. How subtle, courteous and respectful they are! There are many other examples. Can you expect the same from the DAP hordes here in Semenanjung?…just ask for a small thing, all their fundamental rights would be violated!

                  Anyway, I also have something to say about Muslims having to respect the rights of others when performing the religious duties but later, when Helen posts an appropriate piece.

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                  • 36. Jeff  |  June 12, 2015 at 6:14 am

                    “Jesus’ original teachings have been [especially wrt to the do’s and dont’s] massively innovated”

                    Wow, another Muslim who claims to know Christianity better than the Christians themselves.

                    No worries, it’s your right to comment and believe what you want to, but please don’t get offended when Christians comment on Islam. You lot get very touchy whenever Christians make any assertions or comments on your religion.

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                    • 37. HH  |  June 12, 2015 at 9:10 am

                      Jeff

                      Well said.

                      These kind has no qualms coming up with insulting assertions (false teachings etc) on another faith but get adamant when their faith is put under scrutiny.

                    • 38. AC-DC  |  June 12, 2015 at 11:41 am

                      Well said Jeff. People such as IdrisMdIsa are very keen to ask others to respect them… after commenting about other people’s faith.

                      He comments that Christianity has been massively innovated. Meanwhile in the Middle East, Muslims are killing one another. The root cause lies in a schism over a thousand years ago of a caliph named Ali and both sides think they are defending Allah by fighting the other.

      • 39. islam1st  |  June 12, 2015 at 2:20 am

        ‘But government offices that are meant to serve the public and which are financed by public funds?’

        At all cost? Really? Geez, go tell that to the dead LKY. For a Singaporean wannabe, I’m really surprised man. You let me down.

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        • 40. The Rithmatist  |  June 12, 2015 at 4:52 pm

          I am confused.

          Your point is what precisely?

          Can you enlighten us as to which Singapore government facility that is open to the public imposes a mandatory dress code?

          Note that I wrote “open to the public” – like the A&E departments in government hospitals, the HDB area offices, the neighbourhood police posts, the ICA HQ, the LTA offices etc.

          As opposed to, say, Parliament House, where there is a dress code.

          So, again, what is your point?

          Or are you merely obfuscating?

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          • 41. islam1st  |  June 12, 2015 at 6:05 pm

            ‘I am confused.’

            I can always tell.

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            • 42. The Rithmatist  |  June 13, 2015 at 4:41 pm

              Really? How, pray tell?

              Or is it “verboten” to use the word “pray” in this context?

              Hahaha…..

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  • 43. EVLee  |  June 11, 2015 at 7:14 pm

    Boss Helen
    Just read that Firdaus Wong of Multiracial Reverted Muslims has joined the fray. Teresa Kok of ‘JPJ is not a mosque’ should wear short skirt to Parliament since ‘Parliament is not a mosque’. Hi hi hi …
    So how?

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    • 44. Helen Ang  |  June 11, 2015 at 7:39 pm

      Yes, Saudara Firdaus spoke up before I wrote this piece. He preceded me.

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      • 45. islam1st  |  June 12, 2015 at 2:24 am

        In your own term Helen ‘Munafiks’, remember?

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  • 46. thepinkpanther777001  |  June 11, 2015 at 9:00 pm

    Interesting all these riffs on “decency”, “morality” and “dress codes”…

    I have been watching live telecasts of the athletics events at the SEA Games now going on in Singapore.

    The female track and field athletes from Thailand and Vietnam wear skimpy cropped off tank tops and even skimpier shorts that show miles of legs and toned flesh!

    Indecency? Well, they seem to be doing pretty well, compared with the Malaysian female athletes who are dressed soberly with no titillating displays of flesh to lead idle male minds astray!

    Will the ulamas in PAS and the yahoos in Isma demand a dress code be imposed on female athletes when Malaysia next hosts the SEA Games or an international athletics meet?

    Because, heaven forbid, we can’t have men, especially Muslims, being tempted and led astray by such wanton displays of feminine pulchritude! Even on the sports field.

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    • 47. islam1st  |  June 12, 2015 at 2:28 am

      ‘Even on the sports field.’

      Yup. We respect them too much to let them. Sorry.

      ‘Thailand and Vietnam wear skimpy cropped off tank tops and even skimpier shorts that show miles of legs and toned flesh!’

      Some goes to Thailand and some Vietnam, but I’m happy to note that some do likes their TV. Good for you.

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      • 48. The Rithmatist  |  June 12, 2015 at 4:56 pm

        You could certainly improve your grammar, if nothing else!

        How about refuting the points raised by @thepinkpanther instead of obfuscating?

        And who are you “respecting too much”?

        Is that a convenient readymade ex

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        • 49. islam1st  |  June 12, 2015 at 6:07 pm

          ‘You could certainly improve your grammar, if nothing else!’

          Give me a break will you. I’m not even half Chinese remember?

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          • 50. The Rithmatist  |  June 13, 2015 at 1:56 pm

            And that, ladies & gents, is the sum total of his rebuttal.

            Take the break, mate – you sure could use it.

            And maybe reflect on what HRH Sultan of Johor said about English-based education and the Singapore education system.

            I am waiting for Kak Helen to write an acerbic post about this.

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            • 51. islam1st  |  June 13, 2015 at 8:00 pm

              ‘And that, ladies & gents, is the sum total of his rebuttal.’

              Ya lor, I’m Malay what. I only had some Chinese blood through my paternal Tokwan whom I was told had some. I’m not even quarter wor. Malays are stupid maa, remember?

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      • 52. The Rithmatist  |  June 13, 2015 at 4:23 pm

        Ah, yes – “respect”.

        It’s strange that this “respect” doesn’t extend to cover issues like child marriage, incest and rape.

        Or how about the documented instances of “sex slavery” practised by the likes of Boko Haram and ISIS?

        I don’t see the yahoos at Isma mouthing off about “respect” in this context, do you?

        Since we are on the subject of female athletes and what they wear when competing, are the Filipino, Thai and Vietnamese female track and field athletes any less deserving of “respect” than their more conservatively (I was about to write “covered up”) rivals?

        It is performance, winning medals, being drug-free. Not about dress codes or parts of the female anatomy!

        So, when Malaysia next gets to host the SEA Games, Asian Games or a regional track & field meet, let’s see how this issue of “respect” is handled.

        I am sure that Malaysia will be careful not to get “sanctioned” by the IAAF, for example, for specifying mandatory “dress codes” for female athletes.

        Unless, of course, some yahoos wish to put that to the test.

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        • 53. AE  |  June 13, 2015 at 5:23 pm

          Why are you tagging so much negative words on islam? Child marriage, incest, rape and sex slavery isn’t muslim problems exclusively. We are against it. If it is not written in Qur’an, it will be mentioned in hadith, or at the weakest, we muslim wil have a fatwa against it. We just don’t go around and advertise it to the world just like the vatican suppressed coverage when priest molest choir boys. Are we all warmongering terrorist in Christian’s eyes? Are we all affiliated with boko haram or isis?

          On the sports attire issue. Let us say that the yahoos are in power. I personally feel that we will respect non muslim athletes right to wear whatever they need to wear to be competitive as long as they don’t flaunt the rule e.g wearing bikini in fencing. But muslim athletes will have to cover their aurat, no 2 ways about it. We aren’t that french yet to impose our values on infidels. Just don’t go looking for OUR god’s loopholes, you won’t find one. Not like yours. http://youtu.be/l17O24ltXeM

          Tak payah la besar besarkan pasal grammar ni, menggelabah la kau ni.

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          • 54. islam1st  |  June 13, 2015 at 8:04 pm

            ‘Why are you tagging so much negative words on islam? Child marriage, incest, rape and sex slavery isn’t muslim problems exclusively.’

            AE the guy got his feed on Muslims and Islamic matters via Fox News and CNN. Apo nak dikato!

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  • 55. Orangkampung  |  June 11, 2015 at 10:17 pm

    A dress code is a dress code, no two-ways about it. You go to a public pool, can’t jump in in your tshirt. You wanna board a plane, you don’t wear a shirt with the word BOMB. You meet your mom in law for the first time, you don’t dress like Lady Gaga in performance. You go to pasar malam you don’t wear pajamas .. oh wait, let’s not impose our values on others.

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    • 56. Helen Ang  |  June 11, 2015 at 10:36 pm

      As long as we don’t agree to ABU & UBAH, we’ll always be a bunch of hypocrites and fanatics to them.

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      • 57. islam1st  |  June 12, 2015 at 2:29 am

        Well said Helen. Well said!

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  • 58. RINA  |  June 12, 2015 at 5:20 pm

    Haiyaa

    Why do some Christians criticise the hijab when Mary, Mother of Jesus wore the hijab too?

    https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130716160827AA4vnX3

    Why o why Teresa Kok? Just cover sikit betis aje dah kalut?

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    • 59. The Rithmatist  |  June 13, 2015 at 1:52 pm

      Simple….Jewish women at the time of Mary and Jesus covered their heads in public. At that time.

      How many Jewish women with covered heads in public do you see now? In Israel, in the US, in Europe?

      Why are the French contemplating legislation banning Muslim women from wearing the hijab in public?

      I don’t see the yahoos at Isma mounting noisy demos in front of the French Embassy or calling for the boycott of French goods.

      Like I said, bullies know precisely how far they can go before their chain gets yanked or before people push back.

      Right, Helen?

      Not that I’d characterise you as a “bully”…… lol.

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      • 60. Helen Ang  |  June 13, 2015 at 2:02 pm

        re: “How many Jewish women with covered heads in public do you see now? In Israel, in the US, in Europe?”

        Hannah Yeoh and her evangelista party colleagues cover their heads when Occupy Masjid.

        re: “bullies know precisely how far they can go before their chain gets yanked or before people push back. Right, Helen?”

        Right.

        The “DAP SuperCyber Bully” Hannah Yeoh has been allowed to get away with it for far too long – bullying scores of ordinary Twitter users. Jentik jer Ratu Twitter DAP tu, dah terus kena block dah.

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        • 61. The Rithmatist  |  June 13, 2015 at 4:06 pm

          Ask the masjids why they need to mandate a dress code! Are they following the example of churches, synagogues and temples that also have mandatory dress codes?

          All on an equal footing?

          And, Helen – how did you morph from Jewish women at the time of Christ covering their heads to Hannah Yeoh?

          It must be exasperating, if not downright infuriating, when your numero uno bete noire keeps popping up with apparently undiminished popularity and electability!

          Since we are on the topic of “cyberbullies” would you care to comment on a certain blog on the aviation industry where the blog owner allows people to describe AirAsia boss Tony Fernandes as a “pariah” and the new MAS CEO as “white scum”?

          Isn’t that ” cyberbullying”?

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          • 62. Helen Ang  |  June 13, 2015 at 4:13 pm

            re: “when your numero uno bete noire keeps popping up with apparently undiminished popularity and electability!”

            Hitler was also popular. Am comparing only their brainwashing tendencies, not genocidal bent.

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            • 63. The Rithmatist  |  June 13, 2015 at 4:38 pm

              Helen – you omitted to mention “popularity” and “electability”.

              Unintentionally, no doubt.

              Hopefully you aren’t saying that the electorate is being “brainwashed”.

              Because that would reflect on the Malaysian education system that most of the electorate studied under.

              Like not being able to distinguish between right and wrong, for instance. Or being led astray by such alien concepts such as “globalisation”, “liberalism”, “meritocracy” and “religious equality”.

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              • 64. Helen Ang  |  June 13, 2015 at 4:45 pm

                Don’t blame their education, blame their ABU hate.

                Hitler was popular and Hitler was elected. Populations don’t always think wisely and act smartly.

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                • 65. islam1st  |  June 13, 2015 at 8:13 pm

                  ‘Don’t blame their education’

                  Of course they must, a stupid Melayu (especially a Malay First) must not be left ruining the education system for all Malaysians. And they shall never stop. Not until one of them is helming the ministry, kan Lim Lip Eng?

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                  • 66. Helen Ang  |  June 13, 2015 at 9:07 pm

                    In any case, they’re SRJK (C).

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                  • 67. The Rithmatist  |  June 15, 2015 at 6:26 pm

                    Cue in the recent remarks on reintroducing English-medium education in the country.

                    And was that a note of admiration for the Singapore education system?

                    How very appropriate, given your post.

                    But it is all spelt out in the competitiveness and PISA rankings, is it not?

                    As for “stupid” administrators, bureaucrats and politicians – it takes a great deal of dedicated effort to mess up something so fundamental to a country’s well-being, competitiveness and self worth as a national education system.

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                • 68. The Rithmatist  |  June 15, 2015 at 6:32 pm

                  As in the case of Erdogan and the recent elections in Turkey?

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      • 69. RINA  |  June 13, 2015 at 6:01 pm

        Kesian you ni Rithmatist.

        Neither here nor there or anywhere.

        Asyik gaping towards the West meleleh ayaq lioq tak renti. Takpe now can UBAH to even look like them. Sekarang plastic surgery very cheap in Korea. But try to take less garlic. Mat Salleh also don’t like tht smell.

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        • 70. The Rithmatist  |  June 15, 2015 at 3:57 pm

          Hahaha…..

          Let me know how you fare the next time you interview for a job with Amazon.com, Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft or Twitter.

          Maybe all the cutesy “Malaysian ways” will help you to get your foot in the door.

          Seems to me that the Koreans are doing pretty ok, even while contending with the MERS outbreak.

          So, apart from your attempts at cheap humour and ineffectual repartee, what else do you have to peddle?

          Or have something substantive to contribute?

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      • 71. islam1st  |  June 13, 2015 at 8:07 pm

        ‘Like I said, bullies know precisely how far they can go’

        Spoken like a true bully.

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        • 72. The Rithmatist  |  June 15, 2015 at 6:28 pm

          Glad you picked that up.

          I was afraid that the high-falutin’ verbiage would have sailed right over your intellectual cognisance.

          Hahaha….

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