Isma akan bangkit

June 27, 2015 at 5:17 am 44 comments

Suaram, in its 2014 Human Rights Report of Malaysia launched on Wednesday (June 24), highlighted “six worrying trends” over the last year that the staunchly opposition NGO wants our government and the general public to stem.

The most major “worrying trend” is what it characterized as “increase of racial and religious hate speech”.

Suaram said:

“2014 saw an increase in racial and religious hate speech by right wing groups, most notably Perkasa and Isma, which has been silently tolerated by the authorities. This is in stark contradiction to the clampdown on critical voices and dissenting views with the draconian Sedition Act, in which authorities labelled such speeches as threatening public order. Ethnic relations has been further strained despite claims of commitment to moderation and tolerance by the Prime Minister at high profile international meeting.

“Suaram warns that if this issue continues to develop with no meaningful action taken by the government to eradicate hate speech, it will not only hinder process of freedom of religion and racial equality, but it could fuel ethnic and religious hatred that may lead to civil conflict, destroying the multi-ethnic and multi-religious society of Malaysia.” Source: http://www.suaram.net/?p=7043

Summarized below are the accusations levelled by Suaram against Isma

  • Isma is a “right wing group”
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  • Isma is guilty of “racial hate speech”
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  • Isma is guilty of “religious hate speech”
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  • Isma has escaped a clampdown on it although the government slaps the Sedition Act on other organizations
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  • Isma would “fuel ethnic and religious hatred that may lead to civil conflict” if the government fails to take action
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  • Isma through its actions would be “destroying the multi-ethnic and multi-religious society of Malaysia”

The above are serious allegations which Suaram is making against Isma and they’re not true.

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Opposition SOP is to pile accusations upon accusations

I’ve not come across “hate speech” by Isma. Suaram fails to cite examples showing what it considers to be Isma’s hate speech. Instead Suaram merely hurls ad hominems like rolling a bowling ball on a Sunday afternoon outing at the alley.

Suaram is in fact being as irresponsible and underhanded as Hannah Yeoh and her rabid fan base by simply tossing such damaging assertions that nonetheless remain unsubstantiated.

Take for instance Hannah’s accusation of “extreme views” against her most recent critic, Sin Chew columnist Lim Fang. See screenshot of her Facebook below.

Lim’s criticism of Hannah is perfectly valid. However, Hannah – being the sneaky politician that she is – attempted to deflect Lim’s critique by accusing him of holding “extreme views”. Or in other words, Hannah has branded Lim as an extremist in order to try and dent his credibility.

Hannah extreme views

‘Sneaky’ is their middle name and they’re simply sickening

Hannah Evangelista is aided and abetted in her character assassination of Lim by her hardcore cult following who spewed a hot lava flow of vitriol at the Chinese newspaper columnist.

As example is the tweet by @oliviasy – a member of the Hannah ardent following (see below).

Now let’s analyse the modus operandi used by Olivia to smear Lim.

FireShot Screen Capture #1073 - 'oliviasy haters

“Haters gonna hate”

One, from the praises that Olivia lavished on Hannah, it’s easy to see that the little twit is trying (quite in vain) to establish the correctness of Hannah’s position. Positive words are associated by Olivia with the Jerusubang evangelista – “showed respect & tolerance”, “did right”.

Two, negative words are associated by Olivia with the Chinese newspaper columnist although he’s not mentioned specifically by name. She implied he is a “lowlife” who makes “stupid comments”. She additionally implied that he “should be cast aside”, presumably by polite society.

She was also alluding to Lim when she pontificated, “Haters gonna hate”.

It is actually Lim who has been the victim of a torrent of hate in the social media gushing from the Hannah fanboys and fan girls. The venom “spewed” by the enraged evangelista cultists has been most vituperative.

Twitter - hannahyeoh- the weather is behaving racist

Even our weather is compared with racists and accused of being “so extreme”

Making outrageous accusations is so ingrained in the evangelista politicians that badmouthing whatever under the sun that irks them has become an unconscious habit.

Take the above ‘classic’ tweet from yesteryear by @hannahyeoh. She said, “the weather is behaving like some racist newspaper/NGO – so extreme. Thunderstorm last few weeks and now hot & hazy”.

Isn’t it just outrageous of Hannah to accuse cuaca panas & berjerebu of the crime of extremism and connecting the behaviour of our weather with (the most likely culprits/suspects in her scheme of things) Utusan and Perkasa?

Well, there you have it. This is exactly how the DAP evangelistas behave! Their behaviour is symptomatic of the DAP’s Politics of Hate which has soiled the fabric of our society.
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‘Umat Islam tidak perlu “gula-gula” DAP untuk nafi mereka anti-Islam’ (Ismaweb, 26 June 2015)


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Inasmuch as Hannah and Guan Eng loudly proclaim that they’re “not anti-Islam”, the more discerning Muslims will still disbelieve them.

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They’re full of hate but they mouth love-love-love like a mantra

Suaram has accused Isma of hate speech. How convenient. How expedient.

Even Jakim has not been spared the baseless accusation – by human rights lawyer Eric Paulsen – that the Islamic Department’s Friday sermons promote extremism. Nope, it’s not true that khutbah Jumaat Jakim contain elements of extreme teaching.

If you must know, it is the DAP evangelistas who are extreme in their behaviour. It is Hannah Yeoh who is extreme when she threatened to make a report against anyone who spreads the rumour that she has converted to Islam – see, https://www.facebook.com/SinarHarian/posts/10152554048229883

Yet somehow the evangelistas – who dominate and control the media – have managed to manipulate public perception into casting the Taliban image on Muslims.

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Enough of the evangelista bullying!

These accusations by Suaram against Isma – that the vocal Muslim NGO is responsible for hate speech and without government action, “ethnic and religious hatred that may lead to civil conflict, destroying the multi-ethnic and multi-religious society of Malaysia” will ensue – is a clear instance of bullying by the aggressive, sneaky minority against the majority population.

Similarly, it is the pro-opposition network of NGOs that are the provocateurs and bullies.

Isma’s stance is that it is the evangelistas who are spreading hatred. Isma views the DAP as anti Islam, and also that it is the opposition movement that will spark the impending religious conflict if they don’t back off.

I am in agreement with Isma.

It would be wise of the evangelistas to learn some discretion and stop provoking the Muslim majority now. Continue with this endless biaDAP and be prepared for Isma’s counter strike.

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  • 1. Melayu Malaysia  |  June 27, 2015 at 5:41 am

    If ISMA or PERKASA were to field candidates in many Malay majority areas, they would give UMNO/BN and PAS a fright.

    Tired of Najib and the Bugis -led government behaving like a poodle… and we Malays felt letdown, side-stepped and only felt important comes election day…

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  • 2. RINA  |  June 27, 2015 at 6:29 am

    What Suaram says of others are actually what they are.
    Memang licik laju baling batu sembunyi tangan.

    Malays nonstop busy making money to support them and their families, depa takde kerja playing with racial and religious issues tak habis2. Go bring in some money for the nation la.

    These Suaram fellas, why can’t you people spend your time to work harder, contribute sikit la to the country. Nak mengharap golongan Melayu subsidise kamu sampai bila? Bayar cukai pun tak seberapa, melalak tak habis2. Belajar malu le sikit!

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  • 3. The Rithmatist  |  June 27, 2015 at 7:19 am

    I suppose that Isma can also shout from the rooftops that Malays in Malaysia do not need “protection”, do not need “special privileges”, do not need “crutches” and that they are perfectly capable of competing with other races on an equal footing….

    Yah, right.

    Isma is merely an apologist for all those who back away from equality and competition.

    Can Isma give us examples of ground-breaking technological advancements, innovations and world-class business enterprises that have been set up by the “protected” and the “specially privileged”? Let’s start with MAS and Proton, and go on from there.

    What the pinheads and yahoos in Isma don’t realise, or refuse to realise, is that Malaysia has to compete and pay its way in a globalised world. And that it can maybe bully ordinary Malaysians by invoking the spectre of blowbacks and push backs, but that such posturings and threats cut little ice with outsiders who are perfectly happy and capable of out-competing Malaysia in any area that you care to mention.

    And that is Isma’s greatest fear – that it will be shown up as a toothless “jaguh kampung” and as an “emperor without any clothes”, and to be cavalierly dismissed as being hopelessly irrelevant in the global scheme of things.

    My advice to the “young Turks” in Isma – grow up, study, get a job, start a business, realise that the world doesn’t owe you a living and go out and compete with the best of them.

    See, that wasn’t so hard, was it?

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    • 4. Helen Ang  |  June 27, 2015 at 10:48 am

      I don’t suppose you have any awareness of how patronizing you sound.

      re: “I suppose that Isma can also shout from the rooftops that Malays in Malaysia do not need ‘protection’, do not need ‘special privileges’, do not need ‘crutches’ and that they are perfectly capable of competing with other races on an equal footing….

      To refresh your history recall, the ‘protecting’ clause in the Constitution is Article 153 which provides for the quotas – that which you call “crutches”.

      If the Merdeka citizenships were not given away en masse to the non-Malays, there would not be any need for Art.153. Malaya would have been happy to remain a largely monoracial and mono-religious country.

      With the benefit of hindsight, we can glimpse the alternative trajectory, the ‘mono’ path which Onn Jaafar, Tunku and other Malay founding fathers did not take. Who is to say that the majority ethnic would not have been happier today if Tunku did not push to allow Chinese and Indians to become citizens?

      Tun suggested this be explored through an RCI. He said this in response to criticisms against granting the Suluks and other Muslims citizenship in Sabah through Project M.

      The Malay ‘Special Position’ was granted as a trade-off for allowing the non-Malays to become citizens at Independence.

      If you want to question Article 153, then the citizenship of the Chinese and Indians approved during Merdeka will come under question too.

      If you want to take away the Malay ‘Special Position’ now, then be prepared to reconsider the citizenship of the descendents of immigrants at the same time. Both came in the same package. Disturb one pillar and the foundation is stirred and shaken.

      Don’t forget that some of the Rohingya have been in Rakhine longer than the Chinese have been here. The Rohingya are today stateless. Their citizenship was taken away in 1982.

      And the Rohingya are hated by Myanmar’s ethnic-and-religious majority.

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      • 5. kampong lad  |  June 27, 2015 at 11:25 am

        art 153 and jus soli are two sides of the same coin. pada zaman tunku siapa jadi pengarah jabatan pendaftaran negara? ini selepas merdeka wor!. kenapa mesti ada ‘special position’? kerana satu pihak tidak tahu erti perkongsian, kalau boleh mahu sapu licin.

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        • 6. jentayu  |  June 27, 2015 at 12:44 pm

          I can only say this rithmatist is delusional. What he is parroting is what they always believe. Malay = crutches. They dont want to know the reason it was built that way.

          And the most hilarious reasoning is always about globalised world, having to compete with the best. Like the malays in isma was just born yesterday to know the world is round.

          And i think maybe this rithmatist is just a poseur after all. The current trends sees protectionism against globalisation as a popular move by many country in the midst of economic downturn.

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    • 7. RINA  |  June 27, 2015 at 1:00 pm

      Rithmatist,
      Either you are drunk or dreaming day and night (menghoyan)

      LHDN kena start going after tax evaders. Species ni asyik melalak they work so hard, gloat they are rich and whatnot, mana depa bawa pi duit depa semua eh?

      Individual tax payers hardly 1.7m olang?
      Impossible, hardly 15% of registered voters are tax payers?
      Voters list should be a good start. All their details are there.

      Apakah perlu kita layan kerenah oghang2 yang tau hidup macam parasites aje?

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    • 8. IT.Scheiss  |  June 27, 2015 at 5:26 pm

      “Can Isma give us examples of ground-breaking technological advancements, innovations and world-class business enterprises that have been set up by the “protected” and the “specially privileged”?”

      Unless you are not “The Rithmatist” whom I think you are, looking at the success stories on the website of the company which that “The Rithmatist” I believe I know founded, I see most of its clients are state and federal government bodies, government agencies and government linked companies.

      Forgive me if I am wrong but if that “The Rithmatist” whom I think you are includes the company he founded along with “Proton and MAS, and go on from there” (as you wrote), then it seem seems that the business and IT media must have been writing rubbish about that “The Rithmatist’s” company being a shining example of a world class Bumiputra success story.

      On the other hand if you are not “The Rithmatist” whom I think you are but just a fan of Brandon Sanderson novels who also just happened by coincidence to have also been present at the launch of MSC Malaysia, then once again my humble apologies over the mistaken identity.

      http://brandonsanderson.com/books/the-rithmatist/the-rithmatist/

      Further down you wrote:-

      “What the pinheads and yahoos in Isma don’t realise, or refuse to realise, is that Malaysia has to compete and pay its way in a globalised world.”

      The term “globalisation” came into popular lexicon after the founding of the World Trade Organisation was established in 1994 and it is just a more palatable sounding term for neo-colonialism which demands countries open their borders and allow the sale of their key national industries and assets to companies from the imperialist countries.

      The vary fact that countries like Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam, China and others in the region are rising economically is because the footloose foreign investors moved their production and assembly plants to these lower wage countries.

      Malaysians were then told that our labour “productivity” was falling below that in those countries, which would be true if productivity is defined as output per U.S. dollar.

      However, I understand productivity to mean output per unit time and according to those terms, I cannot see how and why Malaysian productivity could be falling below that of our neighbours, unless it was a blatant lie.

      Then we were told that we had to “move up the value chain” to more knowledge-intensive activities to be able to survive economically, which is just another way of saying that we must move up a notch from being industrial prostitutes to intellectual prostitutes for foreign investors to exploit for their profit.

      An Indian senior manager with an Indian IT company in India described IT workers in India as “intellectual coolies” which may sound very pompous but objectively is quite true, since how different is their role towards foreign investors as manual coolies.

      However, as long as developing nations like Malaysia open their legs and compete at the lowest bid to foreign investors for economic survival, then as always, as rentals, the cost of living, hence the cost of labour and the cost of doing business inevitably rise, at some point foreign investors will just move shop to our neighbouring countries once there are enough intellectual coolies in those countries who are of equal or better capability to Malaysia’s.

      So this “move up the value chain” mantra is all about endlessly running like hamsters on a treadmill just to stay afloat.

      I’d sooner start a satay or a char koay teow stall rather than go nowhere by running on a treadmill like a hamster or continuously run up the down escalator.

      Singapore too has seen loss of its production and assembly jobs to lower wage countries and has had to retrain former production workers as croupiers in casinos – i.e. a services industry.

      Anyway, this “globalisation” and “borderless world” rhetoric is wearing thin as more people realise that it is just another form of neo-colonialism, whilst workers in the imperialist heartlands increasingly realise that it was just a capitalist ploy to undermine their collective bargaining power and economic interests.

      That is not to say that no Malaysian start up companies have benefited from open borders but do you honestly believe that if hypothetically, say Marc Zuckerberg was a student in Malaysia, would he have been able to obtain the same amount of venture funding and have as big a market as he did in the United States?

      If Albert Einstein had fled Nazi persecution and come to Malaya instead of the United States and had joined a hypothetical Malayan university at the time, would he ave been able to obtain the funding to conduct the kinds of research he did which propelled him to be the legendary theoretical physicist which he is today?

      Speaking to a Malaysian musician in 1994, I asked why he could not promote his music overseas and he told me that the western record companies did not see much market potential Malaysian musicians.

      Looking around the music stores at time, I saw CDs by little known western musicians on the shelves.

      Back in the 1980s, when I was a computer service engineer, I learned of a policy amongst some American multinationals in Malaysia to buy American products first and only buy products from other countries if they there were no equivalent American products here.

      Russia Today reported on the 25th of June, 2015 that Arizona senator John McCain’s wants to end United States’ use of the Russian made RD-180 rocket engine.

      http://rt.com/usa/269773-mccain-russian-rocket-engines/

      Given all that, do you still believe in that rhetorical bullshit you were fed about globalisation which the imperialists, their spin doctors, business consultants, even government ministers, management consultants, deluded journalists or outright journo-prostitutes touted?

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      • 9. Kineas  |  June 28, 2015 at 7:14 am

        Oh, really?

        I suppose that it was fated that companies such as Apple, Facebook, Google, IBM, Microsoft, Boeing, GE etc started up in the US instead of Malaysia or some place else in Asia?

        Can you list the Malaysian ICT companies that have been successful globally and how many of these were set up by bumiputras?

        Since you claim to be a veteran in the Malaysian ICT industry, you will no doubt be familiar about what happened to Lityan Systems Bhd and how it was rescued?

        You may rail about globalisation, but that doesn’t seem to deter Malaysia and other countries from buying Apple products, defence systems and aircraft from Boeing or power turbines from GE.

        So, what are you yammering on about here?

        The Rithmatist raised several points in his or her posts? Have you been able to debunk or refute any one of them?

        Oh, btw, it looks like the TPP may be coming to fruition? Is Malaysia going to pull out if the TPP comes into being? Or will the government acknowledge that there are bigger concerns than worrying about protecting Malaysian companies or government procurements?

        And another thing – I don’t see any evidence that regional and global supply chains are heading for a demise any time soon.

        Note to MIDA and Miti – stop chasing after MNCs to set up shop in Malaysia. Because we can do without the competition.

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        • 10. islam1st  |  June 28, 2015 at 9:55 am

          ‘but that doesn’t seem to deter Malaysia and other countries from buying Apple products, defence systems and aircraft from Boeing or power turbines from GE.’

          Apa masalahnya? ‘So, what are you yammering on about here?’

          ‘Note to MIDA and Miti – stop chasing after MNCs to set up shop in Malaysia. Because we can do without the competition.’

          The whole country must listen to the ‘capitalist’ in you, isn’t it? Long live Kineas!

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        • 11. IT.Scheiss  |  June 28, 2015 at 10:21 pm

          “You may rail about globalisation, but that doesn’t seem to deter Malaysia and other countries from buying Apple products, defence systems and aircraft from Boeing or power turbines from GE.”

          “So, what are you yammering on about here?”

          That’s what imperialist globalisation is all about – i.e. get us hooked on their products and our local industries unable to compete against their global financial and marketing power.

          “Can you list the Malaysian ICT companies that have been successful globally and how many of these were set up by bumiputras?”

          Quite a number of MSC status companies, some Bumiputra owned have ventured into regional and international markets though nothing on the global scale as Google, Facebook, IBM, Microsoft or the other western multinationals.

          A Bumiputra ICT company called Xybase Sdn. Bhd. has provided airport management systems to US airports.

          http://www.xybase.com/web/guest/home

          http://www.xybase.com/web/guest/airport-airline1

          There also are non-Bumiputra ICT companies which have ventured regionally and internationally as well,with a range of products such as RFID, the Internet of Things, telecommunicatons, multimedia and so forth, once again, nothing on the scale of ICT multinationals.

          “Oh, btw, it looks like the TPP may be coming to fruition? Is Malaysia going to pull out if the TPP comes into being? Or will the government acknowledge that there are bigger concerns than worrying about protecting Malaysian companies or government procurements?”

          The effects of the TPP will result in Malaysia being thrown back to the colonial days when Malaysians could look forward to working for some British owned company for a living.

          If you are proud of being a coolie for a foreign multinational, then be my guest.

          And if you fancy paying more for foreign patented medicines instead of cheaper locally produced generic medicines or if you love paying premium prices for original software produced by foreign multinationals, then be my guest.

          BTW. The TPP may be killed off by people in the west itself as there is rising popular opposition to it in their own countries.

          Here are some examples.

          http://www.citizen.org/TPP

          https://act.eff.org/action/speak-out-against-the-trans-pacific-partnership-agreement

          http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/28976-five-reasons-congress-should-oppose-the-tpp

          https://www.stopfasttrack.com/

          http://www.citizenstrade.org/ctc/

          TPP On The Fast Track To Failure As Opposition To The Bill Remains United
          http://www.politicususa.com/2015/05/11/tpp-fast-track-failure-opposition-bill-remains-united.html

          Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders opposes the TPP.
          http://www.sanders.senate.gov/stop-the-tpp

          Why labor unions oppose the Trans-Pacific Partnership
          http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/labor-unions-oppose-trans-pacific-partnership/

          There are many more which I won’t list here.

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    • 12. islam1st  |  June 28, 2015 at 9:45 am

      “jaguh kampung”

      Rithmatist the ‘babi hutan masuk kampung’!

      ‘My advice to the “young Turks” in Isma – grow up, study, get a job, start a business, realise that the world doesn’t owe you a living and go out and compete with the best of them.

      See, that wasn’t so hard, was it?’

      No thanks. The stupid Melayus prefer the Cinas to do it for them instead. Just keep paying your taxes betul2 la this time…boleh?

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      • 13. The Rithmatist  |  June 29, 2015 at 7:01 am

        Heh, heh – “stupid Melayus”! Is that a Freudian slip or what? Are you acknowledging such “stupidity” or is it a flight of your rhetorical excesses and overheated imagination?

        It is interesting that you mention “taxes”.

        Aren’t the tax authorities doing their job efficiently, without fear or favour?

        Dude – every time you post something, you just keep putting your foot in it.

        It can’t be that “stupidity” that you mentioned, surely?

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        • 14. islam1st  |  June 30, 2015 at 2:35 am

          ‘Heh, heh – “stupid Melayus”!’

          As long as you are happy. Singapore is so small hoh?!

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  • 15. wawe  |  June 27, 2015 at 10:11 am

    I could see the turning point now, where the young ones are coming back to their senses in which their voice is not as loud as before in opposing everything against the establishment, at least among the youngsters around me. So, politicians, the cyber-bullying is no more a fad.

    The youngsters have come back to the ground, not so much in cyberspace anymore. Or, may be only jinxed ones, which cannot be helped.

    One thing the ‘bullies’ do not understand about the ‘mims’, we are usually not the type who voice up, except those pr supporters, who dwell in continuous politicking, even during funerals. Most of us will just act.

    On one occasion, during a meeting attended by about a hundred, someone from the minority group, confidently put forward her ideal about, collecting donations through concerts. One might fume at her blatant insensitive words. But non from the majority commented anything.

    After the ordeal, I asked a colleague, why didn’t anyone rebut the provocative insinuation. The answer was simple, “let her ramble, we were not listening. we are going to do it our way, not her way”.

    Bravo! Voila! All these ramblings by the ‘deceits’ will just go to waste.

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    • 16. IT.Scheiss  |  June 27, 2015 at 6:17 pm

      “The youngsters have come back to the ground, not so much in cyberspace anymore. Or, may be only jinxed ones, which cannot be helped.”

      Thanks. That made my day, Wawe and it is great that the younger generation are giving being more realistic and smelling the real flowers than sticking their faces in Cyberspace on their PCs, tablets or smartphones all day.

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  • 17. Survivor  |  June 27, 2015 at 10:12 am

    She should change her name to Hannah York. She is no Chinese, just a person with a Chinese face and name. Other than that she is white personified. All white and nothing in between.

    Please Helen. Stop referring her as Hannah Yeoh 楊巧雙. She can’t even write 楊 her family name. She is an insult to the Chinese and no Chinese persons with a sound mind, me for instance, would want to have anything to do with her. That’s right. You heard it here. I m Chinese.

    So please. Do us a favor. Refer to her as Hannah York.

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  • 18. Mulan Malaysia  |  June 27, 2015 at 10:24 am

    “Suaram, in its 2014 Human Rights Report of Malaysia launched on Wednesday (June 24), highlighted “six worrying trends” over the last year that the staunchly opposition NGO wants our government and the general public to stem.”

    What about groups who claim to be religious especially the Evangelista sermons. The Take Johor for Jesus is still fresh is our minds. The organisers want to “chase away the enemy”. Who is the enemy?
    http://www.ismaweb.net/2015/06/video-johor-for-jesus-take-possession-of-the-land-johor-bahru/
    Imagine the same kind of sermon is used in a Muslim khutbah. You will get tons of condemnation of “radical”, “terrorist” and “Islamist”.

    Are Malays divided? I think not. Before the Langkah Kajang it was Pakistan Malays (mostly PAS) versus UMNO. (Today both are considered the enemy but the Pakistan supporters.) Before 2008, the Chinese were opposition or BN supporters but since 2008, the Chinese are almost all DAP supporters.

    If there were a snap GE, I would predict predominantly Chinese state like Penang will remain the DAP and MCA and Gerakan will be shunned. However don’t expect Malay states to be full of PASMA or Melayu DAP candidates. This is a Chinese dream. After all the insults hurled at UMNO and now the other Malay party PAS, do you think the Malays will support DAP Malays or PASMA?

    Earlier I brought up BBCD. One commenter said that these people are “kayak di bawah tempurung”. I don’t think BBCD like ISMA would disappear. First the Maximo – Gardenia saga, then the White Coffee saga, and this year the GST saboteurs saga, the Malay consumer would be force to reckon with. If the Malays realise that buying Malay would guarantee halal and any purchase from the Chinese is of last resort, Chinese businesses are of the losing end. One retailer in Gurney Plaza Penang told me that they hardly replenish their stock since April. She told me even with the School Holidays sales are down dramatically as compared to previous years. She hope Raya would help. I wouldn’t hold my breath.

    “Haters gonna hate”.- Yes. It is now to the point of no return.
    One tip to ISMA. If ISMA leaders could run as independents, I bet these people would be a force to reckon with in politics.

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    • 19. Helen Ang  |  June 27, 2015 at 10:58 am

      re: “Before the Langkah Kajang it was Pakistan Malays (mostly PAS) versus UMNO. (Today both are considered the enemy but the Pakistan supporters.)”

      Err, you mean ‘Pakatan’. Is anything happening on the world news to put Pakistan in your mind?

      re: “Take Johor for Jesus / Imagine the same kind of sermon is used in a Muslim khutbah. You will get tons of condemnation of ‘radical’, ‘terrorist’ and ‘Islamist’.”

      Correct.

      It is the evangelistas who are guilty of hate speech, extreme provocation and potentially on the verge of sparking a religious conflict. That Suaram fails to pinpoint them as a main culprit threatening our social stability just goes to show how one-sided and biased the activists in Suaram are.

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      • 20. Survivor  |  June 27, 2015 at 11:03 am

        Of course they are guilty of all this hate speech. But it also shows how gullible they are. They are also the ones buying into all these hate. The holy juice must be really some dope.

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      • 21. Mulan Malaysia  |  June 27, 2015 at 4:07 pm

        Sorry. Not the Pakistanis.

        Did you notice the anti Islam remarks are most during Puasa, a bit before or just after? Remember BKT, the tweet about the Azan on Raya etc?

        I believe this the modus operandi of the evagenlistas. During Puasa one is suppose to stand hunger and thirst and to refrain from getting angry. So what do this people do? Make Muslims angry with their antics. The next thing, they will call Muslims as emotional, irrational etc. Muslims react and their evangelista fan club will come to the defence of the evangelists.

        Remember the organic vegetarian BKT?

        Now back to Pakatan 2.0. I predict a bigger UMNO and PAS after PASMA and G18 crumble in the hands of voters. The DAP Malays too will not get any support if they contest in a Malay area. Then these people will leave and end up in UMNO or PAS.

        Remember Semangat 46. At the end Semangat 46 members end up in UMNO Baru… the very party they dislike. History does like to reboot itself.

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  • 22. wawe  |  June 27, 2015 at 10:27 am

    Empty cans make the most noise. Voila dapsters!

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  • 23. Jeff  |  June 27, 2015 at 12:24 pm

    “Isma’s stance is that it is the evangelistas who are spreading hatred.”

    Aren’t these the clowns who publicly chastised the poor Malay girls for hugging the K-pop members, and then subsequently questioned whether the K in K-pop stood for “Kristian”? How could you possibly respect or take seriously the views of such fanatical loons? Sometimes you disappoint me, Helen.

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    • 24. Helen Ang  |  June 27, 2015 at 1:00 pm

      re: “Aren’t these the clowns who publicly chastised the poor Malay girls for hugging the K-pop members”

      Isma is, in my view, conservative. However Malay society itself has become more conservative / is becoming more and more conservative, at least in terms of dress and public contact (like hugging popstars). This is the reality of Malaysia. I’m afraid there’s no dialing back or to put it another way, I don’t see the possibility of more social liberalism in our immediate future.

      Meanwhile in the world news, it is reported that gay marriage has become legal in the USA. This development may not sit well with American Bible Belt. But that’s the way their country is headed nonetheless. So let’s all be realistic about the social norm in our respective countries. In Malaysia, the conservative-minded are the strong, silent majority. Live with it.

      re: “and then subsequently questioned whether the K in K-pop stood for ‘Kristian’?”

      Just a rhetorical device in their argumentative arsenal, lah.

      re: “How could you possibly respect or take seriously the views of such fanatical loons?”

      I’ve said in earlier postings that Isma is the “game changer” politically. And yes I do take seriously Isma’s influence. Furthermore, Isma has displayed a clarity of purpose and moral leadership that’s patently missing in Umno.

      I do not think they’ve displayed fanaticism. They’re just adamant and don’t look to be swayed by attacks and unfair, unfounded criticisms.

      In fact, I’m also going to add that the Isma people are handling themselves very well. They don’t use expletives or bad language, and they’ve managed to keep their cool under the most arduous onslaught. Their bearing is measured and I’m willing to bet that Isma inspires more confidence among the fence sitters than do Umno or PAS or PKR.

      re: “Sometimes you disappoint me, Helen.”

      I walk the difficult path of telling the truth. It’s really much easier to sing kumbayah and hit other pleasant notes that sedapkan telinga pendengar but I don’t choose to do that.

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      • 25. IT.Scheiss  |  June 27, 2015 at 2:51 pm

        I like the way you can see issues in terms of realpolitic within Malaysia and not according to personally held ideals.

        Yes, you are right about the Malays having become more conservative both ethnically and religiously over the past couple of decades or more.

        This, I would say is largely due to the rise of Islam worldwide and western imperialist wars and aggression against Muslim nations, in the Middle East and Afghanistan, coupled with worsening economic conditions, rising prices and lack of opportunity at home.

        Back in the 1970s there were secular nationalists like Nasser, Yasser Arafat, George Habbash, Ghadaffi, Saddam Hussein and others coupled with the presence of a counter pole such the Soviet Union for Muslims to look towards as examples and for protection but now there is mostly Islam to turn to.

        For example, the bombing of Libya by western imperialism and the assassination of Ghadaffi by western imperialist rebels has not only contributed to continuing instability but also to the rise of the Islamic fundamentalists.

        This Jacobinmag article show how U.S. and western imperialism use Islamic fundamentalists when it suits them and attacks them when they no longer suit them.

        “In the 1950s there was a problem for the United States called Gamal Abdel Nasser, whose resolute independence was unacceptable. The new leader of Egypt was such a threat that Secretary of State John Foster Dulles took Eisenhower’s statement that “the Nasser problem could be eliminated” to be an assassination order.”

        “To try to weaken Nasser, the US wooed the Muslim Brotherhood despite — or rather, because of — its record of terrorism and violence against the state. Americans also saw anti-communist potential in its religiosity. “Either we shall walk the path of Islam or we shall walk the path of Communism,” wrote Sayyid Qutb, the group’s chief theoretician.”

        https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/01/united-states-saudi-arabia-isis/

        So unless there is a dramatic or a radical change in the world political and economic situation, as well as the domestic one, I do not see a swing back towards greater secularism and less conservatism any time soon.

        Perhaps it may even take a nuclear World War III in which the predatory and oppressive imperialist powers are destroyed before such changes can begin to occur.

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        • 26. Kineas  |  June 28, 2015 at 7:24 am

          So that gives the US and the West to seek out and confront “militant Islam” or “Islamic militants” with little regard for national sovereignty?

          It appears that China itself isn’t very sympathetic towards Islamic militants. There have been reports about what is happening in Xinjang about fasting during Ramadan and the wearing of the headscarf. Has anyone called China to account over this alleged discrimination?

          “predatory and oppressive imperialist powers”, my foot. You will be begging those same powers to come to your aid when the regional waters turn choppy.

          Ah, the sense of powerlessness when China and the US do deals over everybody else’s heads.

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          • 27. islam1st  |  June 28, 2015 at 10:15 am

            So the Rithmatist dapat paranoia dia daripada kau ler? Mana datang geng, Sekolah Demokrasi ke Penang Institute? Uncanny la Kineas!

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            • 28. The Rithmatist  |  June 29, 2015 at 6:43 am

              Such brave comments.

              Why don’t you go and confront China about it’s treatment of the Muslim Uighurs?

              What’s the matter, brudder? Too scared to take on China? That’s truly jaguh kampung, don’t you think?

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              • 29. islam1st  |  June 30, 2015 at 2:42 am

                ‘Why don’t you go and confront China about it’s treatment of the Muslim Uighurs?’

                Apasal pulak? Aku bukan gilababi macam kau! Tak pasal-pasal yang kau nak ‘aku’ jadi meroyan tak tentu arah nak ‘take on China’?

                Rithmatist sekali-sekala, senyap dan dengar apa yang kau cakap. Moga-moga boleh pandai sikit!

                ‘What’s the matter, brudder? Too scared to take on China? That’s truly jaguh kampung, don’t you think?’

                Ya lor Melayu maa, truly jaguh kampung lar, what to do? Not so clever oso. English oso not England enough maa. Cinas are jaguh dunia what! Take it all. Apasal yang butt hurt sangat ni brader? Indonesia tak bagi kau masuk Batam ke?

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          • 30. IT.Scheiss  |  June 28, 2015 at 10:40 pm

            Here it is from American insiders.

            “U.S. General: West Created ISIS”
            http://americanfreepress.net/?p=23265

            “Declassified Pentagon Report: US Created ISIL as Tool Against Assad”
            http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/06/02/declassified-pentagon-report-us-created-isil-as-tool-against-assad/

            “However, the US goal in the region was never “stability” and surely not “moderation.” As early as 2007, sources within the Pentagon and across the US intelligence community revealed a conspiracy to drown the Middle East in sectarian war, and to do so by arming and funding extremist groups including the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda itself. Published in 2007 – a full 4 years before the 2011 “Arab Spring” would begin”
            http://www.politisite.com/2014/06/22/isis-isil-made-usa-cia/

            And there’s plenty more of such reports.

            Basically, U.S. imperialism is playing a two-faced game of seeming to oppose the likes of ISIS whilst funding them, all in the name of creating an enemy to serve its geo-strategic objectives.

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            • 31. Helen Ang  |  June 28, 2015 at 10:48 pm

              re: “Basically, U.S. imperialism is playing a two-faced game of seeming to oppose the likes of ISIS whilst funding them”

              Sounds like the DAP’s two-faced game of giving small donations to mosques and suraus.

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            • 33. islam1st  |  June 28, 2015 at 10:53 pm

              ‘And there’s plenty more of such reports.’

              These DAP goons tak baca ke Helen??

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              • 34. Helen Ang  |  June 28, 2015 at 11:01 pm

                They’re pissed drunk on J-Juice. Which makes them a public nuisance.

                The worst kind of people or the most weak-minded (bodoh sombong) are ensnared into the Jerusubang cult.

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            • 35. The Rithmatist  |  June 29, 2015 at 6:52 am

              Welcome to realpolitik!

              Like if China and the US do deals over everybody else’s heads, what are you going to do about it?

              If the US and West target Islamic militants anywhere and everywhere, are you going to protest that national sovereignties have been infringed?

              Like the US operating drones over Pakistan and Afghanistan – there isn’t anything that the Pakistan or Afghanistan governments can do except to issue proforma protests.

              You can trot out all the reports that you want. It doesn’t change the bottom line – that countries like China and the US, and soon India and Russia, will do whatever they deem necessary in their national interests. The UN Security Council notwithstanding.

              So, who is being delusional here?

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              • 36. IT.Scheiss  |  June 30, 2015 at 12:53 am

                So it seems that might is right in your book – yield of the big powers and let them walk over us with impunity.

                Ho Chi Minh did not, the Afghans did not even though they were invaded and bombed, rocketed, napalmed, the Iraqis did not too even though they were invaded and occupied, Greece is showing defiance to the EU and the financial troika.

                At the end of the day, their fighting spirit drove the U.S. imperialists out or fought them to a stalemate despite great cost to them in blood and treasure.

                And for TTIP lovers, here is an analysis by Jeronim Capaldo.

                http://ase.tufts.edu/gdae/Pubs/wp/14-03CapaldoTTIP.pdf

                Once organised labour in those countries finally stirs and turns against the TTIP and take industrial action, the opposition to it will go far beyond mere chants in a peaceful demonstration, and the proverbial worm is turning in Britain and other western countries. For example:-

                “Rail, Maritime and Transport members halted ferry sailings to over 20 islands on the west coast of Scotland with an overtime ban and one day strike on 26 June. The root cause of the action is the threat to wages, standards and jobs arising from an EU-enforced privatisation process.”

                http://www.cpbml.org.uk/news/rmt-support-solid-scottish-ferry-dispute

                “Transport union RMT voted yesterday at its Annual General Meeting in Newcastle to campaign against continued membership of the EU in the promised referendum. The vote re-affirms the union’s longstanding opposition to the European Union.”

                “The vote is in stark contrast to the supine position of the TUC, which in its briefing to MPs on 9 June could only urge that they support extending the right to vote in the referendum to “EU citizens living in the UK”!”

                http://www.cpbml.org.uk/news/rmt-campaign-against-eu-referendum-0

                You won’t read those kinds of reports in the mainstream or alternative media whether Malaysian or western.

                With regards the domestic scene in Malaysia where democratic elections is still the route to political power, coupled with the division of electoral boundaries which favours rural voters, fair or otherwise to urban constituencies the fact of the matter is that the rural voters who are mostly Malay Muslims have more say in terms of parliamentary and state seats and if their sentiments tend to be conservative, then it would be wise to avoid antagonising them unnecessarily, whether we liberal, educated urbanites agree with them or not.

                I understand where Helen is coming from in her criticism of some Chinese supporters of DAP, some leading DAP politicians and some Christians who come out with statements and actions which can potentially antagonise the conservative Muslims.

                Apart from intensifying resentment which could eventually result in a nasty backlash which would hurt all Chinese and all Christians, whether or not they are responsible for provoking such antagonism and it could also drive such voters towards more radical Islam or towards more conservative groups like Perkasa and ISMA, especially now when they face heavier economic burdens and uncertainties due to rising prices and so forth.

                People like Alvin and Vivien do all Chinese a disservice by their juvenile actions such as their “bak kut teh” stunt, since it provokes resentment towards all Chinese and not just them.

                I came across a You Tube video where leftist journalist John Pilger spoke at a Marxism event in Australia, where he ended his long speech by urging them not to condemn people in third world countries under attack by imperialism for holding conservative views on issues such as LGBT rights and same sex marriage to the extent that they end up supporting the imperialists in the belief that the imperialist will bring “freedom” and “democracy” people by attacking and invading these countries.

                Pilger himself supports same sex marriage and LGBT freedoms but at the same time having worked amongst people in those countries, he knows that it will take a long time, perhaps generations for them to become more tolerant so until then he focuses on opposing the real enemies of those people – i.e. the imperialists.

                Being western educated, liberal urbanite like you, I once assumed that all Malaysian share my perspectives on matters of democracy, free speech, free press and so forth but later realised that I was only seeing all Malaysians through my own lens and that of my liberal, urbanite cohorts and yes Pilger is right on this count.

                Unless you want a dictatorship which suppresses such conservatives and conservatism and defends liberalism by force, one must be sensitive to the majority’s feelings and stick to defending one’s own community’s rights, whilst not infringing on or antagonising those of the majority.

                Or to put it another way, it’s best not to poke a hornet’s nest, lest they turn one’s community and sting its members badly.

                In such situation, it’s best to leave them alone unless they turn on other communities and deny them their rights, in which case it’s justified for those communities to resist, but otherwise it’s best not to go asking for trouble.

                Instead of calling ISMA and Perkasa names, and belittling your fellow Malays who turned towards them for whatever reason, what is your solution to win the more conservative Malays away from such groups especially by helping your fellow Malays and other Malaysians become more economically secure?

                That of course is assuming you are “The Rithmatist” whom I believe you are and once again pardon me if you are a different “The Rithmatist”.

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              • 37. islam1st  |  June 30, 2015 at 2:46 am

                ‘If the US and West target Islamic militants anywhere and everywhere, are you going to protest that national sovereignties have been infringed?’

                No. There’s nothing we can do already. Thanks to you and your kakis! Be proud Rithmatist. Be proud. I’m sure they’ll spare you and familia, at the very least!

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        • 38. islam1st  |  June 28, 2015 at 10:12 am

          ‘the US wooed the Muslim Brotherhood’

          They did that again with the ‘Arab Spring’, giving false hope to the Egyptians (and the rest of the world) only to give them Gen. Asisi at the end.

          What ‘Arab Spring’ again? And the ABU crowds works so hard to emulate the Gene Sharp M.O to no success. Thanks be to Allah.

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          • 39. The Rithmatist  |  June 29, 2015 at 6:54 am

            I thought that it was the secular-minded Egyptians and the Egyptian Army that were/are opposed to the Muslim Brotherhood’s attempts to introduce strict Islamic laws in Egypt?

            Go reread the reports in the Egyptian media.

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            • 40. IT.Scheiss  |  June 30, 2015 at 12:57 am

              Go back further and you will see how the west plays both sides for its own agenda.

              “Context of ‘1954-1970: CIA and the Muslim Brotherhood Ally to Oppose Egyptian President Nasser’

              http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islamic_militancy_202700

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            • 41. islam1st  |  June 30, 2015 at 2:54 am

              ‘I thought that it was the secular-minded Egyptians and the Egyptian Army that were/are opposed to the Muslim Brotherhood’s attempts to introduce strict Islamic laws in Egypt?’

              I don’t have time to help bodoh sombong people Rithmatist. Either you get it or you don’t. I won’t help. It is you that needed to do some reading. Not me.

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          • 42. IT.Scheiss  |  June 30, 2015 at 1:14 am

            “What ‘Arab Spring’ again? And the ABU crowds works so hard to emulate the Gene Sharp M.O to no success. Thanks be to Allah.”

            The “Arab Spring” in Tunisia and Egypt were fuelled by harsh economic conditions and high unemployment and was preceded by a series of localised industrial actions which were not reported by the mainstream or alternative media.

            Our local cut and paste, romantic Gene Sharp wannabes seemed to think that a “Malaysian Spring” would follow just because of allegedly “unfair” electoral practices by the Elections Commission when economic conditions were still relatively OK in Malaysia.

            They seem to have bought into the media crap and believed that they could bring about a “Malaysian Spring” through Twitter, Facebook, their iPhones and Android tablets when economic and political conditions in Malaysia were not ripe for that.

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  • 43. IT.Scheiss  |  June 27, 2015 at 2:12 pm

    It would be interesting to read the actual Suaram report and not just a summary by its executive director since the full report would provide the full picture of what Suaram actually says.

    Going by the summary published on Suaram’s website, I would say it one-sidedly singles out ISMA and Perkasa whilst remaining silent about others who have wittingly or unwittingly contributed to widening racial and religious divisions and antagonisms through their public statements.

    Looking at ISMA’s website, I don’t see anything which is overtly antagonistic to other races or religions, except perhaps for this warning to Muslims.

    “Khutbah Jumaat nasihat umat Islam waspada ancaman Kristian”

    http://www.ismaweb.net/2015/06/khutbah-jumaat-nasihat-umat-islam-waspada-ancaman-kristian/

    Can’t find anything overtly antagonistic or provocative on Perkasa’s website either, except concerns to protect Islam and the special position of the Malays.

    http://pribumiperkasa.org/

    That said, racial and religious sentiments are rising and the ongoing insensitive racial and religious statements online and offline has contributed towards that in no small way.

    The rest of Suaram’s summary of its report is the usual standard fare including reference to the UN Declaration of Human Rights, etc., when the majority of the public have bigger concerns over the rising cost of living, unemployment and so forth.

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    • 44. Helen Ang  |  June 27, 2015 at 4:30 pm

      Yeah, I was looking for Suaram’s full report online but can’t find it either. They want us to buy the book.

      Reply

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