Haters gonna hate and no one does it better than the evangelical Christians who are hardcore opposition supporters. They’re pointing the finger of blame at Umno for the Low Yat riot.
This morning’s Top Story in Malaysiakini was headlined ‘Umno’s race-baiting root of Low Yat fracas‘.
Ia salah Umno dulu, kini dan selamanya
Below are some passages from the article ‘Umno’s race-baiting root of Low Yat fracas’.
An accusation is made against Umno that “your regime had actually encouraged these poor, ignorant, uneducated and jobless mobs to be easily aroused by the same bigots whom you refused to take action on” (screenshot below).
So while the J-Star Christian reporter calls them “thugs“, the Malaysiakini readers call them “uneducated mob”.
This “ignorant mob” is alleged to be easily aroused by the bigots. These bigots – the usual suspects in the Jerusubang Book of Reckoning on who is Good and who is Wicked – are named below.
In the article ‘Umno’s race-baiting root of Low Yat fracas’, Malaysiakini linked the 3-minute video above. It shows the mob shouting “Allahuakbar” while beating up the Chinese driver and passenger and trashing their car.
SIDE NOTE: MCA Religious Harmony Bureau chairman Ti Lian Ker commented on the video – “which has been making its rounds on the Internet, depicting a mob bashing a boy while shouting God is great” – in a statement released yesterday – see Sean Augustine’s article in The Rakyat Post headlined ‘It’s sinful to use God’s name and act violently’.
The DAP top leaders have commented on it as well.
Op-ed writer Eddie Hoo also commented yesterday on the video below, saying its visuals are “powerful enough to strike fear in any peace-loving Malaysian“. See his piece in The Heat news portal titled ‘Truth, lies and the Internet‘.
Apart from being viraled on social media, this video has been viewed more than 88,000 times already at the China Press embed/upload alone. (China Press has a readership of over one million and is the most popular Chinese newspaper in the Klang Valley.)
Screenshot below from ‘Umno’s race-baiting root of Low Yat fracas‘ (Malaysiakini, 15 July 2015) showing where the news portal had linked the car-stomping video.
“Uneducated and jobless mobs easily aroused by the bigots”
A list of the “bigots” (seen as bigots in the eyes of the opposition supporters) is found in the article ‘Low Yat shows racial ties still fragile‘, also in Malaysiakini today. Drum roll please for …
- Umno
- Pekida
- BTN
- Perkasa
- Isma
- Ridhuan Tee
BELOW: “BTN is destructive” and divisive! – Hannah Yeoh
Click to enlarge
Excerpt, comment by ‘Appum’ @ http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/305191
“But it is very sad to see this country mismanaged by Umno for 57 years, sowing race and religious hatred by encouraging extremist groups like Perkida, BTN, Perkasa, Isma, Ridhuan Tee Abdullah, by giving them the kid glove treatment.” (screenshot above)
Umno blamed again and again by Hannah’s evangelista gang
Below is a letter to the Malaysiakini editor written by staunch Christian Yee Siew Meng (Hannah Yeoh’s BFF). Yee’s letter yesterday is headlined ‘We must not give in to fear‘.
Excerpts:
Allegation of “political monsters” having a hand in “race eruptions”
Yee wrote: “As it was in May 13 and so it is in every other race eruptions in Malaysia we see the hand of these political monsters who wish to see a divided Malaysia along the same lines as their political coalition.”
Accusation that Low Yat riot was “instigated by certain quarters”
Yee wrote: “Here is the ‘truth’ about May 13, ambitious ‘young turks’ who allegedly orchestrated the riots and incited race tensions: Last weeks eruption at LowYat Plaza was also instigated by certain quarters.”
Accusation that it was **** that incited the Malay youths to riot
Yee wrote: “There is no racial riot to fear, there is only a desperate political party inciting young, disenfranchised Malay youths to riot. Many of them are members of Malay NGOs called up at any time to work like they did last weekend. The sad thing is that they would incite Malays to resort to such violence in the holy month of Ramadan.”
From the evidence above, it is quite clear who the haters, instigators and inciters really are. It’s the evangelical Christians.
Helen Ang 
Helen,
What can we expect from DAP. It thrives on “fitnah”.
What Najib can do with it. Haul them to the court of law. The evidence is very clear that UMNO is slandered here.
many times I told off my Chinese friends that UMNO is not racist. I told them that had UMNO been racist, Chinese would have suffered worst than Muslims in Bosnia.
They all were taken aback. They were “taken aback” because I as a Malay is willing to argue with them confidently. And they were not able to answer back as I was telling the truth.
My point is that Najib or UMNO must act. Act by bringing those slandering to justice. Act by telling of chinese that DAP is known for lying. Tell them that.
The incident on Low Yat should serve as an opportunity for UMNO to chalenge DAP’s manipulation.
WHY NONE OF UMNO MINISTERS WILLING TO SAY WHAT I SAID.
Susah sangat ka
re: “What can we expect from DAP. It thrives on ‘fitnah’.”
Say ‘evangelistas’ is more accurate. This tribe can be found in PKR too.
re: “The evidence is very clear that UMNO is slandered here.”
Umno dah lali.
re: “many times I told off my Chinese friends that UMNO is not racist. I told them that had UMNO been racist, Chinese would have suffered worst than Muslims in Bosnia.”
Or the Rohingya in Myanmar.
re: “My point is that Najib or UMNO must act. Act by bringing those slandering to justice.”
Start with TMI. So many Umno cabinet ministers have complained that they were slandered by the portal.
re: “Act by telling Chinese that DAP is known for lying.”
It’s the DAP evangelistas. Stress ‘evangelistas’. Operative word, ‘evangelistas’. Before Hannah and her lot were swept into power in 2008, we did not have religious and racial tensions at this level.
re: “The incident on Low Yat should serve as an opportunity for UMNO to challenge DAP’s manipulation.”
The evangelistas’ manipulation.
re: “WHY NONE OF UMNO MINISTERS WILLING TO SAY WHAT I SAID.”
Maybe more of them want to take in Dapsters as their press secretaries also.
re: “Susah sangat ka”
Ya.
Helen,
Maybe that is the reason my father in law once said “rasa nak terajang saja” with regards to UMNO Supreme council members..
Im a silent reader of your blog…but i am compelled to comment because I cant believe you are seriously defending the mob? You do know that innocent people got hurt right? I could give a rat’s arse about DAP and their antics; they are the opposition…thats what they’ve always been doing….no different from any politicians in Malaysia
But this whole mob justice…its just no excuse…both chinese thugs and malay thugs…no excuse…
I’m not defending the mob.
I’m saying young, innocent Chinese – waylaid and pulled out at random from their car – have become victims of the DAP evangelista’s politics of hate.
When I step out into the street, I’m first and foremost what I look – a Chinese. I’m not going to be differentiated through my lack of support for the opposition/DAP nor am I going to be asked if I’m a Christian, Buddhist, Taoist or whatever.
The greed and power craze of the DAP evangelical Christian leadership is causing a backlash against the Chinese community in general. I’m personally as much at risk of a mindless mishap at the two young men in the car.
Only the DAP evangelistas who wear tudung might escape being identified as a Chinese, and thus safe from the mayhem that they’re catalyzing.
“greed”, “power craze(sic)”, “backlash” – typical cue words.
Oh, yes – and “evangelistas” too.
It is the latter’s fault that there is a “backlash” – so opines Helen.
Maybe if they acted all meek, humble and subservient – “yes, Boss”, “no problem, Boss” – they’d be spared the “backlash” and other more amenable targets could be sought.
Btw, you should read Paul Krugman’s commentary “The laziness dogma” in the New York Times.
He concludes his commentary thus:
“Republicans, however, believe that American workers just aren’t trying hard enough to improve their situation, and the way to change that is to strip away the safety net while cutting taxes on wealthy “job creators”. And while Jeb Bush may sometimes sound like a moderate, he’s very much in line with the party consensus. If he makes it to the White House, the laziness dogma will rule public policy.”
“We must not give in to fear” and neither must anyone have to give in to provocation, race baiting, Malaysia Kini, the Malaysian Bar, Ambiga and her NGO’s and Hannah Yeo and their churches who have done nothing but to incessantly race bait Malays, insult their religion, hold them to ransom for everything that’s wrong with the country, ridicule their leaders and finance the uppity Malays who act as the surrogates of the mainly Chinese led opposition in Malaysia.
The Chinese appear not o have learnd from May 13 and the events that led to it.
This is history repeating itself.The Malay NGO;’s should identify their targets more accurately. This poor chap is probably as much of a victim of the Kia Su and their coolies as the Malays themselves are.
Agreed
I was an eye witness to the may ’69 incident and I have recorded it in a short article ‘memperingati mei ’69’.
we have missed a golden opportunity to lay the foundation of a truly bangsa Malaysia then.after more than 50 years of independence, we are still struggling to find our footing.
we are quite successful in alleviating poverty especially amongst the bumiputras which in turn reduces racial polarization. but for as long as each race insist on perpetuating and strengthening their ties with their motherland through education and culture, it will take many2 generations before we can transform or evolve into some semblance of a true Malaysian racial identity.
the ROS can start by immediately rejecting any new political parties that are based on race or religion and office bearers should reflect the racial composition of the population of the country. the ones that we already have are one too many.
I don’t understand why the police can just stood there and do nothing? At least use your cota to beat the crowd la or fire warning shots. As for the chinese, sapa suruh lu berani sangat buta-buta support party racist macam DAP? Kan dah kena. I pity the couple in the car. If DAP continue to provoke and offend the Malays expect things like this to occur in the near future. Sudah-sudahla blame NGO Melayu as though they are the only ones who are racist.
How do you describe the species of people who refuses to own up to even the slightest culpability when it is the one that actually causes the ugly incident? BANGSAT is the word.
The Low Yatt incident was an instantaneous reaction by the Malays whose anger towards the Chinese has long been pent up and has been bursting at the seam. It took only a small spark to ignite a big flame. UMNO has no role in it.The alleged theft wasn’t stage managed. The convergence of the Malays at LY happened too quickly to be an pre-planned event.
I think many commentators of this blog, and elsewhere, had repeatedly commented that an ugly racial incident pitting Malays against Chinese was inevitable. It’s a matter of time/a time bomb and anything could be the cause. Many saw it coming but the evangelists led pack, in supreme arrogance, fanned the fire of hatred much more strongly. They were lucky because their target were the Malays, a species of people with supreme patience and tolerance [and perhaps apathy also]. But they forgot that when pushed too far, the Malays would react like nobody else in the whole world.
Here’s the list of actions perpetrated by the evangelist led bunch that had incensed the Malays [that I could recall off hand]:-
1. halal bah kut teh for buka puasa by the infamous Alvivi couple;
2. demand by the Catholics to use the name “Allah” for Jesus Christ and the subsequent contempts over the courts’ decisions, scandalizing the panel of judges;
3. brazen proselytization of the Muslims;
4. condemning Islamic institutions;
5. condemning and insulting Islamic law and practices;
6. insulting the Islamic dress code;
7. demanding the right to legalize LGBT;
8. glorifying alcoholism [one of the them by celebrating the Oktoberfest];
9. pervasive & extreme insults and abuses of the Islam & Muslims in the social media;
10. scandalizing the sultans;
11. general disrespect for Islam, Muslims & Malays;
12. attempting to interfere with the admisnistration of Islam;
13 questioning the constitutional rights of Muslims and Malays; and
14. the incitement and fanning of hatred by the evangelist controlled media. The Star’s use of the word “thugs” to refer to the Malay purported mobs was deliberate and on purpose. If it really was a phone theft, was the half-dead lynching of the suspect commensurate with the offence he was accused of? In the minds of the Malays, he was excessively lynched because he was a Malay and the perpetrators were Chinese, so it became racial.
I am no fan of UMNO but I can say with certainty that UMNO is not a racist party. It’s just a highly corrupt and abusive [power and trust] party. In fact it’s UMNO’s acts and omissions that have made the Chinese, in general, naik tocang and besar kepala. The best example is none other than Najib, who, in desperation for the Chinese support, stooped so low that make the Chinese think and act like they the kings of the country now.
The DAP leaders + plus some evangelists in PKR are just replicating and replaying the pre-May 13, 1969 events. With the hopeless and hapless Najib at the helm, only God knows when it will culminate into May 13 2.0. I think it will be pretty soon.
With these kind of interfered n insults toward d malay n muslim in this country, imagine d anger tht hve been keeping inside waiting to blow up with juz a single spark. Instead of gettin support from d malays u guys get a blow in head. God is great…..
Helen,
re ,They are pointing fingers of blames at UMNO.
They blamed UMNO for that incidence is just a political outcry , which normal for anyone or party to put a blamed on another though both may equally responsible .
Somehow I believe UMNO as a leading party that lead the government, has to be blamed for their failure to unite all the Malaysian ,and allowed them to go different ways in their own education system which make them strange on each other .
Many, are not, be able speak in Bahasa Kebangsaan ,that make them further a part and stranger to each others ,and remain alien since they first steps their foots hear .
Their identity as Malaysian, are just on the document that they hold ,a part from that they are just another Chinese or Indian in Malay lands.
Many came out with a slogan ( DAP ,Malaysian Malaysia) and 1 Malaysia ,but nobody care about the roots ,it’s more of political propaganda .
Hence , Low Yat incidence wont be the last.
AFP, Reuters report “The veil is off as Beijing battles Xinjiang violence” (Singapore Straits Times July 15).
It’s interesting that the Chinese authorities are becoming increasingly intolerant about external manifestations of persons’ Islamic identities, especially in Xinjiang.
More to the point, the Singapore Parliament has approved the renaming of the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies (Iseas). It will, with effect from August 12, be called the Iseas-Yusof Ishak Institute in tribute to Singapore’s first president.
“His convictions and life’s work resonate strongly with Iseas’ foundational tenets, and it befitting that his name will be borne by Iseas….. We are very fortunate that Encik Yusof was Singapore’s head of state at our founding moment. That he embodied our sovereignty assured our pioneer generation of Malays that they have a place in Singapore – he assured all races that this would be home for all.” (Heng Swee Kiat, Education Minister).
Other Singapore MPs who spoke in support of the renaming also praised Mr Yusof’s deep and abiding commitment to racial and religious harmony.
Dr Intan Azura Mokhtar said it would be a way to continue his legacy of multiculturalism.
Mr Zaqy Mohamad, who noted that race and religion have been potential pressure points in Singapore’s history, said: “Encik Yusof showed through his life that, as a Singaporean, he rose above sectarian interests and looked towards larger national interests.”
“Naming a highly regarded institution such as Iseas after Encik Yusof Ishak is our way of thanking and honouring Encik Yusof for his service to Singapore, of committing ourselves anew to the principles of harmony and unity that he held dear.” (Heng Swee Kiat)
(reporting by Nur Asyiqin Mohamad Salleh in the Singapore ST).
It is an interesting contrast, is it not?
Not interesting and out of topic. China is a communist nation that prefers each and every citizen have no religion. Christian got their crosses torn down while muslim is not allowed to fast… So what actually do you want to point out there?
Yesyes..honor to yusof ishak…still not pertinent to us malaysian since most of us malaysian only know Lee Kuan Yew. Can you not talk about singapore when we all are discussing Malaysian matter. Kinda feel like unsolicited advertisements for the snake oil you are peddling.
Re: can you not talk about sinkapool ….
Whoa! This is one good answer. Couldn’t agree more. Thank you AE.
These buggers are suffering like frogs in a heating up (sinka)pool. The daily drug is to compare with Malaysia so as to convince themselves that Malaysia is worse, in order for them to forget the slow death which is a dead certainty.
Oh yes! Meritocracy.
Go eat your opium la.
Haiyaa Rithmatist
Nothing to be proud of. Nama saja Melayu. What happens to the Melayu there today? Macam dah out of touch with their traditional Malay roots. Kesian tau.
Ramadan hang pi jengok apa ada kat famous ‘geleng’ serai raya bazaar tak? Esok nak raya. Sure you geleng kepala wan. Go and see if you can find any of these traditional Malay food;
Dodol?
Sebatang lemang?
Ketupat?
Rendang?
Seri muka pun panggil salad
Yang bersepah sekadar Ramly burger aje.
Haiyaa. Your spirits must be so restless.
Roaming day and night all over the world, Greece visit tak semalam?
As usual IGP did nothing. Malaysiakini is above law.
Twisted logic. Evangilistas caused this couple to get beaten up? Of course DAp want power, they are a political party. So does every other political party and some NGOs. But if you get beaten up on the street, do you blame the politician or the person that beat you up. Is there anything that justifies a mob attack? Only on this blog.
re: “But if you get beaten up on the street, do you blame the politician or the person that beat you up.”
Why do you think the two young Chinese got beaten up? Would the mob have pulled out two Malays (or Indians or gweilo) from their car to beat up?
“Why do you think the two young Chinese got beaten up?”
Obviously due to the fact that there are still elements of Malaysian society that cannot be classified as being totally civilised in their conduct and behaviour. This can be attributed to a lack of education and also the fact that there’s still a large income gap amongst the population. The fact of the matter is UMNO has failed in six decades to correct this. There you go Helen, the real crux of the problem. Not the BS that you spout here every day.
Apparently there were three (not two) young Chinese men in the car.
If it had been three Indians or three gweilo or three Ibans/Kadazans in the car, do you think they’d have been dragged out and beaten?
In a civilised society, people should not react in this manner. You may get the odd incident but they are generally isolated in nature. The root of the problem needs to be solved which is essentially educating certain quarters and improving the income distribution.
Until this is done, I can see continuous attacks on innocent civilians being committed for all sorts of different reasons.Indian gang violence is such a major issue in the Klang/Port Klang area, and I highly doubt that they are in any way motivated to do so by what the Dapsters are preaching about in their churches.
re: “Indian gang violence is such a major issue in the Klang/Port Klang area”
Indian gangsters will not pull out Malays or Chinese from their car for a random beating, and then proceed to trash the vehicle.
Gangsters rob but robbery has a specific purpose – to obtain money.
The scores of youths who attacked the car driver and his passengers are not getting any material benefit from their act.
You haven’t answered my question? If it had been a group comprising any non-Chinese in the car, do you think they’d have been dragged out?
re: Would the mob have pulled out two Malays (or Indians or gweilo) from their car to beat up?
re: If it had been three Indians or three gweilo or three Ibans/Kadazans in the car, do you think they’d have been dragged out and beaten?
re: If it had been a group comprising any non-Chinese in the car, do you think they’d have been dragged out?
These are hypothetical questions. You may answer No. Some one may answer Yes. How to prove it?
In your previous post, you claimed “The words being shouted infer that there is an angst-ridden anger directed at Chinese in general.”
On what basis you arrive at the conclusion that the “angst-ridden anger directed at Chinese in general.”? What you mean by Chinese in general? You mean the entire Chinese population in Msia? Can’t it be the specific Chinese handphone shop owner/dealer in Lowyat?
While authorities like Najib and IGP said it is not racially motivated, why you try to exert that the Lowyat incident is a race issue?
re: “These are hypothetical questions. You may answer No. Some one may answer Yes. How to prove it?”
My question is hypothetical but the beating that we saw in the video above was an event that took place.
Did either side (a) the Chinese Low Yat staff who nabbed and apparently manhandled the Malay alleged h/p thief require any proof, and (b) the Malay mob that descended upon the plaza to exact revenge – did they require any proof?
re: “In your previous post, you claimed “The words being shouted infer that there is an angst-ridden anger directed at Chinese in general. On what basis you arrive at the conclusion that the ‘angst-ridden anger directed at Chinese in general’? […] Can’t it be the specific Chinese handphone shop owner/dealer in Lowyat?”
Are you contending that “pukimak punya Cina!” was directed at the sales personnel of Oppo shop in Low Yat alone? If so, then why were the young Chinese men in the car – who had nothing to do with the sale of mobile phones in Low Yat – beaten up?
re: “While authorities like Najib and IGP said it is not racially motivated, why you try to exert that the Lowyat incident is a race issue?”
Do you agree with them that the mob was not racially motivated?
If so, then the hypothetical answer to my question should rightly be that they would have randomly pulled out three Indians/gweilo/Ibans/Kadazans/Arabs etc to be given the same kind of beating meted out to the Chinese youths.
Who will determine whether the Lowyat incident is racially motivated or otherwise? Should it be the authorities, media or individuals like you and me?
While we respect the freedom of expression, ultimately it must take the official stand of the government. Will you concede to this official stand in relation to the Lowyat incident?
PS: Why we didn’t see more incidents of Malay whacking Chinese as aftermath of the incident whether in the Lowyat vicinity or somewhere else? If this happens, people will be more inclined to believe the claim of “racially motivated”. Otherwise, it was just an isolated incident.
re: “Who will determine whether the Lowyat incident is racially motivated or otherwise?”
Time will tell. We should know soon enough.
re: “Will you concede to this official stand in relation to the Lowyat incident?”
Yes, I will.
Probably Low Yat will not merit the RCI that Kit Siang is demanding as nobody has died. But in my opinion, the White Paper on May 13 was a fair report. The NOC/Mageran acknowledged the extreme provocation by the Chinese opposition supporters in the run-up to the fatal date as one of the causes igniting the riot.
re: “Why we didn’t see more incidents of Malay whacking Chinese as aftermath of the incident whether in the Lowyat vicinity or somewhere else?”
According to the Chinese media reports, there were two. The youths who were dragged out from their car and assaulted (video above) and a separate incident where another Chinese man (passerby/bystander) was assaulted.
re: “If this happens, people will be more inclined to believe the claim of ‘racially motivated’. Otherwise, it was just an isolated incident.”
Oh, so the fracas at the mall, the beating of the driver and his passengers, and the other separate assault were altogether isolated incidents. Okay. How can I argue with you? You will demand that I prove the three assaults are related.
re: Time will tell. We should know soon enough.
As of now, Najib and IGP already said ‘not racially motivated’. Unless there is someone more authoritative than them (e.g. RCI), their statement is a final conclusion. Unless they decides to make a U-turn. No further time necessary.
re: fracas at the mall, the beating of the driver and his passengers, and the other separate assault …………… You will demand that I prove the three assaults are related.
Yes. Exactly what I am demanding. The official stand now is ‘not racially motivated’. You are the one trying to link the 3 incidents as ‘racially motivated’ simply because the attackers/rioters are Malays and the other party are Chinese.
Can you still assert the incidents as ‘racially motivated’ despite your unwillingness to provide prove? Your credibility as a blogger is at stake.
re: “As of now, Najib and IGP already said ‘not racially motivated’. Unless there is someone more authoritative than them (e.g. RCI), their statement is a final conclusion.”
Using your line of reasoning, I can venture to say that as of now, Najib and the second Finance Minister have already pronounced the administration of 1MBD to be above board. Unless there is someone more authoritative than them (e.g. RCI), then their statement is a final conclusion.
re: “Unless they decide to make a U-turn. No further time necessary.”
By the same token, unless the Finance Ministers (I) and (II) decide to make a U-turn, no further probe on 1MDB is necessary as their statement is already a final conclusion. (I’m just mirroring your thought modality.)
re: “Yes. Exactly what I am demanding. The official stand now is ‘not racially motivated’.”
Okay. I echo your words again. The official stand now on 1MDB is that everything’s in the clear. No wrongdoing whatsoever.
re: “You are the one trying to link the 3 incidents as ‘racially motivated’ simply because the attackers/rioters are Malays and the other party are Chinese.”
And lots of people are trying to link everything and the kitchen sink to 1MDB in their attempts to criminalize the PM.
re: “Can you still assert the incidents as ‘racially motivated’ despite your unwillingness to provide prove? Your credibility as a blogger is at stake.”
Really. I’m only operating in your favoured milieu. AE has a question for you @
‘Beaten bloody, but he does not want revenge’ @ http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/305227
INTERVIEW WITH THE ASSAULT VICTIM
The Malaysian Inciter‘s version of the story, for those without mKini subscriber access
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/we-were-treated-like-animals-say-victims-of-low-yat-violence
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So why did the mob point out “Itu Cina”?
How about “itu India”, “itu Mat Salleh”, “itu Arab”, “itu delusional Dapster”, “itu Dapster in denial”.
re: I’m just mirroring your thought modality
I take it that you accept my reasoning vis-a-vis the Lowyat incident.
re: Lowyat incident vs 1MDB
I am referring to the WSJ allegation on 1MDB. For the Lowyat incident, the allegation came from a foreign entity. Despite denials by Najib and Msia government , they are not the final arbiter to determine the merit of the WSJ allegation simply because they are the alleged offenders. There should be an independent party at international level as this is a foreign issue.
Najib or Msia government have to sue in the US or at some international courts. Let us wait as the 14 day period in the Najib’s lawyer letter will end soon. We will know the next course of action. If WSJ stand firm on their allegation, Najib has no choice but to sue WSJ in US.
I don’t think you can apply my ‘thought modality’ of Lowyat incident in the WSJ allegation on 1MDB. The former is a domestic matter and the alleged offender is not Najib and IGP. As far as domestic matters are concerned, both of them are the final authorities to determine whether or not the incident is ‘racially motivated’ or otherwise.
re: “As far as domestic matters are concerned, both of them are the final authorities to determine whether or not the incident is ‘racially motivated’ or otherwise.”
Hahaha. You choose the game by yourself and after that you make up the rules for yourself and then you amend them on the run to suit yourself.
So you’re deciding that 1MDB is not a domestic matter just b’cos WSJ did a damaging story. WSJ only made the controversy more high profile. Even if WSJ hadn’t published its story that day, Tun (local man) and The Edge were already raining blows on 1MDB.
How does one or two WSJ stories render 1MDB unlocal? Don’t lah tegakkan benang basah until you get your thread in knots.
re: Hahaha. You choose the game by yourself and after that you make up the rules for yourself and then you amend them on the run to suit yourself.
I am not referring to allegations made by oppo politicians and Mahathir on 1MDB (I call them locals). I am referring to the WSJ allegation (a foreign entity). If you face allegation by foreign entity, mere denials at local/domestic levels are not enough. You need to settle at international arena either by suing WSJ in US. Bear in mind that the alleged transfer originated from a US bank as well and WSJ has an international circulation.
Try ask anyone trained in law of finance vis-a-vis the WSJ allegation on 1MDB. Ask them if mere denial by Najib without taking further action to sue WSJ is sufficient to negate the WSJ allegation.
re: “Ask them if mere denial by Najib without taking further action to sue WSJ is sufficient to negate the WSJ allegation.”
The PM has his lawyers. Let’s see what they’re gonna do next.
Allegations against 1MDB are, however, on various facets, not just Najib’s reputation vis-a-vis WSJ alone. Tun has recited a whole litany. Thus I would still see 1MDB as a domestic (perception) ‘problem’.
“Who will determine whether the Lowyat incident is racially motivated or otherwise?”
Sigh, what about the three Chinese reporters who also kena ? They have nothing to do with the Low Yat fracas, yet they’re “collateral damage”.
Nope. They are particularly looking for the 90% chinese that voted for DAP. I’m sure if they got 10, they will let go the last one as a sign of respect for the other 10%.
re: I’m saying young, innocent Chinese – waylaid and pulled out at random from their car – have become victims of the DAP evangelista’s politics of hate.
What empirical evidence/study that you have in arriving at such conclusion?
Bravo Mr. IdrisMdIsa, i couldn’t put it better. The list you put forth is the bomb. Let us see some posturing dap evangelist try to deny it.
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With the weak and leadership we have today and, as you all notice in the viral video, an ineffective police force, there would be high probability a military intervention will be required. Street fights, mob lynch and curfews….yay.
Since we can’t learn from history, we might as well learn by experiencing the bloodlust and the loss that’ll follow. Oh.. what a lesson we will learn.
Btw bnm,
https://helenang.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/umno-race-baiting.jpg?w=450&h=383
Any empirical evidence/study on this?
AE,
re: Btw bnm,
https://helenang.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/umno-race-baiting.jpg?w=450&h=383
Any empirical evidence/study on this?
I don’t have any. Please ask the statement maker/publisher.
of course, umno is to be blamed……who has been reigning the country for 50+ years? who’s practicing the “Divide and Conquer” formula in running Malaysia?? Who is responsible to see that these kinds of problem must not arise?? BTW, it’s simple formula, if my son’s are practicing racism, i am to be blamed, because i did not nurture good values into them….
re: “of course, umno is to be blamed”
Okay, maybe you’re right. The BN formula is irretrievably broken.
Umno had not kept the Malay rioters in check, MCA is unable to check the Chinese from becoming a Dapster horde or worse, evangelistas while MIC can’t decide on who is the party’s legitimate president.
If the BN is not functioning to keep riots from erupting, then perhaps the BN formula should be replaced with one that will work better. A Malay unity – Umno + PAS + Malay third force (Perkasa, Isma, etc) – might be able to provide more political and social stability.
the crux is not about having an all Malay party but more on having leaders with integrity of the highest degree….a team which will carry the nation towards excellence……a team that practices accountability on decisions made….a team that’s keeps up with the world and shuns racism…….a perfect example currently is Nazir Razak, whom i see as a very smart and clean man….hope dirty politics don’t get to him
Just read that Papagomo and Ali Tinju arrested under the Sedition Act. Strange how those who lit candles and marched against the Act now gloating and rejoicing over their arrest.
Funny fellas lah, these ‘moderates.’
By the way, I’m not defending those two.
A person may object the existence of the Act, but he has to respect the rule of law, i.e. a law is a law until it is repealed by Parliament and it must be enforced equally.
Helen’s concerns are not unfounded. It’s the reality. When an angry mob run amok , they don’t ask about your political affiliation , they just look at you based on your race.
And for those provoking the Malays online and in real life, know this, should a nationwide riot breaks out, the police will not be able to protect everyone all at the same time. So stop this provoking nonsense before its too late.
What we see in the video is a reflection of what the majority Malays feel deep down inside when push comes to shove. I don’t condone such behavior but learn from history. When Malays run amok, its not a pretty sight and its not funny. Its real and people will get hurt.
“When Malays run amok, its not a pretty sight and its not funny.”
You mean the Malays from the lower socioeconomic class? It’s highly unlikely that you will see a successful Bangsar Malay for example being caught up in this kind of thuggish and nonsensical behaviour. He will be too busy figuring out how to make his next million.
And herein lies the problem. The income gap needs to be reduced and the entire population needs to be educated, otherwise there is bound to be racial clashes in the future, especially with the racial based political system set up in Malaysia,
“And for those provoking the Malays online and in real life, know this, should a nationwide riot breaks out,”
I honestly have no idea where you get this from. How are the Malays being provoked exactly?Just because many non Malays are against UMNO and are supporters of DAP, it shouldn’t be construed as a personal attack on the Malay race. If the Malays view it as such, then I really have no idea as to what the solution to this issue is, as the others will more than likely continue to vote for the opposition.
“Just because many non Malays are against UMNO and are supporters of DAP, it shouldn’t be construed as a personal attack on the Malay race.”
This is usually the excuse to justify DAP supporters (should I just say Chinese) to jump on the bandwagon and attacking UMNO.
I say fine to that.
But you also have to accept that the Malays will justify that since the Chinese are supporting DAP, they are supporting the ideology of abolishing all the special rights of Bumiputra and the sorts.
So, you can keep arguing that point and we’ll keep going in circles until everything spiral out of control.
“But you also have to accept that the Malays will justify that since the Chinese are supporting DAP,”
Or they can be sensible and realise that a lot of people are sick and tired of seeing a corrupt regime running the country into the ground. You can’t realistically get upset when non Malays choose not to vote UMNO, considering the poor track record that they have had over the last few years. UMNO certainly have not helped themselves, and you at least must acknowledge this.
I mean how many more 1mdb type scenarios do we have to go through before people realise that the economics of the country should be as important a factor factor when voting for a party, and not just what they can do for a particular race?
Still trying to blame UMNO for everything huh?
Fine. I know I’m talking to a DAP minion but meh.
1MDB did not play a role during last GE, and I doubt the Chinese were influenced by economic factor when they voted for DAP since you wrote “considering the poor track record that they have had over the last few years.”Lack of sense there . So stop lying.
If you use full capacity of your brain, “UMNO” had been leading the country since independence, and during those period of time race relations only came to a boiling point when DAP enjoyed full Chinese support. So don’t try to give lame excuses about ‘corrupt UMNO regime’ to justify your support for DAP. Your type of people will never acknowledge all the achievements done for the country by “UMNO”
You, along with the rest of the Chinese community are totally in denial that you are being taken for a ride by DAP or simply you know what DAP is fighting for and will go for broke with them pursuing their agenda.
And don’t use that holier than thou ‘we’re not fighting for a particular race’ speech because I’m sick of hearing it coming from fork tongue DAP supporters.
Who said that I am Chinese? Don’t just assume. Bro, not all of us are effected or concerned by race based politics the way you appear to be. My biggest concern is rising debt levels and an inflation level that has gone through the roof. How much does 100 RM buy you at Tesco these days? Not much. I am just an average guy and I worry about the future of my kids education and their ability to get ahead in this world.
Who else to blame lah? UMNO have been afforded the luxury of 58 years in power. I believe that they may be the longest continuing ruling party, bar none, or at least in the so called democratic world. They are responsible for what’s happening to this country, both economically and socially. How much more loyalty do you expect people to show them than giving them 58 years?
If you remember correctly, most non Malays supported BN during Dr M’s time, and it was because we felt that they were actually the best for the job, now we don’t anymore.
I am sick of being told that I am being disloyal etc when UMNO have been nothing short of disgraceful over the last few years. Don’t believe me, just google the number of allegations thrown at them. WSJ, SMH etc are not going to simply publish articles unless they have concrete evidence to backup their claims. They are corrupt and are ultimately stealing our tax money for their own personal greed. I’m not stupid enough to continue to blindly throw my support behind a party like this.
“You, along with the rest of the Chinese community are totally in denial that you are being taken for a ride by DAP”
Nah, as I told you above, I am sick of still being taken for a ride by BN. And this anti UMNO sentiment is not just driven by DAP bro. Just go and spend a few minutes on Nurul’s twitter account. You will be shocked to see the number of shots she fires at BN and UMNO. It’s conveniently not highlighted here though for whatever reason.
But I am fine with that because this is standard opposition behaviour all over the world. The job of the opposition is to criticise and make their voices heard, that’s how they survive and gain support. No different to opposition parties around the globe.
re: “this is standard opposition behaviour all over the world. The job of the opposition is to criticise and make their voices heard, that’s how they survive and gain support”
Nurul’s party is the ‘first among equals’ and ruling the state of Selangor which is the biggest (population-wise) and richest in the country. Her PKR colleague is the Menteri Besar.
It’s high time the PKR (and DAP) Yang Berhormats start behaving like responsible legislators and making sure their output is constructive, rather than being empty vessels making a lot of noise and criticizing for only the sake of criticizing, opposing only for the sake of opposing.
They’ve been surviving and gaining support solely on account of tearing down and destroying. They even do this in the state that they rule such as Penang and Selangor, and Kelantan – the state ruled by their erstwhile partner.
The trees have been chopped down, the forests over-logged and the hills made botak by these greedy, power-hungry politicians.
“It’s high time the PKR (and DAP) Yang Berhormats ”
Uh, suddenly the Dapsters are not the only guilty party. Good to finally read a bit of objective writing from you.
The Dapsters are not the ‘only’ guilty party but they are the main guilty party on the side of the federal opposition, just like Umno similarly on the side of the establishment.
Umno is indisputably the numero uno party overall while DAP is a close No.2.
No other party comes close to the Big Two in terms of power play. PKR is really weaker than they appear and if DAP and PAS wanted to encroach, both can easily take away PKR’s mixed seats. PAS is actually a lot stronger than the Dapster-evangelistas give them credit for.
I wish I could argue like you do, Miss Helen.
re: “this is standard opposition behaviour all over the world. The job of the opposition is to criticise and make their voices heard, that’s how they survive and gain support”
The issue in Penang and Selangor is that the Pakatan is the government and not BN. If Pakatan is of the opinion that BN did a terrible job of running Penang and Selangor, they should have UBAH the way the government is run. Instead way back in 2008, we were served with the 16 September saga of when will BN MPs hop over.
In fact if BN did a shitty job in running the two states, then today with Pakatan government every allegation by any BN MP in those states could be easily answered. Surely there would not be any water crisis, bald hills and dried up Gurney Drive. Instead you would notice all the Pakatan MPs do is go from place to place and campaign and preach of the “evils” of racist BN, instead of doing their job.
The word “racist” must word in every DAP message about BN. Some of use voted Pakatan in 2008 for change. Instead we got a MP hoping saga, Allah saga, and all sorts of non value added discussions by the politicians.
Some people say Malaysia is becoming a failed state because you know what. I say it is because Malaysia is full of IDIOTIC VOTERS that voted cartoon characters to become our representatives. That is why we are a failure.
I wonder whether Hannah, Tokong and their posse realize that they are the government and not the opposition?
If someone says **** your mother. Then he says, I don’t see where it is provocative. Well anyway, it is your mother that he is cursing, not his own mother. So off course to him it is not provocative. But what about the person whose mother is being cursed?
This is the problem of some quarters in Malaysia. Just because they think it is not provocative, they expect others to think so. For some, they think that calling Christian God as Allah is not provocative, so they expect the Muslim to accept it. They also come out with their version of moderation which they expect everyone to swallow it. When we disagree, they call us extremist. This is the crux of mentality that cause all the problem.
re: “This is the crux of mentality that cause all the problem.”
It is the evangelista mentality. They’re the ones labelling others “racists”, “extremists”, “bigots”, “haters”.
Adherents of Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism are not calling their God ‘Allah’. Only the evangelistas are.
Most only wants to make their opinion known, hardly anyone is interested in true dialogue, understanding and reconciliation.
re: “Most only wants to make their opinion known”
Yup, they’re the evangelistas alright. Take the ‘Allah’ issue, for example. The evangelical Christians keep pushing and pushing on why they (believe they) have a right to the word. They refuse to listen to the Muslim POV why they shouldn’t.
You hardly hear the Buddhists or Hindu leaders and prominent figures ever wading into the debate.
re: “hardly anyone is interested in true dialogue”
Nope. The evangelistas are only interested in photo ops in the masjid dan surau for their social media platforms. And political mileage, of course.
re: “understanding and reconciliation”
If the evangelistas are sincere about reconciliation, the first thing they should do is cease baiting the Muslims and stop poking their nose into how the Islamic bureaucracy conducts its religious affairs.
Ini khutbah Jumaat pun si evangelista DAP mahu campurtangan – kononnya surah Al-Baqarah yang dipetik Jakim itu memudaratkan perhubungan kaum.
Where is justice ,
re, I honestly have no idea where you got this from. How Malays being provoke exactly ?.
How I wish I could tell you ,but it’s too long to tell , you must be naive or pretends to be, of not knowing .
Tebing Tinggi,
How Malays being provoked?
Examples:
1) DAP insists that the word “allah” to be used by Christians. While none of the Christians whom I met said they worship Allah, DAP finds it very important to have Christians use “Allah”.
Why? To drive wedge between Christians and the BN that is led by Muslims.
2) Non stop slandering by useless politicians like Hannah Yeoh or Kit Siang. Hannah non stop mocking UMNO as racist. Were UMNO to be racist, Hannah Yeoh or Kit Siang would be dead by now.
3) Chinese refusal to integrate with others(meaning Malays). We have separate school system. DAP seems able to tolerate 11 years of schooling in Vernacular school but find it difficult to fill out race column in official document. what a hypocrite.
4) DAP twisted on may 13 incident. Many if my Chinese friends accused Dato Harun as responsible on may 13. They were speechless when I asked them about the Chinese procession that went right into Kg Baru.
Banyak lagi.
1) You do realise that the majority of Muslims worldwide backed the Catholic Church on this, right? Overseas people were actually shocked that this was even being contested by the Home Ministry and viewed the Malaysian Muslims as the bullies in this matter.
2) Technically UMNO is a racist party, due to the fact that the other races are not given the same privileges as the Malays. Look up the definition of racism and you will find that UMNO meets this criteria. But even if the opposition takes over, rest assured that the special privileges afforded to the Malays will not be removed. It would be political suicide for them to do so.
As for Hannah and Kit Siang, they are part of the opposition bro, it’s their job to make the loudest noise. I have lived in many countries and it’s the same worldwide. The opposition want to get into power and they will criticise anything and everything that the ruling part does, good or bad. If BN becomes the oppo, trust me, they will be the loudest ones as well.
3) I agree with you on this point to an extent. More integration is definitely needed, and one of the ways of achieving this is by getting rid of vernacular schools.
4)Different perspectives. They were probably brought up to believe this, and the Malays were brought up to believe the opposite. As you can see on this blog and others as well, objectivity amongst Malaysians is a rare trait. Views are severely skewed by bias and people tend to take sides not based on the truth, but often the perceived truth.
Where is the Justice,
If UMNO is racist, then MCA, MIC, Liga Arab, European Union too are racists.
If UMNO is racist, what can be said about DAP CEC where the line up shows almost entirely from chinese community.
“Rest assured that the special privilleges….”
THAT IS THE FIRST THING DAP WILL ABOLISH .
“Muslim Majority backed Catholic Church…..”
So if that is the case, can you too back their views on one school system. Because many of my fanatics friends from DAP often say “In indonesia, Christians can use Allah …..”.
I told them in Indonesai there is no separate school system.
ALL COME IN a PACKAGE.
“THAT IS THE FIRST THING DAP WILL ABOLISH”
So not true, and I believe Helen and many others on here will back me up on this.
“So if that is the case, can you too back their views on one school system. ”
I believe that I did in my earlier post. Read carefully.
‘You do realise that the majority of Muslims worldwide backed the Catholic Church on this, right?’
Why bother? You are not living with them are you? And why would the Muslims or any of us in Malaysia be dictated by the rest of the of world POV on our very own problems? You think the Americans give a fark on what we think about how they should carry on with their lives. Got it?
And for one people like Reza Aslan or the rest of the world for that matter does not even know that the Malay word for Allah is Tuhan. The Herald translation wanted to do just that. But they refused to listen to the Malays themselves that Tuhan and not Allah (the arabic word) should be used. The even refused to refer the case to DBP and consult them despite most of them speaks no bahasa. Why stubbornness?
‘Overseas people were actually shocked that this was even being contested by the Home Ministry and viewed the Malaysian Muslims as the bullies in this matter.’
You guys are the real bullies here. No two ways about it. The Home Ministry had been ‘advising’ the Christians since the 80’s. And it was the Catholic Church that had brought the case to the court. And as a responsible government the Home Ministry can’t sit idle watching can they? The Muslims are citizen too. They can’t just gives in to the ridiculous demand simply because the rest of the world would be laughing? Malaysia is a sovereign state. And it has a stand of its own.
And technically UMNO is never a racist party. Stupid maybe. But never racists. In UMNO you have the Melayu, Orang Siam, Kadazan Dusun, Mamak, Arab and some Cinas too!
Ask some Ong about this if you must. Perhaps been living in so many countries had left you ‘blur’ on certain things Malaysiana. If you could ever want to listen. Kan?
The alleged ‘thug’ pleaded not guilty.
What is interesting here is taking he may be detrimental to help authorities nab the bigger ‘thugs’ operating in lowyat. I suppose that’s why many lawyers are going to fight for him.
Yang penting cekop semua thugs aka thieves whose been enriching themselves and conning rakyat of billions of ringgit over the last 50years.
Let’s also do our part. Kat mana saja…report them. Too many thugs living comfortably around us..high time campak masuk jail..
I cant say im surprised by the general conclusion made by many here, ie, Chinese =DAP’s provocation = thus, its all their fault.
Let me relate to you my experience lah ….
I grew up in several neighbourhoods; the working class, the FELDA no electricity class ( deep inside ladang kepala sawit) & subsequently, lower middle class. All my life ive been surrounded by Malays from these kind social strata and I will tell you this; the “mistrust” towards Chinese didnt only begin during the last GE, during the so called failed Chinese tsunami. No, it has been festering for the longest time….. ( alternatively you could prob say vice versa the negative perceptions of the Chinese towards the Malays). I didnt allow myself to be caught up in this sentiment..purely because ive been lucky in my family lineage, we have had a few inter racial marriages ( in the time where inter racial marriages are NOT yet the norm…we are talking 30+ years ago) and most of these are Chinese / Malay unions….
Your say that DAP is the cause of this; you are right…but only partly. The bigger picture is that these feelings, its always been there.
Being a Malay, i would say my bangsa needs a lot of fixing…pointless to elaborate here….
we cannot continuously keep blaming the chinese for ALL our problems…I dont want my children to continuously be attached to the stigma that Malays nie kuat mengamuk….
tempering DAP wnt solve the problem….the conditions of our society now is the by product of the rule by race policy…it has always been….Many of my fence sitter colleagues ( the Not into BN but tak berkenan dgn perangai PKR/DAP/PAS crowd) think ( as I do) that, ultimately, seeing that BN IS the ruling party , they are the ones setting the policy, they are the ones responsible for this mess ….you may not agree…but thats the perception….
sidenote: many of my opposition minded colleagues are not in favor of using the sedition act agts Ali tinju and papagomo either…i mean they fought for it to be abolished….makes no sense to use it in their favor…they are not dumb…
thats all i have to say about this. hangpa boleh sambung bertekak…..
re: “You say that DAP is the cause of this; you are right … but only partly.”
I say that the DAP evangelistas (stress ‘evangelistas’) are the foremost in pushing the politics of hate. Really and truly.
I assess most of the provocation, esp. against Islam as coming from them. I do not see Buddhists and Hindus displaying the kind of hatred against Islam that these Born Again Christians in the DAP are showing.
Do check out the article below:
Meskipun ungkapan love-love-love tak lekang dari bibir evangelista DAP namun hakikatnya kebencian sudah menyerap masuk darah daging mereka sampailah ke sum-sum tulang.
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Thanks for your comment in my blog. I appreciate your input.
Orang Perlis,
Where do you get the idea that Malays blame the Chinese for all their(Malay ) predicaments.
Malays too have many problems in their midst. It is clear that Malays are significantly divided and they have themselves to blame.
Their leaders for reasons known to them are forever lenient towards PENDATANG HARAM from Indonesia, or practically every countries.
Though in power, Malays still unable to make housing policy that is fair to rakyat. what we see is prime land easily sold to build expensive houses for people who already have houses.
Speculation on housing industry is rife and it is driving middle income people(Chinese included) from obtaining decent houses. A simple formula is to bar those already have a house from buying one. YET NONE in Putrajaya is willing to make it a law .
But there is no denying that evengelistas infested in DAP is playing with fire. And Chinese totally support DAP, a party known for racism and dynastic image.
I have not heard any Chinese leaders told Alvin that he is way out of line.
YESTERDAY STAR put on headlines on how many Malays helped Chinese who are in Low Yat incidents.
Despite saying that how honourable Malays are, they(meaning those controlling STAR) never once advises Chinese politicians not to insist Allah be shared by christians as concept of God is totally polar apart between Islam and Christianity. No one among chinese politicians after numerous feedback by Muslims had taken the trouble to tell the Chinese that Muslims view the sharing of the name really affect the FOUNDATION OF ISLAM TO ITS CORE.
Though you claim to live among Malays, you seem not able to understand the Malays.
In the Name of Allah Most Compassionate and Merciful
Say (oh Muhamad):
Allah is One and Unique
Allah is Absolute Unity
Neither begetting (offspring) nor begotten (from parent)
And there are no associates for Allah whatsoever.
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Dr. Gary Miller (also known as Abdul-Ahad Omar) is a Canadian Mathematician and former Christian Missionary who has converted to Islam.
“Islam: Facing up to Evangelists”
Intellectual Reflections on Islam and the Qur’an:
Applying reason and setting criteria of proofs
http://www.discoveringislam.org/dr_gary_miller.htm
“Neither begetting (offspring) nor begotten (from parent)”
Yep,it’s only the Christians and Chinese who provoke the Muslims. Definitely never the other way around!
Durian dengan mentimun, menggolek rosak, kena golek binasa.
We never provoke. We tell you the truth but you didn’t like it.
But i know you would like this.
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:)
Sorry AE, can’t let your video link through.
Ahh, it’s the truth when you see fit, but provocation when you don’t. Ok, just as I always thought,sickening double standards.
Orang Perlis nampaknya salahkan semua kt Melayu ni. Orang Perlis ni mai mana sebenaqnya, Penang Istitute ka Sekolah Demokrasi??
“All my life I’ve been surrounded by Malays……….; the “mistrust” towards Chinese didn’t only begin during the last GE, during the so called failed Chinese tsunami. No, it has been festering for the longest time…..”
I was hoping you could elaborate more on the “mistrust” thing (ie. something to do with the darurat , communist era, etc).
Ms H. Where were the big mouthed and loud mouthed Hainanese types who masquerade and look yellow on the outside but white inside when they were needed most at Low Yat ? Talk, Talk, Talk. They have no credibility when it came to the crunch.
DAP is the one instigate the Chinese to condemn BN and UMNO. DAP agenda is to rule Malaysia and to degrade Malays Muslim power slowly.
re: “DAP agenda is to rule Malaysia”
It’s a legitimate political aspiration of any party. The Worker’s Party also hopes to rule Singapore after bumping off PAP.