Zaid Ibrahim: “This Govt … espouses RACIAL HATRED as part of its philosophy”

July 23, 2015 at 11:10 am 55 comments

Zaid Ibrahim has made two serious charges against the government. Writing in his website Zaidgeist, the former de facto Law Minister said, “This Government is not only corrupt but espouses racial hatred as part of its philosophy”.

He also expressed his concern that the Chinese community is increasingly becoming the target of racism.

Zaid’s July 21 article is headlined ‘A new hope’. The eponymous title “new hope” refers to Harapan Baru, the soon-to-be registered political party being established by a splinter group of PAS leaders who had lost in their recent party election.

New Hope kicked off its nationwide roadshow last Sunday (July 19) at its inaugural event hosted by the Chinese Chamber of Commerce in Zaid’s hometown of Kota Bharu – pix below.

Zaid, who attended the gathering, had been invited by the organizers to give a short speech.

Picture source: Utusan

Picture source: Utusan (21 July 2015)

Photo credit: Aduka Taruna

Photo credit: Aduka Taruna

Zaid: Isma’s hatred, DAP’s generosity, PAS’s selfishness

In his article – see screenshot bottom of page – Zaid said that Malaysia needed a regime change because only a Government such as the one we have “can produce the likes of Ridhuan Tee Abdullah, TV3, Isma, Utusan Malaysia (in its present form) and Pekida”.

“If we allow this politics of hate to blossom, it will destroy Malaysia,” he added.

Zaid’s article was picked up yesterday by the Malay Mail and reported under the headline, ‘Zaid: Progressive Malays must be buffer against Umno and “hand-chopping” Hadi Awang‘.

Earlier last week on July 17, Zaid wrote in his column in The J-Star that Isma “blamed Chinese Malaysians for insensitivity towards Islam”.

He also wrote that some say groups such as Isma are “violent in the way they express their views when ‘defending the honour of Islam’.”

Last month, Zaid was reported to have urged, “Let’s all vote DAP in 2018” – see, ‘Zaid: DAP is generous, PAS is selfish‘ (FMT, 15 June 2015).

According to the news portal, Zaid commented that the DAP has proven many times how it is a political party which is impartial to race.

“DAP has shown Malays that they are generous and PAS has shown Malays they are selfish,” Zaid was quoted as saying.

Isma president Abdullah Zaik - file pix, March 2011

Isma president Abdullah Zaik – file pix, March 2011

Zaid believes that current Malay-led govt is “racist”

Zaid publicly declared his support for the PAS breakaway (to be launched) party New Hope because he feels that Malaysians have grown tired of the “racist Malay-led government” that is presently holding federal power.

He further accused the government of “scheming” and “spinning”.

On a related note, Zaid alleged that “active instigation by some to stir up anti-Chinese feelings was evident” during the Low Yat riot.

Among the reasons Zaid gave for Malaysians to change the government is that he’s convinced only if a set of new people were sitting in Putrajaya would hate speech against the Chinese be outlawed – see his tweet below.

(Note: Isma as well as Perkasa have been accused of hate speech by Suaram in the NGO’s 2014 annual report on human rights.)


Is his serious allegation true or otherwise?

Zaid Ibrahim: “This Government … espouses RACIAL HATRED as part of its philosophy”

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  • 1. grkumar  |  July 23, 2015 at 11:16 am

    Zaid fails to say that during his tenure as minister for law and during his tenure in parliament otherwise as well during his ascendancy to the position of one of Malaysia’s most prominent lawyers (when is still unable present his arguments in a reasoned manner), there was no difference in policy and how the government’s attitudes towards all its citizens were fundamentally the same.

    Zaid is a man who gained immensely from that privilege he now calls racism. If he is genuinely remorse and wants the government to change what he calls racist policies, the it is right that Zaid should return the wealth he acquired during the term of the government he served and during the period he built up his law firm, courtesy of his status as a Bumi Petera. (the racist class he now distances himself from).

    He can’t have it both ways.

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    • 2. Helen Ang  |  July 23, 2015 at 11:31 am

      I’ve read and reread several times your latest posting https://takemon.wordpress.com/2015/07/21/tdm-to-the-rescue-najib-will-quit-ketuanan-melayu-on-the-rise/

      It’s most disquieting.

      You talked about “useful idiots … make those ugly noises in the media and in the streets”. Your observation is spot on. There are quite a number of them endorsing DAP and PKR.

      You also wrote:

      “We have in this blog [https://takemon.wordpress.com] warned the Christians and the others who support them that by introducing a religious dimension into the anti government debates they would be awakening the idea of ‘Ketuanan Melayu’ and the democratic constitutional assertion of the right of the majority (the Malays) to make Islam the religion of the country. Meaning the ambiguity of what that line [‘Islam is the religion of the Federation’] in the constitution means will forever be gone.”

      I couldn’t agree more.

      And of course I must highlight your parting shot to share with my readers here. You cautioned:

      “… the evangelical churches of Hannah Yeoh and her tribe the most destructive and anti Malay anti Muslim.”

      To the gullible Malays yang masih mahu bersangka baik, you have been warned.

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      • 3. islam1st  |  July 23, 2015 at 8:05 pm

        ‘Meaning the ambiguity of what that line [‘Islam is the religion of the Federation’] in the constitution means will forever be gone.”

        A lot more Muslims now know that Islam is the Religion of the Federation and not merely ‘agama rasmi’ Malaysia. Thank you DAP!

        “Mereka merancang (tipu daya), dan Allah juga merancang (membalas tipu daya), Dan Allah sebaik-baik perancangan.” (Surah Ali Imran, 3:54)

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        • 4. Helen Ang  |  July 23, 2015 at 8:31 pm

          Yes, the aggressive behaviour of the evanglistas is causing a backlash. The beleaguered Muslims are reacting through an assertion of the Constitution where Islam is provided for and guaranteed.

          The reaction to DAP’s evangelical Christian politics is Muslims claiming the fulfilment of Muslim country/Islamic state where prior to 2008, the push for this was not as strongly felt.

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          • 5. islam1st  |  July 23, 2015 at 10:45 pm

            ‘Do these DAP people know what they are doing? Surely they cannot be that stupid. Or are they not stupid but actually very clever? And if they are not stupid but actually very clever then what game are they trying to play?’

            http://www.malaysia-today.net/is-dap-just-plain-stupid-or-actually-very-clever/

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            • 6. EVLee  |  July 24, 2015 at 10:14 pm

              re: ” … what game are they trying to play?”
              Now … that is very2 interesting. It might just be a game to ‘cleverly disguise stupidity’ so as to determine:
              > the stupid ones that are stupid enough to think that DAP is clever
              > the stupid ones that are clever enough to think that DAP is stupid
              > the clever ones that are stupid enough to think that DAP is clever
              > the clever ones that are clever enough to just dismiss DAP
              > and then there are those that are so confused that they don’t have enough stupidity nor cleverness to make any sense at all(as far as DAP is concerned)

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  • 7. allabih  |  July 23, 2015 at 12:34 pm

    To understand Zaid is to know his root. Perkasa and PPIM come from the same root, probably money first.

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  • 8. AYAH  |  July 23, 2015 at 12:40 pm

    Everyone now who wants to succeed in politics must demonise the Malay Muslims so that they can be popular and gain the support of the Christian Chinese and Indians.

    It’s so transparent. The end justifies the means. I suppose they won’t even mind being buried in Christian cemetries when they die or being cremated so that they will forever remain in the memories of Non-Muslims as liberal Malays who are anti-Malay and Islam but pro DAP.

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    • 9. Ebyre  |  July 24, 2015 at 9:46 am

      I couldn’t agree more with you…sadly some so called liberal Malays are destroyers of the very fabric of Malay Muslim society and continuing onslaught demonising their own race for wrong reasons.

      As for Zaid, he should self-inspect himself from where he accumulated his wealth practicing law and priorities he got in those days in 90s and early 2000s…was it not from being cronies of Malay govt and princely status with the powerful.

      Inilah perangai orang tidak mengenal budi, mengigit tangan yang memberi. If you stand by your bullshit principle..then return all the gains you got from Malay govt and then pursue your crusading into oblivion.

      Your are not worth one sen as far as Malays are concerned.and penjilat yang amat buruk perangai.

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  • 10. Pudin Basi  |  July 23, 2015 at 12:41 pm

    Melayu bodoh ni bila mampus biarkan saja , jangan diuruskan , jangan siapa pun orang melayu/Islam sembahyangkan. Suruh bini dia min tak tolong kat kaumCina kafir!

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  • 11. Sarah  |  July 23, 2015 at 12:45 pm

    Helen

    You have to understand Zahid to understand why he is the way he is now. He lost support from the Malay when he left UMNO. Still he gotten a few supporters but lost it when he opened his mouth supporting a few issues back then.

    Now without a clear road how to proceed with his political career and with a failure of his political party he’s trying to astablish, he is searching for a new path to revive his political career.

    He’s will write anything to stay relaven but if you look at all his writings he don’t have a depths. He even clueless what the Malay wanted right now.

    Ignore him Helen. Even your point of views get more support than he is. It should told you something about him right?;) ;)

    :]sarah

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    • 12. Temple of Wisdom  |  July 23, 2015 at 2:46 pm

      I agree with you Sarah. He is a lost soul searching for a shelter to lift him up again politically. When the situation is ripe, I am not surprise he will ultimately join GHB, a New Hope to hopelessness.

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    • 13. Ebyre  |  July 24, 2015 at 9:51 am

      I agree with you Sarah…he lost direction and irrelevant. More incline to be penjilat whoever backside to stay relevant. Same will go to those GHB group in near future..will soon be penjilat tegar in making.

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  • 14. alwieabdullah  |  July 23, 2015 at 2:59 pm

    “This Government is not only corrupt but espouses racial hatred as part of its philosophy”…..kata zaid?

    Helen, gomen yang kita ada hari ini tidak pernah ada falsafah membenci lain-lain kaum waima gomen yang ada ini melayu.

    bukti: gomen melayu ini tidak pernah sekalipun memaksa kaum2 lain untuk hanya terima satu jenis sekolah. malah dibantulain2 kaum untuk bina sekolah aliran masing2. budaya lain2 kaum pun tak pernah diusik, tak pernah dibangkang.

    gomen melayu terlampau inilah jugak yang tak benarkan orang melayu ‘menjentik’ sikitpun hak dan keperluan lain-lain kaum. kalau dibuat juga, alamat ke ‘dalam’lah.

    sikapgomen melayu terlampau inilah yang sesekali membikin sentap hati orang melayu…yang boleh dilihat dan dirasai dalam beberapa tahun kebelakangan ini…

    walhal, kaum lain yang begitu bebas dalam negara bergomen melayu ini sudah menjadi telunjuk yang menusuk mata sendiri… sudah menjadi kera di hutan yang disusukan… lalu terhasillah kaum yang tidak reti bersyukur dan membawa sikap seperti belanda diberi tanah…tak cukup sebetis, sepaha dituntutnya….

    tetapi, apa pulak kata si zaid ni? terbalik pulak dituduhnya gomen melayu yang ada sebagai korup dan mengamalkan falsafah membenci kaum lain?

    apalah bengap sangat loyar sorang yang dah buruk ni?

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  • 15. tebing tinggi  |  July 23, 2015 at 3:04 pm

    He had reach the other side of the bridge ,and he has throw his tongkat .
    Zahid is not alone ,the G25 are just the same . Malays are Malays and Tun M is very correct in saying ,Melayu mudah lupa.

    Isn’t Lim Kit Siang should be honer with more respect ,he never change all these years .

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  • 16. Urb  |  July 23, 2015 at 3:19 pm

    I especially like the pic where ISMA president holds up the keris.

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    • 17. islam1st  |  July 23, 2015 at 7:42 pm

      ISMA unlike UMNO does not afraid to mengaku Islam and unlike PAS tak malu nak mengaku Melayu!

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      • 18. Urb  |  July 23, 2015 at 7:48 pm

        And ISMA doesn’t have to apologize to anyone for holding up the keris..unlike some people..

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  • 20. Setem  |  July 23, 2015 at 4:18 pm

    Helen – do you still have the old picture (1960’s) of the late Lee Kuan Yew donning a songkok carrying a big fake smile and surrounded by grinning Malays?

    I would like to pass that picture to GHB fellas, and to Zaid.

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    • 21. Helen Ang  |  July 23, 2015 at 4:49 pm

      LKY pix HERE.

      However, the photo below is more contemporary and equally apt.

      null

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  • 22. beastofburden  |  July 23, 2015 at 4:20 pm

    “‘ DAP is generous”‘

    Please refer to Lee Kwan Yew

    Like the evangelist wtho preach give give give and you will receive 10x over.

    At the end of the day when your eating crumbs the you will fell what their true generosity feels like

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  • 23. calvinsankaran  |  July 23, 2015 at 4:21 pm

    Zaid has his own agenda – he craves for power and hopes that he can be the leader if Pakatan takes over the govt. He has been making all sort of statements and sound bytes that the Chinese love to hear. That he has a column in the Star is a dead giveaway.

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    • 24. islam1st  |  July 23, 2015 at 7:49 pm

      ‘Chinese love to hear’

      Thus the highly patronizing commentary by leericky ‘…I also think that you are one the best Malay politician’

      What, the non-functioning (zero jawatan) jilat buntot Cina type is one of the best one around?! Are you kidding me leericky? Must be RBA’s at work!

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    • 25. shamshul anuar  |  July 23, 2015 at 9:39 pm

      Calvinsankaran,

      The more Zaid demonises UMNO(meaning the malay led govt) the more he loses support from Malay community. Not that he has significant support from the Malays to begin with.

      The much publicized GHB is without support from vast majority of Malays. The Malay votes go to UMNO or PAS.

      GHB to contest in Malay areas?. Even with PAS support , Mohd Sabu lost 3 times consecutively.The malays simply have had enough of his antics.

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      • 26. calvinsankaran  |  July 24, 2015 at 12:21 am

        Zaid knows he has almost no support among the Malays so that’s why he’s making all sorts of statements to please the Chinese. He knows that DAP needs Malay Ali Babas to serve as figureheads so he’s fishing very hard.

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        • 27. EVLee  |  July 24, 2015 at 5:45 pm

          re: ” … so he’s fishing very hard”
          After being here, then there and now … somewhere but nowhere … He seems more fishy than fishing itself.

          re: ” … sound bytes that the Chinese love to hear” + ” … all sorts of statements to please the Chinese”
          For his case, that maybe part of the underlying meaning to be a liberalist here, in Malaysia.

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  • 28. Where's the Justice  |  July 24, 2015 at 7:49 am

    Malaysia is a hard fix. The real issue which is almost impossible to sort out is the two different ideologies that have polarised the country.

    You have the liberals, made up of people like Zahid, liberal Malays and the vast majority of non bumis who prioritise economic policies/development as their main objective. On the other hand, we have have the traditional/conservative Malays, who identify the championing of race and religion as their main criteria in selecting a government.

    What’s concerning is the gap between the two ideologies is getting larger. When the gap is large enough, there is going to be a clash, and I for one hope to be out of the country by then.

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    • 29. Helen Ang  |  July 24, 2015 at 8:16 am

      re: “and I for one hope to be out of the country by then”

      Boat to Tasmania along with the Madame?

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    • 30. islam1st  |  July 24, 2015 at 9:18 am

      ‘I for one hope to be out of the country by then.’

      What have kept you waiting then?

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      • 31. shamshul anuar  |  July 24, 2015 at 5:06 pm

        Where is the justice,

        by all mean, migrate if that is your wish. anyone stopping you?

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        • 32. islam1st  |  July 24, 2015 at 7:06 pm

          Entah, sendiri cakap mau BERAMBUS lepas tu bila orang sokong suruh buat the obvious, butthurt pula kat bawah!

          Typical pendatangs behaviour, with them nothing is ever sufficient!

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    • 33. HH  |  July 24, 2015 at 9:49 am

      Where’s the justice

      You hit the nail on the head.

      It seems no one is taking you up on the crux of your contention.

      Perhaps it is an acknowledgement of sorts but no one is keen to go there because it will likely steer the rhetorics away from sneaky Christans, DAP bullies and Islam under siege.

      Lol

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      • 34. Helen Ang  |  July 24, 2015 at 10:07 am

        It looks like the harlequin (your ID avatar) has been “lol”-ing too hard that you missed how we, i.e. commenters here, already clarified “the crux of [WtJ’s] contention” long ago.

        But for jesters (a harlequin is a clown from Renaissance-era comedies) like you who are too busy laughing to note, I’ll walk you through it again.

        WtJ is saying (quote),

        “On the other hand, we have have the traditional/conservative Malays, who identify the championing of race and religion as their main criteria in selecting a government. What’s concerning is the gap between the two ideologies is getting larger. When the gap is large enough, there is going to be a clash, and I for one hope to be out of the country by then.”

        (a) “Conservative” Malays are the majority. Umno and PAS are heading towards unity, glued together by the likes of power brokers such as Isma and Perkasa. So they’re going to be an even bigger majority.

        (b) “the gap between the two ideologies is getting larger” – absolutely. There was never such a huge gap between MCA and Umno as there is between PAS and DAP. And now the Islamist party and the evangelical party are treating each other like enemies after the acrimonious divorce.

        (c) “When the gap is large enough, there is going to be a clash” – so what else is new? Haven’t the Christians and the Muslims been at each other’s throat since the days of the Crusades and Perang Salib?

        As for our current day, we don’t have to look far. We just need to peer over our neighbour’s fence at the religious conflict hotspots in Indonesia. It was only a few days ago that the Christians in Papua rioted and razed a mosque in the Tolikara district.

        But of course being the sneaky bastards that the evangelistas are, you baling batu sorok tangan while the poor Cina Bukit is left to pick up the can / suffer the backlash.

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        • 35. Helen Ang  |  July 24, 2015 at 11:04 am

          re: “a harlequin is a clown from Renaissance-era comedies”

          Joker is a better word. Like the J-card in a deck of playing cards. The Joker wears harlequin costume.

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          • 36. islam1st  |  July 24, 2015 at 6:33 pm

            Helen, you are too kind. We should just biar ‘luncai terjun dengan labu-labunya’!

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        • 37. HH  |  July 24, 2015 at 3:01 pm

          Does being conservative meant a complete overhaul on the foundation in which the spirit of the Malaysian Constitution is founded upon?

          Zero tolerance and zero global competitiveness?

          Quote: (a) “Conservative” Malays are the majority. Umno and PAS are heading towards unity, glued together by the likes of power brokers such as Isma and Perkasa. So they’re going to be an even bigger majority.

          Sure, a bigger majority at the expense of UMNO. The one trumping on the Islamic high ground invoking higher calling has dominion over the other. The only common ground between UMNO and PAS is race. But since the Malay race in this country and Islam are interlink and to separate the two an almost impossibility, thus the perceived notion the 2 is a better match than a DAP-PAS alliance.

          Fact is a religious polity like PAS should never have a place in a multi racial country like Malaysia. PR was courting trouble flirting with PAS. Their breaking up was good. The best check and balance in administration is the presence of a formidable opposition. If now UMNO wants to have a go at PAS, they are just asking for trouble.

          Having said that, with the breaking up of PR, it makes little sense for UMNO to go into an alliance with PAS now.

          Quote: There was never such a huge gap between MCA and Umno as there is between PAS and DAP. And now the Islamist party and the evangelical party are treating each other like enemies after the acrimonious divorce.

          Political parties who make religion their core agenda are at odds with everyone who do not exhalt their faith or idealogy. Of course that is not exactly the ‘idealogical differences’ commentator WTJ talked about. A little sneaky diversion as usual to lead away from the crux of WTJ’s posed dilemma (on idealogical differences) – Malays that [prioritise economic policies/development as their main objective] vs those who [who identify the championing of race and religion as their main criteria in selecting a government.]

          As for the mosque incident in Papua involving the rioting Christians, you had brought it up before on another thread. A lapse in your [photograpic memory] (sic) or simply having a hard time yielding more results from your google search on ‘Christian offensives’?

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      • 40. Where's the Justice  |  July 24, 2015 at 10:31 am

        It’s so bleeding obvious isn’t it, HH. But I guess playing the blame game and creating an imaginary enemy is an easier route for a lot of people to take.

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    • 43. shamshul anuar  |  July 24, 2015 at 5:15 pm

      Where is the Justice,

      People like Zaid or Saifuddin are not supported by the vast majority of Malays. Yet these are the people hailed as “liberals(meaning progressive) in comparison to conservative Malays(meaning “mundur”) from the viewpoint of DAP.

      “traditional/Conservative malays who identify the championing of race…..”

      why on earth the Malays would want to vote for racist DAP to lead the government. who are the morons who would want to vote for DAP when it is clear DAP is hostile to the Malays.

      Besides the norm on this planet dictates that people would choose from their race and religion to lead the government. Surely you cant expect a Malay to be the PM of Singapore or a Muslim as President of USA.

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      • 44. islam1st  |  July 24, 2015 at 6:54 pm

        Abang SA depa ni saja nak buli kita bila kita tak sokong depa, depa kata kita tak berfikiran ke depan, terbuka, progressif.

        Bodoh! Siapa yang tak pentingkan ekonomi? Tapi dalam pada tu Melayu pun tak semua bodoh nak bagi sokongan kat parti anti Melayu dan anti Islam macam DAP!

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        • 45. shamshul anuar  |  July 24, 2015 at 9:52 pm

          islam1st,

          hanya bila kita sujud pada mereka( macam Mohd Sabu ikut telunjuk mereka) maka barulah kita dianggap “progressive”.

          Kalau kita menitik beratkan aurat, enggan bertolak ansur isu “allah”, menyeru pada perpaduan sesama Umat nabi dan sentiasa ingatkan melayu akan bahaya dengar fitnah dari fasik maka kita akan dianggap kolot.

          Reply
  • 46. wawe  |  July 24, 2015 at 8:56 am

    W.t. Justice
    You will not even be allowed to approach the Tasmanian shore.
    The Tasmanian devil will shoo you out at sea.
    Btw, I met a Tasmanian at an open house organized by a minister. He was really impressed with the spirit of ‘unity’, warmth and kindness portrayed by the hosts and guests there and wanted to go to a ‘kampong’ to get a more authentic experience.
    If, even a Tasmanian could appreciate the Eid-spirit, why not the evangalists here? He even refused to eat more than he could consume, a diet-conscious person, unlike those yellows who went away ‘tapau-ing’ the rendang and goodies.

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    • 47. Where's the Justice  |  July 24, 2015 at 9:08 am

      I already have NZ Pr bro, due to my parents living there many moons ago. Can cabut if things get messy. Of course I would rather be based in Malaysia, but things are looking bleak atm.

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      • 48. Helen Ang  |  July 24, 2015 at 9:14 am

        re: “I already have NZ Pr”

        So do the Christian Firsters.

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        • 49. Where's the Justice  |  July 24, 2015 at 10:15 am

          Common sense should tell you that there’s a lot of factors that keep people in a place. Family ties, work, cultural ties etc. Coupled with whether or not your kids will be able to adapt to a new place makes the decision even harder. You telling everyone to leave and surrender their IC’s when they have grievances against Malaysia is a very simplistic approach.

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          • 50. Helen Ang  |  July 24, 2015 at 10:23 am

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            • 51. Where's the Justice  |  July 24, 2015 at 10:34 am

              I don’t speak any of the Chinese dialects and am not Chinese, so am not sure why you posted that.

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              • 52. Helen Ang  |  July 24, 2015 at 10:45 am

                Oh, I was under the impression that you were Chinese. My bad.

                The song is about home, belonging.

                Reply
  • 53. Where's the Justice  |  July 24, 2015 at 10:16 am

    Above post was meant for Islam1st.

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    • 54. islam1st  |  July 24, 2015 at 7:04 pm

      ‘Common sense should tell you that there’s a lot of factors that keep people in a place. Family ties, work, cultural ties etc. Coupled with whether or not your kids will be able to adapt to a new place makes the decision even harder.’

      Exactly. The same can be said about those Malays who chose not to vote for the DAP and their proxies. A lot of things at stake too. Most importantly ‘akidah’. Why can’t you guys respect that? Common sense works both ways, no?

      ‘You telling everyone to leave and surrender their IC’s when they have grievances against Malaysia is a very simplistic approach.’

      You telling everyone to ‘leave’ BN and vote for DAP instead when they have grievances against Malaysia is a very simplistic approach too, don’t you think?

      WtJ, where’s you common sense on that?

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      • 55. shamshul anuar  |  July 24, 2015 at 9:54 pm

        islam1st,

        Common sense is an alien concept to DAP.

        Reply

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