Size does matter – a yardstick for Himpunan Maruah Melayu

September 7, 2015 at 4:36 am 37 comments

For bragging rights – “my rally is bigger than your rally” – and to preserve the dignity of the Melayus, the Tanah Tumpahnya Darahku Sept 16 counter demo should at least have a minimum threshold of participants.

Kalau tidak, malu lah – see Zam’s tweet below.

I’ll do the math on how many Malays need to show up in red T-shirts to save Umno some face.

Hannah Maria cropBersih chairman – the ultra kiasu Maria Chin Abdullah (right) – claims that her protest attracted 500,000 participants. She’s clearly bullshitting. I’ll give her one-tenth of her outlandish claim. Let’s say 50,000.

Something like 85 percent (rough estimate) of the Bersih 4.0 protesters were Chinese. That’s 42,500.

Most of those attending the Bersih rally were from Selangor and the Federal Territory albeit the diehard DAP supporters had also made their way from outstation to KL for the event.

So let’s have a look at the Klang Valley demographics.

Selangor population 2014

KL population 2014

There are 1,504,200 Chinese in Selangor and 665,600 in the Federal Territory of Kuala Lumpur.

Altogether there are 2,169,800 Chinese living in the Klang Valley.

Possibly some 42,500 Chinese turned out for Bersih 4.0. This 42.5k figure is equal to 1.96 percent of the Klang Valley’s Chinese population. But let’s round it up to two percent for convenience.

Hannah Bersih 4

Next we’ll crunch the numbers in order to set a benchmark for the Malays.

There are 3,069,700 Malays in Selangor and 694,600 in the Federal Territory of Kuala Lumpur.

Altogether there are 3,764,300 Malays living in the Klang Valley.

Matching the ratio of Chinese turnout for Bersih 4.0 will require at least two percent of the 3.76 million Klang Valley Malays to take to the streets. The magic number is 75,286. You all have a bigger population pool to draw from, okay.

Ambiga with Hannah Yeoh

Expecting the Malay NGOs and Umno to muster 75k supporters to take part in the planned Himpunan Maruah Melayu is a bridge too far. I’m not sure they can manage to rustle up 7,500 demonstrators even – a lowly target at that.

In fact, I anticipate the Sept 16 “Hidup Melayu!” project to fizzle out like several other gempak by the Red Shirts previously.

Now why are Malaysians so dismissive of attaching any street cred to Umno?

BELOW: DAP Yang Berhormats line up in a row to support Bersih 4.0

DAP Bersih 4.0 pc

The difference between the Yellow Shirts and the Red Shirts is this – there is greater public trust in the opposition and a “trust deficit” moreover where Umno is concerned.

This is because DAP delivers. The Dapsters are solidly united in their commitment to the cause whereas Umno cybertroopers (Tun’s camp vs Najib’s camp) are more preoccupied with ‘killing’ each other.

Bersih 4 Dapster family sloganless

Despite police declaring the Aug 30 rally illegal and banning yellow T-shirts bearing the ‘Bersih’ legend, we were still confident that the oppo-aligned rally would nonetheless proceed on its scheduled date.

In other words, we trusted that Yellow Shirts would carry out what they promised to do while with the Red Shirts, there is already the tried-and-tested (or proven) expectation that they will U-turn from their chest-thumping public avowals.

After the roof tile-breaking display recently by their silat (or whatever) group, the Red Shirts quietly withdrew from staging a counter demo to Bersih 4.0 during the Merdeka weekend.

It is the same story over the past Bersihs. In 2011, Ibrahim Ali had similarly proclaimed that his Perkasa members would counter Bersih 2.0. Quite predictably, the Kelantan loudmouth called off his threat when D-Day came around.


Recommended read:

Perkasa needs a new president


Red ShirtHere’s one indication that the Himpunan Maruah Melayu will be a damp squib going by the Red Shirts’ unimpressive track record.

The Bersih 4.0 T-shirts were flying off the shelves until the vendors ran out of yellow.

Bersih’s simple logo design makes its iconic T-shirt easily recognizable. On the other hand, have you seen the Maruah Melayu T-shirt (picture right) ere this?

The contrast in the level of promo and publicity between the Yellows and the Reds is a testimony to the better organizing skills of the Bersih committee as well as the RBA’s tentacles gripping social media.

In comparison, the Red Shirts campaign is all caca marba.

Federal Territories Umno Youth chief Razlan Rafii (2014 file pix below) promised Maria Chin that he and his boys will face-off her Yellow Shirts when they do Bersih 5.0 in future.

Yes, you read correctly. Umno Youth FT pledge to take action when Bersih FIVE (!) rolls around … ROTFL.

Razlan Rafii
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  • 1. Heff  |  September 7, 2015 at 7:40 am

    Hi Helen,

    You might be right on this one.

    Anyway, I would like to take this opportunity to invite all Malay readers of Helen’s blog to participate in the 16th Sept rally.

    Just turn up at Bukit Bintang area. We really should see for ourselves what is so fun about standing in the street in the heat.

    Regardless of who you support, just show up. I hate Najib and his bootlicking lackeys with a passion, and my being there just might be used to show “support” for him, but nevertheless I would like to join the rally, and I hope all Malay readers of this fine blog would participate as well.

    Helen, please be so kind so as to publish this invitation. Thank you :)

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  • 2. RINA  |  September 7, 2015 at 8:01 am

    La aaa
    Maria Chin Abdullah, Ambiga dan DAP dok kalut kira lagi ke?

    Haiyaaa Amma Appa….Kalau 2,500 votes pun depa tersasau taktau kira, silap kira, bayangkan 80K, 100K apatah lagi 500K! Jual barang pun semlat selit tiruan, fake, clon, ciplak, lombengan (yesterday I just learnt a new word from Ahso pasar), gelap mali…

    Haiyaaaa lagipun malu sama generasi sikalang… satu video pun bole lapat 1,200,000,000 ini satu negala punya olang tua2 sekadar lapat limpun 500,000 olang saja….

    T-shirt merah?. Sedekah duit tu belikan sekok dua lembu, ayam dan kambing dan adakan kenduri beramai2 di kawasan masing2.

    Sambutan pada hari raya korban begitu mulia lagi bermakna bagi ummat Islam. Lepaih solat.. Sambil menunaikan Korban adakan gotong royong masak dan makan beramai2.

    Satu kampung dapat turut serta melibatkan diri. Apakan lagi hari2 tersebut cuti sekolah pulak tu. Nenek, Atok cucu cicit pun bole turut serta. Ini adalah cara dan budaya hidup masyarakan Melayu Islam.

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  • 3. Cikgu Kampong  |  September 7, 2015 at 9:57 am

    Hi helen dan followers tegar,
    Cikgu amat hargai kupasan serta observation Helen dalam blog ini. Dah lama cikgu tak komen. Izinkan Cikgu komen sikit dalam bahasa Kebangsaan yakni Bahasa Melayu.

    Program Perhimpunan Maruah Melayu (PMM) mahupun Bersih 4.0 akan gagal jika dihijack oleh Politikus Korup dari UMNO, PKR, DAP, GHB/PAN, MCA dll. Biar rakyat bangkit dengan nada rakyat melalui NGO_NGO yang mempunyai kredibilti dan integriti, bukan dipolitikkan isu-isu yang memualkan rakyat.

    Bila foto kepala Najib dan Tuan Guru dipijak, barulah Melayu nak bangkit kononya maruah tergadai. Lepas ni dalam PMM, akan berlaku pulak kes Melayu pijak foto LKS, LGE, MC, Ambiga dan Cina Chauvanis/komunis DAP. Nampak sangat ahli politik dan penyokong mereka sama-sama bebal dan tidak matang. Kesannya, rakyat sama-sama diperbodohkan.

    Bila nak selesai masalah? Patutnya ada masalah selesaikan bukan menambah lagi masalah…..

    Matlamat PMM tidak jelas, sementara matlamat Bersih caca merba dengan pelbagai isu yang tidak fokus. JIka matlamat nak jatuhkan Najib, tidak perlulah kutuk Melayu dan para ulama’, apatah lagi pijak “kepala mereka”. Usah tunjukkan ciri-ciri Cina Chauvanis dan komunis yang membuat hati Melayu membara dan membenci.

    Buatlah Perhimpunan yang mempunyai high impact ke atas Kedaulatan Tanah Melayu ini. Kalau PMM sekadar nak tunjuk ramainya Melayu, ianya tiada kesan ke atas politik Melayu. Sekadar acah-acah dan syok sendiri dan pastinya majoriti adalah orang2 UMNO. Maka PMM akan gagal. Lebih2 lagi gunakan baju T warna Merah yang agak sinonim dengan UMNO. Kenapa tidak warna lain?

    Jika PMM berani, cikgu cabar PMM minta Najib turun dengan cara terhormat. Itu kehendak majoriti Melayu sekarang ini. Biar Melayu yang minta Najib turun dan digantikan pemimpin Melayu yang mempunyai integriti yang lebih tinggi. Tetapi janganlah sampai pijak gambar Najib dan Rosmah. Hormatilah Najib sebagai PM yang dilantik melalui proses demokrasi.

    Hakikatnya, Melayu tidak perlukan Cina-Cina DAP chauvanis yang selfish dan kurang ajar untuk mencorakkan masa depan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu dan Malaysia tercinta ini. Cina-Cina DAP ini hanya membesarkan jurang kehidupan harmoni yang pernah kita rasai sebelum ini.

    Namun cikgu percaya, Dengan rahmat dan kasih sayang ALLAH, Najib akan turun sebagai PM dengan cara terhormat. Usahlah kita menghukum Najib hanya kerana berita fitnah (jika tiada fakta konkrit) dan Najib juga perlu lebih transparent dan accountable di dalam urusan khususnya isu berkait 1MDB, RM2.6b dan isu-isu rakyat.

    Cikgu Kampong
    Sekadar pandangan orang kampong.

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    • 4. drinho  |  September 8, 2015 at 8:54 am

      Cikgu,

      Pijak gambar Najib & Hadi. Adakah ini jenayah? Ia sememangnya biadap tetapi bukan jenayah. Mengapa polis siasat perbuatan kebiadapan? Lain kali, kalau sesiapa pijak gambar saya adakah saya boleh buat laporan polis supaya tindakan undang-undang boleh diambil?w

      Lagipun, polis amat pilih kasih dalam insiden pijak gambar. Mengapa tiada tindakan polis diambil terhadap orang yang kencing gambar Nik Aziz, pijak gambar Lim Kit Siang/Guan Eng, kumpulan orang yang membuat senaman punggung di hadapa rumah Ambiga dan orang yang membakar patung Maria Chin?

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      • 5. Cikgu Kampong  |  September 8, 2015 at 10:57 pm

        Drinho,
        cikgu ni orang lama. Cikgu dapat merasai bezanya Cina dulu dgn Cina skrg. (Maaf ye Helen..). Cina tahun 60an, 70an, 80an lebih beradab dan boleh hidup semeja dgn Melayu, India dan Sikh. Tidak nampak ketara budaya kurang ajar walaupun gengster Cina mmg wujud. Sikap kurang ajar bukan Cina sahaja, Melayu dan India lebih kurang sama. Cuma kurang ajar Cina khususnya Cina DAP sudah tersangat melampau dan tidak nampak Cina baik-baik menegur Cina pelampau ni. Mungkin Cina yang baik baik buat tak kisah atau takut. Bila Melayu tegur, mrk kata rasis.

        Pijak foto kepala pemimpin bukanlah jenayah, tetapi menunjukkan betapa buruknya sikap seseorang. Bila akhlaq dan moral sesuatu bangsa dan generasi mudanya teruk, maka bangsa tersebut ada masalah besar. Ada penyakit yg sukar dirawat, yang akan mengundang penyakit lain.

        Cikgu selalu menekankan agar sama2 bersatu hati membina negara dan keharmonian kaum, bukan berterusan mencari salah kerajaan atau DS Najib. Pemimpin Cina perlu memainkan peranan keharmonian, bukan meracuni pemikiran bangsa Cina khususnya anak2 muda Cina membenci apa sahaja yg dikaitkan dgn Islam dan Melayu.

        Pemimpin2 Cina khususnya DAP perlu berubah jika mahu Melayu berubah. Cintailah orang Melayu, sebagaimana Melayu menyayangi Cina dan mengizinkan hidup aman dan mewah di Tanah Melayu. Jangan terus berlakon dan hipokrit sebab kesabaran orang Melayu ada batasnya. Maka tidak mustahil 500k Melayu akan hadir 16 Sept ini.

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        • 6. drinho  |  September 17, 2015 at 9:11 am

          Cikgu,

          Saya setuju pijak gambar itu memang kurang ajar. Tapi jelas, ia bukan jenayah. Tugas polis adalah menyiasat perlakuan jenayah, bukannya perlakuan kurang ajar. Boleh bayangkan betapa sibuknya polis jika terpaksa menyiasat perbuatan kurang ajar di Malaysia? Lagipun, undang-undang adalah saksama. Jika pijak gambar adalah ‘salah’, maka membakar patung dan menjalani upacara pengebumian untuk LKS and LGE adalah ‘lebih besar kesalahannya’. Status Najib dan LKS/LGE adalah sama rata di sisi undang-undang. Polis tidak harus pilih kasih.

          Kalau parti DAP nak biadap dengan Melayu, kita susah nak kawal. Yang penting adalah polis mesti bebas dari pengaruh politik. Parti politik akan buat apa yang mungkin untuk tarik undi. Termasuk perbuatan yang memudaratkan negara. Tetapi, badan kerajaan seperti polis, SPRM, kehakiman dsb mestilah bebas. Barulah negara akan aman kerana tindakan akan diambil terhadap mana-mana pihak yang menyalahi undang-undang. Tindakan polis dalam konteks Bersih4 lwn Himpunan Melayu dan siasat pijak gambar Najib lwn bakar patung LGE/LKS menunjukkan sikap pilih kasih yang amat ketara.

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  • 7. islam1st  |  September 7, 2015 at 10:29 am

    ‘Federal Territories Umno Youth chief Razlan Rafii (2014 file pix below) promised Maria Chin that he and his boys will face-off her Yellow Shirts when they do Bersih 5.0 in future.’

    The guy was actually talking to ahjibgor while busy kenyit mata at his Pemuda boss!

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  • 8. Survivor  |  September 7, 2015 at 10:59 am

    This classic Mandarin song sums up Najib’s call to the Chinese community.

    After over 20 years this number still touches the heart.

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  • 9. islam1st  |  September 7, 2015 at 1:13 pm

    ‘Does race matter?’

    http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/opinion/khoo-ying-hooi/article/does-race-matter

    ‘It is a fact that we are living in a heterogeneous society. The question is, does it matter?’

    I dunno Khoo, you tell me, you the Cina one, hoh?

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  • 10. calvinsankaran  |  September 7, 2015 at 2:22 pm

    I got to share this hilarious story that my fellow Chinese…ooops…Malaysian are proudly sharing in the social media. It goes like this.

    ——————————
    I this is a Chinese gathering, then the Chinese are very adorable people
    If the Chinese come revolting, they have come with very good reasons

    if this is a Chinese rebellion, then only the Chinese worry where the nation is leading to

    If there are no others but Chinese in this historic event, the others should be full of shame

    For it is the Chinese who value ,truth freedom and justice

    The honour lies with the Chinese.

    But this is a truly Malaysian event.

    Ali Abd Rahman
    JB
    ————————————–

    I was literally fell out of the chair laughing on the sheer “shiok sendiri” behaviour of the Chinese and the writer’s piss poor grammar.
    .
    The writer supposedly a Malay and not even a fool will believe this spin. The story really shows how out of touch with reality the Chinese is today, brainwashed by DAP and the social media.

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  • 11. sampuna  |  September 7, 2015 at 2:45 pm

    helen, a Buddhist are you? playing the racial cards is a big no no in our Dhamma ethics. kamsiah. go to a nearby temple for reeducation.

    Lord Buddha’s timeless message echoes ” Conquer the liar with truth, the stingy with generosity” ~ Dhammapada.

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    • 12. Helen Ang  |  September 7, 2015 at 2:56 pm

      Absolutely.

      Fitnah is the middle name of the ‘Sneaky F. Bastards’. Up to you to figure who are the culprits but if you’re trying to insist that there is no ‘race’ (Chinese) dimension to Bersih 4.0, then I suggest you reexamine your capacity for truth-telling.

      I’m certain you need the reeducation far more than I do. When you’re making your way to a temple, don’t mistakenly get sidetracked into a RM2 evangelical church yah.

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      • 13. sampuna  |  September 8, 2015 at 11:33 am

        Helen, for Dhamma sake, go attend a Dhamma talk or two. It will do you good. You know what you are doing here. You are adult enough to distinguish between good and evil. The pen is mightier than the sword. One evil sentence is enough to land oneself in a very punishing self-inflicted state a.k.a – hell. Try for once to write, putting the 5 precepts before you. I’m sure there’ll be a 360 degree change in your writing.

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        • 14. Helen Ang  |  September 8, 2015 at 11:57 am

          re: “Helen, for Dhamma sake, go attend a Dhamma talk or two. It will do you good.”

          Sampuna, for Dharma’s sake, go enrol yourself in rehab. It will do you good to detox from your oppo political indoctrination.

          re: “You know what you are doing here.”

          Likewise they knew what they were doing when they launched the Chinese Tsunami 2.0 to grab power and cunningly couching is as a Malaysian movement for clean government. Who – which race – are the biggest givers of bribes in Malaysia? “Anti-corruption” my foot.

          re: “You are adult enough to distinguish between good and evil.”

          The evangelistas insist that Malays are wicked and the Muslims here are becoming Taliban and ISIS.
          Well, let’s see.

          re: “The pen is mightier than the sword. One evil sentence is enough to land oneself in a very punishing self-inflicted state a.k.a – hell.”

          Spoken like an evangelista. You’re too hell obsessed.

          re: “Try for once to write, putting the 5 precepts before you.”

          Why don’t you get yourself back on the third of the eight-fold noble paths, and strive to be honest and avoid colluding in the opposition lies and bluff.

          re: “I’m sure there’ll be a 360 degree change in your writing.”

          Turning 360-degrees will only lead you back to your point of origin – see chart below. I’m confident of where I stand even if I belong to the mere 10 percent.

          If you’re really a Buddhist, you can learn to let go of your anger and resentment. You don’t have to buy into the politics of hate peddled by the DAP evangelistas – even if they’re your race. Are you not a Malaysian ‘First’?

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    • 15. JoelH  |  September 7, 2015 at 6:15 pm

      Helen Ang is the Ultra Kiasu Rhiduan’s long lost cousin..

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      • 16. Helen Ang  |  September 7, 2015 at 6:27 pm

        And Ridhuan still tried to spare a kind word for all the victims of the evangelista uber haters.

        His Sinar Harian column yesterday was hedalined, ‘Jangan benci kerana dia Cina’.

        He wrote:
        “Racun-racun kebencian terhadap kerajaan yang ditanam oleh ultra kiasu dalam minda kaum Cina di negara ini hanya akan merosakkan nama orang dan kaum Cina yang tidak bersalah.

        Ramai rakan WhatsApp saya begitu benci dengan orang Cina selepas Bersih 4.0, sehingga sanggup mengeluarkan kata-kata tersangat kesat. Saya respons, Islam tidak mengajar kita benci sebegini.

        Jangan benci orang Cina kerana dia Cina. Orang Cina juga adalah makhluk jadian ALLAH. Mereka adalah khalifah seperti kita juga.”

        http://www.sinarharian.com.my/kolumnis/ridhuan-tee-abdullah/jangan-benci-kerana-dia-cina-1.427904

        DAP evangelistas like Hannah Yeoh are anger mongers. DAP is synonymous with the politics of hate. They have done nothing but sown hatred.

        He is also correct to say that innocent Chinese now have to pay the price for the lethal poison spread by the venomous and power-hungry DAP evangelistas.

        The Red Shirts are not marching because they’re angry at the 10 percent Chinese like me. They’re marching because they’re angry at the Chinese bogeyman created by the grasping behaviour of the greedy DAP.

        Seven generations of Chinese will curse you all for what you’ve done in the pursuit of power, privilege, position and Prada.

        Like Ridhuan said, and it’s true, the other races hate the Chinese because of the actions of the DAP. The MCA has finally come out and today admitted this, see https://helenang.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/mca-definitely-dead-man-walking-bye/

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        • 17. drinho  |  September 8, 2015 at 8:48 am

          Innocent Chinese pay the price? What price are you talking about?

          Chinese still continue with their businesses, their jobs and attend their schools/colleges. Live pretty much like normal. No real suffering or impact on the financial and political standings of the Chinese.

          Unless you can show real incidences of eg. Chinese schools being shut down, Chinese businesses being closed or massive retrenchment of Chinese workers, there is no ‘price’ that the Chinese is paying.

          Even if there is, it is due to GST, removal of petrol subsidy, weak RM etc that affects all Malaysians irrespective of race.

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          • 18. Helen Ang  |  September 8, 2015 at 8:59 am

            re: “there is no ‘price’ that the Chinese is paying”

            Then DAP and MCA should stop whinging, calling press conferences and making police reports to block Maruah from marching.

            And the Low Yat shops should open for business on Sept 16. Life went on as normal with the peaceful Bersih 4.0 demo and there’s no reason not to expect life to go on as normal with the Maruah protest.

            Why are DAP and MCA reacting like headless chickens? Everything’s hunky dory. Let’s altogether sing Negaraku.

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            • 19. drinho  |  September 8, 2015 at 9:08 am

              Let Maruah march. Tian Chua is right. Marching is constitutional rights. Police should facilitate instead of banning. As much as Maruah has the right to march, MCA and DAP also have the right to complain.

              Low Yat close for one day? What is one day of business closure vs the entire 365 days per year? And what is the significance of Low Yat shops vs the entire businesses owned by Chinese.

              Just because of Low Yat shops have to close for one day, can that justify as ‘Chinese to pay the price’? You are using a very small isolated incident and blow it up to the level as if all the Chinese in Malaysia are suffering.

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              • 20. Helen Ang  |  September 8, 2015 at 10:02 am

                re: “blow it up to the level as if all the Chinese in Malaysia are suffering”

                90 percent of the Chinese support DAP and some/many tahap giler taksub.

                Najib and Umno, understandably, want to hold on to power at all cost. DAP will stop at nothing to grab power.

                PAS is at loggerheads with DAP. So the Chinese-led opposition do not have a huge chunk of Malay votes (Umno, PAS). They may however have the votes of young, urban Malays like Dyana and Rara and those who work for DAP bosses like Azira (aide to Madame Speaker).

                Will the 90 percent Chinese have to “pay a price” for the DAP trying to topple Umno and rule the country? My prognosis is ‘Yes’.

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                • 21. drinho  |  September 8, 2015 at 10:28 am

                  Your Yes prognosis.

                  My questions:-

                  1. When to pay the price?
                  2. How much is the price?
                  3. What is the price?
                  4. Pay to whom (who is the beneficiary)?

                  While I acknowledge your right to make prognosis, I hope that you can make clear your basis/yardstick/calculation here rather than generalising your prognosis like beating around the bush.

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                  • 22. Helen Ang  |  September 8, 2015 at 10:32 am

                    Will revert after Sept 16.

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                    • 23. drinho  |  September 17, 2015 at 9:13 am

                      Helen,

                      Appreciate your reply. Did the Chinese ‘pay’ anything?

                    • 24. Helen Ang  |  September 17, 2015 at 9:36 am

                      Thanks for time lapse in waiting for my reply. Understandably, if I had replied you any earlier, I could have been accused of fear-mongering or inciting.

                      Q. Do I think the Chinese are paying a price for their vociferous and overwhelming support of the DAP?

                      My answer is yes. It’s ‘quantifiable’ – not in exact units but nonetheless can be measured – through the fact of the rally even taking place yesterday.

                      (1) In the past, MCA would have managed to persuade Umno to call off the latter’s support (if not being the hidden hand prime mover themselves) for the rally. Well, not anymore.

                      In the past, there was enough goodwill and toeing the party (BN) line for pro-establishment Malays to vote MCA candidates. Not anymore.

                      What is the status of the relationship between Chinese and Umno Malays? Indifference, on the part of the Malays, so much so that they did not heed the MCA’s S.O.S.

                      (2) What is the status of the relationship between Chinese and PAS Malays? Bad too, due to the acrimonious break-up of DAP and PAS.

                      Now hypothetically, let’s put the PAS Malays in a premise alike to the Umno Malays vis-a-vis the rally. If the Chinese appealed to PAS to put a lid on an escalating tense situation, would PAS respond positively?

                      Let’s take it that yesterday Umno could have stopped the rally from happening in deference to the MCA’s fears but Umno chose not to. What would PAS do under similar circumstances?

                      The DAP’s politics of hate has cost Chinese whatever goodwill we once had with upper echelons of the Malay leadership. This has knock-on consequences.

                    • 25. drinho  |  September 18, 2015 at 9:10 am

                      Helen,

                      Goodwill? Knock-on consequences? How do you measure that objectively?

                      I don’t mean to be materialistic. But I see things objectively. As far as I am concern, no livelihood of Chinese is affected. Life goes on as usual (except the closure of business for one day in the vicinity of rally). I put it this way:-

                      1. Chinese kids still attend school/college as usual (no SJKC or Chinese owned colleges were closed down).
                      2. Chinese adults still go to work as usual.
                      3. Chinese businesses still operate as usual (no closure of Chinese business due to forced takeover by Malays).
                      4. Chinese government servants and employees in GLCs are still in employment.

                      Let me put it this way. Chinese still dare to walk out of the house and do their daily activities. Talking about Chinese overwhelmingly supporting Oppo parties, the trend already started way back in 2008. The same reoccurred in 2013 and we can expect the same to happen again in 2018. Chinese was already prepared to destroy the goodwill with Umno and its Malay supporters.

                      PAS is already getting impatient with Umno on the tabling if hudud bill for implementation in Kelantan. They will know soon that Umno will not table the bill. Not to mention the threat of Amanah in enticing its members and the risk of losing non-Malay votes in the coming election.

                      Let me know if you disagree with my findings above.

                    • 26. Helen Ang  |  September 18, 2015 at 11:37 am

                      re: “Goodwill? Knock-on consequences? How do you measure that objectively?”

                      Fine, if you want to be in denial, then the himpunan baju merah happened because hey, a bunch of Malay guys just felt like wearing red that day.

                      re: “I don’t mean to be materialistic.”

                      But you are. Materialism is the main plank and pattern of your history of comments.

                      re: “But I see things objectively.”

                      I grant that.

                      re: “As far as I am concern, no livelihood of Chinese is affected.”

                      Those in Chinatown and Bukit Bintang clearly affected, including the restaurants that lost their wedding bookings.

                      re: “Life goes on as usual (except the closure of business for one day in the vicinity of rally).”

                      Some still did not open in the day after the rally. And business has slumped for some, e.g. Low Yat.

                      re: “I put it this way:- 1. Chinese kids still attend school/college as usual (no SJKC or Chinese owned colleges were closed down).”

                      Before the 5 May 2013 tsunami, there was no public clamour for vernacular schools to be shut down. The current Education Minister appointed after the recent cabinet reshuffle is an Umno hawk. The newly appointed Communications Minister (Salleh) is more stringent than the previous Communications Minister (Shabery).

                      re: “Chinese adults still go to work as usual.”

                      Petaling Street and Bukit Bintang became ghost towns when normally those who work in the retail trade would have made better business on a public holiday. The fact that the city streets emptied is a quantifiable phenomenon.

                      re: “Chinese businesses still operate as usual (no closure of Chinese business due to forced takeover by Malays).”

                      Business as usual, yeah, and the Whatsapp messages flying around asking the Chinese to stay home and stock on food.

                      re: “Chinese government servants and employees in GLCs are still in employment.”

                      Have you talked to the Chinese government servants and asked them if their environment at work is the same as before 5 May 2013? You make as if an action (tsunami) does not give rise at all to any equal and opposite reaction.

                      re: “Let me put it this way. Chinese still dare to walk out of the house and do their daily activities.”

                      I stayed home on Sept 16 and locked the doors. Many other Chinese did the same. Among the Chinese who were out in the field working were three Chinese reporters harassed on account of their ethnicity.

                      re: “Talking about Chinese overwhelmingly supporting Oppo parties, the trend already started way back in 2008. The same reoccurred in 2013 and we can expect the same to happen again in 2018.”

                      The trend actually started way back in 1959. The Malays fear that its re-occurrence, coupled with other factors, in 2018 will this time really topple the BN.

                      re: “Chinese was already prepared to destroy the goodwill with Umno and its Malay supporters.”

                      I know. The Chinese who voted oppo also know. They’re not so naive as not to expect any backlash. The points of contention are:

                      (1) Will they succeed in their attempted takeover of Putrajaya? Minus Sabah & Sarawak, the oppo can win federal government.

                      (2) What is the extent of the backlash? DAP is deliberately misleading the Chinese in diminishing the real threat, e.g. in the media (favourable to DAP) choosing to demonize the Red Shirts rally and downplaying its size.

                      re: “PAS is already getting impatient with Umno on the tabling if hudud bill for implementation in Kelantan. They will know soon that Umno will not table the bill.”

                      How do you know that the bill will not be tabled? Are you in the BN supreme council?

                      re: “Not to mention the threat of Amanah in enticing its members”

                      If you think Amanah is that strong, then it’s evident that you only read pro-oppo media.

                      re: “and the risk of losing non-Malay votes in the coming election”

                      Hahaha. The 90 percent Chinese votes are rabidly DAP. A good lesson for PAS to lose the semi-urban Chinese votes on loan to them in GE13. At least now the PAS operatives have stopped attacking me for calling out the DAP’s Selendang Squad.

                      re: “Let me know if you disagree with my findings above.”

                      We can ‘agree to to disagree’. This formula has become the convention in both sides of the political divide now. No need ‘consensus’ anymore.

                • 27. kampong lad  |  September 8, 2015 at 11:39 am

                  90% kena bayar, itu adil & saksama. what abt the 10%, kena tempias, collateral damage? how to distingsuish the 90% from the rest?

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                  • 28. Helen Ang  |  September 8, 2015 at 11:59 am

                    re: “how to distingsuish the 90% from the rest?”

                    :D

                    We – the 10 percent – don’t look angry all the time, unlike the anger mongers.

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                  • 29. Helen Ang  |  September 8, 2015 at 12:05 pm

                    TMI reporter Julia Yeow in her pre-Bersih article titled ‘Malaysians, are you angry enough yet?’ had kindly prepared a checklist to guide her fellow opposition supporters on what should enrage them.

                    Quite a number of Anger+Resentment items to be ticked off if you’re a good Bersih participant.

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    • 30. Yatim Mustaffa  |  September 8, 2015 at 11:03 pm

      Sampuna , Dharma Master, you should know. It is pointless to talk to Helen, Maria Chin and even worst still to Si China murtad, Ridwan Tee Abdullah. They are all China Murtad bin and binti Abdullah. Anything going to happen in Malaysia. They must be held responsible to the next 13th May. And the Chinese blood must pay for it. And these type of persons, We must curse them going to hell. These Mat Loh are actually no more Chinese. They are actually masuk Melayu. Some people say They are kacang lupakan kulit dan jadi barua UMNO.
      They won’t listen to Dharma. God give many religions.They only think, ‘only one way’ to go to heaven by convert to Muslim. How misconception they are, instead I am sure by the way their conduct and behaviour, they will surely go to hell. I pity, How can we going to save them. Even Allah can’t tolerate their sins and save them.

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      • 31. Helen Ang  |  September 8, 2015 at 11:23 pm

        re: “Even Allah can’t tolerate their sins and save them.”

        Tolong jangan memperolokkan nama Tuhan yang Maha Esa.

        re: “Yatim Mustaffa”

        Berdosa kamu menyamar Islam, wahai RBA.

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        • 32. Yatim Mustaffa  |  September 9, 2015 at 2:44 pm

          Aku sayangkan engkau, wahai Helen, Bukalah mata dan telingamu serta hatimu sebelum terlambat. Aku ingatkan engkau kerana aku mempunyai ramai kawan-kawan muslimah yang telah menjadi janda kehilangan suami tersayang dan jatuh miskin kedana kerana suami Melayu kebanyakannya main kayu tiga. Bila terjadi baru engkau tahu tinggi rendahnya langit dan bumi ni ciptaan yang Maha kuasa. Hanya Dia yang tahu amal kau orang yang tak baik ini. Dan yang teruknya kau orang ni kebanyakannya mandarin educated yang tidak pernah kenal dan belajar kebaikan dharma, yang kau orang mengaku sebagai agama asal kau orang. Itulah yang menjadikan kepala kau orang ni tak betul.

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          • 33. Helen Ang  |  September 9, 2015 at 4:49 pm

            re: “Aku sayangkan engkau, wahai Helen”

            Creepy Love-Love-Love stalker.

            Reply
            • 34. Yatim Mustaffa  |  September 9, 2015 at 5:45 pm

              Tak ada yang menyeramkan pun kalau dapat 4 isteri. Itu barulah muslim sejati.

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              • 35. Helen Ang  |  September 9, 2015 at 5:52 pm

                You must be a Mormon.

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                • 36. islam1st  |  September 9, 2015 at 11:53 pm

                  Wow si Yatim Mustaffa ni tingginya Dharma dia! Siap datang dengan fitnah dajjal lagi.

                  ‘kerana suami Melayu kebanyakannya main kayu tiga.’

                  Yatim Mustaffa mak kau dulu perempuan simpanan bapa kau ke? Surname dapat pakai ke tak? Malu la dengan ancestor sikit brader. Berpada2 la ye, dah la hijacked identiti Muslim, kau hina Allah pula, kononnya kehendak Allah SWT itu terbatas.

                  Semoga Allah SWT memberikan kau balasan yang setimpal.

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  • 37. drinho  |  September 8, 2015 at 8:43 am

    Wondering what is the no. of attendees will be? Based on previous experiences of Himpunan Sejuta Umat, Low Yat and Petaling church, I doubt there will be tens of thousands. Not to mention the Red Shirt last minute cancellation and the small no. of Perkasa gathering in previous Bersih rallies. It may be no show at all.

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