More displays of Christian love

November 17, 2015 at 3:46 pm 29 comments

Following the attack on Paris, more than half of American Governors are opposing the Obama administration’s attempt to settle Syrian refugees in their states.

Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush said the USA must screen out Syrian refugees who are not Christian.

See, ‘Obama calls idea of screening Syrian refugees based on religion “shameful,” defends White House strategy (The Washington Post, 16 Nov 2015)

USA Syrian refugees

Strongest refusal by Bible Belters

The states rejecting immigrants from Syria are Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Wisconsin.

The majority of the states that are refusing the Syrians are the ones along the USA’s Bible Belt while other states too have vowed to block entry by the immigrants.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, for instance, has signed an executive order instructing state agencies to “take all available steps” to stop any such relocation.

Incidentally, Jindal’s own parents are immigrants from India. Jindal is however a convert to Christianity.

States committing to accept Syrian refugees are California, Washington, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Connecticut and Delaware.

The state of New York is so far quiet on the issue. A few other states are undecided as yet.

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  • 1. Surrhead  |  November 17, 2015 at 5:17 pm

    IS has achieved it’s agenda on creating fear and hatred on fellow moslems. And US has it’s reason to believe that IS might have infiltrated the refugees under guise. And it’s their call, cos it’s their nation. No one should not be expecting USA to practice christian values over security of it’s people.

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  • 2. grkumar  |  November 18, 2015 at 12:00 pm

    Isn’t it odd how no one seems to remember the acts of terrorism by Christians that either were rewarded by decorating the pepetrator or by describing them and their acitons in more benign terms.

    Lt. William Joseph Calley and Timothy McVeigh Killed large numbers of innocents and indiscriminately. They had no real reason other than their dislike for their victims.

    Lt.Calley killed over 500 innocent women children and aged Vietnamese on a suspicion alone in the south Vietnamese hamlet of My Lai. That act became infamously referred to thereafter as the My Lai massacres.

    For that Lt. William Joseph Calley ( A good Irish American Catholic from Texas) was not called a terrorist. He was instead awarded the purple heart by the US government and its army.

    Timothy McVeigh killed over 160 (168) by blowing up a government building in Oaklahoma. He was not referred to as a terrorist. He was executed after a fair open trial.

    None of the suspects in the Paris battles of this war in which the French join others in the west to pit themselves against Arabs were or are likely to be given a fair trial. They will be shot on sight and buried in unmarked graves as they did with the Charlie Hebdou suspects. So much for freedom, democracy, liberty and the “rule of law”.

    Andres Brevik the Norwegian who killed 78 innocent unarmed people single handedly was also never referred to as a terrorist but as someone who is disturbed’disturbed’.

    Dr. Baruch Goldstein who killed 29 Palestinians and wounded 125 in the tomb of the Patriachs in Jerusalem was a medical doctor. He was sworn to protect human life. But he was a Jew. So he can’t be called a terrorist lest you hear 2,000 years of persecution, Holocaust, blood libel and all the other crap that goes with their brutality.

    The man who assassinated Yitzak Rabin Israel’s ‘dove of peace’ and former Prime Minister and war hero is a Jew. He is simply referred to as a religious fanatic and mentally unstable.

    So much for Christian and Jewish charity, their great values they cherish but do not extend to others especially people of colour and other religions.

    Vive la France.

    Onward, Christian soldiers!
    Marching as to war,
    With the cross of Jesus
    Going on before.
    Christ, the royal Master,
    Leads against the foe;
    Forward into battle,
    See his banners go!

    Oh what a tangled web we weave………

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    • 3. Kineas1067  |  November 19, 2015 at 1:29 pm

      So, when Modi’s BJP, RSS and Shiv Sena target Muslims in India, it’s ok? Kosher, even?

      How about Buddhist monks targetting Muslims and Islam in Burma/Myanmar? Or Rajapaksa in Sri Lanka presiding over an environment that set the Sinhalese majority against the Tamil and Muslim minorities? When the same Rajapaksa brutally suppressed the Tamil Tigers, human rights be damned?

      Or, closer to home, how about the threat by Buddhist monks in Thailand to burn down a mosque each time a monk is killed by terrorists?

      What a tangled web we weave indeed, especially when we are being selective about our facts. Or shall we say “delusional”?

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      • 4. grkumar  |  November 20, 2015 at 5:59 am

        They aren’t complaining about what happened in Paris and referring to all Muslims as terrorists. The Christians are.

        Kosher is when you refer to Jews. Not Indians, Burmese, Sinhalese or anyone else outside that coterie of self righteous.

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        • 5. HH  |  November 20, 2015 at 11:12 am

          gkumar

          Quote: They (non Christians) aren’t complaining about what happened in Paris and referring to all Muslims as terrorists. The Christians are.

          Is that an assumption or fact you can substantiate?

          Nevertheless, you are welcome to voice your thoughts as long as you don’t insist objectivity is the hallmark of your commentaries. Thanks to the very Western concept of liberty you so eloquently poo-poohed.

          What’s that about Christian hate again?

          Husband of Paris attack victim sends defiant message to ISIS.

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/paris-terror-attacks-defiant-message_564a4758e4b08cda348a221c

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          • 6. Helen Ang  |  November 20, 2015 at 11:19 am

            re: :What’s that about Christian hate again?”

            The French are by and large Catholics. Old Christians.

            You Born Agains are new Christians. Yours is the Gospel of Prosperity.

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            • 7. HH  |  November 20, 2015 at 1:13 pm

              Quote: You Born Agains are new Christians. Yours is the Gospel of Prosperity.

              FYI, all Christians are born agains.

              My gospel is the gospel of prosperity?

              I don’t think so.

              Yours?

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              • 8. grkumar  |  November 21, 2015 at 3:43 am

                It is not the gospel of prosperity but the gospel of greed. It is the gospel of sheer materialism for those with an intellect and ambition in life that is satisfied with a few pieces of silver more than what their neighbours have so that they can go running around building that pyramid saying “see what Christ has given me, because I accepted him”.

                Jim and Tammy Baker did it well. So too did Beni Hinn and Jimmy Swaggart, Dr. Terry Smith, Oral Roberts (Oral what???) the list is never ending.

                I enjoy stuffing it in their faces because they go on the defence. Now having to defend the Harvest Church they have nothing but what you see here in defence of “their truths”.

                A bunch of loosers in every way.

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                • 9. Harlequin  |  November 21, 2015 at 11:14 am

                  grkumar

                  Quote: “I enjoy stuffing it in their faces because they go on the defence. ”

                  Enjoy while it lasts. Bring it on.

                  Quote: ” It is the gospel of sheer materialism ..”

                  As far as I know, there is no scripture condoning greed and the right to steal and plunder in the bible.

                  So?

                  Ya know, self righteous people are not limited to the religious. More often than not, it is prevalent in everyday prigs who think others should live by their standard. While moral standard in religions are enshrined in their holy texts, self indulgent prigs, not subjected nor answerable to any authority but their own, conjure their set of moral standards out of thin air. Thus making themselves, judge, jury and executioner.

                  Not hard to single them out actually.

                  These people are most apt at committing anecdotal fallacies.

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                  • 10. islam1st  |  November 21, 2015 at 11:20 pm

                    ‘not subjected nor answerable to any authority but their own, conjure their set of moral standards out of thin air’

                    You mean these people?

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                    • 11. Harlequin  |  November 22, 2015 at 7:47 am

                      Islam1st

                      And how are they self/-righteous?

                      Kindly elaborate.

          • 12. grkumar  |  November 20, 2015 at 12:07 pm

            Its for me to know and for you to find out. The “western concept of liberty?” well well well.

            I suppose you are referring to the Greeks first then the French later who espoused these ideas and concepts (not originally western ideas in any way) assuming as any apple polisher and boot licker in your place would that the ideas of liberty fraternity and freedoms are exclusively western.

            Anything you say. If it keeps you entertained and satisfied.

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            • 13. HH  |  November 20, 2015 at 1:07 pm

              grkumar

              Quote:….assuming as any apple polisher and boot licker in your place would that the ideas of liberty fraternity and freedoms are exclusively western.

              I reckon asking you to substantiate the above would set your uncurbed rationality into overdrive.

              As for boot licking, you would know best eh?

              lol

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              • 14. grkumar  |  November 21, 2015 at 3:36 am

                I would indeed know a thing or two about apple polishers and boot lickers having to engage in a dialogue with a boot licker and apple polisher in you. What do you want substantiated anyway?

                Do a bit more reading and broaden your mind instead of waiting for messiahs and second comings promised you by frauds in the west who have no faith in what they themselves preach.

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                • 15. Harlequin  |  November 21, 2015 at 11:15 am

                  grkumar

                  Quote: What do you want substantiated anyway?

                  Easy. For starters you do not opined “..that the ideas of liberty fraternity and freedoms are exclusively western.” [sic]

                  Perhaps you can let know which regime or country today that is not built on the democracy foundation of the West that has a semblance of gender equality and economic prosperity?

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                  • 16. grkumar  |  November 21, 2015 at 3:28 pm

                    Is that why it has laws to enforce what it wants enforced. If there was no theft there would not be anti theft laws.

                    I did not “opined” (sic) that the ideas of liberty fraternity and freedoms are exclusively western”.

                    what on earth do you mean by this or are you adopting a language you have difficulty with?

                    What on earth do you mean by the last paragraph?

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                    • 17. Harlequin  |  November 21, 2015 at 6:40 pm

                      grkumar

                      Quote: what on earth do you mean by this or are you adopting a language you have difficulty with?

                      Nope, it’s a direct straight out question in a language I am quite comfortable with. What about you? Considering you have difficulty getting the word ‘losers’ vs ‘loosers’ right up there. (“A bunch of loosers in every way.”)

                      Uh, for someone attempting to demonstrate superiority in their grasp of the language, you might not want to overlook the details. Just saying.

                      Quote: I did not “opined” (sic) that the ideas of liberty fraternity and freedoms are exclusively western”.

                      Did I say you did? Go back and read.

                      —-

                      You wrote previously: “I suppose you are referring to the Greeks first then the French later who espoused these ideas and concepts (not originally western ideas in any way) assuming as any apple polisher and boot licker in your place would that the ideas of liberty fraternity and freedoms are exclusively western.”

                      ——-

                      You called me a boot licker for concluding the ideas of liberty and freedom are exclusively Western.

                      If the ideas of liberty and freedom are not exclusively Western, then, perhaps you can let know which regime or country today that is not built on the democracy foundation of the West that has a semblance of gender equality and economic prosperity?

                    • 18. grkumar  |  November 22, 2015 at 6:21 am

                      To begin let me answer your question “You called me a boot licker for concluding the ideas of liberty and freedom are exclusively Western.

                      If the ideas of liberty and freedom are not exclusively Western, then, perhaps you can let know which regime or country today that is not built on the democracy foundation of the West that has a semblance of gender equality and economic prosperity?”

                      China for one. India the other . India and China are the home to many of the so called western concepts of equality, liberty, fraternity and egalitarianism and democracy. As well they are home to many of the great industrial and scientific inventions the west appropriates to itself although the more enlightened amongst them today admit to it.

                      Islam in its golden period gave the west the ideas and laid down the principles of equality in marriage (which you no doubt have preferred the distorted perspective of. They laid the foundations of contract, equity, alimony and tort.

                      The only difference is that they did not call it by those names the French, English and Greek refer to it by.

                      Democracy is a Greek word. The concept and idea was never fully embraced by them because it was an alien concept to them. The word was somehow according to European writers and historians one which ended behind this invisible imaginary wall in Greece.

                      The Greeks never gave the free vote or rights to women, slaves or others they considered inferior. But I suppose in your churches and political schools those limits would apply quite comfortably within those principles.

                      But of course you do have another opinion about that drilled into you by some church have you not? The spellings “looser” and “loser” are both used commonly depending on whether you adopt the Australian, English (UK) or American which invariably takes over your microsoft word application. Need to give you a victory every so often. I still maintain you are a boot licker and apple polisher. Nothing’s changed. It is important to give you something to chew in between

                      The European (western for convenience) appropriated many of the inventions and thoughts and philosophies of eastern civilizations (including the idea the notion of the “virgin birth” from Hinduism). Their technology was sourced from the Chinese. The world was to a large part Sinocentric till European domination and their re writing of history to suit their world view.

                      Where in the west do you have gender equality for starters? whilst they seek gender parity in employment and education the very idea of ‘equality’ suffers from the contradiction in terms it is.

                      Your assumption that it exists is false and your belief that somehow it is a self evident truth for me to challenge is evidence of the boot licker apple polisher mentality. (keep it coming).

                      There are those like you who believe God is a white man with a white beard in the sky. ( a very western concept). There are those like you who believe the word civilization and righteousness is synonymous with the western ideas of “liberty, freedoms, democracy and egalitarianism.

                      The proof these principles and doctrines are not theirs and inimical to their ways of life and nothing more than cosmetic, emerges everytime they have to share these beliefs and “principles” with others not of their own kind.

                      It is indeed a struggle for them because it is unnatural to them. It is what motivated the Indians under Gandhi to move them out as he did using their own constitutional principles to defeat them. He had to shove their “principles” in their faces to make them deal with what was in fact alien to them under “their laws”. And they could not.

                      But I suppose you subscribe to Lord MacCauley’s ideas of civilization and the belief that Friedrich Nietzsche’s idea of the ubermenschen and untermenschen (which the Nazis further distorted) was his own and not borrowed from Manu or Zarathustra whom be believed he was quoting from.

                      Why go further than that example? we will be here all night ‘pouring water on a ducks back’. Pythagorus was a student at Benares university in India.

                      If indeed the Greeks were such great mathematicians or as the French claim the ideas of liberty egalitarianism and freedom, why do they have such traumatic experiences implementing these original ideas today to resolve their problems at home where “it all began?” Surely it must be in their DNA to churn out more geniuses producing such seminal theories in maths and political philosophy and the implementation of these ideas (including gender equality which does not apply to no whites largely in their midst).

                      Why can’t the Greeks produce more of those mathematical geniuses like Pythagoras to correct their budget deficits? they are not hampered by the European Union or the US, as India and China were for decades after world war II?

                      Perhaps In short, your global, historical, cumulative perspective of industrialization and civilization adopts the European narrative placing that conventional emphasis on the “British industrial revolution” as “the place where, it all began”.

                      Adopting that view is what I say demonstrates what I call the boot licker mentality. The product of a parochial Eurocentric mindset which you are unable to detach yourself from.Sad.

                      Likewise my good ill informed friend, It was only the nineteenth-century Europeans literally rewrote this history from their new Eurocentric perspective. The Jews whose origins are from central north India too are now re examining their fables. Zion is outer Mumbai. Zionorashtra.(land of Zion). Their passover is an ancient Hindu ritual from the battle of Dwarka after which 12 families (or tribes) were banished and dispersed towards what is now Irak and Egypt. They did not spring out from the desert.

                      Hebrew (evrit) has many many words that has Sanskrit origins. No word of God there pal. But keep reading their fables and bow to their Gods. Nothing worse than self inflicted ignorance.

                      Europe invented historians and then put them to good use in their own interests and not those of historical accuracy or objectivity. And people like you believe them. Well there is a market for your kind everywhere

                    • 19. Harlequin  |  November 22, 2015 at 12:45 pm

                      grkumar

                      Appreciate the walk through history but enough of red herrings.

                      Perhaps much of the philosophies originated from the East. But the question is, how many of these early civilisations are observing the spirit of liberty and freedom they founded today?

                      India? China?

                      The West are by no means perfect.

                      But the liberties accorded to their citizens are still by far the best, warts and all.

    • 20. Kineas1067  |  November 19, 2015 at 6:08 pm

      Oh, btw, are you denying that the Holocaust actually occurred?

      Careful how you answer that. You wouldn’t want to get “blacklisted” by the Immigration authorities in certain European countries now, would you?

      Unless you are being “delusional” with it…..

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      • 21. grkumar  |  November 20, 2015 at 12:23 pm

        I was never there. I never said it occurred. You in fact have to establish the assertion you make in this regard.

        I know that it is claimed that over 20 million Slavs (Russians) Gypsies and others too were also killed by the Nazis.

        Delusional is related to those who believe a man crucified then died in 3 hours on the cross arose on the third day and went to heaven and that he will return to ‘save and take those who believe in him into his kingdom”. That’s delusional. That’s belief in something for which there is no proof.

        Finally the “immigration authorities” in certain European countries have nothing to do with whether one believes or denies the Holocaust occurred.

        The Germans have certain prohibitions on the propagation of hate speech (a bit like what you Christians preach here which includes propagating the theory that the Holocaust did not occur…….but the law is quite specific in this regard. And you know nothing of it).

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        • 22. islam1st  |  November 21, 2015 at 11:26 pm

          ‘Delusional is related to those who believe a man crucified then died in 3 hours on the cross arose on the third day and went to heaven and that he will return to ‘save and take those who believe in him into his kingdom”. That’s delusional. That’s belief in something for which there is no proof.’

          Kineas (and gang), what say you?

          Halelujah!!!

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          • 23. Harlequin  |  November 22, 2015 at 2:14 am

            Islam1st

            What more to say?

            Want to talk about delusional?

            It is those hacks who try to pass themselves as intelligentsias but unable to get their facts right.

            To add to that, there are those who pledge their blind support in hope of piggy backing on another because they cannot or are inept at coming up with their own rhetorics.

            Jesus was on the cross for 6 hours. Not 3.

            Delusional to think one can mock and win arguments with sloppy fact findings, eh?

            Hallelujah to you too.

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            • 24. grkumar  |  November 22, 2015 at 5:21 am

              And you were there? fool

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              • 25. Harlequin  |  November 22, 2015 at 11:50 am

                Much like the flasher in a trenchcoat whom is dead set on showcasing himself to the crowd.

                Like a peacock, he strutted up to the crowd and dropped his coat.

                The crowd took a look and burst into incredulity and exclaimed,

                “Is that all you got?”

                Hahaha

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                • 26. grkumar  |  November 22, 2015 at 12:23 pm

                  Your analogy says it all. Highly intellectual. Is that what you are doing here? Flashing? Like many of the pastors of Born again Christian churches…..yes yes yes I understand why Tammy and Jim Baker, Jimmy Swaggart, Oral Roberts ( I suppose thats Oral sex to you) and others fall into that “honey trap” they set for themselves all the time.

                  You ain’t no harlequin my friend. Try Harlot. More appropriate and don’t forget to take it to Church.

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                  • 27. Harlequin  |  November 22, 2015 at 1:49 pm

                    Hmmm,

                    Trying to redeem yourself by hurling insults?

                    Too little too late.

                    The arachnids (remember your frog-scorpio confessions?) in you have revealed itself and is now running on auto-pilot mode towards self destruction.

                    Tick tock tick tock

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          • 28. Where's The Justice  |  November 22, 2015 at 4:17 am

            Islam1st, my old and slow friend….

            What you have failed to grasp is the fact that this grkumar character is essentially mocking every theist out there, not just Christians, hence his last line from the quote you copied and pasted.

            I suspect he’s an agnostic/atheist and feels the same way about Muslims as well, but since he loves to pander to them, much like how Helen does, he will not come out and reveal what he really thinks about Islam.

            “third day and went to heaven and that he will return to ‘save and take those who believe in him into his kingdom””

            Hmmn, I was under the impression that Muslims believed in the second coming of Christ as well. Yep, am pretty sure grkumar is indirectly mocking your lot as well. Sneaky!

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            • 29. grkumar  |  November 22, 2015 at 11:33 am

              Mocking no one my friend. No one but challenging those amongst us all who appropriate to themselves the ‘divine right’ to interpret Islam, Christianity, Judaism Hinduism Sikhism.

              I think it unfair to lump me in with Helen Ang. She is articulate, to the point, clever and avoids the irrelevant. I don’t. I engage them till they bleed in their minds and their egos. I like that because it is therapeutic. But who says I need justification to engage these sorts?

              Why did the scorpion sting the frog that took it across the flooded creek on its back? Because thats what scorpions do!!

              As for my statement on delusional and the crucifixion. No one has the exact and absolute answer or facts about the crucifixion. No one because there are several and I mean hundreds if not thousands of versions of the new testament which provide differing descriptions and accounts of the life of Christ and his death. They all ascribe their writings to divine inspiration and it being the “word of God”.

              For Chrissakes how many Gods do we have? At least the Hindus have 3,000,000 deities and forms of the single God which the British concluded are 3,000,000 Gods.

              This Christian I am engaging on this blog is a moronic manifestation of Christianity. If they told him God and Amway are inseparable he will believe it like the millions of Amway followers worldwide.

              Thats Amway for you. Thats American Born Again Christianity for you.

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