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They piss on BM because of hate

“Sebenarnya memang tak mau cakap BM,” regular commenter islam1st @ 2015/11/23 at 1:29 pm believes that the Malaysian Firsters refuse actually to speak Malay.

Blogger Eddy Daud believes the Firsters hate our national language.

Yup, they despise and disdain bahasa Melayu, that’s all.

You can feel the hate from Facebookers @ FMT article calling on Malaysians to learn to speak BM. The reader responses reek of contempt and condescension.

Imagine … after six decades of Independence, the Firsters still need to be told that they must learn the national language.

Oh but wait. “They speak Bahasa Kebangsaan alright but ‘not’ bahasa kebangsaan negara Malaysia,” commented tebing tinggi2015/11/23 at 2:10 pm.

Another commenter I Am Woman asked @ 2015/11/23 at 2:13 pm, “Tak rasa malu atau seganke bila lihat orang lain yang berusaha untuk menyesuaikan diri di negara ini …”

I’m afraid IAW has gotten hold of the wrong end of the stick. There’s no thought at all by the Firsters that they need to adapt or adjust to this country. On the contrary, they will UBAH Malaysia to suit their taste.


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29 thoughts on “They piss on BM because of hate

  1. This is a never ending debate. Not sure if it started from Merdeka day or Malaysia day or the 10th year of Malaysia day. But it has been brought up with more frequency since TDM retired.

    You are right they hate the language, probably more than they hate the Malays as that language is a symbol of malay pride and it’s part of the constitution. They must be celebrating the Sarawak stand on the use of English on par with Malay.

    One of the excuses for not bothering to learn to speak the National Language is as Ngeh said “tiada keperluan … 80% pekerja kerajaan adalah melayu”, which just goes to show that they are not interested in government jobs.

    How do these people expect to live in harmony with other Malaysians if we cannot even talk to one another? I am sorry for the youth. It must be horrible growing up, isolated from the majority and being fed with the idea that they are oppressed, second class citizens. While we are being bombarded with stories and images of IS spreading in this country, maybe the government should also look into what would happen when you have a large isolated group that is simmering in resentment.

    1. re: “This is a never ending debate. Not sure if it started from Merdeka day or Malaysia day or the 10th year of Malaysia day.”

      BM proponents have to ask the ‘right’ question. It’s not a matter of why CAN’T the Chinese speak our national language. The crux of it is why they WON’T.

      The Chinese diaspora are talented polyglots. They have the same capacity to learn BM as the Bangladeshi, Nepali and Burmese. In fact, they have the added advantage of being taught the language in school.

      Quite evidently, it is won’t … not can’t.

      re: “You are right they hate the language”

      Also a superiority complex wrt Chinese as well as putting English on a pedestal. BM is hated because it is the mother tongue of the Malays.

      re: “One of the excuses for not bothering to learn to speak the National Language …”

      Dah tak hendak memang seribu dalih.

      re: “How do these people expect to live in harmony with other Malaysians if we cannot even talk to one another?”

      They can order roti canai dan minta supaya gula dikurangkan dalam teh tarik mereka. Cukuplah tu.

      re: “I am sorry for the youth. It must be horrible growing up, isolated from the majority and being fed with the idea that they are oppressed, second class citizens.”

      What’s worse is the Malaysian Firster hypocrisy. At least the ones who feel they’re second-class citizens are left to think linearly.

      Those who sing kumbayah are the Love crowd engaged in Doublethink. They turn the other cheek not b’cos they’re pacifist and have a broad understanding but b’cos they’re trapped in circumstances where they do not have the power to retaliate.

      They’re seething inside … like HH.

      re: “maybe the government should also look into what would happen when you have a large isolated group that is simmering in resentment”

      Simmering in resentment and anger. Well, what happens is the ugliness you see on FMT ‘s “learn BM” thread.

  2. Hi Helen,

    Sejambak terimaKasih bagi menyuarakan perihal BAHASA rasmi negara kita yang malangnya masih lagi diperkecil-rendahkan dari sebilangan warganegara yang degil didalam kebencian yang entah mengapa hingga tiada-hati untuk mengusai dengan fasihnya.

    Sehingga sekarang saya masih tertanya-tanya: apakah masaalah mereka sebenarnya dimana sedari merdeka mereka sekeras hati menolak terus kedaulatan bahasa Malay-sia dan jangan harap pada satu hari nanti satu pengiktirafan daripada mereka akan terjadi dan sampai bila mereka tersampai hati bagi menafikan keatas “bahasa jiwa bangsa” tanpa belas kehormatan terhadap bumi yang dipijak tempat lahir dan hidup mereka selama ini?

    Dari jauh saya perhatikan dan saya merasa kesal lansong terjauh hati terhadap negaraku karena yang melayu pula ramai yang lupa daratan dan yang selainnya bersikap seperti “orang luar/orang asing” tapi mengaku palsu kewarganegaraan Malay-sia !

    Demikian, tidak hairanlah mengapa sesama kita masih terserlah kerasaan kurang mesra lantas mengheret kita kepada ketidakyakinan yang berbau syak-wasangka…

    à plus.

  3. Bukan kah syarat untuk menjadi rakyat negara MALAYsia ialah perlu fasih/tau the MALAY Language?

    Btw, as much as I feel that the Malay linguists need to do much more to upgrade the language, I do not hate the language, rather the way it is developed. For instance, as a Malay who use both languages equally at ease, I do hope we reduce the use of words from other languages I am sure the Malay language is actually rich with its resource of words, instead of borrowing too many words from other languages such as English. Sometimes, even when some words exist in B.M., the words are seldom promoted. Instead, the borrowed from English version is used.

    1. Absolutely!

      Why do the PMO, Finance Ministry and Treasury prefer the term “bajet” rather than belanjawan?

      1. Simple. Budget or bajet takes into account money in (income) and money out (expenses). Belanjawan means spending or expense. No consideration of ‘income’. We cannot be focusing on spending without looking at income.

        1. re: “Belanjawan means spending or expense. No consideration of ‘income’.”


          Kamus Dewan definition, “perhitungan banyaknya wang yg akan diterima (sbg pendapatan) dan dibelanjakan, butiran ringkas anggaran pendapatan dan perbelanjaan”.

          Kamus Dewan sample sentence, “Menteri Kewangan bertanggungjawab menyediakan ~ negara setiap tahun”

          1. Refer link:


            ” Kita kenali anggaran kewangan bagi satu jangka masa dengan nama belanjawan. Tetapi kita tentu tahu bahawa kita bukan sahaja membuat anggaran wang yang akan dibelanjakan tetapi juga wang yang akan diperolehi. Jumlah wang yang kita akan perolehi menentukan jumlah wang yang kita dapat belanja. Amatlah tidak bijak jika kita buat anggaran jumlah peruntukan yang kita akan belanja tanpa mengambil kira jumlah hasil yang kita akan terima.

            Justeru itu, perkataan belanjawan adalah tidak tepat. Perkataan budget dalam Bahasa Inggeris yang bermaksud perancangan keluar masuk wang untuk urusan tertentu adalah lebih tepat. Jika diizinkan, saya ingin menggunakan perkataan budget dengan ejaan B-A-J-E-T kerana perkataan ini lebih mencerminkan anggaran urusan kewangan negara yang akan saya bentangkan. ”

            Tun M changed the term when he presented the Budget 2003 in Sept 2002.

            Perhaps Kamus Dewan changed the definition of the term thereafter. If that is the case, government should revert to the original term.

            1. re: “Perhaps Kamus Dewan changed the definition of the term thereafter.”

              I doubt. The dictionary writers are linguists and professionals. They’re not politicians yang dok ubah-ubah.

              re: “Tun M changed the term when he presented the Budget 2003 in Sept 2002.”

              You should not be referring to Tun as an authority on the meaning / definition of words. He is a politician who also ubah-ubah his understanding. Look at how his stance on street rallies and Jakim and several other key issues have changed recently.

              Stick with the dictionary.

              1. But Tun M already retired. Why the current leadership is not rectifying the mistake on the usage of Bajet? Heck, even Sarawak is recognising English as official language along side Bahasa.

  4. Had a long discussion with a visiting German friend over Deepavali, about the assimilation of immigrants in their adopted countries.

    Gunther used to work here back in the 90’s but comes to Penang every year around Deepavali because his wife is from here.

    In short, he said there a still many latter generation, nationalised Turks in Germany who have not adopted the local language and/or culture to this day because they live in their communal cocoons – just like the Chinese in Penang (this is why now his Malaysian wife had to officially learn to speak German as one of the compulsory migration requirements, just to be allowed to live in Germany with him as his wife).

    According to him also, the Chinese here are the most racist of all races and based on his observation of things during his annual visits to Penang over the last few years, he says, so is the state government.

    I said: ja ja ja…genau. Prost!

  5. I for one believe that if Malaysia was to be nationalistic in the European sense, language is of paramount importance. Bahasa (Melayu or Malaysia, whichever you prefer) should be the ultimate indicator of one’s Malaysianness. All European countries (bar Switzerland) are what they are because they predominantly share a singular language.

    But to expect the Chinese to pick up the language with no impetus would be wishful. The Chinese are practical – they won’t do something for nothing. As it is, learning the Malay language yields them nothing – no carrot. Furthermore, there is no immediate penalty in NOT learning it – no stick.

    Understanding that the Malays are wont to do nothing to penalize other citizens for not speaking their language (no stick), perhaps the government should introduce more carrots associated with the Malay language. Apparently carrots can be obtained through blood and religion alone.

    One, or rather, one’s children, get carrots ie the notorious NEP goodies upon marrying a bumi. The Malay language itself confers no real advantage – the Malay benefits/carrots are almost solely due to blood. I dare say there’s even more carrots for being Muslim than it is for speaking the Malay language. One can expect a steady stream of muallaf donations/zakat/support even if one does not speak the Malay language!

    I have always wondered how many million hours have been wasted in creating the English speaking Malay middle and upper class. To acquire a trade/skill (legitimacy in the case of the upper class), each English speaking white collar (or elite) Malay would have spent thousands of hours perfecting a language not habitually spoken by the majority of the population.

    This he does by speaking it at home (when we are essentially non whites in a non white country!); lessons at school and college; and perhaps most significantly albeit often unnoticed – through cultural consumption. TV series, songs, movies, leisure reading – thousands upon thousands of hours.

    If a great deal of the required trade/skills were properly translated into Malay and exposed to the Malays from an early age, the Malays would be able to acquire skills without the need for an expensive cultural transition.

    To use modern Hebrew as an example, it took 3 to 4 generations to revitalize the language ie have a body of literature in that language that contains translations of most modern day skills and ideas. This certainly is no short term process but at least it isn’t a stick.

    With current technology and enough funds, perhaps the same could be done for the Malay language in half the time.

    If the translations are allowed their due course, there should be an improvement in overall ability, productivity, and even organization. In Malay outfits, very often do we see lack of coordination between the managerial class and the working class – I highly suspect it is linguistic (imagine a Bukit Damansara executive instructing Gombak technicians).

    An improved skillset and organization may render the Malay speaking economy more productive and a force to be reckoned with. Failing that, perhaps Malay translations of western books would be cheaper than the western originals.

    The above I imagine to be the proverbial carrot.

    1. The “English speaking Malay middle and upper class”? Presumably that would include the VVIPs too? Are they gaining an” unfair” advantage over the “heartland rakyat” because of the farmer’s command of English?

      Is it another manifestation of “inequality” in the Malaysian context?

      What’s wrong with letting the “market” decide which languages should command a “premium”? That could include BM, Bahasa Indonesia, Tagalog, Thai, Mandarin, Japanese, Korean, Hindi and Urdu. Not forgetting Arabic, French, German, Spanish, Russian and Italian.

      Is it “unpatriotic” to be fluently bilingual or trilingual? Or should we opt for monolingual fluency and let the rest of the world take it or leave it?

      I suspect that the policymakers will be doing a good deal of hand wringing if this comes up for debate.

      Because, unlike you or me, they don’t have the luxury of telling the outside world to “take it or leave it”.

      Talk of being caught between a rock and a hard place!

  6. ““Sebenarnya memang tak mau cakap BM,” regular commenter islam1st @ 2015/11/23 at 1:29 pm believes that the Malaysian Firsters refuse actually to speak Malay.”

    You will also notice that The Firsters too can’t speak proper Mandarin or Tamil. They are the so-called English educated or in common language the Banana.

    They suffer from a serious identity crisis. They feel like being Asian (Chinese, Indian or Malay) means low class and uneducated. Knowing English makes them high class.

    You can see their kids today in the International Schools or International College. If you go the International Schools (or the only International College) in Penang, you will find the schools are hardly international. At 80% are local Penang Chinese.

    1. With good economic justification, surely?

      When was the last time someone interviewed for a job with Apple, Facebook, Google or Microsoft in BM?

      Ditto with Citibank or any other international bank?

      Do you think that FDI is coming into Malaysia because of a fascination with BM or the need to support BM?

      Isn’t a widespread use of English part of the reason for the economic competitiveness of Singapore and the Phillipines?

      Of course, this may be small potatoes to you. You may have the luxury of sitting back and not worrying how to bring home the moolah (I was about to use the word “bacon”, but that would be politically incorrect).

      But not to graduates trying to get that all-important first job and move up the career ladder.

      1. “Do you think that FDI is coming into Malaysia because of a fascination with BM or the need to support BM?”

        With this logic, Indonesia would have zero FDI since everything in school is taught in Bahasa Indonesia.
        Typical Anglophile thinking.

        1. Yes, but the Indonesian grads who are recruited by the MNCs, foreign banks and professional services firms – are they chosen on the basis of their fluency in Bahasa Indonesia or English? And in course of their work, which language do they use more often?

          And you conveniently sidestepped commenting about the Philippines. Or Singapore. Or India. Even China. Why?

  7. Huuh? International School, which one? The one in my town is teaching chinglish and singlish. Heck, I would not waste my money sending any kid there. Uitm is much better. See, they won the Cambridge inter-varsity debate. There is equally every opportunity to study abroad. Furthermore, education at that varsity is approximately free…hehe!

    1. Which school is that, pray tell?

      And how do you know that it’s an “international school”? Has it been licensed by the Ministry as such? Does it have expatriate teachers and foreign students? Does it prepare students for the IGCSE exams or the IB diploma?

      With regard to UiTM, what is it’s international ranking? You know like compared with, say, NUS or NTU?

  8. Haha, talk about ranking? Get some details about this ranking biz. Do not just follow the herd. It’s one way to woo potential students which come with a price. Depends on which aspect you are looking at. Choose one which suits your preference.

    I do not wish to elaborate, though. I have nothing to lose by you not concurring with my point.

    In the west, they have gone beyond giving ‘recognition’ by way of ranking. They have moved on but allow the ‘followers’ to tag and lag behind with their perceived misconception. Recruiters and employers, there are not fooled by this ranking concept.

    All in all, it’s the products of the entity that matters. Ohh, about this I.S., there was an advert, just this morning, at a banking premise? promoting its IB programme..dush? Was I awed as to the extent these institutions had been commercialized, liaising with a bank? Hehe!

    Oh, oh…on second thought..they are partners, biz partners, aren’t they?. Education is an enterprise, very lucrative indeed. But then, it’s your money, right? You can do what the hell you like with it…just do not queue during br1m application.

    I do not wish to elaborate on Uitm, it is up to you whether you agree or not. Again, I have nothing to lose and everything to gain by you not concurring with me with regard to this beloved institution of ours…hihi!

    Why is it not ranked? Coz it is a communal or welfare university. It provides equal opportunity for the have nots. If it is ranked, some people, you-know-who, will start shouting and banging on its doors. It’s for its best that it is not ranked…hehe#

    Ohh, about that nsuwatave, I do not mean to be mean but someone equate them as robots, you know, when they went to one of the western varsities…change the question or task, they will be stuck since it is not programmed in them.

    1. So, as per your “logic”, Harvard, Cambridge, Oxford, Stanford and MIT don’t deserve their top universities rankings?

      That will be news to the corporates who recruit heavily from these universities!

      But never let it be said that Malaysian educationists and apologists for the national education system don’t have an overwhelming superiority complex and an innate tendency to downplay all things external and “foreign”. Because they know “best”. Apparently.

      And on what metrics are you judging NUS? At least, that’s what you meant when you wrote “nsuwatave”? Or was it “Malglish” rearing it’s sneaky head?

    2. As per the latest QS World University Rankings, UiTM is ranked in the 701+ category.

      Which, to my simple mind, means that there are at least 700 universities with higher rankings than UiTM.

      A “statistical impossibility”?

      So, is UiTM ranked, or is it not? You have stated that it is not. Which means that the published QS rankings are either incorrect or false. That would, no doubt, anger the UiTM faculty, students and alumni considerably, would it not?

      It is interesting that you have raised the issue of “equal opportunity for the have nots”. That could be construed as code words for “affirmative action”, which maybe wasn’t your intention.

      It’s also edifying how you have contrived to tie yourself in knots as far as this particular subject is concerned.

  9. Tun Razak sent his children to English Language School 55 years ago. And later to University in U.K.

  10. Referring to c27, the key word here it providing for the have-nots, equality for the poor. The ranking is immaterial. Even among its upholders do not agree on certain issues. For those who are trying to manipulate facts, go look up further about this ranking…would really like to clarify but that will have to wait for duty calls. .

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