Just like Muslims have condemned ISIS, M’sian Christians must repudiate evangelistas

December 16, 2015 at 10:04 am 40 comments

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Original posting

Western governments say they’re not against Islam. It is Muslim terrorists that they’re against.

Nonetheless, there has been a backlash against Muslim minorities in the West. Donald Trump, accused of being an anti-Muslim fascist, is the front runner in the American presidential race among Republican challengers.

anti Islam protests

The far right in France, which is anti-Muslim immigration, recently won the popular vote in their country’s recent first-round regional elections.

Chancellor Angela Merkel, who has been positive about her country’s absorption of Muslim immigrants, has become unpopular with the German public.

The negative reaction to Muslim radicals is real.

Thus average, peaceful Muslims have had to publicly denounce ISIS, claiming that the militants do not portray the real Islam. Ordinary Muslim are distancing themselves from the terror group.

Isis not represent

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No to ISIS

Anti Extremism

DAP is anti Malay, anti Islam — Najib

DAP pijak kepalaLikewise in Malaysia, the Islamic authorities and Muslim NGOs are not against Christianity. It is only the evangelistas preaching hate and extremism whom they’re against.

The Prime Minister has described the DAP as anti Malay and anti Islam. Najib Razak is correct on this score.

DAP’s evangelical leaders and their cheerleaders in the media often label Malays as “racists” and Muslims as “extremists” and “religious bigots”.

They’re preachers of hate. That is why there has been a reaction against them and one response took the form of the Red Rally on 16 Sept 2015 (left, picture of protestors).

DAP pijak kepala Melayu

Seekor kerbau berkubang, sekandang kena luluknya

Granted that there has been some backlash against the Christian minority here. This is due to the Dapster evangelistas causing the majority population to feel besieged.

The Malays believe they’re under seige because the Dapster evangelistas have been aggressively conducting a cyber terrorism campaign as well as knocking at our nation’s fundamental pillars.

Malaysia is a Muslim land but the DAP insists that we’re a secular country. Dapster evangelistas are extremist subversives who are destabilizing Malaysia and a threat to public order.

Lately the Christians have been fond of whinging that they’re oppressed and persecuted in Malaysia. They should appraise the root cause as to why the majority community is suspicious and wary of them.

Seekor kerbau membawa lumpur, seluruh isi kandang terpalit jua. It is unfortunate that the entire buffalo herd has to suffer the consequences.

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What the Christians must do

Ordinary Christians must be willing to disassociate themselves from the evangelical party that is sowing hate and creating disharmony.

They must publicly declare, “The DAP does not represent us. We do not condone its politics of hate.”

BELOW: Hannah the hate monger

Families who have been Christian for generations must let the rest of Malaysia know that born again evangelistas who control the DAP are not spreading the love teachings of Jesus Christ.

They must acknowledge that hypocritical preacher-politicians are promoting hate. Stop the ‘in denial’ syndrome at once and take your head out of the sand.

You can see why it is wrong for the opposition to characterize the current Malay unease with puak pelampau evangelis as “anti-Christianity”. Or to make malicious police reports against seminars in the universities exposing evangelization (proselytization) saying these knowledge programmes are “anti-Christian” – see FMT banner headline above.

They’re fomenting Islamophobia.

Instead of attacking the ustaz, ustazah, Muslim religious scholars, lecturers and speakers at university forums, the Christians should instead repudiate the evangelistas. Do it now.

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40 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Spectre  |  December 16, 2015 at 11:11 am

    Watch this

    What did you expect from extremists ?

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    • 2. Helen Ang  |  December 16, 2015 at 11:21 am

      Thanks for the link – just watched – and LOL @ 2:08 when the programme host said, “They think the Bible is the Constitution”.

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      • 3. Spectre  |  December 16, 2015 at 11:40 am

        For the record, since this has been going on for many years now they should just as well make it official by adopting the Bible as the party’s constitution. Don’t play hide and seek anymore with us. We know THAT party is a Christian party. Replace the rocket with the cross instead. Are they game for it ?

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  • 4. grkumar  |  December 16, 2015 at 2:14 pm

    They have already made religion into a political issue and did it so well with the Allah issue. Now they enliven the thus far dormant majority Malay Muslim constituency by awakening the sleeping dragon of theology in which the Muslims must win. They are a majority in a democracy.

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    • 5. Kineas1067  |  December 17, 2015 at 4:55 pm

      Not in the West, though. Or even in India. Where “the sleeping Dragon of theology” is still asleep. Not for the want of trying, though.

      That’s why there is so much angst about “kafirs” and “infidels”. It’s not coming from the “evangelistas”, is it?

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  • 6. Surrhead  |  December 16, 2015 at 2:46 pm

    If i were to choose between Umno Malays and DAP Christians, i would chose DAP Christians….I am paying RM1.95 for RON95 is because of umno, where else the crude oil is below USD35 currently. One of the ways where Umno screws the rakyat.

    As for DAP and Christians, they have always been labelled boogeyman. Umno been practicing this like forever. It’s to fool the gullibles, of course.

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    • 7. Helen Ang  |  December 16, 2015 at 2:50 pm

      Okay lah if you wanna kowtow to the evangelical DAP. It’s still a free country until such a time that we come under emergency rule.

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    • 8. I Am Woman  |  December 16, 2015 at 3:14 pm

      I love your spirit and your confidence in the DAP.

      I am jaded by politics. I am too cynical; I think all political parties are alike and all politicians start out with big ideals all based on doing good for the people. Then they get into power and suddenly they decided if they work too hard for the people, the people will become lazy and dependant on the government. Also they suddenly feel they deserve huge rewards for their “sacrifices”.

      So when before they were happy with Proton Perdana, they now want to be driven in Camry, no make that a Merc. When before they can carry a Bonia tote, now they must match their Prada bags to their Jimmy Choos.

      Good for you if you think DAP will serve you better.

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      • 9. Helen Ang  |  December 16, 2015 at 4:58 pm

        re: “all political parties are alike”

        Handbags are alike too, e.g Prada and Birkin. Both are big totes for mature women.

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      • 10. Surrhead  |  December 16, 2015 at 5:12 pm

        DAP is the better alternative to Umno, but DAP can’t hold the reign, not in the next 30-50 years. It must be held by PH, and it must be a Malay leader.
        I think you got me wrong thinking i am a buta2 hardcore DAP supporter….well, i am a fence sitter…..and currently, DAP is the better lot.

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        • 11. Spectre  |  December 16, 2015 at 7:04 pm

          Yes, indeed the DAP is the better lot, way ahead of everyone else, they are so slick that should the need arise, they can put a chimp as candidate and still win an election. On a few occasions where I agree with people like you this one surely is one of them. Woohoo !

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  • 12. An Ordinary Malaysian  |  December 16, 2015 at 7:41 pm

    Helen,

    Right-minded peace loving Muslims the world over condemn ISIS for their violence in the name of Islam.

    I can assure you that when the evangelical Christians in Malaysia start beheading people, sending out suicide bombers, selling young slave girls for sex, etc etc, in the name of Christianity, I will join you in repudiating them.

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    • 13. Helen Ang  |  December 16, 2015 at 7:54 pm

      Behind the facade of victimhood, the evangelistas are aggressors. And short of perpetrating physical violence, the evangelistas are just as if not more destructive.

      Fitnah itu dosa lebih besar daripada membunuh.

      A bomb may go off in the heart of KL – a possibility alluded to recently by the BN’s Strategic Communications Director – and kill, say, 100 people. It’s countable.

      The damage done by the evangelistas – for example, badmouthing Malaysia abroad and trying to encourage the developed countries to impose economic sanctions and withdraw their FDI – would affect tens of thousands. This is more difficult to quantify.

      The evangelistas are tearing apart the fabric of our nation.

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      • 14. Kineas1067  |  December 17, 2015 at 11:50 am

        It is interesting that you have, up to now, not explicitly and unequivocally condemned ISIS/ISIL/Daesh – what it stands for, what it is doing and what it hopes to achieve.

        Why? Are you being reticent or discreetly silent because you think that you are not qualified to make a stand on this subject?

        That reticence or discreet silence hasn’t stopped you from jumping on the anti-Christian evangelisation bandwagon, with a plethora of choice epithets being rolled out in your blog to vilify the (Christian) evangelistas.

        And, while doing that, you have also been critical of the mainstream Christian churches (with some emphasis on the Catholic Church).

        This may all be part of your agenda, because, in your worldview, “freedom of religion” and “freedom to propagate a particular religion” are dangerous concepts that set up a country for a potential “clash of civilisations”.

        And if neither side is willing to back down or step back and compromise…..what then?

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        • 15. Helen Ang  |  December 17, 2015 at 12:26 pm

          re: “Why? Are you being reticent or discreetly silent because you think that you are not qualified to make a stand on this subject?”

          They’re too remote in Syria. How many ordinary Malaysians, particularly non-Muslims, have ever travelled to Syria? I haven’t.

          re: “That reticence or discreet silence hasn’t stopped you from jumping on the anti-Christian evangelisation bandwagon”

          They’re in our own backyard of Jerusubang. They’ve converted our family, relatives and friends.

          re: “with a plethora of choice epithets being rolled out in your blog to vilify the (Christian) evangelistas”

          SNEAKY BASTARDS

          re: “And, while doing that, you have also been critical of the mainstream Christian churches (with some emphasis on the Catholic Church).”

          Not particularly. Only the Bishop Emeritus Paul Tan.

          re: “This may all be part of your agenda, because, in your worldview, ‘freedom of religion’ and ‘freedom to propagate a particular religion’ are dangerous concepts that set up a country for a potential ‘clash of civilisations’.”

          I worry that the Tidak Apas are no match for the sneaky bastards.

          re: “And if neither side is willing to back down or step back and compromise…..what then?”

          The evangelistas will get the war that they want.

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          • 16. An Ordinary Malaysian  |  December 17, 2015 at 2:25 pm

            Helen,

            re: “The evangelistas will get the war that they want.”

            Great.

            I can hardly wait for when the evangelistas start sending out the suicide bombers, do some beheadings in KLCC, sell some sex slaves, force conversions, etc etc.

            Then I will definitely join you in fighting them :)

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            • 17. Helen Ang  |  December 17, 2015 at 3:10 pm

              Depends on which and what kind of numbers you’re looking at.

              The Middle East is rather too messy to estimate the body count (dunno the numbers) but in France, the Muslim militants killed 12 persons in the Charlie Hebdo attack and roughly 130 persons in the recent Paris attack.

              Okay, now how many bodies (+soul) did the City Harvest Church harvest?

              Tens of thousands. Likely the number even went above 6-figures of Lost & Found, and lost again souls.

              So don’t underestimate the reach of the evangelistas even if they stop short of lopping off your head.

              If you’re a Chinese or Indian, the likelihood is very high that someone you know (family, relatives, friends) has been converted by them.

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              • 18. Spectre  |  December 17, 2015 at 3:56 pm

                The guy is a Chinese. He has a blog

                http://lifeasanordinarymalaysian.blogspot.my/

                He was a very prolific commentator at the Speaking of China blog because a friend of mine visits the blog from time to time and he told me about this ‘ordinary Malaysia’. He has a penchant of how shall I say making fun of ‘Malaysia’ from time to time.

                Now he’s here. l o l !

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              • 19. Kineas1067  |  December 17, 2015 at 4:13 pm

                It may be risible to you, but in all the security warnings, arrests, intelligence sharing in the West and in Asia, has any agency or think tank specifically identified “evangelical Christians” and “militant Christianity” as a clear and specific danger or threat?

                It’s not “evangelical Christianity” that is actively pursuing the setting up of a “Caliphate”, is it?

                It’s not “evangelical Christians” who have set up training camps for kids to indoctrinate them from an early age, is it?

                You can’t “Teflon” your way out of this by blithely asserting that the activities of ISIS/ISIL/Daesh are far away from the region and pose no threat.

                That’s not what governments in the region are saying.

                And I would hazard a guess that they have access to better intelligence than you.

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                • 20. Helen Ang  |  December 17, 2015 at 8:43 pm

                  re: “has any agency or think tank specifically identified “evangelical Christians” and “militant Christianity” as a clear and specific danger or threat?”

                  They are concerned about terrorist attacks on Western targets like Paris or London or New York. We in Malaysia are concerned about evangelical Christians. Lina Joy is a big issue for us (disclaimer: I personally sympahtize with LJ; here I mean us as in ‘Malaysian (Malay) society’).

                  Lain padang, lain belalang.

                  Singapore Malays rioted over Natrah. While the Sing government has got things under control – they nailed the City Harvest Church in court, as one example of their watchful eye over religious developments – but in Indonesia, anti-Christian riots break out every now and again.

                  re: “It’s not ‘evangelical Christianity’ that is actively pursuing the setting up of a Caliphate, is it?”

                  You’re deliberately overlooking the calls “Rise up and take Subang for Jesus”, “Take the city (KL) for our Lord” and “Take Johor for Jesus” (the latter exposed by Isma and police reports made).

                  Evangelistas have “cell groups” just like terrorists, as one of commenters (‘Spectre’) in this blog pointed out not too long ago.

                  re: “It’s not ‘evangelical Christians’ who have set up training camps for kids to indoctrinate them from an early age, is it?”

                  #justsayin’ Why do parents allow their kids to be exposed to radiation (holy rays)?

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                  re: “You can’t ‘Teflon’ your way out of this by blithely asserting that the activities of ISIS/ISIL/Daesh are far away from the region and pose no threat.”

                  Why do you evade from prioritizing Jerusubang – the threat that is in our own backyard? Recall the bloody Taiping Rebellion in China. The rebel leader believed he was the younger brother of Jesus Christ. The revolt caused millions of deaths.

                  So much for “tai ping”, literally meaning big peace. Not ‘Caliphate’ but those China evangelistas wanted to set up their Christian version of the Great Peaceful Kingdom of Heaven.

                  re: “That’s not what governments in the region are saying. And I would hazard a guess that they have access to better intelligence than you.”

                  The police certainly have better SB intel than me, and in the past weeks alone two Bukit Aman officers have given public briefings (at seminars) on the “THREAT” to public order posed by the evangelical movement.

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                  • 21. The Kineas  |  December 17, 2015 at 9:37 pm

                    How many ISIS sympathisers and supporters have been arrested in Malaysia? How many have made their way to fight in Iraq and Syria? Care to give the specific numbers?

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                    • 22. Helen Ang  |  December 17, 2015 at 9:56 pm

                      Like islam1st remarked @ 2015/12/17 at 6:57 pm
                      Muslim radicals are born and bred due to “these people” (evangelistas, Goerge W Bush, Tony Blair, Donald Trump and their ilk). “Kena buku dengan ruas!”

                      If the Malays had been left undisturbed and unmolested in their Tanah Melayu to go about their own quiet Muslim way of life, there would not be this symptom of Islamic militancy.

                    • 23. Kineas1067  |  December 18, 2015 at 12:43 pm

                      “undisturbed and unmolested”?

                      Seriously? They might as well turn their backs on globalisation and the social media while they are about it! Why not go the whole hundred yards and live blissfully “undisturbed and unmolested”? And don’t demand good jobs with good wages because MNCs and FDI are “agents of change”.

                      They can also send this message through the ballot box at the next GE.

                      As for Bush, Blair, Trump etc – they are what they are. Bush and Blair were voted into office. Trump remains a work-in-progress.

                      But that hasn’t stopped Malaysia from joining the “coalition of the willing”, has it?

                    • 24. Helen Ang  |  December 18, 2015 at 2:52 pm

                      re: ““undisturbed and unmolested”? / “Seriously?”

                      Dapster-evangelistas are like Bintang Lima.

                    • 25. Helen Ang  |  December 18, 2015 at 2:53 pm

                      Yes, seriously.

              • 26. An Ordinary Malaysian  |  December 19, 2015 at 12:00 am

                Helen,

                re: “Okay, now how many bodies (+soul) did the City Harvest Church harvest?”

                How did they “harvest” those souls?

                With beheadings? With force? With suicide bombs?

                They used guile and trickery – no different from all those who get converted to Islam or any other religion :)

                In Malaysia, the Islamic authorities harvest souls by force – there is no choice in Islam in Malaysia :)

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                • 27. Helen Ang  |  December 19, 2015 at 8:29 am

                  re: “They used guile and trickery”

                  Sneaky bastards. The extent to which they employed guile and trickery is criminal.

                  The S’pore authorities threw them in jail. Unfortunately the M’sian gomen has not dealt with their counterparts across the Causeway with equal efficiency.

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  • 28. Kineas1067  |  December 16, 2015 at 11:03 pm

    Are you worried about the “Clash of Civilisations”?

    Or that the Trumps and the Le Pens will sway the West into extreme anti-Islam and anti-Muslim policies?

    Which ISIS/ISIL/Daesh would love to see happen. It gives them the perfect raison d’etre for their existence as “champions of Islam and Muslims” in an universal Caliphate.

    I guess that if the West is asked to choose between evangelical Christianity and other alternatives, their choice would be pretty clear.

    Whether they have the “muscle” (financial, economic, military, diplomatic) to promote it elsewhere is the question.

    It may not stop them from trying.

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    • 29. Keris  |  December 18, 2015 at 12:14 pm

      The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria or Daesh do not represent classical orthodox Islam. How could they be champions of Muslims when they have slaughtered so many of our beloved ulama? Neither is their leader a caliph by any criterion of Islamic jurisprudence. Why do you keep on repeating the same statements about what ISIS is or is not? We have published this global consensus fatwa given below before.

      http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com

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      • 30. Kineas1067  |  December 19, 2015 at 11:47 am

        I keep repeating it because some parties in this blog do not believe that ISIS/ISIL/Daesh is a clear and present danger, not only to non-Muslims (aka “kafirs” or “infidels”), but also to observant mainstream Muslims.

        The worldwide arrest figures for supporters of ISIS/ISIL/Daesh attest to this

        But certain parties would have us believe that evangelical Christianity is more of an existential threat to Islam and Muslims than the aforementioned ISIS/ISIL/Daesh.

        Is that borne out by real world evidence and statistics from think tanks, intelligence and security agencies worldwide?

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        • 31. Helen Ang  |  December 19, 2015 at 11:56 am

          re: “I keep repeating it because some parties in this blog do not believe that ISIS/ISIL/Daesh is a clear and present danger”

          A number of parties do not believe that the beheading videos are genuine. They’re unsure that IS may not be a false flag planted by … Mossad, CIA, whatever secret, powerful vested interests.

          With these doubts and uncertainties, some parties are unable to (like your good self) be so unequivocal that IS is a “clear” and “present” danger to the populations in SE Asia.

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          • 32. Keris  |  December 19, 2015 at 12:21 pm

            ISIS is a hazard to the Muslim ummah and civil society at large – people die at their hands and human communities are disintegrated – but your point that other non-Muslim organizations may be involved in Islamic radical movements in a clandestine manner is an open secret by now.

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            • 33. islam1st  |  December 19, 2015 at 3:27 pm

              Yup and only fools be fooled.

              ‘Presiden Rusia, Vladimir Putin mendedahkan bahawa 40 negara telah memberi sumbangan dana kepada kumpulan militan ISIS termasuk negara anggota G20.

              “Saya mempunyai data kewangan individu-individu yang terlibat dengan IS. Wang ini datang dari 40 buah negara dan beberapa anggota G20 adalah sebahagian daripadanya,” kata Putin kepada pemberita, lapor wartawan penyiasatan Jay Syrmopoulos di laman web The Free Thought Project.

              Sebagai menyekat aliran wang derma kepada IS, Putin mengulangi gesaannya agar dagangan haram oleh IS perlu dihentikan.’

              http://www.ismaweb.net/2015/11/putin-dedah-is-dapat-dana-40-negara-termasuk-anggota-g20/

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          • 34. Kineas1067  |  December 19, 2015 at 3:05 pm

            Oh, really? Does that mean that the security agencies in Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore have been working in a vacuum when they arrested suspected ISIS supporters/sympathisers/recruiters?

            Are the numbers quoted by the same agencies of Indonesians, Malaysians and Singaporeans who have gone off to fight for ISIS in Syria and Iraq conjured out of thin air?

            Why is Saudi Arabia spearheading an “Islamic alliance” to counter “terrorism”? Hasn’t Malaysia signed up to join this alliance?

            If ISIS/ISIL/Daesh are a “false flag”, then al-Baghdadi and his fellow travellers must be dupes of the first order…..

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            • 35. Helen Ang  |  December 19, 2015 at 5:44 pm

              You’re building straw men with your rhetorical questions and after that you do a Rumpelstilskin by spinning your straw into something else of your own creation.

              Try to engage with less sneakiness, will ya? Don’t put words or putative answers (to your rhetorical questions) into my mouth.

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              • 36. islam1st  |  December 19, 2015 at 6:42 pm

                Helen these sneaky bastards are delusional!

                ‘“The offensive behaviour of the Chinese in the MPAJA is said to have taken many forms,” said Cheah. They imposed burdensome taxes and reportedly insulted and scorned Malay and Chinese villagers. Women were forced to work in the kitchens of the MPAJA and molested. The MPAJA were also said to have slaughtered pigs in the mosques and Malays who were suspected to be traitors were killed without trial. – See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/batu-pahat-home-ground-for-radicals#sthash.gwAa7yv0.dpuf

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              • 37. Spectre  |  December 19, 2015 at 7:19 pm

                That is how they operate. The objective is not about having a decent, honest conversation. It is all about deceit. They question not because they seek answer. They question so that more questions can be raised, or rather, more questions can be cooked so that issues are diverted. This is more than just being sneaky. Why do you think they keep on flooding your blog ? This is prevarication.

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          • 38. Chris  |  December 19, 2015 at 3:57 pm

            Not every Christian evangelical party that is, but those sects which align themselves with Zionism are just as malignant to human civilization as cold blooded ISIS expansionism. “Greater Israel” is just as chauvinistic and irrational a notion as “Greater Islamic State” – it is the mentality of realpolitik so-called religionists.

            http://www.mintpressnews.com/zionism-and-isis-opposing-forces-or-two-sides-of-the-same-coin/199482/

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  • 40. akarimomar  |  December 18, 2015 at 8:49 am

    Lagi Banyak Seminar Pendedahan Ancaman Rencana Kristianisasi (SPARK) Akan Diadakan
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