Christmas created by taking bits from here and there

December 25, 2015 at 12:41 pm 115 comments

The following are place names usually associated with Jesus — Bethlehem, Galilee, Nazareth, Jerusalem. Geographically, their location is biblical Judea in the Middle East. The Bible does not say that it snows here.

There are no reindeer either.

Christmas trees are not the natural vegetation in a desert area but a 17th-century German invention.

The custom of giving gifts during Christmas was popularized in the 1800s Victorian era.

Christmas stockings have more to do with Sinterklaas than with Jesus. Hanging mistletoe is something done by the ancient Druids.

stonehenge

Pagan celebration of spring equinox

The umbrella term ‘pagan’ (related to the Latin word meaning ‘field’) was given to rural folks – infidels – by Christian missionaries.

This was because paganism had still persisted among the non-believing farming community whereas “early European Christianity was an urban phenomenon” (see ‘Pagan Roots? 5 Surprising Facts About Christmas’, Live Science).

Proposed Starbucks UBAH logo by Matthew Inham

Proposed Starbucks logo as UBAH-ed by cartoonist Matthew Inham

Christians also took Easter from the pagans

‘Easter’ originated from the name Eostre, the great Mother Goddess of the Saxons, a people of north-west Germany who also invaded Britain.

Eastur was similarly the Spring Goddess of the Teutons (Germanic people).

“Eastre” is the Old English word for spring.

BELOW: Dancing around the maypole to greet the arrival of spring

maypole

Marking end of harvest season, beginning of winter

The Christians tried to take over Halloween or All Hallows Eve as well. Halloween is on Oct 31 whereas the Church designated Nov 1 the day of the feast of the saints or all souls day.

Halloween really originated from Samhain, an ancient Celtic/Gaelic celebration. Samhain is a festival of the dead. It’s symbolized by the approaching winter which is the cold, dark time of the year.

Winter solstice celebrated by people of the earth

Winter solstice is the day of the year which has the shortest period of sunlight. Most cultures, including the Chinese, celebrate it.

“In Persia, the solstice marked the birthday of Mithra, the Sun King”, according to the Everett Public Library.

In other words, Dec 22 or thereabouts is the ‘birth’ of the sun. After solstice, the winter daylight hours start getting longer.

“Father Christmas and his other European variations are modern incarnations of old pagan ideas about spirits who traveled the sky in midwinter”, said Bristol University academic Ronald Hutton, according to the Pagan Roots article.

MotherMary

Yay, the Son of God is born

Scholars and experts debunk the Dec 25 birth date

There is no historical record that Jesus was born on Dec 25. And this birth date for Jesus wouldn’t have made sense anyway going by biblical narrative.

The shepherds were in the fields watching their flocks at the time of Jesus’ birth, the Gospel (Luke 2:7-8) tells us.

Mary

Shooting star streaking through the sky

And the Star of Bethlehem was seen, thus setting the scene at nighttime when sensible shepherds wouldn’t be out shivering in the fields.

“December is cold and rainy in Judea”, according to Celebrations: The Complete Book of American Holidays (via UCG website).

“In ancient times, Dec 25 was the date of the lavish Roman festival of Saturnalia, a sort of bacchanalian thanksgiving,” said Joe Rao, a meteorologist and astronomer.

saturnalia

Christmas came from the Saturnalia tradition

Saturn – who gave his name to Saturnalia – is an ancient Roman god.

Invicti SolisHis Greek counterpart is Cronus, the son of Uranus and father of Zeus. Cronus’ wife is Gaea (Mother Earth).

Saturnalia was celebrated around the time of the winter solstice, explained Rao in an article for SPACE.com.

“And in 275 AD, the Roman Emperor Aurelian commemorated a feast day coinciding with the winter solstice: Die Natalis Invicti Solis (The birthday of the Unconquered Sun)”, wrote Rao.

Judea

Christians take from everybody!

The land where Jesus lived looked something like the photo above where snow is uncommon.

Christian powers also took this land – Palestine – and gave it to the nascent Israel. The day of birth of modern Israel was 14 May 1948, this we know for sure.

BabyJesusPutting recent history aside, Joseph and Mary had journeyed to Bethlehem two thousand years ago to register Jesus’ birth in a Roman census, according to the Bible story in Luke 2:1-4.

The parents of Jesus did not travel by sleigh.

But anyway … doing some detective work from this ‘Roman census’ clue, Jack Kilmon (see his article in History.net) puts Oct 3 in the year 7 BC as the likely day that Jesus was born.

Interestingly, that day was a Yom Kippur, which is the Jewish Day of Atonement. Hahahahaha

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  • 1. grkumar  |  December 25, 2015 at 2:13 pm

    Christmas and the birth of the “king of kings” and passover is a variation to the ancient Hindu story of the birth of the Lord Krishna. (note the similarities between Krisna and Krista)

    When we consider the story of how baby Jesus appeared in the heart of his mother Mary by immaculate conception, as well as the bright star appearing in the night sky, we can discern a direct parallel to Lord Krishna’s birth three thousand years earlier in Vrindavana, India, as recorded in the Vedic literature.

    It is described in the ancient Vedic texts how Krishna appeared in the mind of Vasudeva, Krishna’s father, and was then transferred into the heart of His mother, Devaki.

    During Krishna’s birth, the bright star Rohini was high in the sky, and the king at the time, Kamsa, actually ordered the killing of all the infants in an attempt to kill Krishna, similar to the way Herod was supposed to have done as described in the gospel of Matthew. And just as a multitude appeared among the shepherds in the hills praising God at the time of Jesus’ birth, there were also many demigods who came and danced and sang about the glories of Krishna when He was ready to appear in this world.

    Krishna was born in a cave-like dungeon, while Jesus was also born in a cave like cattle shed, although some say it was a manger in a barn.

    Rays of light illuminated the area after they had taken birth. While newly born, they both spoke of why they had come to this world. And as wise men were supposed to have presented Jesus with frankincense and myrrh, baby Krishna was also presented with gifts that included sandalwood and perfumes.

    At the time when Krishna left this planet, His foot was pierced with an arrow, while Jesus’ side was pierced with a spear.

    The only differences I can see is that unlike at Christmas the Hindus don’t go round getting drunk (or merry where the greeting comes from). They do that all year round.

    Hallelujah Hannah Yeoh. Muniandy is God after all.Worship your man Hannah.

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  • 2. Ben  |  December 25, 2015 at 2:37 pm

    ..hmmm.. something to ponder, between fact, fantasy and fallacy..

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    • 3. grkumar  |  December 25, 2015 at 7:26 pm

      Christianity is all of the above. Only problem is finding the facts that are Christian. Ben Laden?

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  • 4. mat  |  December 25, 2015 at 4:40 pm

    Even Santa Claus is also a creation, a creative fantasy. How can Christmas relate to Santa and what he has to do with north pole. Also the toy factory in north pole. Maybe you can also expose the Santa and coca cola connection.

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  • 5. Harlequin  |  December 25, 2015 at 4:46 pm

    Christmas has always been special to me.

    My family were not Christians, but they set up a tree and I always get presents when I was a kid. I love the blinking lights and how the glittery powder on the cards fall everywhere when I shake it hard enough. Even rotan cannot stop me from making sure the glittery stuffs fall everywhere.

    When I was overseas, Christmas became depressing. I was cold and alone.

    Back in my working days, Any festive celebration designated as a public holiday works for me just as well. Lol

    Happy Holiday Helen.

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  • 6. Where's The Justice  |  December 25, 2015 at 4:53 pm

    What an article to write on Christmas day. And you wonder why people call you a bitter,sad and twisted person. Am so glad I am not you.

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    • 7. Helen Ang  |  December 25, 2015 at 5:11 pm

      You are stalking me even on your festive holiday. How twisted.

      And how sad indeed to be a masochist torturing yourself reading my blog and commenting bitterly here rather than spending time at worship or imbibing the Christmas cheer and intoxicating spirits.

      Nope, you’re not me. You’re an evangelista. So why don’t you just trot along to church or to a pub where they have a X’mas party?

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      • 8. Spectre  |  December 25, 2015 at 5:26 pm

        He is showering you with love l o l

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      • 9. grkumar  |  December 25, 2015 at 7:28 pm

        If they will have him. Even the drunk and Christians have a sense of pride and dignity.

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        • 10. Where's The Justice  |  December 25, 2015 at 7:50 pm

          Grow some balls and tell us what you really think about Islam, dude. This goes to Helen and all the other hypocrites on board as well.

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          • 11. Helen Ang  |  December 25, 2015 at 8:06 pm

            You’re active in Hypocrite No.1’s Twitter timeline. Why don’t you ask her what she really thinks about Islam, mate. And all the other hypocrites on board as well.

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            • 12. Spectre  |  December 25, 2015 at 8:25 pm

              Now Helen you have just called him out. He’s going to go berserk and he’s going to stalk you with extra intensity l o l I m not joking l o l Notice his spin by asking us to tell him what we think of Islam. Depending on the occasion, he’s a spin doctor, a hatchet man, a hired gun, you name it. He’s just like that Rock fella minus the crude language but you never know. He could turn anytime.

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          • 13. An Ordinary Malaysian  |  December 25, 2015 at 8:42 pm

            Where’s The justice,

            Like me save Helen the trouble of answering what Islam is :)

            Islam, like Christianity, is also a mish-mash of different religions, eg Judaism, Zarostrianism, etc etc.

            Just like in Christianity, there is also an element of fantasy in Islam, eg flying horse, splitting moons,.etc.

            Religions depend on such fantastic claims to impress their followers :)

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          • 14. AE  |  December 25, 2015 at 8:48 pm

            ahh.. So suddenly bringing up islam? Why? Want to put it through the mud so that your PAGAN infused religion looks better. This is what i think about christian, the church and Jesus the Son of God. ALL OF IT IS A LIE. Christmas is a lie just like Santa is. Easter is a lie just like the bunny is.
            Give me proof that Jesus the prophet sanctioned the creation of the christian church..he didnt did he? Jesus the son of god does not count since he is created 200 years later by a pagan king.i repeat…PAGAN! It is a lie from the start and these evangelist is here to make it into a bigger lie. What kind of god sanctioned using hedonistic claptrap to attract more believers? Dionysus might….oh wait..that is a PAGAN god!!!!
            My sincerest hope that all christian children have a very merry christmas while being lied to by their parents about Santa just the way is was did to them in their childhood. Wonder when will the LIE stops….

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            • 15. Where's The Justice  |  December 26, 2015 at 12:58 am

              “So suddenly bringing up islam? ”

              That was not meant for you, you butthurt little person. It was meant for our mate, grkumar who clearly thinks very little of both religions but only has the guts to call out one for obvious reasons. Helen is no different in this way. They are both cowards and hypocrites of the highest degree.

              To write a piece condemning Christianity and Christmas on Christmas day is low, even for Helen, don’t you think? You lot jumped up and down when Alvin Tan decided to take a picture of himself and his then girlfriend eating pork during Ramadan. Why the double standards? Why is it that only Muslim sensitivities should be respected and not the sensitivities of the Christians?

              ” Jesus the son of god does not count since he is created 200 years later by a pagan king.i repeat…PAGAN! ”

              Are you calling your Allah and Muhammad liars? You clearly are calling your Islamic religious texts fictional pieces of writing as both the Hadith and the Quran don’t ever ever elude to the Bible being corrupted.

              And Christ’s divinity is found all throughout both Testaments. Since there is no evidence of the scriptures being corrupted, and the Islamic texts testify to the scriptures of the Jews and Christians as being the uncorrupted word of God, then Christ is clearly the Son of God.

              Perhaps read a few pages of teh Christian scriptures before you decide to come up with the standard Muslim objections about the non divinity of Christ etc.

              If you can’t prove to me by citing specific passages from your religious scriptures that the Bible and the Torah have been corrupted, then logic suggests that you have to renounce Islam as it clearly contradicts the teachings from the scriptures that came before it.

              I on the other hand can prove to you from your Hadith and the Quran, passages actually instructing Muslims to refer to the Jewish and Christian scriptures, and will prove it to you right now.

              “Verse (10:94) surat yunus: So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.”

              “Quran Chapter 5 V 43: But how is it that they come to you for judgement while they have the Torah, in which is the judgement of Allah ? Then they turn away, [even] after that; but those are not [in fact] believers.”

              The above verses that came around circa 700-800 AD clearly states that the scriptures of the Christians and Jews have been maintained in its original state, otherwise why would the followers be asked to refer to them? So, you harping on about the Council of Nicaea( AD 325) etc over the last few months makes zero sense. The irony of it is that if it is true and the Bible was corrupted during the Council of Nicaea, then you have to reject your scriptures also as they clearly reject this notion.

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              • 16. AE  |  December 26, 2015 at 5:06 pm

                WTJ, Quran is not a current issues chronicle of the said times. It does not put date or timestamps so quit trying to put things in a timeline. The second verse that you quote actually tell us that the previous scripture is in fact tainted. They came to our prophet to legitimise their version but turn away when it doesnt go their way. I have no time to elaborate this to the likes of you so you should google it up just like you did with the two verses you have put forth.
                Why dont you try to answer first why your religion is now so far away from what your scripture edicts? Why women didnt cover their heads, the pork and alcohol you consume, why are most christian male uncircumcise, borne or borned again? Why is adultery had become the norm of christian youngsters today. No need to bring up anal, everybody knows it is a loophole because it wasnt mentioned specifically in your scriptures…or was it intentionally left out during “that” council especially for your priesthood?
                There is at least two ways to skin a cat….

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                • 17. Where's The Justice  |  December 26, 2015 at 7:28 pm

                  “Why women didnt cover their heads, the pork and alcohol you consume, why are most christian male uncircumcise, borne or borned again? ”

                  A simple google search will give you the detailed answer to this, so I will leave it to you. But to keep it short, those were the laws issued to the Jews and it was done according to Mosaic law. Once Christ came, he eradicated some of the OT laws.

                  Lets put religion aside for a minute and view this objectively. Are the things that you mentioned above really the worst things in the world? Is it honestly a sin if some bird decided not to cover her head? After all, she came into the world without a head scarf, and surely in a hot country, she’s just trying to be comfortable, right? Is eating pork really as bad as slandering someone, or stealing from someone, or being corrupt etc? Who are you actually hurting by eating pork? On the scale of one to a hundred on the sin list, these would hardly register imo.

                  “Why is adultery had become the norm of christian youngsters today.”

                  I think you are referring to sexual immorality among the youngsters, and not adultery? Anyway, the answer to this is because many Christian youngsters are only Christian in name. Most of them are just following the instincts that God has given them and religion is the last thing on their minds. I myself often question the laws imposed on us when our God given instincts were created in total opposition to these laws.

                  I’m not condoning this, but am just telling you that very few youngsters these days, regardless of creed actually adhere to religious teachings. If you think that the Malay teenagers are squeaky clean, then you really have no idea as to what’s going on. Some of the stories will shock you.

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                  • 18. Abdullah  |  December 27, 2015 at 12:12 am

                    Allah Most High bestowed upon the progeny of Adam several aspects of faculties and instincts. The human soul is imbued with animal and satanic instincts, and also human rationality and angelic inclinations. Ultimately, as the blessed Prophets in their exertions towards goodness, compassion and justice, they were adorned with divine wisdom for subjugating their egotististical selves in the love of their Lord. His laws are meant to guide us all on the way back to our pristine primordial souls.

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                  • 19. islam1st  |  December 27, 2015 at 12:22 am

                    I’ve said it before and I will say it again, WTJ the religion is not for YOU!

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                    • 20. Where's The Justice  |  December 27, 2015 at 4:08 am

                      Islam1st, I have been asking this question to some of Helen’s loyal followers, and I will ask you as well. Do you think writing a provoking article like this on Christmas day is appropriate? What good does it do? What’s the purpose behind it?

                      The ones who have answered me are extremely happy that she has posted this, but I somehow doubt they would have been as happy if she had written an article condemning some of the Islamic beliefs and their origins.

                      Note that apart from myself, not one person has actually condemned or disagreed with her for this to this point. What do you think?

                    • 21. Harlequin  |  December 27, 2015 at 8:01 am

                      WTJ

                      Quote: Note that apart from myself, not one person has actually condemned or disagreed with her for this to this point…

                      Not true bro,

                      I don’t think it’s exactly in the right spirit to dampen the Christmas spirit of others.

                      But this is Helen’s blog.

                      As readers, we hold the absolute power whether to allow ourselves to be offended by her blog postings or otherwise.

                      We can participate in the discourse or just walk away. The call is ours.

                      Credit to Helen where it is due, she never censors or delete dissenting comments. Not many blogs give that kind of latitude to their readers. This is a fact.

                      You have already said your piece and made your point, that is more than enough. There is no need to waste time engaging certain sycophants and hypocrites.

                      Cheers

                  • 22. AE  |  December 27, 2015 at 3:48 pm

                    Oh my. The created can decree the creator’s law as oudated and does not apply to them? How very “Council of Nicaea” the christian is. So isnt the coming of Muhammad makes the christian belief and the church obsolete? Isn’t Allah your god? Be very careful with your answer WTJ.
                    A pig is a pig no matter what you call it. Adultery is sex outside of wedlock..any kind of sex. Calling it another name would not absolve its practitioner. I would say that christian adulterer have it good, just tell the priest all the gory details and you would exit the stall all clean like baby jesus on christmas. If i am a christian, i would oppose these priest shelling out absolution willy nilly. The consequence be the parents will have no responsibility to nurture good morals on their offspring since they also seek easy absolution for every sin they commit and this will be copied by the children. Why do we need good morals when having fun is much better? The priest can always give us absolution afterwards.
                    Btw, there will be sinners in any religious circle but i dare say adultery is much more prevalent in christian community, young or old, than in muslim’s. That why it is such a shock hearing those malay girls stories….they are a rarity.

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                    • 23. Where's The Justice  |  December 27, 2015 at 6:04 pm

                      “Oh my. The created can decree the creator’s law as oudated and does not apply to them?”

                      When did I do this? Or are you referring to Christ? Christ isn’t the created in Christian theology, just in case you forgot.

                      “So isnt the coming of Muhammad makes the christian belief and the church obsolete? ”

                      Haha, why limit it to Muhammad? What about the thousands of Indian prophets who are also claiming to be of God?

                      In Christianity, Muhammad is viewed as a heretic, and not from God. He’s actually viewed as an antichrist as predicted in scripture. This might be upsetting to you but surely you see why we believe this, right? The two theologies could not be more different from each other and his denial of the crucifixion is as blasphemous as it can get in the eyes of a Christian.I’m not trying to be controversial here, am simply representing the Christian position, so don’t get too pissed off. This following verse from John spells it out.

                      “1 John 2:22 – Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.”

                      “A pig is a pig.”

                      So can’t a cursed animal be uncursed again? Surely an all powerful presence can do this? Whether you like it or not, as I mentioned earlier, Christ removed certain laws from the Old Covenant as they were no longer deemed necessary.

                      “Adultery is sex outside of wedlock”

                      Did I say that adultery was acceptable? No. But unlike you, I use my God given brains to question certain things. God has made us as visual and sensual beings, so he’s not going to send you to the pits of hell if you falter every now an again and are truly sorry for it.

                      The main difference between Islam and Christianity is how we perceive God. In Islam, it’s a master to slave relationship. In Christianity, it’s a father to son relationship, where fallible beings deserve mercy and forgiveness. This is where the concept of confession comes in. Remember, a confession is only valid if the person is truly sorry for his or her sins, and will try not to commit them again.

                      Giving in to your sexual urges is nothing compared to other cardinal sins imo. Somehow Muslims and Christians, especially the older generations will view this as the worst possible thing in life. I personally think that cheating, slandering, coveting your neighbors possessions and sins associated with pride are so much more grave than sins of the flesh.

                      What about homosexuality? Is it fair to send homosexuals to hell fire simply because they were born in that way? I personally believe that the answer is a definite no. Why should an innocent homosexual suffer for tendencies that God created in him? These poor people are already living hell on earth trying to reconcile their sexuality in a hypocritical and judgmental world.

                      How the Islamic and Christian communities have ostracized these people is beyond a disgrace in my humble opinion. I really do take my hat off to Pope Francis for asking the Christian community to start embracing these people.

                      Muslims are forever complaining about their sensitivities being trampled on, well you guys are happily trampling on the sensitivities of the gay and lesbian community on a daily basis. So hypocritical if you ask me. Truly, the secular community can be so much more humane than the religious folk at times.

                      Honestly, an atheist will have a field day taking a theist apart if logic is applied to an argument. You really need to apply logic to your faith, dude. It’s so rigid by the sounds of it and not in tune with reality.

                      “That why it is such a shock hearing those malay girls stories….they are a rarity.”

                      I think just about every reader on this blog must think that you are on crack if you actually believe this. Malay girls are some of the most sexually promiscuous girls on the planet. The tudung covered ones are just as bad btw. You really are living in denial if you can’t recognise this. It’s an open secret that most Malaysians are aware of.

                    • 24. Helen Ang  |  December 27, 2015 at 6:51 pm

                      WtJ,

                      Going by the abundant views you’ve expressed above and your (religion) superiority complex and not to mention your disdain for Malay (girls), I’m not at all surprised that there is friction bordering on confrontation between Christians like you and the Muslims.

                      What makes your lot so confident that you can simply vent – let off steam by saying whatever rude things you like – without fearing any consequences?

                    • 25. Helen Ang  |  December 27, 2015 at 7:11 pm

                      re: “simply vent – let off steam by saying whatever rude things you like”

                      I believe the phrase you Christians like to use is “spew vitriol”.

                    • 26. Where's The Justice  |  December 27, 2015 at 7:28 pm

                      Helen, just what exactly did I say that was so insulting to the Malay/ Muslim community? AE asked me a bunch of questions relating to matters of faith and I answered them. And you clearly found what he wrote to be perfectly acceptable, right? Typical. Just what’s your problem?

                      Do you want me to take the politically correct approach and not state what the Christian position on Muhammad is? Is it suddenly taboo to state what we all already know about the sexual immorality of Malay girls? I mean, Indian and Chinese girls are no better, but AE made a statement which I strongly disagreed with in terms of how chaste most Malay girls are. So, should I just pander to him since he’s a Muslim, like you clearly do?

                      You are such a sell out and one of the biggest hypocrites I know. And please don’t be silly by diverting this to Hannah. I’m referring to you, not Hannah.You seem more than ok provoking Christians whenever you want to but somehow Islam is off bounds. What a nasty piece of work you are. Like Harlequin suggested, writing this article on Christmas day was in such bad taste. Then again, I shouldn’t have expected anything less from you.

                    • 27. Helen Ang  |  December 27, 2015 at 8:42 pm

                      re: “writing this article on Christmas day was in such bad taste”

                      If my article on the origins of Christmas was in bad taste, then what do you call your diatribe above? “What a nasty piece of work you are.” Typical evangelista.

                    • 28. Where's The Justice  |  December 27, 2015 at 7:39 pm

                      Another thing Helen, if you ready my post again, you will find that I do attack the Christians as well. I think I was pretty fair and like I have said before, I have almost as little respect for the Christians in this country as I do the Muslims. If you are not happy with my views and find them provocative, just don’t post them.

                    • 29. Helen Ang  |  December 27, 2015 at 8:35 pm

                      re: “you will find that I do attack the Christians as well”

                      And that’s not being “divisive”? Where’s the love?

                    • 30. AE  |  December 27, 2015 at 9:12 pm

                      1)I was referring to you christians. Read back your comment and you will find that you actually say this. ;) the downside of talking too much is you usually forget what you actually say.
                      2) Jews also have this view that Jesus the prophet is a heretic. History does repeat itself. When are people going to learn…
                      3) i dont know about your god but my God put temptation before his ultimate creation so that we can rise above it and be a worthy ruler of this world. That is the difference between us humans and pigs. Pigs does whatever it wants at the moment. Eat when food is in front of it. Copulate indiscriminately when another gender is around. You can choose to live like a pig now and go to hell later or you can resist temptation and go to heaven. Simple choice for muslims. Cant say that about you.

                      Is there a difference whether you have sex with a single, a married person, a neighbor, an oversea foreigner. All are ADULTERY. Human immersing in pig culture. The root cause is the same, the inability to conquer temptation. Well. Pigs go to the lake of fire.

                      4) LGBT. Again i dont know about your god but my God only create 2 genders. Male and female. There is different cultures and races all over the world but only 2 genders. There is asexual creatures such as the Paramecium and other bacteria. If adulterers is immersing in pig culture,what kind of culture are these LGBT immersing in being a paramecium? These arent God’s creation. They are molded by their environment, bad parenting (real muslim parents will be heartbroken if their child turned gay, i dont know about other religion)and peer pressure. I have seen straight guy become damaged because he have an officeful of gay friends or comes with a set of all sisters siblings. Dont blame God if you cant resist temptation and choose wrongly. But if the pope says its okay, then go bust an ass. You can always confess later.

                    • 31. Where's The Justice  |  December 27, 2015 at 9:28 pm

                      ” These arent God’s creation. They are molded by their environment, bad parenting (real muslim parents will be heartbroken if their child turned gay, i dont know about other religion)and peer pressure”

                      Oh my! The fact that you just posted this tells me that you are so out of step with what is happening. Really? No wonder atheists look down on us, most theists are living in their own fantasy world. I’m done talking to you, dude. I can’t believe you just posted this. Good night.

                    • 32. AE  |  December 27, 2015 at 10:19 pm

                      Do i care about atheist? Look down all they want. But why are you bringing them to the table? A little mix and match of faith i would presume. Take whatever you can use. Just like your council do a bit of mix and match with the pagan king eh.

          • 33. grkumar  |  December 26, 2015 at 7:43 am

            And it is your duty to tell them what is right and what is wrong with their choices? A bit like the recently retired judge Hishamuddin bin Mohd Yunus who suggests that judges are afraid to speak out and are not independent. He does not say why how and who. But by pressuring them through the media he believes they will be “independent”. By intimidation via the media through his scurrilous attacks against them they will speak up and be considered “fearless” (by his standards). He offers no proof of his assertions.

            The Malays may well consider people like you unintelligent and without any idea, because you vote for a bunch of losers who end up in jail, make far fetched claims about government fill out media pages, go to court for everything, yet lose out at the elections term in term out.

            Now I would support anyone whose idea of ‘no idea’ is the latter example. Your kind of politics.

            As for how the Muslims would feel about an article condemning their prophet, well they have let the world know in Denmark, Norway, Paris at least twice and even the pope condemned the Charlie Hebdou attacks (not the shootings by the gunmen but the cartoons and cartoonist themselves for provoking the backlash).

            No one is condemning anyone. Just pointing out some facts which fools have for so long considered God’s truth. Santa Claus and snow and fir trees and white girls and boys opening up presents under a snow covered tree in Hanson Christmas cards.

            There is always a time and a place to open up to the truth. Now is a highly relevant time for it. Because it is Christmas.

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            • 34. Where's The Justice  |  December 26, 2015 at 9:20 am

              “No one is condemning anyone. Just pointing out some facts which fools have for so long considered God’s truth. ”

              You mean like Hinduism, which you seem very fond on bringing up? Talk about a cancerous religion that ultimately created a caste system and destroyed a nation of 1 billion for multiple millennia because of this. If you are going to discuss the flaws of the respective religions, you should really start with Hinduism, and then move on to Islam.

              Christian nations are developed, prosperous and have lead the world in human rights, freedom and liberties etc. Of all religions to target, only fools would attack Christianity at the present time, when it seems obvious to many that it’s the only world religion that has benefited its followers. Perhaps the true nature of God is the one found in the Christian scriptures if the current state of the world is anything to go by.

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              • 35. Helen Ang  |  December 26, 2015 at 10:39 am

                re: “Christian nations are developed, prosperous and have led the world in human rights, freedom and liberties etc.”

                Aaaah, the Gospel of Prosperity. Prosper the Christians and let the pagans pay the price.

                The Christian nations are prosperous by colonizing the lands of the coloured people and destroying
                the infidel cultures of the “inferior races” (think their ‘White Only’ country clubs and apartheid).

                The developed Christian nations are “led the world in human rights, freedom and liberties” by wiping out and enslaving non-whites. Try googling “genocide” and native Americans.

                Look at North America and the fate of the ‘Red Indians’. South America and the continent’s many indigenous tribes. Australia and its Aborigines. New Zealand and Maoris. Everywhere around the world, see what the Christians have done to non-believers.

                The bible thumpers take, take and take. They took Africans to become slaves in the cotton fields in the American South. Slavery is alright even though the confederate states are the Bible Belt.

                CHRISTIANS, SO VERY AGGRESSIVE

                Portugal, a small Christian country, once conquered faraway Malacca with only a few ships. Little Portugal colonized Brazil, which is today the 5th largest country in the world.

                The Netherlands, a small Christian country, colonized Indonesia, a sprawling archipelago. As well as Guyana, Surinam, Chile.

                Britain, a Christian country not all that ‘Great’ in size (the whole UK can fit into North America’s Great Lakes), ruled over the Indian sub-continent and had an empire spanning the globe.

                Christian country Spain commanded an overseas empire too – Mexico, Peru, Paraguay. The Spanish conquistadors destroyed the Incan civilization.

                Christian country Germany had colonial possessions in Ghana, Mauritania and Benin.

                Christian country Italy colonized Libya, a country almost six times bigger than itself.

                Christian country France ruled over North Africa and still has territories in the Caribbean – Haiti, Trinidad and Tobago, among other islands in the West Indies, were former French colonies. France also conquered north and west Africa.

                re: “Of all religions to target, only fools would attack Christianity at the present time, when it seems obvious to many that it’s the only world religion that has benefited its followers.”

                Right on. The Englishmen Christians benefited from the colonization of Malaya alright. In 1970 (a year post-May 13), the Malays only owned 2.4 percent of the country’s corporate wealth. The bulk of Malaysian assets were still in the hands of the British.

                re: “Perhaps the true nature of God is the one found in the Christian scriptures if the current state of the world is anything to go by.”

                The Clash of Civilizations will determine.

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                • 36. islam1st  |  December 27, 2015 at 12:30 am

                  ‘Right on. The Englishmen Christians benefited from the colonization of Malaya alright. In 1970 (a year post-May 13), the Malays only owned 2.4 percent of the country’s corporate wealth. The bulk of Malaysian assets were still in the hands of the British.’

                  Azhar Ishak of NUS kata Malaya’s wealth bantu Great Britainia dua kali daripada bankrupts!!!

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                • 37. islam1st  |  December 27, 2015 at 12:34 am

                  Sorry Azhar Ibrahim

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          • 38. grkumar  |  December 26, 2015 at 2:54 pm

            Dude? Hmmmmmm…….. from which pretend ghetto doest thou hail from? Dude?

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            • 39. Spectre  |  December 26, 2015 at 3:39 pm

              Where’s The Justice originated from Darwin’s Galapagos Islands.

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        • 40. Spectre  |  December 25, 2015 at 8:31 pm

          You know, for a person who has jettisoned his own cultural heritage and in turn adopt and embrace something clearly not of his own stock, pride and dignity are concepts alien to him. Hence the identity crisis. he never, not even once, identified himself as either Chinese or Indian. He is no Malay, that is for certain. You really have to pity this person.

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          • 41. Helen Ang  |  December 25, 2015 at 8:34 pm

            re: “You really have to pity this person”

            Yeah, creepy. Hope his Aussie PR is approved and then Tasmania can keep him.

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            • 42. Where's The Justice  |  December 26, 2015 at 1:04 am

              Yeah, it will be great to live in a developed Christian nation where people have the freedom of choice and are not dictated to by a bunch of flawed Islamic religious institutions. Can’t afford to live in this country anymore. BN has destroyed the economy and inflation is at ridiculous levels now. Yet you idiots are happy to let this continue by voting them in. Go figure.

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              • 43. islam1st  |  December 27, 2015 at 12:36 am

                ‘Yeah, it will be great to live in a developed Christian nation where people have the freedom of choice and are not dictated to by a bunch of flawed Islamic religious institutions’

                So WTF are you waitin’ for??!

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                • 44. Where's The Justice  |  December 27, 2015 at 3:46 am

                  Not the brightest, are you? It takes time to organise a big move, but rest assured, I am leaving this dump. Enjoy paying a premium to live in this crime ridden country. Knowing Helen and you however, the ever increasing inflation will be somehow blamed on the opposition. You keep on mentioning the word delusional at every given moment. Delusional is continual support of a government that is draining every single cent from the pockets of the people. That’s delusional.

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                  • 45. Helen Ang  |  December 27, 2015 at 5:18 am

                    re: “the ever increasing inflation will be somehow blamed on the opposition”

                    Hahaha, where got?

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            • 46. Where's The Justice  |  December 26, 2015 at 1:15 am

              Creepy is posting articles on Hannah on a daily basis. You clearly are obsessed with her. Did she not pick you during PE class or something? At least if Hannah loses a few pounds, she will go back to being an attractive person. You on the other had…

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              • 47. Helen Ang  |  December 26, 2015 at 4:40 am

                You evangelistas are soooo creepy. What kind of incubus/succubus are you?

                GROTESQUE

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                • 48. Where's The Justice  |  December 26, 2015 at 6:47 am

                  You have just proven my point about your creepiness yet again.

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                  • 49. Helen Ang  |  December 26, 2015 at 7:14 am

                    When you point your finger at me, four fingers are pointing back at your co-religiolist creepies who nourish their Christian soul by relishing funerals – the more funerals in a week, the greater the soul feast.

                    Her funerals-food-for-the-soul tweet explains the ‘eating habit’ how Hannah got so big.

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                    • 50. islam1st  |  December 27, 2015 at 12:40 am

                      Helen, itu WTJ sudah bored lagi ke? Tak cukup bars dah ke kat Malaysia ni??

                    • 51. Helen Ang  |  December 27, 2015 at 12:45 am

                      He thinks AE is your alter ego.

                      They’re like that. Very suspicious minds. Simply say.

                      That’s how they understand the right of ‘freedoms’ – meaning they can cast aspercions, cast suspicion and doubt and make up stories how they like.

                      https://helenang.wordpress.com/2015/10/01/zahid-pemfitnah-akan-dihumban-ke-dalam-neraka/ … bagus tu.

                  • 52. islam1st  |  December 27, 2015 at 12:58 am

                    ‘He thinks AE is your alter ego.’

                    The guy is DELUSIONAL! Betul tak AE?

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                    • 53. Where's The Justice  |  December 27, 2015 at 3:51 am

                      You both seem equally silly, and every time I engage with AE, you are right there to defend him straight after. Think about it, labeling you as his alter ego is actually a compliment. One idiot is always better than two.

                    • 54. AE  |  December 27, 2015 at 5:07 pm

                      All evangelist is delusional. Their biggest cause in life is to get another person to believe in their belief even if they do not actually FULLY believe in them theirselves.
                      I actually been too busy to read lately so i couldnt partake in the evangelista bashings. WTJ, I am a whole another person so you can stop being delusional that only ONE person doesnt like your ideas.

                    • 55. islam1st  |  December 27, 2015 at 5:58 pm

                      ‘I actually been too busy to read lately’

                      Same here. Alamak, does that make us ‘one’? WTJ??

          • 56. Where's The Justice  |  December 26, 2015 at 1:09 am

            “he never, not even once, identified himself as either Chinese or Indian.”

            Does it matter? Oh yes, I forgot, we are living in a racist country where everything is based on race. Irrelevant post once again like most of the crap that you spout on here.

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            • 57. Spectre  |  December 26, 2015 at 9:30 am

              Why bother then if it’s irrelevant ? There you go again. All someone has to do is pick on you and you come out with all guns blazing, with platic bullets l o l But when it comes to flooding this blog with crap nobody does it better than you. No wonder you’re so eager to defend every single ‘crap’ you spout on here. Oh wow you’re one in a million indeed. Where’s The Justice ? Where’s The Juice ?

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              • 58. Where's The Justice  |  December 26, 2015 at 10:13 am

                “But when it comes to flooding this blog with crap nobody does it better than you”

                Not even Helen with her daily updates on Hannah’s weight issues?

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              • 61. Where's The Justice  |  December 26, 2015 at 10:24 am

                Well, come up with one relevant reason as to why I should reveal my race? I could be a Malay for all you know. It’s still irrelevant, as my views are my own and independent of my ethnic background.

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                • 62. Spectre  |  December 26, 2015 at 10:58 am

                  Well then, tell us. Are you a Malay ? If race is not an issue for you, tell us about your ethnicity. Since you made it clear that race is irrelevent, you should have no problem telling us a bit of your ethnic background. Come one now. There’s no reason for you to hide. Come out. Oh wait. Hold on. You’re going to say you’re Malaysian ? A Kiwi ? Or Aussie ?

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                  • 63. Where's The Justice  |  December 26, 2015 at 12:19 pm

                    Still waiting for a reason. Clearly, you have nothing.

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                    • 64. Spectre  |  December 26, 2015 at 2:41 pm

                      Why ? Let’s see. Your PR applications were rejected by Kiwi and Aussie governments ? No wonder you’re still here.

                    • 65. AE  |  December 27, 2015 at 1:33 pm

                      Dont do it la wtj. Hanya kerana kerbau seekor, sekandang terpalit lumpur.

          • 66. grkumar  |  December 26, 2015 at 7:46 am

            And what is my cultural heritage? and how did I “jettison” that heritage. I am not Iban or Dayak. I write and I love doing that especially where it renders people like you so seizure prone to the point you attempt to get personal. Try and keep trying. But don’t try too hard.

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            • 67. Spectre  |  December 26, 2015 at 9:23 am

              I wasn’t referring to you. I was referring to Where’s The Justice. Oh my………..

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              • 68. grkumar  |  December 26, 2015 at 2:53 pm

                yep sure

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  • 69. abd halim Rushdie  |  December 25, 2015 at 10:03 pm

    All what comandment in their book(bible) like wearing hijab,( Corinthians 11:5, )prohibition of eating pork (Deuteronomy 14:8)(,drinking alcohol (Leviticus 10:9-11) ,compulsory of circumcision (Genesis 17:9–14; Acts 7:8) ,not just they abandon that, they even humiliating it. like Nga Kor Meng humiliate hijab!.

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    • 70. Where's The Justice  |  December 26, 2015 at 1:38 am

      Please don’t comment on a religion that you clearly know nothing about. Would you get annoyed if I labelled your Prophet as a [deleted] I bet you would and would accuse me of knowing nothing about Islam, right? So educate yourself on Christian teachings and the reasons behind them before you make a bigger fool of yourself. God Bless.

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      • 71. Helen Ang  |  December 26, 2015 at 4:34 am

        Don’t use my blog as your platform to provoke Muslims.

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        • 72. Where's The Justice  |  December 26, 2015 at 6:36 am

          Again, why is it ok for a Muslim to provoke Christians? Read abd halim Rushdie’s post. Why are you such a hypocrite? Clearly pandering to the Muslims as they are the majority. AE has been belittling Christianity for a long time now, why have you never called him out on that?

          You writing this article on Christmas day to provoke Christians is ok also, is it? Can’t you see how hypocritical you are? You’ve just summed up all the main problem in Malaysia and why Malaysia really has no future.

          And my statement about Muhammad is a historical fact, or at least an Islamic fact. If they are having no problems in attacking Christianity, then they have to be prepared to get attacked as well. There’s no two ways about it, you two faced….

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          • 73. Helen Ang  |  December 26, 2015 at 7:04 am

            re: ‘Read abd halim Rushdie’s post.”

            What’s your beef with it?

            re: “Why are you such a hypocrite?”

            Tip on Becoming a Hypocrite … read Becoming Hannah.

            re: “Clearly pandering to the Muslims as they are the majority.”

            To the extent of wearing tudung when having dinner in someone’s house. Lessons on pandering … read Becoming Hannah.

            re: “AE has been belittling Christianity for a long time now, why have you never called him out on that?”

            You sound like a DAP parrot.

            re: “You writing this article on Christmas day to provoke Christians is ok also, is it?”

            re: “Can’t you see how hypocritical you are?”

            Why don’t you trying saying in your Twitter that you’re curious whether Madame Speaker has embraced Islam, and remember to tag your tweet to @hannahyeoh (pix below). And let’s see if a police report is made by her against you.

            Don’t be a hypocrite yourself just being only brave enough to create a ruckus here in my blog but timid as a church mouse otherwise.

            re: “You’ve just summed up all the main problem in Malaysia and why Malaysia really has no future.”

            Mirror, mirror on the wall
            Whose the Islam hater of ’em all?

            re: “And my statement about Muhammad is a historical fact, or at least an Islamic fact. If they are having no problems in attacking Christianity, then they have to be prepared to get attacked as well.”

            Are you declaring war on the Malay Muslims?

            re: “There’s no two ways about it, you two faced….”

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          • 74. kampong lad  |  December 26, 2015 at 11:21 am

            ‘And my statement about Muhammad is a historical fact, or at least an Islamic fact’

            what is your statement about my prophet & what is historical of islamic fact that you believe to be true? are you game?

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            • 75. Where's The Justice  |  December 26, 2015 at 12:23 pm

              Of course I’m game, and I posted it in my initial post. I don’t have an agenda here and just call it the way I see it. Kak deleted it as one religion is obviously protected while the other is open to slander from all quarters.

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              • 76. kampong lad  |  December 26, 2015 at 2:33 pm

                it’s entirely the blogger’s prerogative to delete or ‘undelete’ your statement about my prophet. so, i give it a pass. cheers!

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              • 77. Spectre  |  December 26, 2015 at 2:47 pm

                Oh my you’re such a cliche. Still here because the Kiwi and Aussie governments rejected your PR application because of your brown skin ? Where’s The Justice ? Ask the right question boy. Where’s The PR ? Oh my……….

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                • 78. Where's The Justice  |  December 26, 2015 at 3:31 pm

                  I have clearly got to you. It’s ok, you have been manshamed prison style, but there’s always another day to fight another battle. Keep your chin up, slugger.

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                  • 79. Spectre  |  December 26, 2015 at 7:03 pm

                    The Jerusubang Juice is indeed intoxicating and you’re the living proof. Oh my……………..Where’s The Juice ? l o l !

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      • 80. amir yusof  |  December 26, 2015 at 2:57 pm

        re , ‘ So educate yourself on Christian teachings ‘ .

        X mark the spot .

        http://www.vatileaks.com/vati-leaks/cross-of-christ-invented

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        • 81. grkumar  |  December 26, 2015 at 5:26 pm

          OUCH !!

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      • 82. AE  |  December 26, 2015 at 4:13 pm

        Why would you label our prophet as a [deleted]? We never say anything about jesus the prophet, we actualy respect him btw. The [deleted] is the church who twisted and cherry pick jesus the prophet words to suit their need for a PAGAN lifestyle and now being twisted by the evangelists even more to suit their need for a hedonistic lifestyles. Give me proof that jesus the prophet sanctioned the creation of any church of any denomination. The church itself is a lie.
        Why do muslim need educate ourselves on christians belief? Quran already say that you christians is a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER. Nuff said and i believe. You do not? Get lost. I for one do not learn things i do not need just because i want to attack other people beliefs. Just leave islam and muslim alone…pagan.

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        • 83. Where's The Justice  |  December 26, 2015 at 7:00 pm

          “We never say anything about jesus the prophet, we actualy respect him btw”

          Obviously you would as he is a prophet in Islam. The Bible on the other hand would portray him and people of his ilk as heretics for obvious reasons. Basically, you cannot be a true Christian and agree with most of what Muhammad taught, as the teachings are so far apart.

          But I do find a lot of Muslims to be a bunch of hypocrites, and I think even my old friend gkumar will agree with me on this one. You guys are not meant to differentiate between the prophets, right? They are all meant to be respected equally, right? Then why is it that Muslims will go on a killing spree and issue out death threats whenever Muhammad is insulted, but carry on in their merry ways whenever Jesus is insulted? I really never could figure that out.

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        • 84. Where's The Justice  |  December 26, 2015 at 7:39 pm

          “I for one do not learn things i do not need just because i want to attack other people beliefs”

          Really? You seem to be very fond in bringing up the Council of Niacea to attack Christianity on many occasions. Or perhaps it was Islam1st, your alter ego?

          “Quran already say that you christians is a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER”

          So Najib and UMNO are actually betraying Islam by associating and dealing with the many Christian countries at present? Obama coming to Malaysia recently was obviously a big no no in your eyes? Why do you continue to support this haram and non Quranic following party then?

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          • 85. islam1st  |  December 27, 2015 at 12:47 am

            ‘Or perhaps it was Islam1st, your alter ego?’

            Miss me?

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        • 86. Where's The Justice  |  December 26, 2015 at 7:49 pm

          “Give me proof that jesus the prophet sanctioned the creation of any church of any denomination.”

          Here’s a verse from the uncorrupted Bible that even the Quran endorses.

          Mathew 17-19. And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18″I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. 19″I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.”

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          • 87. AE  |  December 27, 2015 at 5:37 pm

            So there is such a thing as CORRUPTED BIBLE…thank you WTJ. ;)

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            • 88. Spectre  |  December 27, 2015 at 7:08 pm

              Any religious text that is not written in it’s original form, for instance if the Torah is not written in Hebrew, then it’s a corrupt text. If you apply this logic, then only one religious text strays from the original whereas other religious texts are in their original forms.

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              • 89. Harlequin  |  December 27, 2015 at 8:09 pm

                Quote: “The New Testament includes even more textual evidence to support its accuracy. Its 27 books were composed between the AD 40s-90s. A fragment of the Gospel of John exists from approximately AD 125. More than 5,000 Greek manuscripts exist of New Testament writings, enabling comparison to allow a comprehensive reconstruction of the earliest text. ”

                http://www.compellingtruth.org/original-Bible.html

                The earliest Buddhist scriptures/manuscripts are written in Sanskrit. So that renders the Chinese and Tibetan version corrupt texts?

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                • 90. Spectre  |  December 28, 2015 at 8:33 am

                  No because the Sanskrit version still exist.

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  • 91. faroukzahir  |  December 26, 2015 at 5:00 am

    😂 Haven’t had much time to go through the comments section of your articles lately Helen.

    What great entertainment I’ve missed from the likes of this poor chap who is still trying to figure out where justice is?

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    • 92. Where's The Justice  |  December 26, 2015 at 6:42 am

      Clearly many Malays have no idea about the concept of justice, and hence they vote UMNO. Malay rights is all that matters to many, how small minded and frankly, unjust.

      And let me ask you a question, do you think this article was appropriate on Christmas day? Was it not done to provoke Christians? How would Muslims react if an article condemning your Prophet and religion was written during your festive days? At least I am not issuing out death threats like many did to Alvin Tan and Lina Joy…

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      • 93. tebing tinggi  |  December 26, 2015 at 9:03 am

        re, Clearly Many Malays have no idea about the concept of justice .

        That’s the truth ,otherwise they wont face the problem they are facing now.

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      • 94. Prodak Sekolah Umum  |  December 26, 2015 at 9:55 am

        I’ll answer that.
        Yes!, and it is appropriate!, and thank you Helen for researching on the origin of Christmas. I’m not that rajin to look up at all the contents of the wikipedia that you served on the platter….
        Funny is it not for someone to embrace a belief without really knowing it’s background. That kind of belief is not faith but something akin to trending just like lemmings playing follow the leader.
        Provoking? Me thought it is the western culture of calling a spade as a spade.
        Saying Malays has no idea, Malays were stupid, Malays were small minded, Malays were unjust etc. etc. That is provocation!

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        • 95. Where's The Justice  |  December 26, 2015 at 10:06 am

          Great. So you should have no issues with Alvin Tan’s commentary on Islam and provocations of Muslims etc, right? Since Alvin believes that it has been a cancer on society for 1300 odd years, you sound like you are happy for him to air his views without fear of persecution. And you also should have no issues with Lina Joy freely converting to Christianity as she doesn’t believe in Islam. After all, freedom of speech and freedom in religion should be paramount, right? Or does it only apply one way?

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          • 96. Helen Ang  |  December 26, 2015 at 10:49 am

            How can you compare an article collating sober research on the origins of Christmas with Alvin’s toilet paper and Bak Kut Teh provocations?

            The fact that you attempt to do so only goes to show the putar-belit methods by which you evangelistas operate.

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            • 97. Where's The Justice  |  December 26, 2015 at 11:23 am

              “How can you compare an article collating sober research on the origins of Christmas with Alvin’s toilet paper and Bak Kut Teh provocations?”

              The intentions are the same, aren’t they? Both are made to provoke and hurt the feelings of the followers of the respective creeds. The difference being is one is done by a 26 year old larrikin who is completely anti establishment and authority, and the other is done by someone who is meant to be an impartial and somewhat respectable commentator on the political situation of the country.

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              • 98. Helen Ang  |  December 26, 2015 at 11:37 am

                re: “provoke and hurt the feelings of the followers of the respective creeds”

                Like Spectre pointed out, you’re stalking and showering me with ‘lurrrve’.

                B’cos your creed says you must love your enemy, right? So you’re turning the other cheek with your ‘love’-filled comments blitzkrieg of my blog and showing the world how evangelistas cakap serupa bikin.

                re: “The difference being is one is done by a 26 year old larrikin who is completely anti establishment and authority, and the other is done by someone who is meant to be an impartial and somewhat respectable commentator on the political situation of the country.”

                You’ve said it.

                I’m not anti establishment. I’m not anti authority. I’m impartial. I’m respectable. And I’m providing a credible commentary on the political situation of the country.

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    • 99. Spectre  |  December 26, 2015 at 11:14 am

      The chap with the moniker “Where’s The Justice” has to continue with his tired charade of asking ‘questions’ knowing that this is his one last remaining hope of wiggling himself from the mess he himself created. With every single question raised, he finds himself cornered and so he has had to cooked up more questions. You can spot the identity crisis he’s having just by reading his comments. While we happily go about stating our racial background, this chap Where’s The Justice is too afraid to tell us which ethnicity he belongs to. Just like that chap Elliot Rodger with the white father and Asian mother but who rejected his own Asian heritage by constantly identifying himself as white although he looks distinctively Asian. It must have been tortuous for him to affirm his white identity having to be reminded constantly that he looks Asian. This chap Where’s The Justice is a similar nut case. A product of the La Salle schools, yellow outside white inside.

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      • 100. Helen Ang  |  December 26, 2015 at 11:17 am

        His race is like Mr Hannah Yeoh’s, I believe.

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      • 101. Where's The Justice  |  December 26, 2015 at 11:26 am

        ” With every single question raised, he finds himself cornered and so he has had to cooked up more questions.”

        Really? I feel like I am coming out on top in pretty much every argument raised against me. But it’s not hard to refute nonsense really.

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        • 102. Helen Ang  |  December 26, 2015 at 11:44 am

          re: “But it’s not hard to refute nonsense really.”

          I’ve noticed that in the evangelista handbook on social media engagement, Rule No.1 says – Ridicule your opponent.

          I’m sure readers in general have noticed how the evangelistas will dismiss the arguments of other people with a condescending one-liner: “How absurd”, “What nonsense/rubbish/gibberish” etc.

          Learning from leadership by example

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        • 103. Spectre  |  December 26, 2015 at 12:02 pm

          There you go again. Just a statement here and there. Raise another question again only this time with the word ‘really’ and a ? mark. You’re so preditable. So typical of the La Salle type. The Jerusubang Juice must be intoxicating for you to feel that you’re coming out on top. Your wonderland is one fantasy indeed. While the chap Elliot Rodger went on rampage killing people he barely knew, all you do is stalk people on cyberspace.

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        • 104. islam1st  |  December 27, 2015 at 12:52 am

          ‘I feel like I am coming out on top in pretty much every argument raised against me.’

          NO YOU ARE NOT!

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        • 105. AE  |  December 27, 2015 at 9:26 pm

          Ah now i know why aussies and kiwis like you so much that they give you pr’ship. You are a stand up comedian. Makes so much sense now.

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  • 106. jawab  |  December 26, 2015 at 9:12 am

    Helen
    Have you seen the christmas/new year banners from wong chen and hannah yeoh all over subang jaya? She’s so dolled up i need to look repeatedly to make sure its her. She had banners for raya, deepavali etc before but never this ‘pretty’ before.

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    • 107. Helen Ang  |  December 26, 2015 at 10:05 am

      Yes, saw.

      The dolling up is to obscure the meat under her chin ,)

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      • 108. Spectre  |  December 26, 2015 at 11:20 am

        She is good news for the likes of London Weight Management. All the binge is indeed good business.

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  • 110. C72  |  December 26, 2015 at 10:12 am

    Syncretism is prevalent in most belief systems, it only varies in the extent.

    Ultimately, as long as the core teaching is not lost, then the accretions are not a threat.

    The problems occur when the fundamentals are abandoned in favour of the surface rituals and other seemingly related but actually not important beliefs.

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    • 111. Helen Ang  |  December 26, 2015 at 10:44 am

      re: “syncretism”, “accretions”

      Accurately summarized by my headline, ‘Christmas created by taking bits from here and there’.

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  • 112. Harlequin  |  December 26, 2015 at 11:56 am

    Ha, I see a robust conversation going on.

    What Helen posted about Christmas is true.

    Whatever intention Helen habors in choosing to post the above article on Christmas day, it’s reason known only to herself. This is after all her personal blog.

    To the ignoramus who thinks Christians are not aware the origin of X’mas, then he/she prolly does not have many Christian friends.

    Christmas are celebrated by many (including non-Christians) because it does not wholly relate to religiosity, but more towards a humanly kinship of giving. If Christmas offend some scrooges (religiously or otherwise) then, refrain from participating. No need to be indignant when others chose to.

    That is called tolerance, for the uninitiated.

    For the religion purists who are adamant how a pagan festival could be chosen to commemorate the birth of Christ, then this is the hard lesson when the line between politics and religion are not defined.

    When Roman Emperor Constantine embraced Christianity out of political self interests, he found a complacent accomplice in the powerful Roman Catholic Church, which declared Dec 25 as the celebratory day of the birth of Jesus Christ. Since the pagans and general population at the time were already celebrating their pagan festival on the same day, it just makes it easier for the masses to accept their Jesus birth narrative.

    Having said that, that was the time when institutionalized Christianity was at the peak and everyone was compelled to believe.

    For the mockers of early Christian practices that was tinged with politics, blood and force, then it’s high time for them to look into the mirror and disavow institutionalised and politicised faith practices of all kind.

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    • 113. grkumar  |  December 26, 2015 at 2:57 pm

      True true, I don’t think Helen (and I don’t propose to speak for her or on her bhalf) has “Christian friends. She probably has friends and if they are Christian then so be it. Why do we have to qualify “friends” with Christian or Jewish or Hindu? Perhaps thats another “Christian” quality we could ignore and leave it to them this Christmas.

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  • 114. Equalizer.  |  December 26, 2015 at 8:04 pm

    Why are you people arguing and quarrelling during this auspicious occasion and start condemning each other just because of an article which you don’t agree or agree? If you are a good “person”, I use “person” as I don’t see you as a religion related people, then you should Love Love Love Love Love for ALL. Just Smile and be Happy as your faith teaches you to be, otherwise you are not living your faith right. Right?

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  • 115. islam1st  |  December 27, 2015 at 12:14 am

    ‘So, you harping on about the Council of Nicaea( AD 325) etc over the last few months makes zero sense.’

    Some reading done in between bars eh?

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