PAS will not be joining BN, said Majlis Syura Ulama in a statement today.
Well, nobody had realistically expected that kind of formalization anyway. Not at this early juncture so soon after PAS’s split from the now dead Pakatan Rakyat.
What PAS has agreed to, however, is:
“bersetuju untuk meneruskan agenda kerjasama dengan mana-mana pihak dalam perkara kebaikan dan ketaqwaan demi untuk memperkukuhkan Islam dan perjuangannya.”
ABOVE: Charles Santiago is the DAP Member of Parliament for Klang
PAS has also determined that it is willing to cooperate with Umno on matters of safeguarding Islam.
That’s good enough for the time being for we know who the enemies of Islam are. The Quran has already warned us.
In the defence of Islam, PAS and Umno will have to put stopping the neo-Zionists as the No.1 item on their common agenda.
Muslims in the Middle East choosing their sides
It’s a horrible time for Islam presently. Relations between Syiah Iran and Sunni Saudi Arabia is presently at breaking point.
The Saudis had executed a dissident Syiah cleric recently on Saturday. The Iranians reacted by attacking the Saudi embassy in Tehran. The Saudis responded by expelling Iranian diplomats from Riyadh.
Other Muslim countries in the region quickly stepped into line. UAE downgraded, while Bahrain severed diplomatic ties with Iran.
Sudan expelled the Iranian ambassador from Khartoum while at the same time recalling its own ambassador from Tehran. Kuwait is also recalling its ambassador from Tehran.
Jordan and Egypt have condemned the attack on the Saudi embassy.
Meanwhile, Syria’s embattled President Bashar al-Assad is backing Iran, as are the Lebanese Hezbollah. (Note: It was the Lebanese Christian militia that slaughtered Palestinian refugees in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps.)
When there is a conflict, sometimes one does not have the option of remaining neutral. This is also the case with Protun vs Projib.
Tun is the de facto Opposition Leader
Let’s take the last six months. Do you recall the official leader of the Parliamentary opposition, Dr Wan Azizah, ever attacking Najib?
Has PKR deputy president Azmin been attacking Najib?
Or have PAS president Hadi Awang and Mursyidul Am Tuan Guru Harun Din been attacking Najib? These people are leaders in the opposition, and yet no gunshots from them.
Instead it is bullets from Tun that have been aimed round after round at Najib. Plus other sneaky sniper fire.
Even Lim Guan Eng does not attack Najib incessantly.
Kit Siang, yes, but certainly with much less ferocity than Tun.
So what do the Protuns expect Najib to do in this situation? Allow himself to be a sitting duck?
If you’re not with us, then you’re against us
There are three categories of Protuns:
- Those who hate Najib but still love Umno and will vote BN regardless in the next election
- Those who will sit on the fence and either abstain or spoil their votes in protest
- Those who are willing to switch their support to the opposition
Projibs are not declaring war on categories (1) and (2).
As for category (3), it’s still a democratic right for the citizen to vote for whomever he pleases. I voted twice for the opposition in 2004 and 2008, and I don’t believe that this decision should be held against me.
(Other than casting my ballot marking ‘Rocket’ during GE11 and GE12, I have absolutely nothing to do with the DAP.)
But if category (3) Umno people go beyond merely shifting their allegiance and are willing to sabotage the BN or to help/campaign for the opposition, then it’s only fair that they be regarded as the enemy.
BELOW: Very cute playacting, like what the roly-poly MCA does
MCA members who voted for DAP
To illustrate, take the MCA’s claim that it has one million members.
In GE13, the Chinese BN party obtained only 899,420 votes but these votes are from every race (Malays, Indians, Orang Asli, etc). It is clear that MCA’s own members did not pangkah ‘Dacing’.
Now if Najib were to allow his party people to emulate the MCA’s Gunting Dalam Lipatan backstabbing, then Umno is going to suffer the same fate as MCA, i.e. internal sabotage.
We can already see MCA slowly bleeding to death from having poisoned scissors tips stuck in its back.
DAP are the puppetmasters pulling the strings
It cannot be disputed that if the opposition win GE14, then it is the DAP that will be leading the government.
DAP is the strongest party. It won 38 Parliament seats during the 2013 election while PKR had only 30.
DAP is currently holding 105 DUN seats (including Sarawak) compared to PKR’s 50.
Of course lah DAP is very clever to play the “we’re only nine percent” gambit and pretending innocently to be ‘weak’ because Chinese-majority seats are limited.
But don’t be surprised if DAP spreads its wings and begin to contest Umno mixed seats by putting up DAP Malays.
Remember DAP cybertroopers are everywhere
They plead, “Oh, give us a chance and if you don’t like you can always vote us out the next term”.
You can see this trope being repeated endlessly by the DAP chameleons. Some of them nowadays are writing in BM and pretending to be Malay, and either pretending to be Protun or very deviously instigating the Protuns.
The DAP reassurance that they can easily be kicked out after one term is rubbish! Look at the chokehold that they’ve got on Selangor after only their first five years. Once they get their claws on Putrajaya, BN will never be able to recover the federal government. Ever.
If Harapan win GE14, DAP would refrain from openly heading the opposition pact upfront but they will surely be the ones calling the shots from behind the scenes.
BELOW: PAN president Mat Sabu is under Guan Eng’s thumb, eeee geli nya
If Protuns fire at will, then Projibs will take no prisoners
Anyone now who is hellbent on weakening Umno is only helping make the DAP stronger.
It’s a zero sum game. A wounded Umno (from infighting) energizes and raises the morale of the Dapsters. They’re rubbing their hands in glee watching Tun fight Najib and the Protuns hentaming the Projibs.
Pro-establishment Malays slamming Najib may not have any conscious intent to empower the DAP. Nonetheless, their actions are inadvertently causing the undesired outcome.
A desired outcome is PAS and Umno unity. This is something only Najib can pull off.
And like it or not, it is Najib who will be leading BN into 2018. It is the Projibs who will be fighting the war against the DAP. It is the Projibs who want unity – or at least cooperation/tacit understanding – with PAS.
The Protuns are doing nothing for the war effort against the opposition. Instead they are being destructive and causing harm to the ruling party at every turn.
And from what I’ve seen the last week in the blogosphere, the Protuns are so taksub to the Grand Old Man’s personality cult that they’ve lost their critical thinking faculty.
We know what drives the Dapsters. Hate, anger, resentment and gullibility – believing that they’ve been wronged but that they’re the ones selflessly turning the other cheek.
If you’re a Protun category (1) and (2) – i.e. not yet gone over to the oppo side – ask yourself what it is that you’re feeling against Najib and by extension Umno. Is it negative emotions like anger, frustration, impatience, recklessness, disgust?
I hope you realise that all this negativity of yours impairs sound judgment. When you’re not thinking rationally tapi terlalu ikut hati, then that makes it easier for you to be manipulated and made a DAP pawn.
I’ve seen up close and personal this week many Protuns take the DAP bait and fall into the oppo trap.
Helen Ang 
Forget Protun, forget Projib, forget umno…..give Pakatan Harapan a chance…..statistics says no party has ruled forever…umno has been ruling for 50 over years, and we are still nowhere to being like singapore, or denmark, or sweden, or at least japan….south korea surpassed us effortlessly….umno has brought Malaysia backwards, that’s a blaring fact….
re: we are still nowhere to being like singapore
If Sarawak were a nine-inch pie, S’pore would be the size of a raisin on top. How can you compare?
S’pore is a metropolis, everything is compact. M’sia has still got vast swathes of jungle.
When we obtained independence in 1957, the majority of the population was still agrarian, farmers, fishermen or estate workers. S’pore was already an entreport. It also inherited the colonial economy.
And like Hong Kong, S’pore had British support.
The population of S’pore is 3/4 Chinese. So if you’re going to use wealth or currency as a measure, then of course lah S’pore is ahead. They got so many kiasus who prioritize making money.
Not all our states are as yet developed. A closer comparison would be to compare the income of S’pore and Penang, rather than S’pore and Malaysia.
re: “or denmark, or sweden”
They pay a lot of income tax though. They’re small countries with small populations. Denmark 5.6m, Sweden: 9.7m
re: “or at least japan”
Japan is a homogeneous country. They all speak Japanese. We’re not like them.
re: “south korea surpassed us effortlessly”
South Korea have chaebol and a large enough domestic market for their Hyundai and Samsung when these companies started. We couldn’t produce Protons on economy of scale.
re: “umno has brought Malaysia backwards, that’s a blaring fact”
If it wasn’t for Umno, Chinese and Indians could have been expelled like they were from Burma (1930, 1942, 1962), from Uganda, from Zimbabwe or forcibly assimilated like in Thailand and Indonesia.
To cite a contemporary example, the Rohingya have been in Rakhine/Arakan for more generations than Chinese and Indians have been in Malaya.
The state can make a minority stateless if the government wishes. Myanmar’s 1982 citizenship law made the Rohingya stateless.
You oppo people are always blaming Umno. Ask yourselves, what have you given back to the country. Any of your family in the army? Have you even learned to speak the national language?
Don’t say you pay taxes, okay. The expats also pay. The MNC general managers pay more tax but they do not ask to be given a vote based on the amount of tax that they pay.
Helen,
Msia is on par/almost on par with countries like Singapore, Taiwan and South Korea in the 60s and 70s in term of standards of education, currency, economy etc. I don’t want to produce specific figures here yet. Somehow, we were left behind as time goes by. These countries have advanced few times better than us. Just look at university ranking, GDP per capita, developed/developing status, public transportation etc.
It depends on the perspective of comparison. A schoolboy who got 40 marks will have 2 comparisons. He can be happy if he compared with those below 40 marks. He will have less motivation to improve knowing that there will be people worse than him. Or he can compare with those with 41-70 marks. Then he will have motivation to improve.
re: Proton vs Hyundai cars
Proton’s first model was made in 1985. Hyundai was in 1968. Difference of 17 years. No doubt Proton will lag behind Hyundai due to the latter being an early starter. But what about the difference between the pace of both companies? Can the 17 years justify the huge gap between the 2 now? Imagine this. If both are not allowed to sell cars in their home nation, Hyundai will still survive due to international presence. Proton can close shop.
re: Rohingya
You cannot compare Rohingya vs the Non Malays in Msia. The citizenship of the latter cannot be revoked by the government. What is the point of using the revocation of Rohingya citizenship in the Malaysian context?
re: Ask yourselves, what have you given back to the country. Any of your family in the army?
Why army? They are being paid accordingly. They didn’t work for free. If they work for free, then you can call them as ‘serving/sacrificing for the nation’. Army or police are the same as other public servants like teachers, admin officer etc. I don’t think a salaried army officer is more noble than a salaried teacher. Both are paid accordingly.
re: The MNC general managers pay more tax but they do not ask to be given a vote based on the amount of tax that they pay.
Misnomer. Right to vote comes with citizenship. Whether you are rich or poor, one head equals to one vote.
drinho,
re: “Msia is on par/almost on par with countries like Singapore, Taiwan and South Korea in the 60s and 70s in term of standards of education, currency, economy etc.”
I’ve already explained why we can’t compare with S’pore which is the size of a raisin. Our neighbour has a 3/4-majority Chinese population that prioritizes making money. We have a Muslim-majority that wants to make our country a corridor of Mecca.
And as for South Korea, they’re ethnically homogeneous and today, a Christian-majority country. You want us to emulate them and become a Christian-majority country too?
re: “Somehow, we were left behind as time goes by. These countries have advanced few times better than us.”
We uplifted a majority of the Malays from being farmers and fishermen to a broad middle class of professionals. And Malaysia did this without expropriating Chinese assets (like Idi Amin did) and without expelling the minorities from the country.
re: “Just look at university ranking, GDP per capita, developed/developing status, public transportation etc.”
South Korea is very disciplined. Malaysia has Umno (paling tidak apa) and DAP (incredibly vicious neo-Zionists).
re: “It depends on the perspective of comparison.”
Yes it does. One perspective is that Malaysia is unique for being both a Muslim country and multi-religious at the same time. This is very rare. The overwhelming majority of Muslim countries have a population of above 90 percent Muslim.
See the comparison chart below.
re: “If both are not allowed to sell cars in their home nation, Hyundai will still survive due to international presence. Proton can close shop.”
There’s also the difference in attitude. Korean government officials have to use Korean cars. Government officials in BN states use Proton. Government officials in Penang and Selangor and Perak (under Pakatan) use Mercedes and Toyota Camry.
re: “You cannot compare Rohingya vs the Non Malays in Msia. The citizenship of the latter cannot be revoked by the government. What is the point of using the revocation of Rohingya citizenship in the Malaysian context?”
Yes I can. I’m comparing acceptance by the majority community. The native Burmans (who are fair-skinned like Aung San Suu Kyi) reject the dark-skinned Rohingya. And they could and did amend the citizenship law to exclude the descendants of immigrants.
The Chinese show no gratitude whatsoever to Umno for enabling their absorption as citizens.
There will come a day when the majority community will also decide to reject the minority just like the Chinese have already 95 percent rejected the majority, hating on both PAS and Umno.
re: “Why army?”
Because they sacrifice their very lives for the country. I respect that.
re: “They are being paid accordingly. They didn’t work for free. If they work for free, then you can call them as ‘serving/sacrificing for the nation’.”
Your money-mindedness is showing.
re: “Army or police are the same as other public servants like teachers, admin officer etc. I don’t think a salaried army officer is more noble than a salaried teacher. Both are paid accordingly.”
A teacher does not risk being shot at and dying from enemy fire.
re: “The MNC general managers pay more tax but they do not ask to be given a vote based on the amount of tax that they pay. / Misnomer. Right to vote comes with citizenship. Whether you are rich or poor, one head equals to one vote.”
Correct. So why are the Chinese boasting as if their vote is more precious just because they think they pay more tax?
re: Government officials in Penang and Selangor and Perak (under Pakatan) use Mercedes and Toyota Camry.
Let say they use Proton. What difference it will make to Proton’s annual sale volume? Government change cars every 5 years (I assume). You have forgotten the most important point. Proton is no longer a national car. It is now owned by Syed Mokhtar via DRB Hicom. A private company now with no government/public ownership. Why you think that Malaysians should still be ‘patriotic’ to buy Proton?
re: There will come a day when the majority community will also decide to reject the minority just like the Chinese have already 95 percent rejected the majority, hating on both PAS and Umno.
Let say the day comes. Malay rejects the Chinese. But in what way? Civil service can stop hiring Chinese. Malay voters can reject Chinese political parties. Malay can stop buying from Chinese traders. Aren’t all these already happening now? Can the Malay go beyond than these? Like abolish vernacular schools, revoke citizenship, expropriate Chinese businesses?
re: Your money-mindedness is showing.
What would a person choose to join the armed force? Really on the premise of ‘sacrificing for nation’? Or because of the benefits like pension, salary, allowance, secure employment etc? Or because of lack of skills and qualification?
re: A teacher does not risk being shot at and dying from enemy fire.
How many army have died in the course of their duty? I can only recall a few e.g. Lahad Datu incursion. Just a small percentage vs the entire armed force. Majority of the army are still safe and alive. How many times our armed forces have engaged in real war that is life threatening in order to protect the sovereignty of Malaysia?
re: “Proton is no longer a national car.”
Sebab tulah Tun melenting.
re: “Why you think that Malaysians should still be ‘patriotic’ to buy Proton?”
Countries use cars made domestically as official transport. Potus uses Cadillac.
Queen E – Bentley
Emperor of Japan – Toyota
Italy PM – Maserati
Prez of Czech Republic – Škoda
Prez of France – Renault / Peugeot Citroën
Germans – spoilt for choice!
We can’t force Malaysians to buy Proton but the MB of S’gor could use Proton as after all, the car manufacturer (assembly plants) is providing jobs for Selangorians.
re: “Like abolish vernacular schools”
Possible but I wouldn’t advise it.
re: “revoke citizenship”
No.
re: “expropriate Chinese businesses?”
Marginalizing the Chinese crony tycoons is one of the factors that caused them to fund the anti-Najib attempted coup.
re: “What would a person choose to join the armed force? Really on the premise of ‘sacrificing for nation’? Or because of the benefits like pension, salary, allowance, secure employment etc? Or because of lack of skills and qualification?”
I wouldn’t dispute your list of criteria but I still hold that there is that special element of cintakan tanahair dan sanggup menggadai nyawa. Too bad that you’re unable empathize.
Maybe this sensitivity is one of the reasons why I’m in the 5% and not the 95%.
re: “How many army have died in the course of their duty? I can only recall a few e.g. Lahad Datu incursion. Just a small percentage vs the entire armed force.”
The possibility of losing one’s life while on duty is always there. It could happen. Which means that the wife and kids have to live with an uncertainty hanging over their heads that we non-army people don’t.
re: “Majority of the army are still safe and alive. How many times our armed forces have engaged in real war that is life threatening in order to protect the sovereignty of Malaysia?”
Like I said, it’s the willingness (demanded of any soldier) to put their life on the line. The Chinese – except for the minuscule – would not join the armed forces.
‘it’s the willingness (demanded of any soldier) to put their life on the line. The Chinese – except for the minuscule – would not join the armed forces.’
KIASI!
drinho,
You should check your facts before shooting your mouth off. Malaysia was never par with Singapore even at the time of separation in 1965. Singapore’s GDP per capita was 3 times more at that time. It is the same for Korea and Taiwan. No doubt these countries have done well and credit must go to them. However comparing Malaysia to them doesn’t mean we are bad. Not many countries in the world would come out good when compared to these countries in terms of development. It is like saying “drinho is stupid because compared to Einstein, Newton and Hawking, he’s so inferior”.
I am not saying we should compare ourselves with failed states and pat on our back, like some politicians do. However when comparing, we should use common sense. If we want to excel, then we should try to emulate and compete with the best. However if we wish to see our progress, then comparison should be made with all other countries at out stage of development at the point of Merdeka.
“drinho is stupid because compared to Einstein, Newton and Hawking, he’s so inferior”
Good example!
Thanks for pointing out my inaccuracies. Didn’t you see my caveat “I don’t want to produce specific figures here yet.” I will do so now using the benchmark of GDP Per Capita (Msia vs SG). Correct me if I am wrong/inaccurate again.
re: Malaysia was never par with Singapore even at the time of separation in 1965. Singapore’s GDP per capita was 3 times more at that time.
Refer here (data from World Bank):
https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=ny_gdp_pcap_cd&idim=country:MYS:IDN:THA&hl=en&dl=en#!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ny_gdp_pcap_cd&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=country&idim=country:MYS:SGP&ifdim=country&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false
SG GDP Per Capita 1965: $516
Msia GDP Per Capita 1965: $333
Difference: 516/333 = 1.55x or 55% (i.e. SG is 55% higher than Msia)
You said “3 times”, i.e. $333 x 3 = $999.
I said “on par”, i.e. $333.
Looking at the figure from World Bank, we were both inaccurate. However, I would say that your “3 times” is even more inaccurate than my “on par”.
Now let us look at the pace of growth (SG vs Msia since 1965 to 2014).
SG: $516 to $56,287 (109x)
Msia: $333 to $10,933 (32x)
Msia is only growing at one-third of SG’s pace. What went wrong for the past 49 years (1965 – 2014)? We are only taking about GDP Per Capita here. Lots of other parameters/benchmarks will similarly indicate our slower pace of growth. Whether in economy, education and even public transportation.
re: However if we wish to see our progress, then comparison should be made with all other countries at out stage of development at the point of Merdeka.
Which country you would suggest then? What benchmark you will use?
l o l !
Of course no party rules forever. The elites rule forever. The 1%. They fund the parties so that whoever comes to power they serve the elites. Multi party democracy serves not the people. It serves the elites. l o l !
Of course Umno has failed. Their failure is all the more visible in the information age. But don’t worry. Another party replacing Umno will surely surpass Umno’s record of failure in record time with the world now changing so much more rapidly.
The truth is, Malaysia under Umno has missed the boat to developed world status. Now with rapid globalization, with rapid movement of ideas, goods, capital, people it will be harder for the likes of Malaysia to achieve developed nation status. Why would capital and talent stay in Malaysia knowing that the grass on the other side is greener ?
Put your faith in Pakatan Harapan for all you want. Those with the means are not going to stick around. Umno ? Riding into the sunset under that coward.
Helen,
Initially I appreciate Tun’s criticizing Najib. Najib too me is underestimating the support from Malays who defend UMNO, BN. And Najib rewarded MCA by giving it Ministerial post when everyone can see even MCA members voted DAP in. To me the act of appointing MCa is an insult to UMNO and Malays who voted BN in.
At the beginning I tend to agree with Tun’s damning assessment of 1MDB. But as Arul kanda responded swiftly on every questions raided by practically anyone , I begin to feel that 1mdb is not as it was maligned by the oppositions.
TUn helped to bring down Abdullah Badawi. and in the process he had a role in giving Selangor to PR. UMNO or malays cant afford another blunder again.
im sorry Helen, but are you implying the criticism againts 1MDB ( the crux of all of this) are invalid?
I would say im in category no 2 but really, am no Mahathir fanboy.
i dont really care abt Arul Kanda – he was brought in to clear up the mess that 1MDB got themselves into. the fact remains: questionable (bad) business decisions were made. Will we ever see ANYONE accountable for these decisions?
My word is highly unlikely….
re: “questionable (bad) business decisions were made”
A lot of questionable and bad business decisions were made too by Tun.
Thats why i said, Im not a fanboy of him either.
But we are talking of the gov of the day here.
And for how long should we let this kind of attitude go on?
I can only sigh whenever I see the Auditor’s yearly report…
re: “And for how long should we let this kind of attitude go on?”
I don’t like things that the Najib admin does such as creating Talentcorp, Pemandu, NUCC, etc. You don’t like 1MDB.
But it doesn’t mean that the oppo doesn’t do the same. Selangor created Menteri Besar Incorporated (MBI), Penang created Chief Minister of Penang Incorporation (CMI) and now Azmin has created DIEG.
Anything that BN does, Pakatan has also followed suit.
Of course we can kick out everything but what will be its replacement. Kick out Najib. Replace with Muhyiddin/Zahid/Hisham. Any better?
Kick out BN, replace with Harapan. In effect, this means kick out Umno, replace with DAP. This course of action is madness.
DAP is dajjal. Like I’ve been saying, the DAP is incredibly vicious. DAP have got the Bintang Tiga saka. Ask your parents/grandparents about the behaviour of the communists
re: “I can only sigh whenever I see the Auditor’s yearly report…”
How many millions spent to paint the KL_Selangor arch along the Federal Highway? You put Lim Guan Eng in Bangunan Perdana Putra tomorrow, the same civil service will still be in place.
Unless you believe that Harapan is cleaner and will “bersih”kan the country. This I don’t believe. I’m convinced the oppo is much worse.
Thankfully PAS is now beginning to see the light. It took them close to eight years to see and be revolted by the DAP’s true colours.
Like I said, the party replacing Umno will surpass Umno’s record of failure, of cronyism in record time. With the state gov like Penang and Selangor they pale in comparison to 1MDB but look, give them the Federal Treasury and they will prove just as greedy as Umno. Which is why we now have money and talent fleeing the country. Why do you think Malaysians are buying property in UK, Australia ? To secure their wealth from whatever regime that rules Malaysia now and the future. Malaysia is already a lost cause, some might call the country a basket case but who can blame them.
Spectre,
“….the party replacing UMNO…”
And the party is DAP. No two way about it. Whatever said and done about UMNO, it is much better than DAP. It is not ruthless. It could not care much if its leaders “kena maki hamun”.
Those who hate UMNO and everything that it represents can still curse UMNO in mosques, churches. IMAGINE saying that if Guan Eng is the PM. You will end up in jail.
As for talents “fleeing…” , it happens all the time to many other countries. High wage is a major factor. I have a schoolmate working in Sudan in 1990s. Does that mean he left Malaysia for good? Ad people buy property in Australia for investment. Whether they hate UMNO or they love Najib , they will still buy beautiful houses in that continent,
Malaysia since independent seldom has good ratings among Western media. To them, a country ruled by a brown Muslim is a sure fail case. But if we submit to them, Malaysia is good.
Tun was ridiculed for refusing IMF help( or trap). UMNO is viewed as racist when the opposite is the truth. To them only Mat salleh has global wisdom.
BUT MALAYSIA WILL DEFINITELY BE A FAIL CASE IF DAP takes over. Imagine a racist party takes over.
re: Anything that BN does, Pakatan has also followed suit. (MBI, DEIG, CMI)
You are right. Oppo followed what the BN did. The next question is the quantum. How much debt these entities incurred? Did these entities sold assets to foreigners to settle debt? Did authorities form a taskforce to investigate these entities? Did any of these entities attract adverse international coverage in WSJ and Bloomberg?
BTW, I thought MBI and CMI were in existence before PR took over Selangor and Penang?
re: How many millions spent to paint the KL_Selangor arch along the Federal Highway?
As per news, it was financed by donation. Remember, donation is now perfectly legal after Najib’s 2.6 bil donation. Wait for the painting to finish and you will see names of donor.
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2015/12/22/kota-darul-ehsans-rm9-8m-facelift-financed-by-donations/
If really fishy, how come no investigation by MACC and police?
re: Unless you believe that Harapan is cleaner and will “bersih”kan the country.
I would say both are dirty and corrupted. However, both are not equal evils. One is more corrupted than the other. We have no choice. Choose the lesser of 2 evils. How to decide? Look at the wrongdoings/wastage etc in the Auditor General reports.
re: “The next question is the quantum. How much debt these entities incurred?”
A question is availability of access. Like Spectre said, if DAP & PKR could get their snouts into the federal treasury trough, you think they wouldn’t be digging in, meh?
re: “Did these entities sold assets to foreigners to settle debt?”
Too specific in your detailing. A more general premise: Did Penang sell land to foreigners? Yes.
re: “Did authorities form a taskforce to investigate these entities?”
Good idea.
re: “Did any of these entities attract adverse international coverage in WSJ and Bloomberg?”
The consultancy that Najib paid to Apco clearly not worth its price.
re: “BTW, I thought MBI and CMI were in existence before PR took over Selangor and Penang?”
Thanks for the correction. You’re right, MBI formed during BN’s time. CMI, however, was established through special state enactment by Guan Eng.
re: “Wait for the painting to finish and you will see names of donor.”
On the same logic backflow, the RM2.6b donation to Najib is as ‘kosher’ as the donations for the arch facelift. Same principle, only the quantum different.
I’m sure if Harapan were to upgrade to the Putrajaya throne from its current Shah Alam seat, their appetite would expand accordingly.
re: “If really fishy, how come no investigation by MACC and police?”
How do you know takde?
re: “One is more corrupted than the other.”
Exactly! I’m convinced it’s Harapan. You think it’s BN.
re: “We have no choice. Choose the lesser of 2 evils.”
Good. Glad to hear that you also agree we all have to make a choice. Pick one or the other. You’re choosing Harapan. Unlike the Dapsters, I will not conduct a smear campaign against you for picking the side I find objectionable.
re: “How to decide? Look at the wrongdoings/wastage etc in the Auditor General reports.”
It took BN 59 years (since 1957) to deteriorate to their present state today. It’s taking Pakatan only eight years to become so contemptible.
In fact,
Pix above, Kampung Buah Pala villagers
re: A question is availability of access. Like Spectre said, if DAP & PKR could get their snouts into the federal treasury trough, you think they wouldn’t be digging in, meh?
MBI, DEIG and CMI are state entities. They should dig state coffers. Not federal treasury. Question now is did these entities dig into state coffers as the access are already available?
re: Did Penang sell land to foreigners? Yes.
You refer to land sales to MNCs for building factories? If yes, then which state in Malaysia does not do so?
re: Same principle, only the quantum different.
Not only the quantum/amount. Arch facelift vs 2.6 bil:
a) donor will be made known/donor unknown (and will never be revealed);
b) specific purpose to repaint arch/ specific purpose unknown (except for general election purpose);
c) underwent due process (lowest bid)/ money deposited into personal account despite meant for party purpose;
re: How do you know takde?
No news report. So I assume takde. Usually if got alleged wrong doing on oppo/investigation on oppo, sure got news right?
re: Kampung Buah Pala
Correct me if wrong. The residents are not the legal owners. They are occupiers without legal ownership. The legal owner is a Penang Koperasi. The koperasi wanted to develop the land. As far as the law is concerned, no matter how long a person occupies a land it does not give him legal ownership. If the owners decides to evict him, he has no remedy.
re: “They should dig state coffers. Not federal treasury.”
That’s because they’re not sitting in Putrajaya. Give them Putrajaya and you see how much quicker the DAP politikus become prosperous.
re: “Question now is did these entities dig into state coffers as the access are already available?”
Khalid the Scrooge was guarding the piggybank. After they’d gotten rid of him through the dirtiest of smear campaigns, Azmin quickly created DIEG.
re: “You refer to land sales to MNCs for building factories? If yes, then which state in Malaysia does not do so?”
Am referring to the ‘land swap’ with China consortium for undersea tunnel as well as a recent land deal publicized in the Umno blogs.
re: “donor will be made known”
I’ll believe it when it happens.
re: “donor unknown (and will never be revealed)”
MACC knows. And the MACC report is to be submitted to the AG.
re: “specific purpose unknown (except for general election purpose)”
Ask CSL, he admitted MCA received some. My guess is that MCA’s share went towards the cheques given Chinese schools during the election campaign period.
re: “money deposited into personal account despite meant for party purpose”
There’s no law against that. During Tun’s time also money went into proxy a/c and not Umno a/c.
re: “Usually if got alleged wrong doing on oppo/investigation on oppo, sure got news right?”
The English media is anti-gomen. Snip, snip, snip. Search Utusan. Maybe there got.
re: “The residents are not the legal owners.”
Helen Margaret Brown, a descendant of the Mr Brown who founded the plantation, had bequeathed it to them under a housing trust.
re: “They are occupiers without legal ownership.”
They were poor and uneducated. They got cheated. The trust was dissolved in 1976.
re: “The legal owner is a Penang Koperasi.”
But the land title had the condition that it cannot be transferred, mortgaged, pawned, sublet or used as a business instrument without getting written consent from the state authority/exco.
re: “The koperasi wanted to develop the land.”
On 13 July 2009, the then DCM (I) Mansor Othman and DCM (II) P. Ramasamy filed reports with the MAAC alleging irregularity in the transaction.
re: “As far as the law is concerned, no matter how long a person occupies a land it does not give him legal ownership.”
The developers did not comply with the terms of purchase. They did not pay RM2,247,000 for the Buah Pala land until 14 March 2008 (source: Anil Netto) which brings the matter into Pakatan rather than BN tenure.
The last tranche payment of RM2.25 million paid on March 14 comes almost a year after the previous payment of RM321k and almost 10 months after the Land Office asked for final payment. Since the company did not comply with the terms, the sale could have been voided.
re: “If the owners decides to evict him, he has no remedy.”
The following input is by a commenter.
“Now fraudulent transaction gives ample power to the state government according to to Section 340(2) of the NLC that clearly spells out
“Notwithstanding all this, under section 81 & 82 of NLC 1965, there is a time limit whereby the premium needs to paid, normally within three (3) months otherwise the state government has the authority to invalidate the transaction.
“In this case, YB Koh Tsu Koon’s approval was on 25/4/07, and the Cooperative paid the balance of the premium only on the 14/3/08 to the Pakatan Government led by YB Lim Guan Eng. So what happened?”
Then in the Malaysiakini report on July 30, 2009, lawyer and Petaling Jaya city councilor, Derek Fernandez, said the state government can take back the land, based on a caveat in the 99-year lease document issued by the land registrar.
He says, “It is issued with restriction ‘tanah yang diberi milik ini tidak boleh dipindah milik, cagar, pajak, pajakan kecil atau sebarang bentuk urusniaga (the land cannot be transferred, mortgaged, pawned, sub-let or used as a business instrument).”
“This restriction reduces the cooperatives to an end-user as it can build houses for members only. It cannot enter into a joint venture to develop the land or sell units to third party,” he added.
I don’t think 1MDB’s former management was as bad as it is being portrayed. Yes, some of the decisions look strange now but if you look at the context of their strategies and the situation then, I wouldn’t say there were completely wrong or incompetent.
My initial assessment was that the former CEO made some wrong decisions but after doing more reading I realise that it wasn’t so. Yes, they could have done better, but hindsight is always 20/20 they say.
I am writing a piece on 1MDB issue – watch out for it. I’ll let you know one thing here – 1MDB is being attacked left right and centre because it stepped on some huge and politically connected toes. Because they wanted to enter the power generation industry, a lot of big power companies (mainly the big conglomerates) banded together and attacking it. The same goes for the big property developers who are upset 1MDB managed to get the Bandar Malaysia contract. And most of these companies are either Tun’s cronies or DAP’s backers. So 1MDB is where the interests of Old UMNO meets the greed of DAP.
Tun’s “cult of personality”.
Well, poor chap…he can’t do much:
No hundreds of millions spent on APCO (Jewish, by the way) and PR consultants.
No paid-for coverage on CNN.
No Farid, Khairun, Habibur, or drunk mat salleh “image gurus”.
No JASA & PMO arranged coverage.
No “I Love PM” badges, banners and paid-for rented crowds.
No Helen Ang.
No “Nothing2 Hide” forums with Everything2Hide.
Tun is an amateur.
Of course, once you’ve spent hundreds of millions of public money to polish your image, then you can simply ooze charisma like this:
(APCO & Paul Stadlen taught him the hand gestures and the dramatic, shrill, high-pitched screaming.)
Money well spent.
“Choooooooooookup!”
Cukup ler engko, Pokjib.
“Choooooooooookup!”
If you were lucky enough to be at PAU 2015, you got to hear nearly 1.5 hours of that.
“Choooooooooookup!”
re: “Tun is an amateur.”
That you can say this only goes to show.
Hmmmm, well yes, Tun is indeed an amateur now – nothing more than an ordinary citizen.
Najib Razak is very much still a professional. And an experienced one, too; he’s been in politics for close to 40 years.
It doesn’t show, does it?
Tun can face an army of reporters with microphones with wit, charm, warmth, and is always relaxed.
Najib looks like an insincere, shifty-eyed crook even when in the carefully set-up TV3 studio interviews with a “host” whose only task is to lob prepared questions for the scripted answers. When there is any danger of having to answer questions spontaneously, Najib either runs away from it or remains silent; but if he’s given a controlled, stage-managed crowd, he shrieks at it. There’s no middle ground. Silence, screeching, take your pick.
Not that I don’t trust Najib Razak; if he says he didn’t get US$700 million in his personal account, then he didn’t. And he says he didn’t, ergo he didn’t:
The respect and affection shown by the public to Tun in the video above is not fake. It’s real. So maybe being an amateur is not so bad after all.
Unless, of course, you tell rather amateurish lies about getting US$700 million in your personal account. That’s amateur…and bad.
You’re a pro cybertrooper alright. You’re leveraging on Tun to knife Najib.
You said Tun doesn’t have … “Farid, Khairun, Habibur, or drunk mat salleh ‘image gurus’.”
For someone who pretends to be a non-committal commenter coming here for the sole reason to leave one remark on behalf of Annie, you’re sure knowledgeable.
You know enough to name Farid, Khairun and Habibur. Now I wonder how many ordinary readers even know who these names are that you rattled off with such ease.
Same as your weighted comment above that’s so clearly crafted to propagandize.
Hmmmm, no, I never claimed to be “non-committal” (“non-committed”, I think you mean).
Knowing who Najib’s main advisers are is hardly an achievement, is it? I read quite a few blogs regularly, just not yours (once in 6 months or 8 months (?) whatever it was before.)
Unfortunately, I am now deeply in love with you, dear Helen.
And who wouldn’t be?
I will even do this for free once Iguana Eng (my boss at Komtar) and the Tel Aviv Mossad neo-Zionist psywar black ops unit who is chipping in half the cost, have run out of money to pay me.
Such is the power of woman ; )
re: “Unfortunately, I am now deeply in love with you, dear Helen.”
Bugger off.
Hee hee, awwwwww, you’re shy. How sweet.
Come on Helen, let’s go out for coffee and I can introduce you to this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic
(Don’t be scared, it’s Greek. Like Helen of Troy, the woman so beautiful she launched a thousand blog posts that were basically minor rewrites of each other.)
Here’s an example of logic:
If a blog that is barely known gets 8 million hits since July 2011 and can still be described as having “no impact”, then one with 6.5 million in the same time frame is, logically, even more lacking in impact.
But it’s quality and not quantity, I feel.
And that’s where you shine.
I’ll be working late tonight on the 27th floor of Komtar (in the Dapster-Evangelist Neo-Zionist propaganda unit), but are you free tomorrow?
I get paid 20 sen per post, so I belanja you, lah.
Fair’s fair.
PS: I didn’t knife Najib – his advisers did.
The whole handling of this 2.6 billion fiasco was a complete disaster – they couldn’t decide between outright denial, legal bluster against the WSJ, or a claim of document doctoring, and that’s just the 1st month of the debacle.
It got even worse after that.
With advisers like that, who needs enemies?
Zofries, U made my day. Spot on
He was wrong on the old man. The old man is not an amateur. He’s a village bumpkin. Trying to be smart with his various ventures yet they all failed, the tin speculation, BMF and Carrian group, the forex loses of the 1990s. Please lah. He’s just a village bumpkin. The Bugis coward has upstaged him with 1MDB etc.
You are such a sarcastic cynic. I picture you like that character of Jack Lemon from Grumpy Old Men. lol
True.
“A land where crosses and pigs are feared”
Correction :
we don’t fear, we hate…
we hate that people worship/deem it sacred when it is Allah the one who created them (they prefer other than Allah as God) or no proof that it is sacred. I am sure God hates anyone associates a cross to Him or makes it equal to Him that deserves it to be worshipped.
we hate what He hates.
as for pig it is an animal that Allah has made it impure. what does bible say about it ?
” I am sure God hates anyone associates a cross to Him”
Learn some basic philosophy. God by being infinite in nature can only be either all loving or all hating, not both at the same time. And stop pretending to know what God thinks, it’s embarrassing.
“what does bible say about it ?”
Bible says go for it. Yummy…
Truly, you are what you eats…very showing
Very true, especially in your case, Islam1st. Your diet is making you delusional, brader.
Notice how Helen let a provocative post by truth slide? If I had posted something similar about Muslims, I would have been called an Islamophobic, anti Melayu,anti Islam, evangelsitas etc. You are so transparent, Helen.
DEUTERONOMY14:8
“”The pig is also unclean; although it has a divided hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses.””
you expect for a JUSTICE when you are a clear cut LIAR.
Another Muslim who doesn’t understand the concept of the Old v New Testament and what Christ has deemed to be acceptable and no longer necessary as it was under the Mosaic law. Please la, do you honestly think brilliant Christian scholars throughout the centuries could have been so blind to have somehow miss out on that verse that you quoted? No, we all know it’s there but I can also show you New Testament verses rendering those laws invalid. Trust me, pork is all good for a Christian.
another lie
Yeah, fine. Why should I adhere to my own study, not to mention scholars and elders with years of scriptural study, insight and knowledge, when I can listen to some random Muslim who clearly has already had his mind made up on what is the truth and what is false. You got me there.
i forgot to tell you that you should read ‘misquoting jesus’ by Bart D. Ehrman, he is an eminent new testament scholar. or maybe you want to come back and say ‘actually Bart D. Ehrman had been studying under me before, he knew nothing’.
come on la, stop the lies.
Truth, please la. Stop embarrassing yourself. Stick to Islam and leave Christianity to people who actually know a thing or two about it.
Not right to call WTJ a liar. He is just a devout follower. Christians do not lie. They just pick whichever truth profit them most. In this case pig is the easiest and most cost effective animal to rear, if else isnt available you can feed them shit. Less cost means more profit, a very christian truth. So what bible say can be put aside since it is more pagan than christian anyway.
AE, like I have told you before, to study what Christianity teaches, your best bet would be to go to a Christian source. I would suggest a guy like Scott Hahn who has all the credentials in Christian theology.
Islam cannot exist if Christian teaching is correct, so why would you go and read up about what a Muslim has to say about Christianity when its clearly coming from a biased point of view to start of with. Conversely, it would be extremely stupid of me to go to a Catholic priest to learn about Islam when he is more than likely going to misrepresent it.
Please show me which passages of the Bible are corrupt, exactly when they became corrupt, how they became corrupt and whether the corrupted texts are in direct opposition to the rest of the Bible and its message. Until you can do that, I am going to continue to think of you as being one of the most gullible and clueless people I have ever known.
“I would suggest a guy like Scott Hahn who has all the credentials in Christian theology.” An expert on a lie must be a liar himself. Why put stock on such expert? I am not interested in christianity so why must i study it?
Islam do exist ergo christianity is incorrect. Thank you for your logic.
Are you drunk while penning the comment above? I need to prove to you? Why? The bible is the work of christian scholar under the thumb of a nonbeliever emperor. Could you honestly say that the emperor did not have any say on what goes and what not in the bible? Could anything compiled under that kind of stress and duress be pure god’s word without any modification or embellishment? Quoting from a book of lies will only makes me a liar. That i am not so call me gullible and clueless…like i care.
“Islam do exist ergo christianity is incorrect. Thank you for your logic.”
Aiyo, why do I bother with you. Simple logic la. If either one of the two religions we are discussing is the true one, then only one obviously can be correct while the other is a man made fabrication. If Christianity in its current state is proven to be correct objectively, than every honest Muslim can no longer in good conscience stay a Muslim. That’s what I meant, cannot follow ah?
And vice versa too.
What I am trying to bang into your head is a Muslim is already starting off his argument on the premise that Christianity is false and hence will argue accordingly in his presentation of Christianity. So why should anyone with a brain follow what a biased Muslim will have to say about a religion that contradicts theirs? Can you not follow something so basic?
“Are you drunk while penning the comment above? I need to prove to you? Why? The bible is the work of christian scholar under the thumb of a nonbeliever emperor”
You have just proven my point above to be correct re “bias”.
“Could anything compiled under that kind of stress and duress be pure god’s word without any modification or embellishment? ”
Once again you have proven my point. An objective person will read the text he’s critiquing multiple times, and will analyse the commentaries on the entire text from (as it’s a very complicated book) reputable scholars to conclude if the whole piece of work is coherent and consistent or a total piece of bs. Surely in a supposedly corrupted book, there should be many anomalies and holes left right and centre. That’s what you have to prove before shooting off about its supposed corruption. Perhaps reading it might be a good start.
“Quoting from a book of lies will only makes me a liar.”
Try taking that line onto a debate. Once again, you have proven what I said earlier about Islamic bias to be true.
“That i am not so call me gullible and clueless…like i care.”
Every time you talk about religion, the more I think this about you. Your arguments are so weak it’s not funny and if anyone was considering Islam, I think they won’t be after reading what you have to say about the subject.
i don’t understand with PAS.
UMNO wants a unity and they refuse it.
if PAS is a ‘perjuangan demi Allah and Islam’ isn’t it Muslims ‘mesti bersatu’ is what Allah and Islam want ?
DAP is a clear cut KAFIR and menentang Islam. I heran why PAS can shake hands with them and cium-cium pipi while not with UMNO. although UMNO is not 100% islamic (only partially) what about DAP the 100% KAFIR.
they claim they cannot do islam with UMNO, with DAP you are 200% fail to do islam.
with UMNO, PAS shows their arrogance but with DAP it is okay to be bullied and mad at.
Pas is staying put with its original principle, i.e. implement hudud and Islamic nation in Malaysia. They knew it will never be implemented via PR due to resistance by DAP. Hence, they quit and went solo. But they also realise that Umno has no real intention to implement such thing. Hence the rejection on official cooperation/joining BN. I respect PAS for this.
Is tahaluf siyasi a principle? Or political expedience? Is wahhabism a.k.a. islamism, orthodox or heterodox? What is Islamic state?
Truth,
It is very simple actually.
Religion is a very potent force. Use it wisely and it will bring immense good. Abuse religion and unimaginable misery can take place right on your face in name of religion.
The truth is PAS uses religion when it suits the party. PAS as far as I can remember has been teaching its members that UMNO is unislamic. UMNO must be opposed at all cost, UMNO members are deemed as “kurang beriman” as compared to PAS members,
UMNO is viewed as worse than DAP. day in day out UMNO is maligned. I witnessed how Dr Khir was termed as “munafik” by a khatib way back 10 years ago. Dr Khir was then MB of Selangor. reason? .Selangor maintains Sunday as public holiday instead of Friday.
BUT nobody in PAS said Azmin is munafik when Selangor still maintains Sunday as public holiday. That shows hypocrisy.
Though I criticize UMNO, I feel it is not as “bermuka muka” as PAS. What PAS must do is soul searching. Decades of waging war against UMNO does not promote Islam. It does the opposite.
PAS went proudly on its “tahaluf siyasi” with DAP. I attended one ceramah several years ago. PAS members were jubilant when ADUN Sekinchan started his speech with one Javanese sentence. The ADUN wasted no time in bashing UMNO left right and centre. As a Malay, cant PAS feel the humiliation that this Chinese DAP ADUN said?
No. the hatred towards UMNO is mind boggling. Any Malay who warned PAS to be careful with DAP(known to bulldozing those who care to differ) was automatically insulted as “macai UMNO”.
Only when DAP kicked PAS out then the latter realise how ruthless DAP is. Only now PAS is beginning to realise when DAP sponsors Mohd Sabu to wreck havoc to PAS.
MY ADVICE TO PAS, if you want Islamic law to be upheld, then be friendly with UMNO.
Now why is it I feel UMNO is more sincere albeit its glaring weaknesses?
re: MY ADVICE TO PAS, if you want Islamic law to be upheld, then be friendly with UMNO.
Have you ever ask Umno these questions:-
a) Since Merdeka till 2008, the party/BN commanded 2/3 majority in Parliament yet no real action taken to upheld Islamic law in Malaysia.
b) When Kelantan wanted to enforce hudud way back in 1993, why Umno opposed the move?
‘How many army have died in the course of their duty? I can only recall a few e.g. Lahad Datu incursion. Just a small percentage vs the entire armed force. Majority of the army are still safe and alive. How many times our armed forces have engaged in real war that is life threatening in order to protect the sovereignty of Malaysia?’
WOW. The line of thinking, from some kiasi pulak tu. Just blew me away! Syabas drinho and thanks for the insights too. WOW!
I am the type of person that will try to quantify things to get an objective view. Dislike qualitative description. Let us talk about the ‘sacrifice of army personnel’. Qualitative descriptions like ‘semangat cintakan negara’ or ‘willingness to put their life on the line’ are too abstract/ambigious for me. I would want to know the amount/quantum/degree of such ‘semangat’ and ‘willingness’. There is a big difference between:-
a) willingness to die for nation;
b) probability of such dying;
c) the actual no. of such death.
Some stats here:-
1. Msia armed force: 110k active personnel & 297k reserve. Total 407k
2. Death related to military operations per year: I take the Lahad Datu 2013 invasion, i.e. 2 army deaths (the rest are police)
3. Probability of death:
a) 2/110,000 = 0.002%
b) 2/407,000 = 0.0005%
For 2013, the probability of an army officer dying due to military related duties are 0.0005 – 0.002%. This is very low. Even negligible. If not for the 2013 Lahad Datu invasion, there may be zero death.
Looking at the above, why the need to excessively appreciate the contribution of army especially in modern peaceful times? Army knew in advance the type of risks they will face prior to joining. Nobody forced them. They are paid accordingly. They are the same as any other profession in the world. You cannot say a soldier is more noble than a teacher or an executive in the private sector. The choice is yours to make.
re: “I am the type of person that will try to quantify things to get an objective view.”
You are the type of person that will try to quantify things according to their monetary value.
Quantify things yes. Monetary value part of it. Things can be quantified in lots of benchmarks. Monetary, probability, empirical evidence, precedence, stats etc. I am also willing to be corrected.
There is also the Quran 2:120.
‘Quantify things yes. Monetary value part of it.’
Kiasu & Kiasi!
WTJ
there are thousand contradictions in the bible. if you check out the christian scholar muslim debate on youtube you will see that the christians constantly defeated in the debates.
there are lots of profanity and dirty stories too. e.g. prophet lot’s daughters made him drunk and had sex with him and other many stories alike about prophets and righteous people committing illicit sex. im not going list them out or elaborate it. too disgusting.
funny story – god came down to earth and had a wrestle with jacob and god lost. GOD HAD A WRESTLE WITH HUMAN AND GOT BEATEN UP ¿?**¿*? im puzzled my head spinning.
another one more funny story is about noah, he was portrayed as a drunkard. i read through an online bible, it says that everytime noah drunk and passed out his nakedness exposed. his son would come and cover it up. how in the world people of low moral conduct been chosen to be an example to their nation ? do you believe someone who is drunk all the time, red eyed, burping in your face, then he says ‘hey im a prophet of god, i received revelation that you are to follow me’.
if you go to wikipedia try search about christianity.. you will see paintings depicting prophets having sex ; abraham and hagar. the naked adam and eve.
we would not approve if someone depicts our parents like that let alone messengers of God. anyone would disown a father who had sex with his own daughter, but your bible calls these people righteous and prophets of god ?¡!¿??¡ my head spinning again.
crazy la.