What Mahathir and Kit Siang discussed

March 4, 2016 at 11:10 pm 34 comments

Return Penang to Kedah

Tun Kit Siang dialogue

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  • 1. Abdul Rahman  |  March 4, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    The possibility of Penang being returned to kedah is very real. Period.

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    • 2. Akim  |  March 4, 2016 at 11:59 pm

      Says who?

      Najib discarded ISA and almost did the same to the Sedition Act to please Lim Kit Siang who was ISA-ed once and placate the anti-Malay and anti-Islam DAP which is generally anti the Sedition Act.

      Would the “pahlawan Bugis”, “also-pendatang” Najib do anything to please the Malays? He even sidelined the NEP.

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      • 3. Zack  |  March 5, 2016 at 12:09 am

        Please lah. Many pentaksubs Mahathir sudah pegang2 tangan dengan Uncle Lim dan pengikut DAPSters. Bersekongkol mahu kasi UMNo jatuh.

        Tak ada minta ISA dikembalikan pun dalam deklarasi. Tak ada sebut pasal DEB pun dalam deklarasi. Kalau dulu blog Syed Kepala Hotak banyak sebut pasal ISA sekarang sudah senyap sebab semua pengomen dia anti-ISA. So you should join them in solidarity that is no ISA.

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        • 4. Akim  |  March 5, 2016 at 12:53 am

          No need to plead. If your case is strong, just state it and you may get some support.

          Najib tak mau pegang2 tangan dgn “fellow pendatang”? (Pssst, don’t blame me for using the word, Najib himself used it when he went to to his “Bugis Warrior” land.) Najib much worse than pegang, man. He gave. Gave away – ISA, the SA (almost), and biasiswa oso, to those whose community has been the richest in the country for ages and whose thousands of millionaires donate scholarships etc until UTAR refused RM30 mill donation from a Chinese engineer multi-millionaire before PRU13.

          Hahaha, like Said Keruak, you also itchy to know the details of the deklarasi, eh? But for now you Projibs should just defend Najib against even the generalities in the declaration, man.

          Tun got strategy, innit? Tunjuk sikit sikit dulu to make rakyat anxious to know, build up their eagerness and anxiousness to a crescendo, then boom – walla, Najib feels so hounded that he’d throw in the towel. You all can rush for such towels – they are damn expensive if 1MDB and RM2.6 billion + RM42 million have anything to do with them.

          Pssst, Auditor General’s 1MDB Report classified under Official Secrets Act olely – must be something very unfavourable, innit? Hope they won’t ban the rakyat from using the words 1MDB, RM2.6 billion and RM42 million, hehe.

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          • 5. Zack  |  March 5, 2016 at 9:38 am

            No one is pleading you. The PAC report on 1MDB has been completed. Later all MPs will be able to read. So just wait who will be malu nanti.

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            • 6. Mad Hatter  |  March 5, 2016 at 1:32 pm

              Why just MPs only get to see? Why make it OSA? Oghang mau tengok tak boleh ah, oghang ada bayak cukai tau

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            • 7. Akim  |  March 5, 2016 at 1:48 pm

              Apasal nak malu plak? Sekarang atau kamdian pun.

              Laporan Auditor General biasa kritik Kementerian2 dan Jabatan2 Kerajaan tak di rahsia atau di sulitkan pun, rasa nya. Apasal Laporan ke atas 1MDB nak di sulit atau di rahsiakan pulak? Sekarang atau bila bila masa.

              Ada banyak hantu di sebalik batu ke? Berbilion yang di Switzerland dan di Spore susah nak di odit ke? Rakyat nak tahu amacam yang tu di catit atau di rekod.

              MPs pun tak boleh baca sekarang? PAC DAP Tony Pua pun kena jahit mulut dia ke? Jadi, PAC bukan open & transparent le?

              Kalo gitu, bakpa adakan PAC? Nak kasi makan kapada Pengerusi yang kata dia “cari makan” ke? Kan dah jadi katun puak Establishment di bawah Najib nih..

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          • 8. Hussin abdulRahman  |  March 8, 2016 at 8:55 am

            Let sane heads prevail…because things can get out of hands very quickly and Malaysia will be like Syria soon.

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          • 9. Hussin abdulRahman  |  March 8, 2016 at 8:57 am

            I fear for the future of my children and grandchildren if Malaysia, thanks to so many stupid politicians, were to descend into chaos.

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  • 10. Zack  |  March 5, 2016 at 12:05 am

    Atuk Lim akan kata “Langkah mayat aku dulu kalau mau Penang”

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  • 11. Akim  |  March 5, 2016 at 12:23 am

    What I’m happy about at this stage is that no mention of Mat Sabo or Wan Jijah or Kit Siong being PM after Najib is removed.

    Clearly what was discussed was just the removal of Najib, not of UMNO/BN.

    Of course Projibs would put it in the mouths or in the heads (“plotting .. coup-ing .. all sorts) of Protuns, saying one or more or all of them want “to rise” in more ways than allowed under the law.

    Not true. Instigating may be what they are doing. Let’s see if the Red Shirts will put out some 1037 “agreed points” cooked up over ikan bakar.

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    • 12. Zack  |  March 5, 2016 at 12:47 am

      “Clearly what was discussed was just the removal of Najib, not of UMNO/BN.”

      What a naive statement is this. I think you just said that to justify whatever fixation you have on Najib.

      But certainly your view is a blip in an ocean of the ABU crowd, who want nothing but the fall of UMNO and the system.

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      • 13. Akim  |  March 5, 2016 at 8:46 am

        Same same to you, mista – your fixation on Najib.

        Lu tarak faham ka “what was discussed” (meaning agreed) was not the same as what “the ABU crowd wanting the fall of UMNO”?

        You r worse than naive, innit? Lu sikola mana?

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    • 14. shamshul anuar  |  March 5, 2016 at 5:00 pm

      Akim,

      What actually about removing Najib? Is it about him or the party that he represents?

      Many times I said the only political party that stands between DAP and seat of power is UMNO. It is not about Najib. If najib removed, DAP has field day by saying that Najib is guilty by simply resigning. they will turn and whack Zahid or whoever replaces Najib.

      Tun is playing with fire. it si a very dangerous political game to dethrone UMNO just to force Najib to resign.

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  • 15. Equalizer.  |  March 5, 2016 at 12:27 am

    The knife will fall and believe me TSMY and Mukhriz will be sacked from UMNO very soon, and that is natural justice as no political party in the world will ever tolerate any of their members not to mention those sitting in top category of the party, to betray the party by collaborating with the enemies.

    DAP is the expert in chopping off those who disagreed with the Tokong, and mind you just to disagree and you will be jobless the next day. You don’t have to sabotage or condemn the top leaders in DAP. All you have to do is to disagree on certain project of Tokong and you will be gone. Yet Mahathir can lower himself so low just to get support from Pakatan especially DAP to topple Najib and UMNO.

    The hatred Tun had for Najib and UMNO is now more severed than the hatred spread by the DAP against UMNO. Tun had personal reasons for his actions not related to I MDB and some had been revealed by RPK in his blog M’sian Today.

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    • 16. Akim  |  March 5, 2016 at 1:03 am

      Believe you? How to?

      Most of what you say are your own opinions, no facts, no substantiation. And Protuns’ opinions are always better. If you don’t believe me, you’ll rugi a lot, I guarantee you.

      OK lah, anything against DAP I believe you. Anything against Tun is balderdash.

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      • 17. Aku Melayu  |  March 6, 2016 at 7:49 am

        Now I can’t differentiate between RBAs and Protuns – both are zombies! Mahathir can go to hell, for all I care!

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  • 18. LT  |  March 5, 2016 at 12:43 am

    Akhirnya, TDM sujud di kaki Lim Kit Siang. Perjuangan bangsa konon…Malay dilemma konon..TAR banyak bagi muka kat orang Cina konon..Saya ingat lagi komen RBA di Malaysiakini yang mahu renjis muka TDM dengan holy water. Waktu tu saya rasa sangat marah dengan komen tu. Hari ni saya fikir, memang betul berkesan renjisan holy water Evangelist ke muka orang-orang munafik macam TDM

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    • 19. aku  |  March 5, 2016 at 4:52 am

      bro,
      please dont use word ‘sujud, if you are muslim, be carefull..tq

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    • 20. Spectre  |  March 5, 2016 at 3:45 pm

      Perjuangan bangsa ? Mana ada ? Dia tu bukan Melayu tulen. Bapa dia bukan Melayu. Mana ada dilemma Melayu ? Hanya yang dungu saja yang percaya dengan cerita dongeng orang tua tu.

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  • 21. AYAH  |  March 5, 2016 at 7:07 am

    Sujud? TM sujud pada Kit Siang? Hahahahahahuhuhuhu. Najib SUJUD kepada Hj Hadi macam mana? Kafir dengan Islam boleh pulak?

    “No political party in the world will tolerate any of their members….to betray the party by collaborating with the enemies”? I don’t know about you but look at the Conservatives in the UK with regards to Brexit.

    I doubt Michael Gove or Boris Johnson will be axed from the party by being on the same bench with UKIP. Their fight with their PM is over an issue, and no one is saying that they are going to topple the Conservative government except for UKIP and Labour.

    As always, the Projibs are narrow.

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    • 22. Akim  |  March 5, 2016 at 2:05 pm

      Setuju sapenuh nya dengan AYAH, termasuk ketawa nya berdekah dekah tuh.

      Mungkin tak ramai Projib yang baca atau dengar berita luar negara spt UK. Sibuk sangat nak tahu Red Shirts, Ikan Bakar, Mat Sabo, menuduh Projibs sebagai Dapster dsb nya, kot.

      Yes, excellent example of the Tories being very divided on the European membership issue but none is expelled from the party, threatened with expulsion, suspension, show-cause letters, mouth gagging, stitching.and the like.

      I like the analogy of cicak putus ekor, bertempiaran, tak tentu arah, soalan soalan yg rakyat keluarkan pun tak berjawab. Just plain and simple accusing Protuns have become DAPsters. Yet David Cameron and his people never accuse Boris Johnson etc of colluding with the opposition Labour Party leader, the communist bloke Jeremy Corbyn..

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  • 23. CikKiah57  |  March 5, 2016 at 9:03 am

    U sounds so jealous……KIKIKIK.
    Takkan Najib & Hadi Bawang saja boleh duduk sepentas and sedondon. Orang lain nak juga.
    INI BARU DEMOKRASI.
    Kalau semua kena hanggok saja ikut cakap Najib,
    elok kita pindah ke Korea Utara.

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    • 24. RINA  |  March 6, 2016 at 5:57 am

      Elok juga puak2 tua get together, eh, apa salahnya deoa tanya2 apa kabar..gebang2 reminiscing those good old times, pasti nostalgic.

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  • 25. Akim  |  March 5, 2016 at 9:37 am

    Not sure whether freemalaysiatoday.com is Protun or Projib but I like the statements it published –

    “Nearly 40,000 people watched on Facebook as Mahathir Mohamad summoned just about every other major political figure and activist to a meeting where they declared that enough was enough. Mahathir .. joined hands with close confidantes and bitter enemies to make the unequivocal statement that Najib Abdul Razak must be removed from the office of Prime Minister.”

    And the following statement is also eye-catching –

    “.. this is exactly what it should be. The four demands are simple and clear:

    “remove Najib Razak in a peaceful and lawful manner, remove his allies from power, abolish the authoritarian laws established recently that violate the rights guaranteed by the Federal Constitution, and return the integrity of weakened public institutions like the police and the Public Accounts Committee.”

    The group announced that it would hold a series of meetings, including Zaid Ibrahim’s 27 March meeting, which will determine its direction, policies and strategies.

    I’m sure by now the number watching on FB has increased much more than the 40,000. Not including those reading the so-called news portals, blogs, etc.

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    • 26. Helen Ang  |  March 5, 2016 at 12:14 pm

      re: “Not sure whether freemalaysiatoday.com is Protun or Projib”

      FMT, like the rest of the leading English-language portals, is decidedly pro-oppo.

      re: “… Mahathir Mohamad summoned just about every other major political figure and activist to a meeting”

      It was barely three years ago (during the GE13 campaign in Gelang Patah) that Tun said Kit Siang would destroy our country. And now Tun is working together with him.

      re: “where they declared that enough was enough”

      Enough is enough with the opposition trying to start an Arab Spring in Malaysia.

      re: “Mahathir .. joined hands with close confidantes and bitter enemies to make the unequivocal statement that Najib Abdul Razak must be removed from the office of Prime Minister.”

      So all the things that made Kit Siang Mahathir’s old bitter enemy are willingly put aside as long as the two elderly men can now agree on ousting Najib.

      Tun no longer cares that Kit Siang and DAP are destructive? After all, it was Tun who ISA-ed Kit Siang and his cohorts during Ops Lalang to preempt the DAP from destroying Malaysia.

      re: “remove Najib Razak in a peaceful and lawful manner”

      They tried. They failed to shoot down Budget 2016 no confidence motion in Parliament. They also failed to remove Najib as Umno president through loss of confidence. Failing to get their way through democratic means, what they’re doing now is maximum incitement through instigating maximum hatred and resorting to rallies and undermining public order.

      They’re resorting to anarchy.

      re: “remove his allies from power”

      Najib’s allies – say Abdul Rahman Dahlan and Salleh Said Keruak – are given their positions through the perfectly legal prerogative of the PM.

      It is the slanderous attacks on ARD and SSK which are libelous and hence against the law (crime of defamation). Trying to remove Najib’s allies from power through such undemocratic means (i.e. smear campaigns) just goes to show the kind of tyranny practised by the opposition.

      re: “abolish the authoritarian laws established recently that violate the rights guaranteed by the Federal Constitution”

      The NSC Act (bill) is merely a rehash of the ISA. The dajjal behaviour of the opposition has persuaded Najib that he made a mistake when he earlier decided to abolish the ISA.

      Now Najib is correcting his error because there is no other way to deal with dajjal.

      re: “return the integrity of weakened public institutions like the police and the Public Accounts Committee”

      Senang jer Tun make accusations. The police have been treating him with kid gloves. If it were anybody else, the ‘suspect’ (someone questioned/under investigation by police) would have already been remanded.

      re: “The group announced that it would hold a series of meetings”

      … to foment rebellion.

      re: “including Zaid Ibrahim’s 27 March meeting”

      March 27 is Easter Sunday and the date chosen is a show of evangelical power.

      re: “which will determine its direction, policies and strategies”

      Direction of compass to lead DAP to Putrajaya.

      re: “I’m sure by now the number watching on FB has increased much more than the 40,000.”

      40,000 — coincidentally the magic number of Bangla phantom voters, hahaha.

      re: “Not including those reading the so-called news portals, blogs, etc.”

      The DAP already control the Chinese and English media. Now they’re gaining control of the Protun blogs and other Protun platforms too. It should not surprise anyone the process of osmosis whereby the Protuns are becoming like Dapsters.

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  • 27. Mohd said  |  March 5, 2016 at 9:42 am

    That is politic in malaysia, helen, politics of hatred.our country will never progress if that is the attitude of our politician.

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  • 28. Abdullah  |  March 5, 2016 at 10:34 am

    Apa yang dibincangkan, telah pun ada deklarasi dibuat, kecuali proJibby clueless sememangnya sama clueless dengan jibby kan kak Helen :)

    Deklarasi itu mengandungi empat tuntutan:

    1. Penyingkiran Najib sebagai Perdana Menteri Malaysia tanpa menggunakan kekerasan dan undang-undang yang dibenarkan

    2. Menyingkirkan semua orang yang bekerjasama dengannya

    3. Pemansuhan semua undang-undang dan perjanjian yang dibuat baru-baru ini yang melanggar hak-hak asasi yang dijamin oleh Perlembagaan Persekutuan dan melemahkan pilihan dasar

    4. Mengembalikan integriti institusi yang telah dilemahkan, seperti polis, SPRM , Bank Negara dan Jawatankuasa Kira-kira Wang Negara (PAC).

    Yang kami nak tahu, apa pulak yang dibincangkan oleh Wak Jahid.

    http://celahgelegar.blogspot.my/2014/09/8-gambar-peluk-wajah-sebenar-menteri.html

    https://helenang.wordpress.com/2014/09/14/mampukah-zahid-menggantikan-najib/

    Ini petikan dari posting akak tidak lama dahulu…..

    https://helenang.wordpress.com/2014/09/14/mampukah-zahid-menggantikan-najib/

    Cuba tengok kat Team Najib

    Adakah Najib menjaga Islam, melindungi rakyat marhaen dan mendaulatkan bahasa Melayu?
    Kerja meneraju kerajaan di”sub-kontrak” oleh Najib kepada orang luar.

    Kok sudah gaharu cendana pula, sudah tahu tapi spin-spin pula.

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  • 29. RINA  |  March 5, 2016 at 4:08 pm

    Lets do some maths;

    …….This statistic shows the number of Facebook users in Malaysia from 2014 to 2019. In 2016, the amount of Facebook users in Malaysia was expected to reach 10.6 million, up from 8.9 million in 2014. As of the second quarter of 2015, the social network was accessed by close to 1.5 billion users on a monthly basis……..

    http://www.statista.com/statistics/490484/number-of-thailand-facebook-users/

    Foolamak ooi…..1.5billion on monthly basis banyak sangat tuh. Bagi senang kita amik total GE13 voters aje la macam ni.

    Turnout 80% = 12,992,661 katakaloo 100% = 16,240,826

    Kalooo 10% = 1,624,083
    Kalooo 1% = 162,408

    Soalan; 40,000 berapa peratus jawabnya?

    40,000 /16,240,826 = 0.00246293
    katakaloo 0.25%
    Issssh laa aa awat sikit sangat ni?

    Justin Bieber – SORRY 983,972,887 views

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  • 30. kampong lad  |  March 5, 2016 at 8:21 pm

    1. perjanjian dibuat diantara sultan kedah & east india co. wujud lagi ka syarikat tu? i could be wrong in this particular case; melayu baik tak kena tempat, garang (oghang kedah kata ‘cenge’) pun tak kena tempat. same difference – merugikan.

    2. there’s a difference between ‘penang must be returned to kedah’ and ‘kedah tuntut pulau pinang’, just like tuntutan filipina terhadap sabah. boleh buat ka?

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    • 31. shamshul anuar  |  March 8, 2016 at 9:43 am

      kampong lad,

      THe treaty was between then Sultan as sovereign owner of Pulau Pinang and East India Company.

      Fast forward to 1957, the Duke of Gloucester who represented the Queen said that treaties previously with Malay Sultans and England are to be replaced with Instrument of independene.

      The 9 malay rulers signed the Instrument of independence on August 5, 1957.

      Until today Penang pays a token amount to Kedah on annual basis. As the Sultan of Kedah does snot initiate any move to take back Penang, any discussion on the subject is only academics.

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  • 32. Aku Melayu  |  March 6, 2016 at 6:31 am

    Helen,

    Although I seldom put my 2 cents in your blog, I do visit your blog regularly to read your articles and your readers’ comments. Lately somehow your blog has been bombarded by comments from a new crop of readers who are obviously Pakatuns eg Akim, Mad Hater just to name a few. Akim especially has been vigorously rebutting any comments which are anti-Tun. Where has he/she been all this while? Why the sudden appearance?

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    • 33. Setem  |  March 8, 2016 at 12:47 pm

      Helen’s blog will be a boring blog if all commenters agree with Helen.

      Reply
  • 34. Kerengge  |  March 7, 2016 at 11:18 pm

    Intipati hasil perbincangan: 1 kerusi timb. PM Cina.

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