Pro-Christian paper’s asst editor on Islam, again

April 7, 2016 at 1:58 pm 76 comments

In her article titled ‘Child marriage is disgustingMalay Mail assistant news editor Boo Su-Lyn wrote that the practice is abhorrent “paedophilia” and “an abomination”.

Boo wrote:

“It’s even worse if it’s a much older man and a young girl. That’s an abomination.

“Religion is often used to justify harmful practices like child marriage and female genital mutilation.

“There is a difference between respecting one’s faith and allowing the violation of human rights in the name of religion.”

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The Malay Mail‘s resident feminist Ms Boo also asked, “How can a religion be merciful if it puts a girl at risk of abuse” — see screenshot above.

Boo’s comment comes in the wake of a proposal yesterday by PAS Pasir Puteh MP Dr Nik Mazian Nik Mohamad to permit teenagers to marry at a younger age.

Presently, girls can be exempted from the minimun age requirement of 16 for a Muslim marriage if the teen is able to obtain permission from the Syariah court.

Boo’s meddling is illustrative of a trend by vocal Chinese keen to instruct Malays on how to practise Islam.

These oppositionists are overly adamant in imposing their urban “human rights” values on others.

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I personally know of young relatives of my friends in Terengganu and Kelantan who have gotten married with the consent of the court.

It’s their community in the East Coast and the boundaries of their societal norms may not necessarily match those of Boo Su-Lyn’s ilk.

But ever since the rise and rise of the evangelical DAP with their Raja #sahur Twitter, “insya Allah”, buka puasa and pakai tudung-Occupy Masjid campaigns, opposition ideologues have felt emboldened to go around telling Muslims what they should and should not do.

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Juliet Capulet, in Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet, was 13 years old. At that age, she married Romeo in the love story of the millennia. (ref. e-notes

Lin Daiyu, the famous heroine in Dream of the Red Chamber, was also 13. The star-crossed Chinese girl did not however get to marry her lover Jia Baoyu and died of heartbreak when the boy was married off to another cousin instead.

Depending on the culture and era, marriage at a young age was/is nothing at all unusual.

What’s acceptable is determined by a society for its own members. On marriage matters, Muslims in Malaysia fall under the purview of Syariah.

It is not for Christian missionaries to dictate positions, to impose ‘modern’ white values on the rest of the world or to frown upon how other religions choose to run their communities.

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  • 1. Orang Perlis  |  April 7, 2016 at 2:19 pm

    Not a fan of her writing nor MMO

    BUT

    the notion of allowing teenagers marrying earlier than 16?

    im sorry, i am also against this being practiced in the now. I cannot agree with the PAS MP suggestion and I can guarantee you it will not pass.

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    • 2. Helen Ang  |  April 7, 2016 at 2:25 pm

      re: “the notion of allowing teenagers marrying earlier than 16?”

      They already can, if the Syariah Court consents to exempt.

      As to what age to draw the line, methinks this should be left to the community concerned to decide. In this particular case, it is the Muslims in Malaysia according to guidelines provided by the Islamic faith.

      What I see happening is that the opposition Chinese have become very pushy in imposing their own values on the rest of Malaysia.

      Another straw on the camel’s back. The camel will lash out and kick the Chinese very soon if they don’t cease and desist piling on the straw.

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      • 3. Orang Perlis  |  April 7, 2016 at 2:45 pm

        Is it allowed in Islam? Yes, as soon as akil baligh.

        However, this should be on a case by case basis as it is not just straightforward as just yes or no.. It cannot be an open ( ie no age restriction) basis…

        side note: isnt Boo LYn an atheist?

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        • 4. Helen Ang  |  April 7, 2016 at 2:58 pm

          The issue is Boo Su-Lyn imposing her standard on Muslims in Malaysia.

          The minimum age of consent for girls is 13 in Argentine, Japan and South Korea … 14 in Brazil, Colombia and China … and 12 in Angola, Mexico and Vatican City.

          re: “isnt Boo Lyn an atheist?”

          I remember reading her confession that she was a fervid evangelical Christian.

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          • 5. Mulan  |  April 7, 2016 at 3:54 pm

            Why target “child marriage” as a Muslim issue? Christianity (for example Mormons) too have this practice and in today’s USA.

            http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/opinion/americas-child-marriage-problem.html?_r=0

            “I have seen child and forced marriage in the Orthodox Jewish community, and I know survivors from Mormon and Unification Church backgrounds.”

            Artikel Malay Mail kan berat sebelah!

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            • 6. Orang Perlis  |  April 7, 2016 at 4:29 pm

              In the context of Malaysia, it IS a Muslim issue.

              But as Helen has said, if you want to argue, it should be about (IMO the perception of) interference, rather than the issue of child marriage itself.

              So what about you Mulan? do you support it?

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              • 7. Mulan  |  April 7, 2016 at 4:39 pm

                I don’t support it at all.

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            • 8. Kineas1067  |  April 7, 2016 at 4:36 pm

              Maybe we should blame idiotic and misguided parents? Or strongly patriarchal societies that place little importance on women’s rights? Where girls and women are “conditioned” to be subservient to men?

              There are plenty of “blame factors” to go around.

              Child marriages doesn’t support current initiatives to get more girls and women into higher education and the workforce….

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              • 9. islam1st  |  April 9, 2016 at 4:29 pm

                ‘strongly patriarchal societies’

                You men the Lee bapak bagi Lee anak jadi Menteri Prima Singapura?

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                • 10. Kineas1067  |  April 11, 2016 at 3:46 pm

                  Hmm… I thought you are referring to Pakistan. Or Afghanistan. Or Saudi Arabia…..hahaha.

                  Singapore? It has done pretty well for itself, don’t you think? Being a secular state and all.

                  FYI, GCT followed on from LKY, before LHL became Singapore PM. And he won an election in his own right.

                  Patriarchal? Definitely not….

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      • 12. Kineas1067  |  April 7, 2016 at 3:04 pm

        Not in Singapore, Helen, I think.

        You can check for yourself.

        There is currently an ongoing news story in Singapore about 3 schoolgirls from a madrasah being assaulted in public. The alleged perpetrator of the assault has already been charged in court. Singapore MPs have warned against “Islamophobia” in the city-state.

        Religious & racial harmony is taken very seriously in Singapore.

        Which is why the meanderings of this Malay Mail journalist would not have seen the light of day in Singapore.

        To be fair, neither would comments about LGBTs….

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  • 16. Orang Perlis  |  April 7, 2016 at 2:47 pm

    on your comment abt this being the straw that broke…

    i wouldnt be too sure.

    My observation is many general Malay Muslims in urban areas are opposed to this practice.

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    • 17. Helen Ang  |  April 7, 2016 at 3:03 pm

      re: “My observation is many general Malay Muslims in urban areas are opposed to this practice.”

      Possibly.

      But the issue is one of interference.

      If it isn’t this about marriageable age, they interfere in other issues like murtad, drinking, halal, puasa, hudud barbaric, etc.

      Remember the Quran verse 2:120?

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      • 18. Helen Ang  |  April 7, 2016 at 3:04 pm

        And not to forget, aurat and LGBT.

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  • 19. Alyaniff  |  April 7, 2016 at 4:52 pm

    Sibuk betul lar these evangelist. Yes, nowadays early marriage below 18 years old is not encouraged but if both party (who wants to get marriage) get consent from court, then why not? suka sama suka. It is not being forced right? Macam ni i nak kaji lar apa isu2 Christian kat Malaysia ni yang Muslims can poke their nose also.

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    • 20. truth  |  April 7, 2016 at 6:24 pm

      setuju sangat !

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  • 21. tebing tinggi  |  April 7, 2016 at 5:06 pm

    Whatever others practice ,is non business of others .
    If everybody can respect that then we may have no quarrel .
    Stop meddling around with other religion ,even the majority Muslim in Malaysia never meddle around in other practice .

    Islam has the authority when the religion practice is concerned .

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  • 22. I am Woman  |  April 7, 2016 at 5:09 pm

    This is not about allowing a teenager to marry. Helen is right. This is about the non-Muslims imposing their value judgement on Muslims and Islamic practises.

    While personally, I am agreeable to the current restrictions and requirements on teenage marriage and find the PAS suggestion abhorrent, I find her comments that you have highlighted insulting to Islam and Muslims of this country.

    Why the devil would she mention specifically child marriage and female genital mutilation? If she’s gonna be so worried about universal human rights, why not just say circumcision for all babies? Doesn’t she consider male circumcision a mutilation? If they wanna get all holier-than-thou then they should at least be consistent about it.

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  • 23. truth  |  April 7, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    “It is not for Christian missionaries to dictate positions, to impose ‘modern’ white values on the rest of the world or to frown upon how other religions choose to run their communities.”

    girls to have sex as early as at 10 / 11 yrs old, then produce bastards is okay but marriage is not okay. akhlak songsang terbalik kuang ada jugak yang nama muslim dok advocate….

    church sex scandal all over the world so ‘dahsyat’ vatican city pun tak tercontrol awat yg si boo tu tak nak tulis ? there are lots of negative things to write about christians and christianity – child molestation, nun sex scandal, embezzlement of funds etc etc

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    • 24. islam1st  |  April 9, 2016 at 4:35 pm

      Boo Su Lyn cari makan dengan kutuk Muslims!

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    • 25. Kineas1067  |  April 11, 2016 at 2:54 pm

      How many Western countries have legalised child marriages or allowed Muslims in those countries to follow that practice?

      I don’t know. Do you?

      As for “girls to have sex as early as at 10 / 11 yrs old”, what about their “partners”? Do the participating boys and men get off scot-free?

      Or maybe you think that is ok in a patriarchal worldview?

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  • 26. Keris  |  April 7, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    re: “What’s acceptable is determined by a society for its own members. On marriage matters, Muslims in Malaysia fall under the purview of Syariah.”

    Here are some Quranic illumination on men and women and the spiritual marriage:

    “For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in charity, for men and women who fast, for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah’s praise; for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and a great reward.” [Quran 33:35]

    This contradicts those people who assert that women do not possess souls and will be sexless beings in the next life. The Quran says that women have souls as men do and will enter Paradise by virtue of their goodness:

    “Enter into Paradise, you and your wives, with delight.” [Quran 43:70]

    “Whoever does what is right, and keeps faith, whether male or female, him or her will We quicken to a wholesome life and reward them according to the best of their deeds.” [Quran 16:97]

    The Quran admonishes those men who mistreat women:

    “O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should you treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the dowry you have given them – except when they have become guilty of open lewdness. On the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If you take a dislike to them, it may be that you dislike something but Allah will bring about through it a great deal of good.” [Quran 4:19]

    “O mankind! Reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, his mate, and from this pair scattered (the seeds of) countless men and women. Reverence Allah, through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and reverence the wombs (that bore you); for Allah ever watches over you.”
    [Quran 4:1]

    The Prophet of Islam (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Women are the twin halves of men.”

    The Quran emphasizes the complementarity of men and women:
    “They (your wives) are your garment and you are a garment for them.”
    [Quran 2:187]

    Just as a garment hides our nakedness, a husband and wife secure each other’s chastity and happiness in marriage. “The garment is the grace, the beauty, the embellishment of the body, so too are wives to their husbands as their husbands are to them.” The Quran calls the wife “Muhsana” – a fortress of goodliness she ought to help the man on the path of rectitude in his life. It is for this reason that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: “When a man marries, he has completed one half of his religion.” He enjoined matrimony on Muslims: “Marriage is a fewpart of my way and whoever keeps away from my way is not from me (not among my followers).”

    Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim
    “And among His signs is that the Lord has created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquility with them; and He has put love and mercy between you. Verily in these are signs for those who reflect.” [Quran 30:21]

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  • 27. Mad Hatter  |  April 8, 2016 at 2:51 am

    The age of consent cannot be too low.

    I’m sure you’ve heard stories of sexual predators (creeps) lurking around girl schools to try and lure some of them into consensual sex

    Those in Form 4 and Form 5 are actually above the age of consent. Now if you want to lower it further, you will let the creeps win.

    Imagine a 60 year old creep luring a 12/13 year old girl into having consensual sex and gets away with it. We can’t even call it rape. STDs? Unwanted pregnancies? It is going to happen.

    Personally, I would want the age of consent to be 18 just to keep the creeps away from the schools

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    • 28. truth  |  April 8, 2016 at 6:35 am

      mad,

      your statement irrelevant and senseless

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      • 29. Mad Hatter  |  April 8, 2016 at 9:04 am

        It is perfectly relevant. The age of consent is a law that protects children.

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        • 30. Helen Ang  |  April 8, 2016 at 9:07 am

          Mad Hatter,

          Do note that the age of consent is a secular piece of legislation. For Muslims, you still have got to be married, regardless, lest you fall afoul of Syariah.

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  • 31. RINA  |  April 8, 2016 at 8:25 am

    The relevant authorities should act on this Ms Boo.

    Panggil dia suruh baca Muqadam sampai habis. Kalo dia taktau kasi lotan sama dia. (Lotan takpe pasai itu cara makayah depa ajaq anak2 supaya mulut jangan hebiaq sangat).

    Kalau Muqadam pun tak tau baca apatah lagi AlQuran, habis tu macam mana dia memandai sangat dalam hal2 Agama Islam?

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    • 32. truth  |  April 8, 2016 at 9:01 am

      saya suggest sunatkan, dia belum sunat tu yg perangai cam tu.

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    • 33. Abdullah  |  April 8, 2016 at 11:03 am

      Sebenarnya, Che Boo itu berkurang ilmu dalam membicarakan bab nikah pada ertikata hukum syariat. Sebaiknya dia perlu masukkan pendapat daripada pakar2 rujuk. Akan tetapi dia telah menimbulkan sesuatu khwatiran yang sah, iaitu mengenai salahguna hukum oleh kaum lelaki untuk mendapati wanita muda2 sebagai pelayan nafsu syahwat. Keadaan ini bukan khayalan lagi di banyak negeri2 dunia ketiga yang bermasyarakat Muslim.

      Ramai orang Islam sendiri bersalah faham tentang perkahwinan Sayyidatana Aishah bte Abu Bakr r.a. kepada Sayyidul Mursalin Muhammad s.a.w. Walaupun habibah Aishah berpindah ke rumah Rasulullah pada umurnya 9 tahun, tidak Baginda berkahwin dengan habibah sampai dia berumur belasan tahun – ada kitab turath yang menyatakan selambat ia tercapai umur 19 tahun.

      Agak bermanfaat kalau orang muslim kita jaga daripada menghukum keras si bukan-Islam itu yang memang tak fasih dan kurang berwaspada dalam tuturan. Selari dengan pesanan Rasulullah s.a.w. bahwa ummatnya adalah umat yang mesti terpelihara atas jalan serdahana dan bijaksana.

      https://biografi-tokoh-ternama.blogspot.sg/2014/07/aisyah-binti-abu-bakar-istri-nabi-muhammad-saw.html?m=1

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      • 34. RINA  |  April 8, 2016 at 2:47 pm

        ..Lawmakers were debating the legal age to marry in Malaysia – 18 years for Malaysians under civil law but 16 for Muslim girls. In addition to a lower age of marriage, Muslim teenagers under 16 may marry…..

        “IF THEY OBTAIN PERMISSION FROM THE SHARIAH COURTS”…

        Yang umuq 16yrs old and below are for Muslim girls. Ms Boo yang tidak tahu menahu hal Agama Islam tapi ghairah nak mencelah, payah tau.

        Pasai dia tiada pengetahuan mendalam mengenai Agama kita, nanti timbul le macam2 kisah seperti 1MDB dan 2.6b..tak laghat dok dengaq parrot2 dan burung tiong merapu siang dan malam.

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        • 35. Abdullah  |  April 8, 2016 at 5:28 pm

          Che Rina, selain dari berbincang bab nikah secara syarat umur yang diizinkan balai syariah, perlu juga kita mengamati bab nikah pada ertikata “Ihsan” (Kebaikan dan Keelokan) sepertimana yang digariskan dalam Al-Quranul Karim (yg dikemukakan En. Keris di-atas).
          Dan sesungguhnya ini bukan tempat untuk melompat ke bab jenayah mengenai isu En. Najib dan salah tadbirnya 1MDB.
          Berkaitan dengan usul periksa fekah Islam, telah tertonjol bahwa Che Rina pun perlu lebih mendalami ilmu agama. Harap bermaafan jika kata2 aku tidak kena pada fahaman Che Rina.

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          • 36. RINA  |  April 8, 2016 at 10:28 pm

            I highlighted… “IF THEY OBTAIN PERMISSION FROM THE SHARIAH COURTS”…

            I was told we had a Tgktn4 student pregnant few years back and apparently both parents and the teenage couple consented and secretly married.

            These are some example of cases tht ‘the syariah court should be allowed to consider and give due permission” as we have to take into consideration the future of their unborn baby.

            Ms Boo is not a Muslim..apa dia tau hal Agama Islam? We should not allow those yg bukan Islam ikut buat sama macam En Abdullah. Satni depa pun syiok sekadar turut pakai dok main pick choose and copy paste aje terjemahan Al Quran kat sini, bahaya tau.

            Kita taknak parrot2 macam kes 1MDB dan 2.6b yang dok nunggu saja nak palu gendang.

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          • 37. Akim  |  April 9, 2016 at 9:54 am

            Kesian dia yang di katakan “telah tertonjol bahwa Che Rina pun perlu lebih mendalami ilmu agama”. Dia sebenar nya mendalam ilmu dalam semua perkara.

            Terutama nya ilmu parrot2 dan burung tiong. Pasal 1MDB dan RM2.6 bilion pun dia tahu mendalam juga. Ha nya telinga nya tersumbat apekebende nye.

            Tak kisah le telinga nye tersumbat. Itu hak dia. Tapi dia asyik memparrot dan memburung tiong kan hal itu. Dahtu dia kata tak laghat dengaq pulak. Kesian.

            Dia seorang saja yang boleh memparrot dan memburung tiong. Semalam 2.47 pm dia ” parrot2 dan burung tiong (1MDB dan 2.6b.)”. Di 10.28 pm dia “parrot2 macam kes 1MDB dan 2.6b”. Kesian.

            Tapi sedap dengar Abdullah kata “Najib dan salah tadbirnya 1MDB.” Dah heboh sedunia tahu hal ini. Apa tah lagi selepas PAC bentangkan laporan nya ke Parlimen. Ha nya Projib saja yang tak mahu bincang. Sebab nya kita faham lah. Ini sebut 1MDB ha nya sebagai respons kpd komen2 yang keluar.

            Kot bagus jugak keluar kata kata memparrot 1MDB dan RM2.6 bilion. Boleh di respon di situ. Tapi tak mahu le buat gitu – bukan jenis yang mengeksploitasi sangat. Hehe – “sangat”.

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            • 38. RINA  |  April 9, 2016 at 3:52 pm

              Akim,
              Payah hidup kalo dunia dipenuhi dengan “H”Akim dari court of Venus, bukti entah kemana pakai mai ghedah aje apa oghang tu ini habaq, belum apa2 habih semua oghang dah dituduh dan dihukum… Hah macam hidup dalam zaman KKKlan pla..seram betoi.

              Apakan lagi hal2 Agama yg sangat sensitip dan meluas yang akan menentukan masa depan anak cucu cicit kita.. bahaya tau pakai main pilih petik copy paste terjemahan2 AlQuran, konon to impress bahawa depa yang maha mengetahui dalam segalanya.

              Bersekongkol pla dengan makluk2 sewaktu dgn mereka, membolehkan oghang macam Ms Boo entah alif ba ta pun tak tau nak sebut tapi rasa amat cedik dan pandai dalam segala hal2 Agama Islam.

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          • 39. islam1st  |  April 9, 2016 at 4:40 pm

            Abdullah, Nabi SAW pun bagi nasihat, kalau tak ada benda yang baik untuk diperkatakan lebih baik senyap. Tutup mulut, Membisu.

            Boo Su Lyn kena belajar tutup mulut. Kalau dah kurang ajar dan menghina, saudara nak suruh bersederhana macam mana lagi? Sampai masa, Nabi pun angkat pedang!

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            • 40. Abdullah  |  April 9, 2016 at 5:29 pm

              Nabi Muhammad s.a.w. ada sebaik-baiknya makhluk ciptaan Allah Ta ‘Ala. Dan baginda telah memesan kita supaya berhikmah dan bersabar dalam menyebar Islam kepada manusia yang belum dapat mengetahui agama kita. Supaya orang mukmin dapat meninggikan kalimatullah wa riwayah rasulullah di khalayak masyarakat Malaysia.

              Dari Abu Musa Al-Asy’ari r.a. : “Ada seorang Badwi datang kepada Rasulullah s.a.w. dan dia berkata, ‘Ada orang yang berperang untuk dipuji, ada orang berperang untuk mendapatkan harta rampasan perang dan ada orang berperang agar kedudukannya dilihat. Maka siapakah diantara mereka ada di atas jalan Allah?

              Nabi s.a.w. menjawab, “Barangsiapa yang berperang untuk meninggikan kalimat Allah, maka ia berada di jalan Allah.” [riwayat An-Nasai, 3136]

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              • 41. RINA  |  April 9, 2016 at 6:42 pm

                ….memesan kita supaya berhikmah dan bersabar dalam menyebar Islam kepada manusia yang belum dapat mengetahui agama kita….

                Hai nak pilih Tok Guru Agama, bagi kita dari kalangan Muslim nak berguru kena teliti dan merisik latar belakang Tok Guru Agama dulu.

                Bukan main petik mana2 mamat tepi jalan lagi2 depa dari kalangan parrot2 dan burung tiong. Bahaya tau.

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      • 42. truth  |  April 8, 2016 at 9:29 pm

        abdullah,

        abt the ‘sunat’ thing, it was just a joke.

        your quote : “Ramai orang Islam sendiri bersalah faham tentang perkahwinan Sayyidatana Aishah bte Abu Bakr r.a. kepada Sayyidul Mursalin Muhammad s.a.w. Walaupun habibah Aishah berpindah ke rumah Rasulullah pada umurnya 9 tahun, tidak Baginda berkahwin dengan habibah sampai dia berumur belasan tahun – ada kitab turath yang menyatakan selambat ia tercapai umur 19 tahun.”

        you need to correct your religious fact.

        the enemy of islam is trying to attack and undermine islam and their favorite target is the prophet s.a.w.’s marriages esp. to our mother a’ishah r.a. they tried to cast doubt in our hearts. some muslims fell into their traps and start to change the fact of the hadith.
        according to one of the sheikh i listened to, he said, “what are we afraid of, all we need is to fear Allah and know our intelectual limit. if we don’t understand it just say we don’t understand it and do not lie against the deen (religion of Allah). the fact that is bitter for our enemy is sweet for us (because they are the truth).”

        there are 4 hadith in sahih bukhari and 3 in sahih muslim abt the marriage of our mother a’ishah r.a. to our prophet s.a.w. besides other hadith of the other hadith books. most of the hadith were narrated by aishah herself.
        one of it was ;
        Narrated `Aisha:
        that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death)

        (sahih bukhari vol 7, book 62, hadith no. 64).

        this is more than1400 yrs ago and not something abnormal otherwise the enemies of rasulullah s.a.w. (at that time) would have used this to sensationalize it and to condemn him.

        abt this ms. boo, can she guarantee that her great (100 times great) grandmother did not marry until she was 25. just less than 100 yrs ago girls marrying below the age of 13 was still common. even nowadays in some part of the world girl marriage at the age of 7, 8 and 9 years old still taking place esp. in rural area. i assume these ppl are very strict on custom and moral whereas some of the modern and urban societies are no longer upholding to it, where sex before marriage is common. men and women end up sleeping with multiple partners before end up marrying their wives or husbands.
        in this case, are they qualified to talk abt muslims ?

        the prophet s.a.w. never asked muslims to marry a very much younger women, what he had been stressing on was to follow his sunnah to marry, for men to be good to his wives so on and so forth.

        in my opinion there is nothing wrong with women choosing to get married after they reached the age of 18, 25 or whatever age they desire, and there is nothing wrong to change according to the modern time as long as the laws and rulings of islam are not violated.

        our principle is ‘societies change, values stay’.

        the enemies of islam are only able to focus on his marriage to a’ishah, what abt his marriage to khadijah ? he married khadijah when he was 25 while khadijah was 40 (some narration said 28) and he never took another wife in her entire life (24 yrs) and he was so in love with her until a’ishah was so jealous because he kept mentioning abt the kindness of khadijah and sweet memories he had with her. it shows how much he loved and missed her. when aishah hinted that she was better, the prophet s.a.w. responded that no one can take the place of khadijah / no one better than her.

        let us fear Allah, do not change the fact of our deen.

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        • 43. Mad Hatter  |  April 9, 2016 at 6:01 am

          “even nowadays in some part of the world girl marriage at the age of 7, 8 and 9 years old still taking place esp. in rural area.”

          And we don’t have to follow that custom

          You’re talking about an age where they’re too young to say ‘no’, they’re too young to get pregnant and any attempt at sexual intercourse will certainly be painful

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          • 44. islam1st  |  April 9, 2016 at 4:43 pm

            ‘ they’re too young to get pregnant ‘

            You gets to decide for them is it?

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            • 45. Mad Hatter  |  April 9, 2016 at 8:33 pm

              Trying for a baby at 9 years old?

              Hang gile?

              That is sekolah rendah tahun 3, tahun 6 is UPSR

              How old was your mother when you were conceived?

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              • 46. truth  |  April 9, 2016 at 10:07 pm

                there are mothers who had given birth at the age of 9 and 11 years old, in this day and time. this means they had had sex when they were 8 and 10 years old respectively, and the sexual relationship was not by force rather voluntarily.

                girls can have menstruation as early as at the age of 7 as far as i know. and this means that physically she is ready to bear child otherwise how in the world they engaged in sexual relationship. i am sure you don’t know.

                these are only 2 examples, there are more. just google, you will find it in mainstream media.

                btw, the girls i mentioned above were not forced rather voluntarily, what is your take on it ?

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                • 47. Mad Hatter  |  April 9, 2016 at 11:18 pm

                  ‘My take on it’ is they are too young to consent even if they said ‘yes’

                  ‘Your take on it’ is – if they are old enough to bleed, they are old enough to breed (child marriage)

                  Therefore, my advice to you is “STAY AWAY FROM CHILDREN!!”

                  You’re sick

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                  • 48. truth  |  April 9, 2016 at 11:29 pm

                    lol…….

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                  • 49. truth  |  April 9, 2016 at 11:50 pm

                    sorry, one more …….

                    the problem is the parents say NO !!! but the girls say YES !!!

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                    • 50. Mad Hatter  |  April 10, 2016 at 12:18 am

                      Uh Helen, I think mr. truth here could be a suspected rapist/paedophile

                    • 51. HY  |  April 10, 2016 at 8:35 am

                      y u tell tis to helen? seem like she is fine with this.

                      n I agree with u, some muslim here is really sick.

                    • 52. islam1st  |  April 10, 2016 at 9:45 pm

                      Mad hatter, God’s get to decide on that. Not you, you sicko! Your mum had you at 100 years old is it? No wonder you are so full of shit!

        • 53. Abdullah  |  April 9, 2016 at 9:09 am

          En . Truth, thank you for your reply. Although I think your ‘sunnat’ joke was not a nice thing to throw on Ms. Boo, even if she wrote a rather ‘raw’ article.
          The point is that Muslims in general cannot take the marriage of Sayyadatina Aishah to Rasulullah s.a.w. as a justification to marry child brides themselves. Prophet Muhammad was sent as a mercy to the world. In his times, women had a lowly status as mere bearers of offspring and as objects of male sexual desires. Indeed, female children was something to be ashamed of among the desert bedouins, and there existed the perverted practice of killing baby girls by burying them in the sands. Aishah r.a. was revealed by Allah Most High to be the consort of Muhammad s.a.w. and he nurtured his young wife to become a highly intelligent and capable teacher of his community – a venerable mother of the faithful (ummul mukminin).

          “Urwah ibn az-Zubair menegaskan bahawa Aisyah bukan sahaja arif dalam bidang fiqh, bahkan juga dalam bidang tibb(perubatan) dan syair. Ramai di kalangan sahabat baginda Rasulullah turut merujuk kepada Aisyah berkenaan masalah pewarisan harta yang memerlukan kemahiran tinggi dalam bidang matematik. Para ulama menganggap Saidatina Aisyah sebagai salah seorang ahli fuqaha Islam terawal di samping Umar Ibn al-Khattab, Ali dan Abdullah ibn Abbas. Kata baginda Rasulullah tentang betapa dalamnya pengetahuan Aisyah dalam Islam: ‘Pelajarilah sebahagian daripada agamamu dari al-Humaira’; Al-Humaira, atau ‘si merah’ adalah nama panggilan Rasulullah kepada Saidatina Aisyah r.a. sebab pipinya bermerahan.

          Manusia dari segenap pelusuk tanah Arab telah pergi menemui Aisyah untuk mempelajari ilmu yang dimilikinya. Dikatakan lebih ramai bilangan wanita daripada lelaki yang datang untuk menimba ilmu daripada beliau. Di samping menjelaskan kemusykilan orang ramai, beliau turut mengambil anak-anak kecil, ada di kalangan mereka yatim piatu, untuk dibesarkan dan dilatih di bawah bimbingannya sendiri. Di samping itu juga terdapat saudara-saudara beliau yang mendapat bimbingan yang sama. Dengan demikian, rumah Saidatina Aisyah r.a. dijadikan sekolah dan sebuah institusi pengajian.”

          Sumber: halaqah.net

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          • 54. truth  |  April 9, 2016 at 9:30 pm

            abdullah,

            you failed to justify and explain your misquote of the marriage age of ummul mukminin aishah (basing on the book ‘i don’t know’ where you have got it from – it is contradicted to sahih hadith), instead you come back here with your looooooong story as usual and very sadly again you posted hadith PALSU and MUNKAR (FALSE and FABRICATED) of which rasulullah s.a.w. never said.

            see your post : “””Kata baginda Rasulullah tentang betapa dalamnya pengetahuan Aisyah dalam Islam: ‘Pelajarilah sebahagian daripada agamamu dari al-Humaira’; Al-Humaira, atau ‘si merah’ adalah nama panggilan Rasulullah kepada Saidatina Aisyah r.a. sebab pipinya bermerahan.”””

            imam ibnu kathir r.h. the famous ulama of shafii’s and the best mufassir after imam at-tabari r.h. said :

            “Regarding the hadeeth which the scholars of Fiqh and Usool repeat often, ‘Take half of your religion from al-Humayraa’,’ it is baseless. It has no origin in the recognized source books of Islam. I asked our shaykh Abul-Hajjaaj al-Mizzee (d.742) about it, and he said: ‘It is baseless.”

            imam az-zahabi r.h. of shafii’s said :
            “It is one of those mistaken reports that have no known chain of transmission”.

            hafiz ibnu hajar al-asqalani r.h. of shafii’s and also the author of commentary on sahih bukhary said:
            “I do not know of a single chain of transmission for it, nor have I ever seen it in the source books of Hadeeth, but only in an-Nihaayah of Ibn al-Atheer.”

            hafiz jalal ad din as -suyuti said :
            “I have never seen it (in the source books).”

            al-mizzi, az-zahabi, ibnu kathir, ibnu hajar, as suyuti were all top-notch hadith specialists known for their massive works in organizing and indexing hadith literature.

            The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever tells lies about me deliberately, let him take his place in Hell.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1291; Muslim, 933.

            abdullah,

            if you wish to come back and counter my comments, please make sure that you explain the authenticity of the hadith you have posted above…..if you insist that it is sahih, my question is ‘are you prepared to take your place in hell if you lied ?’.

            i don’t want to see loooooong story. just STOP rambling and just focus on the actual topic. JUST FOCUS ON THE MUNKAR HADITH YOU HAVE POSTED. i repeat again NO RAMBLING NO LOOOOONG STORY just focus on the hadith you have posted. hope you got it !

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            • 55. AntiNgarut  |  April 9, 2016 at 11:52 pm

              Thank you truth, I will check on your sources, but Abdullah’s is full of Hikayat buku buku penuh kesangsian. As always, a lot of Muslims tends to rely on books referred to by their masters … hence, they were denied the truth.

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            • 56. Abdullah  |  April 10, 2016 at 9:59 am

              You are right indeed . . .
              “Leave alone those who take their religion to be mere play and amusement, and are deceived by the life of this world. But proclaim this (truth): that every soul delivers itself to ruin by its own acts: it will find for itself no protector nor intercessor except Allah: if it offered every ransom, none will be accepted: such is (the end of) those who deliver themselves to ruin by their own acts: they will have for drink boiling water, and for punishment, one most grievous: for they persisted in rejecting Allah.”
              (Quran, al-An’am 6:70)

              Now to address your angry reproach, I would like to know how you managed to translate the Malay phrase ” pelajarilah sebahagian daripada agamamu dari al-Humaira” as equal to “take HALF your religion from al-Humayraah”?

              Don’t you know that she is one of the only four companions of the Prophet s.a.w. who have transmitted more than 2000 hadiths, the other three being Abu Huraira, Abdullah ibn Umar, and Anas ibn Malik, radiallahu anhum.
              ________
              Sabda Rasulullah s.a.w.: “Demi Dzat yang jiwaku berada di dalam genggaman-Nya, kamu kalian tidak akan masuk syurga sebelum kalian beriman. Dan kalian tidak akan beriman sebelum kalian saling mencintai. Tidakkah aku tunjukkan kepada kamu sekalian mengenai sesuatu yang kalau kamu melakukannya, maka kalian akan saling mencintai? Sebarkanlah salaam di antara kamu sekalian!
              (HR. Muslim).

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              • 57. truth  |  April 10, 2016 at 9:35 pm

                adoi ! ok, no justification and explanation of the munkar hadith and now i yg kena explain pulak macam mana i managed to translate the Malay phrase ” pelajarilah sebahagian daripada agamamu dari al-Humaira” as equal to “take HALF your religion from al-Humayraah”.

                yang english tu translation daripada arabic (i’ve got it from a very reliable source and surely it has been translated by an expert in arabic), so you punya malay translation tu dari bahasa mana ?

                ini dia the original arabic cuba you translate tgk…
                خذوا شطر دينكم عن الحميراء

                sebelum ni i dah kata arabic (atau mana2 bahasa) kalau di translate takkan beri makna yang literal…kalau you ambik hadith palsu di atas tu mintak 5 orang translate you will see discrepancy in each of translation.

                if we want to learn the work of shakespeare, do we translate all his works into malay in order to learn or do we strive to master english ? (i bkn promote shakespeare, cuma contoh sj).

                why kita nak ambik atau pelajari separuh sj ilmu islam dari ummul mukminin aishah, kita patut ambil sepenuhnya. she had been living with rasulullah s.a.w. and learned directly from him and her knowledge in some aspects of islam are even greater compared to the male sahabah’s. is the munkar hadith trying to implicate that she knows only half of the deen ? impossible.

                look at the danger of munkar hadith, it discredits aishah r.a. in a well hidden manner.

                dan i bukannya marah tapi my stressing sounds a little bit strict.

                i tak tau whose deeds will be accepted by Allah SWT, who He loves and will be on His guidance until the last breath.

                i pray to Allah SWT to guide you (and don’t forget to pray for me too and all muslimin).

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                • 58. islam1st  |  April 10, 2016 at 9:50 pm

                  Abdullah sila perbaiki bahasa Melayu anda. Sikit janggal. Mungkin dari segi nuansa, Truth lagi fasih daripada anda. Takat ilmu saya tak pasti…

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        • 59. Chris  |  April 10, 2016 at 8:49 pm

          What’s this whole hoo-haa about Boo Su Lyn’s tirade against Islam. She’s a professed atheist and feminist who has renounced Christian evangelism; you can read her pronouncement in the Malay Mail online. I’m more impressed with characters like Myriam Francois-Cerrah who embraced Islam when she was 20, and writes for al-Jazeera and the BBC. Here’s how this PhD candidate at Oxford comprehends the issue …….

          http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/sep/17/muhammad-aisha-truth
          excerpt:
          “She was known for her assertive temperament and mischievous sense of humour – with Muhammad sometimes bearing the brunt of the jokes. During his lifetime, he established her authority by telling Muslims to consult her in his absence; after his death, she went to be become one of the most prolific and distinguished scholars of her time.

          A stateswoman, scholar, mufti, and judge, Aisha combined spirituality, activism and knowledge and remains a role model for many Muslim women today. The gulf between her true legacy and her depiction in Islamophobic materials is not merely historically inaccurate, it is an insult to the memory of a pioneering woman.

          Those who manipulate her story to justify the abuse of young girls, and those who manipulate it in order to depict Islam as a religion that legitimises such abuse have more in common than they think. Both demonstrate a disregard for what we know about the times in which Muhammad lived, and for the affirmation of female autonomy which her story illustrates.”

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    • 60. Mca.8481  |  April 9, 2016 at 6:58 am

      Bwk bersabar. Byk ayat2 quran Allah tujukan kpd manusia (ie bukan muslim), sesiapa saja sila buka tafsir quran percuma di internet utk baca, fahami dan kaji ayat2 tuhan. Jadi x pyh muqaddam or rotan2 orang. Jgn jadi mcm Isis tu

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      • 61. islam1st  |  April 9, 2016 at 4:45 pm

        ISIS buat lebih daripada rotan orang la kawan…

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  • 62. Fat  |  April 8, 2016 at 3:55 pm

    Up to this point, you were just a failed journalist cum no mark racist political blogger. Now however, you condone child marriages. Incredible stuff. …

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    • 63. Akim  |  April 9, 2016 at 10:01 am

      You must be a hell of a Fat slob accusing Helen like that. Small mind and not reading much of Helen’s blog posts and comments, eh?

      Or you cannot tell whose writings have substance and whose don’t?

      Be careful now, don’t encroach on the views of other religions on child marriages.

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      • 64. Fat  |  April 9, 2016 at 12:31 pm

        Screw you Akim. FatSo Ang clearly condones child marriages. Fuck you and your politics – but leave the kids alone asshole..

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        • 65. islam1st  |  April 9, 2016 at 4:47 pm

          ‘Up to this point, you were just a failed journalist’

          And you, YOU JUST A TROLL in cyberspace! F. OFF!!!

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          • 66. Akim  |  April 9, 2016 at 5:26 pm

            Txs Islam1st for saving a few nasty words from me on the fler..

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          • 67. Kineas1067  |  April 11, 2016 at 4:10 pm

            Heh, heh….waxing wroth again, are we?

            It takes one TROLL to recognise another…..

            Or maybe it is goblins, banshees and elves – in cyberspace.

            Oh, as a side note, you have not given up on the “koyak passport” issue, have you? Like thrown in the towel?

            Pity that. A royal rumble was looked forward to….

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        • 68. Akim  |  April 9, 2016 at 6:02 pm

          Since Helen has not put out any article or make any comment on the PAC report on 1MDB and the RM2.6 billion, let me make some interesting response to this foul-mouthed biadap bloke Fat slob.

          You sound very much DAP. I’m a Protun and strongly opposed to Projib Helen but will defend her against terribly rude blokes like you. I don’t mind at all Tun Dr Mahathir in the same line as Lim Kit Siang in the Save Malaysia campaign but otherwise detest you DAP-like buggers with no upbringing, no decorum and decency when blogging. People may use harsh words but not lewd, vulgar and obscene ones.

          Helen has dug out DAP ultimate boss Kit Siang’s background, having a father who worked in a pig farm. That may have caused him often making caustic, acidic, bitter, scathing remarks of the kind that contributed to the race riots of 1969 and ISA-ed as well. You are like him.

          Worse, you may in childhood have been left by the pig sty when your parents were toiling in the field day in and day out, you tottering here and there, at times picking up pig shit and putting it into your mouth. That’s why you smell horrible when you speak.

          Whether Helen condones child marriages or not, that’s her business, so long as it does not impinge on the belief or practice of other religions. You should abscond to US and such places where even priests prey on little boys and at one time condoned by the Church. Then use the words you used above and see if they don’t skin you alive. Uncivilized bugger pretending to be civil on little girls.

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          • 69. islam1st  |  April 10, 2016 at 10:01 pm

            Bravo!!! Kenyataan thorbaik dari ladang!

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          • 70. Kineas1067  |  April 12, 2016 at 4:27 pm

            Or to Syria where ISIS has an inclination for “sex slaves”? Or to Germany where European women can be groped because they are “fair game”?

            There are plenty of sexual deviants running around, including the devotees of paedophilia. The Dark Web is the happy hunting ground for those with such inclinations.

            Who are the ” uncivilised b******” then?

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  • 71. I am Woman  |  April 9, 2016 at 10:52 pm

    Now we have 16 minimum age for Muslim marriages. I don’t have a problem with that, just as I do not have a problem with people like Ms Boo setting up household with a man without marrying. I mean if I were a writer like Ms Boo, I would probably write something like “it is an abomination in our Muslim society to turn a blind eye to the obvious practise of zina …”

    See, there are lines and boundaries that you have to respect when you live in a multiracial, multireligious society. Tak bolehlah semua nak campur, semua nak langgar.

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    • 72. Akim  |  April 10, 2016 at 7:35 am

      IAW,

      I often find your comments soothing, substantive, and pleasant to read. Like the above.

      Fitting and making the one aimed at to think at what you say. Never mind Ms Boo reads them or not. Others like her will get the message(s).

      I wish you come in often. My sincere wish..

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    • 73. Kineas1067  |  April 11, 2016 at 3:55 pm

      Like in a secular state? Eh, Akim – what sayest thou?

      Btw, what “lines and boundaries” are you referring to, Ms IAW? Lines and boundaries that apply EQUALLY to all, without discrimination or preferences? Or any other “code words” that you care to employ?

      See, that is “soothing, substantive and pleasant”, is it not?

      Reply
  • 74. truth  |  April 10, 2016 at 10:27 pm

    @ islam1st,

    eh you perli i ke, guna colloquial malay ?
    terasa nih…..

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    • 75. Helen Ang  |  April 10, 2016 at 10:34 pm

      Admin mencelah :)

      Saya dah banyak moderate komen-komen islam1st selama ini, jadi saya sedikit banyak dah kenal dengan gaya dia.

      Komennya di atas adalah ikhlas, bukan perli.

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      • 76. truth  |  April 10, 2016 at 10:38 pm

        takde kak helen, sy cuma bergurau je ngan dia. takde terasa hati pun :) thanks.

        Reply

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