A bonus reason to support hudud

June 3, 2016 at 4:24 am 43 comments

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Twin happiness if Hannah Yeoh and her ilk would follow in Marina’s footsteps too.

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  • 1. tebing tinggi  |  June 3, 2016 at 6:39 am

    If Hannah yeoh were to follow Marina ,we would missed seeing he in baju kurung and tudong .
    She is much Malaysian and anak bangsa Malaysia.

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    • 2. wawe  |  June 4, 2016 at 10:28 am

      Who cares whether they want to leave or not. GOOD RIDDANCE.

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  • 3. whatever  |  June 3, 2016 at 9:27 am

    Could not agree with you more.

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  • 4. truth  |  June 3, 2016 at 9:44 am

    yey…yey…lucu pun ada

    ds najib shld know byk advantage dan takdak disadvantage-nya kalau hudud di- implement-kan

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    • 5. Chris  |  June 3, 2016 at 11:07 am

      Fortunately, there are some of us who understand enough Malay to know what you are up to, and I would say you are furthest away from the truth, much closer to falsehood.

      http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/02/saudi-arabia-beheadings-reach-highest-level-in-two-decades

      “Saudi Arabia carried out at least 157 executions in 2015, with beheadings reaching their highest level in the kingdom in two decades, according to several advocacy groups that monitor the death penalty worldwide.

      In a lengthy report issued in August, Amnesty International noted the case of Lafi al-Shammari, a Saudi national with no previous criminal record who was executed in mid-2015 for drug trafficking. The person arrested together with him and charged with the same offences received a 10-year prison sentence, despite having prior arrests related to drug trafficking.

      Human Rights Watch (HRW) found that of the first 100 prisoners executed in 2015, 56 of them had been based on judicial discretion (ta’zir) and not for crimes for which Islamic law mandates a specific death penalty punishment (hudud).

      Shariah scholars hold vastly different views on the application of the death penalty, particularly for cases of “ta’zir.”

      Of Islam’s four major schools of thought, the underpinning of Saudi Arabia’s legal system is based on the most conservative Hanbali branch and an ideology widely known as Wahhabism. “

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      • 6. RINA  |  June 3, 2016 at 4:08 pm

        Chris,
        La aaaa hang tengok sini sat;

        http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/mar/29/death-penalty-countries-world

        China “thousands” sampai takleh agak nak rekod berapa jumlah sebenar. Why single out Saudi Arabia and beheadings? Just because they practice Hudud? China practice cara apa? Semua cases sana beres ke?

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        • 7. Kineas1067  |  June 3, 2016 at 4:44 pm

          Like the Uighurs? In China?

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          • 8. RINA  |  June 4, 2016 at 8:17 am

            Kineas 1067,

            Uighurs pulak dah? Amboi nuuu, asalkan ada kaitan dengan Islam mata sepet hang buka luas betoi. Takpa ye guna sepet, Cik Helen pun guna perkataan tu..saya oun tumpang sama. You kena buka mata luaih2 sikit, asyik teliang sekadar jarak jauh Singapore aje nih!

            Yang kena gelek dengan kereta kebal kat Tiananman Square hang tak nampak ke article? Yang tu lagi seram. Tapi biasa la..repot 100, 200 orang mati tapi kabar2 angin mencecah ribuan juga.

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            • 9. wawe  |  June 4, 2016 at 10:33 am

              Apa heran, cin-pek-pet-con memang kaki SPINNNN, tounge twister, mengalahkan compatriot depa yang lagi satu tu.

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        • 10. truth  |  June 3, 2016 at 7:33 pm

          baguih kak rina punya homework. depa igt depa pandai sgt dok bawak statistik tu ni

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        • 11. Chris  |  June 3, 2016 at 8:57 pm

          Aiseh Ms.Rina, you don’t only possess a holier-than-thou attitude but you have a rather dark sense of humour. Have you ever heard me championing the Maoist regime? You know, back in those days when my nenek witnessed the brutalities of Chin Peng’s guerillas on the common people, nenek used to revile them as “yao siew pai lang” (cursed villains). Well, these days we have the unconstrained “hudud” terrorism of ISIS on innocent folks. I think my nenek if she was alive and saw their brutalities would revile them just the same.
          You know Rina, it’s a dangerous path to facilitate capital punishment, and unfortunately, also a downward spiral for civility and social order. In this case, as you’ve pointed out the stats, one could say: “don’t walk the same path of Mao’s Big Red”. Haven’t we been Malaysians long enough to know better?

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      • 12. grandmarquis  |  June 3, 2016 at 7:41 pm

        Many countries do capital punishment, in one way or another. Malaysia will hang you, US, they are more creative. The shock you with electricity, inject poison to your blood, put you in gas chamber and also hang you. China and indonesia, they will shoot you. Saudi arabia, beheading.

        So what is the big deal? But all in all, if you have to choose, then I think beheading is the most humane, although it looks brutal. That is because once your head is separated from your body, you are dead. Your nerves are cut off from your brain and you no longer feel the pain (this is of course theoretical science because no one who has been beheaded has come back to tell the story). But then there are many who has escaped gas chamber or electric shock or hang who can tell you how horrific it is.

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      • 13. truth  |  June 3, 2016 at 10:20 pm

        chris,
        you brought here a statistic of merely hundreds of execution cases in saudi.
        do you know that there are hundred of thousands of rape crimes in america and europe. in america alone each year there are abt 280K cases of women been raped. this means, in every less than 5 minutes a woman is raped and the figures do not vary so much each year…domestic violence against women has caused 4 death every day (i don’t think a person like you would miss the cnn, bbc, abc news and so on-you like statistics right, so do not just look at the statistic that attacks islam only…oops muslims. non muslims when they find fault in muslims they thought that is islam…M*R*N!!).
        americas, africa and europe top the list for homicide. the crimes against humanity, women and children are much much more higher in the west, thus, i suggest that Human Rights Watch people better stay in their own countries and watch their own people rather than trying hard to find fault with islam. they better work with their country leaders on how to overcome these all problems, how to minimize or put to zero the cases of law enforcement officers violating their own laws.
        i don’t anti human rights people but their reports are biased and twisted. don’t deny unless you are one of their investigators or at least the one who prepares their reports.
        the police brutality in america causes hundred of deaths to prisoners but if one case took place in muslim majority country the western media will sensationalize the story as if 1000 people had been killed.
        THE WEST WITH IT HUMAN MADE LAW IS OUT OF CONTROL OTHERWISE HOW COME ALVIN TAN THE SWINE IS SO SAFE OVER THERE AND WELL PROTECTED AFTER HIS WORDS ATTEMPTING TO RAPE A WOMAN AND OTHER HORRIBLE ACTS THAT DESERVE CRIMINAL LABEL.

        you don’t have to take an example of one story from saudi judicial case and equate and associate it with islamic law. it is human mr. chris..do you think that if it was not islamic law i.e. it was secular human made law, there will be justice. again it is human who twisted it.

        fyi, there is no such of wahhabis, it just a fabricated name. if you really want to talk abt wahabi bring proof from the authentic sources. do not just rely on one side story. study both sides. that was what i did before.

        who is further away from the truth, much closer to falsehood ? you or me ?

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        • 14. Chris  |  June 3, 2016 at 11:46 pm

          “do you know that there are hundred of thousands of rape crimes in america and europe. in america alone each year there are abt 280K cases of women been raped. this means, in every less than 5 minutes a woman is raped and the figures do not vary so much each year…domestic violence against women has caused 4 death every day.”

          Am I denying that? And are you denying the sad state of civility in hudud Saudi Arabia?

          Saudi Study: 23% of Arab Children Raped; 46% of Arab Students Homosexual

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          • 15. truth  |  June 4, 2016 at 8:11 am

            chris,

            1) why are you bringing the saudi judicial system to my attention ?
            2) had i in any of my posts support the saudi’s hudud law ?
            3) what are you, muslim or non muslim ?

            come back and answer my questions like a man with b**ls.

            the video you posted here, i saw the like many times and watched a lot of them and THAT CAN NEVER GET ME BRAINWASHED EASILY

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            • 16. Chris  |  June 4, 2016 at 3:18 pm

              “1) why are you bringing the saudi judicial system to my attention?”

              in congruence to your bringing the west’s judicial system to my attention

              “2) had i in any of my posts support the saudi’s hudud law ?”

              have i made any references to the jurisprudence of the west?

              “3) what are you, muslim or non muslim ?”

              what kind of humanitarian ethics and religious morals do you uphold?

              “come back and answer my questions like a man with b**ls”

              hitting at me below the belt when the issue is one of grave concern for present humanity tells me that you need more than a brainwash to purify yourself.

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              • 17. truth  |  June 5, 2016 at 12:34 pm

                chris,

                1) RE : “in congruence to your bringing the west’s judicial system to my attention”

                show me where….
                in my post 9.44am, june 3. i did not mention at all abt west’s judicial system and it was never for your attention.

                this is an outright lie.

                in my latter comment all i said was : THE WEST WITH ITS HUMAN MADE LAW IS OUT OF CONTROL….only in my latter comment without elaborating it

                2) RE : had i in any of my posts support the saudi’s hudud law ?”
                have i made any references to the jurisprudence of the west?

                instead of answering my question, you post your question to me i.e. defensive attitude due to failure to answer.

                well, i’ll answer you….i don’t care, so don’t bother mine.

                3) RE: “what kind of humanitarian ethics and religious morals do you uphold?”

                my question was whether you are muslim or not (very simple and nothing to scare of) doesn’t sound so decent for you…but look at your own question..

                well, i am going to answer you : I AM MUSLIM and am proud of that (not pride). i am not scared to say that although the world is giving us all kind of name calling, derogating from our dignity so on and so forth.

                4) RE: “hitting at me below the belt when the issue is one of grave concern for present humanity tells me that you need more than a brainwash to purify yourself.”

                alahai chris, you started it first, now you put the blame on me.

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          • 18. HY  |  June 4, 2016 at 9:05 am

            dun cheat us, arab is the best country in the world, thats y u see no muslim wan to go europe n usa. i hear raje petra would migrate to arab, bring along hadi n najib wakaka.

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            • 19. i no wahhabi i salafi  |  June 5, 2016 at 2:00 pm

              fanatics are hardly any different

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        • 20. Keris  |  June 4, 2016 at 8:49 pm

          Saudara, I think your point about the sometimes sorry state of social problems and criminality in other countries is well taken, but your point of view comes with a caveat:- counterpointnya bukan suatu pengiktirafan kepada hukum hudud sebagai penyelesaian tiap2 jenis masalah sosial atau segala kepincangan proses keadilan.

          http://tariqramadan.com/an-international-call-for-moratorium-on-corporal-punishment-stoning-and-the-death-penalty-in-the-islamic-world/

          That is why Tariq Ramadan, the Oxford professor of Contemporary Islamic Studies at the University of Oxford, and grandson of Hassan al-Banna, the founder of Muslim Brotherhood (Ikhwanul Muslimin) says in his landmark paper, I paraphrase:

          “On the question of hudûd, one sometimes sees popular support hoping to exact a literal and immediate application which would guarantee henceforth the “Islamic” character of a society. In fact, it is not uncommon to hear Muslim women and men (educated and otherwise and more often people of modest means) calling for a formal and strict application of the penal code (hudud, which in their mind is the shari’a) of which they themselves will often be its earliest victims. When one studies this phenomenon, two types of reasoning generally motivate these claims:

          1) The literal and immediate application of the hudud would legally and socially provide a manifest reference to Islam. The legislation, by its harshness, gives a feeling of fidelity to the Qur’anic injunctions that demands rigorous respect of the text. At the popular level, one can infer in the African, Arabic, Asian as well as Western countries, that the very nature of this harshness and intransigence of the application, tends to give an “Islamic dimension to the popular psyche”.

          2) The opposing condemnations by the West paradoxically enhances the populist sentiments in muslims of fidelity to the Islamic teachings.This is a reasoning that is antithetical, simple and simplistic – that the intense opposition of the West is sufficient proof of the authentic Islamic character of the literal application of hudud. Some muslims will assert that the West has long since lost its moral references and become so permissive that the harshness of the Islamic penal code which punishes behaviors judged immoral, is by its antithesis, the only true alternative “to Western decadence”.

          These formalistic sorts of binary reasoning are fundamentally dangerous for they claim and grant an Islamic quality to a legislation, not so much in the justice that it promotes, protects and applies, but more so by sanctioning harsh and visible punishment to certain forms of behavior which are in stark contrast to the Western laws, which are perceived as morally permissive and without a reference to religion. One sees today that communities of Muslim people satisfy themselves with this type of legitimacy to back a government or a party that calls for an application of the sharî’a narrowly understood as a literal and immediate application of hudud – corporal punishment, stoning and the death penalty.
          When this type of popular passion takes hold, it is the sign of a common will to respond to various forms of frustration and humiliation by asserting a group identity that perceives itself as Islamic (therefore anti-Western). Such an identity is not based on the comprehension of the objectives of the Islamic teachings (al- maqâsid al-sharia) or the different interpretations and conditions relating to the application of the hudûd.

          Faced with this passion of the masses, many ulama remain prudent for the fear of losing their credibility with the people. One can observe a psychological pressure exercised by this popular sentiment towards the judicial process of the ulama’ – which should normally be independent so as to educate the people and to propose alternatives. Today, an inverse phenomenon reveals itself: The majority of the ulama’ are afraid to confront these popular and simplistic claims which are not backed by knowledge, but are based on human passions and black-and-white in character, for fear of losing their status and being defined as having compromised too much, or not being strict enough, or too westernized or “not Islamic enough”.

          The ulama’, who should be the guarantors of a deep reading of the texts, the guardians of fidelity to the objectives of justice and equality and of the critical analysis of conditions and social contexts, find themselves having to accept either a formalistic application (an immediate non-contextualized application), or a binary reasoning (less-Western-is-more-Islamic), or they hide behind “almost never applicable” legal pronouncements which protects them but which does not provide real solutions to the daily injustices experienced by women and the underprivileged in the population.”

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          • 21. Abdullah  |  June 5, 2016 at 2:40 pm

            In the Name of Allah All-Compassionate and Merciful

            On the authority of Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) – from among the things he reports from his Lord, Almighty and Most Sublime – that he said:

            A servant of God committed a sin and said: ‘O Allah, forgive me my sin.’ And the Lord said: “My servant has committed a sin and knows that he has a Lord who forgives sins and also punishes them.” Then he sinned again and said: ‘O Lord, forgive me my sin.’ And the Lord again said: “My servant has committed a sin and knows that he has a Lord who forgives sins and punishes for them.” Then he sinned again and said: ‘O Lord, forgive me my sin.’ And the Lord (Most Glorious and Exalted) said: “My servant has committed a sin and has known that he has a Lord who forgives sins and punishes for sins. Do what you wish, for I have forgiven you.” (narrated by Muslim and Bukhari).

            Sheikh Hamza Yusuf – “Islam, Citizenship, and Religious Liberty”

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    • 22. Orang Perlis  |  June 3, 2016 at 3:06 pm

      Encik truth.. DS Najib orang liberal…mana dia tahu,,betuikan? :)

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      • 23. truth  |  June 3, 2016 at 7:30 pm

        pasai apa yg you dok cakap pasai liberal kat i. i x penah ckp kat sapa2 pun hal2 mcm ni not even tun M. i cuma komen i x suka dia bersekongkol dgn DAP. i x penah langsung komen pasai personal background family & anak pinak dia. apa hai you dok mai bagitau i pasai najib liberal.
        kalau najib liberal, i pun bknnya islamic sgt it just that i love Allah and islam, anything to do with islam.
        all i see najib is cenderung ke arah islam. kalau i nak sokong, i can sokong pas, but they are x tentu arah walaupun bawak propaganda islam.
        kalau islam membenarkan (dan i x tahu) boleh sokong kafir sebab dia nak buat islamic law i akan sokong walaupun orang tu KAAAFIIIIIR !

        you suruh i belajaq utk agree to disagree, i rasa that nasihat is more befitting you.

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        • 24. Orang Perlis  |  June 5, 2016 at 8:33 am

          ok terima kasih. itu saja saya nak tahu. :). and it proves a point ive seen amonsgt people who Najib.

          Selamat Ramadhan

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          • 25. truth  |  June 5, 2016 at 10:40 am

            sometimes i mmg kasaq skit.

            selamat ramadhan to you too.

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  • 26. truth  |  June 3, 2016 at 9:45 am

    “Marina Mahathir says will leave Malaysia if hudud arrives”

    that is what we want

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    • 27. shamshul anuar  |  June 3, 2016 at 3:12 pm

      Truth,

      Good riddance.

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      • 28. truth  |  June 3, 2016 at 7:16 pm

        encik shamsul,
        kita sependapat :)

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        • 29. Aku Melayu  |  June 4, 2016 at 5:18 am

          I woud be very happy too kalau dia belah. Angkut sekali SIS and G25.

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          • 30. truth  |  June 4, 2016 at 11:29 am

            betoi..betoi..betoi

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          • 31. shamshul anuar  |  June 4, 2016 at 5:47 pm

            Truth,

            Saya gembira jika Marina berhijrah dan tinggal bersama masyarakat yg dia suka. Kalau boleh bawa sekali haprak haprak mcm Mohd Sabu yg tak ada bawa satu manfaat pada sesiapa pun.

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  • 32. An Ordinary Malaysian  |  June 3, 2016 at 11:01 am

    Helen,

    You have previously mentioned that you do not support hudud.

    Why is that?

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  • 33. RINA  |  June 3, 2016 at 11:05 am

    Elok la tu balik dok kampung suami.
    Kan biasanya isteri ikut keluarga suami.

    Sana Bakso pasti fresh2 dan yummy

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  • 34. kampong lad  |  June 3, 2016 at 11:53 am

    Ada tak memberi manafaat, berambus pun tak mendatangkan mudharat.

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    • 35. HY  |  June 4, 2016 at 9:22 am

      dun agree, i think marina is fine, surprisingly.

      i hope muslim (or malay) is given a choice to be punished under hudud or not. i am perfectly fine if muslim wan hudud. however i dun understand how this dun affect non muslim. until now i dun read any enlighten material that could convince me. hasan n unknown only talk form their personal view, just like a good piece of music, listen for fun is okay.

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      • 36. truth  |  June 4, 2016 at 11:37 am

        bila i baca you punya komen i nampak ada satu lampu mentol bercahaya kat atas kepala i, satu idea dtg kenapa marina m takut sgt dgn hudud law dan nak lari. siapa ntah ari tu ckp apa takut kalau x bt salah….mmmmmm…..eh x mau x mau buruk sangka !!!

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      • 37. kampong lad  |  June 4, 2016 at 1:53 pm

        dear HY,

        1. dia mendapat perhatian kerana mahathir is part of her name. artikel2 yg ditulis bukan rocket science.

        2. allah (swt) has never given any name to the capital punishment, so, where did hudud come from?. yes, muslim is the given name to those who submit (to his will).

        3. ok, dikatakan hudud adalah hukuman utk kesalahan2 jenayah keatas muslims & your concern is that it may be applicable to nons as well. now, if you care to read the contents of medina charter, though the prophet (saw) was the supreme leader, the tribes of jews were permitted to live in accordance with their own traditions & laws. this is the prophet’s sunnah & will the (muslims) lawmakers go against it?

        4. existence of all the political parties in malaysia is due and subjected to the federal constitution which is secular. regarding hudud, lots of people are fond of referring to the article 8 which state that all persons are equal before the law. which law?

        5. until now, the syariah laws vary from state to state & why not make them a uniform standard & practice.

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  • 38. sarimah  |  June 3, 2016 at 1:50 pm

    Hoooraaaay………….marina mahathir leaving. No big deal if she here or not. She made more nuisance with her sister in islam

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    • 39. Kineas1067  |  June 3, 2016 at 4:46 pm

      And this won’t detract from the “gene pool”?

      Hahaha….

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  • 40. Orang Perlis  |  June 3, 2016 at 3:19 pm

    Im hoping Marina AND Najib can leave together :D

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    • 41. Aku Melayu  |  June 4, 2016 at 5:20 am

      I’m hoping Marina and her daddy can leave together for good.

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    • 42. HY  |  June 4, 2016 at 9:08 am

      yes n pls invite mahathir n hadi along.

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  • 43. Stupid Hadi  |  June 3, 2016 at 9:04 pm

    I think PAS got screwed by UMNO….. again.

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