“I don’t want them in our country” — Donald Trump

June 15, 2016 at 9:54 am 50 comments

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ABOVE: Evangelical Christians are Trump’s strongest supporters

The Afghan parents of Orlando mass shooter Omar Mateen should never have been accepted by the USA as immigrants, declared Donald Trump.

According to Trump, Omar’s father had published his support for the Taliban. “This shooter in Orlando was the child of an immigrant father who supported one of the most repressive regimes on Earth. Why would we admit people who support violent hatred?”

“Immigration is a privilege, and we should not let anyone into this country who doesn’t support our communities,” said Trump in a major policy speech on Monday.

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America is a Christian country, Muslims not welcome

In his Monday speech at the New Hampshire Institute of Politics, Trump decried that “radical Islamic terrorists” continue to pour into the country.

Responding directly to the carnage in Orlando Florida, Trump told his audience, “our new goal must be to defeat Islamic terrorism, not nation-building”.

“Why does Hillary Clinton want to bring people here — in vast numbers — who reject our values?” he asked.

Trump characterized the Muslim refugees accepted under the Obama administration’s foreign policy  as “individuals who preach hate against our own citizens”. He also believes that aside from their cultural incompatibility with American values, they pose a threat to national security.

Referring to the “radical mosques” and its radical Muslim activists, Trump wonders why his rival Hillary would want to admit into the USA “people who support violent hatred”.

This negative view of Muslims is shared across the American heartland and Bible Belt.

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Trump: Our new goal is not nation-building, it’s anti-terrorism

In the same fiery speech, Donald Trump dismissed the attempt by Democrats to foster world peace as a failure.

“We’ve tried it President Obama’s way. He gave the world his apology tour, we got ISIS, and many other problems in return,” opined Trump.

Instead, the Republican presumptive presidential nominee offered his own alternative approach, “America must unite the whole civilized world in the fight against Islamic terrorism, just like we did against communism in the Cold War”.

Trump is one of two persons (if not him then the Democrats’ Hillary) who is going to be the next president of the United States. His voice is the voice of a substantial segment of the American population.

Among his supporters, Trump is most strongly backed by evangelical Christians. He and the Republican voter base don’t want Muslims to be allowed into their country.

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Some groups of people just don’t belong

Trump and the conservative white crowd furthermore believe that children of Muslim immigrants living in America risk being radicalized.

Citing Orland shooter Omar as an example, Trump said, “The bottom line is that the only reason the killer was in America in the first place was because we allowed his family to come here”.

“Yes, there are many radicalized people already inside our country as a result of the poor policies of the past. But the whole point is that it will be much, much easier to deal with our current problem if we don’t keep on bringing in people who add to the problem,” said Trump of his proposal to ban Muslim immigration.

He added that the issue of lack of integration by Muslim immigrants is a fact, “and it’s a fact we need to talk about”.

Questioning the wisdom of Uncle Sam ever accepting immigrants who are unable to fit in, Trump said his proposed ban on Muslims is “not an act of offense against anyone; it is an act of defense”.

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“They’ve put political correctness above common sense” — Trump

Pointing his finger at Hillary, Trump said, “She is in total denial, and her continuing reluctance to ever name the enemy broadcasts weakness across the world”.

He lamented too that “the current politically correct response cripples our ability to talk and think and act clearly”.

Slamming the political correctness that makes pro-diversity leftists talk around the issue, Trump challenged Hillary to confront it head on. “The burden is on Hillary Clinton to tell us why she believes immigration from these dangerous countries should be increased without any effective system to screen who we are bringing in.”

Trump is convinced that “many of the principles of radical Islam are incompatible with Western values and institutions”. For one, syariah is oppressive and an anathema to “a free and open society”, he warned.

“Radical Islamic preachers of hate and violence. We are importing Radical Islamic Terrorism into the West through a failed immigration system,” he added.

Evangelical Christians in the Republican states who are of the same mind as Trump do not want Muslims in their country. They despise Islam.

The born again evangelistas in Malaysia are no different from their American counterparts.

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  • 1. dato abdul rahman b mohd noor  |  June 15, 2016 at 11:49 am

    Donald trump is a con man,a clown, a loose cannon n a nut.
    he has single handedly turn d party of Lincoln n Reagan into his brand of politics that is based on hate n fear.

    d GOP leadership is cracking their heads on how to rein him in. they may even find n alternative during their convention next mth. defeat for them is almost certain if he continues unabated.

    so pls do not give him prominence as even his colleagues r distancing themselves away from him. he is against every thing imaginable – he called women pigs, Latinos rapists n murderers n Muslims terrorists.

    there r abt 7mil muslims (large nos are reverts) in d US n it is steadily growing . I remember d late Ahmad Deedat (a muslim da’ie) once said that ‘ d sun of islam wil rise from d west’. I think what he meant was that d west wil lead d way in propagating d religion of Allah swt .Insya;allah

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    • 2. Lousy.Engineer  |  June 15, 2016 at 10:20 pm

      You can call him whatever you want sir but the reality is he’s a likely US presidential candidate precisely because he got the lion’s share of Republican delegates’ votes in primaries (1542 votes versus the 2nd placing Ted Cruz with a mere 559 votes). That means his views on migrants , Muslims and other issues actually resonates with his supporters.

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    • 3. Aku Melayu  |  June 16, 2016 at 3:43 am

      The first para – You have described Mahathir Mohamed to a T. Just change Donald Trump to Mahathir and d party of Lincoln n Reagan to UMNO.

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      • 4. dato abdul rahman b mohd noor  |  June 16, 2016 at 11:57 am

        fyi those r not my words. I m simply repeating what his fellow Reps described him in d primary debates. one can add a dozen more from other sources.

        tun m was also given/called many names until today. it may b appropriate or it may b not but 4 d large part of his 22 reign, he delivered. some r even calling him ‘senile old man’ now even though I find him as ‘sharp as a razor’. likewise ds najib is labelled wth all sorts of demeaning names n its just d beginning .

        trump may b confirmed as d GOP candidate 4 president by d RNC convention next mth. if this happens he wil b just one step from being d facto leader of d free world. does it bother me? of course !. as com in chief of d US military, he is d only person entrusted wth d code that can activate d ‘red button’. a person who shoots from d hip makes decisions on d spur of d moment shld b d last person 2 shoulder this responsibility.

        I m no big fan of Hillary either. however she is d lesser of d 2 evils. its good 2 know that according 2 d Bloomberg gallop poll, she is leading by 14 pts. if d gen election is being held now, she wld run away wth a landslide win.

        my humble plea is 2 stay away from trump even if its just our attempt 2 score political pts. ‘GOD save Malaysia’.

        salam.

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    • 5. An Ordinary Malaysian  |  June 16, 2016 at 1:32 pm

      dato abdul rahman b mohd noor,

      re : defeat for them is almost certain if he continues unabated.

      I would not count on that.

      Anger towards Muslims in the US is higher than you think.

      It has nothing to do with evangelical Christians as people might have us believe.

      While the rednecks may not load up their AR-15s and go hunting for Muslims, you can be certain that there are many who would love to do so.

      So, for these rednecks, there is another way – vote Trump.

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      • 6. dato abdul rahman b mohd noor  |  June 16, 2016 at 9:42 pm

        u may b right. d kkk, ‘red necks’ n other white supremacist groups do exist n in some area r quite dominant. they r against d black n Latinos immaterial of their religious affiliation. surprisingly d Jews r also not exempted. thank GOD that their numbers r dwindling.

        take away their ‘birth right’ 2 own AR that r meant 4 battle ground use, they become harmless.

        in politics, nothing wil survive 4 long if it is based on racism n hate.
        trump has gone way 2 far n it is almost impossible 4 him 2 reverse.

        racist tendencies exist every where in d world more so in situation where daily survival becomes a struggle.

        my take in Malaysia is that we r stil ok bcos d Chinese r able 2 make do in d private sector where d bumis depend heavily on d public sector. we shld however b very worried wth d fate of d indian youths. a lot of d violent crimes r committed by them. (I stand 2 b corrected). some long term solution need 2 b formulated.

        if I m not mistaken in d US there is this safety net system where unemployment benefits r paid 2 cover 4 basic needs. may b this approach shld b considered in Malaysia while creation of jobs b thought of n implemented asap.

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        • 7. An Ordinary Malaysian  |  June 17, 2016 at 6:47 pm

          re: d kkk, ‘red necks’ n other white supremacist groups do exist n in some area r quite dominant.

          Rednecks are not only the KKK and white supremacist groups.

          There are the new breed of rednecks which are quite sophisticated, believe it or not. I have met them :)

          re:take away their ‘birth right’ 2 own AR

          I don’t think that will be happening any time soon.

          Americans are not sheep who are scared of their government unlike Malaysians :)

          re:in politics, nothing wil survive 4 long if it is based on racism n hate.

          Believe it or not, some political parties have actually survived more than 50 years, held power for all that time and seem to be growing stronger, and all through using racism and hate.

          There is a twist here – religion is also thrown into the mix nowadays.

          re: d Chinese r able 2 make do in d private sector where d bumis depend heavily on d public sector.

          And that is where I think we have problems.

          Why should the Chinese be confined to the private sector only?

          Many of the Chinese live a hand-to-mouth existence in the private sector. I personally know of several.

          Why should the bumis have to depend heavily on the public sector?

          Despite the billions spent, we have not furthered the bumis very much further from handouts. And we are still doing more of the same. Why?

          re: very worried wth d fate of d indian youths.

          Hahahah!!

          Who cares about those dirty filthy Indians?

          If Islam had not taught them to be polite and be clean, things would be worse, right?

          THOSE ARE REAL VIEWS HELD BY SOME MALAYSIANS WHICH THEY TEACH TO OTHERS.

          There are virtually no programs to assist those Indian youths.

          Billions have spent on Malay youths and we now have lots of Mat Rempits which could one day become as good as Valentino Rossi.

          The Chinese youth are virtually being looked after by private donations from their own communities with some assistance grants from the Government.

          The Indian youths?

          Well, like I said, nobody seems to care.

          I heard that the Government is even cutting travel grants to Tamil schools because of a lack of funds!

          Others are saying that those travel grants are being cut because some Tamil schools are using those grants to travel to overseas international school competitions and WINNING those international competitions.

          So, no travel grants, no travelling, no international competitions, no winning – embarrassment problem solved.

          re:some long term solution need 2 b formulated.

          Yes, I am sure somebody is looking at formulating some long term solutions.

          A report is probably due in June 7016 – very long term.

          re: this safety net system where unemployment benefits r paid 2 cover 4 basic needs.

          Unemployment benefits cost money.

          The government appears to have better use for the money.

          Anyway, unemployment benefits can only be, at best, a stop-gap measure if the rest of the system is not fixed up, eg economic growth, lifting education standards, equitable distribution of wealth and opportunities, etc etc.

          There are no quick fixes for Malaysia.

          Wholesale structural change need to be effected.

          Religion, racial segregation, the culture of corruption, etc etc need to be sent to the dustbin where they belong. They have not served Malaysia well in the last 50 years.

          Unfortunately, I doubt if anybody is brave enough to stick their head up to champion such structural change..

          I am definitely not the one or I would be using my real name, wouldn’t I? :)

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          • 8. Helen Ang  |  June 17, 2016 at 7:25 pm

            re: “re:in politics, nothing wil survive 4 long if it is based on racism n hate.” / “Believe it or not, some political parties have actually survived more than 50 years, held power for all that time and seem to be growing stronger, and all through using racism and hate.”

            DAP was founded in 1965.

            Yes, the racist party has survived more than 50 years fomenting hate, anger and resentment.

            And it is growing strong and thriving though fanning hatred, and already reached 95 percent of the Chinese. However at this level of saturation, DAP has maxed out on Chinese support.

            That’s why the evangelical party has started having Melayu DAP on its payroll to carry out the”Malayu screw Melayu” strategy. These barua DAP are being very well rewarded, like that Protun Umno reject fella.

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            • 9. dato abdul rahman b mohd noor  |  June 17, 2016 at 10:25 pm

              to ‘an ordinary Malaysian’,

              I m just reflecting reality.
              d same is happening in Indonesia where d Chinese ,thru necessity r looking after themselves n flourishing in d private sector.
              they r also slowly creeping into d political arena wthout many knowing it bcos of their ‘Indonesian names’.it is also true in other SEA countries.

              I personally feel that d politics of fear, hate n racism wil slowly lose its luster n I hv every reason 2 feel optimistic that d young enlightened political cadres wil take up this mettle n bring this country forward based on meritocracy.

              it was areal pity that tun razak’s idea of having all political parties under d BN banner was rejected by some especially d DAP. wth d MCA n Gerakan becoming like a fringe n irrelevant partner, may b the next scenario wld b govt of national unity where racial differences can b resolved under one roof. in d process minimizing d fear n hate factor.

              for this 2 happen, every one shld then b prepared 2 forfeit some of their entrenched beliefs of birth rights n racial/cultural rights.

              needless 2 say that I was n eye witness 2 d may 69 racial conflict n I pray that it wil never happen again.

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              • 10. An Ordinary Malaysian  |  June 18, 2016 at 3:52 pm

                dato abdul rahman b mohd noor,

                re : “they r also slowly creeping into d political arena wthout many knowing it bcos of their ‘Indonesian names’.”

                “They”? Are you referring to Indonesians or Chinese?

                If they are Indonesian, does it matter whether they are Chinese, Indian, Javanese, Sumatran, Achehnese, West Papuan, etc?

                re: “d young enlightened political cadres wil take up this mettle n bring this country forward based on meritocracy.”

                Meritocracy?

                Not going to happen any time soon as long as we have an entrenched system which is heavily biased towards a racial-cum-religious group.

                A young enlightened political cadre on the right side of the fence will know which side of his bread is buttered.

                He/she will do everything and anything possible to retain the status quo.

                re: “may b the next scenario wld b govt of national unity where racial differences can b resolved under one roof.”

                But we already have this model of national unity where racial differences have been resolved.

                You are Malay, I am not – racial difference resolved.

                So you get to drive the bus and I am not allowed to do anything other than be a passenger and pay the fare..

                re : “for this 2 happen, every one shld then b prepared 2 forfeit some of their entrenched beliefs of birth rights n racial/cultural rights.”

                I hope that you realise the non-Malay non-Muslim do not have very much left to give up.

                re: ” I was n eye witness 2 d may 69 racial conflict n I pray that it wil never happen again.”

                Although May 13, 1969 was a long long time ago, I do not doubt that there are still people today who would love to go around killing any non-Malay non-Muslim on the pretext of racial/religious pride and honour.

                But times have changed and society has changed.

                The Chinese and the Indians are now in the minority and I doubt if any of them would dare start anything.

                I had written a long reasoning for why I didn’t think May 13 would happen again but I decided to scrap it because it is really really long :)

                So, I’ll just leave it at times have changed and society has changed.

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                • 11. dato abdul rahman b mohd noor  |  June 18, 2016 at 7:24 pm

                  I m referring 2 d Indonesian Chinese. oh yes they r very2 proud of their origin eventhough they refrain from being 2 demonstrative. they hv also learnt thru their bitter xperience as late as 1998 when d regional financial crisis hit Indonesia very badly.

                  on d may 13 racial riot, I did pen down my xperience thru n article ‘memperingati peristiwa mei 69’.

                  we missed a good opportunity 2 build a foundation 4 a true Malaysian identity bcos at that time tun razak cld hv introduced anything wthout any major objection from d other races (especially d Chinese). d country then was under MAGERAN (akin 2 military rule). no body knows whether he had such strategies as his tenure as PM was short lived. his major pre occupation was how 2 uplift d economic std of d malays/bumis which were more pressing then.

                  after his demise we more or less lost our direction n priorities under tun Hussein. d Rukun Negara was rather a weak attempt in trying 2 pacify every race n religious creed.

                  my observation is that tun m almost entirely came up wth his own version on how 2 make Malaysia a great nation. national unity wil emerge as everybody wil b happy n hv a chance 2 share d economic cake. unfortunately d implementation was hijacked by greedy individuals n d trickle down effect was not felt by everybody.

                  ds najib has lost d moral legitimacy 2 govern d country. I m sure he is having a tough time getting out of d rut that he got himself into. he has d power of incumbency but wthout being supported by people’s power it surely has d tedency 2 lead 2 real autocratic rule. GOD FORBID.

                  God willing we wil evolve into a united Malaysian race many2 generations 2 come where d foundation wil not necessarily rely heavily on d indigenous race n culture but rather a fusion of all.

                  it wil definitely not happen during my life time but knowing that there r young cadres from all political persuasions having similar feelings makes d task more achievable.

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      • 12. Chris  |  June 17, 2016 at 6:14 pm

        It’s peculiar. While the Trump camp may be very islamophobic about all things Islamist State, yet Trump personifies the national desire for non-military intervention on foreign soil. And that applies not just to the Mid-East policies, but America’s commitment to NATO as well. At home, “political correctness” has exacted a terrible strain on communitarian ethics by promulgating the relativism of individual rights and social values.

        http://www.npr.org/2016/05/05/476844409/pat-buchanan-on-why-he-shares-trump-s-ideas-on-foreign-policy

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  • 13. tebing tinggi  |  June 15, 2016 at 3:07 pm

    ” I don’t want them in our country ” ,Trump has every damn right to say that .
    America is his country and it’s country of the whites christian , there should not be others that could disturb their peace .

    In Malaysia the Chinese Gerakan says ,the Mufti has no right to tell the Chinese how to dress .

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    • 14. shamshul Anuar  |  June 16, 2016 at 6:05 am

      Tebing Tinggi,

      Yup. Mufti is seen as has no right to tell Chinese how to dress. But the said Mufti is only advising Muslims on dress code. For those who feel Western concept is the only concept accepted, a Mufti’s advice may seem challenging one’s right.

      But for Muslims who claim or want to be known as “beriman”, Mufti is just fulfilling his obligation

      AS FOR THE CHINESE IN MALAYSIA, in all sincerity I feel that they simply refuse to fit in. They refuse one school concept and insist that separate school is guaranteed in the Constitution when actually the opposite is the truth. Constitution only guarantees the right to learn, practice one’s mother tongues.

      And they get away with it as those in power(in this case UMNO) just practises the irritating habit of not wanting to rock the boat. Unfortunately, such attitude creates generations that are divided not seen elsewhere at least on this planet.

      I heard cases where old Chinese were granted citizenships even if they do not speak Bahasa Melayu. In USA, Spain, Thailand, I know the govt of the day(or any day) will simply ask you to learn the language before dreaming to be the citizens.

      One academician, Prof Dr Redhuan tee once said that number of temples in Selangor exceeds the number of mosques or suraus put together although the Indian population is only a quarter to that of Malay population. In other countries, the authorities would simply tear down illegal worship areas. No question asked and no apology given.

      In other countries, in no time DAP would be outlawed, citing racism and anti majority attitude. In other countries, the authority would simply stop publication of media that slanders.

      In other countries, I would imagine that those in power would gladly show to the world what Anthony Loke said about Chinese should not be afraid of Hudud or publish a 16 pages letter by Dr Wan Azizah to PM on her husband’s sexual inclination.

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      IMAGINE THE OPPOSITE. Najib as CM of Penang and Guan Eng as PM. And picture this: Najib created securiy force on his own accord. WHAT IS GUAN ENG’s reaction.

      Kenapalah pemimpin UMNO ni lembik sangat?

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      • 15. Setem  |  June 16, 2016 at 2:31 pm

        quote,”Kenapalah pemimpin UMNO ni lembik sangat”unquote.

        because there are bloggers like Helen who refuse to criticize the pemimpin UMNO no 1 due to their unfounded fear that should Najib goes away, DAP will reign in Putrajaya. hahahaha….

        also because CASH is KING, brother!

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      • 16. tebing tinggi  |  June 16, 2016 at 5:28 pm

        We should have a kind’s of “Trump” in Malaysia ,or else we have a Malay Muslim government but run by Chinese and Indian (UTM slide ) is one recent example and many-many example earlier .

        The mufti is said to, only advice the Muslim.

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      • 17. tehtarik  |  June 20, 2016 at 8:17 am

        Ustaz ridhuan tee also sends his children to SJKC.
        What say you about this?

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        • 18. Helen Ang  |  June 20, 2016 at 9:24 am

          Unlike lay preacher Hannah Yeoh, ustaz Ridhuan Tee acknowledges himself to be Chinese. He even used to be a life member of the Malaysian CHINESE Association (MCA).

          He was also a founder member of Macma – the Malaysian CHINESE Muslim Association.

          Hannah on the other hand, belongs to the “beyond race” and “colour blind” party. She claims that her race is bangsa “Anak Malaysia”.

          So it’s about time that Hannah starts behaving more like a Malaysian than as the ultra kiasu Chinese that she is.

          She can begin by first acknowledging that Malaysia is a Muslim land and not a secular country as her party mistakenly proclaims.

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  • 19. RD.  |  June 15, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    Trump must have forgotten that, when Omar Mateen’s family was allowed into US, the Taliban was being coined into existence and funded by the American tax-payers to fight Russian occupation in Afghanistan.
    ISIS too was initially funded by the US, Saudi Arabia and Turkey to topple Syria’s Hafez Assad, before the Russian intervention. And…ISIS too, would not have existed if the US and it’s allies had not invaded Iraq and Libya, literally murdering Saddam Hussein and Gaddaffi.
    Therefore, you reap what you sow, Trump.

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    • 20. Lousy.Engineer  |  June 15, 2016 at 10:39 pm

      Omar Mateen’s parents were granted green cards and subsequently American citizenship. Shouldn’t Omar be grateful (“bersyukur”) to the American government for being able to make a decent living on America’s soil (he’s a private security guard) as an American? Remember that citizenship is a privilege, not a right. Thus, Omar’s allegiance should then be with America instead of Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan or Libya because he has almost zero connection to these countries other than religion(?).
      Similarly, Chinese and Indians have been given citizenship in Malaysia many eons ago and they have been told by establishment to be grateful.

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      • 21. g  |  June 24, 2016 at 12:13 am

        Citizenship in a country is a privilege only if you are born in another country. But if you are born here then citizenship is automatic. Unless you want to start throwing newborn babies into the sea…

        Therefore my citizenship in this country of my birth cannot be questioned

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  • 22. Mulan  |  June 15, 2016 at 4:59 pm

    So what is Trump’s stand on homosexuality?
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/06/christian-pastor-says-gay-victims-of-orlando-massacre-deserve-no-sympathy/

    “Pastor Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church releases a new video criticizing fellow Christians who show sympathy for the victims of the Orlando massacre.

    In his vile video message Pastor Anderson tells his followers that Christians should not feel or show sympathy for the gay victims of the Orlando massacre. Instead, he encourages his fellow Christians to keep “a biblical view of the sodomites”:

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  • 23. Blue  |  June 15, 2016 at 6:38 pm

    This is what the bible says about homosexuality:

    “If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them (NKJ, Leviticus 20:13)”

    If Trump is good christian then he should be cheering Mateen and not condemning him.

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    • 24. Kineas1067  |  June 15, 2016 at 9:27 pm

      Quoting from the Old Testament?

      Are you passing yourself off as a Biblical scholar? And quoting without reference to context?

      I much prefer the forthright statement made by a Singapore minister yesterday.

      What statement? Go read it on the Singapore Straits Times website (www.straitstimes.com).

      As for whether Trump is a good Christian, that is between him and God, is it not?

      I believe that God is more inclined to be compassionate and merciful.

      Which might not be in sync with your mindset, but, hey, as it said in the Bible – “my ways are not your ways, my thoughts are not your thoughts”.

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      • 25. RINA  |  June 16, 2016 at 11:45 pm

        Kineas 1067

        …As for whether Trump is a good Christian, that is between him and God, is it not?…

        You just give simple answer cukup. Trump is still living, the late Orlando shooter is dead. Now do you think Trump is a good Christian, yes or no?

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        • 26. Kineas1067  |  June 17, 2016 at 3:32 pm

          Oh, dear – here we go again.

          Now, what is the point that you are trying to make?

          Are you conflating Donald Trump and the late Omar Mateen and their respective agendas?

          Trump has already made his views pretty clear. About Muslims, among other matters.

          Whereas no one is really sure what drove Omar Mateen to do what he did.

          God sees into the hearts and minds of men and women. Also children. And also LGBTs….

          Let Him be the Judge.

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          • 27. Mulan Malaysia  |  June 17, 2016 at 9:54 pm

            While we are busy discussing about the Orlando shooting, the murder of Jo Cox by a right wing killer should be discussed too.
            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/16/britain-first-the-far-right-group-with-a-massive-facebook-follow/

            “The Leader of Britain First has distanced the far-right group from the murder of Labour MP Jo Cox, despite several witnesses confirming that the killer shouted “Britain First” three times during the attack in Leeds on Thursday.”

            We must ask now why are the far right getting prominence in Europe. We must also ask how will these impact UK or any European countries who are beginning to celebrate diversity. And next how will the rise Donald Trump affect these far right groups.

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            • 28. JohorMali2  |  June 18, 2016 at 6:33 am

              Why not start by asking why Muslim immigrants and Muslim communities in these countries are especially singled out for virulent criticism?

              Is it justified or self-inflicted as in these communities refusing to integrate with mainstream societies in their adopted countries, importing their mores and regulations into more secular environments or as in insisting that their religious practices set them apart?

              If Trump does become the US President, all bets are off the table.

              You might as well ask the same question about Duterte in the Philippines. He is seeking a rapprochement with the CCP (the Communist Party of the Philippines), much to the dismay of the Philippines military.

              How is the murder of Jo Cox in the UK related to the massacre committed byOmar Mateen in the US?

              Was Omar influenced by the far right in the US?

              Are you equating ISIS with the far right movements in the UK and Europe?

              That’s a mighty big stretch……..

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              • 29. Mulan  |  June 20, 2016 at 1:54 pm

                “If Trump does become the US President, all bets are off the table.”

                Donald Trump has set a new precedent in politics. Politics of racial honestly. Politics that says it is cool not to be politically correct. Before Trump, if a celebrity says anything racist, religiously insulting or homophobic, the next thing we will all ask for an apology and we will get one.
                With Trump it OK, No kumbayah apology.

                Now to Jo Cox. With Trump, it is OK for anyone to voice your dislike of anyone (whether race, religion etc) and don’t have to be politically correct. If in the past, a British person wants to say anything against immigration, gays etc, he will be asked to shush because it is impolite. With Trump, it is say what you like and even do what you like.

                Jo Cox’s killer shouted Britain First. This means first to native British people. This is a very dangerous precedent. The same kind of mindset of Jo Cox’s killers are also the same of the Nazis.

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                • 30. Helen Ang  |  June 20, 2016 at 2:35 pm

                  re: “The same kind of mindset of Jo Cox’s killers are also the same of the Nazis.”

                  Prior to her murder, Mrs Cox has also been receiving other threats and hate mail from members of the public supporting Brexit.

                  I just want to point out something although I certainly don’t want to jinx the ustaz.

                  Ridhuan Tee too receives threats and hate mail constantly from the Dapster-evangelistas.

                  He may annoy them but he does not issue threats of physical violence, write hate speech (in his columns) and nor does he swear and curse the relatives and family of his critics.

                  Yet the Dapster-evangelistas shamelessly frame themselves as the love crowd, and call him enough nasty names to fill a grain silo.

                  If that’s the kind of people they are, I most certainly don’t want their “thoughts and prayers” or their God bless.

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                  • 31. Kineas1067  |  June 20, 2016 at 9:54 pm

                    Are you equating the late Jo Fox with Ridhuan Tee?

                    That’s a new low, even for you!

                    Go read up on Jo Fox’s life, accomplishments and the causes she championed.

                    Are they even remotely similar to the agendas being propounded by Ridhuan Tee?

                    The honeyed words may be camouflage for other agendas. Just saying.

                    As Singapore Law Minister K Shanmugam said recently at an iftar observance in Singapore, the city-state has “zero tolerance” for hate speech of any kind or for discrimination on any grounds (refer report in the Singapore Straits Times).

                    Wasn’t Ridhuan Tee denied entry to Singapore recently?

                    One wonders why.

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                    • 32. Helen Ang  |  June 20, 2016 at 10:08 pm

                      I don’t know why. Do you? Did the S’pore gomen say?

                      By the same token, Hannah Yeoh was barred from entering Sarawak. It’s more likely she was banned for hate speech.

                      As for the chief proponents of hate, it is doubtless the Dapsters. You can see their handiwork in many of the readers’ section to any controversial article about RT.

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                    • 33. Kineas1067  |  June 21, 2016 at 12:38 pm

                      So, have you now become an apologist for Ridhuan Tee?

                      The Singapore government has clearly expressed it’s stand on “hate speech”. From any quarter, irrespective of race or religion. Or sexual orientation.

                      It’s part of being “secular”, with no “favourites”.

                      Are you privy to why Hannah Y was barred from entering Sarawak? Afaik, the Sarawak state government kept mum on why it did this. Which is their prerogative.

                      But we are talking about the late Jo Cox and the present Ridhuan Tee. Don’t divert the focus elsewhere.

                    • 34. Helen Ang  |  June 21, 2016 at 1:08 pm

                      So, have you now become an apologist for Hannah Yeoh?

                      The Sarawak state government has clearly expressed it’s stand on “hate speech”. From any quarter, irrespective of race or religion.

                      It is part of Sarawak’s power of autonomy on immigration control.

                      Are you privy to why Ridhuan T was barred from entering Sarawak? Afaik, the Singapore government kept mum on why it did this. Which is their prerogative.

                      But we are talking about the late the DAP hate mob. Don’t divert the focus to Sarawak immigration policy.

                    • 35. Kineas1067  |  June 21, 2016 at 2:34 pm

                      Clever, but not good enough.

                      Didn’t you raise the issue of the late Jo Cox and the present and accounted-for Ridhuan Tee?

                      Only to dodge when I asked how you equated the cases of Jo Cox and Ridhuan.

                      You are the one who brought in the issue of Hannah Y being barred from entering Sarawak.

                      Has the Sarawak state government clearly and unequivocally expressed it’s stand on “hate speech” from any quarter and targetted at anybody irrespective of race/religion/gender/sexual orientation?

                      If it has, please provide the relevant references.

                    • 36. Helen Ang  |  June 21, 2016 at 3:12 pm

                      re: “Didn’t you raise the issue of the late Jo Cox and the present and accounted-for Ridhuan Tee? Only to dodge when I asked how you equated the cases of Jo Cox and Ridhuan.”

                      Both are/were victims of death threats and hate mail from the mob who disagreed with their respective views.

                      re: “You are the one who brought in the issue of Hannah Y being barred from entering Sarawak.”

                      I was merely mirroring you who first brought in the issue of Ridhuan T being barred from entering Singapore.

                      re: “Has the Sarawak state government clearly and unequivocally expressed its stand on ‘hate speech’ from any quarter and targetted at anybody irrespective of race/religion/gender/sexual orientation?”

                      The Sarawak government deported the hater Hannah.

                      If it has, please provide the relevant references.

                    • 37. Kineas1067  |  June 21, 2016 at 5:05 pm

                      Yes, references.

                      Where are they?

                      Singapore Law Minister K Shanmugam was explicitly quoted in the Singapore Straits Times. Are you doubting me on this?

                      Was any spokesperson for the Sarawak state government thus quoted explicitly?

                      How do you know that the late Jo Cox received hate mail and death threats? Was it reported in the British media? Was she accorded police protection because of clear and present danger?

                      When she was fatally shot, she was doing her constituency rounds. Without any security detail or police protection.

                      So, what point are you trying to make?

                    • 38. Helen Ang  |  June 21, 2016 at 10:33 pm

                      re: “How do you know that the late Jo Cox received hate mail and death threats? Was it reported in the British media?”

                      Yes. Don’t you know how to use Google?

                      re: “Was she accorded police protection because of clear and present danger?”

                      Haters – like the DAP’s Red Bean Army – are deranged. Should the targets of their verbal threats receive protection from PDRM?

                      http://novandri.blogspot.com/2013/06/terkini-gadis-cina-yang-diugut-rogol.html

                      http://novandri.blogspot.com/2013/07/akhirnya-dap-tunjuk-markas-red-bean-army.html

                    • 39. Kineas1067  |  June 22, 2016 at 1:21 pm

                      Should they “receive protection from PDRM”?

                      Why don’t you tell us if they should.

                      What about Bill Kayong, a senior PKR politician, who was assassinated in Miri yesterday?

                      Was he deliberately targetted by ‘deranged haters’?

                      Care to comment?

  • 40. Kineas1067  |  June 18, 2016 at 3:41 pm

    Read Fareed Zakaria’s commentary “Time for Republicans to say ‘Never Trump'” in the Washington Post (republished in the Singapore Straits Times on June 18, 2016).

    As Fareed wrote, Trump over the 2 days after the Orlando terrorist attack – (a) “called on President Barack Obama to resign and Mrs Hillary Clinton to drop out of the race” (b) “insinuated that the President actually wanted the jihadists to win” (c) “repeated his proposed ban on all Muslims entering the country” (d) “warned American Muslims that they had better cooperate with the authorities”.

    Former US House Speaker Newt Gingrich, one of Trump’s “leading surrogates” went further when he “suggested reviving the House Un-American Activities Committee, infamous for punishing Americans loosely accused of being communists or communist sympathisers”.

    Roger Stone, “Trump’s long-time friend and Republican consultant”, “pointed a finger specifically at Ms Huma Abedin, one of Mrs Clinton’s closest and most longstanding aides and a Muslim American, saying, “We have to ask: Do we have a Saudi spy in our midst? Do we have a terrorist agent?””.

    Fareed also wrote – “the test of a policy for him (Trump) is not its truth content, intelligence, practicality or cost. Rather, it is: Does this scare, excite, enrage, inflame? He has used the Orlando tragedy to stoke fears about immigrants. Because the killer (Omar Mateen) wasn’t actually an immigrant but a Queens-born American, Mr Trump points out that Omar Mateen’s father came to the United States in the 1980s (fleeing the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan). If we are using a time machine to solve international problems, perhaps we should bar Vladimir Lenin from returning to Russia in April 1917, and also Adolf Hitler from slipping into Germany (from Austria) in 1913, thus averting World War I.”

    As Fareed pointed out, George Will (who is by no means a left-wing liberal) has described Trump as “the most anti-conservative presidential aspirant in their party’s (Republicans’) history”.

    And that “a 70-year old megalomaniac whose entire life has been devoted to ceaselessly promoting himself and using any means to tear down others would suddenly develop a deep empathy for the (Republican) party, though so far he has used it solely as a vehicle for his own personal ambitions.”

    A lot of similarities with politics in Malaysia, seems like.

    Like those who point a finger at the “pendatangs” to “stoke fears about immigrants” and who may not be averse to “using a time machine to solve…problems”.

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  • 41. Kineas1067  |  June 22, 2016 at 4:55 pm

    Since the subject of the late Jo Cox was raised, the commentary “Jo Cox and Britain’s place in Europe” (http://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/jo-cox-and-britains-place-in-europe) is relevant reading.

    As the commentary noted, in her maiden speech to the British Parliament, Mrs Cox had declared “that the Yorkshire towns and villages she represented had been “deeply enhanced by immigration, be it of Irish Catholics across the constituency or of Muslims from Gujarat in India or from Pakistan, principally from Kashmir””.

    In that speech, she had also said “we are far more united and have far more in common than things that divide us”.

    As the author of the commentary wrote: “Yes, in politics there is also the question of the company you keep. Those who have called for Britain to quit the EU have been prepared to get into bed with the likes of xenophobic fanatics like Mair. They have countenanced the fabrication of gross slurs about Europe and foreigners to further a campaign to lead Britain out of its neighbourhood….into some fantasyland of bygone glory… This is not the Britain I know.. This is not the Britain whose own union – of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland – has been an exercise in successful mingling. This is not the Britain whose capital, London, is perhaps the world’s greatest city because of the openness that has made it the home to every tongue.”

    “”Jo, get up,” her assistant, Ms Fazila Aswat, pleaded as the politician lay dying. “No, my pain is too much,” she replied, her last words””.

    “Come on, Britain! For Mrs Cox, for her two children, for Ms Aswat, for the proud British history of openly, get up! Get up, shun the hatemongers and vote to remain in the European Union.”

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    • 42. Helen Ang  |  June 22, 2016 at 8:49 pm

      re: “shun the hatemongers and vote to remain in the European Union”

      How typical to demonize the other side.

      On one side of the referendum is ‘Remain’ and on the other side is ‘Leave’. The Brits should be free to make up their mind either way.

      To label the opposing view as “hatemongering” is typical DAP modus operandi.

      The Brits opting to leave EU are merely tryong to recover their country’s sovereignty.

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      • 43. Kineas1067  |  June 23, 2016 at 5:12 pm

        Or to label the opposing view as “dajjal” isn’t hatemongering and is your typical modus operandi?

        Double standards?

        As for “hatemongers” (sic), some would regard them as patriots, nationalists or zealots (take your pick).

        Like the Nigel Farage guy in the UK.

        Or the assorted hangers-on that throng the Trump rallies.

        Or even ISIS/Daesh. But that doesn’t tie in with your pet theories, does it?

        Roger Cohen is free to write what he wants. You can always write in to rebut his views.

        If you feel up to it…..

        Hahaha…..

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        • 44. Helen Ang  |  June 23, 2016 at 5:35 pm

          re: “Or to label the opposing view as ‘dajjal’ isn’t hatemongering and is your typical modus operandi?”

          I do not label the Dapsters’ “views” (operative word) as dajjal. On the contrary, I am convinced that the devil is DAP.

          re: “Double standards?”

          Not at all. Haven’t I made it clear enough that Najib needs to be a war general?

          I don’t posture a promoter of love, peace and harmony. It’s the hypocrites who sing kumbaya from one side of their mouth while from the other side they spit venom — like Annie. Munafiqs are the worst kind.

          re: “As for ‘hatemongers’ (sic), some would regard them as patriots, nationalists or zealots (take your pick).”

          Correct. Perkasa view themselves as patriots.

          I had considered the Isma president a patriot – for supporting the Sedition Act on principle even tho’ he himself was arrested under it – but for my view, I was vilified by the evangelistas.

          re: “Like the Nigel Farage guy in the UK.”

          The new hatemongers are the Melayu DAP.

          re: “Or the assorted hangers-on that throng the Trump rallies.”

          Melayu DAP are the new hangers-on now that DAP is able of distributing largesse.

          re: “Or even ISIS/Daesh. But that doesn’t tie in with your pet theories, does it?”

          Isis kill physically. The Dapster-evangelistas and their new minions, the Melayu DAP, character assassinate.

          re: “Roger Cohen is free to write what he wants. You can always write in to rebut his views.”

          Which views of Roger Cohen?

          re: “If you feel up to it….. Hahaha…..”

          The modus operandi of the Dapster-evangelistas is to harass (name-calling “bitch”, cursing/swearing) while the evangelistas conduct their vile smear campaigns. It was you who said I am teflon-coated, remember?

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          • 45. Kineas1067  |  June 24, 2016 at 8:18 am

            Yup, I did write that you appear to be Teflon-coated.

            Not that it amounts to very much. Neither can it be viewed as a compliment.

            So, by your standards, is Trump a patriot, nationalist or hatemonger?

            Or the guy who assassinated Jo Cox?

            Or the members of ISIS/ISIL/Daesh?

            Please be clear and specific in your reply instead of “Teflon-ing” the issue.

            If you are up to it, that is….

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            • 46. Helen Ang  |  June 24, 2016 at 8:35 am

              re: “Yup, I did write that you appear to be Teflon-coated.”

              :)

              re: “Not that it amounts to very much.”

              On the contrary, Chinese with lesser teflon would have already succumbed to the RBA harassment and evangelista smear campaign. I remain standing among the five percent non-DAP supporters who are willing to fight the Bintang Lima.

              re: “Neither can it be viewed as a compliment.”

              The teflon coating is an attribute that acts as a protective shield against the machinations of the DAP dajjal.

              Repeat after me … The devil is DAP
              ,D

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              • 47. Kineas1067  |  June 24, 2016 at 12:54 pm

                Still ducking & weaving?

                What about answering my questions about Trump, the man who assassinated Jo Cox and ISIS?

                Repeat after me….. Trump, murderer, ISIS….

                And Teflon can be eroded – it’s just a matter of applying the right combination of chemicals.

                Hahaha….

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                • 48. Helen Ang  |  June 24, 2016 at 2:19 pm

                  https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/346463

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                  • 49. Kineas1067  |  June 24, 2016 at 4:53 pm

                    In the Singapore Straits Times (http://www.straitstimes.com): “Malaysia on alert for lone-wolf attacks by ISIS supporters”.

                    In an ISIS propaganda video, a Malaysian ISIS fighter in Syria, Mohd Rafi Udin from Negeri Sembilan, issued a clear threat against the Malaysian police.

                    In a response, Malaysian police counter-terrorism chief Datuk Ayob Khan Mydin Pitchay said that the police were “preparing for potential attacks within six months by two sources, Khatibah Nusantara in the Philippines, and central IS…. Targeted attacks will likely be carried out the minute the pledge of allegiance to IS from these groups outside Syria is accepted and the areas they operate in are declared theirs.”

                    Will you now claim that the ISIS propaganda video is a hoax put together by unknown intelligence agencies?

                    The Malaysian police don’t think so. Hence the responding. challenge from the IGP.

                    Will PAS clearly and unequivocally condemn the ISIS video and the threat expressed therein?

                    Will you?

                    Or will you waffle on about “dajjal” and “hatemongers”?

                    Teflon, remember….

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  • 50. LimBo  |  June 22, 2016 at 9:58 pm

    Dont b fooled by DT la….dulu BHO also same wat…Change…everybody was happy…but then bila dah menang…BAU.
    He is simply marketing himself to win this presidency.
    He must have learnt a lot from Apprentice program on how to be a winnable candidates. Gotta give him credit for that. Audiences like to hear what they want. So be it. Ride to stardo(o)m

    Reply

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