47 thoughts on “If DAP is kafir harbi …

  1. Helen,

    Indeed this is one question people are asking PAS. Why on earth PAS would we a part of government that included DAP which it(PAS) terms as anti islam

    PAS could no longer avoid making decision(meaning out of Selangor government). The longer it delays, the more Malays would feel PAS is hypocrite.

    1. The Pakatan Selangor state government. Unsure if pakatan harapan or pakatan rakyat. Of course DAP & traitor want PAS out but afraid of repercussion of PAS grassroot members. All they can do is give empty threat to Azmin. Hj. Hadi is didn’t help by giving order for PAS exco of Selangor not to quit but to be sacked instead. So state of Selangor Government neither here nor there. A state of limbo indeed.

    2. read somewhere (betul atau tidak), there are about 5,000 serban guys occupying the selangor glcs. sekoq kat penang masih dlm kerajaan negeri. why? periuk nasi.

  2. Semua CINA, kapir Harbi, termasuk MCA, GERAKAN dan AWAK sendiri…………………HEHEHEHE.
    Saya sebenarnya benci orang mengHARBIkan golongan bukan Islam. Ini tandanya, Malaysia akan menghadapi zaman gelap satu hari nanti. Tiada lagi perpaduan dan persahabatan antara penduduknya. Mungkin akan berlaku peristiwa yang lebih buruk daripada 13 Mei. Tak takutkah kamu kita akan jadi seperti Syria, Iraq dan Mesir…………..??????

    1. Cina, lain kali kalau masuk sini pakai nama sendiri. Apa along cari lu ka, sampai masuk sini pun mau pakai nama Melayu??

      1. of course u r not wrong, however i think umno is oso anti islam, they not only claim pas islam is deviated, they even delay the implementation of pas hudud, betul kafir ni umno.

        1. Ask LKS’s new bff Mahathir that question as he was the one who made that statement, not Najib.

        2. Saya bagi satu…

          DAP mahu Melayu benarkan anak-anak Muslim mereka murtad! Itu bertentangan dengan Islam. Itu anti ajaran Islam. Itu cukup antithesis kepada Islam. Itu anti Islam. Boleh ikut, HY?

  3. Harbi ada macam2 harbi .1 harbi guna senjata lawan dgn senjata.2 harbi guna hujah lawan dgn hujah.. 3 harbi lpilihanraya lawan dgn kertas undi. 4 harbi sembang kopitiam lawan dgn air lior je… apa ada hal.Yg penting saling memahami.Non muslim patut memahami apa itu islam disudut ilmu dan amalan nya.jangan cakap tanpa ilmu

    1. Memang betul En Ghani. Bagi Saya pemimpin DAP yang keseluruhannya born-again Christians are dangerous kerana mereka menggunakan berbagai tektik untuk menyebar agama Kristian di kalangan orang Melayu yang rata-rata beragama Islam yang jugs merupakan kaum terbesar di bumi Malaysia. Mereka adalah kafir harbi yang patut di lawan.

      1. Luxury is also an uncurtailed tongue and lashings at persons without being marked, caught or punished. Luxury is also when you can pick and choose your victims.

        Born-again wahhabi tak bahaya ke? ISIS itu menyebar apa dikalangan orang Muslim?

  4. DAP kalau tak mau dilabel kafir harbi, jangan tentang Islam. Senang. Tapi DAP dan lain-lain kafir harbi yang sewaktu dengannya, memang tentang Islam, anti ajaran Islam, anti undang-undang syariah Islam, apa yang tak harbi lagi???

    http://www.bangkit.info/2016/05/kafir-harbi-usaha-untuk-menidakkan.html

    Lagi satu Mufti cakap kafir harbi dan patut ditentang, yang DAP and gangs menghasut tuduh Mufti suruh pergi bunuh tu apa cerita, tak faham bahasa ke? Orang suruh cakap BM tak mau. Tolak. Lepas tu bila dah bodoh, tak faham laras-laras bahasa, lenggok-lenggok bahasa, nuansa, degil, bodoh sombong tetap nak tegakkan benang yang basah! Memang harbi! Kalau macam ni mana dan aman damai, so boleh tengok saja ka???

    http://www.bangkit.info/2016/06/mufti-kata-tentang-bukan-cincang.html

    1. It’s at times like this that investors, MNCs and talent prefer the strong rule of law in other “secular” countries.

      There is considerable bemusement
      how terms like “dajjal” and “kafir harbi” are flung around freely in Malaysia.

      When doing so doesn’t matter one iota in the competition for investments and jobs.

      The learned Mufti in question doesn’t have to worry about the economy, investments and jobs in his state and in the country. That’s the government’s headache.

      But when the investments don’t come in, when the good jobs don’t materialise, who is to be blamed? Who can hold up their hands and say “not us”?

      I think that the learned Mufti wouldn’t have a clue about competitiveness and what makes a modern economy tick. Or who contributes the most to a country’s economy.

      Why would he, when ignorance is bliss?

      1. Ustaz is jst a harmless preacher hailing fr a remote pahang town. compare this to the robust manipulators and traitors who shout overseas and team up wt wsj and the like to tarnish the countey’s image. what greater effect did they stir?

          1. drinho..
            Macam excited saja kamu saman sana sini, mau ikut budaya Teresa Kok ke? Mata duitan sampai RM100m. Poorah.

            Malaysiakini and geng pun last2 pun sekadar “mohon ampun” saja to Khalid. Kasi buang masa saja.

            1. WSJ ada minta maaf kat Najib meh?

              Lagipun, Najib memang ada kes saman dengan Rafizi, harakah, Malaysiakini dan Tony Pua. Apasal tak saman WSJ?

              Tarak telur ka?

          2. And, up to now, there is a great silence on this subject. As too for the Sarawak Report. And the fact that the Xavier Justo case in the Singapore courts seems to be falling apart….

            It’s a pity that the wawe person doesn’t comment on these matters….

            Maybe he’s been “Teflon-ed”….

            Hahaha…

            1. ‘It’s a pity that the wawe person doesn’t comment on these matters….’

              Lu silap blog la. Tipikal ultrakiasu kakis! Apa lagi Cina mahu??!

      2. ‘It’s at times like this that investors, MNCs and talent prefer the strong rule of law in other “secular” countries.’

        Tipu. Kita dah lama ada Syariah. Islamic Finance etc. We are doing just fine. Financial system pun sangat developed. What about MNCs again??

        ‘The learned Mufti in question doesn’t have to worry about the economy, investments and jobs in his state and in the country. That’s the government’s headache.’

        And so do you, stop acting like you are in Gomen.

        1. re: “‘The learned Mufti in question doesn’t have to worry about the economy, investments and jobs in his state and in the country. That’s the government’s headache.” / “And so do you, stop acting like you are in Gomen.”

          Hahaha.

          Kineas should throw his hat into the ring and contest GE14. I propose in the Subang Jaya seat. Then he can walk his talk and dictate policies from within the gomen.

          1. Why should I?

            Why don’t you you take on Hannah Y in her constituency? Walk the talk, see. As you have been so vocal about her and all….

            Or are you “chickening out” from a 1-to-1 contest in the political arena?

        2. And your point is what?

          That MNCs prefer Malaysia over Singapore?

          That in spite of Malaysia having a long-standing Islamic financial system, total AUM (assets under management) is larger in Singapore?

          And how do you define “doing just fine”?

          In terms of credit ratings? Strength of the MYR? Credit ratings? Access to capital markets? Credibility of financial regulators? FDI statistics?

          Shouldn’t be too difficult for someone who proclaimed the “doing just fine” mantra.

          Hahaha…..

      1. Tidak sebegitu. Memang ada ramai asatizah yang lain yang tidak sependapat dengan fatwa mufti Pahang. Gelaran “kafir harbi” adalah sesuatu istilah yang amat berat hukumannya di sisi perundangan syariah. Perbezaan pendapat dan fikiran antara manusia itu lumrah pada tiap2 bidang ilmu, mahupun termasuk usul periksa dalam perundangan Islamiyyah. Melalui mekanisme fatwa2 “Kaum Takfiri” ramai orang2 Muslim telah tersiksa dan terbunuh tanpa haq sebab dituduh sebagai kafir harbi.

        I submit to you an excerpt from “Letter to ISIS’ Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi” section on Differences of Opinion:

        In regards to difference of opinion, there are two kinds: blameworthy and praiseworthy. Regarding blameworthy difference of opinion, God ﷻsays in the Qur’an: ‘And those who were given the Scripture did not become divided, except after the clear proof had come to them.’ (Al-Bayyinah, 98:4). As for praiseworthy difference of opinion, God ﷻsays: “… then God guided those who believed to the truth, regarding which they were in disagreement, by His leave …” (Al-Baqarah , 2: 213).
        This is the opinion expressed by Al-Imam Al-Shafi’i in Al-Risalah, the other three imams and all the scholars for over a thousand years.

        When there is a difference of opinion among eminent scholars, the more merciful, i.e. the best, opinion should be chosen. Severity should be avoided, as should the idea that severity is the measure of piety. Allah ﷻ says: ‘And follow the best of what has been revealed to you from your Lord … ’ (Al-Zumar, 39:55); and: ‘Indulge [people] with forgiveness, and enjoin kindness, and turn away from the ignorant.’ (Al-A’raf, 7:199). God ﷻ also says: ‘Those who listen to the words [of God] and follow the best [sense] of it. Those are the ones whom God has guided; and those, they are the people of understanding.’ (Al-Zumar, 39:18). In an authentic Hadith, it is related that the Lady Aisha said: “Whenever faced by more than once choice, the Prophet ﷺ always chose the easiest one.”

        The more severe opinion should not be considered more pious, religious or sincere to Allah ﷻ. Indeed, in severity there is Exaggeration and Extremism; Allah ﷻsays in the Qur’an: “… Allah desires ease for you, and desires not hardship for you … ” (Al-Baqarah, 2:185). Moreover, the Prophet ﷺ said: “Do not be severe with yourselves lest God be severe towards you. There was a people who were severe with themselves and then God became severe towards them.” There is Delusion and Vanity in Severity, because severe people naturally say to themselves: “I am severe. Anyone less severe than me is deficient”; and thus: “I am superior to them.” Herein lies an inherent attribution of ill-intention to Allah ﷻ, as if Allah ﷻ revealed the Qur’an to make people miserable. God says:
        “Tā Hā. We have not revealed the Qur’an to you that you should be miserable ’. (Ta Ha, 20:1-2).

        It is worth noting that most of the people who became Muslims throughout history, did so through gentle invitation (da’wah hasanah ). God ﷻsays: “Call to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and dispute with them by way of that which is best. Truly your Lord knows best those who stray from His way and He knows best those who are guided.”
        (Al-Nahl, 16:125). The Prophet ﷺ counselled: “Be gentle, and beware of violence and foul language.”

        http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com/
        ———

        The letter is undersigned by numerous notable Islamic scholars including luminaries such as the 19th Grand Mufti of Egypt Sheikh Shawki Ibrahim Abdel-Karim Allam who succeeds Sheikh Ali Gomaa, and Sheikh Hamza Yusuf of Zaytuna College USA, and our leading law expert Prof. Mohammad Hashim Kamali of International Institute of Advanced Islamic Studies, Malaysia.

        Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim

          1. Apa gunanya fatwa jika tidak diwarta? Tanpa perwartaan, fatwa tiada kesahan dan tidak boleh dikuatkuasakan. Adakah sekadar cakap sedap mulut sahaja?

            1. Itu la Mufti sudah jawab maa, ini hal ehwal Islam, sekadar menegur Muslims jangan kerjasama dengan Bukan Muslims yang memusuhi Islam!

              Kecik2 tak mahu belajar, besar2 bodoh, salahkan orang pulak!

              1. Jangan cuba spin sini sana. Kamu tidak dapat menutup kelemahan fatwa yang dikeluarkan mufti tetapi tidak diwartakan. Hakikatnya, fatwa tersebut tidak mempunyai kesan perundangan. Orang Islam tidak perlu mematuhi fatwa yang tidak diwartakan.

  5. I sincerely think that d mufti of Pahang is some how confused n misguided either by personal hatred or just implementing certain hidden agendas.

    by definition, a mufti is a muslim legal expert who is empowered 2 give rulings on religious matters. so by extension using his esteem position 2 comment on current issues based on racial n political lines is definitely ‘offside’.

    nobody wld hv bothered if it was done on his personal capacity.

    in Malaysia more often than not govt posts r being filled immaterial whether d person really has d qualification /experience that is crucial so as 2 b effective.

    according 2 Wikipedia “a mufti will generally go through a course in iftaa, n d person should fulfil d following condition set by scholars in order that he may b able 2 issue verdicts (fatwas) ;-

    1)knowing Arabic
    2)mastering d study of jurisprudence
    3)having sufficient knowledge of social realities
    4)mastering d study of comparative religions
    5)mastering d foundation of social science
    6)mastering d study of maqasid ash-shariah (objective of shariah)
    7)mastering d study of hadiths
    8)mastering legal maxims.

    I don’t honestly feel that d mufti of Pahang has all requirements mentioned above n 4 that matter any mufti in Malaysia. that is d reason we hv majlis fatwa where religious scholars generally discuss n agree b4 n edict is passed.

    so based on d reasons above, my take is that we shld just ignore d statement made by d mufti of Pahang . d palace, d state govt n d majlis fatwa kebangsaan shld come up wth a clear message n if possible stop this unfortunate situation that has created unnecessary anxiety n anxiousness.

    1. Narrated Abu Bakra r.a.:
      “Allah’s Messenger s.a.w. asked this question three times: “Shall I not inform you about the worst of major sins?” We replied, “Yes, O Messenger of Allah!” He said: “To join partners in worship with Allah; to be unfilial to one’s parents.” The Prophet then sat up from his reclining posture and continued: “And I warn you against making forged statements and bearing false witness; I warn you against giving forged statements and bearing false witness.” And the Prophet kept on repeating his warning until we thought he would never stop.”
      [recorded by Bukhari in “Good Manners and Form”]

      In Quran, Al-Hashr verse 18:

      “O you faithful, be conscious of Allah and let every soul consider what it has sent forth for tomorrow, and be careful of your obligations to Allah. Surely Allah is well aware of all that you do. And be not like those who forgot Allah, so He made them forget themselves. Surely they are the transgressors.”

      In Imam As-Suyuti’s book Jami’ al-Jawaami, it is recorded that Hazrat Ali ibn Abi Talib (r.a.) said, “When I took possession (through inheritance) of the weapon of the Messenger of Allah – peace and blessings be upon him – I found in the hilt of the sword a parchment saying, “Maintain relations with those who cut you off, behave well towards those who treat you badly, and speak the truth even if it is against yourself.”

        1. saya adalah insan kerdil yg masih berusaha mempelajari ugama Allah. tauliah adalah kuasa pemberian manusia kpd seseorang yg sebaik2 nya memenuhi ciri2 yg saya senaraikan d atas.

          jika ia nya wahyu drpd Allah swt maka kita wajib menerima nya tanpa was2.

          wallahuaklam.

          1. habis tu belajar solat camne, tunggu wahyu dulu ker?? Insan kerdil yang tak dapat ‘wahyu’ posa, tak payah posa la agaknya??

            1. islam 1st,
              kita tahu bahawa hanya Nabi sahaja yg mendpt wahyu.

              saya minta sdr(sdr)i faham komen saya seacara menyeluruh. pendapt mufti tersebut sungguh pun mungkin berniat baik, namun ia nya bukan wahyu n banyak membawa kpd kekeliruan. itu lah sebab nya saya sarankan agar pihak berkuasa n berwajib tampil memberi pencerahan.

              kalau setiap mufti/peg agama utama negeri bebas memberi pendapat/fatwa yg kadangkala tidak konsisten d antara satu sama, maka akibat nya terpalit juga pd agama Allah yg mulia serta suci ini.

              wallahuaklam.

        2. Saudara,
          Saya fikir kamu adalah seorang muslim yang rajin berdepan untuk membela sesuatu yang kamu anggap sebagai kebenaran. Maka, tidak patutkah kita memerhatikan dalil2 daripada Al-Quran dan hadith Rasulullah s.a.w.? Sesungguhnya bukan niat saya untuk mendahului sesiapapun, memang tidak layak aku. Sebenarnya aku mengharapkan tuan mufti atau ahli2 yang berilmu supaya mereka datang membahaskan pendirian yang telah mereka mengumumkan kepada masyarakat berdasarkan dalil aqli dan dalil naqli. Ini sebagaimana yang ada pada khutbah JAKIM mengenai kedudukan orang yang bukan beragama Islam. Sila periksa hujjahnya:

          http://jkim.islam.gov.my/en/khutbah-online/kafir-dzimmi-dan-kafir-harbi

  6. 38 people were killed in a suicide attack at Istanbul’s Ataturk Airport.

    The Turkish government has said that it believes that IS was behind the attack.

    Erdogan said, according to reports, that the attack was meant to undermine Turkey.

    He said that the Turkish government would give no quarter in fighting terrorism.

    This is “peace and harmony”? By killing innocent people?

    Will there be an unequivocal condemnation of this attack?

    What do you say, Helen?

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