Isis threatens second attack on Chinese target

July 9, 2016 at 6:36 am 153 comments

The first attack was on the Movida nightclub in Puchong, Selangor on June 28.

Should there be another public insult by the Chinese against Islam, “we will launch a second terror attack,” warned Isis militant Abu Hamzah Al-fateh.

ISIS strike MMO

In his Facebook-Messenger interview with Oriental Daily News, Abu Hamzah asked the publication to advise Malaysian Chinese to refrain from provoking Islam.

Abu Hamzah is the nom de guerre of Muhammad Wanndy Mohamed Jedi, a Malay from Malacca.

“We will launch a second terror attack. You tell the IGP that we are not joking,” he said to Oriental Daily — see report in Press Digest (The Sun Daily, 5 July 2016).

Abu Hamzah Isis

Police reports against evangelista MP 

Muslim NGOs yesterday lodged police reports against YB David Nga Kor Ming of the DAP over his taunting and baiting in Facebook.

Keris sec-general Azman Hassan complained that Nga had insulted the practice of giving duit raya.

Meanwhile Hannah Yeoh seems to think that in the matter of curbing Islamic fanaticism, our religious authorities have gotten hold of the wrong end of the stick in “making threats against the liberals” instead.

Hannah Yeoh Twitter fanaticism

The DAP evangelistas, who are themselves Christian fanatics, like to endlessly provoke. It is obvious that Isis feels provoked by these people.

They are master practitioners of Orwellian doublespeak, i.e. preaching one thing and doing the complete opposite. For example, they preach peace and harmony but they’re really experts at demeaning other religions.

BELOW: Nga’s Aidil Fitri message in FB features a lighthouse which resembles a mosque minaret against the backdrop of the Stars and Stripes

david nga kor ming lighthouse

DAP is the Dangerous Action Party.

“Get rid of fanatics Christian in DAP, then Malaysia will be safe.” Huan Cheng Guan, Parti Cinta Malaysia vice-president

Malay Mail Online asst news editor Boo Su-Lyn yesterday wrote:

“Malaysian Islamic State (IS) member Muhammad Wanndy Mohamed Jedi, also known as Abu Hamzah al-Fateh ― who is believed to have been behind the grenade attack on a club in Puchong, giving the orders from Syria ― reportedly warned the Chinese not to insult Islam.

“He even had the nerve to say that IS would take action if there was another insult to Islam akin to the ones made by former sex blogger Alvin Tan, acting as if the terrorist group is the guardian of Islam when they are completely antithetical to the religious teachings that preach good.”

Ms Boo appears to be in denial. If Isis has the nerve to say that they would take action, then it is most likely that they would.

When Isis threaten the Chinese, they will target Chinese locale

Boo Su-Lyn also wrote:

“We must show IS that their actions are completely unacceptable, that they have absolutely no justification to threaten more attacks on the basis of ‘insults’ to Islam.

“We must show them that when they threaten the Chinese, they are threatening all Malaysians across race and religion.”

Again, Boo is being biased.

A lot of Malaysian Muslims believe that the actions of the DAP evangelistas too are “completely unacceptable”, to the extent that the religious provocation caused police reports to be made.

Rather than Boo indulging in prejudice – “murdering people who don’t share your beliefs”/”they have absolutely no justification” (does she mean that ‘murderous’ Malays are merely imagining the insult?) – why can’t DAP evangelistas just desist from gratuitously offending Muslims?

The devil is DAP

Boo Su-Lyn also wrote:

“We must show them [Isis] that when they threaten the Chinese, they are threatening all Malaysians across race and religion.

“The way to respond to so-called insults to religion is not through violence, but through rational discussion and debate.”

Boo is wrong again.

The time for pacifism is over because DAP evangelistas are incapable of “rational discussion and debate”. They’re actually quite deranged.

Since when have demented people ever been receptive to common sense?

So when Isis make their threat, they are not “threatening all Malaysians across race and religion” (as claimed by Ms Boo) but specifically targeting Chinese. The offensive DAP evangelistas are, most unfortunately, all mainly Chinese.

In her parting shot, Boo wrote:

“Our entire worldview must be radically different from theirs to show Muhammad Wanndy that IS is not everywhere in Malaysia.

“When we treat people of other faiths with respect, tolerate criticism and insults, and show kindness to those who are different from us, then IS would have lost not just the battle, but the war.”

In effect, Boo is saying above that when Muslims are willing to “tolerate criticism and insults” to their religion, then Isis would have lost the war.

Her masochistic prescription is not the kind of bitter medicine that any god-fearing Malaysian Muslim would want to swallow. And nor would Muslims care either to upend their “entire worldview [so as to] be radically different” just to please the liberals and the Christians.

Remember the Quran’s surah al-Baqarah, verse 120.

In fact, Boo’s exhortation will have the opposite effect. Not only will Isis be spurred to defy her presumption but Isis will gain even more tacit support from non-combatants and the silent majority.

DAP and Ms Boo’s ilk are kindle to the Isis fire. When Isis strikes again, police must look into the DAP connection as one of the catalysts for their attack.

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  • 1. shamshul anuar  |  July 9, 2016 at 7:18 am

    Helen,

    YOu said it all. DAP and those worshipping it live in denial. It is clear that the DAP MP of Taiping insulted the Malays. He chided the practice of giving “duit raya” to children during Hari Raya .

    As who’s who in DAP are hostile to Malay community,Islam, UMNO, they as usual could not be bothered to correct or reprimand that rude MP. They want us to think that the insult is directed to Najib. But the insult is felt by entire Muslim community.

    Those in DAP and I must say majority of Chinese refuse to accept reality that Malays in general are upset at the insult.

    And it happens many many times. Remember Alvin the porn pervert who mocked Islam by inviting Muslims to “buka puasa” with pork. And who can forget Teresa Kok mocked a Muslim leader(Najib) during Hari Raya greeting last year.

    As Chinese in general do not want to appreciate the generosity and sensitivities of Muslims, they are unable to understand that DAP is playing with dangerous racial and religious matter. Therefore, they are unable to understand why Malays are sceptical of DAP.

    They wonder why Malays in general shy away from PAN.They simply cant see that Malays view PAN as nothing more that “anjing DAP’. They do not understand that though Malays have issue with Najib, they(malays) are still angry when Najib’s photo was stomped during BERSIH.

    They still wonder why majority of Sarawakians dumped DAP. They cant see that majority of voters see DAP as ruthless, rude, arrogant. They cant see that what DAP is doing is effectively bringing Malays closer to UMNO.

    They are unable to see that actually Malays agree with what the MUfti of Pahang said, And the Mufti said the truth.

    As for the Chinese, what is so democratic about DAP. It is a political party based on a dynasty. And why cant the top post be elected just like the post of UMNO Presidency. Why the hush hush behind closed doors and matters decided by the winning CEC members only.

    With due respect, I believe majority of Chinese overstate their importance by allowing DAP to control them..Last election result shows despite entire Chinese community rejecting BN(meaning UMNO), UMNO still prevails.

    It is a tragedy that a community noted and pride itself for business acumen is willing to be a pawn by DAP.

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    • 2. HY  |  July 9, 2016 at 11:23 am

      i still prefer dap compare to that useless mca.

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      • 3. islam1st  |  July 9, 2016 at 5:28 pm

        haiya, burung sama bulu maa!

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        • 4. What Is This  |  July 9, 2016 at 7:21 pm

          tak payah cakap banyak sangat, beritahu puaka kat atas tu buang pasport dia kalau dia sokong b*****t dap.

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          • 5. HY  |  July 10, 2016 at 1:11 pm

            y support dap kena buang passport? i dun keep my asset in overseas, i am not ever ready to move to any other places unlike those coward that run away from china, i am not reside in england, australia or singapore n write shit abt malaysian as if they have more stake than me, my saving is all deposited in public bank, not even a foreign bank. or u dun agree with me mca is useless? the only good thing of mca is perhaps they r not as corrupted as umno.

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    • 6. March Hare  |  July 9, 2016 at 12:06 pm

      Ok, Muhammed consummated his marriage with Aisha when she was 9. Is that an insult?

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      • 7. Helen Ang  |  July 9, 2016 at 12:25 pm

        You people keep wanting to pick a fight with Islam.

        I don’t believe in the Virgin Birth but I don’t have to keep blogging to fight with this or other Christian doctrine I disbelieve in.

        I’m also aware of the scandal of the RC clergy wrt pedophilia but you don’t see me constantly picking at that scab.

        The difference is our approach. Your lot despise and want to demean Islam always.

        I don’t diss the (Christian) God, Jesus, Mother Mary, Christmas, Easter or the Pope. Unlike you all and what you say about the Prophet.

        Bear in mind that my topics are specific to local/regional people of our time who have a direct bearing on our socio-politics,

        i.e. the corrupt City Harvest pastors who have been jailed by Singapore, the self-gratifying lay pastors of Jerusubang who are greedy and power hungry, the Occupy Masjid campaign, the RM2 evangelical churches and their provocative founders (that Perkasa wants ISA-ed) …

        You’re different. You’re just anti-Islam.

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        • 8. March Hare  |  July 9, 2016 at 12:31 pm

          I’m just asking what constitute as an insult. You want to convert us to islam right? So what is wrong is with asking questions about the product before buying.

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          • 9. Helen Ang  |  July 9, 2016 at 1:17 pm

            The Chinese have been here close to 150 years. Our conversion to Islam has not been significant (not en masse.)

            At this point, we (non-Muslims) still have the option to live and let live.

            What the evangelistas are doing, however, is to stir the hornet’s nest by continually challenging – not just in the political arena but in the religious sphere as well (my God is more merciful than your god, my God is more loving, etc) on top of badmouthing the rival faith.

            There will be consequences from the behaviour of these evangelistas despite that in the past, mainline Christians have not violently clashed with the Muslim majority.

            The actions of the evangelical flock benefit no one but their 3G leaders.

            It is self-destructive for other Chinese (Buddhists, Taoists, Confucianists, traditional Christians) to support the deviant Christian cult that is wreaking havoc.

            By becoming Cina DAP, the wayward community is merely destroying the future of their children in Malaysia so that the only Hannah Yeohs reap the Gold and the self-Glory.

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            • 10. Helen Ang  |  July 9, 2016 at 1:20 pm

              POSTSCRIPT

              re: so that the only Hannah Yeohs (and David Nga Kor Mings & other DAP evangelista YBs) reap the Gold , self-Glory and ‘cheap’ real estate

              BELOW:
              David Nga’s house … looks like no swimming pool either but dunno about its feng shui

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              • 11. islam1st  |  July 9, 2016 at 5:33 pm

                Definitely bad feng shui. You think an honest Cina like him, can bought a house that big meh?? Apa lia kerja lagi Helen??

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                • 12. Helen Ang  |  July 9, 2016 at 6:12 pm

                  Tauke balak, kot.

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                  • 13. islam1st  |  July 9, 2016 at 6:14 pm

                    Macam mana one honest lawyer boleh jadi tauke balak?

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                  • 14. What Is This  |  July 9, 2016 at 7:23 pm

                    tauke balak ? habis tu dia ingat dia boleh buat apa saja ?

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          • 15. wawe  |  July 9, 2016 at 1:52 pm

            Like when we call you babi or kafir harbi. Are they not insults? you want more examples, like pendatang, etc?

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            • 16. Mulan  |  July 9, 2016 at 3:01 pm

              Don’t tell me huan nar, kaylengar, 巫人,鬼人, 猪哥etc are not insulting. Almost every race on earth has been subjected to insults.

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              • 17. Helen Ang  |  July 9, 2016 at 3:54 pm

                I’ve always been under the impression that the word ‘kelinga’ derives from the name of the great Indian empire Kalinga.

                It shouldn’t be derogatory.

                Like ‘teng lang’ meaning people associated with the Tang dynasty.

                Or Saudis, people in the country ruled by the house of Saud.

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            • 18. Mulan  |  July 9, 2016 at 3:05 pm

              Here. The meaning of Huanna

              Huanna
              Hàn-jī 番仔
              Pe̍h-ōe-jī Hoan-á
              Tâi-lô Huan-á
              Huan-a (Chinese: 番仔; Pe̍h-ōe-jī: hoan-á) is a Hokkien word which means foreigner. 番 means ‘foreign’, and 仔 is a Hokkien noun suffix. This phrase is commonly perceived as derogatory by most non-Chinese speakers. Chinese Indonesians, Chinese Singaporeans, Chinese Filipinos and Chinese Malaysians use this word to refer to non-Chinese Southeast Asians.[1] During the Japanese occupation of Taiwan, the Japanese were called huan-a by Native Taiwanese, with geisha called hoan-á-ke (番仔雞, lit. “foreign chicken”) and the wives of Japanese men called hoan-á-chiú-kan (番仔酒矸, lit. “foreign liquor bottle”).[2] Huan-a is now commonly used in Taiwan to refer to indigenous peoples (the Taiwanese aborigines).[3] In Penang, huan-a are used to refer to Malays, whereas ang moh refers to Europeans and Kling na (吉零仔) refer to Tamils.[4]

              Back days, the term is used by Han Chinese to refer Mongolians invaders. Basically Huanna connotes “barbaric foreigner”.

              Similarly, the word fan-kui (Chinese: 番瞶; pinyin: fānguì) is a Mandarin Chinese word which means dark foreigner. 瞶 means ‘dim’ or ‘dark’. This phrase is used by Chinese Indonesians to imply Indonesians due to their dark skin color[citation needed]. Indonesians consider this phrase to be rude and racist.
              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huanna

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              • 19. kampong lad  |  July 9, 2016 at 11:40 pm

                huanna – i think it depends of the pronunciation. in this context the word simply means native. red indians are huannas (aborigines of australia) of north america. and Helen is correct, keling defines the people from kelinga empire.

                wrt teng lang, i suspect orang2 china dah sampai ke nusantara semasa era tang dynasty.

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              • 20. HY  |  July 10, 2016 at 12:57 pm

                understand the context, regardless what word is used. my dear nyonya. when i was young, it is common to refer orang asli as shan fan (山番), but never in derogatory manner.

                i oso a bit curious wrt tang ren, it is only commonly use among cantonese, does hokkien n hakka (in msia) say tang ren tang shan? i am not too sure.

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                • 21. Mulan Malaysia  |  July 10, 2016 at 6:01 pm

                  HY
                  Since I am a nyonya and to you not very Chinese, I need you to advice on some Chinese rules
                  a. If the sampah collector asks me for an ang pow, should I give or not? Is this some form of corruption because I already paid my MBPP bills?
                  b. Can good Chinese Christians partake in mooncake festival?
                  c. Is it OK to sit in a dragon boat?

                  I am sending this to you because you are wise and it takes a long time to write to YB David or even Pastor Dobson… kan mereka very busy.

                  1st and RINA kana baca advice HY… nanti tersasul dan but benda yang tak baik… orang marah tau.

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                  • 22. HY  |  July 10, 2016 at 7:33 pm

                    what chinese rule? apa la u. tanya tu christian, not me. i give ang pow to my neighbor kid, be it chinese or non, sampah collector, security guard, even waiter / waitress or anyone that did a decent job. my sis in law a melaka nyonya, a methodist, she n her family do all the thing u mentioned. my cousin oso a christian, (what cult I dun know), assunta cum bangsar, not willing to wear mourning cloth or joss stick or anything chinese (麻衣戴孝烧香等等), so who is more chinese?

                    u 3 always wan to sound cynical, but pardon my not so smart brain, i sometimes cant differentiate cynical n stupidity n my reply could be a bit out, sorry ah wakaka.

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          • 23. Melayu Malaysia  |  July 10, 2016 at 12:29 am

            “You want to convert us to islam right? ”

            No body is asking or forcing you to Islam. Islam will come to you via enlightenment. And that belongs to The Creator.

            Islam does not ask its followers to criticize other beliefs. Question is, Why is Islam be scrutinized to its minutest element. And if you only find fault and wrongs, then don’t become one. In Malaysia, they don’t shoot you for not being a Muslim

            In this context, consider yourself blinded by your own bloated ego when there is overwhelming evidence all around you. If you still can’t see, then move on to whatever your are interested and which will give you spiritual contentment.

            Do not judge/provoke with one sentence when an ocean full of knowledge is right in front of you. Why don’t you look it up further and satisfy yourself before teasing the Muslims at large. Or are you too lazy to do that.

            Muslims may appear stupid to many out there but overall, we generally follow the first revelation which require of us to “Read!! Read in the name of Your Creator… and the reason why many of us prefer to play down instead of being confrontational…

            Too many people comments with little knowledge of the subject matter, picking bits and pieces, here and there….

            Often the truth hurts, but it needs to be told

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            • 24. March Hare  |  July 10, 2016 at 12:11 pm

              I am reading. And I am taking things as a whole. The Al-Quran and the hadiths are inseparable because the hadiths provide the basis for the Sunnah. Correct?

              The Sahih al-Bukhari along with Sahih Muslim are deemed the most authentic(sahih) of all hadiths by Islamic Scholars.

              So when I come here with questions you say I am insulting you. How can I insult with something that is from Sahih al-Bukhari?

              Do you want me to be a muslim first before reading the Al-Quran and hadiths? I thought it is the other way around

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              • 25. HY  |  July 10, 2016 at 12:59 pm

                i think u better stop, they might bomb us again.

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              • 26. islam1st  |  July 10, 2016 at 5:51 pm

                ‘Do you want me to be a muslim first before reading the Al-Quran and hadiths? I thought it is the other way around’

                Its ok. Tak payah ribut. By the look if it, Islam is not for you!. Jangan kecoh2. Jgn kepoci!

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                • 27. March Hare  |  July 10, 2016 at 6:24 pm

                  Who are you to decide who can and cannot be a muslim? You don’t speak for islam.

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        • 28. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 9, 2016 at 11:06 pm

          beg yr pardon ms Helen. muslims believe in d virgin birth of Jesus . there is a whole chapter in d holy Koran dedicated 2 Mother mary.

          just 2 share this info wth u. thanks.

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        • 29. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 10, 2016 at 11:20 pm

          ms helen,

          as a matter of interest, what makes u disbelieve in d virgin birth of Jesus (Isa as) ?

          Muslims hv got no hesitation in accepting it .

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          • 30. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2016 at 11:48 pm

            It’s against the law of biology.

            Muslims do not accept that Jesus is the son of God because Allah does not beget and nor is He begotten.

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            • 31. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 11, 2016 at 12:36 am

              u must b n agnostic or n atheist then. well that is perfectly ok.

              Muslims hv got no hesitation in accepting His virgin birth as well as His many miracles as God Almighty has commanded thru d holy Koran 4 muslims to believe.

              Apart from d concept of trinity n His divinity, Muslims n Christians hv a lot in common due 2 itheir common roots.

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            • 32. Setem  |  July 11, 2016 at 1:22 pm

              Helen – Biologists have discovered that some species (like fish and frogs) could reproduce in a same sex environment.

              So, what’s your interpretation of “law of biology”?

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              • 33. Helen Ang  |  July 11, 2016 at 1:36 pm

                Mary mother of Jesus was not a fish or a frog.

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                • 34. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 11, 2016 at 2:29 pm

                  my sincere advice 2 u ms Helen is 2 refrain from extolling yr logic.
                  u may hv consciously or inadvertently created concerns amongst d Christians evangelists thru yr constant vitriolic.

                  if u r not careful, u may b hurting d feelings of muslims 4 expressing yr thoughts which r contrary 2 their beliefs.

                  If God Almighty can create Prophet Adam from dust, presenting His creation thru a virgin birth is nothing. When HE says BE n it is. ‘kun fayakun’

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                  • 35. Helen Ang  |  July 11, 2016 at 2:48 pm

                    You were the one who asked me the question — see conversation thread above. And when I answer honestly, you find fault.

                    If you don’t want to know my opinion, then don’t ask.

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                    • 36. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 11, 2016 at 5:17 pm

                      on d 9th of july this is what u wrote n I quote :-

                      “I don’t believe in d virgin birth but I don’t hv 2 keep blogging 2 fight wth this or other Christian doctrine I disbelieve in”

                      well 4 yr info d virgin birth of Isa (Jesus) is definitely part of d Islamic doctrine/beliefs spelled out very clearly in d Holy Koran.

                      may I suggest that u read d translation of d chapter entitled Mariam (Mary) in d holy Koran. Almighty GOD thru His angel Gabriel beautifully conveyed d message wth clarity n rationality. it can make u shed tears if internalized wth sincerity.

                      based on yr stand n by extension can I deduce that d Holy Koran may b fraudulent n d muslims r delusional n misguided?

                      I m just reminding u that making yr position public like most modern day Christians abt d virgin birth of Jesus, may alienate u from d ummah as a whole .

                      some lunatics n Muslim NGOS may even make a police report on yr public statement which can b construed as insulting d authenticity of d Holy Koran which we affirm as d verbatim word of GOD Almighty.

                      God forbid.

                    • 37. Helen Ang  |  July 11, 2016 at 7:01 pm

                      If I believed what you or the Christians believe, then I would be a Muslim or a Christian.

                      Since I don’t believe, then it merely squares with my religious status as a non-Muslim/non-Christian.

                      To you, your belief and to me, mine.

                      I’m not forcing anyone to disbelieve in the Virgin Birth, and we still have freedom of religion in Malaysia so that you can’t force or threaten me with police report/repercussions for not believing what you believe.

                • 38. Setem  |  July 11, 2016 at 5:31 pm

                  But biology study include fish and frog also.

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              • 39. Formerly known as FHAAHD  |  July 11, 2016 at 7:16 pm

                “If I believed what you or the Christians believe, then I would be a Muslim or a Christian.”

                Then why do you constantly quote the Quran to back up your attacks on the evangelicals? It’s a bit hypocritical of you to do so when you obviously don’t rate the book that you are quoting from.

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                • 40. Helen Ang  |  July 11, 2016 at 9:22 pm

                  re: “Then why do you constantly quote the Quran to back up your attacks on the evangelicals?”

                  I usually quote one particular verse, i.e. 2:120 (surah Al-Baqarah). Allah warns His ummah about Christians who try to mislead them.

                  Jakim, Jais and other Islamic agencies/scholars discussing the scenario in Malaysia often quote this verse too.

                  re: “It’s a bit hypocritical of you to do so …”

                  I believe 2:120 applies to the charade perpetrated by Hannah Yeoh and Ong Kian Ming. It is up to the individuals who are guided by the Quran to appraise the veracity of the verse as it applies to the DAP evangelistas.

                  re: “when you obviously don’t rate the book that you are quoting from”

                  I believe with perfect conviction that Annie Anakin is destined for the Lake of Fire – as prescribed in the Quran – because he is a congenital liar and slanderer.

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            • 41. metabalance  |  July 11, 2016 at 4:16 pm

              Muslims also do not believe that Allah is restricted by the law of biology. He creates what He pleases. If He can originate the universe, creating Adam from dust and Jesus from a virgin mother would be like a child play, wouldn’t it?

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      • 42. shamshul anuar  |  July 9, 2016 at 12:29 pm

        March hare,

        So, are you saying it is justified to insult Islam, Malays, Muslims just because Prophet Muhammad SAW married Lady Aishah when the latter was just 9 year old girl.

        If the logic is accepted, will that be OK if i insult Indians simply because 100 years ago, burning a grieving widow was a culture.

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        • 43. March Hare  |  July 9, 2016 at 1:36 pm

          He married Aisha at 6 and consummated their marriage when she was 9 according to Sahih Bukhari.

          I’m not trying to insult you, just asking questions. But do you take it as an insult?

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          • 44. Alvin Alfred  |  July 9, 2016 at 7:25 pm

            1400 years ago, when a girl attains puberty and child bearing ( 9 years of age in this case ), she is no longer considered a child. Pedophilia is a recent legal concept in view of numerous social and criminal implications associated with children, not girls alone today. Therefore, your attempt at logical comparisins crumples.

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          • 45. Alvin Alfred  |  July 9, 2016 at 7:30 pm

            1400 years ago, one a girl attains puberty and child bearing in this case Aisha being nine years of age, she is no longer considered a child therefore, pedophilia, a recent legal term to protect girls from criminal abuses today, is not applicable.

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          • 46. shamshul anuar  |  July 9, 2016 at 9:08 pm

            march hare,

            No.

            My question to you is that are you going to say that what the useless DAP politician is justified simply because of the marriage of Prophet to Lady aishah

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            • 47. March Hare  |  July 9, 2016 at 10:51 pm

              Huh? What does the DAP have to do with the marriage of Prophet to Lady Aishah

              I’m talking about what is written in the Sahih al-Bukhari.

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              • 48. July' Dog  |  July 10, 2016 at 1:27 am

                Stop barking up the wrong tree guys! Lady Aishah was nurtured into the first lady professor of the people, in the entire course of human history perhaps ……. any contentions?

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      • 49. kampong lad  |  July 9, 2016 at 11:28 pm

        according to bukhari eh? do you know who was he? how do you know the hadith collected were personally written by him? now, let’s see what chapter 4 verse 6 of alquran says;

        And try orphans (as regards their intelligence) until they reach the age of marriage (khan)
        And test the orphans until they reach the age of marriage (maulana)
        Prove orphans till they reach the marriageable age (pickthal)
        You shall test the orphans when they reach puberty.(rashad)
        And test the orphans until they attain puberty; then if you find in them maturity of intellect, (shakir)
        And test the understanding of orphans until they attain the age of marriage (sherali)

        so aisya (abu bakar’s daughter) was married at 6 & consummated at 9?

        here is another hadith from the persian;

        Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said, “(The Prophet) Moses was a shy person and used to cover his body completely because of his extensive shyness. One of the children of Israel hurt him by saying, ‘He covers his body in this way only because of some defect in his skin, either leprosy or scrotal hernia, or he has some other defect.’ Allah wished to clear Moses of what they said about him, so one day while Moses was in seclusion, he took off his clothes and put them on a stone and started taking a bath. When he had finished the bath, he moved towards his clothes so as to take them, but the stone took his clothes and fled; Moses picked up his stick and ran after the stone saying, ‘O stone! Give me my garment!’ Till he reached a group of Bani Israel who saw him naked then, and found him the best of what Allah had created, and Allah cleared him of what they had accused him of. The stone stopped there and Moses took and put his garment on and started hitting the stone with his stick. By Allah, the stone still has some traces of the hitting, three, four or five marks.

        so, do you believe that moses spoke to the stone & then hit it?

        now is my turn to ask;

        matthew 5.17 – do not think that i have come to abolish the law of the prophets, i have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

        if jesus was god, why follow prophets’ law. buat hukum sendiri.

        john 14.6 – jesus said unto him, i am the way, the truth and the life: no man cometh unto the father , except thru me.

        again, if jesus was god (or claimed to be god), why did he not say clearly & precisely to that effect -‘i am your god, worship me’

        care to enlighten me?

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        • 50. Chris  |  July 10, 2016 at 9:31 am

          I wouldn’t presume to speak on behalf of anyone. I hope that we all arrive at some enlightenment about Matthew 5:17. And I suspect that many who are embroiled in political polemics really know little about Jesus’ teachings as well.

          Yes, Jesus did not come to abolish the binding covenant of the Ten Commandments of Moses. He deemed to return men to a spiritual fulfillment of that covenant with Yahweh. Jesus is the Messiah of Lord God on High.

          The Pharisee rabbis had corrupted the spiritual purpose of the Law, and were in cahoots with evil King Herod who was propped up by Roman imperialism. The Jewish people were disparate and God’s religion had been hijacked by the political ambitions of several mighty mortals.

          Please bear with me; we will have to read the entire 11th and 12th chapter of Mark, and I quote from The Complete Jewish Bible:

          1. As they were approaching Yerushalayim (Jerusalem), near Beit-Pagei (Bethphage) and Beit-Anyah (Bethany), by the Mount of Olives, Yeshua (Jesus) sent two of his talmidim (disciples) 2. with these instructions: “Go into the village ahead of you; and as soon as you enter it, you will find a colt (young male horse) tied there that has never been ridden. Untie it, and bring it here. 3. If anyone asks you, `Why are you doing this?’ tell him, ‘The Lord needs it,’ and he will send it here right away.” 4 They went off and found a colt in the street tied in a doorway, and they untied it. 5 The bystanders said to them, “What are you doing, untying that colt?” 6. They gave the answer Yeshua had told them to give, and they let them continue. 7. They brought the colt to Yeshua and threw their robes on it, and he sat on it.
          8. Many people carpeted the road with their clothing, while others spread out green branches which they had cut in the fields. 9. Those who were ahead and those behind shouted, “Please! Deliver us!” “Blessed is he who comes in the name of ADONAI (Yahweh Lord God)!” 10. “Blessed is the coming kingdom of our father David!” and, “You in the highest heaven! Please! Deliver us!” 11. Yeshua (Jesus) entered Yerushalayim, went into the Temple courts and took a good look at everything; but since it was now late, he went out with the Twelve (Disciples) to Beit-Anyah. [This is Jesus the Saviour’s triumphal entry into Roman Jerusalem celebrated today as Palm Sunday]

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        • 51. Chris  |  July 10, 2016 at 10:03 am

          12. The next day, as they came back from Beit-Anyah (the hometown of Jesus’s friend Lazarus whom the Messiah would later raise from the dead), he felt hungry. 13. Spotting in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to see if he could find anything on it. When he came up to it, he found nothing but leaves; for it wasn’t fig season.14 He said to it, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again!” And his talmidim heard what he said.

          15. On reaching Yerushalayim, he entered the Temple courtyard and began chasing out those who were carrying on business there, both the merchants and their customers. He also knocked over the desks of the money-changers, upset the benches of the pigeon-dealers,16. and refused to let anyone carry merchandise through the Temple courtyards. 17. Then, as he taught them, he said, “Isn’t it written in the Tanakh (Jewish scriptures), ‘My house will be called a house of prayer for all the Goyimp (Gentiles)’ But you have made it into a den of robbers!”
          [All the non-jewish nations should by right know that Judaism is from God on High but the Jews had desecrated their own houses of worship with lowly preoccupations]

          18 The head cohanim (scribe) and the Torah-teachers (chief priests) heard what he said and tried to find a way to do away with him; they were afraid of him, because the crowds were utterly taken by his teaching.
          [The Pharisees were behaving like lords, holier-than-thou above the common Jews]

          19 When evening came, they (Jesus and his disciples) left the city. 20 In the morning, as the talmidim passed by, they saw the fig tree withered all the way to its roots. 21 Kefa (Peter) remembered and said to Yeshua, “Rabbi! Look! The fig tree that you cursed has dried up!” 22. He responded, “Have the kind of trust that comes from God! 23. Yes! I tell you that whoever does not doubt in his heart but trusts that what he says will happen can say to this mountain, ‘Go and throw yourself into the sea!’ and it will be done for him. 24. Therefore, I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, trust that you are receiving it, and it will be yours. 25 And when you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him; so that your Father in heaven may also forgive your offenses.”
          (Some manuscripts include verse 26): “But if you do not forgive, your Father in heaven will not forgive your offenses.”

          [Jesus, I feel, was presaging the end of tyrannical King Herod and his Pharisees, who were like “trees that bear no fruit nor goodness”]

          27. They went back into Yerushalayim; and as he was walking in the Temple courts, there came to him the head cohanim (Scribe), the Torah-teachers (Chief rabbis) and the (community) elders;
          28 and they said to him, “What s’mikhah (divine sanction) do you have that authorizes you to do these things? Who gave you this s’mikhah authorizing you to do them (that is, cleanse the temple of worldly transactions)?”
          29. Yeshua said to them, “I will ask you just one question: answer me, and I will tell you by what s’mikhah I do these things.
          30 The immersion of Yochanan (the water baptismal rituals of John the Baptist) was it from Heaven or from a human source? Answer me.” 31 They (the Pharisees) discussed it among themselves: “If we say, ‘From Heaven,’ he will say, ‘Then why didn’t you believe him?’
          [because King Herod the Tyrant had condemned and beheaded John the Baptist]
          32. But if we say, ‘From a human source, . . . ‘” – they were afraid of the people, for they all regarded Yochanan (John the Baptist) as a genuine prophet. 33 So they (the Pharisees) answered Yeshua, “We don’t know.” “Then,” he (Jesus the Messiah) replied, “I won’t tell you by what s’mikhah (divine sanction) I do these things.”

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        • 52. Chris  |  July 10, 2016 at 1:25 pm

          Now, Mark chapter 12:

          1 Yeshua (Jesus) began speaking to them in parables: “A man planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a pit for the wine press and built a tower; then he rented it to tenant-farmers and left. 2 When harvest-time came, he sent a servant to the tenants to collect his share of the crop from the vineyard. 3 But they took him, beat him up and sent him away empty-handed. 4 So he sent another servant; this one they punched in the head and insulted.
          5 He sent another one, and him they killed; and so with many others — some they beat up, others they killed. 6 He had still one person left, a son whom he loved; in the end, he sent him to them, saying, ‘My son they will respect.’ 7 But the tenants said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him, and the inheritance will be ours!’ 8 So they seized him, killed him and threw him out of the vineyard. 9 Now what will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come, destroy those tenants and give the vineyard to others!
          10 Haven’t you read the passage in the Tanakh (Jewish scriptures) that says, ‘The very rock which the builders rejected has become the cornerstone (of the building)! 11 This has come from ADONAI (Lord God Yahweh), and in our eyes it is amazing’?”

          12 They (the temple councillors) set about to arrest him(Jesus), for they recognized that his (Jesus’) parable was referring to themselves. But they were afraid of the crowd, so they left him and went away.
          13 Next they sent some P’rushim (Pharisee leaders) and some members of Herod’s party (ministers) to him (Jesus) in order to trap him with a sh’eilah (rhetorical poser to test and trick). 14 They came and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you tell the truth and are not concerned with what people think about you, since you pay no attention to a person’s status but really teach what God’s way is. Does Torah say that taxes are to be paid to the Roman Emperor, or not?” 15 But he (Jesus), knew their hypocrisy, and said to them, “Why are you trying to trap me? Bring me a denarius (Roman silver coin) so I can look at it.” 16 So they brought one; and he asked them, “Whose name and picture are these?” “The (Roman) Emperor’s,” they replied. 17 Yeshua (Jesus) said, “Then give the Emperor what belongs to the Emperor. And give to God what belongs to God!” And they were amazed at him.

          [I understand Jesus meant that one has worldly responsibilities just as one has spiritual responsibilities. Fulfill them. And don’t be judgmental about others or hypocritical about anything.]

          18 Then some Tz’dukim (Sadducees) came to him. They are the ones who say there is no such thing as resurrection, so they put to him a sh’eilah (rhetorical test) :
          19 “Rabbi, Moshe(Moses) wrote for us that if a man’s brother dies and leaves a wife but no child, his brother must take the wife and have children to preserve the man’s family line. 20 There were seven brothers. The first one took a wife, and when he died, he left no children. 21 Then the second one took her and died without leaving children, and the third likewise, 22 and none of the seven left children. Last of all, the woman also died.
          23 In the Resurrection, whose wife will she be? For all seven had her as wife.” 24 Yeshua said to them, “Isn’t this the reason that you go astray? because you are ignorant both of the Tanakh (Jewish scriptures) and of the power of God (Yahweh)?
          25 For when people rise from the dead, neither men nor women marry — they are like angels in heaven. 26 And as for the dead being raised, haven’t you read in the book of Moshe, in the passage about the bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Avraham (Abraham), the God of Yitz’chak(Isaac) and the God of Ya`akov’ (Jacob)? 27 He is God not of the dead, but of the living! You are going far astray!”

          28 One of the Torah-teachers came up and heard them engaged in this discussion. Seeing that Yeshua answered them well, he asked him, “Which is the most important mitzvah (commandment) of them all?” 29 Yeshua answered, “The most important (commandment) is, “Sh’ma Yisra’el, ADONAI Eloheinu, ADONAI echad” [Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one],
          30 and you are to love ADONAI your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your understanding and with all your strength.’ 31 The second (commandment) is this: ‘You are to love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other mitzvah (commandment) greater than these.”
          32 The Torah-teacher said to him, “Well said, Rabbi; you speak the truth when you say that he is one, and that there is no other besides him; 33 and that loving him with all one’s heart, understanding and strength, and loving one’s neighbor as oneself, mean more than all the burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
          34 When Yeshua saw that he responded sensibly, he said to him, “You are not far from the Kingdom of God.” And after that, no one dared put to him another sh’eilah.

          [To know and love God, and to serve all humanity as oneself is the greatest obligation of true religion]

          35 As Yeshua was teaching in the Temple, he asked, “How is it that the Torah teachers say the Messiah is the Son of David?
          36 David himself, inspired by the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit), said, ‘ADONAI said to my lord, “Sit here at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.” ‘ 37 David himself calls him ‘Lord’; so how is he (Jesus) his (David’s) son?” The great crowd listened eagerly to him. 38 As he (Jesus) taught them, he said, “Watch out for the kind of Torah-teachers who like to walk around in robes and be greeted respectfully in the marketplaces, 39 who like to have the best seats in the synagogues and take the places of honor at banquets, 40 who like to swallow up widows’ houses while making a show of davvening (reciting prayers) at great length. Their punishment will be all the worse!”

          [Jesus the Messiah condemns spiritual hypocrisy and religious profiteering]

          41 Then Yeshua sat down opposite the Temple treasury and watched the crowd as they put money into the offering-boxes. Many rich people put in large sums, 42 but a poor widow came and put in two small coins. 43 He called his talmidim (disciples) to him and said to them, “Yes! I tell you, this poor widow has put more in the offering-box than all the others making donations.
          44 For all of them, out of their wealth, have contributed money they can easily spare; but she, out of her poverty, has given everything she had to live on.”

          [Jesus thus emphasises the spiritual dimension of social transactions. For me, his teachings in this chapter disprove the legitimacy of the innovated “prosperity gospel” that pervades modern-day evangelism]

          The philosopher Immanuel Kant, in answering the question: “What Is Enlightenment?” said:

          “Enlightenment is man’s release from his self-imposed tutelage. Tutelage is man’s inability to make use of his own understanding without direction from another person. Self-imposed is this tutelage when its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere aude! “Have courage to use your own reason!” – that is the motto of enlightenment.”

          And may God on High help us all. Amen.

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  • 53. tehtarik  |  July 9, 2016 at 9:03 am

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    • 54. Helen Ang  |  July 9, 2016 at 10:31 am

      Enough already lah with the vile, abusive language.

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      • 55. wawe  |  July 9, 2016 at 11:10 am

        Haha, tq Helen. Otherwise we wld be vomittung these raya days consuming the abusive vulgar words, a trademark of the rba dapigs. I can imagine the foul lg used by them fr you to delete them.

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        • 56. Kineas1067  |  July 9, 2016 at 2:08 pm

          ISIS/Daesh doesn’t need excuses, does it?

          Iraq, Istanbul, Dhaka, KL – and more to come, no doubt, if ISIS has it’s way. An equal opportunity terrorist group that has it’s own perverted ideology

          It isn’t being “abusive vulgar” now, is it?

          What other excuses are you going to make for it? That it is a bunch of “lost innocents” who have been cruelly misled by Israel and the US?

          Yeah, right….

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          • 57. wawe  |  July 9, 2016 at 3:04 pm

            They are the bold and brave to take up challenges towards anyone who insult their religion. There are many ways and stages of addressing insults and provocation like those fron dapsters, evangelists. It would not be consultation and discussion all the time. Come to a stage and level, more strenous and stricter mode need to be deployed, like what the isis is exercising now and soon..
            If you do not know what insult means, you hv to dig further, coz people with kulit tebal, like the pigs skin that you wear on, simply cannot understand the word.
            what is to be expected of those bunch of tramplets, and hooligans. All they know is menyondol, like they say, ur what you eat. Thus the menyondol behaviour. Clearly also, you do not share the same values and insights wt the Islamists. If you are really interested, you need to go in deprh wt the religion. Otherwise, whatever you propose or provoke does not hv much bearing.

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            • 58. Jamie  |  July 10, 2016 at 1:55 am

              i’m sorry but there is nothing brave and bold about IS/ Daesh (whatever they call themselves). Every violent act they took against the non-Muslims only hurt the Muslims more in the bigger picture. And to date, most of their victims have been Muslims themselves. Extremists are never good news. And peaceful Muslims are trapped in the middle – hated by nons who think they (the peaceful Muslims) are the same like Daesh, and killed by Daesh themselves who think they’re deviants. It’s a lose-lose situation with these guys.

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              • 59. Abdullah  |  July 11, 2016 at 4:18 pm

                Quran: surah Al-Maidah

                (27) And recite to them the story of Adam’s two sons (Cain and Abel), in truth, when they both offered a sacrifice [to Allah], and it was accepted from one of them but was not accepted from the other. Said [Cain], “I will surely kill you.” Said [Abel], “Indeed, Allah only accepts from the righteous [who reject evil]. (28) If you should raise your hand to kill me – I shall not raise my hand against you. Indeed, I do fear Allah, Lord of the worlds. (29) I would rather you bear the burden of my sins and your own sins so that you will be among the companions of the Fire. That is the punishment for evildoers.” (30) And his (selfish) soul led him to murder his brother: he murdered him, and became one of the lost ones.(31) Then Allah sent a raven which kept on scratching at the ground, to show him how to hide (bury) his brother’s naked corpse. He (Cain) said: Woe unto me! Am I unable to be like this raven to hide my brother’s naked corpse? And he became repentant.

                (32) For that reason We decreed for the Children of Israel (consequently, all human beings) that whosoever kills a human being for other than for murder or for spreading corruption upon the earth, it is as if he had killed all humankind, and whosoever saves the life of a single human being, it is as if he had saved the lives of all humankind. Our (God’s) messengers came unto them in the days of old with clear proofs (of Allah’s Sovereignty and Mercy), but afterwards lo! many of them transgressed to excess upon the earth.

                (33) The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

                Therefore the context behind the meaning of verse 33 which radical salafists quote as basis for their terrorist actions is directly contradictory to that kind of drastic behaviour.
                Evil actions can never be attributed to the Allah Lord Most Compassionate and Merciful; nor to Sayyidina Muhammad, whom God sent as a gracious mercy to the entire universe of living beings.

                Those who re-enact Cain’s evil murder upon innocent Abel whom God approved of, must suffer its terrible punishment in Hellfire. According to the Word of Allah in verse 32, they are in effect causing grievous harm to all humanity.

                Al-Fatihah, the Opening to Al-Quran

                1. In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

                2. All the praises and thanks be to Allah, the Lord of the Universe (humans, angels, jinns and all beings).

                3. The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

                4. The Sovereign Judge of the Day of Resurrection.

                5. You do we worship, and You do we seek for help (for each and everything).

                6. Guide us upon the Straight Way

                7. The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not of those who have earned Your Anger, nor of those who have gone astray.

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            • 60. Prakash  |  July 11, 2016 at 2:48 pm

              “Come to a stage and level, more strenous and stricter mode need to be deployed, like what the isis is exercising now and soon…”

              Beheading people is not an option

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              • 61. Helen Ang  |  July 11, 2016 at 3:20 pm

                Prakash,

                Some quarters believe that the Daesh were created and are still being funded by Western powers.

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                • 62. Prakash  |  July 11, 2016 at 11:35 pm

                  What does the Chilcot report say?

                  Sir John Chilcot delivered a devastating critique of Tony Blair’s decision to go to war in Iraq in 2003, concluding that Britain chose to join the US invasion before “peaceful options for disarmament” had been exhausted. His report, which amounts to arguably the most scathing official verdict given on any modern British prime minister, concludes:

                  Tony Blair exaggerated the case for war in Iraq
                  There was no imminent threat from Saddam Hussein
                  Britain’s intelligence agencies produced “flawed information”
                  George Bush largely ignored UK advice on postwar planning
                  The UK military were ill-equipped for the task
                  UK-US relations would not have been harmed had the UK
                  stayed out of the war

                  https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/06/intelligence-files-support-claims-iraq-invasion-helped-spawn-isis

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          • 63. Trivor  |  July 9, 2016 at 11:20 pm

            Well, considering the provocative “over my dead body” confession, one has no reason to find an excuse.

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          • 64. RINA  |  July 10, 2016 at 7:42 pm

            Kineas 1067

            Alaaa you ni. Tiba2 buat2 takut plak, dengan ISIS/Daesh? Lu olang itu geng2 kongsi gelap sejak zaman British sampai sikalang very active ma. Sana sini claim teletoli, correck pau $$$$ some more.

            Tapi itu geng, kalau tarak kacau lia punya punca pendapatan $$$$$$$$$ (prostitution, gambling, stolen-fake-ciplak goods whatnot) lia olang pun tarak kacau sama lu la.

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  • 65. so says Mufti Pahang says so  |  July 9, 2016 at 3:44 pm

    “Should there be another public insult by the Chinese against Islam, “we will launch a second terror attack,” warned Isis militant Abu Hamzah Al-fateh.”

    The “honorable” mufti said what he meant when he accused the other as kafir harbi is that they should be challenged based on knowledge and through discussions. What else does the mufti mean?

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    • 66. shamshul anuar  |  July 9, 2016 at 9:10 pm

      So says Mufti,

      The Mufti means Muslims should not keep quiet when DAP goes on and on insulting Islam.

      If annihilation is what in mind of malay Muslim community, they would have created hell for DAP long time ago

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    • 67. Keris  |  July 10, 2016 at 12:57 am

      re: “Should there be another public insult by the Chinese against Islam, “we will launch a second terror attack,” warned Isis militant Abu Hamzah Al-fateh.”

      ISIS militants should be aware that their self-styled fatwas do not represent the Prophet Muhammad’s religion, sal allahu alaihi was sallam.

      http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com/
      Excerpts of Open Letter from the Sheikhs of Ahl Sunnah wal Jamaah to al-Baghdadi, head of ISIS:

      * It is forbidden in Islam to issue fatwas without all the necessary learning requirements. Even then fatwas must follow Islamic legal theory as defined in the Classical texts. It is also forbidden to cite a portion of a verse from the Qur’an—or part of a verse—to derive a ruling without looking at everything that the Qur’an and Hadith teach related to that matter. In other words, there are strict subjective and objective prerequisites for fatwas , and one cannot ‘cherry-pick’ Qur’anic verses for legal arguments without considering the entire Qur’an and Hadith.

      * Jihad in Islam is defensive war. It is not permissible without the right cause, the right purpose and without the right rules of conduct.

      * It is forbidden in Islam to enact legal punishments (hudud) without following the correct procedures that ensure justice and mercy.

      * It is forbidden in Islam to attribute evil acts to God ﷻ.

      * Loyalty to one’s nation is permissible in Islam.
      ______________________________________________

      A Conversation with Sheikh Abdullah Bin Bayyah, rahimullah anhu

      Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim

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    • 68. Jamie  |  July 10, 2016 at 2:03 am

      also it’s interesting to note that anyone who interpreted the Mufti’s words re kafir harbi as a literal war to incite act violence against non believers (i.e Dap and their sheeps) are interpreting it the exact same way as Daesh would?

      the teachings of Islam is meant to last through the ages – it is progressive and would adapt according to what the society needs through changing times. Therefore when someone is labelled as kafir harbi – it is a warning for a community to be wary of them, and to not fall for their ‘trap’. and to fight back these days, we use technological means – spread awareness through social media, engage them in debate, educate people about it so they will be aware. Not fight with your hands and certainly not kill. All intelligent Muslims would know that.
      It’s funny when certain parties like to insinuate that Islam is archaic when they themselves go into hysterics and interpret everything that a mufti says in the most medieval sense possible, just like Daesh would.
      Ironic much?

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      • 69. Abdullah  |  July 10, 2016 at 9:17 pm

        Ramadan Statement from Dr. Mohamed Fatris Bakaram
        Mufti of Singapore

        “This past month many senseless attacks have taken place all around the world – in Orlando, Qabul, Istanbul, Dhaka, Baghdad, in Madinah outside the Holy Mosque, and closer to home, in Kuala Lumpur and Surakarta. These vile attacks were caused by misguided people who commit atrocities and violence blemishing the name of Islam, a religion that places great emphasis on the sanctity of human lives. Our thoughts and prayers go out to the innocent victims and their families.

        The fact that the attacks took place during Ramadan, in which Muslims are taught to be close to the Creator and to seek His blessings through doing good deeds and refraining from evil, show clearly these attacks have nothing to do with Islam. These are outrageous and evil attacks against humanity.

        In Singapore, we have been blessed to see so many beautiful moments in the month of Ramadan with so many instances of the Muslim community coming together, as a community, as families, and as individuals, to help others and to bring some joy to the less fortunate in their daily struggles, in the true spirit of Ramadan.

        My heart is warmed by the awakening of this spirit of being a blessing to all mankind. My spirit is refreshed too, as I see Singaporeans from other faiths come together to understand us through our communal iftars (breaking of fast) held at our mosques and other organizations and joining hands to do good for the betterment of our society.

        This is the embodiment of the true teachings of Islam and all religions. This is the spirit that we should continue to harness that can help further strengthen us as a society.

        In the last few moments of this holy month, and in the days ahead, let us not waver in the good that we do, for which Allah has blessed us with the tranquility and the harmony we have in our country. May we continue to do good and be caring, peace-loving Muslims, and may we be rewarded to see another blessed month of Ramadan.”

        Source: MUIS’s Facebook.

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  • 70. An Ordinary Malaysian  |  July 10, 2016 at 1:59 am

    Helen,

    re : “In effect, Boo is saying above that when Muslims are willing to “tolerate criticism and insults” to their religion, then Isis would have lost the war.”

    I am not saying it is right or wrong, but Muslims cannot be criticised or insulted?

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    • 71. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2016 at 2:08 am

      Why do the Dapster-evangelistas want to keep on insulting Islam?

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      • 72. wawe  |  July 10, 2016 at 3:41 am

        It is politically motivated. Or may be they hv that black dot in their heart which needs to be cleansed. In fact, there cld be many reasons but the bottom line ot is greed, their greediness. Greediness reflects insecurity.

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        • 73. islam1st  |  July 10, 2016 at 5:53 pm

          Dah takdir jadi ‘kayu api neraka’, so to speak…

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    • 74. shamshul anuar  |  July 10, 2016 at 9:00 am

      An ordinary malaysian,

      The Chinese were upset PERKASA handed ovder angpow to senior citizens in white packet. And we all know PERKASA meant no insult. It is just that PERKASA, being a Malay NGO, then did not realise that white angpow to chinese community is a no no.

      Yet the very race, Chinese, feel it is OK for the DAP MP to mock Islam, Malays during Raya festive season.

      Malays, like other races can be criticized. But only morons would say it is OK to insult them.

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  • 75. Formerly known as FHAAHD  |  July 10, 2016 at 10:05 am

    The fact of the matter is Muslims have to just get over themselves. So what if your religion gets insulted? Just toughen up and move on. How do those insults effect your personal salvation in any way, Learn to control your massive egos and the world will be a much better place.

    Why does Islam need special protection? If someone thinks it’s a crock of shit, why should you get insulted by it? Isn’t that person entitled to his opinion? Muslims are known for their homophobia, imagine if the LGBT community reacted to the insults thrown at them by the Muslims. Why the double standards?

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    • 76. Helen Ang  |  July 10, 2016 at 11:45 am

      re: “So what if your religion gets insulted?”

      Why do Dapster-evangelistas need to compulsively and obsessively insult Islam?

      re: “Just toughen up and move on.”

      Dapster-evangelistas should just put their shoulder to the grindstone, acquire better professional qualifications for themselves and move on to Tasmania. Rather than remain in Malaysia and bitch all the time.

      re: “How do those insults effect your personal salvation in any way”

      How does insulting Islam improve the Dapster-evangelistas’ chances of saving their precious soul?

      re: “Learn to control your massive egos and the world will be a much better place.”

      Exactly. If only the Dapster-evangelistas can but learn to control their massive egos, then they can curb that superiority complex which drives their obsessive compulsive need to insult Islam.

      Malaysia will be a much better place without their trouble-making.

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    • 77. Melayu Malaysia  |  July 10, 2016 at 5:54 pm

      “Learn to control your massive egos and the world will be a much better place.”

      True Muslims will perform the solat MINIMUM 5 times a day, that is 17 rakaats in all and for each rakaat, we bring our head down to the floor, performing the sujud on the order of ALLAH the Almighty.

      Has anyone seen any non-muslim do something similar? If THAT is not and ego-buster, I don’t know what else to describe.

      So have a good look at yourself in the mirror and speak to you inner self and decide who has the gigantic massive, inflated ego that you are talking about. That would be a good start to make this world a better place.

      While the Muslims perform the sujud upon the order of ALLAH, what would your reason be if you were to perform the sujud?

      “Just toughen up and move on”

      Yes I pray that it will come one day and people like you may come to regret it. Talking about wishful thinking. It may come to haunt you.

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      • 78. Hello  |  July 10, 2016 at 9:28 pm

        Kneel down and bow till your forehead touch the floor when praying. Hindus, taoists, buddhists, christians and sikhs also do that. It is not exclusively islam

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      • 79. Formerly known as FHAAHD  |  July 11, 2016 at 12:03 am

        Only people with big egos will get insulted whenever their belief systems are challenged. People of other faiths generally don’t care what others think and will carry on with their lives. Muslims on the other hand seem to demand respect when they themselves don’t give it to others. Yes, you guys have a massive ego problem. Lose it.

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        • 80. RINA  |  July 11, 2016 at 7:26 am

          Formerly known as FHAAHD

          …..Muslims on the other hand seem to demand respect when they themselves don’t give it to others…

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        • 81. wawe  |  July 11, 2016 at 1:51 pm

          Only people with big ego will provoke, belittle and make fun of others’ belief. They suffer from superority complex that allows them to poke fun into others’ religion. In the first place, why are these goons so eager to attack others’ religion, especially Islam. Why not you attack your previous religion, your ancestral belief that you insinuate by leaving it behind. That reflects some hidden ulterior motives which are detrimental to our religion that we need to defend. It is our right to defend what we believe in. Why you kepochi when you are the one who provoke first? You only layak making noise, others cannot voice up?

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          • 82. Formerly known as FHAAHD  |  July 11, 2016 at 2:33 pm

            “In the first place, why are these goons so eager to attack others’ religion, especially Islam”

            Christianity has been attacked, especially by mainstream western media for a lot longer than Islam. Christians on a whole just choose not react like spoiled brats when this happens. A cartoon mocking Jesus for example doesn’t lead to 80 over killings. Just saying.

            I condemn Islam because I think its archaic ideology does not make a human being a better human being, but rather has the opposite effect, and ultimately divides society. It has no place in today’s modern society imo. Whether you choose to get insulted by my views or someone elses is purely due to you large ego not being able to handle the condemnation of your belief system.

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            • 83. Trump  |  July 11, 2016 at 7:39 pm

              Its hard to defend something that is so untrue, which is why the christians did nothing about it. A lot of christians understands this, but they need to hold on to something that possibly could keep them from the hell fire that was promised to them by Allah s.w.t in the Quran.

              You condemn Islam because you hate the truth. You concocted all sorts of names and lies to help you spread your message of hate.

              Thats who you are. An Islam HATER.

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  • 84. Fakin' Fake Calvin  |  July 10, 2016 at 8:06 pm

    Boo Su Lynn is channeling her inner Teresa Kok don’t you think? Both in her writing & profile pic.

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  • 85. metabalance  |  July 11, 2016 at 4:30 pm

    Too bad if Cheng Guan’s sane advice is not heeded.

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  • 86. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 11, 2016 at 8:51 pm

    ms Helen.
    saya minta maaf.

    anda tidak menjawab pertanyaan ikhlas saya.

    saya ulangani persoalan :-

    “so based on yr stand n by extension can I deduce that d Holy Koran may b fraudulent n d muslims r delusional n misguided 4 believing in d virgin birth of Isa (Jesus) ?

    if yr answer is ‘yes’, then u hv consciously disparage d muslim belief system. this can b very xplosive if many come 2 know abt it,
    if d answer is ‘no’ , then a retraction is in order.

    I quite understand that in yr enthusiastic fervor 2 put d evangelist n evengelistas in their proper place u tend 2 forget that both religions hv a lot in common.

    I humbly rest my case.

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    • 87. Helen Ang  |  July 11, 2016 at 9:10 pm

      re: “if yr answer is ‘yes’ … / if d answer is ‘no’ …”

      You are the one being provocative here and pushing it.

      I’ve already said there are some things about religion which I don’t comment on such as the Prophet’s marriage to Aishah, or in the case of Christianity this Virgin Birth and a few other matters.

      If people (me) keep my own counsel, then it means I live and let leave. To repeat: To you yours, to me mine. I’ve not stepped forward to interfere in your belief. Why are you shoving yours on me? Why provoke?

      re: “I quite understand that in yr enthusiastic fervor 2 put d evangelist n evengelistas in their proper place u tend 2 forget that both religions hv a lot in common.”

      I’m very well aware (and had been earlier aware) that Muslims believe in the Virgin Birth. This detail has been brought up in my blog by my regular Muslim readers several times before.

      May I remind you that the Pew survey found only 10 percent of Malaysian Muslims believe that Islam and Christianity have a lot in common.

      On the other hand, the Pew research finding said 83 percent of Malaysian Muslims view Christianity and Islam as being “very different”.

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      • 88. Mad Hatter  |  July 11, 2016 at 10:22 pm

        Actually the Dato has a point, Helen. You can’t overly criticize Christianity without touching Islam. The Quran recognizes Christianity. They are ‘People of the book’

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        • 89. Helen Ang  |  July 11, 2016 at 10:43 pm

          I criticize the City Harvest Church pastors. If you think Rev. Kong Hee, his wife Sun Ho and the rest of their pastors and elders who have been sent to jail = Christianity, then bully for you. Likewise the NECF leaders such as Rev. Eu Hong Seng = Christianity (?)

          I criticize evangelical lay pastors like Hannah Yeoh. If, for you, the Madame Speaker is = Christianity, then good luck Jerusubang.

          I criticize Guan Eng who bore witness to Sibu churchgoers. His testimony was seething in anger and resentment.

          If Papa and Mama Dapster’s evangelical cohorts, such as the provocative David Nga Kor Ming = Christianity, then you might as well brace for a clash of civilizations between them and the majority Muslims who view DAP as kafir harbi.

          Christianity sure has taken a freaky turn in Jerusubang. It has become a cult in meeting the Gospel of Prosperity.

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          • 90. Mad Hatter  |  July 11, 2016 at 10:59 pm

            Well can’t you criticize them without touching their religion. Your blog postings sometimes ‘menghasut’

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            • 91. Helen Ang  |  July 11, 2016 at 11:08 pm

              Provide specific examples pls since you’re making a serious accusation.

              It is you all who menghasut and then turn around and point fingers, just like how Dapsters can call Malays “racists” and evangelistas label Muslims as “religious bigots”.

              Almost one-third of Malaysian Muslims surveyed believe you all are Christian “extremists”.

              As far as I’m concerned, Rev. Kong Hee founded his own version of the faith. He does not belong to any traditional or known denomination of Christianity. His followers attend a church he founded, not a Methodist/Anglican/Baptist/Lutheran etc church.

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        • 92. Jade Emperor  |  July 11, 2016 at 11:12 pm

          The worldly-wise evangelists who are not near to Jesus Christ and the terrible Islamists who are far from the Light of Muhammad.

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      • 93. shamshul anuar  |  July 13, 2016 at 4:43 pm

        Helen,

        It is a matter of faith actually Prophet Muhammad SAW claimed to ascend the sky right to the end of Allah’s realm. The incident is known by Muslim worldwide as “Isra’ and Miqraj”.

        And the journey took only half a night. If any man, Caliph, Sultan, Tok Guru, PM, Ketum claims that he/she ascends the sky to the furtherest of realm known as “sidratrul Muntaha”, he/she would be termed as “gila”.

        But Muslims believe the Prophet as WE recognised him as the prophet. It is a matter of faith as we know the prophet did not lie. Only a Prophet can claim such thing.

        As for marriage to Lady aishah, he(the prophet), is deemed as to have his own reason. No Muslim if they claim to be his “umat” would criticize him.

        Who cares if some morons do not believe and question the Prophet. Just like muslims do not recognise Jesus as Son of God, non Muslim do not recognise Prophet Muhammad SAW as the Prophet.

        But we do not have to insult. I do not believe in story of Jesus being son of God. but i must respect Christans belief. Likewise, I expect Muslims belief on Prophet is respected.

        Some like Ngor kam meng and more or less DAP, being a moron, does not understand the concept.

        But we are different

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        • 94. Helen Ang  |  July 13, 2016 at 5:35 pm

          re: “Just like muslims do not recognise Jesus as Son of God, non Muslim do not recognise Prophet Muhammad SAW as the Prophet.”

          Likewise I do not believe in the Virgin Birth.

          re: “But we do not have to insult.”

          Correct. I merely replied telling the reason why I personally do not believe in it, to answer specifically Datuk Abdul Rahman’s direct question. It was not as if I was arguing or preaching to Muslims or Christians to make them disbelieve.

          The Datuk was out of line and niat jahat to misdirect the issue.

          I already made it clear – you believe what you believe, as I believe what I believe. To each our own and we stay out of each other’s sphere (unlike the evangelista tudung weares who begitu beriya-iya Duduk Masjid).

          re: “I do not believe in story of Jesus being son of God. but i must respect Christans belief. Likewise, I expect Muslims belief on Prophet is respected.”

          Similarly I do not make the Prophet’s marriage a bone of contention like the Dapster Islamophobes are obsessed with doing. I said before the age of akil baligh follows the era in which they lived.

          Romeo’s girlfriend Juliet was 13, as was the heroine Lin Daiyu in the Chinese classic Dream of the Red Chamber.

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          • 95. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 13, 2016 at 6:05 pm

            ms Helen,

            again I need 2 correct u. it was u who announced yr disbelieve on d virgin birth 2 get back ( I presume) at d evengelistas. I wld not hv known of yr position if u were 2 keep it wthin yrself.

            I don’t care less if u believe d earth is square. but once u announce wthout any rhyme or reason n it touches on passages of my Holy Koran, of course I hv every right 2 respond.

            I hv not even touched or question d basic tenets of yr religion n i expect reciprocity shld b given. u r a Buddhist so let us b aware of our boundaries.

            there is no niat jahat whatsoever.

            pls read carefully our exchanges. tq.

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            • 96. Helen Ang  |  July 13, 2016 at 6:35 pm

              re: “again I need 2 correct u. it was u who announced yr disbelieve on d virgin birth 2 get back ( I presume) at d evengelistas.”

              Pls read carefully my exchange with Shamshul. I wrote (quote):

              “Correct. I merely replied telling the reason why I personally do not believe in it, to answer specifically Datuk Abdul Rahman’s direct question.”

              I did not tell Shamshul that it was you had originally asked me about my (dis)belief about the VB. To break down my answer in parts, I’d said to Shamshul:

              (a) I replied to Datuk
              (b) to inform of the “REASON” why …

              re: “I wld not hv known of yr position if u were 2 keep it wthin yrself.”

              Correct. But my discussion with that other fella would have ended there – fullstop – if it was not Y-O-U who had not pursued the matter and asked a further specific question.

              I made my position known – just as above Shamshul makes his position publicly known that he does not believe Jesus is the son of God.

              Just because Shamshul and I make known our personal beliefs does not mean that either of us desires to challenge the doctrine of the church. It is clearly you who berniat jahat to twist the matter.

              re: “I don’t care less if u believe d earth is square.”

              Okay, I’ll play along with your game.

              Let’s say I ‘believe’ the Earth is flat. I shall presume that the Quran alludes our Earth is a sphere. c.f. https://www.al-islam.org/philosophy-islamic-laws-nasir-makarim-shirazi-jafar-subhani/question-36-earth-being-spherical-and

              So are you similarly going to accuse me of challenging the Quran for stating my personal stance as a Flat Earther?

              re: “but once u announce wthout any rhyme or reason n it touches on passages of my Holy Koran, of course I hv every right 2 respond.”

              So if I have announced that I believe the Earth is flat, you’re going to kenakan me again?

              I might say a few other random things that might possibly touch on passages of the Quran or Hadith – e.g. menstruation taboo – then you’re going to kenakan me like you keep kenakan Najib with your One plus One equals Three.

              re: “I hv not even touched or question d basic tenets of yr religion”

              Yes, you have. You said you did not believe in karma. So how different is your disbelief in the law of karma as opposed to my disbelief in the VB?

              re: ‘n i expect reciprocity shld b given”

              I expect you not to exert your niat jahat dan hati busuk.

              re: “u r a Buddhist so let us b aware of our boundaries”

              Why are you ‘attacking’ (following your logic on VB) my belief in karma? You are crossing the boundary and mocking my religion.

              re: “there is no niat jahat whatsoever”

              Of course there is. Same as your niat jahat against Najib.

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              • 97. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 13, 2016 at 8:15 pm

                we r going in circles here. I tink we shld stop here.

                sdr shamsul may I humbly suggest that u read our xchanges n present yr commentary.

                if u think that there was ‘malfeasance’ in my conduct I m willing 2 apologize. I m really tired wth this silly n long winded exchanges.

                wth regards 2 d word ‘karma’, it was u who asked whether I believe in it. I did not declare it out of d blue.

                if it is yr Buddhist belief that d world is flat so b it. I take offence if u say that it is illogical not 2 believe that d world is flat. 4 muslims, it was mentioned in our Holy Koran that d earth is spherical like n ostrich egg. ( n it has been proven right by science)

                I was initially reminding u that u r transgressing onto muslim hallowed ground even though u knew abt d sensitive nature of yr public pronouncement..

                again sdr shamsul pls tel whether there was any niat jahat on my part.

                my stand is firm that n I will confront any non muslims who by extension question d authenticity of God Almighty’s message 2 our Nabi s.a.w thru my Holy book.

                tq in advance. salam.

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                • 98. Helen Ang  |  July 13, 2016 at 9:32 pm

                  re: “we r going in circles here. I tink we shld stop here.”

                  We’re not going around in circles. I’m merely mirroring your method.

                  – You said that I was challenging Islam by publicly stating that I do not believe in Virgin Birth.

                  – I said that you’re challenging Buddhism by publicly stating that you do not believe in the law of karma.

                  re: “wth regards 2 d word ‘karma’, it was u who asked whether I believe in it.”

                  Likewise it was you who asked my WHY I disbelieve in Virgin Birth.

                  re: “I did not declare it out of d blue.”

                  I would not have stated the reason for my disbelief in VB if you had not asked. Now, with the benefit of hindsight, I can see that you asked to in order to set a trap, and to kenakan saya.

                  re: “if it is yr Buddhist belief that d world is flat so b it. I take offence if u say that it is illogical not 2 believe that d world is flat. 4 muslims, it was mentioned in our Holy Koran that d earth is spherical like n ostrich egg. ( n it has been proven right by science)”

                  You will take offence at 101 things mentioned in the Quran if the rest of us non-Muslims differ in our personal opinion on the matters.

                  You will also take offence if non-Muslims believe it is okay but what is haram in Islam (like eat pork) and you will say that all the cultures that eat pork/bacon/ham like German, English, Korean, Chinese are challenging the tenet in your Holy Book.

                  With you, there’s no room allowed for “to you your beliefs and to us, ours”.

                  re: “I was initially reminding u that u r transgressing onto muslim hallowed ground even though u knew abt d sensitive nature of yr public pronouncement.”

                  Right. Now I’m transgressing onto your hallowed ground again when I say that the Earth is flat. http://www.thomaslfriedman.com/bookshelf/the-world-is-flat

                  re: “my stand is firm that n I will confront any non muslims who by extension question d authenticity of God Almighty’s message 2 our Nabi s.a.w thru my Holy book.”

                  Typical of the anti-Najib type. Very confrontational and eager to pick fights.

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                  • 99. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 13, 2016 at 9:56 pm

                    dah letih.

                    saya minta sdr shamsul adjudicate.

                    fyi I do not know him personally
                    .
                    again, my stand on my religion has very little relevance 2 my opposition 2 najib’s leadership. it can b LKs ;LGE; Azmin or 4 that matter tun m. my stand will b d same if I honestly believe that grave injustice hv been committed 2 d nation.

                    if sdr shamsul declines 2 give his assessment, then I myself will impose my own self restraint on this issue.

                    but rest b assured that any further infringement into my religion of Islam simply 4 somebody 2 get at their perceived ‘dajjal’ will b robustly repulsed..

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  • 100. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 11, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    do not ask d muslims at large. its just like asking DAP members on how they view UMNO.

    ask d scholars in comparative religion. there many that u can access thru u tube. just key in Zakir Naik, ahmad deedat, Yusuf estes, shuib webb, hamzah Yusuf, Hussein yee, khalid yasin n many2 more.

    u r completely entitled 2 yr belief system but once u make it public ,then u wld need 2 defend yr stand n understanding logically.

    in spite of being aware what muslims feel abt d virgin birth, u still choose 2 make it known publicly yr disbelieve. I wonder whether there is a hidden agenda. may b as n agent provocateur ? I hope not.

    u r perfectly entitled 2 yr feelings n position in d confine of yr private domain. however once u share it publicly, then it bcomes every body’s concern.

    I 4 one n I m sure many more practicing muslims
    feel slighted by yr private position that u made public. I hv every right 2 conclude that u r not a friend of Muslims after all.

    Yb Nga was inundated wth condemnation by netizens n being investigated just 4 making fun of d malay/muslim tradition of giving duit raya. making a public pronouncement n rejecting d virgin birth of Isa is definitely more serious.

    I will stop here n I hope none will take this issue further.

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    • 101. Helen Ang  |  July 11, 2016 at 11:00 pm

      re: “u r completely entitled 2 yr belief system but once u make it public ,then u wld need 2 defend yr stand n understanding logically.”

      Are you saying, for example, that since it is publicly known Waytha Moorthy (as one example) is a Hindu, he must similarly justify in public what elements of Islam and Christianity he disbelieves in?

      As a Muslim, I presume you do not believe that Jesus is the son of God. Then go ahead defend your understanding of this to the Christians.

      re: “in spite of being aware what muslims feel abt d virgin birth, u still choose 2 make it known publicly yr disbelieve.”

      Tell us then why you disbelieve that Jesus is the son of God.

      re: “I wonder whether there is a hidden agenda. may b as n agent provocateur ? I hope not.”

      I also wonder whether you have a hidden agenda by continually slagging Najib Razak in my blog. Are you an agent provocateur? I hope not.”

      re: “u r perfectly entitled 2 yr feelings n position in d confine of yr private domain.”

      You are also perfectly entitled to your feelings and position about the PM in the confine of your private domain. However some of the things you have been publicly saying about him verge on criminal defamation. I hope you’re not an agent provocateur.

      re: “however once u share it publicly, then it bcomes every body’s concern.”

      Likewise your views about Najib Razak.

      re: “I 4 one n I m sure many more practicing muslims feel slighted by yr private position that u made public.”

      If they feel slighted that I do not believe in the Virgin Birth, they’re free to say their piece against me here and now. Who are you to speak on their behalf?

      re: I hv every right 2 conclude that u r not a friend of Muslims after all.”

      You have every right to conclude whatever you assess just like other readers have similarly concluded about your political ambitions — some comments which I’ve not let through because I possess more discretion than you do.

      re: “Yb Nga was inundated wth condemnation by netizens n being investigated just 4 making fun of d malay/muslim tradition of giving duit raya.”

      The netizens may have concluded that he is accusing ‘someone’ of Hari Raya corruption.

      re: “making a public pronouncement n rejecting d virgin birth of Isa is definitely more serious.”

      Oh really? By what law am I to be punished for disbelieving in Virgin Birth?

      re: “I will stop here n I hope none will take this issue further.”

      You should because you’re not cutting a very rational figure. Take your fight to Pekan. I’m betting you’ll lose your deposit.

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      • 102. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 12, 2016 at 12:32 am

        it is becoming more interesting.
        ok lets go thru one at a time;-

        1)waytha moorthy.
        he did not publicly announce his disbelieve in d virgin birth. bad example.

        2)not believing that Jesus is not d son of God.
        it is because d Koran says so. he is just a prophet n insya’allah I can defend it. n do u know that those enlightened Christians in USA n Europe do not think so either.

        3)’whacking’ najib.
        he is a public figure.
        I hv been doing it in every blog that i care 2 give my views. i started doing so eversince I was convinced that a massive heist has taken place. d way he has tried 2 cover up or avoid prosecution made me convinced further. n I stand by what I hv said. I hv even made it known 2 ds rosmah thru a letter that knowingly or otherwise, they hv been cheated by d Chinese boy n several arabs.

        4) my political ambition.
        fyi I hv no political ambition. I m just willing 2 offer myself as a candidate if najib is not dethroned b4 GE 14. obviously I will extend my assistance if needed by any other credible candidates. platform, local networking n money is d issue. losing n electoral deposit is a distinct possibility.

        5)readers ‘ comments.
        I don’t accept any favors. pls list down d unfavorable comments that u choose 2 edit. I think insya’allah I can defend my self.

        6)feeling slighted.
        my sentence is very clear. pls read it carefully.

        7)d seriousness of disbelieving d virgin birth.
        oh yes. it is very serious . by implication u r publicly questioning what we muslims hv been commanded by God Almighty 2 believe. its ok if u keep it 2 yrself.

        8)any law broken?
        I don’t know. but surely by disparaging muslim beliefs publicly may land u into trouble wth d religious authorities. Only a lawyer can opine.

        “terlansung perahu bolh balik, terlansung cakap tak bolih balik”

        from yr responses I can derive at certain conclusions ;-

        1) najib’s name is sacrosanct.
        2) islam n muslims r just tools 4 u 2 attack d DAP n d evangelistas especially Hannah Yeoh ( yr mortal enemy). if true, pls stop d hypocrisy.

        I m apolitical n gave 35 yrs of my best life 2 d service of d nation. like any one else ,I will fight tooth n nail if some one attempts 2 destroy it . n I hv been religiously consistent wth my stand.

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        • 103. Helen Ang  |  July 12, 2016 at 1:34 am

          re: “d seriousness of disbelieving d virgin birth.
          oh yes. it is very serious.”

          I’m neither a Christian nor a Muslim. The VB doctrine/surah Maryam do not apply to me.

          re: “by implication u r publicly questioning what we muslims hv been commanded by God Almighty 2 believe. its ok if u keep it 2 yrself.”

          I have publicly stated what I disbelieve. If you think I’ve broken some law, go ahead and state which one. Otherwise stop your harassment. Your behaviour is tiresome and unbecoming.

          re: “but surely by disparaging muslim beliefs publicly may land u into trouble wth d religious authorities. Only a lawyer can opine.”

          You believe in something that I don’t. I believe in other things, e.g. karma, that you don’t or may not. If you do not believe in karma – as one example – are you disparaging my spiritual belief?

          Other Chinese may have other items on their checklist, like white angpow.

          If you have a lawyer agreeing with you that I’ve broken any law in not believing in Virgin Birth, bring him on.

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        • 104. Chris  |  July 12, 2016 at 10:57 am

          Well, you know Dato, although Christians and Muslims in general share a belief in the immaculate conception of Jesus through his mother Mary, they differ quite radically in understanding this phenomenon. For the generality of trinitarian Christians, Jesus is, by virtue of his supernatural birth a part of Divinity; this metaphysical significance is what makes for the validity of his blood sacrifice on the crucifix. Therefore, God the Father redeems all humanity who profess His Only Begotten Son as God (and the Roman Universal Church as his Kingdom on Earth).
          I know that the Muslim believes Jesus’ extraordinary human birth and miracles solely signify his status as the Messiah of One True God sent to reconcile the Jewish people to the Mosaic covenant, and at the end of times he will return to slaughter the False Messiah, who is the perpetual deceiver and master of chaos and tyranny.

          I believe that Jesus Christ is apolitical in the purest sense of the word, but that the intrinsic nature of the Anti-Christ is selfish realpolitik.

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          • 105. trump  |  July 12, 2016 at 4:57 pm

            Chris, you don;t know shit.

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            • 106. Chris  |  July 12, 2016 at 9:22 pm

              Care to explain yourself in less vulgar terms? In the first place nobody addressed you mr. egghead. Secondly, you would do better to learn some civility.

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              • 107. trump  |  July 14, 2016 at 4:29 pm

                chis, go shoved civility up your cina cina babi DAPjjal ass ok.

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                • 108. Chris  |  July 14, 2016 at 9:31 pm

                  Helen, we’ve got samseng trespassers flouting their racist vulgarities haven’t we?

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                  • 109. trump  |  July 16, 2016 at 3:45 pm

                    Who do you think you’re gonna fool here ? You, setem, teh tarik, that fhaahad (adhd ?) guy could all be the same person. You know you are spurting all the lies from the bibile in here knowing there are lots of muslims reading this ? You know its againsts the Malaysian law to propagate your false religion here right ? Whose in the wrong here ? Only cina cina babi DAPjjal je yang sebok menyalak mcm baik mcm korang ni. Masa berlembut dan hormat menghormati bangsat bangsat mcm kamu ni dah habis ok .. bangsarrrttt.

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                    • 110. Helen Ang  |  July 16, 2016 at 4:06 pm

                      Comment above clues us in to why the masquerading RBA are a menace.

                    • 111. Helen Ang  |  July 16, 2016 at 4:12 pm

                      ‘trump’ is an agent provocateur.

                    • 112. trump  |  July 17, 2016 at 1:49 am

                      damnn Helen, I really dont want to go back to Sates.

          • 113. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 12, 2016 at 9:59 pm

            muslims believe that d Holy Koran is d final revelation sent 2 humankind after other revelations were lost or corrupted by scribes.

            Pls read a thesis by Proff Bart Erhman abt d bible. he has since become n agnostic n is actively engaging in dialogues wth Christian scholars. Fyi Jesus as d begotten son has been deemed as n ;interpolation’ by many modern christian scholars.

            Muslims also believe that Prophet Isa is a muslim n will return 2 correct d misconception wth regards 2 His status n d messaged He propagated.

            cheers!

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            • 114. Chris  |  July 12, 2016 at 11:22 pm

              I see your point sir, fervent as a man of faith. And as a unitarian myself I do not subscribe to the Paulinian cult worship of Jesus as God, a dogma that was sealed by Constantine for roman imperial objectives.

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              • 115. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 13, 2016 at 1:24 am

                welcome 2 d true religion of God.

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                • 116. Formerly known as FHAAHD  |  July 16, 2016 at 4:27 pm

                  “welcome 2 d true religion of God.”

                  What makes you so sure? Nobody knows the truth until they die- FACT. Your belief is just that, a belief that might very well be 100% wrong.

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                  • 117. Helen Ang  |  July 16, 2016 at 4:31 pm

                    What’s the point of arguing this?

                    Muslims and Christians have been quarreling over true religion for over a thousand years. Neither side is going to win the theological argument.

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                    • 118. Formerly known as FHAAHD  |  July 16, 2016 at 4:37 pm

                      I agree, and I am neither a Muslim or a Christian. I just think that this arrogant belief that I am right and everyone else is wrong is the reason for a lot of the problems in society.

                    • 119. Helen Ang  |  July 16, 2016 at 4:43 pm

                      Since you claim to be neither a Muslim nor a Christian, then just leave the two sides to their doctrinal bickering lah.

                      I would be more worried about the evangelistas trying to grab power.

                      You may be worried about the mullahs but Islam is the status quo in Malaysia. The rise and rise here of the Christian right is going to upset the apple cart.

                      Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus and Sikhs will be the collateral damage.

                    • 120. Chris  |  July 17, 2016 at 11:32 am

                      It’s really not what you claim to be or not to be that matters – fundamentally. Rather, it is the quality of your reasoning for what you choose to believe in or not, set in a matrix of your personal life experiences. Otherwise, misguided beliefs can be problematic for self and society.

  • 121. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 12, 2016 at 2:40 am

    I pun dah letih nak layan.

    namun saya akan tentang habisan jika agama n akidah saya d sentuh.

    sungguh pundemikian, biarlah pihak berkuasa agama menentu kan sama ada akidah orang islam tlh tercemar.

    saya tak percaya pada konsep karma tapi sya tak hebohkan.

    saya masih menunggu komen2 negative terhadap saya yg u tlh edit. I don’t need yr protection.

    oh b4 I forget pls list down my criticism of najib that u feel is tantamount 2 criminal defamation. I m willing 2 xplain n defend myself.

    tk

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    • 122. Helen Ang  |  July 12, 2016 at 8:51 am

      re: “I pun dah letih nak layan.”

      Datuk bukan ‘layan’. Datuk sebenarnya meroyan tak pasal-pasal.

      re: “namun saya akan tentang habisan jika agama n akidah saya d sentuh.”

      Bila orang sentuh? Kepada kamu kepercayaan mu.

      re: “sungguh pundemikian, biarlah pihak berkuasa agama menentu kan sama ada akidah orang islam tlh tercemar.”

      Kalau diikutkan illogik Datuk, maka pihak berkuasa agama Kristian (di negara-negara yang ketat pengamalan dan penguatkuasaan agama Kristian) akan turut juga mengambil tindakan terhadap setiap umat Islam yang melafaz di khalayak umum.

      Sudahkah Datuk lupa bahawa agama Kristian menolak bahawa Nabi Muhammad itu rasul?

      re: “saya tak percaya pada konsep karma tapi sya tak hebohkan.”

      Tapi bukankan sekarang kamu sudah hebohkan bahawa kamu tidak percaya (umpama saya tidak percaya Virgin Birth)? Adakah anda sedang mempersoal/mencabar satu tonggok kepercayaan dalam agama saya?

      re: “saya masih menunggu komen2 negative terhadap saya yg u tlh edit. I don’t need yr protection.”

      Ikut suka. Saya baru lepaskan komen @ https://helenang.wordpress.com/2016/07/02/the-haters-funding-dap/#comment-176019

      “Latok Lahman masih tunggu dedak dari towkay dedak nama Mahathir”

      re: “oh b4 I forget pls list down my criticism of najib that u feel is tantamount 2 criminal defamation. I m willing 2 xplain n defend myself.”

      Serangan anda yang bertalu-talu terhadap PM cukup ‘notorious’ dah. Malas saya nak layan perkara ini. Bermuhasanah diri.

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      • 123. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 12, 2016 at 10:31 pm

        ms Helen,

        I find yr responses as let down n n anti climax.

        I was hoping 2 read d messages that u hv edited abt me. d ones u quoted hv been answered accordingly.

        u regarded my comments abt ds Najib as tantamount 2 criminal defamation. that is a serious allegation n I wld appreciate if u can list them out. now by describing them as ‘notorious’ is simply grossly insufficient.

        there is this Singaporean stand up comedian that made a joke on Najib. he said ” in Singapore we call thief as pencuri ; in Indonesia thay r called maling but in Malaysia thet r known as perdana menteri ” ha ha ha ! lucu.

        there r some very good standup comedians in Indonesia (eg cak lontong n sule) n they hv millions of followers. God forbid if they also hv similar jokes on our PM. jawab nya hancus.

        u hv declared yr self as non Christian n non muslim .but I hv noticed that u hv been using Islam as a ‘battering ram’ against yr favourite so called enemy, d DAP evangelistas. this is most unfortunate. as a muslim I wld plead wth u 2 stop hijacking my religion 4 yr still unclear objective.

        I presume u r a Buddhist by virtue of yr acceptance of d concept of ‘karma’. I m just guessing bcos there r 2 types of karma – d Buddhist n d Indian version.

        Why don’t from now onwards u use yr Buddhist teachings n principles 2 get at yr so called enemy n leave d beautiful religion of Islam alone.

        tq.

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        • 124. Helen Ang  |  July 12, 2016 at 11:02 pm

          (1) I do not edit any readers’ comments about you. Either I let them through or I block them.

          Earlier I did not approve for publication the reader comment calling you a pemakan dedak Tun. But since you insisted on seeing it (what other readers think about you), I’ve let it pass moderation upon your insistence.

          (2) Wrt your comments that are verging on criminal defamation of the PM.

          I’ve already mentioned that your attacks on Najib are notorious. This is self-evident.

          I’ve also said that I malas layan. I layan you the first time by honestly answering your question about my disbelief in Virgin Birth, and your behaviour in following up has been despicable. Hence I will not bother to layan you again.

          Furthermore, since your Najib-bashing is so notorious, it is my educated guess that you’re on the PMO radar.

          From his track record, Najib is usually reluctant to sue. But he has filed some exceptional libel suits though. When you cross the line that you’re skirting perilously, he may take court action.

          (Needless to say, I don’t really know what the PM would do of course … I’m just presenting you a logical/reasonable premise considering how audacious your Najib-bashing is.)

          (3) Yes, I do believe in hukum karma.

          However the DAP evangelistas are not Occupying Buddhist Temples. There is no reason for them to do so since their party is holding 90-95 percent Chinese support.

          They are wearing tudung and intruding into mosques because it’s Malay votes that they want to fish. I’m not alone in pointing out their intrusion.

          Even the Sultan of Selangor a mere some weeks ago indicated his murka about the ruang solat of the masjid being used for non-religious activities by non-Muslims.

          Furthermore, it is the Mufti of Pahang who said DAP is kafir harbi and not the Chief Abbot of some monastery who is complaining that evangelistas are the enemy of Buddhism.

          It’s clear that many guardians of the beautiful religion of Islam (I’m referring to Muslim leaders and authority figures plus a whole slew of Muslim NGOs) are up in arms against the evangelistas.

          You are not. You’re an aberration (minority who is pro-evangelista) like the Protuns who bersekongkol dengan DAP.

          I recommend you to browse the Isma website to find out the negative reaction and bad opinion of Muslims about DAP evangelistas.

          I can only suspect that you’re harbouring some underhanded motive in your vociferous defence of DAP evangelistas. Rest assured you’re in the minority among Malay Muslims.

          http://www.bangkit.info/2016/07/ekstremis-kristian-nga-kor-ming-politik.html

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          • 125. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 13, 2016 at 12:24 am

            ya ke?

            well I welcome it wth open arms. in fact I m not surprised if I m already on their radar since 2014.

            I hv reminded u several times that I m neither pro tun nor pro jib. I m pro truth.

            by now u shld know my stand on d DAP. I need not elaborate.

            if they visit d mosque, it is 4 d muslims 2 react not anybody else whom we muslims may construe as busy body.

            Hrh sultan made it clear that he does want party politics in d mosque. what more if it involves non muslims. d message is clear.

            wth regards 2 d Pahang mufti, I hv given my views. pls also read d comments of dr Asri ( perlis mufti ) which cleared all doudts.
            fyi according 2 Pahang mufti’s understanding u r also categorized as ‘kafir harbi’ instead of a ‘dhimmi’.

            since u hv invoked d PMO, let me share one of d last messages that I sent 2 d s Rosmah.

            “jgn salah faham.kalu dtn sri lihat urutan xchanges kita selama 2 tahun, tidak sekali pun sya minta bantuan. sebalik nya saya secara sukarela cuba menghulurkan bantuan kpd ds
            Najib ekoran drpd pesan arwah bapa saya yg mengenali tun Razak.

            olih kerana usaha saya tidak kesampaian ,maka arwah bapa saya akan mengerti..

            my sincere efforts 2 assist ends here.

            some words of wisdom :-

            1)kesombongan ada lah petanda kejatuhan.

            2)politicians r just like thieves 4 u can never catch them xcept red handed.

            ini kata2 pakar kriminalog indon proff sahitapi.

            sekian. d Rahman”

            I did not get any response.

            there r a lot more that I intend 2 share thru my article . insya’allah.

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            • 126. Helen Ang  |  July 13, 2016 at 12:41 am

              re: “if they visit d mosque, it is 4 d muslims 2 react not anybody else whom we muslims may construe as busy body.”

              Mais has already issued circulars. Are you questioning its authority or the advice of the Sultan who is head of Islam in Selangor?

              re: “Hrh sultan made it clear that he does want party politics in d mosque. what more if it involves non muslims. d message is clear.”

              It was made clear too that non-Muslims have no business in the ruang solat. Previously HRH had also stressed that the masjid was rumah ibadah KHUSUS UNTUK ORANG ISLAM.

              re: “fyi according 2 Pahang mufti’s understanding u r also categorized as ‘kafir harbi’ instead of a ‘dhimmi’.”

              Your provocation is endless (are you an agent provocateur?) The mufti said DAP are kafir harbi. I’m anti-DAP.

              re: “since u hv invoked d PMO, let me share one of d last messages that I sent 2 d s Rosmah.” / “jgn salah faham.kalu dtn sri lihat urutan xchanges kita selama 2 tahun, tidak sekali pun sya minta bantuan. sebalik nya saya secara sukarela cuba menghulurkan bantuan kpd ds Najib ekoran drpd pesan arwah bapa saya yg mengenali tun Razak.”

              Rosmah pun tak layan Datuk, kan?

              re: “some words of wisdom :- 1)kesombongan ada lah petanda kejatuhan”

              Go ahead and challenge Najib in Pekan. I’m confident you will lose your deposit.

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              • 127. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 13, 2016 at 1:56 am

                pls read n understand d difference between kafir harbi n kafir dhimmi.

                again biar lah orang islam yg menyelesaikan nya tanpa campur tangan orang luar.

                I hv read d royal decree n hv given my views which r more or less consistent .

                yes there was no reply. but there hv been instances where I obliged 4 not quoting her verbatim..

                health permitting, challenging Najib in Pekan is a big possibility if I feel there r no other credible candidates. as I mentioned earlier losing n electoral deposit is no big deal. what is important is d message that we can convey wth conviction n honesty.

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    • 129. trump  |  July 12, 2016 at 5:02 pm

      Im tired of listening Najib this and Najib that. Let me remind you, I hate all politicians, so I don’t care if najib goes to jail, or hell even. I need proper evidence…. Proper. PROPER as one that can be use to persecute him, just like khir toyol and Lim Guan Eng(master shit).

      Im tired of listening to sweet talking politicians or politicians wannabe trying to smooth talk their way into the club (of corruption)

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  • 130. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 12, 2016 at 9:45 pm

    I still remember abt yr vitriolic where u accused me of being corrupt wthout any tangible prove. I hv given my honest reply. n hope it has satified u.

    I fully agree wth u that those people (especially politicians) who r deemed 2 b corrupt must face d full brunt of d law. I hope u still remember d cases involving ‘I no speaking inggeris’ ts Mohamad m
    Mohd Taib n ‘d roving’ ts Rahim Tamby Chik. both were implicated (in Indonesian lingo tersangka) n had 2 resign.

    in ds Najib’s case ,evidences gathered r more incriminating . but having d power of incumbency, he has managed 2 avoid charges being preferred on him. t s Ghani d former AG tried but in d process lost his job.

    it is not a question of sweet talking politicians that we r concerned wth but more so d ones that sweet talk us into a lull while siphoning off d loot.

    will d law catch up wth him ? well only God knows.

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    • 131. RINA  |  July 13, 2016 at 12:23 am

      dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor

      Macam ni la tuan. Kalo omputih dari England, US dan Apek2 Singapore tiba2 teduh isteri you berzina, what will be your reaction? Bulat2 percaya atau you selidik habis2an dulu atau tiap2 hari you mencaci isteri kat rumah, paksa dia bukti yang itu semua fitnah? Sambil tu tiap hari pi bebel kat semua orang yang isteri you buat perkara yang tak senonoh?

      Mana tau jiran sebelah jealous tengok isteri you pakai cincin dan beg tangan macam Rosmah, dia telepon kawan2 dia di UK, US dan Singapore buat cerita supaya you cerai isteri you?

      Kalau tidak mana ke hal nun jauh dari US, UK dan Singapore tau segalanya perihal isteri you? Ini satu tuduhan yang sangat besar, akan meruntuhkan sebuah rumah tangga yang bahagia, bahang tempias ke anak cucu cicit dan keturunan.

      Ni I bagi sebagai contoh saja tau. Jangan silap faham ya.. Kes 1MDB bukan saja you all kaitkan dengan Najib aje habis semua masuk, Rosmah, Arwah Tun Abdul Razak, menantu dan anak dia.. kalau tak silap kucing dia pun semua terlibat tau!

      Apapun, kalau ada bukti2 yang sah…tolong la kemukakan.. zaman sekarang nak menuduh, toksah pakai air lioq sja.

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      • 132. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 13, 2016 at 1:09 am

        analogi yg agak lemah.

        analogi saya berbeza sedikit :-

        kalu u kenal siapa yg merogol anak dara sunti u tapi olih kerana perogol adalah anak kesayangan pihak yg paling berkuasa, adakah u bolih duduk diam n biarkan anak u merana? sudah tentu tidak bukan ? biarlah si perogol kata anak u yg menyerah tapi setelah u membuat penyelidikan yg anak u bercakap benar , maka sudah tentu u akan bertindak utk sekurang kurang nya menjaga maruah keluarga.

        ini lah keadaan yg Negara kita alami sekarang. Sedih !

        kat luar Negara ‘money laundering’ adalah kesalahan jenayah. mereka bebas utk bertindak.

        ‘incriminating evidence’ jelas tapi orang yg nak mendakwa hilang kerja.

        ini lah yg d kata bahawa kerana nila setitik rosak susu sebelanga. makna nya seluruh keluarga akan terpalit. well that is d reality of living in a community.

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        • 133. RINA  |  July 13, 2016 at 10:13 am

          dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor

          ….analogi yg agak lemah….

          Tak payah yang canggih2 pasai burung2 murai, tiong semua tak tau pikiaq banyak2, sekadar pandai bebel apa yg depa dengaq aje. Tuan tau dak, bunyi buka gate, siren kereta pun depa pandai mimik.

          Contoh you kasi kalau ditakdirkan anak you kena rogol, I pernah tengok oghang2 gi kepong tarik keluaq perogol, depa belasah sampai lembek baru panggil polis? Pernah baca surat kabar kat India kejadian kawin luaq kasta depa sampai bunuh (bakaq) pengantin baru – Macam tu kot cara you semua?

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      • 134. RINA  |  July 13, 2016 at 1:14 am

        dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor,

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3676847/I-responsibility-mistakes-Tony-Blair-says-decision-war-Iraq-taken-good-faith.html

        Nah, you tengok sendiri perangai omputih. Bukan sekadar betina SR tau, Prime Minister lagi.. Tu si Bush dok syiok main dengan anjing dia sementara berjuta rakyat Iraq dan Afghanistan sedang merana!

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        • 135. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 13, 2016 at 2:39 am

          tk d atas link d atas.

          tapi saya agak kurang ada kaitan dgn tajuk perbincangan.

          orang amerika juga sudah sedar sekarang bahawa mereka juga tertipu olih Bush n his merry band of antagonistic advisers. he is so unpopular, even pres candidate John Mcairn did not want him 2 join in his campaign tours.. Tony Blair will suffer d same fate – God Willing.

          saya dpt tahu ini lah yg mendorong ds Najib utk kekal berkuasa dgn harapan dia tidak akan meninggalkan legasi buruk yg sudah tentu akan menghancurkan nama baik keturunan.

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          • 136. tehtarik  |  July 13, 2016 at 8:16 am

            Rasa bangga sebab masih adanya orang melayu macam dato yang mempunyai pandangan neutral dan pragmatik.
            Syabas dato.

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            • 137. trump  |  July 16, 2016 at 3:51 pm

              Kau ingat datok ni Melayu ke ? .. kau ingat dia dpt bisness dkt bangladesh tu macammana ? hehe.

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              • 138. trumped up bullshit  |  July 16, 2016 at 5:10 pm

                Mu ni kecek umpama melayu ifrit.

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                • 139. trump  |  July 17, 2016 at 1:47 am

                  Ifrit or no ifrit, kelantanese has the largest pool of jin mat fit.

                  hmm … lets see, buat rasuah di KL, balik Kelantan vote for PAS to cleanse your sins, karaoke di KL then go back to Kelantan to vote for PAS to cleanse your your sorry soul. Thats why PAS will never be the FORCE, cause you’re all weak and sinners, munafik tahap taik… want me to continue ?

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          • 140. RINA  |  July 13, 2016 at 10:33 am

            dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor

            …tapi saya agak kurang ada kaitan dgn tajuk perbincangan…..

            Tu pasai saya habaq, parrot dan burung2 tiong tak tau pikiaq panjang2, sekadar pandai mimic aje.

            Lepaih hajat dah tercapai buat bodo macam Blair…kat sini pun pasai sedekah pak Arab banyak parrot2 dan burung tiong dah terbang entah hilang pi mana?

            Kamu beria2 menuduh Najib ni kamu dah tengok ke segala dokumen berkaitan dengan mata kepala sendiri atau sekadar agak2 aje atau dok berangan diri kamu ni agen popular “James Bond”? Share le..

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            • 141. tin kosong berbunyi tong besar  |  July 13, 2016 at 11:23 am

              “Kamu beria2 menuduh Najib ni kamu dah tengok ke segala dokumen berkaitan dengan mata kepala sendiri atau sekadar agak2 aje atau dok berangan diri kamu ni agen popular “James Bond”? Share le..”

              Indeed then Malaysia’s history will be painted with voluminous chapters about a sovereign wealth creation engine that also ended up as the slaughterhouse of the country’s political roadmap. Whether you put a lid on the stories now with the Official Secrets Act (OSA) or not, history is already being penned and will be read the world over. How sad really, for once upon a time the country was branded as the celebrated and rising ‘Asian Tiger’. – Malaysiakini

              UBS Switzerland bank in Singapore laundered 1MDB money?

              http://www.sarawakreport.org/2016/07/major-exclusive-ubs-singapore-held-the-fake-aabars-account-and-received-imdb-globals-cash-from-bsi/

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      • 142. trump  |  July 16, 2016 at 3:49 pm

        Lucula latok ni, talks about tangible prove … hahaha. These days, one need no prove to prove others as corrupt… and those proven corrupts are being hailed as heroes. (dey .. tak ingat ke .. wheres the prove ?)

        See, thats why all your sweet talk memualkan. Old school, new school. The new generations understands the sins of the older generations and we won’t let you kayu kayu dungu fooled us again.

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  • 143. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 13, 2016 at 12:23 pm

    saya bersetuju saranan ‘buat bodoh mcm blair’.

    lepas d dapati wang masuk akaun peribadi nya, dia buat bodoh. biar orang lain tlg jawab.

    dlm program “nothing 2 hide’ kalu saya tidak silap, tunku mahkota Johor pernah memberi komen ‘mcm mana nak hadir kalu banyak yg perlu d sorokkan.” ( quotation may not b verbatim but d meaning is there).

    AG ghani patail tlh mengumpul bukti yg lengkap (ada prima facie case) mengenai wang SRC yg masuk k dalam akuan peribadi ds najib. tapi sebelum dokumen pertuduhan dpt d serahkan dia d buang kerja.

    incriminating evidences berlambak saperti dlm laporan AG tapi tlh d OSA kan. orang2 yg bersubahat d lindungi. rakan saya d Subuh ( BOD SRC) drpd persara yg sederhana tlh menjadi mcm kassim baba dlm filem ali baba bujang lapok.

    tidak salah kalu kita memberi sokongan padu pd pemimpin, tapi buat lah lagu pak pandir sebagai pedoman :-

    lagu bertajuk “Lagu yg remeh temeh”

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    • 144. Helen Ang  |  July 13, 2016 at 12:34 pm

      re: “tapi sebelum dokumen pertuduhan dpt d serahkan dia d buang kerja”

      Palsu. Beliau sekadar bersara beberapa/satu-dua bulan awal sebelum tamatnya tempoh kontrak.

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      • 145. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 13, 2016 at 1:01 pm

        maaf ms Helen,

        yr info is incorrect. after being sacked he was escort out of his office by security.

        pls check yr facts.

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        • 146. Helen Ang  |  July 13, 2016 at 1:04 pm

          He was the AG. If he was unfairly dismissed, he wouldn’t have taken it lying down as he knows best the law.

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          • 147. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 13, 2016 at 1:47 pm

            once u r sacked wth d concurrence of ydp Agong, there is nothing u can do .more so if u know that they know that there r skeletons in yr cupboard.( I m just speculating here).

            again pls check yr facts. d AG admitted that he was stunned by d sacking. kesian kerana dia dah jadi peguam biasa sekarang – apa nak buat. live has 2 go on.

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            • 148. shamshul anuar  |  July 14, 2016 at 12:45 am

              Abdul Rahman,

              Actually he was not sacked. His contract was about to end already. Couple with health issue, he should not be surprise if his service was ended a bit earlier.

              The job is not a family affair business.

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    • 149. RINA  |  July 13, 2016 at 1:22 pm

      dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor

      Macam bunyi suara parrot aje ni? Macam kaki kuat gossip aje you nih?

      Are you in the investigative team, seen all related documents and interviewed all those you mentioned above personally? Are you VERY sure Najib is guilty? Show us your proof la..POST kat sini DOKUMEN2, buat macam yg oghang menuduh LGE, dia tunjuk dokumen2 berkaitan bagi semua oghang dapat memberi pendapat. Ini baru la cooool.

      Saya tak sokong rasuah.. zaman kamu in service under TDM pun geng kami kaw kaw kena con sabit perasuah2, tau sangat cerita belit2 tu semua. We were helpless tapi Boss perasuah kat Commercial Crime kena cekop akhirnya, pak bai situ pun dengaq kabar diserang sakit jantung.

      Perasuah tak akan lari jauh mana tau, pembalasan selamat tak kena kat dia tapi satu hari akan tempias ke anak cucu cicit dan keturunan dia. Agama lain panggil Karma.

      Tapi ingat ya, FITNAH pun sama berat pembalasan. Jangan dah 13tahun baru nak minta ampun macam Blair, tu pasai dalam Islam Fitnah adalah satu amalan yang benar2 dikeji.

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  • 150. dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor  |  July 13, 2016 at 3:47 pm

    bila pintu hati dah tertutup tiada siapa yg mampu membuka nya.

    saya tidak nafikan rasuah ujud dlm perkhidmatan awam n swasta. ia nya lebih berleluasa lagi sekarang.

    tapi sekarang semua mereka lebih berani kerana mengikuti jejak langkah ketua. ‘bapa borek anak rintik’

    ada joke pelawak drpd singapura – makna pencuri (singapura) ; maling (Indonesia ) n perdana menteri (Malaysia ) sama saja – lucu.

    apa pun saya mengucapkan tahniah kerana puan begitu tegar mempertahankan Najib. saya ada lah salah seorang yg selalu mendoakan kejayaan nya selaku pemimpin besar. malah saya ada menyerahkan kpd nya artikal berjudul “pandangan yg tak d undang” apabilia sokongan terhadap beliau mula merosot mulai 2014.

    pendirian saya utk tidak menyokong nya lagi d ambil setlh mengkaji secara mendalam kemilut 1MDB.

    rumusan yg saya buat ia lah beliau tlh kehilangan ‘legitimacy’ moral utk memimpin.

    saya sedar bahawa dosa fitnah itu lebih berat drpd membunuh.
    wallahi, insya’allah saya bersedia menghadapi nya n menanggung risiko nya.

    saya juga berdoa agar sesiapa yg menuduh saya memfitnah akan mendapat balasan yg setimpal drpd Allah swt.

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    • 151. shamshul anuar  |  July 14, 2016 at 12:53 am

      Abdul Rahman,

      He won the election . So he has the mandate. And despite many wanting the world to believe he is corrupted, many are unable to explain why Justo was detained in Bangkok.

      And many want to forget that a a multi milionaire promised to pay millions to secure documents that are tampered with. No one wants to think that maybe 1MDB is attacked to bring down a Prime Minister. And who is this Clara that is insistent . what she is up too?

      I am not saying everything is OK with 1MDB. But I tend to believe that the uproar is more of a way to force a PM to resign.

      Those wanting to topple Najib will reject whatever explanations. And many do not realise actually the plan is to bring down BN( or more importantly UMNO). What better way than to whack the no 1 man in UMNO

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      • 152. back to the drawing board  |  July 14, 2016 at 11:47 am

        “He won the election . So he has the mandate.”

        He’s effectively destroyed our national institutions which empower free elections to choose a democratic leader.

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    • 153. RINA  |  July 14, 2016 at 9:25 am

      dato adbdul rahman b mohd noor,

      ………ada joke pelawak drpd singapura – makna pencuri (singapura) ; maling (Indonesia ) n perdana menteri (Malaysia ) sama saja – lucu……..

      Dia dok buat lawak kat PM oghang, PM dia mesti dok gelak berdekah2 tiap2 tahun kat pelawak ni,

      ……At present, the son of Singapore’s first Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew, earns about $1.7m (£1.14m, €1.56m, RM5m – jumlah rakyat tak sampai 4juta) per year, equivalent to the combined annual pay of the leaders of France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the UK.” – (Source: Singapore PM Lee Hsien Loong remains highest paid country leader with $1.7m annual salary)…

      Reply

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