Is MCA suggesting a ban on the term ‘kafir harbi’?

July 19, 2016 at 11:34 am 41 comments

In the past, Umno was called ‘kafir’ and ‘taghut’ by PAS.

Were any Umno folks ever killed by any PAS people as a result of takfir (Umno dikafirkan)?

The reaction of MCA to a state mufti’s use of the ‘kafir harbi’ term is verging on the hysterical — as if MCA life members are about to be slain by Pahang jihadists any minute.

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Like a dog worrying a bone

And MCA still hasn’t been willing to let go of the issue.

As recently as yesterday, the MCA spokesman released yet another press statement titled ‘Stop importing words or concepts that may confuse Malaysians’.

In it, MCA Religious Harmony bureau chairman Ti Lian Ker complained about “some attempts to introduce ‘alien’ concepts into our legal system that may destroy national harmony and create disunity”.

Ti is referring to ‘kafir harbi’ but nobody can figure out where in our legal system the term is supposedly going to be introduced.


BELOW: Rahmat Omar Hanif last month admonished that Ti was “blatantly irresponsible” for sharing a fake tweet about a fatwa allowing Muslim men to eat their wives, purportedly issued by the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia (Fact: There is no such fatwa; it was a hoax)


Does MCA know something we don’t?

The MCA Religious Harmony bureau chairman, it would seem, has a long-running battle with the muftis both abroad and local.

Now Ti is alleging that the ‘kafir harbi’ term may lead to physical violence in our country, saying in his statement:

“These concepts if discussed publicly may confuse and influence nubile [sic] minds leading to more prejudices and even aggressions or physical violence along such misconceived lines.

“For example of late some people started to refer to Non-Muslim as ‘Kafir Harbi’ and ‘Kafir Dhimmi’ in a derogatory manner. To lesser confused minds, they may be emphasising on the ‘taxes’ to be collected or ‘blood’ that can be drawn.”

There he goes again emphasizing the act of slaying kafir harbi, which to be fair to the Mufti of Pahang, the latter never mentioned. Drawing the blood of non Muslims is only an inference made by MCA and DAP from the mufti’s remarks.

Does MCA desire a self-fulfilling prophecy?

Ti concluded his 18 July 2016 press statement saying:

“This [discussion on the term ‘kafir harbi] is akin to giving recognition to such concepts whereby there is provided justification to ‘collect taxes’ or ‘drawing of blood’ allowing some irresponsible souls to take the opportunity to seek tithes, offerings for protection, running amok or going into a rampage on peoples who hold separate ideology or faith, etc.”

As objectively as possible and within reasonable context, the Pahang mufti had not been encouraging Malay Muslims to brandish their scimitars. Nor had he been egging them to run amok or go on a rampage.

It is MCA and DAP that have blown this matter out of all proportions.

Lim Kit Siang objects to surah Al-Baqarah verse 120 being quoted in Friday sermons and now MCA is objecting to certain Islamic terminology being publicly uttered.

MCA is becoming more DAP than DAP.

DAP MCA Kit Siang Liong Sik

MCA is chanelling DAP

Of late, MCA has been either siding DAP or choosing to be on the same page as the evangelical party on several controversial issues.

Last week, MCA slammed Umno Youth’s unruly protest outside the DAP headquarters in Pudu.

Umno Youth was protesting DAP evangelista David Nga Kor Ming’s evangelical message on Hari Raya.

In fact, J-Star – the media owned by MCA – had even tried to do damage control for YB Nga.

One of my readers Oik65 @ 2016/07/08 at 9:59 am pointed out:

“Did you notice that in their report on this, The Star only showed the top half of the picture and never did mention the ‘Lord guide our nation back to you’ bit?”

BELOW: Refer the missing bottom half of the poster that my reader said the J-Star had cropped

david nga kor ming lighthouse

David Nga Kor Ming in his Aidil Fitri message had invoked Jesus to guide Malaysia back to him. This is provocative as Malaysia is a Muslim country.

The DAP evangelistas are baiting and agitating Muslims in Malaysia and MCA (through its Nest of Evangelistas media apparatus) is covering up for the evangelical party.

MCA’s cover-up all this while for the DAP has not gone unnoticed.

gunting star dalam lipatan

Gunting dalam lipatan

A couple of days ago, the blog Unspinners highlighted:

“Selama ini, media Cina dan termasuk media kepunyaan [MCA] The Star banyak membantu Lim Guan Eng. Malah ada merasakan The Star dikuasai wartawan pro-DAP.

“Media Cina menapis serangan terhadapnya dari dibaca pengundi Cina dan Cina educated. Mereka pertahankannya. Di mana kritikan dan isu berasas maka susah untuk ditangkis, mereka perlahankan atau orang putih kata play down.

It is due to MCA’s collusion with DAP and complicity in covering up for DAP that the Chinese voted almost 90 percent for the opposition in GE13, and today the Dapster lynch mob has spun all out of control.

MCA owns the most profitable and influential media conglomerate in Malaysia but has not shifted public opinion among the Chinese one iota to BN’s favour.

The Star Media Group, which is fully controlled by MCA, employs thousands of journalists but despite (or rather because of) the extensive reach of The J-Star, the Chinese community is overwhelmingly anti-establishment.

If the Star Media Group is genuinely pro-BN, then how in the world did the Chinese tsunami happen when it is always bandied about that the government press will brainwash the masses?

Instead, the truth of the matter is that provocation by the DAP evangelistas has been covered up by MCA for far too long. It is time that Umno as the BN taiko hold MCA to account.

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  • 1. ZubiZabaZaziu  |  July 19, 2016 at 1:10 pm

    Helen,

    Cerita kafir harbi tak akan selesai jika maksud sebenar datangnya dari bukan Islam. Kafir tu kafir lah. Sama macam Kristian, apa dia panggil muslim ahli syurga ka?

    Perlu diambil contoh tindakan Nabi saw berdepan kafir harbi bagi mendapat gambaran jelas kedudukan harbi.

    Selepas Nabi saw hijrah ke Madinah dan menetap di sana, baginda terlibat dalam peperangan dengan kafir Mekah. Antaranya Perang Badar(2 hijrah) Perang Uhud(3 hijrah) Perang Khandaq(5 hijrah). Jadi,kafir di Mekah zimni atau harbi? Harbi la kan!

    Pada 6 hijrah Nabi saw bersama 1500 muslim ke Mekah berhasrat menunai umrah. Baginda berihram ke sana, bermakna baginda tiada membawa niat untuk menyerang atau berperang(dalam pakaian ihram dilarang membunuh). Namun kafir harbi Mekah bertekad untuk berperang apabila Nabi mendapat tahu Nabi saw dalam perjalanan ke sana. Nabi saw menghantar utusan memberitahu baginda hanya datang untuk menunai ibadat sahaja dan tidak untuk berperang. Maka diadakan rundingan dan selepas hasilnya termeterai lah Perjanjian Hudaibiyah.

    Namun, mereka melanggar perjanjian dalam tempoh tidak sampai setahun lalu Nabi bertindak menyerang. Tetapi, Nabi saw memberi perlindungan kepada siapa yang berlindung di ruma Abu Sufian. Walau kafir harbi, Nabi saw masih memberi perlindungan!

    Malah begitu juga Yahudi yang kafir yang menetap di Madinah, ada perjanjian antara mereka dan muslim Madinah. Nabi saw hanya memerangi Yahudi bila mereka melanggar perjanjian dalam Piagam Madinah berkerjasama dengan kafir Mekah menyerang Madinah.(seakan perlu berlaku pada kita semasa komunis kan! Tapi takpa,itu sejarah. Usah diungkit)

    Soalan nya, adakah Nabi saw tetap atau sentiasa memerangi selagi namanya kafir harbi baik di Mekah atau di Madinah?

    Boleh di perangi tetapi bukan wajib!!

    Kit Siang asyik guna perkataan ‘slain’ bagi mengistilah kafir harbi. Bukan dia sorang, ramai lagi.

    Soalan saya, siapa yang nak sangat nak ‘berperang’ atau ‘membunuh’ ni? DAP atau muslim?

    Apakah muslim dalam negara sudah hilang hak kebebasan bersuara atau beragama? Ini isu agama Islam la Uncle Lim. Muslim tidak soal pun kenapa jamu Tuhan dengan pau tawar dan teh kosong! Itu lagi tak sama-rata!

    Yang pasti, kalau Kit Siang menghalang perlaksanaan syariah contohnya RUU 355, adakah muslim perlu anggap Kit Siang kawan?

    Biar sesama muslim selesai la…. you tak payah campur. Bukan mau tangkap you khalwat pun!!

    Adakah perpaduan atau toleransi antara agama bermaksud muslim makan di kedai ‘serve no-pork’ dan tak makan daging lembu?

    Kemon Kit Siang……akai ada ka?

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    • 2. wawe  |  July 19, 2016 at 9:01 pm

      Kitsial ni memang boodoh. selalu dia beri pendapat yg menunjukkan kebodohan dia, dari dulu sampai sekarang, tak pernah nak bijak.

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      • 3. March Hare  |  July 19, 2016 at 10:16 pm

        Hmmmm, typical malay behavior this one. Alrighty heres your stupid religion

        Crushing a boys arm because he stole a loaf of bread

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        • 4. Helen Ang  |  July 19, 2016 at 10:52 pm

          Malaysia does not practise hudud lah. No amputation carried out here as the punishment is not within the confines of our Penal Code.

          Why do people like you want to pick unnecessary fights? Can’t you leave them be? To you your religion, to them theirs.

          You’re aggravating them and then you wonder why the Malays/Muslims complain about being provoked.

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          • 5. March Hare  |  July 20, 2016 at 12:06 am

            Just reminding them of the dangers of hudud

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            • 6. UltraGirl  |  July 21, 2016 at 1:22 am

              That video is why I will never ever ever be a muslim

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              • 7. RINA  |  July 21, 2016 at 7:38 am

                UltraGirl,

                Alaaaa, hang nak masuk Saudi pun bukan senang. Lagi pun you bukan pembunuh atau pencuri so why worry unless you memang kaki mencuri, takut la…

                What about the articles I linked below?

                Phew! Mujuq toknek kamu naik tongkang mai dok Malaysia and living happily among the majority Muslims here.. Learn how to bersyukur.

                …..klo tidak besar kemungkinan UltraGirl tak ujud dalam dunia ni..

                Reply
              • 8. islam1st  |  July 21, 2016 at 12:06 pm

                Fine. Islam is not for everyone. Lu memang dibuat untuk jadi kayu api Neraka!

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        • 9. RINA  |  July 20, 2016 at 5:44 am

          March Hare,
          Kalau memang celopae, memang sedap mulut klo mengutuk bangsa dan agama oghang lain, ” malay behavior, stupid religion” la macam2 lagi. Keturunan sendiri apa hangpa buat tak nampak or pretend not to know?

          March Hare and MCA should be more concerned about their own practices, kena gi check kat private clinics whatnot, mana tau dalam sembunyi hari ini pun masih ramai dari kalangan hangpa dok amal benda2 macam ni (link dbawah) dalam Malaysia dan merata coghoq dunia. Silap2 dok flush masuk mangkuk jamban aje?

          http://www.allgirlsallowed.org/forced-abortion-statistic

          Isssh seram juga bila baca ya sampai bermillion2?

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        • 12. islam1st  |  July 21, 2016 at 12:08 pm

          ‘Crushing a boys arm because he stole a loaf of bread’

          Ini fitnah jahat. Cina DAP boleh bagi bukti tak? RBA kalau tak fitnah memang tak sah. What a swine!

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  • 13. Melayu Malaysia  |  July 19, 2016 at 1:30 pm

    MCA is still alive courtesy of Malay-Muslim voters.

    Rejected by the Chinese. Don’t be an arrogant basket…better that MCA build goodwill among potential voters, and say your good-byes

    Next election better look for a suitable graveyard.

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  • 14. Mulan  |  July 19, 2016 at 2:31 pm

    Better still LGE mahu lawan rasuah.

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    • 15. Helen Ang  |  July 19, 2016 at 3:05 pm

      Hahaha, typical muka tebal DAP.

      Very audacious. Their Melayu DAP lair and fraud same audacity.

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      • 16. Mulan  |  July 19, 2016 at 3:13 pm

        And this one.
        https://www.change.org/p/a-better-malaysia-30-000-rakyat-want-to-help-lim-guan-eng-escape-his-bad-feng-shui-bungalow-scandal

        Sign the petition. And pay RM10
        “IMPORTANT NOTES:

        1. By signing this petition, you agree to pledge to donate RM10 each towards this cause.

        2. You understand that no money shall be collected from you provided 300,000 people have signed this pledge and YAB Lim Guan Eng agrees to sell his bungalow to us for RM3 million.

        3. Should this donation pledge do not reach 300,000 persons by 31st July 2016 and/or YAB Lim refuses our offer, this pledge drive is deemed automatically cancelled.

        4. Your pledge is entirely voluntary. Signing this pledge does not constitute a binding contract in any way under the laws of Malaysia or any other countries.

        5. No warranties or representations are given or expressed in any way.

        6. This is a voluntary effort for a Better Malaysia. “

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        • 17. Mulan  |  July 19, 2016 at 3:20 pm

          That one is a parody!! Hahaha

          Reply
        • 18. Surrhead  |  July 19, 2016 at 6:25 pm

          thx for the link…i didn’t know such a thing was going on….

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  • 19. RINA  |  July 19, 2016 at 5:16 pm

    MCA yg sorang ni patut masuk kelas Agama dulu, lepaih tu baru la kejap sikit apa yang dia dok komplen. Tau tak bagi kami penganut Islam pun banyak praktis dalam Agama2 lain yang mengerunkan kami. Tapi kami jauhkan diri tak menyibuk, pasai itu cara masing2.

    Contohnya palang salib adalah lambang agama Kristian yang didirikan di bumbung gereja atau digantung pada leher penganut. (Terdapat juga gambaq2/patung2 Jesus di paku/salib pada palang). Oghang yang tak faham dan kanak2 tengok, seram tau. Saya kecik2 dulu sekolah Convent, gereja besaq pagaq, bila kena lalu naik bulu ruma.

    Perayaan Thaipusam depa cucuk besi tembus lidah dah pipi, in a trance nari2 hayun2 pedang. Seram tau macam nak terpa tikam oghang. Tapi kita faham ini cara mereka.

    Apek jiran saya, pagi2 bawa tokong, payah nak cerita ngerinya rupa patung tu, bawa asap keliling kedai dia. Tapi itu amalan dia, dia nak tuhan dia halau hantu2 dalam kedai dia katanya.

    Pokoknya kalau tak faham Agama dan budaya dan amalan oghang lain jangan dok memandai masuk campur.

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    • 20. Surrhead  |  July 19, 2016 at 6:34 pm

      Pokoknya, kalau tanak org lain masuk campuk, jgn dikaitkan org2 tu.
      Masa PAS label umno kafir, ada tak warga cina ambik pot? tak der kan??
      tapi mufti bahlul boleh pulak panggil warga senegara kafir harbi, jadik jawab la….

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      • 21. wawe  |  July 19, 2016 at 9:18 pm

        Sorehead la bahlul. You do not know anything about Islam, why you want to kepoci. Even if the mufti tak cakap pon, the term kafir harbi dah memaang wujud. There are many things left unsaid and untold among the Muslims. Only when the need arises,we made it open.
        The purpose of the mufti is to remind and create awareness among the muslims about this kafir harbi ni. Salah si kafir harbi ni jugak, dok continuously provoke orang. Bila dia provoke orang, dia tak sedar. Bila orang retaliate, dia bising pulak. Typical dapsterism.
        Bila la korang nak dapat kerakyatan dari tempat asal? Ini la sebabnya, cross migration tak perlu digaalakkan, people refuse to undersatnd others’ belief and way of life, sedangkan ia yg datang tempat orang. What do you expect the locals to change and keep quiet when the pendatang provoke them, stupid la sorehead ni. Like I told a kafirun, not to call me between 7 to 8 p.m., dia terus marah2. Pada hal ia yg tak tau org solat masa tu.

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        • 22. Surrhead  |  July 20, 2016 at 2:26 pm

          wawe……..it’s simple, you just can’t label a non-muslim fellow citizen kafir harbi….since there are many stupid people around like the mufti, these stupid people (who are usually religious and easily duped) might take it literally and do an ISIS stunt….keep the religious stuffs, term and prohibitions to your self, don’t try to impose to all in the false name of goodness to the nation. I apologize in advance to blow your bubble, but the fellow citizen’s whom you are wishing to get citizenship from another land, sorry to day it’s not going to happen. They will be here until the day you die and after that too… btw, you don’t have to get emotional when i call the mufti stupid or bahlul, cos it goes by this logic….if the stupid mufti can label other, then he should be able to accept labeling from other too….

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          • 23. islam1st  |  July 21, 2016 at 12:12 pm

            ‘kafir harbi’

            You are what you are. Quran pun dah 1400 tahun dulu dah cakap. Sah. Again and again proven. Apa lagi lu nak???

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      • 24. RINA  |  July 20, 2016 at 1:19 am

        ..tapi mufti bahlul boleh pulak panggil warga senegara kafir harbi, jadik jawab la….

        Hang masuk kelas Agama bole tak? Yang menyebuk dengaq atau amik tau apa mufti kata pasai apa terasa sangat ni? Hal Agama Islam, hang tak faham..dok diam2 korek hidung kamu mana tau keluaq emas kan lebih berfaedah kat hang?

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        • 25. Surrhead  |  July 20, 2016 at 2:49 pm

          Kalau tanak org lain masuk campuq, jgn dok kait org lain….simpan terma2 karut itu untuk sendiri atau keluarga sendiri….sesama Islam pun dah ada sunni la, syiah la, wahhabi la,ni nak tambahkan label non-Muslim kafir la, harbi la, zimmi la…..yg bodohnya boleh pulak buat public statement tang benda tu…jawab le bila org maki balik…

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          • 26. RINA  |  July 20, 2016 at 6:21 pm

            Surrhead..

            Klo oghang lain tak faham bahasa cina dengaq “lu ki talok” pasti dia salah ingat you suruh “dia pi letak” apakebenda? So kamu tak faham perkataan2 yg diguna dalam Agama Islam, you just continue digging your nose…. and imagine can come out gold from there enough ma..

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            • 27. Surrhead  |  July 21, 2016 at 10:47 am

              Rina, kamu masih tak paham apa yg aku maksudkan ni…..kalau kamu nak panggil fellow family member, sedara or any muslim harbi ke, zimmi ke, org takan ambik pot…..when you put the foreign label on people who are not associated with your religion, people get pissed……in a way, they are asking, who the fuck are you to label me?? The mufti would not have been called stupid and whatnots if he jaga mulut dia, kan??

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              • 28. islam1st  |  July 21, 2016 at 12:16 pm

                dah Kafir Harbi nak kata apa lagi? Just because kau tak suka perkataan pendatang, than Melayu kena toe the line and hilang satu perkataan. Kafir Harbi ada dalam Quran. Muslim pegang sampai Kiamat. Quran relevan sepanjang masa.

                Tak kena gelar Kafir Harbi senang je. Stop behaving like one. Mufti cakap itu bidang kuasa dia. Dia advises the Sultan dan Muslims. Yang kafir macam kau nak sibuk2 apa pasal??

                Kalau tak tahu, diam tutup mulut. Belajar la jadi orang berbudaya. Takkan dah 60 tahun ada sini perangai masih qasar lagi kut?? tak sesuai dengan Buddhaya tempatan.

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                • 29. Surrhead  |  July 21, 2016 at 3:15 pm

                  1st….itulah yg ku ckp dari tadi, kalau kau nak panggil bapak ko kafir, org tak kisah…..kalau kau nak nak mak ko pendatang, itu pun org tak kisah…..sebab itu sesama keluarga sendiri dan kefahaman sendiri, itu yg org takan kisah…..tapi bila kamu label org yg tak berkaitan dgn kamu dgn label2 aneh, itu yg org naik pelik,dan ada yg marah ler….Bagi kamu Quran pegangan yg relevan sepanjang masa, sebab kamu di didik dari kecik bab ni…. takan benda segini pun nak aku huraikan….

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    • 30. wawe  |  July 19, 2016 at 9:04 pm

      Anjing dan babi pon kita takut juga. Takut juga kalau anjing tu gila.

      Reply
  • 33. tebing tinggi  |  July 19, 2016 at 7:15 pm

    I used to say MCA and DAP are both Chinese base party ,they make no difference .

    If LKS object to surah Al Baquarah verses 120 ,in a sermon ,maybe MCA would asked verses in the Quran to be change .

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  • 34. Jamie  |  July 20, 2016 at 6:56 am

    again, why do MCA and DAP likes to interpret Islam in the most medieval and literal way possible?
    (because seriously, that’s what religious extremists do too O_o)

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    • 35. islam1st  |  July 21, 2016 at 12:18 pm

      liberal dan wahhabi dan some syiah too are the so called minorities yang nak lawan institusi Islam-common goal. Tu yang flock together! LOL

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  • 36. Sad Baling and Radical Mauna  |  July 20, 2016 at 11:19 am

    “Were any Umno folks ever killed by any PAS people as a result of takfir (Umno dikafirkan)?”

    Yes, policemen and villagers died when Ibrahim Libya, influenced by Hadi Awang’s aggressive takfir rhetoric, resorted to armed struggle. And so was the renegade Al-Mauna.

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    • 37. Helen Ang  |  July 20, 2016 at 12:46 pm

      Repeat question: Were any Umno folks ever killed by any PAS people …?

      It was the PAS people (Ibrahim Libya’s followers) who were killed by the police.

      I believe some officers might have also been killed during the stand-off. If so, they died in the line of duty as uniformed defence personnel, and not as Umno members.

      Al-Maunah – as far as I’m aware – did not target Umno members per se.

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      • 38. sad baling radical mauna  |  July 20, 2016 at 1:13 pm

        Its enough of a justification for them sister, by force of innuendo and association.

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        • 39. Helen Ang  |  July 20, 2016 at 1:17 pm

          What exactly did Ibrahim Libya say he wanted to accomplish?

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  • 40. Mulan  |  July 21, 2016 at 1:30 pm

    In fact why question the kafir harbi term? The same concept appears in Christianity. The DAP evangelicals should know better- ie the term unsaved.

    http://www.bumchecks.com/theunsaved.htm

    Preachers and teachers often speak about the “lost,” the “unsaved,” or “non-Christians,” but who are these people? What does it mean to be lost? What does it mean to be a non-Christian? In simple terms all these descriptions mean people are not in a right relationship with God and they will be punished for their sins. Both the Old Testament and the New Testament teach that the lost (unsaved) will perish eternally in hell, but this article will only cite verses from the New Testament.

    John the Baptist said many “Pharisees and Sadducees” coming to his baptism and he warned that deity was ready to “purge the threshing floor” (the righteous would be separated from the unrighteous). The “chaff” (the unrighteous) would be “burned with unquenchable fire” (Mt. 3:7-12). Jesus said most of the world will fall into the category of being unsaved and this choice will lead people to “destruction” (Mt. 7:13). By “destruction” he meant a fate where there will be an eternal “weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Mt. 8:12). In Mt. 10:28 Jesus further described the destruction of the unsaved as involving both “body and hell.” The unsaved will experience eternal pain, not annihilation. This punishment will be very, very severe; in Mt. 13:42 Jesus said the unsaved will experience a “furnace” of fire. In Mt. 15:13 the unsaved are compared to a plan which is “rooted up.” Throughout His earthly ministry Jesus spoke about the unsaved and their eternal fate. When the apostles began to write the New Testament letters, they also spoke about the unsaved and their eternal fate.

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    • 41. islam1st  |  July 21, 2016 at 11:15 pm

      ‘Preachers and teachers often speak about the “lost,” the “unsaved,” or “non-Christians,” but who are these people?’

      Exactly. I don’t mind. Kepercayaan korang macam tu. Yang Kafirs marah sangat bila orang panggil diorang as such kenapa? PELIK???!!

      Reply

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