Time Rahman Dahlan called a spade a spade, and DAP a dajjal

August 8, 2016 at 3:55 pm 77 comments

BN strategic communications director Abdul Rahman Dahlan was reported by Malaysiakini on Saturday (Aug 6) as saying:

“Since [Najib] assumed office, he has been the most stressed prime minister in the world. Why, because we have opposition who refuse to use their brains. They use only emotions.”

Allow me to paraphrase the cabinet minister above who has been tasked to strategize the ruling party’s communication to the public:

  • The opposition [read: DAP] are super stressing Najib.
    ..
  • DAP are distressing because their Dapster mobsters cannot think rationally.
    .
  • The party and its tak-guna-otak followers promote bikin ikut hati.

BELOW: DAP have trained well their Protun parrots

parrot ani

Delusional DAP and their perpetual hysteria supporters

Okay. Now I wish to elaborate a little bit on what Rahman has said.

Dapster-evangelistas – including their 20k Melayu prepaid blogger who’s the champion whacker that calls Umno a “racist party” – bikin ikut hati and attempt to terrorize their fellow Malaysians into succumbing to negative emotions such as hate, anger and resentment.

This means there is a group of subversives actively coercing the public to disregard facts and figures. DAP and its Melayu DAP media operatives know that by encouraging oppo folks to be hate-filled, angry and resentful will cloud these people’s ability to reason.

People who can use their brain will make judgments based on facts and figures. People who are guided by emotions have no problem if what they believe does not tally with real facts and actual figures.

Since facts and figures are not very important to them, they do not critically sift the information (read: black propaganda) that is fed to them by DAP.

This lack of a filtering mechanism makes the perpetual hysterics highly susceptible to swallowing lies and slander.

Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse

“Devious demonic brainwashing”

FMT reported yesterday, “BN spokesman [Rahman] says Najib is ‘most stressed-out’ PM in the world because of the barrage of slanderous statements and wild accusations from the opposition.

According to Rahman, Najib is ‘most stressed-out’ PM in the world because the opposition (read: mainly DAP and especially its macai — Melayu DAP) endlessly slander and falsely accuse.

Najib is the world’s most distressed PM because Dapster-evangelistas are the world’s most malicious liars and slanderers.

Rahman himself has, every now and again, pointed out lies told by their Dear Leader. Below is one example.

Totally disregarding fact and common sense, Guan Eng claimed that the Lynas rare earth plant in Kuantan is a “nuclear reactor” — see screenshot below.

When medical practitioner Datuk Dr Looi Hoong Wah pointed out that the DAP anti-Lynas campaign was spreading misinformation about “dangerous radioactive waste”, he was immediately savaged by the DAP foot soldiers (read his statement below).

Guan EngVote out BN Lynas

It was hardly surprising that the RBA horde went on a rampage of lies and slander against the good doctor who called out their lies about Lynas.

For too long the DAP bullies have been allowed to get away with the belief that they can simply say anything with impunity.

It is not only the prime minister but our whole country that is deeply distressed by these dajjal.

As the BN strategic communications director, what is Rahman’s strategy to put a dead stop to the pile of lies upon lies perpetuated daily by the DAP dajjal?

Do something please!


BELOW: Hitler too can mouth love-love-love

Hitler children props

By Dato’ Dr Looi Hoong Wah

FAMM, MB., ChB(Manchester), MRCS(England), MRCP(UK) MRCP(London)

Why the Chinese voted against the non-DAP Chinese based parties

The result of the latest general election just showed how brilliant and successful the opposition’s strategy of using the internet is, to influence and brainwash the Chinese population !

In fact, I could remember that it was well over 6 years ago when I first receive one of those propaganda emails from one of my friends. Since then I have been receiving a steady persistent stream of such emails from various sources, the vast majority of which are half truths to blatant lies garnished with an occasional sprinkling of humour.

These emails are multiplied thousands of times and spread from friends to friends and are extremely effective to the non-thinking mind.

With the recent availability of social networks and other blogs, the red guards from the so-called “Red Bean Army” started to invade and flood these sites with their well choreographed propaganda.

It looks like they are using the same brainwashing techniques used by that devious demonic master brainwasher before and during the 2nd World War i.e. Hitler.

Brainwashing techniques are based on the consistently persistent repetition of propaganda focused on just a few issues and continuously repeated in a slightly different way.

The favourite issues used are corruption, abuse of power, religion and that the authorities do not care about the people like in recent case of “dangerous radioactive waste” from a certain innocent chemical plant.

According to Adolf Hitler in- “War Propaganda”, in volume 1, chapter 6 of Mein Kampf (1925)

“But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention.

It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.

Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success.” Unquote.

There are 4 stages in this Hitler type of brainwashing procedure:

1. DISSEMINATION OF PROPAGANDA (usually well camouflaged lies)

2. HARASSMENT OF NON-BELIEVERS

3. INTIMIDATION OF INCORRIGIBLE DISSIDENTS and

4. ELIMINATION OF THE OBSTINATE RECALCITRANTS

The propaganda in the cyber space is, like what is mentioned in Hitler’s Mein Kampf, focused, constant, continuous, persistent and repeated again and again over the years.

It is a misconception to think that brainwashing is only effective in the pre-world war days and that the well educated “well informed” modern man is not susceptible.

We must remember that evolution has practically stopped in humans.

Nowadays every human has an equal opportunity in the reproductive process and as such evolution do not work and the intelligence of the modern man is exactly the same as that of someone in pre-war period.

From what I can see, the only way the Chinese based political parties can survive is to start their own “Red Bean Army” probably calling it “The RED BEETLE ARMY” to chew up the Red Beans!

@https://helenang.wordpress.com/2012/12/07/reason-lynas-protesters-are-mostly-chinese/#comment-34336

 

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Dear Tun, an open letter RM90m “widespread suspicion” against PAS a preemptive strike (attn: Dr Zuhdi)

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  • 1. Mulan  |  August 8, 2016 at 5:09 pm

    Well I want to congratulate Penang and the Penang lang for trusting LGE so well that Penang is no longer the one of best place in Asia to visit. Penang gets to sit the throne for less than 9 months. Congrats. After 9 months now Ipoh with the good work of the Nga Brothers is a better place to visit.

    http://limsiansee.blogspot.my/2016/07/dap-penang-if-you-repeat-them-enough.html?m=1

    “Even the Lonely Planet stating Penang is a top tourist destination last year in 2015 was much trumpeted by Lim Guan Eng but he remained strangely silent about Lonely Planet latest 2016 list which had Ipoh at number 6 of top 10 places to visit while Penang had dropped off the list.”

    https://scontent-kul1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13707563_1829842933901159_8062955444429820734_n.jpg?oh=3fe41bc44fdfd2b48e23f8b0e3452e20&oe=582A41A3

    I am sure the Penang lang will say that Jho Low used “his” money to buy the stupid Lonely Planet editors.

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    • 2. Kineas1067  |  August 8, 2016 at 9:07 pm

      Lonely Planet is a travel guide for the budget travel & backpacker tourists. Not exactly the goto travel guide for the business & high-end travellers – the ones that Tourism Malaysia and every other tourism authority is trying to attract. Like tourists from China with their tremendous spending power.

      Anyway, lists of the top travel destinations are a dime a dozen. Besides Lonely Planet, there are others equally reputable – like Travel & Leisure or Business Traveller.

      It is like rankings of the top airlines & airports. Like why MAS is not in the Skytrax top 10 airlines list. Or like why KLIA is consistently ranked below Changi Airport, Hong Kong Airport & Incheon Airport.

      Btw, TripAdvisor.com didn’t include any Malaysian destination in it’s top 25 travel destinations for 2016. Are you then going to rubbish TripAdvisor.com for being biased against Malaysia?

      But I might agree with you that Penang is getting expensive and that Penang real estate is moving upmarket. Much like most cities where there is international demand – Sydney, London, Singapore, New York, Vancouver, San Francisco etc.

      It’s a question of supply & demand.

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    • 3. HY  |  August 8, 2016 at 9:42 pm

      i oso add on some thought. I think the 2015 top 10 n the 2016 top 10 is totally on different criteria, i think no cities in 2015 list remain in 2016, in short, i believe the 2 is totally diff listing. lim sian see writes stupid thing most of the time, just like one kt cite the mt dap basher edwin jansz to spin on pkr when it suit him, is this a trait of those from penang, always spin?

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      • 4. tehtarik  |  August 9, 2016 at 9:20 am

        Lim Sian See = dedak eater

        So actually it is quite natural to get these nonsense from a DE. Similar to HA and the political prostitute Joceline.

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  • 5. March Hare  |  August 8, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    This is a good video, I must say

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    • 6. Formerly known as FHAAHD  |  August 8, 2016 at 8:06 pm

      March Hare,

      Here’s a video of them behaving like barbarians in Sydney because some dude in the States insulted their prophet. It’s no wonder guys like Trump etc get so much of support.

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      • 7. Keris  |  August 9, 2016 at 9:42 am

        The Wahhabis are on the warpath against all civil societies everywhere. They are entrenched in Sydney through Saudi-sponsored mosques and madrasahs through past decades. Supposedly, to erect an Islamic state according to their idiosyncratic interpretation of the Islamic scriptures. Along the way, innocent human beings – non-muslims and muslims – become the objects of their vilification and the victims of their violent radicalization.
        Indonesian armed forces just killed the ISIS leader in Indonesia – Santoso Abu Wardah – who operated from Sulawesi. The terrorists had been terrorizing ordinary citizens and attacking the police.
        Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has been sent as a mercy for all the worlds. Right and wrong are as clear as day and night for those who purify their hearts from evil inclinations.

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        • 8. Helen Ang  |  August 9, 2016 at 10:13 am

          re: “Along the way, innocent human beings – non-muslims and muslims – become the objects of their vilification and the victims of their violent radicalization.”

          Ditto DAP leaving a trail of innocent human beings who are victims of their vilification, slander, concocted stories and violent radicalization.

          re: “Right and wrong are as clear as day and night for those who purify their hearts from evi inclinations.”

          The devil is DAP

          DAP is ‘D’ajjal

          ‘D’ + evil = devil

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      • 9. Raj  |  August 9, 2016 at 5:43 pm

        Funny Christians get upset about anything but you like to whine about the prophet ( saw) why not find something to do hypocrite

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    • 10. Raj  |  August 8, 2016 at 8:07 pm

      Not really

      various unauthenticated sources I got sick listening to it but there is quite a few authentic sources about Christianity or Saulist’s as I like to call you lot.

      Question why do “Christians” have an obsession with the supposed violence by Islam? Is it to deflect the actual violence by Christians? Why not ask the Mexicans how Christinao Fascism arrived there :P

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      • 11. Kineas1067  |  August 8, 2016 at 10:29 pm

        Or how Islam was spread by fire & sword from Arabia to Constantinople and the shores of Europe. Was that all peaceful and lovey-dovey?

        Just saying, is all.

        Or how about the violence perpetrated by Hindus in India against Muslims, Christians and Dalits?

        An “obsession with violence”, as you put it?

        We won’t even mention the authenticated and documented acts of violence by the Taliban, Boko Haram and ISIS.

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        • 12. Raj  |  August 9, 2016 at 5:48 pm

          Wow boko haram who cant pray Isis who magically avoid zion land and Taliban who are fighting for sovereignty what an amazing bore do you twits have anything new?

          Yes christianity was spread by the sword Islam was spread by word if the creator.

          Mongols who conquered muslim lands became muslims Malaya and Indonesia came to islam via trade what fire and sword dopey?

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          • 13. Formerly known as FHAAHD  |  August 9, 2016 at 10:38 pm

            Raj needs a hug.

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            • 14. Raj  |  August 12, 2016 at 9:14 am

              Not from you you insult someone then become shocked by the response

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              • 15. Formerly known as FHAAHD  |  August 12, 2016 at 12:52 pm

                I didn’t insult anybody, at least not personally. You chose to be insulted by what a complete stranger thinks about a religion that many in this world are not too impressed by. If I don’t like a particular ideology, that’s my business and I should be able to express how I feel about it. If you take it as an insult, it’s ultimately not my problem.

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                • 16. Helen Ang  |  August 12, 2016 at 1:23 pm

                  Re: “If I don’t like a particular ideology, that’s my business and I should be able to express how I feel about it.”

                  And if some sections of the public don’t like how you’re showing your contempt for Islam, then it too is within their rights to express how they feel about you. It’s only fair that they give you back as good.

                  (This is the logic of the absolute freedom to insult that you’re espousing.)

                  Re: “If you take it as an insult, it’s ultimately not my problem.”

                  If you insist on wanting to gratuitously insult the Muslims, then tit for tat, ya, when they insult you back. Stop crying “racist”, “extremist”, “bigot”, “hater” … ‘cos it’s clear that you and your lot are deliberately provoking.

                  So you pick a fight with them, and if they retaliate against you, it’s ultimately not our (onlookers) problem. You buat, you tanggung sendiri.

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                  • 17. Formerly known as FHAAHD  |  August 12, 2016 at 2:21 pm

                    “IF you insist on wanting to gratuitously insult the Muslims, then tit for tat, ya, when they insult you back. Stop crying “racist”, “extremist”, “bigot”, “hater””

                    Helen, enough with your babysitting of Muslims. It’s really pretty pathetic and you are becoming a joke.

                    When did I ever accuse Muslims on a whole of being racists? Stop lying even though you are great at it. I have only called Malays racists.

                    “So you pick a fight with them, and if they retaliate against you, it’s ultimately not our (onlookers) problem. You buat, you tanggung sendiri.”

                    Once again, when did I ever say that they could not insult me back? All I stated to Raj was the fact that he chose to be insulted by a comment that a complete stranger made about a belief system. Since he’s clearly insulted, I welcome his retaliation. Try to keep up, will you.

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                    • 18. Helen Ang  |  August 12, 2016 at 4:20 pm

                      Re: “Helen, enough with your babysitting of Muslims.”

                      On the contrary, the Muslims and I (the 5% Chinese) just so happen to share a common cause in that we’re sick and tired of people like you.

                      Re: “It’s really pretty pathetic and you are becoming a joke.”

                      You are increasingly being provocative and becoming a menace.

                      Re: “When did I ever accuse Muslims on a whole of being racists? Stop lying even though you are great at it. I have only called Malays racists.”

                      In Malaysia, Malays are ‘all’ Muslims. And you been flinging all kinds of negatives at Islam. So don’t pretend that you can insult the religion (which you tern “ideology”) without insulting adherents of the faith at the same time.

                      Re: “Once again, when did I ever say that they could not insult me back?”

                      Yes, they can insult you back but what makes you think that insulting them is acceptable behavior and will be pateintly tolerated?

                      Re: “All I stated to Raj was the fact that he chose to be insulted by a comment that a complete stranger made about a belief system.”

                      You’re pushing it. Cari pasal jer.

                      Re: “Since he’s clearly insulted, I welcome his retaliation. Try to keep up, will you.”

                      I see that you’re an Alvin wannabe. Up to you lah. On my blog there are boundaries on what I will allow to get through. In the brick and mortar world, I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re practically inviting someone to punch you in the face.

                    • 19. Kineas1067  |  August 12, 2016 at 4:35 pm

                      It’s very simple, FHAAHD. This blogger believes that her blog gives her untrammelled rights to criticise, denigrate & demonise (Christian) “evangelistas. Witness the profligate abandon with which she flings the “dajjal” epithet around.

                      It’s a clear case of double standards. Like when she refuses to condemn ISIS & it’s offshoots specifically & outright when all the region’s security agencies are targetting that organisation.

                      Why? I don’t believe that she is dumb or ignorant or that she doesn’t read reports about ISIS in the media (mainstream & online).

                      Or that she is ignorant about realpolitik. Like how she trotted out the reference to “BBC”.

                    • 20. Helen Ang  |  August 12, 2016 at 5:18 pm

                      Re: “Witness the profligate abandon with which she flings the ‘dajjal’ epithet around.”

                      It is indeed the most appropriate word to describe their behavior.

                      Re: “Like when she refuses to condemn ISIS & its offshoots specifically & outright when all the region’s security agencies are targetting that organisation. Why?”

                      Because like China I consider the evangelical movement more dangerous.

                      Re: “I don’t believe that she is dumb or ignorant or that she doesn’t read reports about ISIS in the media (mainstream & online).”

                      The police are already monitoring. I hope they’re equally monitoring the evangelistas.

                      Re: “Or that she is ignorant about realpolitik. Like how she trotted out the reference to ‘BBC’.”

                      What reference did I make to BBC? Pls show.

                    • 21. Raj  |  August 13, 2016 at 10:20 pm

                      I didn’t retaliate though I told you to go somewhere else basically I didn’t think I had to actually spell it out for you.

                      You would be stupid to “accuse Muslims of being racist” since there are many Muslims of different races.

                      I know many Malays they are not racist it seems you are copying Zionist tactics.

          • 22. Kineas1067  |  August 10, 2016 at 12:57 pm

            Wow, your “interpretation” of history is way out there.

            A product of the national education system curriculum, perhaps?

            Are you condoning the actions of Boko Haram, the Taliban and ISIS, seeing as they all use their “interpretation” of Islam to justify their depredations?

            Are you denying front and centre that Islam in it’s early days was spread by fire and sword?

            If you are, then you should embark on rewriting the history of the Middle East & Europe.

            And while you are about it, please tell the Malaysian government that their anti-terrorism activities are misguided.

            I doubt that they’d be very impressed by such views.

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            • 23. Raj  |  August 12, 2016 at 9:22 am

              National education system of the United Kingdom because I am British but you lack IQ to process that information.

              You whine about “national education system” I assume in a negative way yet you somehow got that I was “condoning” these groups? Wow maybe you should go back to school

              You don’t know anything about Islam to tell people about “interpretation”.
              The Taliban are a nationalistic movement who mixed religion for their own gain if you had a functioning brain you would have taken the time to check out the fact that Taliban are also killing Muslim brothers from Pakistan.

              The “Taliban” in fact is a extremely loose term used for any Afghan or Pakistani tribal who wear old rags and turbans.

              Deny something that never happened? You have no IQ you regurgitate Christian propaganda and want to insult me by complaining about my education?

              Non Muslim historians stated that the claim that Islam was spread by the sword was a fabrication of the worst kind real evidence shows Muslim soldiers were required to stay in their camps and NO ONE was forced to revert.

              meanwhile Christianity did spread by fire and sword where people were forced to convert. I am not “rewriting” anything but you are for the sake of defending the most violent religion in the world.

              In Islam a Muslim is required to know the faith of God and understand his message while in Christianity its about the money which is why you people spend more time clapping and screeching about a man who actually condemned you people.

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              • 24. Kineas1067  |  August 12, 2016 at 4:21 pm

                Too slick & essentially evasive.

                How, exactly, did Islam spread outside of Arabia? By peaceful means or by conquest?

                Your defence of the Taliban is risible. Are you condoning what they have done in the name of Islam? Even to the extent of “killing Muslim brothers in Pakistan”?

                Ditto for Boko Haram, Abu Sayaff, Jemaah Islamiya and the big daddy ISIS. All invoking Islam in support of their (murderous) agendas.

                My comment about the ‘” national education curriculum” was deliberate & I see no reason to apologise for it. The shortcomings of the British & Malaysian education systems have been documented, as a cursory reference to Wikipedia would tell you.

                As for your assessment of Christianity being “about the money”, show me one religion that isn’t. Hinduism? Buddhism? Islam?

                And the “clapping & screeching” that you have mentioned – are you deliberately denouncing Christianity? Or ridiculing Christians about how they practise their faith?

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                • 25. Raj  |  August 13, 2016 at 10:16 pm

                  You are a BS’er true to your Christian backgrounds after all Paul of tarsus admitted to using deception to gain converts.

                  I am not going to enter a defense mode so you can deflect your nonsense on me I know what I said and its clear to see/

                  There are many people invoking Christianity but the MSM tends to ignore them ironically Muslims have to defend ourselves when a drunk decides to kill people but devout Christians who kill are ignored so Christians don’t have to defend their “faith”.

                  There is no short comings you are not a clever person so why try to pretend to be? The British education system is so brilliant people from all over the world come to get their education here despite the heavy costs and a anonymous commenter on a political blog whining about his/her hurt feelings will not change that.

                  Islam is not about Money every penny raised goes towards a cause whether its the masjid or to charity Christianity is FAMOUS for being a business.

                  Christianity is a pagan ideology as some Jewish scholars have called idolatry of the worst kind.

                  If you Christians spent more time reading the scriptures and less time “screeching and clapping” you would have left that religion.

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                  • 26. Formerly known as FHAAHD  |  August 13, 2016 at 11:15 pm

                    “Paul of tarsus admitted to using deception to gain converts.”

                    First time I am hearing of this, but then again I know Muslims like to make things up in order to justify Islam’s existence next to the two Abrahamic faiths. Islam seems totally inconsistent with these two religions, like it was almost made up….

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                    • 27. Chris  |  August 14, 2016 at 9:49 am

                      It may be the first time too you’re hearing that Christendom after the 4th century redaction of its dogma under Imperial Constantine had decreed the letters of Paul of Tarsus as Christian canon? – Enter Jesus the sacrificial Lamb of God, nay, God Himself spilling His precious blood for the sake of the world?

                    • 28. Formerly known as FHAAHD  |  August 14, 2016 at 12:23 pm

                      Chris, you seem to have a heavy Islamic slant on it. I.e- total bs and without facts in order to justify what Muhammad taught. Why don’t you use google and find out what people like Ignatius, Polycarp, Justin Martyr etc (all circa 1st and 2nd century) had to say about the divinity that was proclaimed by Christ. You will find it’s totally in line with the teachings that Christians believe in today and not this silly Islamic assertion that everything was altered during the Council of Nicea.

                    • 29. Raj  |  August 14, 2016 at 6:18 pm

                      That’s a silly comment to make considering Islam and Judaism are similar while Christianity is the black sheep and has nothing to do with either religion.

                      You shouldn’t insult Abraham by putting his name with your pagan religion.

                      First time? I think you lie but then again Christians tend to lie a lot it comes natural to them.

                      Muslims don’t make things up like Christianity its always about the truth.

                      Funny how you Christians now all brotherly with the Jews but hated and killed them for centuries it was Muslims who protected them.

                    • 30. AE  |  August 14, 2016 at 9:25 pm

                      Christian makes things up as they go along every step of the way. Three words… Council of Nicaea. This is where jesus deified. Please learn the history of your deceitful religion before you touch other people religion. Did jesus say that he is a GOD? No.. A pagan emperor says so and christian scholar just nod. Just like the new malay expression “macam lembu dapat dedak. Expansion through war is more honest than expansion through deceit and intrigue. At least muslim does not stick to war mongering the way christian stuck to lies and deception from the very beginning up to present time. Just good business, right?

                    • 31. Chris  |  August 15, 2016 at 1:12 am

                      How for heaven’s sake have you detected an Islamic slant to my statement that makes it bs (bullshit)? And for good manners sake you would do well to avoid indulging in diatribes on Prophet Muhammad’s religion as you drum up assertions about ecclesiastical veracity or the authenticity of christological dogma. So you are terribly impressed by the “bishops” Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp of Smyrna. It is well documented that they promulgated the Divinity of Jesus following in the lineage of their master, Paul of Tarsus – which is exactly my point.

                      In his letter to the community of Antioch, Ignatius writes in chapter 5: Denunciation of False Teachers

                      “Whosoever, therefore, declares that there is but one God, only so as to take away the divinity of Christ, is a DEVIL, and an ENEMY of all righteousness. He also that confesses Christ, yet not as the Son of the Maker of the world, but of some other unknown being, different from Him whom the law and the prophets have proclaimed, this man is an instrument of the devil. And he that rejects the INCARNATION (of YAHWEH), and is ashamed of the cross for which I am in bonds, this man is ANTICHRIST. Moreover, he who affirms Christ to be a mere man is accursed, according to the [declaration of the] prophet, Jeremiah 17:5 since he puts not his trust in God, but in man. Wherefore also he is unfruitful, like the wild myrtle-tree.”
                      ___

                      One clearly witnesses in the ideology of Ignatius, a polemical condemnation of other followers of Jesus’ teachings, who are at variance with the christology of Paul – which Ignatius is espousing. And would it be a first for you if I mentioned that Paul of Tarsus was never a disciple of Yeshua (Jesus) the Messiah? Except for his personal claim of a special dispensation from Yeshua while he was blinded upon the road to Damascus, Paul is historically verified as a persecutor of the Church of Jerusalem and the apostles of the lord. After that historically unverifiable episode, Paul’s missionary machinations for his Jesus-God sacrificial-cult religion has become popular culture.

                      Since you harbor a bent for Islam bashing, I find the liberty to point out to you that Paul and his protege Ignatius were the ancient “TAKFIR” religionists: they pronounced others who revere the lord Jesus the Messiah as Devils (Shaytan) and the Antichrist (Dajjal) just because they have their own convictions about what Jesus actually taught!
                      So, before you spill your beans any further I recommend you google your Canon and your Apocrypha.

                      And unto God on High do we commend our humble spirits as we remain faithful to the Lord’s Messiah and his commandments.

                    • 32. Helen Ang  |  August 15, 2016 at 1:25 am

                      re: “Since you harbor a bent for Islam bashing”

                      This (and he) is typical of Cina DAP. It’s a reflexive action.

                      FHAAHD and his ilk are everywhere in peninsula Malaysia.

                    • 33. Chris  |  August 15, 2016 at 9:07 am

                      Well Helen, you know the problem is on both sides:
                      the Islam bashers will lump up the evil muslims with the true muslims when they wallop “Islam”; while the evil holier-than-thou muslims will swear to heaven they alone are the bearers of Islam. I have been acquainted long enough with my orthodox Malay friends to know that Hadi Awang’s 1981 TAKFIR proclamation and its Wahhabi associations has effectively corrupted the traditional Islam of the Malay peoples.
                      It was rather diabolical to watch how the Takfir Pauline evangelism of the Dapsters could couple up with PAS’ Takfir Islamism in their makeshift “tahaluf siayasi” alliance – what sinister dogmatic innovation for the love of the world!

                    • 34. Helen Ang  |  August 15, 2016 at 9:50 am

                      re: “Hadi Awang’s 1981 TAKFIR proclamation”

                      All quiet on that front now. PAS is instead plainly calling DAP “enemy of Islam”. This term implies kafir harbi.

                      re: “and its Wahhabi associations has effectively corrupted the traditional Islam of the Malay peoples”

                      This is sad and unfortunate.

                      re: “It was rather diabolical to watch how the Takfir Pauline evangelism of the Dapsters could couple up with PAS’ Takfir Islamism”

                      Interesting of you to raise the takfir angle wrt the evangelistas.

                      re: “in their makeshift ‘tahaluf siayasi’ alliance – what sinister dogmatic innovation for the love of the world!”

                      Dapsters have alih their rasa sayang from PAS to Protuns.

                      The ‘tahaluf siyasi’ love-love-love is gleefully being recycled so much so that Umno as a Malay party under BN’s formula is “racist” but Tun’s so-called pribumi party under Pakatan’s identical formula is not racist.

                  • 35. Formerly known as FHAAHD  |  August 15, 2016 at 1:41 am

                    Raj, show me one verse, just one prophesying Muhammad in either the Jewish or Christian scriptures and I will accept the fact that Islam is a religion that is inspired. Since Muhammad was instructed to tell the people of the book to consult their own scriptures in order to validate Islam, you would expect Muhammad to be in there somewhere. Unless it’s all hogwash of course. I can find lots of prophesies about Christ in the Old Testament but none of the other guy.

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                  • 36. Formerly known as FHAAHD  |  August 15, 2016 at 3:06 am

                    “It is well documented that they promulgated the Divinity of Jesus following in the lineage of their master, Paul of Tarsus – which is exactly my point. ”

                    Chris, I think you are being a tad sneaky here by excluding the fact that Ignatius of Antioch was actually a student of John the Apostle. Whilst he modeled some of his writings on Paul, Peter and most definitely John had more of an influence on him. Even if he was heavily influenced by the teachings of Paul, the burden of proof is still on you or any other Muslim to show that Paul’s teachings contradicted that of Christ’s.

                    A closer inspection of the bible, including the four gospels shows on many occasions Christ claiming divinity. Let’s consider John 5:18 where the Apostle John says, “Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.”

                    I think the above verse clears a lot of things up. If Christ went around preaching without claiming divinity, it’s highly unlikely that the Jews would have wanted him crucified. Crucifixion was a punishment reserved for the most severe of crimes, and blasphemy in those times was considered to be very close to the top of the list. John 10:33 illustrates this “For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.”

                    Further in John 8:56-59, Jesus says, “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” 57The Jews therefore said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” 58Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” 59Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him;”

                    Unless you are going to claim that John’s gospels have been doctored as well, it seems pretty clear to me that Jesus professed a hell of a lot more than what the Unitarians claim he did.

                    “Whosoever, therefore, declares that there is but one God, only so as to take away the divinity of Christ, is a DEVIL, and an ENEMY of all righteousness.”

                    “One clearly witnesses in the ideology of Ignatius, a polemical condemnation of other followers of Jesus’ teachings, who are at variance with the christology of Paul – which Ignatius is espousing.”

                    You are not wrong here, there were many heresies at the time. Arianism in the 3rd century was rampant but Unitarianism existed from very early on, and we still find it in sects such as the Jehovah Witness etc. Still doesn’t invalidate what Paul, Peter, James, Ignatius and the rest of scripture taught however.

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                    • 37. Chris  |  August 15, 2016 at 4:46 pm

                      Sneaky is as sneaky does, Fad. The canonized Gospel of John is controversial among biblical scholars for its authenticity.
                      You can google for info but you may never get wiser.

                      Ah, now you’re touching on Arianism,and what is that by the way? And what can you tell us about Unitarianism? We notice in you an ingrained tendency to bring up new topics “ad nauseam” to avoid addressing our counterpoints to your prior statements.

                    • 38. Formerly known as FHAAHD  |  August 16, 2016 at 7:58 am

                      “Sneaky is as sneaky does, Fad. The canonized Gospel of John is controversial among biblical scholars for its authenticity.”

                      So, you are going to deem every book in the NT as controversial now? You will have to as they all contradict the teachings of Islam. This being the case, why should anyone in their right mind trust Allah, since he clearly hasn’t got the ability to protect and maintain his own revelations? My original statement stands, Islam can only be validated by coming up with these ridiculous and baseless assertions that the gospels were corrupted.

                      Further to this, you would also have to stop following Islam immediately and deem it as a false religion, since it was your own prophet who was told to instruct the people of the book (Jews and Christians) to consult their own scripture in deciding on the legitimately of Islam.

                      Since this happened 300 years after the NT was canonized, you would have to assume, as a Muslim, that both John and Paul were legitimate. Muslims have no answer to this argument and I doubt you can sneak your way out of this one either. Here’s the quote for you, lad.

                      “Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-livers. (5:47, MP)”

                      “Ah, now you’re touching on Arianism,and what is that by the way? And what can you tell us about Unitarianism? We notice in you an ingrained tendency to bring up new topics “ad nauseam” to avoid addressing our counterpoints to your prior statements.”

                      Is this a joke? I have called you out on your lie about Ignatius’ connection with Paul, have quoted various verses from the gospels to prove that Christ claimed divinity and have stated clearly that there were many heresies at the time so Bishops and Councils had to address these heresies in writing.You are going to have to do a lot better friend, but it;s going to be difficult when the truth is so obviously against you.

                    • 39. Helen Ang  |  August 16, 2016 at 9:23 am

                      My advice to FHAAHD — tread carefully in what you say.

                      The other fella who is my long-time regular commenter likes religious discussion but he never crosses the line. You, on the other hand, are balancing on the wire.

                      Keep within boundaries or otherwise stop the debate.

                    • 40. Formerly known as FHAAHD  |  August 16, 2016 at 9:38 am

                      My advise to you Helen is to stop with your double standards. Guys like AE, Raj etc have been attacking the other religion in a way not too dissimilar to me. I don’t recall you ever calling them out, but I do realise that you love to pander to the majority.

                    • 41. Helen Ang  |  August 16, 2016 at 10:50 am

                      (1) As one criteria, guys like AE, Raj etc do not curse and swear. Even the moniker you’re using now is a four-letter word acronym.

                      (2) Secondly, the Muslims recognize and revere Jesus as a prophet (although not as the Son of God). Hence they do not badmouth Jesus. Can’t say the same for you Islamophobes wrt Prophet Muhammad.

                      (3) Malays/Muslims are the silent majority. However in terms of cyber thugs, Dapsters are the majority while in terms of being vocal and sneaky, evangelistas are the majority.

                      In terms of those engaging in the English language, I am the minority.

                      So you can’t say that I am pandering to the majority. In fact I’m writing from the corner of the 5% against the 95% pro-DAP Rottweilers (bullies).

                    • 42. Chris  |  August 16, 2016 at 12:02 pm

                      Gentlemen, initially this four-lettered Fahd accused me of being a sneaky bullshitter; presently he calls me a joking liar. What? I do indeed feel the tribulations of a believer in Jesus the Messiah being interrogated by a church Monsignor bent upon wiping out heretics (dissenting believers like my humble self).
                      But yet I hearken to the counsel of the Roman philosopher of morals, Pliny the Elder – contemporaneous with Ignatius, the bishop of Paul’s Christology in the 1st century – namely that:

                      malum quidem nullum esse sine aliquo bono
                      “There is, to be sure, no evil without something good.”

                      Why does Fahd insist that I stop following Islam immediately and demand that I should not trust Allah? Now tell me if thou be truthful Fahd: where in our present train of discourse have I indicated that I follow Islam? And pray enlighten this humble creature, what Heavenly Graces you have accrued which singularly qualify You the liberty to dis-trust Allah, O Fahd?

                      Fahd, thou art seemingly the epitome of Solipsism a.k.a. “One Man’s View of the Universe”.

                      But don’t take my word for it Fahd; let all people of sound reason profess their standards of judgement.

                    • 43. Chris  |  August 17, 2016 at 9:00 am

                      RE: “Secondly, the Muslims recognize and revere Jesus as a prophet (although not as the Son of God). Hence they do not badmouth Jesus. Can’t say the same for you Islamophobes wrt Prophet Muhammad.”

                      Jesus, son of Mary, peace and blessings be upon him, is not any prophet but the Spirit of Allah (Ruhullah), the Lord’s Messiah.

                      Imam Al-Ghazali (12th cent.) collected and translated the sayings of Isa Al-Masih from Aramaic – the language of Jesus – into Arabic, the language that superseded Aramaic. Sheikh Ahmad Darwish, Allah’s love be with him, has translated Al-Ghazali’s work into English: http://www.mcleanministries.com/jesussays.htm

                      The Jesus tradition is vital to the religion of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. because it is the Messiah who will descend from the heavens accompanied with two angels of the Lord in the havocking days of the Anti-Christ/Dajjal – who represents the dark power of rebellion against Truth. And Jesus will ultimately slay Ad-Dajjal.
                      Furthermore, Waraqah bin Naufal, the uncle of Siti Khatijah beloved wife of the Prophet, was the chief rabbi of the Ebionites in Mecca at that time. The Ebionites and the Nazarenes were the people of Yeshua al-Masih who had been banished by the Pauline Church of Rome from the Holy lands before the advent of Islam.

                      [from the Darwish translation]
                      “Jesus, peace be upon him, passed by three people
                      whose bodies were thin and their color had changed.
                      He asked of them: ‘What has made you like this?’
                      They answered: ‘We fear the Hell Fire!’
                      Jesus said: ‘Allah has obligated upon Himself to diminish your fear.’

                      Then he went on his way and came across three more
                      who had become even thinner and whose color had also changed. Again he asked: ‘What has made you like this?’
                      They answered: ‘Our longing for Paradise!’
                      He said: ‘Allah has obligated upon Himself to give you what you long for.’

                      Then as he traveled on he came across another three
                      who were still thinner than the previous ones and whose color had changed. Their faces shone like lights as if they were mirrors. So he asked them: ‘What has made you like this?’
                      They answered: ‘We love Allah, the Almighty, the Glorious.’
                      Whereupon he replied:
                      ‘You are the nearest, the nearest (muqarrabin)!’ ”

                      Jesus said, “Worship has ten parts. Nine are silent and the other part is running away from people (worldly cravings).”

                      “When Jesus was born the devils came to Iblis (Lucifer) saying:
                      ‘The heads of all the statues are turned upside down!’
                      Iblis replied: ‘This is an important event – wait!’

                      So he flew to both sides of the earth and found nothing except that Jesus, peace be upon him, had been born and that the angels surrounded him. Then he returned to the devils saying: ‘A Prophet was born yesterday. There is no female who becomes pregnant and gives birth without my attendance, except for this Lady Mary.

                      Be disappointed that the statues will not be worshipped after this night but come now to the sons of Adam and mislead him through his habit of haste and carefree feelings!'”

                      ***
                      wa salatu was salaam wa barik ala Sayyidina Muhammadin wa ala Sayyidina Isa wa ala aalihi wa ashabihi wa hawariyun kullihi. Amin, ya rabbil alamiin!

                    • 44. Helen Ang  |  August 17, 2016 at 9:31 am

                      re: “Jesus, son of Mary, peace and blessings be upon him, is not any prophet but the Spirit of Allah (Ruhullah), the Lord’s Messiah.”

                      Where in the Quran is your assertion supported?

                      Are you skirting on blasphemy?

                    • 45. Keris  |  August 17, 2016 at 7:15 pm

                      Pardon me, but my comment was directed at Chris – I mistyped as my name. It supports his understanding of Jesus’ unique stature as the Messiah, not the Divinity ascribed to him by the Trinitarian Christians.

                      Allah Almighty All-Merciful Alone is the Sovereign of the Day of Judgement.

                      Quran,3: 45
                      “(And remember) when the angels said: “O Maryam! Verily, Allah gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him, whose name is ‘Isa Masih (Jesus Messiah), the son of Maryam, who will be held in honor in this world and in the Hereafter, and of those brought close to Allah.”

                      Quran, 21: 91
                      “And [remember] the one who guarded her chastity, hence We (Allah) blew into her through Our angel [Gabriel], and We made her and her son (Jesus) a sign for the worlds.

                      It is this ayat particularly that has reserved for ‘Isa al-Masih the honorific “Spirit of God” or “Ruh Allah”.

                    • 46. Helen Ang  |  August 17, 2016 at 8:23 pm

                      Then why Muslim object to Christian teachings wrt Jesus’s origins?

                    • 47. Chris  |  August 18, 2016 at 8:34 pm

                      Alright Keris, from the beginning my stand has been that the Catholic Church dogma was a fateful syncretism of Paul’s Christology (developed for over a century after Jesus’ passing) with that of Constantine’s imperial assimilation of Paul’s trinitarian Godhead in the 4th cent. AD. These factors gave birth to what is known as Roman church canon – officially approved gospel writings.

                      Pagan Roman civilization had always been comfortable with God-made-Man mystery religions, such as that of Persian Mithraism and the Greek cult of Dionysius. Paul of Tarsus was a man who dwelled easily among these non-Jews and out of his rather productive long-bred religious psychology Jesus was transmuted into one as essentially God in Himself together with the Holy Ghost.

                      Paul’s disillusionment with Jesus’ direct disciples at the church of Jerusalem is historical fact. He proclaimed for himself a super dispensation from the Lord God to spread the doctrine of human salvation by faith alone in the sacrificial blood of Jesus Christ to atone for all sins till kingdom come. He was effectively therefore, the special one above lord Jesus’ own apostles.

                      And towards that goal the Roman Church also roped in Cephas or Simon Peter into the Catholic pantheon of patron saints. Little however do Christians realize Peter’s Gospel of Christ was discarded by the early Church Fathers (Pauline-Constantine) as belonging to Apocrypha or “rejected gospel works” down to our modern days.

                      Peter and the Messianic apostles led by James in Jerusalem had always been on the wrong side of the Roman-Jewish powers-that-be, whether it was Pilate’s imperial bureaucracy or the tyrannical stunts of King Herod. The apostles were men imbued with the Spirit even as they pursued their mission to purge the holy lands from decadent Roman polytheism which had very much corrupted the religio-cultural beliefs of both Jews and Gentiles everywhere. Peter of Nazareth never ever belonged to any Roman pantheon of patrons.

                • 48. RINA  |  August 14, 2016 at 5:15 pm

                  Kineas 1067

                  ….My comment about the ‘” national education curriculum” was deliberate & I see no reason to apologise for it. The shortcomings of the British & Malaysian education systems have been documented, as a cursory reference to Wikipedia would tell you…

                  Apa kamu dok merepet? masih delusional? teghoq sangat our education system?

                  Habis tu macam mana anak2 kami, a poor Malay kampung girl recently managed (a world price winner) to score full marks 100% for her CAT paper MA2 (Managing Cost and Finance)???

                  Nak tau nama dia hang telepon ACCA bole tak?

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                • 49. RINA  |  August 14, 2016 at 5:26 pm

                  Eh silap kasi contact tadi.. Call Sunway TES if you are curious how your so “bodoh” Malay kampung girl managed to score 100%, full marks tau!!

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                  • 50. Kineas1067  |  August 15, 2016 at 3:08 pm

                    ACCA? A professional accounting qualification. Not exactly on par with a CA qualification, Kak.

                    On par with a MBA degree?

                    What’s your point?

                    And if the national education system is that great, why are there so many “international” schools around? Where M’sian VIPs & VVIPs send their kids to study?

                    Not many “poor kampung kids” get to study in such schools. Unless you have evidence to the contrary.

                    And neither do most of them score scholarships to study in top overseas universities. Discrimination or meritocracy?

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              • 51. Formerly known as FHAAHD  |  August 14, 2016 at 11:02 pm

                AE, three words for you…where’s the proof? You love to bring up the Council of Nicaea, but guna otak dulu la. I quoted Church Fathers from the first and second centuries who all claimed Christ’s divinity. FYI, these people existed way before the Council of Nicaea.You can google what they said if you don’t believe me. Are you going to ignore facts in order to validate your man made religion? Please stop embarrassing yourself unless you can back up your ridiculous statements with at least a few truths.

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    • 52. X  |  August 8, 2016 at 10:21 pm

      The whole world war on terror is a huge slander against Muslims.
      That’s about 15 years of research by CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN
      since the day 911 happened:

      http://www.bollyn.com/9-11-archive-2015-2/

      This thought is shared by Jim Stone (@ Henry Makow). He said this…

      “Now it is axe man in Germany. This is all just a setup for war. Muslims did none of this, all of
      these attacks are fake as fruit loops and staged by people who want war.”

      http://henrymakow.com/2016/07/Terror-a-setup-for-war.html

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  • 53. Abdullah  |  August 8, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    Sayangnya masa isu Lynas sedang hangat diperkatakan, MP MP BN termasuk yang di atas belum dilahirkan.

    Jika tidak, pasti teruk DAP dibelasah dalam parlimen kan Kak Helen.

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  • 54. Abdullah  |  August 8, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    Saya ingat lagi di masa akak gigih mempertahankan BN, isu Lynas, MP MP BN pada waktu itu umpama bayi tiada gigi.

    https://helenang.wordpress.com/2012/03/08/kenapa-ceo-lynas-nak-jumpa-guan-eng-pula/

    credit untuk Kak Helen yang rajin membaca dan membuat tinjauan.

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    • 55. shamshul anuar  |  August 8, 2016 at 11:24 pm

      Abdullah,

      Actually it is not that difficult to deal with DAP. Use the only language that DAP understands: firmness and zero tolerance on garbages .

      I said many times that refusal to act is a sign of weakness. Remember Penang initiated security force that is not loyal to Yang DiPertuan Agung. Security matters are strictly under purview of Federal officialdom.

      What was the government of the day response? A very muted one. Why no punishment against Guan Eng?

      When we refuse to act on disobedience, we are actually sending a wrong message

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      • 56. Kineas1067  |  August 9, 2016 at 7:32 pm

        So what if the voters keep on electing LGE?

        Are you suggesting that their choice, exercised through the ballot box, should be disrespected or tossed aside because the powers that be are displeased?

        That’s the thin edge of the wedge.

        Gandhi and Martin. Luther King were also “disobedient” facing the established laws of their time.

        Weren’t they?

        And they were unelected!!!

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        • 57. shamshul anuar  |  August 11, 2016 at 11:08 am

          kINEAS1067,

          No.

          Their choices should be respected. And you too must show respect to the fact that UMNO earns the mandate by winning the election. Meaning, it too has support.

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          • 58. Kineas1067  |  August 11, 2016 at 3:37 pm

            Right. The essence of parliamentary democracy. The exercise of the democratic franchise.

            With all the supporting institutions in place.

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    • 59. RINA  |  August 8, 2016 at 11:55 pm

      Abdullah

      Oghang Kota Belut dok bangku sekolah lagi pun mereka dah mula terdedah dalam dunia politik. Tak payah tunggu jadi Adun atau MP, they are very involved. Bukan macam style Zairil atau Dyana, terjun macam magic, masuk bertanding kawasan entah2 seumur hidup tak pernah jejak kaki.

      Cuti2 jalan pi jengok oghang2 kawasan situ ya.

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  • 60. Blue  |  August 9, 2016 at 9:42 am

    Why the Chinese voted against the non-DAP Chinese based parties? Because they know how the malays would react to RMs based on their experience in Penang. Mat Sabu for instance would surrender his pride and the basic fundamental principles of PAS in exchange for PBA director post.The same with other leaders in the state. All put personal glory above everything else.

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    • 61. HY  |  August 9, 2016 at 10:30 am

      amanah is not limited to penang, yr theory is no diff with most of yr past comments, sound very childish.

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  • 62. Mulan  |  August 9, 2016 at 1:15 pm

    LGE main Pokemon

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    • 63. Judge Pao Kaya  |  August 9, 2016 at 8:42 pm

      I see a desperate CM that try anything for popularity. He know who leaks those documents online, try to rectify it through “purge” snap election. PKR hold ransom on that and snap election is a stillborn. Can even pronounce that mastermind’s name properly because it’s mean “stinks”. So you have condemned to jail CM that chase something that wasn’t there. Have Fun!!!

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  • 64. China to the Rescue  |  August 9, 2016 at 5:46 pm

    Brothers, Sisters, strengthen ties and bonds and rejoin the bamboo network. It is the birthright of the Han Chinese, your birthright.

    As for UMNO, well nothing a cruise missile couldn’t fix

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    • 65. Kung  |  August 14, 2016 at 12:49 pm

      – Visiting the Taoist priest Dai Tianshan but not finding him –
      (poem by Li Bai)

      “A dog’s bark amid the water’s sound,
      Peach blossoms made thicker by the rain.
      Deep in the trees, I sometimes see a deer,
      At the stream I hear no noonday bell.
      Wild bamboo divides the green mist,
      A flying spring hangs from the jasper peak.
      No one knows the place to which he’s gone,
      Sadly, I lean on two or three pines.”

      Looking for my advantage upon the Way,
      The sage is absent, maybe I am not ripe.
      Bamboos root in the earth and shoot for the skies;
      Birthing green grass that shelter without gripe.
      My heart has gone off; alone I am left to pine.

      Confucius said: “It is easy to hate. It is difficult to love. This is how the whole constitution of things works. All good things are difficult to achieve, but bad things are quite easy to get.”

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  • 66. Kineas1067  |  August 10, 2016 at 2:47 pm

    Tossing around the “dajjal” accusation when the Chinese are observing the Seventh Month rituals are kind of ironic. The juxtaposition of the two is probably eyebrow-raising in the community, especially those who take the Seventh Month seriously.

    But, then, what’s an odd controversy here & there, if it goes towards fulfilling a greater agenda?

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  • 67. Kineas1067  |  August 11, 2016 at 4:05 pm

    In the Singapore Straits Times (http://www.straitstimes.com) today:

    – “Destroy Abu Sayaff group, Duterte tells army”. According to Duterte, the Philippines risked being “contaminated by the ISIS disease…. I see a looming problem; in three to seven years from now, we will have a problem with ISIS”.

    – “Move to swop biometric info on militants across borders”.

    – “Top officials seek tougher steps to fight terrorism”. This was agreed at the just-concluded International Meeting on Counter-Terrorism that was held in Bali. Attendees included Ahmad Zahid Hamidi, Singapore’s Minister for Home Affairs & Law K. Shanmugam, Indonesian Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal & Security Affairs Wiranto, US State Department acting coordinator for counter-terrorism Justin Siberell along with 140 representatives from 23 countries including Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, the US, China, Russia and Australia, as well as Asean, Interpol and the UN.

    The regional narrative is all about terrorism, ISIS attempts to spread it’s influence in the region and cooperation to counter this.

    In the regional perspective, ISIS and it’s fellow travellers and sympathisers are definitely “dajjal”.

    It appears that they don’t subscribe to Helen’s particular interpretation of “dajjal” in terms of assessing security risks. And certainly not to who she thinks the “devils” are.

    Which makes one wonder just what it is she’s peddling.

    Unless, of course, she disagrees with the expressed views of Ministers, counter-terrorism officials and security agencies on where the threats are……

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    • 68. Helen Ang  |  August 11, 2016 at 4:22 pm

      They are two religious extremes — Isis and evangelistas.

      Isis deploys physical assault. Evangelistas are cyber terrorists. Both are equally destructive.

      Our gomen should start paying more attention to the latter. I do not believe that our authorities are equipped to fight the evangelista terror.

      PAS and Muslim NGOs ie Isma are doing the job. It is for this reason that PAS and Isma are demonized by the Firster media and their sister networs.

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      • 69. Kineas1067  |  August 11, 2016 at 8:26 pm

        The regional narrative and perspectives are different.

        Did the Bali conference focus on “evangelistas” as an immediate or looming security issue?

        Nope. The focus was front & centre on ISIS, homegrown militants, the threat of “lone wolf” terror attacks and subversion through the social media.

        Are you denying any or all of the above?

        As for PAS & Isma, they are quiet when it comes to ISIS. Which is not in sync with regional perceptions of risks & threats.

        So, maybe, PAS & Isma are pursuing their own agenda. While being ignored by regional security agencies. What a comeuppance for the triumphalist crowd!!!

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        • 70. Helen Ang  |  August 11, 2016 at 8:51 pm

          They should. Learn from Big Brother China.

          Isis is an American agenda.

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          • 71. Kineas1067  |  August 12, 2016 at 3:12 pm

            So, are you saying that the US has “conned” the entire region?

            And that regional governments have bought into it’s agenda and worldview wrt ISIS & the global terrorist threats?

            Quick – bang on the doors of Wisma Putra & the SB & tell them that ISIS is an “American agenda”.

            If you feel that strongly about it, that is.

            Btw, “BBC” is not exactly the flavour of the month in Vietnam, Japan (Senkaku/Diaoyu) & South Korea (THAAD). Or even in Indonesia, the UK & Australia.

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            • 72. RINA  |  August 15, 2016 at 9:53 am

              Kineas 1067

              ……So, are you saying that the US has “conned” the entire region?…

              Toknek moyang majority in US adalah keturunan British. British kan kelentong toknek kamu semua bawa naik tongkang supply candu kasi jadi superman coolie dan buruh kasar mereka?

              Thats why it is important to take more interest in history ya… Banyak2 baca dan minum air cukup hari2 ya so otak kamu cair sikit.

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  • 73. Kineas1067  |  August 15, 2016 at 3:17 pm

    Hahaha – so you are admitting that the “con” was successful? And that the US has secured it’s “pivot to Asia” as per the Obama agenda?

    I don’t see Malaysia in any great hurry to tell the US to get lost from the region, do you?

    Btw, I suggest you relook the US population statistics, especially the numbers of immigrants over the years from Europe, the Middle East, Asia and Latin America.

    Maybe history isn’t your strong suit after all. As you have so convincingly demonstrated…..

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    • 74. Helen Ang  |  August 15, 2016 at 4:05 pm

      re: “Maybe history isn’t your strong suit after all. As you have so convincingly demonstrated…..”

      You’re tilting at straw men which you build yourself. Sendiri buat tuduhan, sendiri buat huraian.

      Consistency isn’t your strong suit after all as you have so convincingly demonstrated.

      You claimed that my Malay/pro-gomen readers like to make “extremist” comments but you’ve not produced any urls to back your caim.

      Most recently, you claimed that I quoted or referred to BBC and I asked you to show what story or passage (this is a neutral request) but you’ve not followed up.

      Kejap tuduh ni, kejap tuduh tu. You’re even insinuating that I’m anti-Singapore. But when asked to show proof, always nothing.

      I don’t think that you’re a Dapster or RBA but you really need to raise your game. You’re operating at their pathetic level. Surely you’re better than that.

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      • 75. Kineas1067  |  August 15, 2016 at 5:08 pm

        Nice try, but no cigar….as they say.

        Talking about ideological divides, “dajjals” & suchlike, what are we to make of this front page report in today’s Singapore Straits Times (http://www.straitstimes.com):

        “Malacca man behind terror plots in Malaysia. KL cops say 26-year-old based in Syria using social media to direct Malaysian militants”?

        Quoting from the report:

        “A 26-year-old Malaysian has been identified by police as the man who has been pulling the strings of several militants in the country.

        “Muhammad Wanndy Mohamad Jedi, from his base thousands of kilometres away in Syria, actively uses social media to contact Malaysian militants to plot attacks, or to join him in the war-torn Middle Eastern country, police sources said.

        “Police said recently that some of those nabbed had been using the Telegram chat application.

        “Malaysia is battling the threat of extremism led by the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), with at least 240 people arrested, 30 of them foreigners. Police have secured 48 convictions and 77 others have been charged. Another 59 have been released after investigations.

        “Muhammad Wanndy has already been fingered by the authorities for directing a group of men to plot a June attack on a nightclub…

        “That (a grenade attack on the Movida nightclub in Puchong, Selangor, that injured eight people) was the first successful strike in Malaysia by ISIS, police have said. Late last month, a 21-year-old factory worker and a 24-year-old jobless man pleaded guilty to throwing a hand grenade into the Movida club.

        “Muhammad Wanndy, who is from Durian Tunggal town in Malacca, ran off to Syria with his wife, also aged 26. Previous media reports have said he is based in Raqqa, ISIS’ de facto capital.

        “His name came up again after police nabbed more than a dozen suspected ISIS supporters in several raids over the past two weeks. Three of them had been taking orders from him…..to attack a Johor entertainment outlet……(and) the police headquarters in Bukit Aman, Kuala Lumpur, and government complexes in Putrajaya.”

        So, who are the “dajjals” here?

        The Malaysian police and the region’s security agencies (Indonesia and Singapore) are clear and explicit about the threats.

        Not some bloggers, apparently.

        Incidentally, this report on the Singapore Straits Times front page was juxtaposed with two other reports (“Star power. Perfect ending: Phelps signs off with gold No. 23” & “Date with Parliament awaits hero Schooling”).

        The contrast couldn’t be more marked……

        Reply
        • 76. Kineas1067  |  August 17, 2016 at 3:02 pm

          Well, Helen – waiting for you to “raise your game”. Starting with your comments on the Singapore Straits Times report referred to above.

          Reply
          • 77. Helen Ang  |  August 17, 2016 at 8:30 pm

            re: “Singapore Straits Times report”

            They attacked Movida nightclub because they intended to take out Chinese?

            Reply

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