Betty Chew, isteri kepada Lim Guan Eng, dilaporkan berkata, “Setiap ibu yang menyusukan bayi sepatutnya berasa bangga serta tidak perlu lagi bimbang dengan tanggapan serong segelintir masyarakat”.
Sesetengah masyarakat terpanggil untuk menjaga batasan, contohnya tidak menyusukan bayi di khalayak ramai. Sesetengah masyarakat lain pula – Betty Chew umpamanya seorang Kristian – tidak mengambil endah.
Namun secara amnya, puak Kristian suka menggalakkan orang Islam supaya mengikut gaya mereka yang tak kisah walaupun membuat perkara-perkara yang melanggar sempadan.
Kenapa Muslim selalu begitu sensitif?
Para penyokong DAP berhujah bahawa orang Kristian tidak membantah lambang salib dilukis di atas pinggul patung beruang — lihat gambar bawah.
Jadi kenapa orang Islam perasan sangat serta senantiasa mahu melarang itu dan ini?
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These DAPsters evangelistas can never respect the sanctity of other religions. They will always say “Why we can, why you all cannot?”. Then they will implicate that their religion is more open and more democratic and others are wrong and out of date. They would want you to follow their ways, and their ways are always the best.
To me, they are a group of very sick people, never wanting to respect and learn the dos and don’ts of other religions and their ways are being very provocative at times. They can be very pretentious at certain opportunity to show respect to a different religion but that’s hypocrisy at best.
Stop rounding it up on evangelists and DAP…..people are not dumb here. Religion is easy, don’t make it hard….. All the other religion’s marks are on the bear…even the Menorah is there, and the bears show were in Israel too….and the bears has been to Turkey, India and all over the world…..pls list out if any nation has had any problem with these bears.
If not, this shows only umno Malays have a problem, and something is very wrong with you ways, cos only you have problem wherelese the rest of the the world don’t. Kapish…??
Typical DAPsters argument without blinking an eye for the sensitivities of others religion. I have proven with my statement above. Sick people with ultra kiasu attitude, always looking for a fight. “All over the world”= what bullshit !!!
If you feel there’s a need to be hateful, go ahead. As i have said, only a certain group of people have this problem. Nobody else has a problem with this but only you, and your kind. Go figure…..Rounding it up on DAP is way off que and sounds dumb.
Apa lagi pendatang mahu?
ko tanya la pendatang Helen apa dia mau…….Helen tak kisah dipanggil pendatang..,malahan Helen sedar diri dia pendatang
Everything is possible in free-for-all Penang. From the eyes of every leaders in Penang including Muslims, all religions are equal and must be treated as such. Penang should go one more step by re-branding Jabatan Hal Ehwal Agama Islam Pulau Pinang to Jabatan Hal Ehwal Agama Pulau Pinang so that all religions are accounted for. In fact the exco for Hal Ehwal Agama should be rotated among christian, buddhist, hindu, muslim and atheist, reflecting the inclusiveness of the term “Agama”.
Other adherents, for the most part don’t want a moral police. Its the absolute worst thing. I don’t have a neat theory but observation says that most countries with a moral police (of any religion) is rapidly going down the toilet.
‘is rapidly going down the toilet.’
Haiya, lu sini apa tunggu? Pergi berambus lah!! Lu ingat kita kisah meh??
Those bears in gold paint look kitsch to me, spelling Penang rulers appetite for gold. Unity cannot be splashed all over such an anti-thesis by resorting to cut-and-paste religious symbolism.
Islam tak boleh disamakan dengan agama lain Helen. Ia datang dari Allah dan perlu dihormati dan dipelihara oleh penganutnya. Helen perlu mengkaji dan mendalami Alquraan dan ajaran Islam jika mahu tahu yang sebenarnya dan bandingkan dengan agama lain. Ia ada perbezaan yang amat besar. Orang bukan Islam tak sepatutnya buat suka2 hati sahaja, kerana ini akan menimbulkan kemaharan.
Bukan saya yang sebut kenapa orang Islam mahu bantah.
Ia Dapster-evangelista yang selalu buat onar.
Sebab itu sepatutnya di Sekolah samada Sekolah Kebangsaan, Sekolah Cina, Sekolah Tamil atau Sekolah Antarabangsa mestilah diajarkan dan dikenalkan agama Islam…bukan suruh masuk islam..tetapi tahu …juga mesti diajarkan budaya budaya pelbagai bangsa..
Terukir pada hulu pedang Nabi s.a.w. kenyataan berikut: “Ampuni dia yang menyalahi kamu; mendamaikan dia yang putuskan hubungan kamu; buat baik kepada dia yang buat jahat kepada kamu; dan cakaplah yang benar walaupun ia akan menjejaskan kamu.”
Inscribed on the hilt of the Prophet’s sword were these words: ‘Forgive him who wrongs you; join him who cuts you off; do good to him who does evil to you, and speak the truth although it be against yourself.’
There is no god worthy of worship but Allah, Lord Creator and Cherisher. Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, bearing Truth and Mercy for the creatures of the worlds.
Where did you get that from? Source please.
It was recorded by Imam As-Suyuti, the Mujaddid (most outstanding scholar of the century) in the 10th cent. A.H. in his book “Jam’i al-jawami’ al-ma’ruf bi al-jami’ al-kabir” a book which is much studied in the traditional Malay pondoks of Nusantara.
This hadith was also recorded by Sheikhul Islam Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani in the 9th cent. A.H in his work Al-Talkhis:
“We have narrated in a juz’u (a collection about a specific subject) a narration from Abu ‘Ali ibn Shahan from Abu ‘Amr ibn As-Sammaak from the hadith of ‘Ali ibn Al-Husain ibn ‘Ali, from his grandfather (Khalifah) ‘Ali Ibn Abi Talib who said:
“I took for myself the weapons of the Prophet s.a.w. and I noticed on the hilt of his sword the following: “Keep ties with those who cut you off, and do good to those who harmed you, and speak the truth even if it were against your own self.”
Ibn Hajar r.a. added: “Ibn Ar-Rif’ah said in “Al-Matlab”: “There is an interruption in its chain of narrators but it is supported by the Quranic wisdom.”
Im sorry Helen
But whats the issue here?
“Sesetengah masyarakat terpanggil untuk menjaga batasan, contohnya tidak menyusukan bayi di khalayak ramai”
IS this your personal opinion?
I have to say that’s not true at all; Many Muslim mothers, my wife included, will NOT agree to this.
There’s this thing called modesty covers and it has been in existence for the last 10 years, used for breastfeeding in public.
In fact last year there was a campaign by Muslim moms to change the perception about this.
Do you agree with the record-breaking event in Penang?
I have no problems with it.
because last year some Muslim mothers did the same thing.
because you are missing the point here.
The perception within society is that you are NOT supposed to BF in public at all, regardless whether you are covered or not.
hak ele makcik rina
kau aje lah yg breastfeed, anak2 bagus belaka, kau perfect lah segala2 nya
Wife OP macam laki dia, suka attention tu yang poyo semacam berbangga buat dapat buat depan public!
Breastfeeding is nothing new. Sejak zaman tok kadok beibu2 tahun dulu dah diamalkan. Yang mengada2 peghaq dn tak educated aja tak tau betapa pentingnya kita menyusu anak2.
Muslims digalakn at least to breastfeed their infants for at least 2yrs. Ala aa ustazah tak ajaq ke? Kamu tu laki2 apa tau?
Sah anak2 kamu kuat melalak! Bini kamu mengelabah selak kat mana aje nak kasi dia diam. Haiyaaa, kena pandai la disciplin anak sikit, satni besaq dok asyik melalak macam hang, payah tau. Kekeke
…I have to say that’s not true at all; Many Muslim mothers, my wife included, will NOT agree to this….
Oooit.. I breastfed all my kids. Never in public. Klo gi rumah oghang pun, minta izin guna bilik, away fm khalayak ramai. Klo no choice in public places pun, we make sure to find a proper place and that we are properly covered.
Anak2 you ganasnya! Mesti kuat melalak klo there and then tak feed them ke? Kekekeke
1. Guan Eng pointed out that the exhibition has been held in KL before, why nobody made noise then?
2. The exhibitor is not a local, most likely from Germany judging from their website. I don’t expect the state gov ppl to inspect each bears before approving the exhibition.
3. I’ve seen a Malay woman and a Mid-East lady (in burqa) breast feed in public (just 2 weeks ago in a shopping mall), doesn’t seem to be “melampaui batas” for them. I understand why some women “desperately” breast feed in public – little ones crying uncontrollably due to hunger or having sore breast.
Most shopping malls have baby room adjacent to the ladies toilet.
Baby changing rooms (i.e. changing soiled diapers) – most malls have it.
Nursing + baby changing rooms- only some (high end) malls have it (i.e. KLCC).
So in which mall did you chance upon the lovely ladies?
The issue is DAP pushing the envelope.
Take LGBTs as one example. The US military used to have a “don’t ask, don’t tell” unwritten rule, i.e. if you’re gay and in the army, just keep it under wraps.
In Malaysia, we’ve always had cross dressers and persons whose gender identity are obscured. If they are within the private domain, the authorities might close one eye.
However if you organize gay pride public events (like Seksualiti Merdeka) or transvestite beauty contests, then you’re going to run afoul of the religious agencies.
The NGOs are mounting these type of challenges. And in M’sia, NGOs are affiliated with or supported by the opposition.
Betty Chew appears to be the ‘patron’ of the breastfeeding gimmick. A mother being forced by necessity to breastfeed in public is one thing. Taking part in a mass publicity stunt for record-breaking purposes is a different matter.
The thing is nowadays the opposition parties – significantly DAP of course – are seen to be linked or involved in activities that push the envelope in the name of human rights.
If the liberals push hard enough, they might eventually end up asking for the right to same sex marriage like in the west. However M’sia being a Muslim country has a religious barrier that’s impossible to cross for this kind of groundbreaking to take place.
These NGIs – backed by DAP poies out for political mileage – are causing religious tensions.
1. Gurney Plaza. I’m neither against or support public breastfeeding here, but if new moms wanna do it, by all means.
2. I know where you’re coming from . But what about the poor Malay chap, Syed Azmi? I don’t think he’s affiliated with any opposition members. Do you think he organized the “touch a dog” event because he wants to “push the envelope”? Remember Maznah Yusof ? She’s not a political junkie, just another dog lover.
3. You can say that DAP is “using” liberal Malays to fight this “cultural war” (liberalism vs Islam conservatism) . You said this is causing religious tension. But in the end this “war” will be continuously fought within the Malay community , don’t you think, regardless of whether DAP is around or not?
1. Gurney Plaza is high end.
2. As you know, I love dogs.
But nonetheless, I can agree with the view that Syed Azmi wanted to ‘push the envelope’. Most recently, he was helping some church organize a buka puasa.
3. re: “You can say that DAP is ‘using’ liberal Malays to fight this ‘cultural war’ (liberalism vs Islam conservatism).”
Thanks for framing the debate.
re: “But in the end this ‘war’ will be continuously fought within the Malay community, don’t you think, regardless of whether DAP is around or not?”
It is Melayu DAP at the forefront.
– Zairil criticized need for religion (Islam) detail to be shown on my card and several other Islam issues
– Syerleena criticized Jakim’s khutbah Jumaat and several other Islam issues
– Dyana criticized hudud implementation
– Tengku Zulpuri criticized the Mufti of Pahang
– Even Rara is trotted out to the centerstage by her party when it needs a Malay spokesman.
The Roketkini boys also, quite predictably, push the party’s secular line. It’s part of the DAP’s Melayu-screw-Melayu political agenda.
Bravo Helen! Well documented!
Apart from the ‘beruang’, we now have mufti objecting to Eagle statue in Langkawi and tugu negara. What is their basis to interpret the legality of theses statues according to Islamic principles?
Err, Islam Agama Negara!
Mana you baca undang-undang? Adakah ia bermaksud segala semua benda yang berada di Msia mesti mematuhi prinsip Islam?
“Islam Agama Negara” tidak sama dengan konsep orang yang beragama Islam. Seseorang Muslim perlu mematuhi prinsip Islam dalam semua aspek kehidupan. Tetapi konsep ini tidak terpakai untuk Malaysia walaupun negara meletakkan Islam sebagai agama persekutuan.
re: “Helen, the fact that you are posting the statements of TMJ in your blog shows that you support the single stream school concept.”
Nope. Haven’t you heard that reposting is not equivalent to an endorsement?
I posted because the Chinese are not careful what they wish for. They’ve been egging the Johor and other royalty to go full blown political just so as to smack down Umno. Therefore enjoy lah the fruit of DAP’s too-clever-by-half political maneuverings.
re: “I have few questions and would like to know your opinion.”
I usually layan because you’re civil and don’t go overboard in making unfounded personal accusations. Something impossible for the Dapsters to learn in their forays into cyberspace.
re: “Education is under the jurisdiction of federal government. On what basis/legality TMJ made his statement?”
Food for DAP to remember when they invite royal interference.
re: “Unity under single stream school for what purpose?”
Agree. ‘Unity’ is simply a feel-good buzzword that in Malaysia is not embraced in any meaningful way.
re: “a non-Muslim educated in vernacular school may not understand the sensitivity of fasting, hence he/she sees it not a problem to eat in front of a fasting Muslim. This is not a crime anyway.”
Eating is normal. Fasting is out of the ordinary as it is done for one month out of 12. Therefore the non Muslim, non fasters are reminding ourselves to behave abnormally (for us) during Ramadan by not drinking/eating in front to Muslims.
re: “On the other hand, insulting Islam (eg. Namewee) is a crime and we have due process of laws.”
Can you elaborate what in Namewee’s music video you think has insulted Islam?
re: “Is there any empirical evidence to prove that vernacular school promotes segregation?”
We are segregated, period. The list of reasons for this is very long. VS is one among many.
re: “Or detractors take an easy way out by simply concluding ‘the fact that children are segregated from young age will result in disunity at adult age’?”
Growing up on Penang island, I have been segregated my entire schooling life. There were never more than one or two Malays in my class.
re: “Having said that, is there any empirical evidence to prove that national/single stream school promotes unity?”
You need to question the very foundation of nation-building itself. Ethnically homogeneous societies are the most cohesive (“united”) — like Japan.
re: “Lastly, why the selective criticism on vernacular school?”
Actually Tamil schools are rarely criticized.
SJK(C) are criticized because they cater for the Chinese. The Chinese community is criticized because they produce Dapsters. Dapsters are criticized because they produce RBA. The RBAs are condemned because they carry out the work of the DAP.
DAP is dajjal.
re: “What about segregation on other categories like religion and income class?”
Of course. It is income inequality that should be addressed before the jobless masses revolt (how Arab Spring started in Tunisia) and stick their pitchforks into whomever the unlucky scapegoat.
re: “Even if single stream school is implemented on all stages of education, unity is only fostered from the age of say 6 – 23 (pre-school until degree), a person will have a total of 30+ years of working life. If he works in civil service, there is no unity/interaction as civil service is overwhelmingly Malay dominated. Same case for private sector especially in companies owned by Chinese and MNCs.”
You need to honestly question the basis of whether Chinese and Malays can live together sharing one country.
re: Therefore enjoy lah the fruit of DAP’s too-clever-by-half political maneuverings & Food for DAP to remember when they invite royal interference.
How you arrive at the findings that the statement made by TMJ was due to DAP’s politicking? Any empirical evidence?
re: Can you elaborate what in Namewee’s music video you think has insulted Islam?
Let us wait for outcome of investigation or court trial if any.
re: We are segregated, period. The list of reasons for this is very long. VS is one among many.
Correct, we are segregated. But does it mean Malaysians are not united? (Again, united for what purpose?) If yes, can you give specific example?
re: You need to question the very foundation of nation-building itself.
So is there any conclusive empirical research to proof that VS causes disunity and National School foster unity?
re: SJK(C) are criticized because they cater for the Chinese……..
A case of victimising the innocent. If anyone has any problem with Dapster, please train your gun on that particular Dapster. Leave SJKC and the larger Chinese population out if it.
re: You need to honestly question the basis of whether Chinese and Malays can live together sharing one country.
Mind to explain ‘live together sharing one country’ in what context? For me, I would say: A Malaysian irrespective of race and religion may attend any kind of school, work in any industry, vote for any political party, profess any religion (except Muslims) etc etc as long as no laws are violated. Aren’t these already amount to ‘live together sharing one country’?
re: “How you arrive at the findings that the statement made by TMJ was due to DAP’s politicking? Any empirical evidence?”
I never said that TMJ was prompted to make his suggestion due to DAP politics.
What I said was:
(a) DAP has been inviting royal interference in our politics
(b) Dapsters cheer the idea of royal intervention when it suits their desire, like asking Agong to sack Najib
(c) Now TMJ has made a proposal (whether unrelated to DAP or not)
(d) On the principle that royal meddling is what DAP and Dapsters wish for, then the Chinese must bear with the outcome
re: “(Again, united for what purpose?) If yes, can you give specific example?”
I’m not the one paying lip service to national unity.
The call that I make is for perpaduan ummah. Its purpose is to crush the Enemy of Islam.
re: “So is there any conclusive empirical research to proof that VS causes disunity and National School foster unity?”
Stop putting words in my mouth. You’re beginning to be tiresome. Please comment based precisely on what I’ve actually said and provide my quotes verbatim, with url. Janganlah terikut-ikut gaya Annie pula.
re: “Leave SJKC and the larger Chinese population out if it.”
Correct. The larger Chinese population is 1.2 billion Han ethnics in China and several hundreds more millions of the diaspora. The handful million Chinese in Malaysia who support DAP are a mere drop in the vast Chinese ocean.
Going by what China is doing in demolishing hundreds of churches and removing thousands of rooftop crosses in the past couple of years alone, the ‘real’ representative Chinese people would similarly be aghast at the renegade behaviour of Cina DAP.
Dapsters are not Chinese first. They’re evangelistas.
re: “For me, I would say: A Malaysian irrespective of race and religion may … vote for any political party…”
Correct. Just because some of us who are Chinese choose to vote BN and reject DAP should not make us the target of a smear campaign by the Bintang Lima cyber terrorists.
re: (b) Dapsters cheer the idea of royal intervention when it suits their desire, like asking Agong to sack Najib
Sack Najib due to 1MDB. This is not politics. This is about integrity and governance. If there is indeed any wrongdoing, Agong is perfectly within his powers to act.
re: (d) On the principle that royal meddling is what DAP and Dapsters wish for, then the Chinese must bear with the outcome
I refer to ‘royal meddling’. Certain matters like Islam, appointment of head of government etc, the royals indeed have authority to meddle. But for matters like education (specifically vernacular school), it is beyond the powers of royals. Under what context the ‘Chinese must bear with the outcome’ of a matter which royal has no jurisdiction?
re: The call that I make is for perpaduan ummah. Its purpose is to crush the Enemy of Islam.
You are not a Malay and Muslim. Why you care to make such call?
Back to the question on the existence of vernacular school, I take it that you:
1) agree that VS should continue to exist;
2) parents irrespective of races/religions should be free to choose the desired school for their kids;
3) any attempt to abolish VS must be objected?
re: “Sack Najib due to 1MDB. This is not politics. This is about integrity and governance. If there is indeed any wrongdoing, Agong is perfectly within his powers to act.”
You’re kidding me to mention “integrity and (good) governance” in the same breath as DAP’s demagogic demands.
re: “But for matters like education (specifically vernacular school), it is beyond the powers of royals. Under what context the ‘Chinese must bear with the outcome’ of a matter which royal has no jurisdiction?”
(a) Some Chinese were happily cheering ‘Bangsa Johor’ that appeared to snide 1Malaysia.
(b) ‘Bangsa Johor’ is the brainchild of the Sultan and promoted by his crown prince.
(c) If sekolah-sekolah Cina are eventually abolished to be replaced by ‘Bangsa Johor’ singe stream schools, then the Chinese deserve such an outcome.
re: “You are not a Malay and Muslim. Why you care to make such call?”
(a) MCA has failed in the task, and in fact, is treacherously in cahoots.
(b) I don’t have faith that Umno can successfully crush this particular Enemy of Islam.
(c) PAS is better equipped to do the job of crushing the said existential threat. (Actually Isma has performed best of all but it’s not a big political party like PAS and Umno.)
(d) Perpaduan ummah where the Muslims (PAS, Umno, Isma etc) combine forces would increase the chances of success in crushing this enemy.
(e) Therefore perpaduan ummah should be encouraged for the dajjal (Enemy of Islam) to be effectively crushed.
re: “Back to the question on the existence of vernacular school, I take it that you agree that VS should continue to exist”
re: “parents irrespective of races/religions should be free to choose the desired school for their kids”
Whatever. (Am not a parent unless you count the dog as a proxy ‘kid’. I confess I made a mistae of not sending her to obedience school.)
re: “any attempt to abolish VS must be objected?”
Que sera sera.
(a) Chinese voters created the tsunami of 90 percent support or the DAP.
(b) The DAP insists that we’re bangsa Anak Malaysia and Malaysian First/Malaysian Malaysia. Their Firster ideology claims that there are no Malays, no Indians, no Chinese … all are Malaysians.
(c) If there are no Chinese in Malaysia, then whom does sekolah Cina serve?
(d) Taking the DAP rhetoric to its logical conclusion, Chinese schools serve nobody and thus there’s no reason not to abolish them.
MCA lost in every single absolute Chinese majority seat that the party contested in GE13. It is the DAP that is the voice of the Chinese electorate.
If DAP insists there are no Chinese and the logic flowing from that rhetoric is there is no need for Chinese schools which serve nobody, then the government should give the Chinese voters what they ‘asked’ for through the ideology of their electoral voice.
re: You’re kidding me to mention “integrity and (good) governance” in the same breath as DAP’s demagogic demands.
Have you read the DOJ paper, specifically on the term MO1? US DOJ filed a civil lawsuit to confiscate assets owned by certain individuals like Riza Aziz and Jho Low on the basis that the monies used to acquire these assets were illegally obtained from 1MDB. I am not sure when is the hearing date.
Just like in any lawsuit, a defendant has the right to object. If Riza Aziz and Jho Low fail to contest the lawsuit by bringing evidence to show that such assets were obtained by legal means, the DOJ will succeed to confiscate such assets. Alternatively, 1MDB or Msia government should intervene in the DOJ proceedings by bringing evidence to proof that no 1MDB funds were illegally channeled to Riza Aziz and Jho Low.
If none of the above happens and DOJ really succeeds in confiscating the assets on the basis that “monies used to acquire these assets were illegally obtained from 1MDB”, surely there is a strong basis to conclude wrongdoing (whether criminally or administratively) on the part of Najib (being the chairman of 1MDB advisory board, Finance Minister and PM).
Can you still defend Najib and hold him as a person with ‘good integrity’ with ‘high governance level’?
‘They’ve been egging the Johor and other royalty to go full blown political just so as to smack down Umno. Therefore enjoy lah the fruit of DAP’s too-clever-by-half political maneuverings.’
Haha. Padan muka! Sekarang nak tarik perahu pun talak guna liao. Tergamam MCA and DAP!!!
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