RUU 355: Reps from MCA forget they’re elected by Muslims

November 24, 2016 at 6:09 pm 199 comments

All MPs should remember that they are elected NOT as representatives of a certain religion nor as Muslim MPs but to serve as wakil “rakyat”, lectured Heng Seai Kie in her press statement today.

The MCA Wanita chief called upon all MPs to emulate the MCA and reject the private member’s bill by Hadi Awang on enhancing criminal jurisdiction of the Syariah Courts (Act 355).

BELOW: MCA Wanita reminds MPs they are not ‘Muslim reps’

MCA lagi “jahat” DAP?

See video below where Tun Mahathir implies that MCA is more anti-Islam than even DAP.

Tun said at minute 1:28 — “Oh DAP jahat (mimicking Perkasa president Ibrahim Ali). Baca Kadir Jasin punya komen berkenaan MCA, siapa lebih jahat?”

MCA has forgotten that they were elected as Yang Berhormats by Malay voters, and NOT as representatives of the Chinese electorate, nor by members of the Christian community.

With the sole exception of YB Labis, all the MCA Parliamentarians are MPs by virtue of Muslim support in Malay-majority areas.

Are the interests of Malays and Muslims in the MCA Parliament seats – see pie chart below (blue is Malay) – served in the Dewan by these chauvinist/supremacist politicians misrepresenting them?

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Tyranny of the minority

Below is the list of MCA candidates who stood in Chinese-majority Parliament areas during GE13 three years ago. All of them lost badly, including Datuk Heng herself.

  1. P120 Bukit Bintang: Frankie Gan Joon Zin, 47, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  2. P122 Seputeh: Nicole Wong Siaw Ting, 33, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  3. P123 Cheras: Teoh Chee Hooi, 42, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  4. P124 Bdr Tun Razak: Tan Kok Eng, 33, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  5. P009 Alor Setar: Datuk Seri Chor Chee Heung, 58, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  6. P017 Padang Serai: Datuk Heng Seai Kie, 51, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  7. P043 Bagan: David Chua Teik Siang, 50, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  8. P045 Bukit Mertajam: Gui Guat Lye, 51, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  9. P051 Bukit Gelugor: Teh Beng Yeam, 45, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  10. P052 Bayan Baru: Tang Heap Seng, 56, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  11. P064 Ipoh Timur: Kat Wong Mei Yin, 37, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  12. P065 Ipoh Barat: Cheng Wei Yee, 39, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  13. P066 Batu Gajah: Loo Thin Tuck, 38, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  14. P070 Kampar: Datuk Lee Chee Leong, 56, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  15. P071 Gopeng: Datuk Tan Chin Meng, 53, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  16. P074 Lumut: Datuk Kong Cho Ha, 63, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  17. P080 Raub: Datuk Hoh Khai Mun, 58, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  18. P097 Selayang: Datuk Donald Lim Siang Chai, 58, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  19. P100 Pandan: Garry Lim Chin Yee, 39, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  20. P102 Serdang: Datuk Yap Pian Hon, 70, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  21. P104 Kelana Jaya: Loh Seng Kok, 51, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  22. P105 PJ Selatan: Seah Kok Fah, 49, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  23. P106 PJ Utara: Chew Hoong Ling, 33, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  24. P110 Klang: Datuk Teh Kim Poo, 62, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  25. P128 Seremban: Datuk Yeow Chai Thiam, 59, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  26. P130 Rasah: Teo Eng Kian, 35, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  27. P138 Kota Melaka: Dr Yee Kok Wah, 35, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  28. P145 Bakri: Chris Lee Ching Yong, 37, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  29. P152 Kluang: Datuk Hou Kok Chung, 50, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians
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  30. P163 Kulai: Tay Chin Hein, 45, REJECTED by Chinese+Christians

MCA candidates given a second chance by the electorate are small in number — see the blue column in box at the bottom of page.

It was only Malay voters that kept the MCA still in office. Little did the trusting pro-gomen people suspect how they’re soon going to be repaid.


Google search results

On keywords ‘hudud’ and ‘barbaric’ in the MCA official website.

Click to enlarge

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MCA newspaper campaigning against 355 amendments

(And its columnist openly mocked Najib Razak too.)

Aren’t elected representatives supposed to represent the interests of the areas that elected them?

MCA was put in Parliament by Malays but its belligerent MPs are dead set against the religious aspirations of the Malay majority.

Instead MCA Yang Berhormats are speaking and voting on behalf of DAP evangelistas.

BELOW: Rejected by the Chinese, MCA given lifeline by Umno Malays whose party president is openly derided by the MCA paper’s star columnist Marina Mahahtir as “living in fear

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  • 1. seademon  |  November 24, 2016 at 6:50 pm

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    Helen Ang posted: “All MPs should remember that they are elected NOT as representatives of a certain religion nor as Muslim MPs but to serve as wakil “rakyat”, preached Heng Seai Kie in her press statement today.

    The MCA Wanita chief called upon all MPs to emulate the MCA “

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  • 2. Melayu Malaysia  |  November 24, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    “MCA was put in Parliament by Malays but its belligerent MPs are dead set against the religious aspirations of the Malay majority.”

    Next GE, we will see many many MCA leaders become Senators. Perhaps better they reject it.

    Kalau jadi Menteri pun atas ikhsan…so melalak atau berkokok lah sepuas hati dan sekuat mana yang mereka mau.

    MCA is dead.

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  • 3. Talking Heads  |  November 25, 2016 at 1:48 am

    This hudud bill just a wayang la, Hadi is a naive fool to trust UMNO

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    • 4. islam1st  |  November 25, 2016 at 3:25 pm

      RBA’s at work!

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  • 5. Ayam  |  November 25, 2016 at 5:22 am

    MCA is running for DAP bus.

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  • 6. Setem  |  November 25, 2016 at 8:03 am

    So, now we know MCA’s stand on this hudud bill thing, what is your stand on the same matter, Helen?

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    • 7. Helen Ang  |  November 25, 2016 at 9:44 am

      Personally I am against the implementation of hudud in Malaysia. Hadi’s bill however does not enable amputation or capital punishment.

      If it is the will of the majority to have the Syariah Court enhanced, then we have to adhere to democratic processes.

      As I’ve said above, MCA Yang Berhormats should represent the will of their Muslim constituency — the Malay voters who put them in Parliament.

      MCA pretends to be a loyal component of the BN but keeps mounting sneak attacks on the establishment, esp. its supposedly pro-gomen media mouthpiece. In reality, The J-Star is pro-oppo and helps the hypocritical evangelistas perpetrate their fraudulent portrayal of the DAP as Islam-friendly.

      Your question on honestly stating our stand on hudud is best directed at the hijab-wearing Hannah Yeoh.

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      • 8. Mulan  |  November 25, 2016 at 1:01 pm

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        • 9. Helen Ang  |  November 25, 2016 at 1:19 pm

          Mulan,

          What’s your opinion about Ahok being charged for blasphemy?

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          • 10. Mulan  |  November 25, 2016 at 1:27 pm

            I better not comment.

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            • 11. HY  |  November 25, 2016 at 7:14 pm

              comment la sikit, ahok speak indon better than many indon u know?

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              • 12. Mulan  |  November 26, 2016 at 1:55 pm

                Boleh bilang berapa ramai orang Indonesia yang bapak benar-benar kenal? Pembantu rumah Indonesia tidak termasuk dong.

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        • 13. Kung  |  November 26, 2016 at 8:49 am

          Mr. Hadi Awang remind me of the Chinese legalist ideology of Han Feizi – which is direct opposition to the virtue teachings of Confucius. Mr. Hadi for a long time show commitment to punishing human beings to achieve social objectives. The last time China experienced the legalism ideology was when Mao executed his cruel cultural revolution. Please see this video and understand why classical Chinese people is against the Han Feizi legalism reward-punishment ideology.

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      • 14. Mulan  |  November 25, 2016 at 1:55 pm

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        • 15. Mulan  |  November 25, 2016 at 1:57 pm

          Anyway Hannah Yeoh has gone for a sexy look on Twitter.

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          • 16. Helen Ang  |  November 25, 2016 at 5:38 pm

            DAP’s New Politics mah. They gotta resort to soc-med image enhancement and personality cult because they got no principles nor policies.

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            • 17. Mulan  |  November 26, 2016 at 1:57 pm

              And the case of political Christianity
              http://www.ismaweb.net/2016/11/bersih-and-church/

              Bersih and church

              Gerakan was lambasted recently because of their remarks on the involvement of churches in Bersih 5.0. Hermen Shastri who is the general secretary for Council of Churches Malaysia (CCM) was fast to comment. Hermen resented at Gerakan’s focus on the involvement of Christians.

              The fact that Bersih was promoted in churches and joined by Arcbishop Bernard Paul, shows direct involvement in the event. It should be noted that it is the non-Muslims that emphasise a secular Malaysia and not the majority Muslims. This is despite the Federal Constitution declaring Islam as the Religion of the Federation, in Article 3(1).

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            • 18. Mulan  |  November 26, 2016 at 2:03 pm

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              • 19. Helen Ang  |  November 26, 2016 at 9:24 pm

                Typical of HY to exploit her children for political mileage. How despicable.

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              • 20. RINA  |  December 2, 2016 at 12:35 pm

                When I heard Maria kena arrested I posted this to my kids;

                http://www.lifedeathprizes.com/lists/five-worlds-famous-women-spies-1791

                Klo kita lihat most BERSIH 5 leaders are WOMEN. Ada ura2 berkaitan dana fm Soros, ada yg sekok gambaq tersengeh2 macam kerang busuk dapat entah apa anugerah fm Mdm Obama, ada yg spouses not Malaysiansl origins.

                Issshh, anything is possible.

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            • 21. AK47  |  November 27, 2016 at 3:20 pm

              Ms H. Her countryman and woman got the biggest headlines in Singapore media last week on corporate fraud. There was the Golden Harvest etc. The mastermind said he did not think anyone can point a finger at him ! Famous last words.

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      • 22. Blue  |  November 27, 2016 at 7:38 am

        Helen,

        No need to ask Helen since her answer is a big YES judging from this photo only. She is donning hijab just like virgin Mary. This is the teaching of Christ. The same with hudud. It is also clearly writen in the bibles too. Any christian who believes in the bibles would definitely support hudud. Helen is no exception!.

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  • 23. sickofyou  |  November 25, 2016 at 8:06 am

    Melayu Malaysia @11.27….UMNO is in Parliament because of MCA…..tak percaya ? Tanya TDM – Who helped UMNO during their deregistration.

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    • 24. Melayu Malaysia  |  November 25, 2016 at 11:02 am

      “Tanya TDM – Who helped UMNO during their deregistration.”

      Also please ask who”begged and who gave consent” to millions of then “MCA members to become citizens”

      If you want to go back historically, then by all means study it well.

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      • 25. sickofyou  |  November 25, 2016 at 11:52 am

        Melayu Malaysia….your history knowledge sucks…can’t blame you.
        No begging la….the Brits posed a question to Tunku on the fate of the immigrants before concluding the talks for independence.
        Tunku agreed to accept the immigrants as citizens.
        That is the sole reason for Tunku,Tan and Sambantan to be invited by the Brits to witness the signing of the historic declaration of independence in UK.
        Beggars don’t get invited for such matters.Hope you remove all those tinted gloss before you start understanding history, let alone reading history.
        And I am 72 years old this year.

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        • 26. islam1st  |  November 25, 2016 at 3:35 pm

          ‘the Brits posed a question to Tunku on the fate of the immigrants before concluding the talks for independence.’

          Lain negeri talak masalah, tapi 3 Negeri2 Selat orang Melayu tak mau kasi sama British maa, kita mau duduk dalam satu negara, itu yang kena ikut syarat British bab Jus Soli…

          under duress buat keputusan boleh sangkal kat mahkamah ke??

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          • 27. sickofyou  |  November 25, 2016 at 10:57 pm

            Islam 1st…….so typical…..if unable to rebut factually…..reka macam macam cerita and put a full spin to it…so typical.
            What duress ? Go read all the books and autobiographies of Tunku Abdul Rahman…….no duress, no pressure, no threat, no coercion …. was ever mentioned by TAR.
            In fact, he was one of the most happiest person to go sign the declaration.
            Again, I would ask you and your ilk to go study history the way it should be studied.Don’t spew half baked lies and contorted history just to ejaculate yourself for a momentary thrill.
            Be mindful, writing lies and spinning is a dosa

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            • 28. islam1st  |  November 30, 2016 at 1:54 pm

              Bodoh macam kau pun berdosa juga sebenarnya!

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      • 29. surrhead  |  November 25, 2016 at 11:54 am

        MM…….the rant of giving citizenship is stale issue,which bears no significance at current times and future too….i see a lot of umno people still harping on this stale issue, the point is just to give a false ketuanan impression for political purpose only.
        If you think you really need to press on this, i suggest you and you goons to have a demo in front of British Embassy and UK as well – it was they who forced umno to give citizenship to Chinese and Indian – knowing that Malaysia would fall if the Chinese/Indian were retrieved.

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      • 30. chinaman  |  November 25, 2016 at 1:58 pm

        MM,

        If the Malays refused to give citizenship to the immigrants during negotiation with the Brits, the latter will not grant independence to Malaya.

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        • 31. Aku Melayu  |  November 26, 2016 at 6:51 am

          We would rather not gain independence than living with DAP Chinese, understand?

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          • 32. chinaman  |  November 26, 2016 at 5:45 pm

            Aku Melayu,

            No point crying over spilt milk. Whatever happened cannot be reversed. The non-Malays will not balik Cina or India. They will stay here. No way their citizenship can be revoked.

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            • 33. shamshul anuar  |  November 28, 2016 at 4:59 pm

              Chinaman,

              No. Citizenships can be revoked. What I mean is that everything under the sun can be changed. Just like our Constitution. It is adhered and its main structure such as Raja Raja melayu still exist as the party in power, UMNO cherishes the tradition.

              Should PR(meaning DAP) take over, from malay point of view, the monarchy is the first thing to be abolished.

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              • 34. chinaman  |  November 29, 2016 at 9:53 am

                SA,

                You sure citizenship can be revoked by the government? Please may I request you to provide info, data, stats to support your point?

                Malay rulers can be abolished? Heard of the concept constitutional pillars? It means certain things are so fundamental that any abolishment/amendment will render the entire constitution as unworkable. Eg. voting every 5 years. If any ruling party with 2/3 majority and with the consent of the Rulers Council amended such right to “voting every 10 years” instead, do you think such amendment will be recognised despite having the necessary approvals?

                Brunei independence? Good example. But how to you relate that example into your assumption that “Msia will still achieve independence if no citizenship is given to non-Malays”. You can’t just simply pluck one example and use it to fit into your assumption to deny historical facts, i.e. British will not grant independence to Malaya if non-Malays are not given citizenship.

                Have you compare the numbers of non-Malays vs Malays in 1957 against the numbers of Chinese vs local Bruneian when Brunei got its independence in 1984? Both in terms of absolute numbers of population and percentage.

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        • 35. shamshul anuar  |  November 28, 2016 at 4:54 pm

          Chinaman,

          Not sure about it. Brunei still achieved independence even when the Sultan refused to grant citizenships to Chinese.

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          • 36. islam1st  |  November 30, 2016 at 1:58 pm

            British sudah bo lui liao. India pun too expensive oredi. Malaya pun sulah sikit untung. Sonner or later mesti keluar juga. If ony Putera Raja kiasu sikit, macam Prof Diraja Ungku Aziz urged Melayu, mesti dapat macam Brunei punya! Hish rugi2!

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            • 37. MeorUsa  |  December 1, 2016 at 11:52 pm

              How do you feel Islam1st if your citizenship and the citizenship your people are constantly under question and under threat.?

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              • 38. AE  |  December 2, 2016 at 5:13 am

                Dah tukar orang la bro 1st. Grammar already improve overnight..hahahaha.

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                • 39. islam1st  |  December 2, 2016 at 5:23 pm

                  Memang RBA ni AE! Hahaha kau dah kantoikan itu hari!

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              • 40. RINA  |  December 2, 2016 at 12:17 pm

                MeorUsa
                Kalo hang benar2 Muslim just worry about your stay in US cukupla. With wildfire raging like Hell.. satni depa come knocking at yr … Hai Trump Januari ni entah apa pulak policy dia esp pengikut dia apa la akan jadi kat nasib hang disana?

                Anyway, rok dnegara org dok baik2 ya.. just continue be a “good boy” there, make sure bayaq GST dan Income Tax make oso jgn tak declare and pay on time ya.

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              • 41. islam1st  |  December 2, 2016 at 5:25 pm

                Tak rasa apa, Malaysia without the Malays, tak boleh imagine wor! Lu olang ada pun macam takdak maa. Bukan ada contribute apa2 kat budaya pun! Then again what kind of budaya??

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                • 42. MeorUsa  |  December 2, 2016 at 7:20 pm

                  Trump effect is not new.AE,Rina and Islam1st are living examples.
                  Ketuanan first.

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                  • 43. islam1st  |  December 4, 2016 at 5:58 pm

                    Haiya, in case you haven’t notice semua olang sudah moving to the right wor, USA, Belanda, UK, you name it. Malaysia pun rightly so! Butthurt apasal??

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  • 44. drinho  |  November 25, 2016 at 10:01 am

    Helen,

    Why focus on attacking MCA only? Many other BN component parties have openly objected the Bill. MIC, Gerakan and Sabah/Sarawak parties. The Star did a poll on the MPs support/objection here:-

    http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2016/11/24/having-two-legal-systems-would-tear-malaysia-apart/

    BN practised a consensus decision system. This is what differentiated BN from the old Pakatan that allowed “agree to disagree” that led to the latter’s dissolution. Looks like BN is heading for the same direction.

    The PKR vote of 28 is still unknown. I think most likely PKR will object the Bill on PH’s consensus (with DAP and Amanah). If that happens, the Bill will be defeated as it will have a max of 101 (simple majority to pass the Bill is 112).

    Ultimately, who will be the biggest loser if the Bill is defeated? It is Umno. They must support the Bill due to their Islam religion. Otherwise, Umno will be attacked by PAS for not upholding Islam. By supporting the Bill, Umno is risking their relationship with BN component parties. These are the dilemma for Umno. A lose-lose situation.

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    • 45. Helen Ang  |  November 25, 2016 at 10:49 am

      re: “Why focus on attacking MCA only? Many other BN component parties have openly objected the Bill.”

      Other BN component parties like Gerakan do not have a national newspaper campaigning against RUU355. PBB and the Sabah-Sarawak parties did not get their Parliament seats courtesy of Umno.

      re: “The Star did a poll on the MPs support/objection”

      Misleading. Nanti saya blog.

      re: “the old Pakatan that allowed “agree to disagree” that led to the latter’s dissolution. Looks like BN is heading for the same direction.”

      I’ve already said early on before GE13 that the BN formula is expired in the peninsula.

      re: “the Bill will be defeated as it will have a max of 101 (simple majority to pass the Bill is 112)”

      Unless I’m mistaken, the simple majority is taken from the actual headcount in the Dewan on the day that the bill is debated and voted. So the number to pass may be fewer than 112 depending on attendance.

      re: “Ultimately, who will be the biggest loser if the Bill is defeated? It is Umno.”

      I think so too.

      re: “They must support the Bill due to their Islam religion. Otherwise, Umno will be attacked by PAS for not upholding Islam.”

      Yes. Alang-alang menyeluk pekasam, biar sampai lengan. Najib tidak mempunyai pilihan untuk berpatah balik.

      Likewise I don’t see how PAN can vote against the bill either. At best, they have the option to abstain.

      re: “By supporting the Bill, Umno is risking their relationship with BN component parties.”

      Yes. With PBB under Adenan and the Sarawak Christian parties, it’s dicey.

      re: “These are the dilemma for Umno. A lose-lose situation.”

      Not entirely. A break with MCA will gain Umno 7-10 Parliament seats (including for example Alor Setar that the MCA lost).

      MCA is currently a thorn in the BN flesh. It will be a relief when the duri is removed from the daging.

      PAS can bring 20-30 seats to the ruling party. Team Najib will just have to do the math. I believe a BN-gomen without MCA will be stronger and definitely more cohesive.

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      • 46. drinho  |  November 25, 2016 at 2:08 pm

        re: Other BN component parties like Gerakan do not have a national newspaper campaigning against RUU355.

        Freedom of speech? After all, the Bill is meant to be voted by all MPs irrespective of race and religion. So, it is a Malaysian matter. Not exclusive to Muslims per se.

        re: Misleading. Nanti saya blog.

        I would like to see your analysis as well.

        re: Unless I’m mistaken …………..

        You are correct.

        re: PAS can bring 20-30 seats to the ruling party.

        Still hoping for Umno/PAS unity? The latest statement by PAS on rejecting alliance with Umno:

        http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2016/11/21/pas-will-never-form-alliance-with-umno-says-syura-council-member/

        Not to mention the latest blow to Hadi’s bill by Azalina:

        http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/azalina-changes-mean-hadis-bill-back-to-square-one

        Looks like Hadi’s bill needs to go through the 1st reading again.

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        • 47. ninetythreemillionman  |  November 26, 2016 at 8:16 am

          “Looks like Hadi’s bill needs to go through the 1st reading again”

          Branding other muslims kafir is a bad amanat you know?
          And promising some muslims syurga is not a good political idea.

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  • 48. surrhead  |  November 25, 2016 at 12:04 pm

    Ya Helen, let’s hope the Malays don’t vote for the 7 parliament seats mca candidates……

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    • 49. Helen Ang  |  November 25, 2016 at 12:19 pm

      They will definitely not. There is a loud clamour for Umno to take back the Malay-majority seats.

      The Malaysian CHINESE Association needs to prove its ethnic credentials. Since MCA claim to represent the Chinese, all the more reason they need to contest and win Chinese-majority seats.

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      • 50. Helen Ang  |  November 25, 2016 at 12:21 pm

        Postscript

        Like DAP, the MCA are also strident promoters of meritocracy. So why depend on tongkat, talian hayat and kerusi ehsan from Umno? Walk their talk ah.

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      • 51. surrhead  |  November 25, 2016 at 2:35 pm

        would be fun to see umno taking away mca seats……..and the repercussion

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        • 52. Ayam  |  November 27, 2016 at 6:37 am

          Yeah and UMNO and PAS also taking away DAP seats as well.

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        • 53. Mulan  |  November 27, 2016 at 4:30 pm

          It would be fun to see PAS take back their seats from Amanah or PKR.
          This RUU355 issue would benefit PAS the most. PAS will be seen as the defender of the faith and the Malay race after they have been ‘victimised’ by Pakatan Rakyat. Voting for PAS would be the best answer to the attempts of the DAP to ‘screw’ the Malays. The Malay populace in the heartland will either support UMNO or PAS as a response to the “screw’ attempt.
          If the Malays apply the lessons of Brexit and Trump, see PAS rise.

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        • 54. islam1st  |  November 30, 2016 at 2:01 pm

          ‘.and the repercussion’

          What repercussion, MCA don’t even have the numbers to begin with?!

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  • 55. Jason  |  November 25, 2016 at 1:59 pm

    The chinese community agreed and accepted the provisions on Islam in the Constitution plus many other provisions as part of the trade-off to get citizenships in the new nation of Malaya back then. Having enjoyed those citizenships, it is NOT honourable to go back and try to change the structure and basic provisions of the Constitution.

    In any event, the hybrid system of law – secular and syariah law has existed long before we became independent. In fact, it was the law in 1948 when the 9 Malay States plus the Straits Settlements of Penang and Malacca grouped together to form the Federation of Malaya or Persekutuan Tanah Melayu.Thereafter that Federation became independent in 1957.

    Non-Muslims should not interfere in how Muslims should live and practise their faith – that is entirely up to the Muslims to decide and sort it out themselves and all non-muslims need to respect that. Surely the non-Muslims especially the christians do not want others to interfere and tell them how to practise their faith.
    By being too clever by half, many non-Muslims want to comment and interfere in such matters of the Muslim faith especially by the christians, this is where they open the real pandora box. They cannot have double standards.

    The lesson of Ahok in Indonesia must be learnt by the non-Muslims here and be learnt well.

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    • 56. surrhead  |  November 25, 2016 at 6:02 pm

      Jason, the syariah court decided on religions of minor non-muslim, in the case of Deepa vs Izwan Abdullah. How is this possible, when clearly the kids were born to a hindu couple?? Just because the husband converted to Islam, so the Syariah court sided a Muslim. That is downright absurd and unfair.

      http://www.themalaymailonline.com/opinion/farouk-a.-peru/article/deepa-subramaniams-case-disreputes-islam-once-again

      And the police did not even bother to look for the children even after high court overuled syariah’s rule.

      In short, the syariah laws will be used on non-muslims.

      And the non-muslims have every right to oppose it as they are citizens of Malaysia too, and they have seen it’s unfairness towards non-muslims.

      And i don’t expect you answer me, because nobody has ever answered me on this. Even muslims avoid talking on this issue, they know it’s downright wrong.

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      • 57. AE  |  November 26, 2016 at 7:45 pm

        We do not talk/comment on this is due to a simple principle, muslim do not gloat. Izwan’s action are in line with our religion. What surrhead/HY/deepa/mca/dap or mr farouk from peru says never matter to us. Saving yr own kids from eternal burning in a lake of fire is never wrong in our books hence the reluctance of the mostly muslim police force to take action. When will u people learn that your opinion of us do not matter. Your take on our religion do not matter. You, infidels, do not matter. We will use syariah to its fullest extent to sideline you and give all the advantage to muslim. Do you know infidel parents/siblings/offsprings do not have any share in the estates of a reverted when he passed away? Baitulmal will have it all if he didnt have any surviving muslim kins. Couldnt you see how much u matter to us? Just pack your bags and move to myanmar. You will be the infidel majority that matters there.

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        • 58. surrhead  |  November 28, 2016 at 2:22 pm

          Thank you, AE….for being sincere and portraying the true Islam @ Malaysia. This is how it should be, rather than giving false rhetorics like Islam itu adil, Islam itu indah dsbnya……good luck in implementing hudud to the whole nation……..eternal burning in lake of fire..that’s a good one, man….

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          • 59. AE  |  November 28, 2016 at 11:28 pm

            Well, thank you. If it wasn’t good why would i use it? If it is bad then why cant you refute it? Truth will always worth more in my books than, lets say, the false theatrics you nons put on when the word hudud or malay privileges mentioned in yr presence. Takkan dari beribu ribu lawyer lulusan luar negara seagama kau seorang pun tak tahu baca perlembagaan? As i said earlier islam will always put us muslim first. Not very different from yr religion, whatever it is. So unless Confucian or the bible had said leave muslim alone with their business, why should islam treat you any different from the way yours will treat me?

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            • 60. surrhead  |  November 29, 2016 at 10:11 am

              I hope you can see that the nons and some right thinking muslims (sabah & sarawak) will make sure that backdated laws are not given a go. And moreover you have confirmed on how brutal Islam@Malaysia can be…..wish more would do this

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              • 61. AE  |  November 29, 2016 at 2:11 pm

                I am very glad about that. But i am happier that the message is heard by the other side…you know..the majority. When you read the news today, try looking for news on UEC and vernacular education. We are going to make you choose between your children stepmother’s tongue education or the profit margin of your vices operation. Lets see what Liow Tiong Lai choose for you.

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              • 62. RINA  |  November 29, 2016 at 10:19 pm

                surrhead
                Tak payah dok hint2 Sabah and Sarawak la. Minggu ni kat Selangor pun dah ada 2 cases of major landslides.

                Bukan kami tak faham. When you people think of Sabah and Sarawak kamu concerned about their weĺl being atau otak asyik dok ingat how to “move their mountains” aje?.

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                • 63. surrhead  |  November 30, 2016 at 1:11 pm

                  Rina, ko lari tajuk laqi…..we were talking about SS rejecting RUU355….and i hope the talibans do not creep into SS and ruin the already good nation….plus AE has stated and verified that Islam@Malaysia can be lopsided and brutal towards non-muslims….with all these around, the non-muslims have every right to reject ruu355 and whatnots relating to syariah power enhancement…there are cases of syariah passing judgements which was unfair to non-muslims, you know…

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                  • 64. islam1st  |  November 30, 2016 at 3:16 pm

                    Haiya we are the Talibans la! Apa lu lagi tunggu??? Takkan nak koyak passport pun nak kena ajar??! Bolok!

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                  • 65. AE  |  November 30, 2016 at 5:00 pm

                    Don’t you have any fact to support your argument other than AE said this or AE said that? pusing pusing kat situ jugak kau ni, never convincing anybody with your own idea. I wouldn’t pay much for an RBA of your level, cikai. They would have paid 10 times more for me if i could be bought since according to you, I had convinced so many, as you had quipped, the nons and some right thinking muslims (sabah & sarawak). Seriously dude, put some effort into your job, will you? Aren’t your boss watching? You can start by citing “cases of syariah passing judgments which was unfair to non-muslim” and explain why it was unfair.

                    I think i should charge you money for the next “AE said….”.

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                    • 66. surrhead  |  December 2, 2016 at 11:21 am

                      AE, you are good in blabbering, that’s all…..And you make a very fine example of a hypocritical muslim @ Malaysia….people need to know that Islam@Malaysia is not nice as they like to sound….
                      AS for cases, you can look up cases on Deepa vs Izwan http://www.thestar.com.my/lifestyle/family/features/2014/08/29/torn-apart/

                      On the unfair part, i couldn’t have done it better than what you have verified up-thread – “You, infidels, do not matter. We will use syariah to its fullest extent to sideline you and give all the advantage to muslim. Do you know infidel parents/siblings/offsprings do not have any share in the estates of a reverted when he passed away? Baitulmal will have it all if he didnt have any surviving muslim kins. Couldnt you see how much u matter to us?”

                      BTW, AE said…..Islam@Malaysia is meant to oppress the non-muslims.

                    • 67. AE  |  December 2, 2016 at 7:57 pm

                      Whenever things other says does not conform to your value or desire they are a hypocrite? Senang la kau nak menang debat. I have been honest, not one politician, muslim or otherwise will repeat it but it is the truth nonetheless. Maybe you have change a word here and there but it is still wholly my idea. People need to know, i did tell them, NOT YOU. Yes, Islam will always put its adherent before everybody else. How is that any different from buddhist, hindu, christian or jew? Can you say your personal religion put my right before yours? OTHER RELIGION ALSO OPPRESS AND MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, MUSLIM IS AT THE BUSINESS END OF THE GUN.
                      SO WHAT WAS YOUR POINT AGAIN? Stop taking credit for my work by twisting it to suit your sick agenda. I have my own. So you nons would get smart, up and leave or leave us muslims to our own devices!

                    • 68. surrhead  |  December 5, 2016 at 2:41 pm

                      AE, wisen up….my stand on you being a hypocritical Muslim is because you are doing the opposite then what actually Islam teaches….Islam would never condone to what you have said -” We will use syariah to its fullest extent to sideline you and give all the advantage to muslim”
                      Why did you say something like this which is against the true teaching of Islam? You are giving Islam a bad name.

                      If you think you wanna practice a bad version of Islam in Malaysia, it will not be accepted. I would advice you to leave Malaysia and join IS instead. Those fellas are a lost lot too, just like you. They believe in oppressing people in the name of Allah.

  • 69. Lady Justice  |  November 25, 2016 at 2:18 pm

    A lot of malays do not want the hudud bill… especially women. Syariah courts (the world over) are notoriously bias against women. If you have a divorce case, the outcome will more likely favor the man.

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    • 70. Lady Justice  |  November 25, 2016 at 6:01 pm

      How will the bill deal with spousal abuse? Such as beatings and rape?

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      • 71. Lady Justice  |  November 26, 2016 at 4:52 pm

        If I may add, wife beating is a crime under civil laws. But is it permitted under Syariah Laws? If so, how severely?

        Wife-beating is sanctioned in Islam, and is viewed as a method to keep the wife under control.

        https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Wife_Beating_in_Islam

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      • 72. AE  |  November 26, 2016 at 8:12 pm

        You actually know nothing woman! It has already been adressed in DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ACT 1994(ACT 521). At least google some before mouthing off tangent. Kalau kau dah berlaki mesti laki kau orang baik baik sebab kalau kau pernah repot polis sebab kena dera mesti kau tau akta ni.

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        • 73. Lady Justice  |  November 26, 2016 at 11:53 pm

          You are referring to a civil law. Please read my argument above.

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          • 74. AE  |  November 27, 2016 at 4:55 am

            It is already addressed by civil law because cina kalah judi also beat their wife, india mabuk minum samsu beras also beat their wife. At least in islam there is a way prescribe by the quran to execute this, very humanely if i might add. Pls read back the wikiislam link you gave. So chinese and indian women do not need law to protect them meh? Will their drunken loser husband have any restraint if there is no ACT 521? Practicing muslim husband will since we believe everything in the quran is the prevailing truth and nothing in it is meant to do us harm. So what was your argument again? Sanctioned by quran? Unless your real intention is to “memburukkan islam dan penganutnya”, do please shut up and stop drinking holy water if u are a muslim woman.

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            • 75. Lady Justice  |  November 27, 2016 at 6:54 pm

              Non-muslim women have civil laws to protect them. I’m more concerned about muslim women in cases of domestic violence.

              If Syariah Laws approve wife beating then I’m hardheartedly against it. No wife should endure the brutality of their insecure muslim husband

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              • 76. AE  |  November 27, 2016 at 9:49 pm

                Seriously, are you this daft? THE CIVIL LAWS PROTECT EVERYONE. MUSLIM, MUNAFIQ AND KAFIR! THERE IS NO NEED FOR THE SAME PROVISION IN THE SYARIAH ACT. ANY OFFENCE TRIED UNDER ACT 521 AND PENAL CODE 574 WILL BE DONE IN CRIMINAL COURT . No muslim husband deserved to endure the vacuousness of your mind. Stop drinking holy water la.

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                • 77. Lady Justice  |  November 28, 2016 at 6:24 pm

                  So the Syariah Courts don’t handle cases of domestic violence?

                  Are you sure?

                  You need to get your facts right. Maybe you can check with SIS instead of shouting here. There are hundreds if not thousands of divorce cases involving domestic violence.

                  Yes, a tight slap across the face is also considered domestic violence even if it happened just once. So is that justified in our Syariah Courts?

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                  • 78. AE  |  November 28, 2016 at 9:19 pm

                    You should check your fact first and not me. It is you who wants to argue on.
                    Is there a specific case you are referring to? Was the case tried as a domestic violence criminal case or a divorce proceeding? Please provide a real syariah court case reference that convicted and sentenced a muslim husband to jail for the crime of domestic violence. I can go check anytime during weekdays.
                    SIS had been declared a deviant sect and full of female chauvinist just like you. Not exactly a reliable reference for muslim men or women. I will be better off climbing Batu Caves and ask the monks there. At least i will get a straight answer.
                    Unless I get the answers to my questions, I will refrain from responding to you anymore and consider you a nincompoop RBA not worth my spit. However but you can keep talking trash and entertaining us like surrhead and his short, empty comments

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                    • 79. Lady Justice  |  November 28, 2016 at 10:55 pm

                      Please go check for yourself. Let me simplify my question for you.

                      Does our Syariah Courts condone wife beating? Yes or No

                    • 80. AE  |  November 29, 2016 at 9:45 am

                      LadyJustice,
                      Why dont you ask your husband to divorce you, come marry me( revert first if you are a non), i will give u one tight slap on the face, then you can report to police and pejabat kadi. We can then experience the world of malaysia syariah law first hand together. You will get your answer then. U can even blog about this on your own. No need to come here and show how your brain actually never work a day in your life since your mouth is always there to pick up the slack.

                    • 81. Seeker  |  November 29, 2016 at 10:49 am

                      Dude, enough of your misogyny and chauvinism. Just answer the fair lady’s question.

                      Yes or No

                    • 82. AE  |  November 29, 2016 at 10:08 pm

                      Court’s duty is not to condone anything for anyone. Court try and sentence cases according to the law. The law is where you specify whether a specific action is condoned or not. So dont be lazy and go google “syariah act 355 1965”. Dah la bodoh, malas pulak tu.

                    • 83. islam1st  |  November 30, 2016 at 3:21 pm

                      AE, these RBAs memang bodoh punya kakis…asyik nak menyondol saja… google pun malas

    • 84. AE  |  November 26, 2016 at 7:58 pm

      Memang banyak melayu takut hudud.
      1) Melayu yang mencuri.
      2) Melayu yang minum arak.
      3) Melayu yang suka bergesel gesel di kelab kelab malam.
      4) Melayu yang melanggan pelacur.
      5) Melayu yang bersekedudukan dengan bukan muhrim tanpa ikatan yang sah.
      6) Melayu yang berzina dgn orang kafir tapi rasa tak adil dia kena sebat sorang sorang.
      7) Suami/isteri yang banyak buat salah dalam rumah tangga.

      So. Which one describe you best LadyJustice?

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      • 85. MeorUsa  |  November 26, 2016 at 10:41 pm

        So you want to address these by giving you and them more money, more lashes.?
        As the salafis said ,Islam is not compatible with democracy.You like them want the whole cake.
        You out of line AE.Still you voice is needed here..

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        • 86. AE  |  November 27, 2016 at 5:36 am

          Yes. Higher fines, longer jailtime, more lashes. It is call deterrent. Harsher sentence means less people are inclined to do the deed. The less sinful deed partaken means a stronger and better people. You do not wish that for your people MeorUSA? Or will this RUU 355 make you come back less to malaysia? Ye lah kan, nak minum beer kena sebat, urut geli geli sikit kena sebat, main judi kat cc kena sebat, tu belum lagi cerita suami langgan pelacur, isteri bawak jantan ikut belakang.
          Goverment of the people, By the people and For the people. Is the freedom to commit sin define a democracy? Tell me if it does and the reason why it is so, maybe…just maybe i can tell whether your voice is needed anywhere at all.

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          • 87. MeorUsa  |  November 27, 2016 at 1:32 pm

            It did not deter anybody in 1965,1985 .what in the bag for 2016.?mo money for the purnisher and more lashes for the punished.
            Damm, you have gone from the not gloating to claiming you made the best arguments.
            .Allah have mercy.

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            • 88. AE  |  November 27, 2016 at 9:51 pm

              I do have the BEST argument until someone put forth a better one or refute mine. You haven’t done anything as such, have you? Just deflecting to get by eh? Never mind, i will try to explain in the plainest logic possible on the factors necessitating this amendment to be carried out in our time. For this purpose, the example i will use is prostitution.

              Further assumption i have to make is the rate charged by whore per client of each era since i never partake. Lets say for 1965 it is RM10, RM50 for 1985 and RM200 for present day. Seems like a fair assumption unless sickofyou could tell me the price to ejaculate in 1965. These whores is assumed to work on 3 client per day for 20 working days each month.

              The maximum sentence can be meted out in 1965 was 6 months jail and RM1000 in fine. the whore will earn RM600 which if i am not mistaken could buy 6000 nasi lemak which cost 10 cents each. Nearly two months pay is lost when convicted. Unless she was the saving kind, she couldn’t afford it. IMHO the jail time was rubbish, the client would still remember her and she have no problem getting back on the job. such lenient jail time might have lessen the deterrent factor.

              1985, earning will be RM3000, max sentences RM3000, 3 years jail and 6 lashes. The fine at the time wasn’t high enough to deter. just one month pay so they upped it to RM5000 in 1988. Harsher jail sentence but still wont stop any one from getting back to work. 6 lashes in penal code is damn scary if you ever witness it but 6 syariah lashes? i feel that the public caning in our monday morning school assembly session is more punishing than those.

              Now to present day. Earning had quadrupled to RM12000.. ministerial wage level tax free!This is a worrying trend for muslim parents. Add to it the advance of communication technology in which anyone can advertise anything and whores aren’t limited to the fairer sex. Syndicate and prostitution rings is now more organized an sophisticated. Sorry to say that with all these banglas and negroes and arabs loitering in our country, the demand for flesh has gone up. Easy money to be made the wrong way! RM100k is over nine months earning. Very good deterrent i’d say, No right thinking muslim will ever touch a prostitute or become one on their own free will. 30 years of jail is a SUREFIRE way to stop any convicted felon to repeat their offence intentionally or unintentionally. if you enter the system at 20, you’ll get out right about time you would have your menopause. Who would want a dried up toothless old crone unless that’s what you’re into. A+ deterrent. 100 lashes? let just say that i am confident that the whore will cried out “Allah, have mercy” instead of “ohmygodohmygodohmygod”. Right thinking mind argument again, would you personally be a whore with these deterrents in place?

              A reminder to the nons, example given above is of muslim variant only. nothing to do with any buddhists, hindus or christians. Please stop interfering. Abstain on personal grounds if the muslims voted you in. Kenang budi sikit sebelum jadi kenangan.

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              • 89. MeorUsa  |  November 28, 2016 at 6:09 am

                You got problem with whore.?

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                • 90. AE  |  November 28, 2016 at 10:43 am

                  YES I DO AND SO SHOULD YOU!!!

                  If you aren’t, then you are a paradox. MeorUSA. You want us to assume that you are a muslim, probable origin in Perak, might have travelled to USA for study or work even though your english PROFICIENCY is actually SMK/SMJKC level.

                  But from your other comments here i can rightfully surmise that you are a muslim in name only who only prays once or twice a year when you balik raya to appease your parents.

                  You also either have no children or uncaring enough to let [deleted].

                  It is either those or u are what paradoxes usually are, a collection of intriguing lies. Please do continue commenting here. It always gave me pleasure to figure out the pretenders. More so in shaming them.

                  ps: dear helen, feel free to censor me should you find any of my comments too offensive. What to do?..

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                  • 91. surrhead  |  November 28, 2016 at 6:18 pm

                    AE, who gave you the right to pass warped outlook on others? And what makes you think that anybody cares what comes out your piehole?? Truthfully, I only like your jokes on Islam rules and beliefs..

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                    • 92. AE  |  November 29, 2016 at 12:07 am

                      The same authority that granted you the freedom to pass warped outlook on my religion. Article 10 of the Federal Constitution.

                      You care…or you wouldn’t have replied. It also get published here, so i know the landlord value my opinions at least on par with yours(this is how we use the word par, MeorUSA).

                      Truthfully, I never care about surrhead and the one-liners. I only like to see your reaction when something offends you.

                    • 93. islam1st  |  November 30, 2016 at 3:27 pm

                      Lu terasa ke sohai?!

                • 94. surrhead  |  November 28, 2016 at 5:46 pm

                  30 years jail sentence for fucking around….another good one from AE…hahahaha…what i can’t see is how is this a major world problem

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                  • 95. AE  |  November 29, 2016 at 1:14 am

                    Fucking around is, you go to your father’s house when he’s out and conduct an affair with your stepmother. No money involved.
                    Prostitution is, while you are boning your stepmother, your father PAYS RM 200 to a muscular tattoed cashier at a massage parlor and proceeded to have sex with the thais masseuse. Money changed hands. Get the difference or do you still think your stepmother is a prostitute? Are you offended? Please don’t. It was just an example. I find that people could understand EXAMPLE better when you use an example they can relate to.
                    Whoever said this is a world problem? Liow Tiong Lai? Lim Guan Eng? Xi Jinping? Mao Zedong? Qin Shih Huangdi? Come on man. Elaborate a bit. Make this interesting. …but if it just yours, no thanks

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                    • 96. MeorUsa  |  November 29, 2016 at 3:33 am

                      AE cocky.You been to all these places.?
                      And your solutions ?.Imagine or real.?
                      Jahiliah.
                      Move on.No more solutions from 1300, 1800 ….years ago.Same method : a vector with same direction different magnitude no more.There are other maths.
                      Thanks for the non Malays, this time going back 1300 years is harder for Malays.

                    • 97. AE  |  November 29, 2016 at 9:24 am

                      Thank you for the compliments. Cocky usually mean unassailable in RBA lexicon, right?

                      What places MeorUSA? USA? Surrhead father’s house? Is it wise to share my travel details or history in a blog unrelated to travelling? Did you assume that just because i am a malay i do not have money to travel abroad? Assume all you want lah. You are only grasping at straws now since you never had any valid argument this whole time. I also dont think you ever live in USA, not with that kind of english. Most negroes from africa who came here to study english could articulate waaaay better than the gibberish you spouted. Try again next time.

                    • 98. surrhead  |  November 29, 2016 at 10:02 am

                      Are you trying to tell me that you go around banging your mum or sis is ok, but paying for the service is a no-no….well, prostitution is said to be the oldest profession in the world for a reason, you know….And if it is not a world problem, why waste time pursuing it to degree it needs most attention??

                    • 99. Helen Ang  |  November 29, 2016 at 10:22 am

                      re: “prostitution is said to be the oldest profession in the world”

                      Nope. Peddling snake oil is. Recall that the serpent sold Eve the apple.

                      It is the DAP evangelistas who are engaged in the world’s oldest profession.

                    • 100. AE  |  November 29, 2016 at 1:24 pm

                      Surrhead,
                      You banging your stepmother is ok since u are a non muslim and it is not covered in penal code. Your father paying for sex is a crime under penal code 372A. When i have sex with my sister or mother, it is a crime under penal code 377. I think between the three of us, all are morally wrong. But only I and your father will go to jail. Lucky bastard, you can keep doing your stepmom while we are in jail talking shit about you. Eh relax lah. Example je. You missed words when you’re mad.

                      I already told you that we only want to solve our own problem as we see fit. The world can solve its own problem or burn. BTW, who the fuck are you to tell muslims how we should waste our time? So until you heed our call for you to stop involving yourselves with pigs, alcohol, gambling and whoring..hmmph why should we care about anything you would say?

                      Sometime thr truth is harsh but ultimately necessary for those who learns.

                    • 101. islam1st  |  November 30, 2016 at 3:29 pm

                      Allah have mercy on MeowUSA!

                    • 102. islam1st  |  November 30, 2016 at 3:33 pm

                      Thorbaek AE! Lari semua RBA’s haramjadah kat sini! Kalau tak menipu tak sah!

      • 103. Lady Justice  |  November 26, 2016 at 11:59 pm

        Stop being prejudice

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        • 104. AE  |  November 27, 2016 at 5:40 am

          And you aren’t? Dont quit your day job yet. You aren’t any good in arguing.

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      • 105. Setem  |  November 27, 2016 at 1:33 pm

        Actually some Muslims are concerned that the Hudud laws proposed by Hadi are in line with what God said in Quran.

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        • 106. Setem  |  November 27, 2016 at 9:17 pm

          correction:

          Actually some Muslims are concerned that the Hudud laws proposed by Hadi MAY NOT BE in line with what God said in Quran.

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          • 107. AE  |  November 28, 2016 at 9:57 am

            Pheww..and i tot Setem buang tabiat kah?
            I concede that the present act never was totally in line with Quran because of the sentencing limitation hence the much needed amendments. And to my grief, it is still not in line after the amendments.
            I already listed down the type of muslim/melayu who wil lay down their life to oppose this bill. Why dont you check first which type your friend is? These guys actually matter to us and all we want to do is save them since they are ours. So what was your interest in this? The goodness of your heart? Ptuih! More likely to keep them in sin as so not to harm the profit margins of your brothel and speakeasies? To keep them indebted when they gamble? We all know the house always win but with these amendments we will bring the house down, maybe not much but should be enough to keep it kneeling in lost revenue.

            I for one, actually interested in what your “muslim” friends have to say about what they thought was in line and what wasnt.
            Why didnt you elaborate setem? RBA Sedition101? When in doubt, just generalize with a one liner. No need to explain. Just do damage.. We’ve seen it done enough times to notice now.

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            • 108. Passing by  |  November 29, 2016 at 6:05 am

              Lol dude, i think you just went bonkers

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              • 109. islam1st  |  November 30, 2016 at 3:35 pm

                LOL dude, I think you RBA should just pergi MAMPUS!!!

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          • 110. Abdullah  |  December 4, 2016 at 3:54 pm

            In the Name of Allah Most Compassionate and Merciful
            By the Sun and its glorious splendour;
            By the Moon as it traces him.
            By the Day as it shows up its effulgence;
            By the Night as it conceals it.
            By the Skies and its wondrous cover;
            By the Earth and its wide expanses
            By the Soul, and its rational order and physical proportion;
            And its moral discernment about wrong and right:
            Truly he succeeds who purifies his soul,
            And he fails who corrupts it!
            The Thamud people rejected their prophet through their rebellious wrong-doing, Behold! the most wicked man among them was chosen (as leader in their transgressions).

            But the messenger from Allah (Prophet Saleh) said to them: “It is a she-camel dedicated to the Lord on High. So do not restrain her from drinking!” {because the people of Thamud were greedily and selfishly disputing amongst themselves for the water sources}

            Then these same people rejected Saleh (as a false prophet), and they slaughtered the she-camel. So the Lord Almighty, on account of their crime, struck their community and leveled them down (with a natural catastrophe)!

            And for the Lord God alone there is no fear of consequences.

            (Quran, surah Ash-Shams)

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  • 111. RINA  |  November 25, 2016 at 4:04 pm

    Cik Helen
    Yang benar2 saya tak faham kenapa non Mislims are so worried of RUU 355? Apakah mereka takut nanti barua2 dan tali barut mereka akan berkurangan?

    Payah nak dapat supply?

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    • 112. islam1st  |  November 25, 2016 at 6:06 pm

      rumah urut income surut maa!

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      • 113. tehtarik  |  November 26, 2016 at 2:44 am

        Ya lor, yang minta sedekah dan free massage dari rumah urut tiap tiap bulan tu pun akan takut hilang rezeki lo.

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        • 114. drinho  |  November 26, 2016 at 5:52 pm

          Rina and Islam1st,

          One question for both of you. Should the Bill comes to voting and if non Muslim MPs voted against it thus causing the Bil to be defeated due to lack of simple majority support (i.e. less than 112 votes), does the act of those non Muslim MPs amount to interference into Islamic affairs?

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          • 115. RINA  |  November 26, 2016 at 11:32 pm

            drinho
            My question is why are the non Muslim MP’s (if they voted against) so worried?

            You sendiri faham apa itu RUU 355?

            RUU 355 bertujuan untuk kebaikan, satu usaha bagi mencegah UMMAT ISLAM terjerumus ke lembah maksiat. Apahat ini pun lu olang talak suka? Tolong cerita sikit?

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            • 116. drinho  |  November 27, 2016 at 2:23 pm

              Rina,

              Having some legal background, of course I know the content of the RUU355.

              Worry or not, this is a non issue. Whether the non-Muslim MPs understand the content of the RUU355 or not is also a non issue.

              The main issue is the right of MPs to vote freely. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. Nothing wrong for non Muslims to worry. Also nothing wrong for Muslims to support

              Let us agree to disagree. You are free to support. I am free to object.

              Do you agree with me that non-Muslim MPs should be allowed to vote freely, i.e. vote against the RUU355? Doing so is just an exercise of the MPs constitutional rights and not amount to interference into Islamic affairs?

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              • 117. RINA  |  November 27, 2016 at 7:30 pm

                drinho
                ..Having some legal background, of course I know the content of the RUU355…

                Syariah Law? Ni bukan sekadar baca translated version of Quran tau.. it involves so many one as AE mentioned, on minors, illegitimate children and matters on inheritance distributions lagi2 bila sibapa tu mati tanpa Wasiat (Will). Bab2 ni pun hang kena belajaq dulu sblum memandai bagi komen.

                Tak tengok ke video2 pencuri tetak their victims dgn parang macam tebang pokok, you all syiok sangat nak protect these kind?

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              • 118. drinho  |  November 27, 2016 at 9:43 pm

                Rina,

                Nampak sangat kamu tak faham isu yang saya cuba bawa. Tak kisah siapa sokong RUU355 ataupun siapa bantah. Juga tak kisah sama ada RUU355 adalah untuk memartabatkan mahkamah syariah ataupun tidak.

                Kamu boleh kata RUU itu bagus. Saya boleh kata tidak. Jika kamu ada 100 alasan untuk menyokong, saya juga ada 100 alasan untuk membantah. Siapa yang menang?

                Tiada siapa yang benar atau salah. Sama ada RUU itu diluluskan bergantung kepada jumlah ahli Parlimen yang menyokong. A numbers game.

                Kamu kena akui bahawa ahli Parlimen bukan Islam mempunyai kebebasan untuk menyokong atau membantah RUU355. Ini namanya demokrasi. Apakah makna demokrasi jika ahli Parlimen bukan Islam wajib menyokong RUU355?

                Andai kata hari pengundian tiba dan RUU itu gagal diluluskan, adakah tindakan ahli Parlimen bukan Islam yang membantah itu dikira sebagai menghina atau campur tangan urusan Islam? Jika ya, apakah tindakan undang2 boleh dikenakan?

                re: minors, illegitimate children and matters on inheritance distributions lagi2 bila sibapa tu mati tanpa Wasiat

                Please explain how the proposed amendment to Act355 deals with all the matters above? Have you actually read the principle Act together with the proposed amendment? Do you even know what you are talking about?

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                • 119. RINA  |  November 28, 2016 at 3:23 pm

                  drinho
                  so fungsi MP awak sekadar sokong atau tak sokong saja ke? Paham tak paham apa yg dibentangkan is not an issue? Alamak!

                  No wonder you people just campak aje reps macam si Dyana tu jadi pemimpin kamu. Lepaih tu masa time bersidang, walkout? Haiyaà

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                  • 120. drinho  |  November 29, 2016 at 9:37 am

                    Rina,

                    Isu RUU355 amatlah senang.

                    Sila baca link ini:
                    http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2016/11/24/hadi-expected-to-present-toneddown-version-of-bill/

                    Kalau tak faham Inggeris, saya jelaskan di bawah:-

                    1. Kuasa hukuman mahkamah syariah sekarang ini adalah 365 – max 3 tahun penjara, 6 sebatan, RM5,000 denda).

                    2. RUU355 yang asal ingin meminda No. 1 kepada “apa-apa hukuman kecuali hukuman mati”.

                    3. Terkini, Hadi membentang pindaan No. 1 kepada “max penjara 30 tahun, 100 sebatan, RM100,000 denda”.

                    Sekiranya No. 3 di atas diluluskan, maka hukuman hudud untuk 3 jenayah sudah boleh dilaksanakan:-

                    a) minum arak – 40 – 80 sebatan,
                    b) qazaf – 80 sebatan,
                    c) zina (belum kahwin) – 100 sebatan.

                    Untuk meluluskan No. 3, ahli parlimen yang beragama bukan Islam mempunyai hak untuk menyokong atau membantah. Sudah 2 kali saya tanya soalan yang sama tapi awak masih tak jawab.

                    Soalan:-
                    Andai kata hari pengundian tiba dan RUU355 gagal diluluskan, adakah tindakan ahli Parlimen bukan Islam yang membantah itu dikira sebagai menghina atau campur tangan urusan Islam? YA atau TIDAK.

                    Boleh tolong jawab? Helen sudah jawab TIDAK.

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                    • 121. RINA  |  November 29, 2016 at 10:40 pm

                      drinho
                      Itu cara mak ayah dan budaya kamu.
                      Jawab! Soalan BODOH pun kena jawab kalo tidak lotan kasi!

                      Takut kena lotan terpaksa bagi jawapan ikut apa yang kamu nak.

                    • 122. drinho  |  November 30, 2016 at 9:23 am

                      Adui Rina,

                      Amat jelas perbezaan tahap kefahaman isu RUU355 di antara kamu dan saya. Berapa lama masa yang kamu ambil untuk menaip jawapan “Itu cara mak ayah dan budaya kamu.
                      Jawab! Soalan BODOH pun kena jawab kalo tidak lotan kasi!
                      Takut kena lotan terpaksa bagi jawapan ikut apa yang kamu nak.”

                      Tak lebih 1 minit? Mengapa malas sangat untuk research? Nampak sangat kamu cuba mengelak dengan memberi jawapan yang merapuh.

                      Sekurang-kurangnya, Helen jawab juga apabila ditanya.

                      Sekadar menjadi key board warrior dan menaip berdasarkan emosi tidak akan menyumbang kepada “intellectual discourse” dalam isu RUU355. Sebaliknya, ia menunjukkan kewujudan orang jahil yang menyokong RUU355 tanpa memahami intipatinya.

                    • 123. islam1st  |  November 30, 2016 at 3:42 pm

                      YA. Menghina Umat Islam dan campur tangan dalam hal ehwal Islam. Apa lagi Cina mahu? PM sudah berkali2 cakap Pindaan Akta 355 bukan Hudud. TPM pun cakap yang sama. Jamil Khir pun cakap. Haji Hadi pun cakap. So lu olang butthurt kat mana?

                      Dulu masa mula2 dulu Menteri bukan Islam pun bagi jalan. LKY sama LKS pun tak campur. Sekarang kenapa sudah jadi ultrakiasu??!

                      Sudah senang mahu taiko mahu jadi kaki buli meh??

              • 124. RINA  |  November 27, 2016 at 10:20 pm

                surrhead,
                … Whether the non-Muslim “MPs understand the content of the RUU355 or not” is also a non issue….

                Bab ni hang kena rujuk dgn cerdikiawan Setem pasai soalan intelligent macam ni dia saja yang bole jawab.

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  • 125. MeorUsa  |  November 25, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    Muslim or Non Muslim better worry about having Shariah court at par, too close for comfort.
    Thats having a non standard competing.
    Oppose it.!!!.

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    • 126. islam1st  |  November 30, 2016 at 3:43 pm

      Lu USA duduk apa mau kisah?? Jangan ultrakiasu sangat!

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  • 127. Lousy.Engineer  |  November 25, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    TG Haji Abdul Hadi Awang who looked visibly thinner than usual, sounded emotional and choked on words when he told reporters that they’ll organize a giant rally on RUU 355. Takiyuddin and Nasrudin Hassan who stood besides him showed somewhat sombre expression.

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  • 129. AK47  |  November 27, 2016 at 1:22 pm

    Ms H. Man or Woman proposes. God dispose. It is time that all of us Malaysians recognise that each and everyone of us are no fools. Through the lack of political leadership for the Chinese and the goodies for the Rakyat at the bottom of the proverbial power pyramid since 2003, all denizens are now engaged in leading edge activities of an unsavoury kind, forgetting the wood from the trees ! How many of us realise that our beloved Malaysia is now on the cusp of attaining greatness in its leadership in ASEAN and the World and the enhancement of goodies for the Rakyat ? Facts are facts. With the defeat of the ineffective Democrats in the United States, the US enters a new dawn. With the ejection of the LKY confection TPPA, Malaysia stands unchallenged as regards her claim to her rightful political leadership with lots of goodies for her Rakyat arising from the abundance of human and natural resources which are the envy of others. Even Singapore will have to accept this turn of events. Majulah Singapura ! Our Prime Minister Dato Seri Najib solid friendship with ASEAN, China, India, Japan, the United States and the EU have garnered the support of his policies for the good of ASEAN, Asia and the World. Facts are facts. We should not let our beloved Malaysia, one of the best countries in the World, go down the kitchen sink just because of one anomaly. One swallow does not make an Indian summer. Pundits forget that a country is not run like a company. The BN as led by our Prime Minister Dato Seri Najib will be building up the momentum which will engulf whatever through facts, the legality and transparency of creation of money without money ! The BN with his leadership prevails. And as for all those Chinese seats, they will all become blue for BN again. As they say, it is the economy, stupid ! We must never forget that it took the Swiss 800 years to be here today, the Japanese 3,000 years and the Indians 5,000 ! We began our journey of one thousand lei only in 1957 ! Lest we forget !

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  • 130. RINA  |  November 27, 2016 at 5:07 pm

    Tu I dah habaq, halusi dulu dan paham apa RUU 355, doksah “oppose” just for the sake of opposing, betoi tak Setem yang mengaku diri maha cerdik dan pandai?

    http://www.sinarharian.com.my/mobile/nasional/mca-tak-tentang-ruu-355-tapi-1.591250

    Lagi pun pasai ROTAN agak geli hati pulak. Takyah hipokrit sangat. Apek2 jiran saya habaq itu cara mereka mendisiplin anak2 mereka. La aaa kecik2 lagi sya sll dengaq jeritan anak2 sekolah mereka, kelupoq kesakitan kena tibai kaw kaw… just for not doing school homework…

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  • 131. drinho  |  November 27, 2016 at 9:45 pm

    Helen,

    I am not sure on your stance vis-a-vis the RUU355. Just like my question to Rina and Islam1st, I now pose the same question to you and would appreciate your reply:-

    Should the Bill comes to voting and if non Muslim MPs voted against it thus causing the Bil to be defeated due to lack of simple majority support (i.e. less than 112 votes), does the act of those non Muslim MPs amount to interference into Islamic affairs?

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    • 132. Helen Ang  |  November 28, 2016 at 2:09 am

      re: “does the act of those non Muslim MPs [voting in Parliament] amount to interference into Islamic affairs?”

      No.

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      • 133. drinho  |  November 28, 2016 at 9:15 am

        So, in what way the action of non-Muslim MPs whether in or outside of Parliament would amount to interference into Islamic affairs as alleged by the proponents of RUU355 (eg. Hadi, ISMA etc)?

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        • 134. Helen Ang  |  November 28, 2016 at 9:59 am

          I don’t speak for proponents of RUU 355.

          My point is that it’s Muslim voters who put MCA in Parliament. Therefore the Chinese MPs must be fair to the constituents that elected them.

          As it is, MCA is being arrogant in bulldozing its party anti-‘hudud’ (syariah criminal jurisdiction) views instead of the MPs representing the interests of their wards.

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          • 135. HY  |  November 28, 2016 at 11:24 am

            helen, in this issue, i think mca do stick to principled, no hudud, it is umno that putar belit, moreover pas is opposition, how could mca support a opposition bill? there r more voters that vote for bn the govt (in bn constituency) than pas that champion hudud, most known mca stance when they give mca their vote.

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            • 136. Helen Ang  |  November 28, 2016 at 1:25 pm

              Why does MCA only attack PAS and not DAP when Guan Eng had co-signed with Hadi their GE13 “agree to disagree” pact whereby DAP refrained from objecting to PAS’s pursuit of an Islamic state ambition?

              Why did MCA not condemn the DAP, during the GE13 campaign period, for encouraging Chinese to be relaxed about hudud? Remember, Anthony Loke told the Chinese: If we’re not thieves and have no intention of committing a crime, then there’s no reason for us to fear hudud (that’s what he said).

              And the Dapsters were waving PAS flags and wearing ‘Sokong hudud’ armbands.

              Why did MCA fail to criticize the DAP’s Isamization facade, such as when Hannah Yeoh & Teo Nie Ching donned their tudung to Occupy Masjid, and some of the DAP male politicians such as Ong Kian Ming and Ng Tze Han were insyaallah-ing away and taking part in Muslim rituals in the mosque/surau.

              Isn’t it bloody hypocritical to pretend to defend secularism but at the same time play the religious — berpuasa kononnya, tweet #sahur throughout Ramadan, go and kacau empty pot (bubur lambuk?) in the surau for photo ops.

              Dah lah play religious card, they’re exploiting other people’s religion pulak tuh.

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              • 137. drinho  |  November 28, 2016 at 1:46 pm

                re: DAP refrained from objecting, GE13 campaign period, ‘Sokong hudud’ armbands,

                All the above are past events. No longer valid now. Try to look at subsequent events, i.e. the break-up of Pakatan Rakyat. There is now a new pact called PH, minus PAS. DAP and Amanah object to hudud bill and Islamic nation. PKR has yet to declare its stance. Most probably, it will take the same position as DAP and Amanah. At least DAP finally bite the bullet that their pact with PAS cannot work and broke-up. Confusion is finally over and Oppo voters may decide.

                Consider the scenario in BN. As far as hudud bill is concerned, only Umno is supportive. All other component parties are objecting. What happens to the consensus spirit and collective responsibility practised by BN? BN voters must be confused now.

                Despite Umno’s apparent support, it has failed to translate it into real action. Failed to place the bill as a priority order in Parliament proceedings, failed to bring the bill via a government motion and failed to ensure other BN component parties to support the bill.

                re: bloody hypocritical

                Hypocrisy is the game in politics. Can’t avoid it. Happens to both political divide.

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                • 138. Helen Ang  |  November 28, 2016 at 2:02 pm

                  re: “There is now a new pact called PH, minus PAS.”

                  What do you think DAP would have done vis-a-viz PAS if Pakatan Rakyat had won the federal election in 2013?

                  Nope, the break-up was not a matter of principle over hudud.

                  re: “DAP and Amanah object to hudud bill and Islamic nation.”

                  PAN has not objected. It would be political suicide for them to do so. They’re only hedging as best they can.

                  re: “At least DAP finally bite the bullet that their pact with PAS cannot work and broke-up.”

                  All the more repugnant of the DAP. They now blame/demonize PAS for the break up when it was in black & white (the signed 2013 agreement) that DAP had no objection then to PAS pursuing its Islamic state dream. DAP is extremely unprincipled.

                  re: “What happens to the consensus spirit and collective responsibility practised by BN?”

                  MCA had already torn up the BN compact when it refused to confront the DAP. A lot of Malays I know believe that MCA and DAP are secretly in cahoots.

                  re: “Despite Umno’s apparent support, it has failed to translate it into real action. Failed to place the bill as a priority order in Parliament proceedings, failed to bring the bill via a government motion and failed to ensure other BN component parties to support the bill.”

                  Umno will suffer a backlash if it fails to deliver.

                  re: “Hypocrisy is the game in politics. Can’t avoid it. Happens to both political divide.”

                  I am disgusted.

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                  • 139. drinho  |  November 29, 2016 at 9:59 am

                    re: the signed 2013 agreement

                    I thought there was a PR Common Policy or something whereby hudud and Islamic nation agendas are not stated therein. It was PAS that pushed for hudud in breach of that Common Policy (or something) that led to break-up of PR?

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                    • 140. Helen Ang  |  November 29, 2016 at 10:10 am

                      You mean omission, i.e. no mention of Islamic state aspiration in common policy framework?

                      If not stated, then boleh buat lah — tiada halangan dan tiada larangan. Just like the law.

                      The Penal Code lists what constitute criminal acts. If it’s not specifically listed as a crime, then free to do, e.g. if bakeries want to sell gay wedding cakes, it’s not a crime because not covered by Penal Code.

                      If syariah enhancement not covered (expressly prohibited) by Pakatan common policy framework, then similarly PAS bebas untuk cuba usahakannya.

                    • 141. drinho  |  November 29, 2016 at 10:19 am

                      re: You mean omission, i.e. no mention of Islamic state aspiration in common policy framework?

                      If that was the case, PAS is free to pursue any agenda which was not stated in the framework. Shouldn’t DAP be allowed to freely oppose anything which was not mutually agreed in the framework? Why solely blame DAP for the break-up?

                    • 142. Helen Ang  |  November 29, 2016 at 10:25 am

                      re: “Why solely blame DAP for the break-up?”

                      PAS free to pursue ambition, DAP free to object.

                      But it was DAP that kicked PAS out from Pakatan.

                    • 143. drinho  |  November 29, 2016 at 3:02 pm

                      re: But it was DAP that kicked PAS out from Pakatan.

                      Didn’t follow closely on the break-up of PR. If not mistaken, it was DAP that declared PR as dead. Or we can say DAP kicked PAS out from PR.

                      But looking at the ideology differences of DAP (secular) and PAS (hudud/Islamic nation), we know PR will never last long. The fact that PKR and DAP continue to form a new coalition PH (including Amanah, a PAS breakaway) shows that it was the irreconcilable differences originated from PAS that led to PR breaking-up.

                      I would say PAS is the troublemaker due to reasons below:-

                      1. PKR chose to stay with DAP in PH. PKR only deals with PAS at Selangor state government level. If PAS has zero or very insignificant ADUN seats in Selangor, PKR will not bother to work with PAS. Just like what happen in Penang where PAS has only 1 ADUN with no Exco. DAP works with PKR there but not with PAS.

                      2. The break-up of PR led to the breakaway PAS faction known as Amanah which joined the new pact PH. We don’t see any factions from DAP or PKR resigning from their respective parties, form a splinter party and collaborate with PAS to form a new pact. Even the Umno splinter party Bersatu is friendlier to PH than PAS. PAS is the lone ranger now, not DAP.

                    • 144. Helen Ang  |  November 29, 2016 at 9:09 pm

                      re: “looking at the ideology differences of DAP (secular) and PAS (hudud/Islamic nation)”

                    • 145. drinho  |  November 30, 2016 at 9:33 am

                      re: HY’s pictures in tudung

                      Helen, seriously? Again and again. Why the obsession with HY to the extent of compiling her tudung pictures? Your attitude is just like a teenage girl obsessed with Justin Bieber.

                      How simplistic for you to say that DAP ideology is similar to PAS just because of HY’s tudung, puasa, masuk masjid etc?

                      Have you consider HY’s rank in DAP? She is relatively junior compare to other senior leaders/central committee that oppose hudud/Islamic nation. Whose opinion shall prevail? HY or DAP’s CC?

                      Anyway, I made a point on “PAS is the troublemaker, not DAP” vis-a-vis the break-up of PR. Could you please comment whether you agree or otherwise?

                    • 146. Helen Ang  |  November 30, 2016 at 11:53 am

                      re: “Helen, seriously? Again and again. Why the obsession with HY to the extent of compiling her tudung pictures?”

                      It is visual evidence so that the intensity of her Occupy Masjid campaign cannot be disputed. Without the photograph collection, nanti orang kata saya mereka-reka cerita.

                      And if it was Teresa Kok or Chong Eng donning the tudung, then I would compile TK or CE’s pictures. It just so happens that the culprit is Hannah Yeoh.

                      re: “Your attitude is just like a teenage girl obsessed with Justin Bieber.”

                      If so, then I’m also free to use your line of argument to say that the attitude of DAP Yang Berhormats is just like jealous housewives obsessed with Rosmah Mansor.

                      Teo Nie Ching (MP Kulai) brought up the matter of Rosmah’s Birkin bags in Parliament. The cybertroopers had similarly made a photo montage of Rosmah and her expensive handbags, and viralled it in social media.

                      re: “How simplistic for you to say that DAP ideology is similar to PAS just because of HY’s tudung, puasa, masuk masjid etc?”

                      PAS’s ideology is the real thing because they’re fundamentalist Muslims. DAP’s photo ops and social media posturing is the most cynical political ploy to fish Malay votes.

                      re: “Have you consider HY’s rank in DAP?”

                      Can you name any other Wanita DAP member who is as visible as Hannah?

                      @hannahyeoh has 134,000 Twitter followers. Her Twitter reach is only surpassed by Lim Kit Siang, Lim Guan Eng and Tony Pua. Comparatively Teresa Kok has 65,400 Twitter followers while Anthony Loke has 32,800 — and he is the DAP national organizing secretary.

                      re: “She is relatively junior compare to other senior leaders/central committee that oppose hudud/Islamic nation.”

                      Barring LGE, she is the DAP legislator earning the biggest paycheque. After Selangor gave its YBs a hefty pay hike, the state Speaker’s salary is higher than the Deputy Prime Minister’s.

                      re: “Whose opinion shall prevail? HY or DAP’s CC?”

                      Can an average member of the public name any five members of the DAP central committee?

                      Can you yourself pinpoint the opinion of three CC members on RUU355 without Googling?

                      Public perception is stronger about those celebrities/politicians who are soc-med savvy, and the impression created by them is greater even though the reality may be different.

                      For example, according to the census, there are more Buddhists than Christians among the Chinese but it is the Christians who usually cause the uproar, such as the church (not temples) helping to organize Bersih participation.

                      re: “Anyway, I made a point on “PAS is the troublemaker, not DAP” vis-a-vis the break-up of PR. Could you please comment whether you agree or otherwise?”

                      PAS has always since time immemorial pursued an Islamic state agenda and with it, hudud. When PAS raises RUU355, they’re not making trouble; they’re just being consistent and doing what they’d have done in 1966, 1976, 1986, 1996 and 2006.

                      DAP, on the other hand, made a show of puasa, buka puasa, sahur, tazkirah, quoting Quran, quoting Hadith, preaching “amar makruf nahi mungkar, putting their faces on Maulidur Rasul banners, singiung inter-faith kumbayah and Occupy Masjid.

                      And then when PAS wants to implement their religion, DAP accuses PAS of makan dedak Umno.

                      Between DAP and PAS, it is clear which one is the snake.

                    • 147. drinho  |  November 30, 2016 at 6:13 pm

                      Helen,

                      I think it is undisputable as of now that DAP via its Central Committee is against the RUU355, hudud and Islamic state agenda of PAS. That is the official stand.

                      What is the point of bringing HY’s tudung, masuk masjid, twitter, her visibility, speaker paycheque etc? Not matter what attributes of HY you are trying to say the official stand of DAP remains, i.e. reject the PAS agenda on RUU355, hudud and Islamic state.

                    • 148. Kung  |  December 6, 2016 at 2:58 am

                      re: “For example, according to the census, there are more Buddhists than Christians among the Chinese but it is the Christians who usually cause the uproar, such as the church (not temples) helping to organize Bersih participation.”

                      Ms. Helen, there are more nominal Buddhists than Christians among the Chinese but sadly, too small number of Chinese understand Sakyamuni Buddha’s teaching on the facts of human existence. How very important to the future survival of the soul is the need for the right understanding, thoughts, words, and behaviours! Therefore unable to attain the right balance between worldly pursuits and moral conscience for the afterworld.

          • 149. drinho  |  November 28, 2016 at 11:34 am

            No doubt some of the MCA MPs represented a Malay majority areas.

            How do you know that the Malays in these areas really want the RUU355 to be approved? Any reliable survey conducted? Or is it your personal opinion?

            Ultimately, it is the MPs’ sole prerogative (subject to direction from their respective parties) to support or object the RUU355. In view of the lack of proof in the preceding para, shouldn’t we take the MPs’ sole prerogative as the benchmark as precedence over the other arguments like interference into Islamic affairs, RUU355 will not affect non-Muslims etc. After all, all these arguments cannot be objectively measured. You ask a Muslim, he will support RUU355. Ask a non-Muslim, he will object.

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            • 150. Helen Ang  |  November 28, 2016 at 1:49 pm

              re: “No doubt some of the MCA MPs represented a Malay majority areas.”

              Six out of the seven MCA Yang Berhormats represent Malay-majority constituencies.

              re: “How do you know that the Malays in these areas really want the RUU355 to be approved? Any reliable survey conducted?”

              Why don’t the MCA reps step forward and declare that they had consulted their constituents, and show some kind of data that the majority in their area are against syariah enhancement, and hence justifying their (MCA’s) ‘No’ position.

              re: “Or is it your personal opinion?”

              Is it the personal opinion of the MCA reps to object the RUU355 amendments? We’ve not heard about the party conducting any reliable survey in their Malay areas.

              re: “You ask a Muslim, he will support RUU355. Ask a non-Muslim, he will object.”

              I challenge MCA to ask the Muslims whom they represent.

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              • 151. drinho  |  November 28, 2016 at 2:59 pm

                re: Why don’t the MCA reps step forward and declare that they had consulted their constituents, and show some kind of data that the majority in their area are against syariah enhancement, and hence justifying their (MCA’s) ‘No’ position.

                Why not ask Umno to show some kind of data that the majority in their area are in support of the syariah enhancement?

                These kind of question will fall back and forth without any real outcome. It is moot actually. Let us look at it from the aspect of political expediency.

                Actually there is no conclusive way to show whether the voters of any constituency agree or disagree to a bill. It is just too burdensome for an MP to get conclusive feedback (via whatever means) from his constituents before voting on a bill. Look at the controversial laws like GST, POTA, SOSMA etc. Ultimately, MPs voted according to party line without any real feedback from constituents.

                That is why I said the proper objective test is the MP’s democratic rights/freedom to vote or object the RUU355.

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                • 152. Helen Ang  |  November 28, 2016 at 6:42 pm

                  re: “Why not ask Umno to show some kind of data that the majority in their area are in support of the syariah enhancement?”

                  The trend is towards religiosity. The Pew Research Center surveys – global, including Malaysia – show this. Their findings include syariah reception (topic) which got widespread support in Malaysia. Pls Google in my blog for link.

                  re: “It is moot actually. Let us look at it from the aspect of political expediency.”

                  This is where you are wrong. For PAS it is not about political expediency; it’s their religious mission.

                  re: “It is just too burdensome for an MP to get conclusive feedback (via whatever means) from his constituents before voting on a bill.”

                  You’re right in pragmatic terms. Nonetheless an MP has to know his area. The MCA seats are semi rural. Are the MPs being fair in their decision?

                  re: “Look at the controversial laws like GST, POTA, SOSMA etc. Ultimately, MPs voted according to party line without any real feedback from constituents.”

                  GST, Pota and Sosma are colour-blind laws. This one is different.

                  re: “That is why I said the proper objective test is the MP’s democratic rights/freedom to vote or object the RUU355.”

                  As a voter, you’d similarly want your MP to represent your interests. The opposition’s much touted New Politics preaches the ‘beyond race and creed’ dogma.

                  If the MCA’s Chinese-Christian YBs cannot be fair to their Malay-Muslim voters, then we cannot progress to the electorate preferring to vote someone from their own race and religion.

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                  • 153. drinho  |  November 30, 2016 at 9:41 am

                    re: GST, Pota and Sosma are colour-blind laws. This one is different.

                    No doubt RUU355 is on Islamic matters. Are you assuming that by default, all Muslims would want to see the RUU355 passed so that the syariah courts can mete out heavier punishment?

                    Why the need to increase the punishment limits of syariah courts? Is it because more and more Muslims are committing syariah crimes, hence the need to have stiffer penalties? If that is the case, do you think these wrong doers will agree to approve the RUU355?

                    What about Muslim MPs from Sabah and Sarawak? They already indicated their objection. Empirically, already we can see some Muslims objecting the RUU355.

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                    • 154. Helen Ang  |  November 30, 2016 at 11:03 am

                      re: “Are you assuming that by default, all Muslims would want to see the RUU355 passed”

                      PAS and Umno would be a better judge of that as between the two parties, they have between 4-5 million Muslim members.

                      Non-Muslim MPs can always vote ‘No’ but if the bill is passed, then that it’s the democratic will of the majority.

                    • 155. islam1st  |  November 30, 2016 at 3:50 pm

                      No lah. Baca Juanda takes on RUU355 and SPDP Datuk Seri Tiong King Sing juga.

                      http://www.bangkit.info/2016/11/datuk-seri-tiong-king-sing-sokong.html

                    • 156. drinho  |  November 30, 2016 at 6:17 pm

                      re: “The Star did a poll on the MPs support/objection” Misleading. Nanti saya blog.

                      Previously you disputed the poll conducted by The Star on how many MPs will vote or object the RUU355. Any findings so far?

                    • 157. Helen Ang  |  December 1, 2016 at 5:43 pm

                      The J-Star did not poll the MPs. The paper guesstimared.

                      https://helenang.wordpress.com/2016/12/01/sneaky-stars-misleading-info-box-on-ruu355/

                  • 158. ninetythreemillionman  |  November 30, 2016 at 3:26 pm

                    “re: “It is moot actually. Let us look at it from the aspect of political expediency.”
                    This is where you are wrong. For PAS it is not about political expediency; it’s their religious mission.”

                    You UMNO sokmo kafir, kafir, kafir!

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    • 159. shamshul anuar  |  November 30, 2016 at 7:49 am

      Drinho,

      Non Muslim MPs from MCA depend on Malay votes. Constituents like Alor gajah, Tanjung Malim, Air Itam and state seats like Kulim, Titi Serong(Perlis) are Malay majority areas.

      If they object to RUU, they may not be selected again to contest there. Meaning malays will insist why on earth people who are adamant in rejecting RUU are allowed to represent the majority Malays who want RUU.

      RUU is not a political issue among Malays. It is “tuntutan ugama”. No Malay parties worth recognition will want to reject it. UMNO will lose Malay votes if it rejects the RUU. Though RUU is a religious affair, it will be used as political weapon.

      My Chinese friend once asked me about RUU. I advised him to bring the matter to DAP. since DAP was very hardworking in asking Chinese to vote for PAS, why not Chinese now ask DAP to “work very hard” to change PAS position on RUU.

      Why must UMNO or MCA “tanggung kerja DAP?”.

      And why must UMNO listen to what Chinese think about RUU. After all, majority of Chinese wants UMNO dead.

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      • 160. drinho  |  November 30, 2016 at 6:06 pm

        SA,

        re: No Malay parties worth recognition will want to reject it.

        Some Muslim MPs in Sabah/Sarawak parties like PBB etc have expressed objections to RUU355.

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        • 161. shamshul anuar  |  December 2, 2016 at 8:44 am

          Drinho,

          Try asking Azmin Ali to state publicly whether he agrees with RUU or rejects it.

          Why on earth your view matters to me. If even UMNO rejects it, UMNO still will not get Chinese votes. Worse still, it will definitely lose Malays votes

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          • 162. islam1st  |  December 2, 2016 at 5:33 pm

            PKR sudah cakap sokong. Amanah pun sokong. UMNO pun sokong. semalam PM cakap lagi. SPDP pun sokong. Juanda pun sokong. PAS awal2 lagi sokong.

            DAP tak sokong. MCA akan sokong sebab sekarang gomen dah ambik dah bukan Hadi’s hudud. MIC akan sokong. Gerakan, who??

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            • 163. drinho  |  December 3, 2016 at 11:58 am

              SA and Islam1st,

              re: MCA akan sokong sebab sekarang gomen dah ambik dah bukan Hadi’s hudud. MIC akan sokong. Gerakan, who??

              Now that Hadi’s bill will be adopted as gomen bill, the equation has changed. We need to wait for all parties to state their support/objection. My wild guess:-

              1. All Oppo parties (except PAS) will object using the reason the bill is now a BN bill.
              2. All BN component parties (except Umno) will still reject.

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              • 164. islam1st  |  December 4, 2016 at 6:05 pm

                Ini DAP punya plan kah?? Gomen tak bawak cakap Hadi’s Hudud. Gomen bawa still object. Memang KAFIR HARBI!

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  • 165. AK47  |  November 28, 2016 at 12:50 am

    Ms H. Lest we forget. In October 2015 in the Straits Times, Bilahari Kausikan, the wandering Ambassador of Singapore nailed the Malaysian Chinese with just one sentence, ‘ DELUSIONAL CHINESE ‘. There was no serious squeak in response from any quarter. The last line of defence for Singapore is now the UMNO in goode olde KL ! With the kaput of the LKY confection TPPA, Malaysia offers Singapore more than what she can find in Wall Street, US of A !

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  • 166. AK47  |  November 28, 2016 at 1:54 pm

    Ms H. I still do no understand why our fellow compatriots still hark back on issues of which history is the finest arbiter since ancient days of centuries ago. It is not proper to take important arguments based on race, religion and culture out of context. In each country, there is a swell of momentum of the expression of the majority of its habitants in wanting to do things their way. Brexit, Donald Trump are succinct examples. Malaysia was fortunate to have a consensual leadership for a very long time compared with other newly independent countries. What has happened was the corruption of both power and money which nearly unhinged the whole works which all of us contributed. This is the point where National Interest is paramount upon lesser interests. This is the point strange to say that I believe our Prime Minister Dato Seri Najib will rise to become a true leader smelling of roses. Lest we forget, a small anomaly concerning money should not hold back the whole Nation to achieving its potential i.e. to stand shoulder to shoulder with India, Switzerland and Japan, as an important and effective Nation of the World. Malaysia will prevail.

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    • 167. billiondollarman  |  December 3, 2016 at 8:25 am

      Lest we forget, a small anomaly concerning money should not hold back the whole Nation to achieving its potential?

      a small anomaly over money is an overly big understatement lah

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      • 168. AK47  |  December 6, 2016 at 12:21 pm

        billiondollarman. In the affairs of Nations, we should put all into context. There are crevices of historical secrets which all might not have access to. Just to break-up an established democratic Nation which is our beloved Malaysia is not the proper way to do. Just for a loan of RM 42 billions. Lee Kuan Yew lost US$ 108 Billions (RM 432 Billions) in October 2008 on Wall Street. You conveniently ignored this fact. There is not a single squeak from his citizens to this very day. In November 2008 Channelnewsasia, he even admitted they were locked in for 30 years ! He was the Adviser to Citibank and UBS at the material time ! Conflict of self-interest ? Considering the wealth of Malaysia’s human and natural resources, new ideas can create more than RM 1 Trillion to provide jobs and happiness in our country unlike Singapore’s only resource which is BLUFFOLGY ! Facts are facts, Sir ! I make mistakes every day !

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  • 169. AK47  |  November 28, 2016 at 6:56 pm

    Ms H It is the mischievous foreign money seeking to create trouble makers wherever they are to be found. For over a century, there was not a single squeak from the Hong Kong Ramsbothams. But suddenly out of the blue, we find 21 year olds doing their thing in the Hong Kong Legislative Council in defiance of all norms. It is engraved in stone that Hong Kong is part of China come what may. And yet we find well dressed middle class Hong Kees now demanding what their own parents dared not. It is obvious to all and sundry that these folks have foreign permanent residences and foreign money was at work to create trouble. They speak English too in Cantonese Hong Kong ! And as for our own recalcitrants, the physical numbers prevail. The British just ignored them and banished them to China !

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  • 170. drinho  |  November 30, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    Helen,

    Since you pay so much attention on HY and DAP’s hypocrisy, why not you scrutinise the misleading stataments made by Najib, Zahid and Hadi in relation to RUU355? All of them have stated that RUU355 is not hudud. As per link below, the passing of RUU355 would allow 3 hudud punishments to be enforced in Kelantan. Other states may enact similar laws as well to implement partial hudud.

    http://www.themalaymailonline.com/what-you-think/article/act-355-is-about-hudud-even-if-amended-as-proposed-surendra-ananth

    Would you agree that Najib, Zahid and Hadi have lied or partially lied to the rakyat by saying RUU355 is not about hudud?

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  • 171. AK47  |  December 2, 2016 at 1:39 pm

    Ms H. Hudud or not, if the Chinese are not DELUSIONAL, they should all vote BN. Why throw away the power of their vote to the Opposition who are DELUSIONAL ? Surely these DELUSIONAL Chinese have never been DELUSIONAL sic Bilahari Kausikan. Be brave or just stick to business.

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  • 172. AK47  |  December 2, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    Ms H. The latest admission by the leader of the DELUSIONAL CHINESE admits that the Malays will never lose power. Then, what he and the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP have been doing since 1966 ? Is it the good living Malaysian Politics provide or their loyalty to the cunning LKY or whatever ? In human terms, there must be a cogent reason which drives these DELUSIONAL CHINESE forward. Money ? It is obvious these DELUSIONAL CHINESE are not fighting for you and me, Ms H !

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  • 173. AK47  |  December 3, 2016 at 12:47 pm

    Ms H, We must not go overboard with China. She has been with us for centuries. Our Prime Minister Dato Seri Najib’s foreign policy is wise and pragmatic. There is India, the World’s largest democracy with a history of 5,000 years. She has never meddled with her English policy since 1947. India’s precious asset the Dehra Dun – Mussoorie Silicon Valley is not publicised because the facilities of colleges, universities and institutiions are all utilised by the Indians themselves. This created 350 million English speaking middle class Indians which form the leadership, bulwark and future progress of India. The results we may see all over the Western World and beyond.

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  • 174. AK47  |  December 5, 2016 at 7:10 pm

    Ms H. How many of us Malaysian Chinese realise that our Political Space was stolen from us by Lee Kuan Yew through his Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP, emphasis on his good governance, the brainwashing of the tycoons, Chinese media, academics, bankers, recalcitrant etc ? This is the reason the Malaysian Chinese had no towering political figure unlike of old. All prospective Malaysian Chinese were compromised through money and his self-acclaimed University of Cambridge achievements. But the University of Cambridge upholds the ancient precepts of the freedom of expression, thought and speech. In the history of the University, only Cromwell, Blunt, Maclean, Burgess and Lee Kuan Yew were treasonous who betrayed its ancient principles.. Lee created and imposed his Godless Neo Communist Political and Socio-economic System on his citizens with the support of his Apparatchiks and the West without the knowledge of the Malaysians. In the West, the LKY system is known as benign dictatorship or rich Cuba without the havanas but the bananas. It is time that the truth be told since we Malaysian Chinese are in doubt about what is what. There is only one way. Vote BN and retain the power of your vote ! Vide jesscscott@wordpress.org for full expose’ on LKY’s nepotism.

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  • 175. AK47  |  December 5, 2016 at 11:33 pm

    Ms H. As this is the very first time that the theft of the Malaysian Chinese Political Space by Lee Kuan Yew has been brought up, it is imperative that all Malaysians especially the Malaysian Chinese that the way out of this Lee Kuan Yew created Malaysian Chinese dilemma is for all Malaysian Chinese to vote with the BN to re-claim their stolen Political Space. This fact has not been recognised by anyone especially those who are professionally inclined. There has been a cover-up by those concerned. Strange to say, the Chinese the World over are more astute than the Malaysian Chinese whose emotions and thoughts have been subsumed by the cunning Lee Kuan Yew in his battle to win their hearts and minds. It falls upon the MCA and Gerakan leaderships to reveal the new history of Lee Kuan Yew .Are they brave enough to do so in the National Interest which is upheld by the BN ? The battle cry, ‘ All Malaysian Chinese vote BN.!’

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  • 176. AK47  |  December 6, 2016 at 10:14 am

    Ms H. It is crystal clear that the emergence of the hidden hand Lee Kuan Yew through his speeches and acts during his life-time reveals his ultimate intention which is to whip-saw the Malaysian Chinese with his weapons like the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP etc. By breaking up the unity of the Malaysian Chinese, Lee Kuan Yew has no peer to challenge in Malaysia which he has always considered his own. Take his Ulu visit to Malaysia in June 2009. After many years of tribulations, he finally got Obama’s approval of the TPPA in his pocket. But he claimed his visit to his digits, cohorts, allies, fellow travellers, etc was a farewell visit. He was so concerned with his poisonous confection TPPA’s success that he handled it personally. But then, Ms H, his TPPA which was meant to subjugate our beloved Malaysia to be a colony of Singapore for its survival came to nought arising from the US elections. He now has no legacy for the survival of Singapore. How close was our beloved Malaysia from the jaws of death ? Man or Woman proposes. God disposes. All ye Malaysian Chinese vote BN and recover our rightful MALAYSIAN CHINESE POLITICAL SPACE STOLEN FROM US BY LEE KUAN YEW !

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  • 177. AK47  |  December 6, 2016 at 12:27 pm

    Ms H. Why are the leaderships of MCA and Gerakan even with their backs to the wall avoid naming the culprit of the piece who was Lee Kuan Yew who stole the MALAYSIAN CHINESE POLITICAL SPACE. To hit at his butlers in the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP is sheer wasting time. Go for the Chinaman in the woodpile, folks ! Go for the truth, chaps ! Go for the troublemaker of Malaysian Chinese Politics since 1963 fellow Chinamen ! The truth will back you up, prevail and win the day which is GRABBING BACK THE MALAYSIAN CHINESE POLITICAL SPACE FROM THE FOREIGNERS WHICH IS THE DAP ! All Malaysian Chinese must vote for BN to achieve this which is our legacy and our right. Kick out the thieves of Baghdad !

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  • 178. AK47  |  December 6, 2016 at 12:52 pm

    Ms H. Until the MCA and Gerakan leaderships take direct aim at Lee Kuan Yew for stealing the Malaysian Chinese Political Space, all manner of ding-dongs with his butlers in the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP will come to nought ! This is the fact. Those who have their assets in Singapore, I suggest they should bring all back to our beloved Malaysia which is a better and safer place. To convince the Malaysian Chinese that to have dignity and self-respect, all should vote for BN to grab back our Malaysian Chinese Political Space. This is the only platform to win not by libel and slander. Go for the Chinaman in the wood-pile !

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  • 179. AK47  |  December 6, 2016 at 11:03 pm

    Ms H. Soon with the end of the year, the silly political season ends. The serious political season begins with 2017 which inevitably leads us to the 14th General Elections. Because of poor political leadership of the Malaysian Chinese coupled with the lack of goodies for the Rakyat, the Malaysian Chinese took a big hit in the 13th General Elections. However, this is not the end but the beginning. The beginning of the realisation that Lee Kuan Yew left his legacy in a mess. It is so very important to realise what these failed legacies are :
    1. In Singapore, Lee Kuan Yew juggled the balls so high in the air that it is difficult for his inheritors to keep up and improve on them. He left them 47 failed Policies. Where the fault lies in the fact that his thoughts and actions were based on the easy years of the Cold War and our beloved Malaysia seemed to be his plaything which is now no more !
    2. In Malaysia, Lee Kuan Yew stole the Malaysian Chinese Political Space through the Chinese media, the tycoons, bankers, academics, journalists, etc. We paid for our insouciance in spades for this lack of insight and defense against an enemy who pretended to be a friend. Malaysian Chinese Politics are in a limbo. If Lee Kuan Yew was friendly, why his Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP had not a single good word to say about the BN Government but to sing the song of ‘ Malaysia for Malaysians ?’ The time has come for MCA/Gerakan to wrest back our rightful Malaysian Chinese Political Space from these pretenders who were led by Lee Kuan Yew. If you folks want to win big and regain the RESPECT for the Malaysian Chinese, go for the real enemy which was Lee Kuan Yew who stole our rightful Malaysian Chinese Political Space and made a mockery of Malaysian Chinese Politics for his lifetime. MCA/Gerakan the time is now to be brave and courageous. The time is now to regain the respect and honour for all the Malaysian Chinese to vote for the BN which has delivered all the time. No Chinese Community anywhere in the World put themselves into the Opposition like in Malaysia which is stupid and silly ! If you are Chinese, you know what to do ! Vote BN like all the Chinese World-wide.

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  • 180. AK47  |  December 7, 2016 at 12:47 pm

    Ms H. The past few years and months have been momentous for us Malaysian Chinese and Malaysian Chinese Politics. We were in a limbo which does our compatriots no good in terms of national development. All negativity towards one another should stop with the beginning of 2017. The leaderships of MCA/Gerakan must be wise and pragmatic to recognise that the BN as led by our Prime Minister Dato Seri Najib is on the cusp of greatness due to circumstances within and beyond his control. Events between China and Singapore, the demise of the TPPA, the new American good leadership, the South China Sea, the Prime Minister’s Foreign Policy etc have converged to benefit our beloved Malaysia at the appropriate time. Singapore is reeling in terms of everything ! Man or Woman proposes. God disposes ! The MCA/Gerakan leaderships must fight with courage to grab back our heritage the MALAYSIAN CHINESE POLITICAL SPACE FROM LEE KUAN YEW, THE FAKES AND PRETENDERS which are the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP. They only represent Lee Kuan Yew’s own ambitions and motives. Without convincing the Malaysian Chinese that Lee Kuan Yew is no better than any ordinary Malaysian Chinese, that he cheated to get into the bottomest non-college of Cambridge by the back-door without an Open Entrance and Latin, that he failed Singapore with his 47 failed Policies which brought their impending downfall, etc, the MCA/Gerakan will never be able to grab back the MALAYSIAN CHINESE POLITICAL SPACE and win with self-respect and honour. Do not bark up the wrong tree which is the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP ! Go for the Boss who was nothing special like you and me. I SHOULD KNOW ! And the Malaysian Chinese by voting all for the BN will regain their HONOUR AND SELF-RESPECT. And no one will sneer at us anymore because we have proven ourselves to be true Malaysians. Kick out the fakes and the foreigners, MCA/Gerakan ! This is the way to go for victory ! You only die once !

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  • 181. AK47  |  December 7, 2016 at 6:05 pm

    Ms H. Until the leaderships of MCA/Gerakan have shown that they are real heroes and not cowards by being iconoclastic with the MYTH OF LEE KUAN YEW AND HIS COHORTS, they can never win against the decades and decades of brainwashing of the Malaysian Chinese by Lee Kuan Yew using the best methods from the West and the East. Even on your distinguished Blog, the moment I mentioned any fact about Lee Kuan Yew. all manner of people behaved like Pavlov dogs which snarled at me without a single fact to explain why. My researches through the years have come to the conclusion that the Malaysian Chinese Political Dilemma in Malaysia today is due to the fact that our Malaysian Chinese Political Space was stolen by Lee Kuan Yew using the resources of Singapore. In the process, he promulgated 47 failed Policies. Man or Woman proposes. God disposes. See how fair God is ! Even Lee Kuan Yew’s poison confection TPPA for Malaysia is no more ! All his Policies failed him even his self-acclaimed brilliance at Cambridge. He cheated to get into the lowest rung non-collegiate house, Fitzwilliam House by the back-door with no Open Entrance and Latin, and over-aged. I should know. Go and check. His brothers who came after him were ordinary and one of them even failed one year. The glittering city of Singapore we see today was the creation of the UN expert Dr Alfred Winsemius, Adviser to the Singapore Government 1962-1984. The development of human resources were left to Lee Kuan Yew who screwed down his own citizens from 100% in 1959 to 62% in 2010. No Ruler even Hitler did this ! How cruel ! Vide Singapore Government White Paper on Population 2010. So, leaderships of MCA/Gerakan what are you waiting for ? This Superman Lee Kuan Yew was no Superman at all. Convince all the Malaysian Chinese that they have been conned by a smart alec and all vote BN under the leadership of our Prime Minister Dato Seri Najib to regain our Malaysian Chinese Political Space, self-respect and honour. No one will sneer at us any more. Like this our beloved Malaysia will be up there with Switzerland, India and Japan. We do not want more. Kick out all these pretenders, fakirs and foreigners. We will be great with our Malay, Indian compatriots and all. No need to quarrel anymore because we all have found our metier !

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    • 182. Jealous much  |  December 9, 2016 at 9:55 am

      Oi, Lee Kuan Yew stole your girlfriend izzit?

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      • 183. AK47  |  December 9, 2016 at 3:28 pm

        Jealous much. Your hero Lee Kuan Yew was no hero. First, he got into the University of Cambridge by the back-door of the bottom-most non-college, Fitzwilliam House without taking the Open Entrance and Latin. He was over-aged. In other words, he cheated to enter. His two brothers who followed him was ordinary. One even failed one year ! Second, Lee Kuan Yew self-acclaimed brilliant achievement did not prevent him from creating and imposing the Godless Neo communist Political and Socio-economic System on his citizens supported by Apparatchiks and the West. Only the Singaporeans and the Malaysians do not know his Political System which was known in the West for decades as ‘benign dictatorship’ or ‘rich Cuba without the havanas but the bananas ‘. With his Godless Neo communist Political and Socio-economic System, he became treasonous to the ancient precepts of the University of Cambridge which upholds the freedom of speech, expression and thought. With this fact, he joined the treasonous ranks of Cromwell, Blunt, Maclean and Burgess. These are facts which cannot be ignored in the affairs of democratic nations like Malaysia and India. Vide. Amartya Sen – Toronto University/Nobel Prize winner. TJS George. Prominent Indian Journalist.

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        • 184. Chris  |  December 10, 2016 at 9:04 am

          Uncle, while falling short of your historical facts on the issue, it is not untrue to say that in Singapore’s normative culture, the business of living can only be as serious as making more money. And where his hefty 20% monthly piggy-bank contributions to the Central Provident Fund will not belong to the worker when he reaches a ripe old age – but only as little monthly handouts or death do them part. Singapore has the lowest wages among the developed nations of the first world, but are up there among the most expensive cities globally – a phenomenon that is concomitant with the emergent elitist socio-economy.

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          • 185. AK47  |  December 11, 2016 at 12:01 pm

            Chris. I do not need to say much about the future of Singapore which has been screwed up due to Lee Kuan Yew’s 47 policy failures.
            You may discern this from 2000 onwards when its GDP went down and unemployment went up. In 2003, Lee Kuan Yew created his poison confection TPPA to subjugate our beloved Malaysia into a colony with us Chinamen being middle men financed by Singapore. After years of secret negotiations, the TPPA is no more. Thanks to Donald Trump ! Man or Woman proposes. God disposes. The only way for Singapore to survive is to play the game within its means and not try to hit above its weight ! God forbids !

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          • 186. AK47  |  December 11, 2016 at 1:31 pm

            Chris, Sir. Here is something for you and everyone. http.//news.asiaone.com/news/business/singapore-stresses-under-a-wealth-of-worries. My view is Singapore has come a long long way. Her present problems can be resolved for the common good based on commonsense and not on those academic books from Kino or Borders. By embarking on the right path, Singapore will gain prosperity and greatness. ASEAN will gain also. The answers are in the deep recesses of our brains, not textbooks.

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            • 187. Kung  |  December 11, 2016 at 4:43 pm

              Mister AK47 and Chris,
              Kung Tze taught: “If your plan is for 1 year, plant rice. And if your plan is for 10 years plant trees. But if your plan is for 100 years then educate the children!”

              I am sure the master never taught a country to survive by building giant casinos to reap great wealth by spoiling the peoples’ spirits. How can there be equitability and harmony in society if the rulers do not sincerely love the people but depend on the force of authority? The old cannot work like the middle aged and therefore surely not like the youngsters. So take care of the old folks like they are your grandmothers and grandfathers. Like Kung Tze said:

              “To rule a country of a thousand chariots, there must be reverent attention to business, and sincerity; economy in expenditure, and love for men; and the employment of the people at the proper seasons.”

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              • 188. AK47  |  December 11, 2016 at 8:04 pm

                Kung Sir, ‘Filial piety’ is your comment, I like you who has the natural Chinese cultural ballast which I sweated over these classics when I was a kid. If only there are more Malaysian Chinese like you, we do not need any Political Party to represent us. We would always vote for the incumbent Ruling Party without asking. Because there are so many Malaysian Chinese without a Chinese cultural ballast unlike you Sir, that others sneer at us. We must regain our Malaysian Chinese Political Space, our self-respect and honour by all voting collectively the BN as led by our Prime Minister Dato Seri Najib. This shows we are not half-baked or half-past six Malaysian Chinese.

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                • 189. Kung  |  December 12, 2016 at 1:12 pm

                  Esteemed sir, I do not vote for a brand of party politics but I examine the character of the men who lead the party. I was in favour of the elderly gentleman of good intellect when he was leader of this country even though some characters around him were not exemplary for the people.

                  “Favor and disgrace are alike to be feared, just as too much attention or anxiety are bad for the body;
                  Why are favor and disgrace alike to be feared? To receive favour is humiliating; obtaining it is as much to be dreaded as to lose it. To lose favour is to be disgraced and thus it is to be dreaded;
                  Why are excessive care and great anxiety alike bad for oneself? The very reason I am anxious is because I have a body. If I am not bound by my body why would I be anxious?; Therefore only he who administers the empire as he esteems his own body, is worthy to be entrusted with the empire.”
                  (Tao The Ching, chap. 13)

                  Of course sir, the leader must first examine the nature of shame – his moral conscience.

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                  • 190. AK47  |  December 12, 2016 at 3:35 pm

                    Kung Sir. Your comments are a breath of fresh air in our World of money, money, money. I believe in the Creation of Money Without Money. Through ideas not theft. This was what made Lee Kong Chian, greatest Chinese entrepreneur in 20th century SEA, Tun Daim, Tan Sri Lee Loy Seng etc successful. They were all born as naked babes like us. The valuable sayings of the ancients are just as applicable today as 2,000 years ago.

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              • 191. AK47  |  December 12, 2016 at 12:42 pm

                Kung Sir. By popping up with your philosophical spiel from Confucius/Lao Tze, you reminded me of how the Godless neo-Communist/Communist Political Systems of Singapore and the People’s Republic of China embarked on the promotion of Confucius/Lao Tze. China has established many Confucius Institutes around the World. Lee Kuan Yew tried to fill his Political System’s godless void with Confucius/Lao Tze, indirectly focussing filial piety from his adherents towards himself. Smart. Maybe it is time for MCA/Gerakan to promote Confucius/Lao Tze amongst their young members. This is far better than those young Chinese who think Western culture and beliefs are trendy. It sucks.

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      • 192. AK47  |  December 10, 2016 at 1:18 pm

        Jealous much. Lee Kuan Yew did not steal by girlfriend. He stole our Malaysian Chinese Political Space. I am his brother-in-law. My elder brother married his only sister, Monica in October 1951. In 1969, Tun Abdul Razak, our Father of National Development and Tun Tan Siew Sin offered me the best State seat for a Chinaman, the Selangor Kuala Kubu. My friends in the UMNO Youth and my relative, the most Senior Adviser to the Federal Government on Anti-communist Insurgency, Tan Sri Dr C.C. Too both advised me not to accept. Again in 1973, Tun Tan Siew Sin with the support of our Prime Minister Tun Abdul Razak offered me his own Batu Berendam, Melaka seat which goes with the post of Deputy Minister of Finance. I did not accept on the same premise. My friends were correct. The Malaysian Chinese Political Space was already occupied by the sneaky Lee Kuan Yew !

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      • 193. AK47  |  December 11, 2016 at 11:49 am

        Jealous much. You will be more jealous when I tell you that from 1921 to 2015, 13 of my family went up to Cambridge University. Two became Prime Ministers, one Malaya’s first Minister of Finance, one Malaysian Deputy Minister. Another one was the first Malayan to be a London MRCP in 1947.

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  • 194. AK47  |  December 8, 2016 at 9:21 am

    Ms H, How many of us realize that the next 14th General Elections is critical to the future of our beloved Malaysia especially the Malaysian Chinese who had their Malaysian Chinese Political Space stolen from them by a foreigner Lee Kuan Yew. It is time for the leaderships of MCA/Gerakan to prove their worthiness by making the right moves to grab back our rightful Political Space. Every Malaysian Chinese vote for BN as led by our Prime Minister Dato Seri Najib is a gain of Malaysian Chinese Political Space and a loss for Lee Kuan Yew. It is high-time that all Malaysian Chinese consider themselves as Malaysian and not Mandarin or English speaking Malaysian Chinese. I can never forget the significant contribution to the Malaysian Chinese by Singapore’s wandering diplomat Bilahari Kausikan who succinctly labelled the brainwashed Lee Kuan Yew Malaysian Chinese types as “DELUSIONAL CHINESE”. He was absolutely correct in present day context. Singapore’s think-tank has identified that the first and last line of defence of Singapore is UMNO in ye goode olde KL and not the 19th Century defence line of Batu Pahat/Muar of Lee Kuan Yew’s archaic strategy bolstered by 300,000 military, hard-ware and all. All Malaysian Chinese has no choice because the Opposition draws its water from foreign sources but to put all our precious votes into the BN. Show these foreigners we are Malaysian Chinese ! This is consonant with the behaviour and astute practice of all overseas Chinese around the World by supporting incumbent Governments. This reflects the Chinese ancient traditions of Confucius and Lao Tze. It is only in our beloved Malaysia that the normal thinking and behaviour were subsumed by the cunning Lee Kuan Yew for his own motives and ambitions through brain-washing. Yet, with all his self-acclaimed cleverness, he failed miserably in his very own failed State of Singapore. This I expected a whole life-time. However, there is much to gain for Malaysia and Singapore to move closer together to do greater socio-economic endeavours which we have plenty in the Federation. If Lee Kuan Yew had taken the latter approach instead of sneering at us with his self-acclaimed brilliance now proven to be just a mirage, he would have been the finest. Man or Woman proposes. God disposes. Lee Kuan Yew failed because he was no god.

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  • 195. AK47  |  December 8, 2016 at 12:08 pm

    Ms H. The behaviour of the Malaysian Chinese in opting for the Opposition and the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP at the last 13th General Elections drives me crazy. An important question. How can a bunch of smart people who love to make money and work hard for themselves and their families support the Opposition which is actually anti-business or anti-money making but to disrupt peace and harmony ? See how the brainwashing poison of Lee Kuan Yew using the resources of Singapore for a life-time. He had successfully confused and obfuscated the instinctive goodness of the Malaysian Chinese through cunning and brain-washing. This is bad. It is time for both the Mandarin and English speaking Chinese to reflect and think for themselves who they are going to serve. The Myth of a foreign Master or themselves and the country which belongs to them and our compatriots the Malays, the Indians and all ? Be Man and Woman enough to use our brains to de-Nazify ourselves from this Lee Kuan Yew poison which should be washed away with his demise. He is no more. You all have the future of our beloved Malaysia before us as led by our Prime Minister Dato Seri Najib who is just on the cusp of greatness and World recognition as leader of an important and strategic geo-political State. Do not miss the boat dear MCA/Gerakan leaderships and be distracted by the little things dished out by the butlers of Lee Kuan Yew ! Your responsibility is great to grab back our stolen Malaysian Chinese Political Space from the late Lee Kuan Yew. This will restore back our DIGNITY AND HONOUR. No one will sneer at us anymore. This important task is now in both your hands. You only die once ! 2017 will soon be upon us, dear MCA/Gerakan !

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    • 196. Helen Ang  |  December 9, 2016 at 12:37 pm

      Uncle,

      Lee Kuan Yew has passed away already and M’sia separated from S’pore a long time ago.

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      • 197. AK47  |  December 9, 2016 at 3:15 pm

        Ms H. If we are Malaysian Chinese and realistic, we cannot ignore our political and socio-economic history. Because most of us have been so tolerant and forgiving to thieves, we are now faced with a Malaysian Chinese Political Problem or Limbo or Dilemma. We tend to overlook the evil actions and thoughts of men or women in their own interests. The English are very good at analysing problems, They always go back to the basics. Look at the evils of Hitler which still overshadow the World today in the Middle East. How can we Malaysian Chinese ignore the fact that Lee Kuan Yew in his life-time stole the Malaysian Chinese Political Space. Vide. Singapore Straits Times 1959-2014. His speeches. The pro-Lee Kuan Yew comments on this Blog only underline the success of his brainwashing of the Malaysian Chinese by using the best methods supported by the national resources of Singapore. In other words, he had/has a whole kingdom of Lee Kuan Yew kow-towing Chinamen/women as his digits ! The truth is always difficult to swallow !

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  • 198. AK47  |  December 10, 2016 at 12:33 am

    Ms H. Your kindness in permitting me to present the hard political facts to the Malaysian Chinese to save ourselves and regain our self-respect and honour, moved me to tears. I have been at this game for a lifetime. Timing is important. We Malaysian Chinese have to stand up and be counted at the next 14th General Elections. I view this as the most critical event for us Malaysian Chinese since 1957 ! To be counted that we are loyal and trustworthy Malaysian Chinese who only care for the success of our beloved Malaysia and its National Interest by voting collectively for the BN as led by our Prime Minister Dato Seri Najib to regain our Malaysian Chinese Political Space, self-respect and honour stolen from us sneakily by Lee Kuan Yew in his life-time. The Malaysian Chinese should only think of their self-respect and honour and ignore and not be distracted by all other issues like money as these are beneath OUR MALAYSIAN CHINESE INTEREST AND WELL-BEING. Do not be used by the butlers, digits and foreigners of Lee Kuan Yew a second time ! No Chinese in the World except those Malaysian Chinese in the 13th General Elections voted against incumbent governments ! The MCA/Gerakan leaderships should move above the fray and present the true facts about the Myth of Lee Kuan Yew and exhort all Malaysian Chinese to vote collectively for the BN to grab back our stolen Political Space. This will be our finest hour for our parents, ourselves and our children and our compatriots. No one will sneer at us anymore ! What say you MCA/Gerakan ? Realpolitik ?

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  • 199. come full circle  |  December 25, 2016 at 11:13 am

    If the malays want to stone themselves and chop off their hands, then so be it. Screw them.

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