Harapan one-year report card & why they’ll be one-term gomen

April 15, 2019 at 3:55 pm 121 comments

The anti-Najib, 1MDB-busting paper The Edge is circulating an online survey reviewing Harapan’s Year One performance. I’m responding below to their questionaire.

PART ¹

Questions 1-5

ANSWER #1

What’s the difference between Mahathirism 1.0 and Mahathirism 2.0?

ANSWER #2

Book your Proton FlyingCar™ quick. The waiting list is long.

ANSWER #3

Regime change now!

ANSWER #4

Only sado-masochists would think of voting for Harapan. A vote for Harapan = inflicting self-punishment, esp. in taxation on the middle class.

ANSWER #5

Cat food costs more under Guan Eng’s SST regime than Najib’s GST previously.

It could also be due to Malaysia’s weak ringgit against the baht (Thailand has a developed fishing industry and some brands are imported from our northern neighbour) as well as higher transportation costs because fuel is no cheaper.

PART ²

Questions 6-10

ANSWER #6

See last Stick Figure in poster below. Unlike Dapsters, I don’t drink piss believing it to be holy water.

ANSWER #7

Since Pakatan Haprak took over, the one area showing greatest improvement is Malay Unity. (This answer, however, is not listed among the survey’s multiple-choice reply options.)

ANSWER #8

Mahathir has exceeded my expectations in his dictatorial tendencies. Falling below expectation is Hannah Yeoh who’s only No.2 behind champion Syed Saddiq in the matter of Jilat Bontot Bos. 

ANSWER #9

“Malaysia’s future” … ur optimistic or pessimistic?

Speaking of Hannah: If only she were a bit more honest, she would not have shut down the Dapster young generation weighing whether to emigrate – ref. her old tweet below – just because she herself is a failed Australia-PR applicant.

ANSWER #10

The pollsters behind this survey appear to agree that DAP’s “colour blind” rhetoric is complete bollocks. If race doesn’t matter, why bother to ask?

To see questions 11-12, go to https://www.research.net/r/OneYearReportCard

MY NOTE ON QUESTION 5

The most important issue is Cost of Living and its corollary, Inflation.

My jaw invariably drops whenever I walk down the supermarket aisles. e.g. A regular size (400ml) bottle of Himalaya – tagged above at RM32.84 – is a market brand sold everywhere and not a hair salon product. Imagine paying RM33 for shampoo in New Malaysia.

Granted there are more economical brands than Himalaya and Joy but I already shop at the most budget-conscious grocery chain there is, Speedmart 99.

The normal price for Joy 500ml (below) is RM6.95 according to Tesco e-shop. O joy! How long will satisfaction with Harapan last?

From my grocery bag this week, 96 sen for two small Holland onions. I only cook single-person meals, so I don’t buy a lot.

The other day, I paid 55 sen for a scoop of beansprouts at the leftovers shop, i.e. fresh food items available in the afternoon that are collected unsold from the morning wet market. The 55-sen taugeh portion was just enough for me to fry myself a plate of char koay teow.

Meanwhile in the supermarkets, offer items fly off the shelves before you can count to 10 – see below.

The Ayam brand promo price last October was RM5.79. Its normal price then was RM5.90 — a savings of 11 sen. Are we supposed to be thrilled at the measly reduction? Err, yes apparently.

Currently the same Tuna Chunks in Olive Oil – pix above – retails @ RM6.25 at Lazada, RM6.46 at Aeon, RM6.50 at Jaya Grocer, RM6.50 at Mydin (results from online search). So roughly, the cash & carry price for this Ayam 150g tin of tuna has increased 60 sen from its RM5.90 price six months ago.

While waiting my turn at the price checker machine, I exchanged a few friendly words with a Malay youth who was deciding whether or not he wanted to buy a bottle of cooking oil. I asked him if he is a student since he was carefully tabulating his grocery bill total using the calculator on his mobile. He replied he was already working.

Each grocery shopping trip I must draw a sharp breath – this happens often – because prices go up every five weeks or so for essential foods. Take Maggi.

The mee-in-cup price is RM1.79 and mee-in-bowl price is RM3.09 (Tesco). Imagine, it’ll cost you RM3.10 to cook instant Maggi Mi at home and this is plain noodles without any additional ingredients.

Nowadays shoppers are putting less stuff in their grocery carts. This can be observed when you’re queuing up at the check-out counter.

Harapan will assuredly lose GE15 unless the government can get a grip on harga barang naik.


How would you answer the survey?

READERS are also welcome to leave a comment recording the prices of your must-have things, and we can come back to this page next year to see how much UBAH we’ve all enjoyed.

 

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  • 1. Surrhead  |  April 15, 2019 at 4:58 pm

    i am optimistic and i will give PH another term to prove their worth….
    For now, i am happy with
    1. NO or very minimal corruption
    2. MRT2 reduced 5.2bil
    3. ECRL reduced 21bil
    4. B40 asisstance programmes
    5. MYpass 100

    I am sure there are others who does more tracking on PH than me.

    PH is certainly a cleaner coalition than BN.

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    • 2. Liza  |  April 15, 2019 at 10:13 pm

      Sorry no more votes to PH.

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    • 3. monopol  |  April 15, 2019 at 10:32 pm

      problem now is many of the past regime supporters still work in the gaverment, turning away people who look for helps especially the most discirminated indians, if go goverment all sort of things done by the old reime supports not to help and say it is “kencing” promise. also price of goods more parallel importers like what jokowi do in indonesia to keep price down. many importers are old regime peeople. like from MCA

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    • 4. Helen Ang  |  April 16, 2019 at 8:46 am

      Not happy. Adabi sardines in tomato sauce (425g) is seven ringgit.

      Roti sardin is as basic as mi segera. Even ikan bilis kering is expensive nowadays.

      What is the B40 gonna eat?

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      • 5. Surrhead  |  April 16, 2019 at 4:24 pm

        Helen ah…i eat maggi, i buy 5 pakets costs 4.50…..why you wanna buy cup maggi? of course expensive la, moreover you cannot eat the cup….btw, sardines has been expensive since BN days….most items stays the same price from BN days….BUT i am waiting optimistically that PH will bring down the price of goods…..you better pray that they don’t, then you got lesser bullets

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        • 6. Helen Ang  |  April 16, 2019 at 6:16 pm

          re: “you cannot eat the cup”
          Haha.

          re: “most items stay the same price from BN days”

          I don’t keep a log book but as shown above, tuna has certainly gone up. I’m sure the price of coffee powder is up too. The two items I keep track of their prices are coffee and cat food. Generally, frozen foods more costly in M’sia Baru as well.

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          • 7. Abdul  |  April 16, 2019 at 11:31 pm

            Why are pakatan jokers and clowns so desperate that they resort to lies to deceive people to believe something untrue ? Have they lost their own mind ? I believe so !

            For example:

            (1) A pakatan joker claims (falsely) that he or she will give pakatan another term to prove their worth because he or she is happy with NO or very minimal corruption under pakatan rule! What a nonsensical and laughable claim !

            The fact is The Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI) for the year 2018 s ranks Malaysia at 47 which means Malaysia is perceived as more corrupt !!!

            (2) Another pakatan joker says that he or she is waiting optimistically that pakatan will bring down the price of goods (while the costs and prices of goods and services are increasing steadily beyond the means of ordinary people due to the blood-sucking SST) ! Dear pakatan jokers and clowns please keep on dreaming !!! I truly feel sorry for you all!

            The undeniable fact is many citizens including me will not vote pakatan anymore because of the pakatan menipufesto !

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            • 8. Surrhead  |  April 17, 2019 at 4:05 pm

              well, can’t expect much from an Abdul, can we?? you are named to serve, not think….

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              • 9. Abdul H  |  April 17, 2019 at 10:24 pm

                Neither a genetically opiated Surrhead.

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                • 10. Abdul  |  April 18, 2019 at 1:50 pm

                  It seems to us that Surrhead doesn’t have the ability to connect the dots based on his or her own comment above. No wonder he or she always supports pakatan blindly.

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                • 11. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 19, 2019 at 2:59 pm

                  “a genetically opiated Surrhead”

                  Adul Abdul H, where in your scriptures can you find slags like that to hurl at others, please?

                  Don’t mind me saying… you really need to learn from those fine examples, like, for instance, a Muslim whom I gave a good right old bollocking to recently…

                  Did seem unfair to him, he took it all quietly, but when I finished, he made sure each and every one of his children come to me to put their foreheads on my hand.

                  Him too.

                  If you desist from putting your energy into slagging people off, maybe people may see you as a fine example of a Muslim.

                  Many travel on the Road, few even make the start of the Destination, Amen.

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                  • 12. Abdul H  |  April 20, 2019 at 12:47 am

                    “Many travel on the Road, few even make the start of the Destination, Amen.”

                    What pretentious crap!

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                    • 13. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 22, 2019 at 1:18 pm

                      “What pretentious crap!”

                      Oh! Another holy slag!

                      But how so?

                      Sure can’t beat your uber-pretentious “logos” and “pathos”!

                      The superior Malay language, and even simple English have plenty of words you can use, why do you need to flaunt “eloquence” using words that is all Greek to the rest of us?

                      Even looks like you are one of those holy dark brown folks fresh off the migrant express off Greece, picked up and use the first two flashy words you come across while storming the anti-mullah barriers!

                      With your pretension, I am sure Zorba at immigration would let you take up the name Steven Demetre Georgiou, allow you, Matthew and son to become citizens right away, Amen!

                      Don’t tell us, but I am sure you even grow pubic hair under your chin to pretend and prove you “authority” and “right” to feign “humility” and “righteousness”!

                      You don’t need to use your superior bomoh psychic ability to know so, but I can tell you I am laughing my holy sarong off at your extra-strong dose of hypocrisy!

                      Adul, you are not just a laugh, you are a right old rip-roaring riot!

                      Just dye your pubic hair metallic green, and I won’t be confused which end you think with, Amen!

  • 14. Salman Amir  |  April 16, 2019 at 12:21 am

    I almost voted for PH in the last GE. But looking at the situation after PH took over, I would certainly not vote for PH in the next GE. PH not only failed, but failed MISERABLY

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  • 15. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 16, 2019 at 12:52 am

    I am prepared to give that old roti canai fakir another 22 years to get things right (even if it is for himself, family, and cronies).

    My money is on it won’t be all that long he comes face to face with old Niutou and Mamian.

    As much as he is the DAP dei ty, he will fail, flop like the next Proton!

    If he is not descending to the Netherworld on a fakir’s rope through the clouds, may he be granted a ride on the magic carpet – at least that works better than the next national “car” on one whore’spower.

    Free ticket for the old and new dictator from the bucket shop.

    May we kick off into a new genuine new baru baru Malaysia.

    Keep praying guys!

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  • 16. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 16, 2019 at 1:39 am

    No reason canned tuna/sardine, Ayam or otherwise should be so expensive in Malaysia.

    Like corned beef and baked beans, it is a luxury for the poor – all while, in the West, mostly the poor and students eat those stuff.

    We can’t introduce salad vegetables to those who love stuffing their faces here, and especially to the obese. Salad vegetables are unreasonably expensive.

    I know olive oil, excellent for salads, is expensive – and love-our-palm-oil is no substitute.

    When the price of the “poor man’s fare” ie. canned tuna/sardines, corned beef, baked beans go up, western gomens get nervous.

    But when PH cannot keep prices down, we still get their supporter monkeys trusting that magic Najib/1MDB mantra, give PH gomen more years to keep prices up, give them a chance…

    Other than closing down cafes etc because of their overzealous smoking ban, PH should tax sugar, salt and junk snacks heavily, our monkeys do eat those in massive quantities.

    A few years down the road we will get more and more in the demography for the grossly obese, the diabetics, those hit by heart diseases, etc etc. that will strain our health services – and taxpayers’ pockets!

    That said, it would be great advertising for PH if those desperate to charm, like Hippo Hannah, set examples of themselves for the public to follow, by reducing their size by at least two third.

    Weight reduction needs will. Strong will.

    To be religious, you don’t need will at all – you just keep deluding yourself and others you are religious – and keep making a great show of that.

    Instead of reciting “I am G*d-fearing”, recite “I look like a no class coolie kway teow frying scrubber, I MUST shed weight massively!”

    It is like a good looking shop assistant, she talks to you, and you end up buying whatever… Would you trust a dentist with bad teeth?

    Same with a religion, you see an attractive soul, and you see a deity loving the pusher of the religion, turns her into an angel, you won’t think why the fcuk her “G*d” has made her so fcuking ugly! Amen.

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    • 17. IT.Scheiss  |  April 16, 2019 at 8:24 am

      “No reason canned tuna/sardine, Ayam or otherwise should be so expensive in Malaysia.”

      One reason why a can of tuna costs so much today is this:-

      https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=MYR&view=10Y

      I.E. the ringgit which was at RM2.98 to the U.S. dollar in May 2013 is RM4.115 to the U.S. dollar today.

      The ringgit strengthened to RM3.87 to the U.S. dollar on 7 April 2018 and has weakened since.

      Even if the tuna is canned in Malaysia, the inputs, including perhaps the tuna as well are most likely imported and must be paid for in U.S. dollars and a weaker ringgit means higher prices in ringgit on the shelves.

      The only people who benefit from a weaker ringgit are companies which export most of their products from Malaysia and are more competitive on price in U.S. dollars or earn more in ringgit terms.

      This is why the share prices of listed companies which mostly sell into the overseas market rise and the ringgit weakens, since their quarterly and annual financial statements are quoted in ringgit.

      However, we the consumers pay higher prices, especially for goods with high imported inputs or for imported goods and Malaysia imports even vegetables and fruits from China and other countries.

      Another index to look at is the U.S. Dollar Currency Index (DXY):-

      https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/TVC-DXY/

      In the past, I had observed that the ringgit weakens with respect to the U.S. dollar as the dollar strengthens on the DXY and the ringgit strengthens when the dollar weakens.

      However, more recently, this linkage has ceased, with the U.S. dollar going sideways on the DXY, whilst the ringgit weakens.

      Earlier, the strength of the ringgit corresponded somewhat to the price of Brent Crude but today with Brent having risen to US$71.18 per barrel, whilst the ringgit has weakened.

      http://www.oil-price.net/

      Perhaps out dear Finance Minister and Economic Affairs Minister can explain why our ringgit is so weak and what they hope to do to strengthen it.

      Ah yes! Mahathir had suggested the re-introduction of a ringgit peg to prevent speculators from manipulating it.

      https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2019/04/15/govt-mulls-measures-to-protect-ringgit-again/

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      • 18. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 16, 2019 at 11:58 am

        I think it is simpler to ask why things that are relatively cheap abroad (except sometimes, tuna) can be so expensive here.

        We do not need to import fruits and vegetables from China or anywhere else. We can cultivate quite a number of those ourselves, even plant our own rice. But why aren’t we?

        At one time or another countries like Singapore had campaigns asking consumers to eat more local (Malaysian!) fruits. We should encourage farmers (and others!) to grow as much food as possible (they can charge high prices too, they can export, they can take advantage of exchange rates!)

        Are we not unusually fascinated by oil palm?

        Are we not like some of those African countries in the old days, grew one great cash crop, find themselves having to, eg. eat coffee three meals a day when foreign buyers screwed them over price and refused to buy, because they don’t grow anything else?

        Have we got to love-our-palm-oil to death because we are nothing else other than endless lifetime supply of palm oil?

        China is refusing to buy, and there is nothing Theresa Love-Our-Palm-Oil “sassy” old hen, nor the DAP deity Robert Kuok can do about it!

        Chinese fruits and vegetables often cost less in Europe than here. Why is that? Often it has very little to do with exchange rates, more to do with competition, price sensitive, and more politically active/aware consumers. That means others are not docile and politicians and shops cannot piss about with them with any price movement.

        China buys a lot of its commodities by barter. It even exports many of what it bartered, think those colourful packages of cashew, macadamia nuts, etc that are very expensive here, think even re-processed cuttlefish and jellyfish – China buys those from us cheap, then sell lovely little packages of those back to us expensive, talk about fcuking mugs (not them!)

        Exchange rates have little to do with what a seller charges. An iPhone whatever has a mark up of around 1,000%, the Chinese factory gets only a few tens of dollars per phone, the poor worker gets peanuts, and you pay through your snout!

        So why doesn’t Apple sell its phones for less, add the difference in exchange rates, and the shops can still sell the phones at low prices. That is what the Chinese mobile phone companies do – and that is why and how Apple can be wiped off the market.

        I spend a lot of time each day looking at charts, many about currencies… they tell me little about what sellers should charge for their goods. For that, maybe Karl Marx explains better.

        We don’t need to trouble ourselves that much about exchange rates, we just need to get folks out to the fields, plant their own food. I grow many of my own food, it is great fun, good exercise, good sense,I get quality I know, I get quantity… I let folks use empty land I have, I “tax” them by asking a quantity of produce I circulate among charities. I enjoy doing all that, I don’t hinge my life and welfare on any exchange rate, a shop lectures me about exchange rate and their price, I simply don’t buy, the shop can display its goods till they become obsolete in three months or the Chinese come up with cheaper (often better) stuff!

        About exchange rates, and maybe currency and commodity speculation (nice form of gambling), it is mostly beyond our monkeys, invariably they all think they know (like for everything else!) even gomens can go very near bust over that, and it is un-Islamic for us.

        Malaysians should stop spending time and energy and money wnaking their heads over “multimedia superhighway/corridor”, first car, third car, flying car, etc etc., in all seriousness we don’t have quality institutions, talent, especially among our political monkeys with their bush “degrees”. Our internet doesn’t work properly, neither our telecommunication system, all we get is high charges for poor or no service…

        Two of my European friends wanted to run their separate SCO operations in Malaysia. Both found no talent, overrated cocky monkeys, poor work ability and attitude, and little English. Not to forget a “fcuked up” system of gomen and getting no work done. They chose the Philippines, at least they have folks able to work hard, want to learn, can learn, good English, if not anything else…

        Best and most realistic, we should be better peasants than most of us are not, go out to the fields, plant as much of our own fruits and vegetables as possible. Instead of talking old cock, new cock, and all cock all the time, our political monkeys should be sent to the fields, do genuinely useful things for society, all without the need for fake degrees and half degrees!

        Btw, two weekends ago, I got a small lorry’s worth of papayas off-loaded to three grocers, it made me near RM7,000. I won’t like to say what the shops charge for them, but that would be as high as any of those imported stuff! Why not? You charge what the market can bear, for Malaysians they grumble but put up with that, bugger exchange rates, the only one thing is how the price shoots up once those lovely papayas exchanged hands! I sell “cheap”, the shops shaft you!

        Next load is in a week’s time, and that is only papayas. Money does grow on trees, I actually don’t know what to do with the easy money (cash) I get every other weekend. I go to the shops to look for things to buy, I change IT products every few months… I buy all sorts of gadgets I have to buy because money comes easy… or I would only gamble on currency and commodities… For those with nothing to do in their weekends, they can in due course drink themselves stupid – I have been thinking about distilling alcohol from the great deal of surplus each few months, you see, I keep back stuff to deliberately cause scarcity…

        One last word, I do avocados too, they are half the price of the Australian ones, and half the size. But I sell them at half the price of the Australian ones – that is because, as I’ve just said, they are half the size. You get that? If you get two of my avocados to make the one Australian size, you see that I am making money off an always favourable exchange rate that doesn’t and shouldn’t exist. Few knows avocados can be grown here, they all think they are all imported.

        I love exchange rates!

        If there are donkeys, there would always be people to ride them.

        I love Malaysia too – as much boleh as there are bollocks!

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        • 19. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 16, 2019 at 5:05 pm

          Forgot to say PH has been attempting to sell a lot of red herrings.

          Pickled herrings can be very tasty, Polish pickled herrings are simply divine, though not in the “Holy” Hippo Hannah sense, but Pakatan Herrings are quite something else, doesn’t help with substituting for the price of canned tuna or sardines, and a disingenuous way of distracting the rakyat from the appalling cost of living under Pakatan Hell.

          Pakatan Hell can certainly make a big meal out of blaming Najib, Rosmah, 1MDB, Jho Low for everything the rubbish 1Term gomen can’t handle. But nobody else except PH supporters can or want to feed themselves on that big meal.

          Btw, quite a few of my friends want to cultivate rice (on a big scale and not in their gardens) but our 1Term gomen, in their 1track, 1meaning of live, love-our-palm-oil mode, can’t think their way out of a bottle of love-your-palm-oil. Apart from self-reliance where we do not need to import most of our rice, there is a strategic reason for growing our own rice, trust our fcuked up gomen to think through that one!

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          • 20. Politisheiss  |  April 17, 2019 at 4:23 am

            Where can I buy Polish pickled herrings in Malaysia?

            I’m sure they will go well with Polish Vodka Wyborowa, if it’s available here.

            Yes. Growing our own rice and producing our own food is important for our food security but this problem has plagued Malaysia since the days of the previous BN government and the Pakatan government apparently does not have a clue of how to get Malaysia to change course.

            I suppose, with their focus on whacking the former BN government and leaders over corruption, cronyism, kleptocracy, nepotism, patronage, draconian rule, Altantuya, 1MDB, Teoh Beng Hock, etc., and Pakatan’s mantra chant – “Competency, Accountability and Transparency”, “meritocracy”, “Malaysia Malaysia”, etc., the Pakatan tiada-Haparan government cannot think outside of their own box about ensuring Malaysia’s food security by encouraging more domestic food production, so they go along with implementing what was bequeathed to them from the previous BN government, such as “Love Palm Oil”, etc.

            I suppose, that’s all the Pakatan tiada-Harapan government is good at doing so as to win elections but once elected, they are at a loss as to how to address more important issues affecting the masses.

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            • 21. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 17, 2019 at 6:07 pm

              “I’m sure they will go well with Polish Vodka Wyborowa, if it’s available here.”

              Excellent with with Wyborowa, used to be cheap, till people got wind of that and Polish delights (food, not just women)

              Czech beers go well with German sausages.

              You can get Polish vodka in select stores, or order through them. Czech beers more difficult, but Belgium beers are a good substitute.

              Get and enjoy them before whipping and stoning becomes fashionable.

              Cheers!

              Not possible to get Polish pickled herrings here, and the bottle size got smaller, price gone up and up in the West.

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              • 22. Politisheiss  |  April 18, 2019 at 7:40 am

                When I was a student in the U.K. in the 1970s, we could get Vodka Wyborowa in some shops which was quite cheap compared to British vodkas such as Smirnoff. The shop on Deansgate, Manchester also sold Polish Pure Spirit – i.e. 100% proof.

                I must look around for Vodka Wyborwa in shops such as Tong Woh, Olivers, Hock Chun or maybe KK convenience stores.

                BTW. The ringgit is at RM4.1359 to the U.S. dollar right now.

                https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=MYR&view=1Y

                A friend who knows some business or financial journalists, some economic or financial analsysts as well as people in the financial and insurance industry told me last night about the likelihood of Malaysian bonds being dropped from the FTSE, which if happens will see the ringgit exchange rate plunging to RM4.40 or something lke that.

                The Edge Markets has something on the likelihood if this happens.

                https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/malaysia-faces-rm33b-outflow-risk-if-bonds-dropped-global-index-says-maybank-kim-eng

                However, it does not provide a forecast as to what could happen to the ringgit exchange if it happens.

                The latest on Malaysia Stock.biz is that foreign funds and local retail traders bought shares on Bursa, whilst local institutional funds sold but by the end of today, it could be the other way.

                Anyway, the perception amongst my neighbours is that our MP, prominent for her role as Bersih head, however is a lousy MP when it comes to serving our local concerns.

                I guess, that Pakatan politicians who have honed their skills at opposing previous BN governments find themselves catapulted into having to be the government, they don’t have a clue about how to govern, just like if a driver who is constantly being heckled by a “back seat driver”, suddenly stops teh car and tells the “back seat driver” to take over and drive.

                Right now, Tun Dr. M is the one of the few in the Pakatan government who has a long track record of governing the country, despite whatever wrongs he may have done during his tenure past and present.

                At the back of my mind, I have a gut feeling, that the Pakatan Harapan will be even more clueless at governing, once Tun Dr. M steps down, if he steps down that is.

                Let’s wait and see.

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                • 23. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 19, 2019 at 3:42 pm

                  “When I was a student in the U.K. in the 1970s, we could get Vodka Wyborowa in some shops”

                  No one told me about that, beer was a religion when I was a student, though not in the Stone Age like you…

                  But then I was never in Manchester more than two days at a time, north of London and upward was and are where the perpetually drunk natives live/d, I kept and keep off Smirnoff, bloody awful stuff, only good for the Brits. During your time in Blighty, you must have come across vodka as sold with something else, like lime or Coke… Many young Brits and the underaged are happy to drink vodka straight nowadays, keeps them off from thinking straight and facing their miserable lives…

                  If you need the bang from drinking the tasteless stuff, you can look for Chinese vodka, that’s highly rated in knowledgeable quarters in the West. The most famous brand has the strange name “Great Wall”, you can ask your favourite shop to order it for you, price is better in Asia. Throw a couple of torn salted plum or sweet dates in, and Wong’s yer uncle! Drink neat and plenty if PH comes to mind.

                  Maybe we all need to take to drinking, the outlook is certainly bad for Malaysia. It is, in fact, extremely bad. Nothing was ever right after Josef StaLim terrorised investors with the country’s debt as calculated by him. The “accountant” with the provisional qualification scared the investors so much that even the bravest ones are still running away today!

                  No doubt, in the days to come, the majority of the foreign investors would pull out their tents and leave. What’s more, our corrupt would also move their loots abroad, those in PH among them.

                  I thought it a great thing if the ringgit goes down, and further down still, I can bring in my money I borrow cheap abroad, and make a pile. But then, it won’t make any difference to spending here, the goods here would have gone up astronomically because of the exchange rates! Not saying, of course, goods are already more expensive here than in Europe or the US…

                  Contrary to what you think about Dr Death, I don’t think for one moment he is gomening or serving the country, I think he has returned to serve himself, family and cronies. And PH lets him do that.

                  Where in the world but Malaysia would anyone care for an ancient dictator with a bad record to come back to wreck the country a second time?!

                  Yes, the PH is a useless, clueless and worthless bunch, but they serve the dying pharaoh well as ready, off-the-shelf scapegoats when the time comes. And Tutantwofacedkhamamak is always too ready to blame others.

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        • 24. Politisheiss  |  April 16, 2019 at 5:30 pm

          Yes. Our farmers should grow more fruit and veg domestically but apparently do not.

          We’re also too obsessed with cash crops and other crap.

          The government’s guarantee committment due to 1MDB is RM38 billion according to Lim Guan Eng, whilst out federal government debt is RM686 billion.

          Lim Guan Eng should explain why it is so high and startt workiing to reduce that elephant in the room.

          Perhaps also introduce price controls on more items to control profiteering.

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      • 25. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 16, 2019 at 12:02 pm

        “Perhaps out dear Finance Minister and Economic Affairs Minister can explain why our ringgit is so weak and what they hope to do to strengthen it.”

        They can.

        Blame Najib, blame 1MDB.

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        • 26. Politisheiss  |  April 17, 2019 at 4:29 am

          “They can.”

          “Blame Najib, blame 1MDB.”

          Yes. That’s all they are good at providing as an excuse for their incapability – “Altantuya, Teoh Beng Hock, 1MDB, 2MDB, 3MDB, kleptocracy, nepotism, patronage, cronyism, etc, etc, etc.” when they are at a loss as to how to go addressing the problem.

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      • 27. LousyEngineer  |  April 22, 2019 at 2:25 pm

        That’s the problem with Malaysia; we’re at the mercy of other countries when it comes to food security. Our main source of food, rice, is 30% short of self sufficiency; that we have to import that shortage balance from Thailand.

        Maybe it’s time to encourage more cash crops plantation instead of just promoting (and defending) palm oil. The other day I read a story about a pair of Malay chaps who made superb money planting fruits like rock melon and pineapple near a sleepy town of Lenggong.

        As for the ringgit downtrend, it’s really due to the ongoing outflow of foreign monies. I guess the fragility of this government is freaking them out.

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  • 28. Yatie  |  April 16, 2019 at 4:17 am

    I will never vote for DAP so any party ‘bersekongkol’ with DAP will never ever get my vote! Fullstop!

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  • 29. Politisheiss  |  April 16, 2019 at 8:27 am

    Thanks for the link to the survey.

    I have filled it in, mostly expressing dissatisfaction.

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  • 30. Conrad  |  April 17, 2019 at 6:40 am

    Commander (RTD) S.Thayaparan sums up my feelings here –

    https://www.malaysiakini.com/columns/46039

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  • 32. Conrad  |  April 17, 2019 at 8:42 am

    https://www.malaysiakini.com/columns/460398

    Eh ? I mean this one.

    Are you disappointed in Harapan ?

    Yeah, another brick is my go to as well.

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    • 33. Helen Ang  |  April 17, 2019 at 9:02 am

      Thaya is spot on about Islamic fundamentalists being coddled by state fascism.

      Few other writers have the balls to articulate this sword of Damocles. Harapan will throw the Nons under the bus.

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      • 34. Abdul  |  April 17, 2019 at 11:29 am

        Taya is an ignorant person who doesn’t understand the beauty of Islam.

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        • 35. Conrad  |  April 17, 2019 at 12:32 pm

          Beauty is subjective. Spelling is not.

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        • 36. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 17, 2019 at 5:47 pm

          Can’t be any “beauty” if that needs to be forced on.

          And you can’t leave that “beauty”.

          The Almighty made Hypocrite “Holy” Hippo Hannah blooming ugly, but we do have our deluded “religious” who think he’s a “beauty”.

          Bolehland, old baru and new baru do have a lot of ignorant morons who think others are ignorant.

          That is also why back alley fakirs and wide-between-dumb-eyes and hanging protruding mouth politicians like Josef StaLim, kampong kway teow fryer scrubbers like no caste no class Hippo Hannah etc easily flog their bullsh*t to the monkeys.

          I have nothing against most beliefs, I have a lot of Shia, sufi friends. I like most Quakers and Christian Scientists.

          Buddhism does have plenty I can agree with, one of which is to get your mind right before you get infatuated with any thought (belief). Another is not to hang on to any thought. Yet another is not to believe because a book says so.

          There’s also the one about questioning everything in anything. And the one about not accepting anything just because someone “with authority” says so.

          A lot of people “with authority” in our gomens are frankly bleeding tw*cks and blessed morons, PH no exception and fine example.

          A fair number of the “religious” who preach, teach, and lead have been found to be rapists, sex abusers, child buggers, perverts. Not to mention charlatans, thieves, liars, frauds etc piously accepted by blessedly ignorant moron congregations.

          The Taoists do have lovely temples and many deities, ditto the Hindus – and why not?

          We can have flying cars, we can also have Flying Spaghetti Monster – and Hypocrite Hippo, why not?

          Rastafarians have nice hairstyle.

          And I don’t have much against the “people of the Book”, they are “G*d chosen”, if I accept the Word, I shouldn’t question the “chosen”, Amen.

          Christian monks brew some of the finest beer, and distill some of the finest alcohol, Amen.

          The Irish Catholics sign all their hot cross buns…

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          • 37. Conrad  |  April 18, 2019 at 6:40 am

            “Can’t be any “beauty” if that needs to be forced on.

            And you can’t leave that “beauty””

            Although depending on one’s interpretation of dogma , there is “beauty” in imposing and the Hotel California (sense) of never leaving. Like I said subjective.

            But I have never understood the talking point of the “beauty” of Islam. You cannot be ignorant of something subjective.

            Abdul is obviously ignorant of what Thaya has written about Islam.

            His is on record of saying that the DAP apparatchiks “true Muslim” meme is complete bollocks, because Non Muslim political parties should not be defining Islam.

            That Hallelujah Hannah should not be in hijab drag and lurking about in mosques, because political operatives should not use places of worship – any places of worship – as a hunting ground for votes.

            That the DAP should not be using religion as a means to galvanize the base – take Subang for Christ, for instance – or Islam as means of appeasing the Malay demographic – doubling Penang’s allotment to religious bodies.

            That he views PAS as probably the only political party with a coherent ideology , much like PSM’s socialism. Even though he despises Hadi Awang and he does think that unbridled socialism is the way to go.

            That there should be a market of ideas when it comes to religion and his objection to people like Zakir Naik is because there is no market place of ideas.

            I mean not knowing that is “ignorant”.

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            • 38. Conrad  |  April 18, 2019 at 10:40 am

              Edit to correct –

              Even though he despises Hadi Awang and he does think that unbridled socialism is not the way to go.

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              • 39. Helen Ang  |  April 18, 2019 at 1:44 pm

                I can agree that PSM is the best grassroots party.

                Personal anecdote: PSM were the only operatives waiting to greet us (activists wearing black to protest the BN takeover of Perak govt through frogging post-GE12) upon our release after a day-long detention in Ipoh. I remember Saras – although I hadn’t known then who she was – giving me a hug.

                Despite our assembly being to Pakatan’s benefit, the DAP dipshits there didn’t give a rat’s ass about us cannon fodder on the ground.

                So my partiality for PSM is understandable. Nonetheless, voting for PSM is voting for socialism and we’ve seen where that leads – Venezuela. How can you square voting for a party driven by socialist ideology? (I wouldn’t vote for PAS that wants a theocracy.)

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                • 40. Conrad  |  April 18, 2019 at 4:54 pm

                  “…..Nonetheless, voting for PSM is voting for socialism and we’ve seen where that leads – Venezuela. How can you square voting for a party driven by socialist ideology? …….”

                  It could also lead to countries with strong socialists policies such as Norway, Denmark etc. PAS has many socialists policies, which are what entitlements and subsidies are which is grounded in mainstream Malaysian political parties.

                  I think PSM should be part of the mainstream but their influence should be diffused – like every political party should – to avoid hegemonic control over the discourse and polity.

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                  • 41. Helen Ang  |  April 18, 2019 at 5:46 pm

                    Until not-too-long ago, the Scandinavian countries were either mono racial or their ethnic minorities were crossovers from neighbouring Nordic countries. Or in other words, they’re people who looked alike.

                    Their populations are/were small, and social trust and cohesian exteremly high. Also they’re a hardworking and responsible workforce.

                    However studies have shown that those paying into the social welfare system are willing contributors only if those taking out of the system are their own kind (the Kulasegaran logic expressed in Rantau recently). However, when the beneficiaries of the system are new immigrants of a different race and different religion, then those paying into the socialist programmes become less willing contributors.

                    In fact, the most recent election – in Finland just a couple of days ago – the anti-immigration, ultra nationalist Finns Party surged into second place.

                    I understand that with PSM’s membership profile (Indians in majority), socialism would be a good vehicle to help the marginalized and I’m sympathetic to Dr Jeya’s appeal for needs-based affirmative action programmes.

                    At the same time, it’s not difficult to see why PSM has such limited traction among M’sian voters at large. Bangsa M’sia cares little about the Hindraf Indians (constituency overlap with PSM). So you needn’t worry about PSM gaining influence or any sort of hegemonic control.

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                    • 42. Politisheiss  |  April 19, 2019 at 7:05 pm

                      “I understand that with PSM’s membership profile (Indians in majority), socialism would be a good vehicle to help the marginalized and I’m sympathetic to Dr Jeya’s appeal for needs-based affirmative action programmes.”

                      the problem is that PSM cannot implement socialist policies unless it wins power and going by the number of votes it got in the last GE and Semenyih by-election, it got as many votes as an independent candidate would.

                      About two months back, I was at a PSM forum about whether the Pakatan Harapan government serves the people’s interests or corporate interests.

                      The first two speakers presented economic data related to poverty and low-income levels in Malaysia and the third speaker Dr. Jeya said in his opening that Pakatan Rakyat politicians suffer from a “virus” called neo-liberalism which they hold firm to, implying that they refuse to be convinced otherwise.

                      Dr. Jeya mentioned PH’s “social” measures such as provision of affordable housing and public medical insurance provided by Great Eastern as examples of neo-liberal influenced social measures, though nobody gave examples of how the PH governemt serves corporate, rather than the people’s interests.

                      I could have done better by providing many real-life examples of how the PH government serves corporate, not the people’s interests, such as how they ignored protests against the island-wide highway in Penang island, how PH state governments in Penang and Selangor have continued to allow high-density, high-rise developments, including on hill slopes and so forth against residents’ objections, which have led people to dub DAP as the “Developers’ Action Party”.

                      Over the years, the PSM and other assorted leftist NGOs and groups have shown themselves to be sidekicks of the Pakatan Harapan with the primary objective to oust Najib and the BN from power, which they succeeded in doing in GE14 but after that, what next with their moves towards socialism, greater freedom for the trade unions, better conditions for the workers and the lower income group, to gain social-democratic, welfare state concessions from the PH government?

                      Pakatan Harapan, perhaps with the exception of Amanah, represent the interests of different sets of capitalists who are opposed to BN capitalists’ cronyism, nepotism, etc with all their talk about “Malaysian Malaysia”, “meritocracy”, etc. so that they can get more of the contracts, etc pie.

                      They win our votse with all their talk about “democracy”, “competency”, “accountability”, ‘transparecy”,”free speech”, “free press”. “freedom of peaceful assembly” and so forth but once in power they let us peacefully assemble and protest but ignore us and continue with business as usual.

                    • 43. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 19, 2019 at 9:52 pm

                      “the PSM and other assorted leftist NGOs and groups have shown themselves to be sidekicks of the Pakatan Harapan”

                      I don’t think it is quite that, PSM did make overtures to PH, or at least what it was, to work united over some platform, issue, and election, but was shunned.

                      More than likely they just won’t look good in the eyes of the rich that Pakatan sucks up to.

                      PSM does have good thinkers, genuine social concern, and good able speakers. I think those comic bullsh*t peddlars in Pakatan fear that. I have yet to see anything involving PSM put up for open discussion.

                      I have deep respect for how PSM sticks to its word.

                      And I have yet to see any opportunistic, double-talking two-faced snake-like fraudster or con merchant crawl out of the PSM.

            • 44. Abdul  |  April 18, 2019 at 1:40 pm

              Can’t be any “beauty” if that needs to be forced on ?

              So law can’t be any ‘beauty’ if the law needs to be forced on people like you. It is an irony that people like you accept and obey the law blindly whether you understand it or not.

              Since you don’t like the law to be forced on you, you should also abolish the law because it limits freedom of people like you to do whatever you like (including conning, slandering, defaming, stealing, raping, murdering, torturing other people, animals etc).

              Can you live freely without law enforcement ? So what would happen to your society if the law is not enforced ? Would your family and you live peacefully in the absence of law ?

              Then you would say “No…no.. we are talking about Islamic law not the secular law etc!”

              If you want the secular law to be enforced on people, the same applies to Muslims who want Islamic Law to be enforced on Muslims only so that they would not deviate from the teachings of Islam for the benefits of Muslims and non-Muslims.

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              • 45. Surrhead  |  April 18, 2019 at 2:23 pm

                Dude, you can enforce the Islamic laws onto yourself, nobody’s stopping you…..you have no right to impose that in Malaysia, where it might have effect on non muslims. There are cases where non-muslims do not get a fair ruling from Syariah court. And moreover, the PERLEMBAGAAN states, The Federal Constitution is the supreme law of Malaysia. If you want cases to be dealt via Syaria way, just go to a syariah court la, who is stopping you? That’s why you Abdul are not supposed to think or say anything, cos when you do, you tokkok….

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                • 46. Abdul  |  April 19, 2019 at 1:34 am

                  Surrhead,

                  It seems to me that you are contradicting your own words because you don’t have the ability to connect the dots.

                  And you are an ignorant person who pretends to be smart know nothing about the Social Contract, the article 3(1) etc of the Federal Constitution and the history of this country.

                  It seems to me that your vernacular school has failed to educate you and I feel sorry for you.

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                  • 47. HY  |  April 19, 2019 at 9:23 am

                    n i believe u r most probably gain yr education from a secular society. this school groom u well.

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                  • 48. Surrhead  |  April 19, 2019 at 3:47 pm

                    What social contract? who or which parties signed the contract? care to share??

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              • 49. Conrad  |  April 18, 2019 at 4:47 pm

                “So law can’t be any ‘beauty’ if the law needs to be forced……”

                “Beauty” is still subjective, Abdul, even if it used on secular law.

                Also, just to nitpick. Secular laws are open to interpretation, revision and sometimes total abandonment, which some would argue is “beautiful” in much the same way some in Islam would argue that “imposing” and “not leaving” is beautiful in Islam.

                Get it ?

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                • 50. Abdul  |  April 19, 2019 at 2:01 am

                  Conrad,

                  Secular laws are open to interpretation, revision and sometimes total abandonment which mean man-made laws are weak, unreliable, unjust and deceitful because the laws are made by the influential, powerful and rich people themselves who impose the laws on the weak and poor people to manipulate them for the benefits of the influential, powerful and rich people. No wonder the capitalists were overthrown by the communists etc in Russia, China, Cuba, Vietnam etc.

                  On the contrary, Islamic law is the permanent law of God (Allah) that will exist until the end of time. Allah as the Creator know best the true nature of human beings and their needs so He created the laws suitable for all mankind.

                  Islam is a religion of justice. God has said:

                  Truly God commands you to give back trusts to those to whom they are due, and when you judge between people, to judge with justice…. (Quran, 4:58)

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                  • 51. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 19, 2019 at 2:39 pm

                    “Truly God commands you to give back trusts to those to whom they are due”

                    How is then, that people still don’t know whom to trust?

                    Or whom whatever “are due”?

                    There’s a longstanding and old joke among the “people of the Book”, you give your “due” to the Almighty by tossing money in the air, whatever falls back is yours to keep…

                    In the absence of the truly wise and truly religious, there would appear many other books “interpreting” in many ways the one book.

                    And those many other “wise” and many other books have not helped at all, just added to the ignorance, and further confusion…

                    Faith to me is the ability to stand in front of hungry lions and stay true, the Almighty would always take care of you.

                    It is not running to another country and not standing in front of a court when charged with tax dodging, money laundering. etc.

                    But yet the multitude still flock to those lacking in true faith, and hear and follow their preaching…

                    Yes, all we need is another fake, another fraud, to come up to preach the “true”, and denounce the other fakes and frauds, Amen!

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                  • 52. Conrad  |  April 19, 2019 at 8:39 pm

                    Abdul,

                    Paul Wolfobitch I believe – see what I did there ?- speaks for those of us, who reject religious dogma as objective, which is something you as a believer “know” otherwise.

                    Christians will parrot what you said and you will reject them because you know the truth.

                    But all this isn’t about your dogma. You believe what you want to believe.

                    My issue with you was that you claimed that Thaya was ignorant i of the beauty of your beliefs. To put it simply, Thaya could be ignorant of Islamic dogma – which he has demonstrated he is not – but he cannot be ignorant of something subjective, which is what you believe is beautiful about your religion.

                    Are we on the same page here, brother ?

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              • 53. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 18, 2019 at 11:28 pm

                “for the benefits of Muslims and non-Muslims”

                What would those “benefits” for “non-Muslims” be?

                And why should “Muslims” (both genuine, whatever that means, and those who wear Arabic attire, go through the motion of piety, devotion, etc etc., but do not have Islam in their heart) decide or even speak for or about “non-Muslims”?

                What is “Islamofascism” to you?

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                • 54. Abdul  |  April 19, 2019 at 2:42 am

                  Paul Wolfobitch,

                  If all Muslims obey the teachings of Islam, they would act morally. Islamic moral compass serves or guides a person’s knowledge, sense, or intuition of correct virtues, morals, or ethics for the benefits of all mankind. Islam and Muslims have contributed science, mathematics, engineering, medicine etc to the world civilization. Please read history books and be thankful to Islam and Muslims!

                  Allah has said:

                  …And act justly. Truly, God loves those who are just. (Quran, 49:9)

                  We should even be just with those who we hate, as God has said:

                  …And let not the hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is nearer to piety…. (Quran, 5:8)

                  The Prophet Muhammad said: “People, beware of injustice,5 for injustice shall be darkness on the Day of Judgment.” (Narrated in Mosnad Ahmad, #5798, and Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #2447 )

                  What is “Islamofascism” to you? Islamofascism is an evil word invented by the enemy of Islam to slander , defame or demonize Islam and Muslims and pit non-Muslims against Muslims.

                  Which book that tells us “And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain” ?

                  Which book that tells us “And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Hesbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities we took for a prey to ourselves.” ?

                  Did Muslims kill 19 million of people during the First World War ? No !!!

                  Did Muslims kill 85 million of people during the Second World War ? No !!!

                  Did Muslims kill 3.5 millions of people during the Korean War?? No !!

                  Did Muslims kill 1,353,000 of people during the Vietnam War ? No !!

                  So please be honest and tell me who were the Fascists that had murdered so many innocent people in cold blood throughout history !!!

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                  • 55. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 19, 2019 at 2:09 pm

                    “If all Muslims”

                    “If”, indeed.

                    You are being totally disingenuous about “others” and their slaughter, ISIS etc etc did have a pretty good start at redressing the statistics, but good job they are being wiped out, I drink to that!

                    You cannot dodge the sick and sad fact that Islamofascism is equally deserving of condemning (and wiping out) even if the ragheaded noisy genocide artist terrorists have not quite caught up with the amount of slaughter the “others” have done.

                    With the scale of horrendous slaughter ISIS and assorted murderous “jihadi” morons carried out, they would have easily caught up with the statistics, had the more sensible and human not stopped them in their track, bless the Russians, etc!

                    This is not to say the sick monsters of Islamofascism have not continued to attack and terrorise and slaughter civilians the world over…

                    It is a sad reality we have the mentally disturbed from our country flying all the way to the Middle East to participate in their “jihad” and the wholesale slaughter of the innocent. Is that justifiable because “the others” have done more slaughter, and our mentally disturbed have to catch up with that?

                    I can give you an honest opinion, among others, we have one of our seriously insane “jihadis”, a doctor, who went out to Syria to join the murderous terrorist Islamofascists (nice, appropriate term) in their horrendous deeds against humanity. I am totally against that.

                    In my view, the doctor should have stayed home, paid back the money taxpayers provided for her education, save people, help the sick, and contribute to society that blessed her with her education fees.

                    Instead, and jolly good too! – she got pulverised into sambal belacan bits in a far and foreign country in the name of Islamofascism, Amen.

                    Can you not admit there’s plenty seriously wrong with the way not too few of our mentally retarded and mentally weak react to any kind of seriously moronic indoctrination?

                    How is it, Indonesia, a country many many times our size, and the largest Muslim country in the world, sent a vastly smaller amount of cannon fodder to the Middle East, while we out did them?

                    Is it because we have more of the self-righteous, the pious, the “worthy” and the “true”?

                    Or is it just that we have more bleeding nutters, the seriously selfish, and the seriously insane?

                    Sure, “the others” have slaughtered, and that needs to be addressed. The world needs to be constantly reminded of the many holocausts there was. There is a Palestinian one right now.

                    But the blight of Islamofascism, for want of any other better term, is NOW.

                    Who invented the term is irrelevant, Islamofascism, like any other kind of fascism, like any criminal enterprise against humanity has to be stopped. Citing the statistics of “the others” is not helpful, a crime against humanity is a crime against humanity.

                    That you murder one person is, it seems, not as bad as you murdered many, is no excuse.

                    You save one person, you save humanity, so says many a person from “the people of the Book”, they are actually “G*d’s chosen”, you should go along with that – even if you don’t need any book to teach you any moral or any sense of humanity.

                    That said, certain Muslims did contribute to the fight against fascism during WWII. A young Muslim woman Noor Inayat Khan gave up her life fighting fascism. But then she was a Sufi,a true (and useful) kind of Muslim for me.

                    There were Muslims who sided with the Nazis too, we all know about a certain “grand mufti”… there were also Muslims who fought alongside the Nazis, let’s face that!

                    I have on occasion come by Muslims who tell me the “other” Muslims were responsible for terrorism and murder. But I rarely come by those Muslims who would stand up and condemn their brethrens, I only get those who excused and even supported the terrorists and justify their murderous rampage! Many call the terrorists “martyrs”! Each side would call themselves “true” Muslims.

                    I don’t, for one moment, think or feel it sensible or right, it should be left to only the Muslims or “Muslims” to decide what is or is not their faith or any issue “Islamic”. A true faith can stand all tests, indeed all question, doubts, and even attacks – which, do calm down, I am not making.

                    Denying others their right to detract, question, etc etc, is, I feel, being weak, disingenuous, ignorant…

                    I believe in most instances, those (not just Muslims) who makes the biggest show about their “piety, faith, righteousness, victimhood etc etc”, and who bleat or even scream loudest about their “faith” are often the worst fakes around!

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              • 56. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 19, 2019 at 12:34 am

                “people like you”

                That based on psychic science?

                Or bomoh science?

                Or those voices in the head?

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                • 57. Abdul  |  April 19, 2019 at 2:45 am

                  Are you hallucinating again ? OMG !

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                  • 58. HY  |  April 19, 2019 at 9:25 am

                    this i can agree wakaka.

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                    • 59. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 19, 2019 at 2:19 pm

                      “this i can agree”

                      HY, must you hide under someone’s sarong before you are “brave and confident” enough to make your sneaky kampong kiasu coolie cheapskate free-ride shot?!

                      You look another “Superman” tHew in the making, bless you!

                    • 60. HY  |  April 19, 2019 at 5:54 pm

                      whatever, i just cant help it when i see this abdul fella could summarize my perception on u in a very short sentence.

                    • 61. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 19, 2019 at 8:38 pm

                      “this abdul fella could summarize my perception”

                      He can indeed.

                      He shares the same psychic bomoh as you.

                      Shares the same hallucination.

                      And swings from the same tree as you.

                  • 62. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 19, 2019 at 2:15 pm

                    “people like you”

                    So what is that to some entity who makes instant judgement based on very very little?

                    Reliance even on a self-righteous “G*d-given” hallucination?!

                    Do you get wisdom by sitting under a coconut tree, and it falls from the sky, no evidence, no need to find out more, no hard work, you automatically “know” like any good old delusion would make you?

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  • 63. HY  |  April 17, 2019 at 6:49 pm

    1. less corruption, more freedom. but may revert.
    2. some yes some no, slow pace unfortunately
    3. same with my 2
    4. ph, unless umno n pas talk less abt race n religion, while mca stand up to umno
    5. economy n education
    6. not satisfied
    7. everyone can make noise without fear, but may change by looking at the talk of some idiot mp from ph.
    8. honetly i dun know what they r doing, or did.
    9. getting pessimistic day by day
    10. msian wakaka

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    • 64. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 17, 2019 at 7:50 pm

      “less corruption, more freedom”

      Any evidence to offer?

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      • 65. HY  |  April 18, 2019 at 12:01 am

        no. purely base on perception. the survey clearly asked tell us what u think of msia baru, all my reply is not factual, i add in reasons to substatiate my opinion, thats all. logically (wakaka), a fresh government tend to reduce corruption n allow more freedom, especially if this r their assertion that bn is corrupt n suppress freedom. i also said it may turn back, could be worst, anyhow, its still too earlier to tell.

        y not u ask if helen reply come with any evidence?

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        • 66. Abdul H  |  April 18, 2019 at 5:00 am

          Fundamentally weak like your brethrens in Dapig: Trying to pass pathos as logos. “Evidence” that comes from the ass should remain there.

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          • 67. Conrad  |  April 18, 2019 at 7:22 am

            C’mon, HY’s responses has never been an exercise in Aristotelian misdirection.

            I voted Harapan and yeah, I’ll give them a term but it doesn’t mean I will stop bitching about them.

            The fun really starts when Mahathir is out of play.

            If I cannot find a reasonable reason to vote for them in the next election, I will abstain.

            But by this logic, I would not be voting for any of the mainstream parties.

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          • 68. Politisheiss  |  April 18, 2019 at 7:46 am

            Well, mass electoral politics is very much based upon perception and people’s experiences on the ground, rather than logic.

            Like if prices remain high or are rising, most consumers won’t bother whatever logical explanation is provided for it and when it comes to voting, most will vote according to their sentiment.

            Like some may vote for Nurul Izzah or Yeo Bee Yin just because they perceive them to be pretty.

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            • 69. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 19, 2019 at 12:03 am

              “Like some may vote for Nurul Izzah or Yeo Bee Yin just because they perceive them to be pretty”

              What about scrubber Hippo Hannah, then?

              Would voting him be because of perception failure, perception overload, or the eye sees something to behold?

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          • 70. HY  |  April 18, 2019 at 8:43 am

            u waving yr manhood here n there as if u hv the longest, in fact yrs one is just a tiny chick spitting cock fiction, thats evidence for u i guess.

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            • 71. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 19, 2019 at 12:18 am

              “thats evidence for u”

              Would that be “perception” for you, then?

              “u hv the longest”

              That alone shouldn’t be the sole consideration, however you perceive the thing of your obsession and joy.

              “Longest” and thin doesn’t help much, applies only to vermicelli.

              There’s also girth, shape, and, most of all its ability to perform

              Thought old Anwar would have told you…

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          • 72. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 19, 2019 at 12:29 am

            “pathos as logos”

            That’s all Greek to me.

            When we should be using the superior language and logic (don’t know our own word for that if we have that) of “ketuanan”.

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        • 73. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 18, 2019 at 6:24 am

          “a fresh government tend to reduce corruption n allow more freedom”

          That a fact?

          “y not u ask if helen reply come with any evidence?”

          Why?

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          • 74. HY  |  April 18, 2019 at 11:56 am

            aiyo my bitchy fren, i already said mine is all perception, i even use the term tend to, how many times do u have to rehash the same point and get shot down in the same way before the lightbulb starts to flicker in yr head. aiyoyo.

            n i am curious y u only asked me n not helen if her answer is factual based. or u want my elaboration again kah?

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            • 75. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 18, 2019 at 11:54 pm

              “bitchy”… “get shot down”… “the lightbulb”…

              Those “all perception”?

              “i am curious y u only asked me n not helen if her answer is factual based”

              Why “helen”?

              And why just “helen”?

              I am not designed to have any “lightbulb”, perhaps you could elaborate on what I don’t see and you do with what “helen” wrote that is not “factual based” to you (and therefore should be for me too).

              Then I can ask “helen” the question for you, since you are too timid or bashful to ask yourself.

              I hope it is not your perception (delusion?) and persecution complex you feel picked-on, if I ask you, I must also ask “helen”.

              And why?

              It could just be that you squirm around and about with your escape clause it’s all your “perception”, your “lightbulb” can’t work on anything “factual based” (whatever the bollocks you perceive that means).

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              • 76. HY  |  April 19, 2019 at 8:54 am

                bitchy is a perceived description, the rest is my intuitive reaction to suit bitchy. only helen n me answer the survey in this thread, its normal if i ask y. if u cant reply or not willing to reply, thats
                fine, not my concern at all.
                the survey

                hv u not been paying attention whatsoever of what i write? the survey asked what do u think, my reply is of course what i think, do i need to start my each reply with i think…..

                can u get a grip on yr comprehension skill before responding to me, i start to feel bore to repeat myself la.

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  • 77. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 19, 2019 at 12:45 pm

    “intuitive reaction”

    You mean an insect’s twitch?

    “can u get a grip on yr comprehension skill before responding to me”

    It is a tough call understanding your appalling mangled Manglish.

    And your typing skill of a spastic doesn’t help your great cause.

    You can’t blame the audience for your disability.

    “i start to feel bore to repeat myself la”

    That’s a grasshopper mind needing and seeking incessant gratification.

    An “intuitive” guess would award you the label ADHD.

    Addressing being “bored”, and gratifying yourself for that is your own problem, you can’t blame others for not stimulating you, this is not an “Anwar” kind of interest, you need sooth yourself by yourself.

    And tame that monkey mind (in the Zen sense).

    Btw, are you not dragging her into your rant and using “helen” as a shield for your lack of manhood or boyhood? Why do you need to do that “helen n me” thing (should be “helen and I”)?

    It would not be incorrect ethic, “helen” stands her own ground, and you yours.

    And I ask “helen” my own question (if need be), and you yours (you need to).

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    • 78. HY  |  April 19, 2019 at 6:18 pm

      i agree i dun possess the similar skill to write in such verbose style n unnecessarily convoluted sentences, yeah my bad.

      n is this a merry-go-around? i asked a question, if u choose to ignore them, fine by me, if u choose not to ignore them, also fine by me. what u do or think, and what u dont do and dont think, r of absolutely no consequence to me.

      so anymore question on fact n perception?

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      • 79. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 19, 2019 at 8:40 pm

        “i agree i dun possess the similar skill”

        And that is not all..!

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  • 80. Conrad  |  April 19, 2019 at 9:03 pm

    Helen Ang | April 18, 2019 at 5:46 pm

    I think we have to unpack a couple of things. Your reply did not address the efficacy of socialism , only the variables which have led to ideological agitations in traditionally “liberal” Nordic regions.

    Mono ethnic environs is conducive to most kinds of social and political policies/ideologies because – I don;t know – “culturally” it is easier to navigate ? Changing geo political forces from dying empires and corporate interest are of course changing this.

    White people complaining about paying for entitlements or subsidizes for colored people does not address the issue of the value (or lack thereof)of these policies.

    It like in this country. The standard narrative is that the Non Malays are paying for the entitlements of the majority Malays and that they are being discriminated against when it comes to the implementation of these policies. What we are talking about here is housing, healthcare, education, what have you.

    Whether this narrative is true or not should not detract from the question, of whether these policies work ? Since I am not not one of those fancy intellectual types, I tend to answer these questions by attempting to discover if a certain policy has some sort of utilitarian value instead of attempting to frame it in some grand ideology.

    Socialism has become a bad word, because most of its critics parrot the dummy right wing narrative from the US, where they think that socialism begins and ends with Venezuela or before that big bad Russia.

    Heck even they DAP heaped some “socialist shit” on PSM hinting that Malay rights would be in jeopardy under a socialist system even though PSM has fielded Malay/Muslim candidates and one of their big cheeses is Muslim.

    Politisheiss, did a good job of parsing the rhetoric and politics of PSM and Harapan but ultimately the “socialism” tag is just propaganda considering the policies (socialists) in place in this county and the official religion of the land is grounded in socialist group think and dogma.

    I would argue that any influence that PSM may get, would be better than the ethno religious nonsense coming from mainstream political parties.

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    • 81. Helen Ang  |  April 19, 2019 at 10:28 pm

      re: “Socialism has become a bad word”

      B’cos the ideology doesn’t work, and has brought disaster. Don’t forget too the Nazi party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) was ‘socialist’.

      It was you that brought up the Nordic countries as a success model. Functionally it was, until it wasn’t. Ultimately socialism breaks down, as you’ve yourself pointed out in USSR or is abandoned as in China.

      A socialist framework is inbuilt within it its own structural weaknessness, i.e. implementation that’s open to and riddled with abuse.

      The immigrants all headed for Germany and Sweden. If they were genuinely fleeing for their lives and not merely to take economic advantage of the generous welfare benefits, they would have stopped at the first European country – say Hungary – to apply for asylum as per EU law.

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  • 82. Conrad  |  April 19, 2019 at 11:27 pm

    “B’cos the ideology doesn’t work, and has brought disaster….”

    So has capitalism , combined with Judaeo Christian imperatives, look at the history of colonialism, slavery (as state sanctioned commercial enterprise) and Big Business.

    I brought up the Nordic countries as a counter example to your example of Venezuela.

    “Functionally it was, until it wasn’t.”

    This goes for every system.

    “A socialist framework is inbuilt within it its own structural weaknessness, i.e. implementation that’s open to and riddled with abuse.”

    The same could be argued of capitalism. Again look at the legal framework which protects corporate interests at the expense of public interests. The disparity in liability for (1) crime, (2) negligence in heath care and (3) the privatization of warfare, just for example.

    “The immigrants all headed for Germany and Sweden. If they were genuinely fleeing for their lives ….”

    Again, what has this do with the efficacy of the socialist system unless the argument is that it is open to abuse. The same could be applied to flooding the borders of the US which is not a socialists paradise.

    Furthermore thousands of people are heading to Germany and Sweden because Germany and Sweden for various reasons are welcoming them, which has caused the leadership of both countries, politically.

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    • 83. Helen Ang  |  April 20, 2019 at 12:34 am

      re: “Functionally it was, until it wasn’t.” // “This goes for every system.”

      Well, a huge majority of the world has decided that capitalism works for them. The leading state where socialism is still extant as its national ideology is Cuba.

      As to which system will break down first (in practicality), we can revisit this debate taking USA vs Sweden 10 years down the road, or maybe five.

      re: Both systems open to abuse and ending up harming public interest

      Again I’m staking on the USA vs Sweden comparison. Both suffer from illegal immigration, (i) uber capitalist country offering low wage jobs in the black market vs (ii) socialist country offering generous welfare to its illegals.

      Let’s see which one suffers social breakdown first. NOTE: Another generous Scandinavian welfare state, Denmark, had a riot only a few days ago, http://cphpost.dk/news/copenhagen-wakes-up-to-carnage-after-anti-islam-protest-turns-into-riot.html

      re: Political cost to German vs American lewder

      In 2015 alone when Merkel flung open the doors of her country, TWO MILLION immigrants arrived, of which some have been redistributed/coerced upon poorer EU countries by strong arm Germany. Trump’s election promise is “Build That Wall”.

      Their respective political fortunes:

      (a) Merkel has been forced to relinquish chairmanship of her party, to promise that she will not be seeking reelection and it’s suspect whether she can complete her full term as Chancellor,

      (b) Trump is on his way as a two-term president and expects a better 2020 showing than his 2016 debut.

      To me, it’s not productive to debate the ideological merits of Capitalism vs Socialism. It’s simply which system has proven to work better in the real world, human nature being what it is.

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      • 84. Conrad  |  April 20, 2019 at 12:54 am

        “Well, a huge majority of the world has decided that capitalism works for them…”

        And where did I argue otherwise ?

        I have no idea which system will break down first between the US and Sweden because I did not put forward the argument that one was better than the other. Indeed to imply that Sweden is not a capitalist democracy is well, wrong.

        “Let’s see which one suffers social breakdown first.”

        ” (i) uber capitalist country offering low wage jobs in the black market vs (ii) socialist country offering generous welfare to its illegals.”

        Point (1) is wrong. It’s not uber capitalist only but normal business offering low wages in the open market aided and abetted by local authorities which turn a blind eye – to help the local economy – and keep the prices of goods low.

        Point (11) is a misrepresentation. Socialists countries are offering generous welfare to its citizens who pay for it through their taxes.If illegals make use of that this is a legal and political issue.

        As for the the whole Merkel VS Trump detour, I have no idea what brought this about. You think Trump will get a second term because of his race baiting and you think Merkel was finished because of her lack of race baiting.

        That’s fine.

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        • 85. Helen Ang  |  April 20, 2019 at 1:31 am

          re; “Well, a huge majority of the world has decided that capitalism works for them…” // “And where did I argue otherwise ?”

          People eventually adopt the system that works. Or at least works better than its rival systems. You’re arguing that ‘socialism’ is not a bad or scary word. The majority of the world disagrees in practice.

          re: “I did not put forward the argument that one was better than the other. Indeed to imply that Sweden is not a capitalist democracy is well, wrong.”

          You held up the Nordic countries (Sweden) for their strong socialist policies. I did not put forward or imply that Sweden is not capitalist or democratic.

          re: ”offering low wages in the open market aided and abetted by local authorities which turn a blind eye”

          If they’re illegals, then their work is ‘black’ (wages not ‘white’ vis-a-vis proper official paperwork).

          re: “Socialists countries are offering generous welfare to its citizens who pay for it through their taxes.”

          See my subsequent reply viz. Swedish examples, i.e. elderly Swedes not getting optimal healthcare, and ‘refugee’ families prioritized over natives for public housing.

          re: “As for the the whole Merkel VS Trump detour, I have no idea what brought this about. You think Trump will get a second term because of his race baiting and you think Merkel was finished because of her lack of race baiting.”

          (a) Trump is campaigning on creating jobs (capitalism), Merkel is defending her decision to extend welfare (socialist policy) to illegal immigrants.

          (b) To be clear, “Build that Wall” is nothing to do specifically with keeping Muslim or Middle Easterners out. So you’re saying Trump’s “race baiting” is b’cos he wants to block the illegal entry of Mexicans, Hondurans and other Hispanics. If Canadians were crossing illegally in caravans, he would be securing the USA’s northern border too.

          As for your praise of Merkel’s “lack of race baiting”, she’s finished because enough German protesters chanting “Merkel Muss Weg!”, heckling and throwing rotten eggs at her staunchly believe she’s not adequately ‘German First’ (MAGA).

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          • 86. Conrad  |  April 20, 2019 at 1:47 am

            “The majority of the world disagrees in practice…..”

            No they don’t. The people who vote in elections in democracies may disagree but in most democracies they vote for parties which adopt some kind of socialist principles.

            “You held up the Nordic countries (Sweden) for their strong socialist policies.”

            Not really. I held up the Nordic countries as a counter example of how socialists polices work, as a counter point to your example of Venezuela where it does not work.

            Although it did not work in that country because of the massive corruption but hey, why quibble on details.

            “If they’re illegals, then their work is ‘black’…”

            Actually they pay taxes, so their work is not “black”

            “…..Merkel is defending her decision to extend welfare (socialist policy) to illegal immigrants.”

            Well unless they are deported what other option is there ?

            “Build that Wall” is nothing to do specifically with keeping Muslim or Middle Easterners out. ”

            Actually Trump did say that they were middle eastern terrorist coming in through the border wall. I say he race baits because he does. He has a history of race baiting.

            “… staunchly believe she’s not adequately ‘German First’”

            And I’m sure if the Nazi party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) were around, they would get the egg throwers votes even though the party is socialist .

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            • 87. Helen Ang  |  April 20, 2019 at 10:50 am

              re: “in most democracies they vote for parties which adopt some kind of socialist principles.”
              Let’s see how Mr Socialist Bernie Sanders fares in the Democratic 2020 primary.

              re: “I held up the Nordic countries as a counter example of how socialists polices work, as a counter point to your example of Venezuela where it does not work.”
              Swell. Keep your eyes glued on developments in Sweden [cars torched] and Denmark.

              re: “Although it did not work in that country because of the massive corruption but hey, why quibble on details.”
              Gomen corruption happens in capitalist countries too – think someone’s 22+1 year tenure – but their citizens are not reduced to eating dogs and zoo animals.

              re: “Actually they pay taxes, so their work is not ‘black’.”
              Legal immigrants pay taxes albeit some illegals do too. But the majority don’t. See below, they’re working “under the table in the underground, cash-based economy“.

              re: “Well unless they are deported what other option is there?”
              Merkel has already exercised Germany’s option of arm-twisting the poorer EU countries to accept a portion.

              re: ‘Actually Trump did say that they were middle eastern terrorist coming in through the border wall.”
              Yes, actually he did say Muslim terrorists would try to hide and sneak in among the caravaners. But to be fair to him, the caravan crisis started late 2018 to present whereas his ‘Build the Wall’ signature chant was 2015-2016.

              re: “And I’m sure if the Nazi party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) were around, they would get the egg throwers votes even though the party is socialist.”

              The egg throwers despise Merkel for her ‘EU First, Germany Second’ behaviour as seen in this video.

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              • 88. Conrad  |  April 20, 2019 at 12:07 pm

                “Let’s see how Mr Socialist Bernie Sanders fares in the Democratic 2020 primary.”

                If they (DNC) don’t screw him up again, it would be interesting. Even Trump thought – during the last election – that Bernie was the only legitimate challenge to him.

                “…but their citizens are not reduced to eating dogs and zoo animals”

                Like what happened in Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union and capitalism was taking root ?

                “…. they’re working “under the table in the underground, cash-based economy“.

                I have no idea about your cite. Mine is based on the non partisan ITEP –

                https://itep.org/wp-content/uploads/undocumentedtaxes.pdf

                “….. But to be fair to him,…”

                Why should I be. He is a pathological liar and immigration numbers were going down. This spurt is part and parcel of the rapidly changing Geo political scene in Americas.

                “The egg throwers despise Merke;….”

                Yeah, I get that

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  • 90. Conrad  |  April 20, 2019 at 12:34 am

    Edit to add.

    Upon further reflection maybe you could point out, which socialists policies you think do not work. As I said up thread, I attempt to view policy – regardless of ideology – in its utilitarian value . Some may take exception with this, but hey, life’s to short.

    I’m not advocating majoritarian uber alles or anything like that (and neither I think are you) but it seems to me, we are going around in circles. Looking back at our replies we seem to be arguing in general about specific models of theory which is unproductive.

    I think capitalism is dysfunctional but as a broad theory/system of governance it is better -in a utilitarian sense, when it comes to realizing first principles – than the other economic /ideological theories out there.
    .
    But I could argue the hell against it especially when theory is merely part of the gestalt of governance in most democracies.

    So what exactly is PSM advocating in terms of policy do you think will not work in this country ? How is is different from what the mainstream political parties are advocating ?

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  • 92. Conrad  |  April 20, 2019 at 1:16 am

    “Those in Sweden…..”

    What exactly do you think is not working ? Socialized healthcare ? What about the system in place here ? Do you think it is not working ? I’m trying to get a handle on what you’re objecting to ?

    “…..levers of power refuse to entertain….”

    But this is not really a problem with socialism , right ? I mean the levers of power always refuse to entertain demands from the opposition.

    “Or perhaps you can direct me to a PSM manifesto you wish me to read?”

    I could but you seem to be pretty uptodate on PSM.

    In the meantime, this might interest you @ https://partisosialis.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Handling-Religion-in-the-Malaysian-Context.pdf

    I have read it. What do you think I would find interesting ?

    My views (not surprising) are in line with Thaya’s who responded to Dr.Jeya when he wrote about hudud –

    https://dinmerican.wordpress.com/2016/06/06/answering-jeyakumars-questions-on-hudud/

    I hope you do not mind me linking to Din’s blog. I could not find the original Mkini article

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    • 93. Helen Ang  |  April 20, 2019 at 1:34 am

      Will read Din link and revert.

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    • 94. Helen Ang  |  April 20, 2019 at 10:23 am

      re: “What exactly do you think is not working [in Sweden]?”
      The brains of its socialist bureaucrats running the day-to-day programmes of its welfare system.

      re: “What about the system in place here? Do you think it is not working? I’m trying to get a handle on what you’re objecting to?”
      Take our super-sized investment in socialized education, speaking here of pre-U level. I’ve been Whatsapped a petition saying Indian top scorers are not being given Matriculation seats despite the Najib regime earlier allocating reserved minority ethnic places. This non-compliance under Harapan’s watch is even more insidious.

      As I’ve said, welfare works best in small, mono-ethnic countries like Scandinavia (before they experienced their recent demographic makeover). Studies have shown that contributors support the system when it’s for their own race but this support starts to dissipate when the benefits are claimed by outsiders.

      “But this is not really a problem with socialism, right? I mean the levers of power always refuse to entertain demands from the opposition.”
      It’s a problem when socialist demands remain only a wish list that governments all but ignore. Gomens around the world adhere to capitalism with the exceptions of socialist states Cuba and (quasi socialist) China, plus according to Wiki, Vietnam and Laos. Period. No others.

      “What do you think I would find interesting?”
      Quote from the document: “When non-Muslims go around basing their argument on Koranic quotes, it feeds this belief, and reinforces the argument for an Islamic State.“Unquote … Looks like PSM also noticed the shenanigans of DAP’s Hallelujah Squad.

      re: RUU355
      Harapan is throwing LGBTs to the wolves already.

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  • 95. Conrad  |  April 20, 2019 at 11:56 am

    “The brains of its socialist bureaucrats running the day-to-day programmes of its welfare system.”

    So if they had better brains ,the programs would work ?

    “Take our super-sized investment in socialized education, speaking here of ……”

    But your objections seems to be about the discrimination . If there was no discrimination or minimal discrimination, would you still object to it ?

    “As I’ve said, welfare works best in small, mono-ethnic countries like Scandinavia ….”

    But we have a welfare system here for the Malays which is part and parcel of a specific ideology . This has been going on for years using tax ringgit and most Malaysians were happy with the system voting in successive BN regimes.

    Now the agenda seems to be making the system class based instead of race based. The question still remains, do you think socialist policies are not working here in Malaysia ?

    “It’s a problem when socialist demands remain only a wish list that governments all but ignore….”

    But many other capitalist demands are not met. Unfettered regulation, ever more tax breaks etc. I mean, when PSM advocates for better subsidized healthcare for instance or a higher minimum wage or wrokers rights when it comes to compensation, do you think this is something the government should handle or not ?

    “Looks like PSM also noticed the shenanigans of DAP’s Hallelujah Squad.”

    Funny thing is, that Dr. Jeya is a Tamil Methodist and there is none of this Hallelujah crap coming from him.

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    • 96. Helen Ang  |  April 20, 2019 at 12:43 pm

      re: “So if they had better brains, the programs would work?”
      Stockholm Syndrome, https://twitter.com/SellsRealty/status/990624649410220037

      re: ”But your objections seems to be about the discrimination. If there was no discrimination or minimal discrimination, would you still object to it?”
      The takeaway from those Scandinavian studies I’ve been mentioning is the more diverse the society, the lower is their social trust. Indian students not getting Matric places this year could be due to discrimination, and this resulting from lack of social trust from the little bureaucrats in Education Ministry. My point of contention remains that the more diverse our society, the lower chance that socialist programmes will be implemented fairly.

      And here’s irony for you: PSM bringing up this matter will only have them being called “racist” (Indian party concerned with only one segment of the population) by the virtue-signalling Bangsa Malaysians.

      re: “But we have a welfare system here for the Malays which is part and parcel of a specific ideology. This has been going on for years using tax ringgit and most Malaysians were happy with the system voting in successive BN regimes.”
      Enough voters unhappy with the system, so much so that the incumbent BN was regime changed.

      re: “Now the agenda seems to be making the system class based instead of race based. The question still remains, do you think socialist policies are not working here in Malaysia?”
      Which Harapan bigwig this year has promoted class-based implementation? What we’ve been hearing from Mahathir and his Chosen One (Azmin) is Malay agenda and continuation of NEP while what we’ve been hearing from DAP is crickets.

      re: “But many other capitalist demands are not met.”
      PSM itself has declared that both BN and Harapan are “neo liberal”. Much, much better chance for capitalist demands than PSM’s to be met. Remember Dr Edmund Terence Gomez’s hypothesis on the nexus between politics, public policy and capital? Minister Yeo Bee Yin is married to the scion of Malaysia’s fifth richest billionaire. Interesting, eh?

      re: “… do you think this is something the government should handle or not?”
      Going by their track record (Pakatan/Harapan has also been government of some of the biggest state economies since 2008), PSM’s recommendations will be binned. Oh, have I mentioned already that PSM has been consistently labelled an Indian party? “Raciiist!”

      re: “Funny thing is, that Dr. Jeya is a Tamil Methodist and there is none of this Hallelujah crap coming from him.”
      Dr Michael is not a Born Again, and he does not appear to be religiously judgmental. The DAP Hallelujah horde are convinced that we’re all “evil sinners”. They’re really the other side of the coin to PAS.

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  • 97. Politisheiss  |  April 20, 2019 at 5:20 pm

    @ Paul Wolfobitch,

    Firstly, I like your moniker, since Paul Wolfowich, the neo-conservative, was a prime architect behind the U.S. imperialist wars on Afghanistan and Iraq, though Anwar Ibrahim regards him as a ‘good friend’ and even visited Wolfowich after Anwar’s first release from prison and even supported Wolfowich in his bid for chairmanship of the World Bank.

    It is this western orientation of Anwar and PKR which makes me wary of them, since whilst we have genuine domestic political grievances and at that time with Mahathir, UMNO and the BN over many issues, however outside imperialist interests exert their soft power to take advantage of domestic grievances to gain access to a country’s key economic sectors and to gain political influence.

    This recent video which appeared shortly after Pakatan won GE14 is proof of the role which the International Republican Institute with the help of the National Endowment for Democracy, played in helping Malaysia’s opposition parties and NGOs to defeat the BN, which had grown closer to China. That Daniel Twinning guy of the IRI reveals it all as part of U.S. imperialism’s long game.

    Here is the full video from which the above clip was taken. (The sound is silent in the first about 30 to 45 seconds)

    In response to the video clip, especially leading PKR politicians and pro-Pakatan or anti-BN NGOs were running around like headless trying to explain their way our of Daniel Twinning’s claims or to distance themselves from it.

    Whilst I do not discount the need for Malaysians to address genuine grievances with the government, however relying on U.S. imperialist backed bodies such as the NED or organisations established by or funded by George Soros, is like selling one’s soul to the devil for relief from current problems, since sooner or later the devil will demand his due.

    Now coming round to your statement in your earlier post.

    “I don’t think it is quite that, PSM did make overtures to PH, or at least what it was, to work united over some platform, issue, and election, but was shunned.”

    At one time, PSM was bidding to become a part of what was then Pakatan Rakyat but was rejected and later came into conflict with some PR parties which contested the same seats which PSM wanted to contest in. For example, the Selangor state seat of Kota Damansara which Dr.Nasir won with a slim majorityin a two-cornered fight with UMNO in 2008 but lost to UMNO in a three-cornered fight with PAS, then a PR member party.

    However, whilst PSM regards both BN and Pakatan parties as capitalist parties serving capitalist interests, however it has alwayys regarded Pakatan parties as the ‘lesser evil’ and I believe that PSM’s strategy to work with Pakatan, pro-Pakatan and anti-BN NGOs to oust BN is based upon the Comintern’s and Mao’s strategy of participating in a united front of all political forces, whether communist, socialist or capitalist, which had a common objective to fight for independence from the coloniser, which in our case was Britain. This communist strategy in colonial countries called a “two-stage revolution” aimed to win independence and if the communists won power, was to first establish a new democratic republic which would still operate as a capitalist society and economy under communist supervision and the communist government would then begin implementing the second stage to move the society and economy to a socialist republic in which the means ofproduction, distribution and exchange are socially owned and in which prodution is to serve society’s needs, rather than the interests of private profit.

    I have not heard about a two-stage revolution strategy from the PSM itself but rather from some members of Hishamuddin Rais’ Universiti Bangsar Utama who attended a PSM public forum in Petaling Jaya around 2000.

    I had asked the forum, in which Premesh Chandran of Malaysiakini moderated and where journalist James Wong Wing Onn spoke, whether PSM should involve itself with the Reformasi movement, which essentially was a movement by a faction of Malaysia’s capitalist class against another faction and one of the four UBU guys said that socialists should support Reformasi as part of a two-stage revolution to oust BN.

    Another possibility is that PSM is following the policy advocated to western communists by Lenin in his pamphlet – ‘Left Wing’ Communism: An Infantile Disorder, in which he criticised western communist groups who refused to participate in workers’ movements and with workers’ parties, claiming that they we not ideologically pure enough and they did not want to work with them. In his pamphlet, Lenin scolded the such western leftists that if they remained in their politically pure sects, they would never gain any influence or support of the working class. Such leftists are termed “ultra-leftists” in Marxist-Leninist terminology, in that they exist in the realm of ideals – like reclusive monks in a monestary, rather than be willing to go down amongst the masses, work with them in their struggles, even lead some struggles and in the process conver then to Marxist-Leninist ideology, similar to priests who go amongst the impure masses to win them over to give up their former lives of crime or vice and come over to their religion and to God.

    Now unlike the Social Democratic Party of Germany and other social democratic parties in Europe and elsewhere, which were members of the Second International (1880 – 1920), an alliance of socialist ane workers’ parties which were Marxist and which built trade unions, contested elections, and were deeply involved in the life of the working class in each country; however the ideology of Britain’s Labour Party, founded in 1990 by the trade unions and assorted leftist groups, including the the Independent Labour Party, the intellectual and largely middle-class Fabian Society, the Marxist Social Democratic Federation and the Scottish Labour Party, was not officially Marxist, though there were Marxist within the Labour Party, which ahd similar aims as the Second International and achieved reforms which benefitted the workers within Britain’s democratic capitalist system and the Labour Party contested in elections to win seats and be able to introduce socialist measures into Britain.

    In 1918, the Labour Party included Clause IV into its constitution, which is regarded as a statement of its committment to socialsm.

    “To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service.”

    The early Labour Party up until its defeat by Thatcher’s Conservatives in 1979 was committed to nationalisation of Britain’s industries.

    You can read more about the Labour Party here:-

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clause_IV

    Now in his pamplet, ‘Left Wing Communism’, especially in the chapter – “Left-Wing” Communism in Great Britian, Lenin urged British communists to work with rank and file members of the Labour Party, workers’ organisatons, the trade unions and so forth and to participate in their struggles, in which Lenin famously called upon British communists to “support the Labour Party as a rope supports a hanged man”, and this has led many British far-left parties to call for voters to vote for the Labour Party where their candidate was not standing – i.e. to vote for the lesser evil until today, even though today’s Labour Party, especially since the time of Tony Blair, has removed Claus IV from its constitution, more or less gave up its socialist objectives, expelled its radical left Trotskyite faction (I’m no Trotskyite BTW) and has move towards the right and morphed into a “kinder and gentler” capitalist party than the Conservatives.

    However despite all that, many far-left groups in Britain, including many Trotskyite parties and groups, still callfor a vote for the Labour Party in elections, though some far-leftists have stopped giving their support for the Labour Party and instead have denounced it as a capitalist and pro-imperialist party (like Britain under Tony Blair which supported Britain’s involvement in the war on Iraq, Afgahanistan and so forth as an ally of U.S. imperialism).

    Now back to the PSM, it appears to me that in similar vein, they are supporting a vote for Pakatan as the ‘lesser evil’, even though Pakatan is comprised of capitalist parties, with no workers’ parties amongst them and many Pakatan parties and their politicians subscribe to neo-liberalism similar to Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan and which many social democratic parties in Europe and elsewhere have implemented neo-liberal austerity measures and this is why many citizens of these countries have turned towards the anti-globalist, supposedly anti-EU and supposedly anti-neoliberal populist right.

    Whilst I would not say that Trump is totally anti-neoliberal and anti-globalist, however he has re-introduced some protectionist measures and has quashed U.S. participation in the TPPA, which are measures anathema to neoliberalism.

    Anyway, the PSM sees the Pakatan as the ‘kinder’ capitalists who allow more political space for people to peacefully protest, to speak up and so forth, despite Pakatan’s neoliberal policies which PSM criticises but cannot convince them to introduce some social democratic reforms which PSM wants.

    “PSM does have good thinkers, genuine social concern, and good able speakers.”

    Perhaps they do but there is little they can do to convince Pakatan to adopt some of the policies they propose.

    “I think those comic bullsh*t peddlars in Pakatan fear that. I have yet to see anything involving PSM put up for open discussion.”

    Obviously they won’t because Pakatan is neoliberal. They will be OK with more freedom of speech, more social, cultural and religious freedom, competency, accountability and transparency and so forth but will resist any curtailment of the freedom of capitalists in the economic sphere, such as nationalisation of industry, higher taxes on profitable companies to pay for better social services, greater freedom for workers to form or join trade unions, greater freedom for trade unions to strike for more pay and better conditions, more affordable, state-built public housing for the B40 group and so forth.

    Just wait and see and I won’t be surprised if the Pakatan government privatises some GLCs or divest majority of minority equity owned by the Malaysian government in these GLCs.

    Now I can already hear some protests condemning government-owned GLCs as “inefficient”, “crony” and so forth bodies and yes, whilst that may have been so under past BN governments, however the solution is not for the Pakatan government to privatise them but clean up the mess in them and make them play their role in adding to the wealth of Malaysia and to benefit the people.

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    • 98. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 24, 2019 at 2:46 am

      @Politisheiss

      Wolfowitz was indeed one of the architects of the illegal Iraq invasion, and a fellow mass murderer in the discredited enterprise which saw countless innocents slaughtered on such massive scale. Interesting how comfortable Anwar was with the conspirators against the (Muslim) world, he would sleep with the vipers against his own kind (don’t know what that is, actually, that depends on the phase of the moon for him) if it gives him the whiffaste of power, and the thought of an opportunity to rule Malaysia through the assistance of regime change artists, selling his own mother is fine.

      Actually, selling his own grandmother is fine too, Anwar once tried to sell the yarn about how his granny taught him moral when he came home with a couple of stolen fruits. Anwar spun the unlikely story (he said the fruits belonged to nobody, since nobody owned the tree he didn’t own), it was with that batch of fairy tales in which Anwar sold himself as a seriously religious reader of every holy religious book there was – all inside a prison, when he was no busy yelling about his bad back and nobody bending over backward for him. If there Gospel of the Magic Flying Spaghetti Monster, you can bet Anwar had read that too…

      Anwar did unwisely boast after his spell with those notorious Yank neo-cons how he “predicted” the fashion of “Arab Spring” way before time – which happened to coincide with the period he played niggah boy and stooge to the neo-cons, and was clearly in early on the enterprise of regime change through staged rabble rousing. Arab Spring failed, and failed horribly, but even so, the fcuking dumb Anwar was so proud of his ability to “foresee events” – and advertise himself as a dumb neo-con plantation niggah accomplice for regime change!

      It was said that Anwar even found Wolfowitz a Muslim girlfriend, and, probably taught Wolf creature how to use spit on a comb when grooming himself.

      Anwar looked a damn embarrassing twit kampong crawling clown in that famous photo when he had the grovelling colonial niggah’s look, all wet with uncontrollable excitement at the honour of sitting with his massahs. How sick and pathetic, this cheap kampong trashbag on two legs! Anwar would sink to any level to debase himself – all through his own genius and effort!

      I have not really followed the discussion here on “socialism”, when used as a term for or by any gomen – or colour of any policy, I haven’t ever see “socialism” in action anywhere, I don’t think there’s been any “socialist” gomen anywhere. Or maybe even “socialist” policy. That as applied in Scandinavia is but the “compassion” of benign capitalism. Any attempt at being “socialist” would see the Yanks bring that gomen down, eg. the Allende gomen, the attempts to destablise the Chavez gomen of Venezuela – among others.

      Hitler was a “socialist”, so was Lee Kuan Yew – even when both were more fascist than anything else!

      I don’t routinely or conveniently follow the narratives of the MSM, nothing is as “straightforward” or cut and dried as that would make things easy for the sheep.

      Other than serving as a convenient label usually for gomens or policies that the Yanks MSM or politicians do not like, I think “socialism” means different things to different people.

      I doubt if the Yanks know what socialism is, even for the likes of Bernie Sanders (him, plenty rich fella!), AOC, etc. The Yanks do have the ignorance and paranoid fear of the word socialism, and, still greater (automatic/robotic) hatred of communism. Well and good if they know what either is, but the Yanks very generally don’t!

      I don’t know what being “left” means nowadays, the term seemed hijacked for another lazy label.

      Some of our good colonial servile monkeys seem to follow the use of the term as by US MSM, there is usually nothing “left” in the thinking of eg. the Yank “Left” or any faction of the Brit Labour Party – you can’t get anybody more fcuking “right wing” and fascist than Holy Tony who “prayed with Bush Junior”!

      What “is” or “is not” “socialist” or “left” is a big topic, and is not straightforward or simple, we need first to know what those terms mean to what person/people. I would be careful not to be too ready to use those term or enter into any discussion over them.

      I have no idea what PSM is about. As far as their rants go, they seem quite all right, well thought out. Some are, in fact, quite agreeable by me, in so far as, they would “serve the people” to more extent. I am agreeable when a “proper” “socialist” gomen takes over, the debate is whether they would eventually honestly “serve the people” or be just another corrupt bunch of politicians… I would be happy to give the “socialists” a chance, I don’t think entering any “debate” on “socialism” as set forth by capitalism is wise, I would be careful about the propaganda from both side (George Orwell, Rudyard Kipling, Anthony Burgess all served as colonial propaganda officers in their time!).

      The Brit Labour Party even before Holy Tony’s lot took over have always have some rather bent views, eg. they happily engaged in colonial wars and wars abroad, subvert trade unions, worked for rather than with capitalism, were and are often worse than the Tories when it came/comes to that, or when it comes to having racist views. A lot of old Malaysian politics had to do with Brit Labour colonialist and racist mentality. Of course, “New” Labour had Holy Tony’s pro-capitalist and condescending “internationalist” views – we have to be careful here, a lot of past so-called “left-leaning” Labour leaders were never that, or “progressive” in any way, nor were the trade unionists – Joe Gormley salivated for a “Lord” title, he worked as a snitch for the Brit Special Branch too! Len Murray happily lived with his “Lord” title, talk about sellouts..!

      Privatisation and nationalisation is all well and good, but neither would work in Malaysia where we seem to find the worst morons around running businesses and industry (and gomen!)

      That said, I don’t know what “liberal” means these days… And I don’t know what “neo-liberalism” really is… I think like every term in use today, they are meaningless as well as dangerous to use.

      Old Lao Tzu, he did say, that which can be described (termed, labelled) are often not which is described… I think thinking of anything as labelled or as defined often missus the real meaning… people tend to run away with labels. Sadly, the “intellectual” world is still one of “define this, define that…” and then masturbating with them over whatever is discussed… I treat forums just as kopitiams, you listen to armchair politicians, people who moan, whine, groan, bitch, gossip, spread rumours, talk sense, talk rot… – even though these serve the world better than fcuking politicians on their soapboxes.

      Btw, a sad event in the mornings I drop in a kopitiam for my semi-raw eggs, is seeing folks grab the morning papers sit themselves down to get “educated”… But it turns to grief when you hear folks reciting what they learn from the papers circulated by the political parties, thus, just before the election, I heard the sermons on Dr Death “crying” to some kid about “saving Malaysia”, I heard about why I should think about “my children’s future” when I vote. Well, I basically left it to my young children to think for themselves, and my son is screwing the Danish system to get his free postgrad indoctrination, while my daughter gets her university free in the UK, she made the system pay for her, both got their private schooling on scholarships by working the system, if I had left it to sermons from our monkeys fed on our politicians diet or unvarnished crap, both of them would be thinking like our fcuking retard sheep all with lots of after-school tuition on top of the non-education we have in our fcuked up country!

      In all seriousness, I won’t mind a nice bit of corruption in Malaysia (it’s the most popular religion), how else can we get anything done? – I hand over some dosh to some monkey, things get done immediately, I don’t have to wait five months for nothing to get done by some conveniently lazy and incompetent monkey… I sneak a copper some notes, I don’t have to queue up to pay a fine, waste the day… It’s only the idealist who wants to save the shit-forsaken country, the country is beyond saving, I don’t think any kind of “ism” can save the country. I had to laugh when politicians bribed the public with two day holiday if they get voted in during the last election. Never mind if we get the black or brown monkey in gomen, the sheep just want more holidays, every other day we have some kind of holiday, and that is on top of the permanent holiday when we have a workforce that don’t really want to work, our monkeys won’t survive if we don’t have the foreigners here to change their nappies. And the foreigners don’t survive, we have some monkeys who torture and even kill them!

      On that positive note, and about privatisation (or nationalisation), I won’t leave it to PH to handle those, PH simply doesn’t have anyone capable of doing either – or anything else, it is that bad. The way things have gone and are going with that useless bunch and that old failed dictator, Malaysia is well-nigh done for, things can only get worse in the months to come.

      And the “lesser evil” now is Najib and his bunch. Since we can forgive Dr Death who was worse than Najib, why can’t we forgive Najib, bring him, Rosmah, and their lovely cat back? Bring back the investors too, of course. As far as I can be bothered, Rosmah can keep her pink diamond, both of them!

      Now get me another kopi, kau kau, large one, milk, one sugar… get the Indon girls to serve me, not the locals who can’t even hold a cup properly…

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      • 99. HY  |  April 25, 2019 at 12:13 am

        hv u ever see a “capitalist” govt anywhere? i need a scotch. no ice.

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        • 100. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 25, 2019 at 8:36 am

          “hv u ever see a “capitalist” govt anywhere?”

          I have.

          In more than one country.

          You need buy that scotch, no ice, yourself!

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        • 101. HY  |  April 26, 2019 at 12:16 am

          in that case, i also see more than one socialist govt. but of course u r more likely to disagree since u seem to have very unique definition of many terms, solely due to yr very powderful command of english language wakaka.

          nothing is free. but i wont get drunk minum kopi.

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          • 102. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 26, 2019 at 1:00 pm

            “in that case, i also see more than one socialist govt.”

            Could care less what you “see” or not “see”, why is the “perception” of an attention-seeking tw*t of any importance to anyone, and “in that” or any “case”? Has anyone single you out for your view?

            “u seem to have very unique definition of many terms”

            Like for what, what, and what?

            And, if any, why should my “very unique definition of many terms” be same as those of an imbecile tree-swinging monkey which thinks it should run the zoo, and has already appointed itself to do so?!

            “command of english language”

            You need to know the English language to know what a “command of english language” is.

            You must be suffering badly from inferiority, insecurity, from your desperate need to keep up with me!

            But who cares about your genetic handicap, your inability to “compete” with those who have climbed the rungs of the evolutionary ladder?!

            “Survival of the fittest” is not about thumping your manboob, or rather, kidboob, it is also the ability to let go when your gross sense of inferiority and insecurity necessitates your mayfly need to throw yourself at a giant tree when your infantile perception imagines some kind of “slight” that causes massive loss of face to you. That would be the kind of mentality and behaviour we see in the average kiasu peasant, mine-digger, and coolie types that garland the DAP. I call these types the shame and the end of the great Chinese Civilisation.

            Every time I write something or even write nothing, your genetic handicap gets you worked up in some bizarre manner, you pop your head up to be struck by me. Worse still when I seek a bit of cheap entertainment, give you a little attention, bait you, you loyally and obediently swallow the hook, line, sinker – and the whole fishing rod!

            So who gives the brown stuff what your definition of whatever is or is not?

            Or gives the monkey what you see as my definition of whatever? You can’t be appointing yourself to mark papers here with your sheer lack of poise, content, and appalling monkeyspeak!

            I won’t advise drinking for the purpose of getting “drunk”. That is for the peasants, coolies, mine-diggers, scrubbers, oiks, chavs… One drinks for the pleasure of drinking, and drinks the better stuff.

            “Scotch, no ice” is for those who don’t want their rubbish “whiskies” further diluted, and want to drink the battery acid straight.

            Scotch and ice is only for the whiskies with the highest ABV, it locks down the flavour, but our monkeys do not drink for the pleasure of appreciating fine whiskies, they drink for depression, for showing “manhood”, it is clear you like to get “drunk” because that shows for you you are some “grown up” above the rest of your kampong back alley wonders.

            I doubt you’ve ever came near any good whiskies, let alone the fine ones. If you don’t get those by the (large) bottle, it is even unlikely you can afford a little tumbler at over RM200 a go, and only at places where the bouncers thump you even when you are across the street simply because of your look – and smell!

            You should leave out whiskies, even those fake ones distilled by those backyard outfits, the Johnny Wnaker, Chibai Regal, McLalang, ones for monkeys to out-drink each other, be merry, loud, riot over… and act as poseurs for “adulthood”.

            So, if you have not left sucking mummy’s tits, go for the other right option, warm milk from a baby bottle! Give mum a break, there’s a good little kiasu peasant “big man”!

            Try leave out the “wakaka”, that’s for demented infantile hyenas. Stop behaving an uncultured peasant, and I’ll respect you, continue spitting on you!

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          • 103. HY  |  April 26, 2019 at 9:19 pm

            yrs arent arguments on the pertinent issue i raised, but reflexive utterances of unknown purpose. good english or busy with a thesaurus?

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            • 104. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 27, 2019 at 1:49 am

              ” the pertinent issue i raised”

              Didn’t notice that, must be your mangled Manglish…

              “reflexive utterances of unknown purpose”

              “Term” with “unknown purpose” to me…

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            • 105. HY  |  April 27, 2019 at 8:42 am

              i can tell y u didnt notice, simply bec yr world exists only in the space between yr ears, and has no real bearing on any points beyond.

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              • 106. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 27, 2019 at 12:35 pm

                “u didnt notice, simply bec yr world exists only in the space between yr ears”

                Physically, the eyes cannot “notice” any “world exists only in the space between yr ears”!

                Normal eyes cannot see in that direction or “there”, even those belonging to successful bomohs.

                And even if “the world” actually only exists “in” that “space” if you are trying to say “mind, head”.

                If you mean the “mind’s eye”, that is another cuppa cha, and highly problematic area for discussing, quite beyond you even if your psychic bomoh helps you.

                Some even say “the world only exists in your eyes”.

                You need read up substantially on “reality”, get your head tested, your imagination often run riot, you seem to have some serious problem with imagination and reality, are you a computer game addict?

                “no real bearing on any points beyond”

                Don’t know what you are trying to say, but are you a car mechanic, a DAP rocket scientist?

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                • 107. HY  |  April 27, 2019 at 1:44 pm

                  aiyoo a stereotypical response again, n again, all u could do is merely useless verbiage that says in 10 sentences what could have been said in 1. is that fun for u?

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                  • 108. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 28, 2019 at 5:34 am

                    “aiyoo a stereotypical response again”

                    “stereotypical” of what?

                    “that says in 10 sentences what could have been said in 1”

                    I write remembering there are those who need that “10 sentences” approach, but, do go on, give us a demo, do every 10 sentences in my posts in your “1 sentence”.

                    But not in your typical mentally-unhinged inscrutable gibberish, please.

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                  • 109. HY  |  April 28, 2019 at 7:49 pm

                    shit, this guy could guess my mind, i need 10 strawman.

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                    • 110. Paul Wolfobitch  |  April 29, 2019 at 2:11 pm

                      “shit, this guy could guess my mind”

                      “Shit!” “this guy” actually can’t!

                      And can’t be bothered making any “guess”.

                      “This guy” doesn’t have any psychic bomoh to help correctly “guess” anything.

                      “This guy” treats all you attempt to write as garbage.

                      All “this guy” can do with garbage is treat it like garbage.

                      Spitting on it and getting your grateful response is about all I can ever want, thank you!

  • 111. Conrad  |  April 20, 2019 at 6:19 pm

    “https://twitter.com/SellsRealty/status/990624649410220037”

    I have no idea what you meant here .

    “My point of contention remains that the more diverse our society, the lower chance that socialist programmes will be implemented fairly.”

    By this logic (and I’m not being sarcastic) any kind program based on any kind of ideology/economic theory will not be implemented fairly in diverse societies, which is clearly wrong . Again, your criticism is not specific to socialist programs.

    “And here’s irony for you: PSM bringing up this matter will only have them being called “racist”….”

    Again the Bangsa Malaysia propaganda is what it is. The reality is that the DAP – a supposed socialists based political entity – has attacked PSM’s socialism before. The goal is to negate the socialists propaganda with facts and not make excuses for it or use it (the propaganda) as an excuse.

    “Enough voters unhappy with the system, so much so that the incumbent BN was regime changed”

    You really think that voters were dissatisfied with socialism when it came to overthrowing BN ?

    Then why is Harapan a minority government and doing everything in its powers to re brand affirmative action, entitlement programs of the previous BN regime?

    Why are Harapan supporters shouting for a needs based as opposed to a race based approach for entitlements which is receiving blow back from the Malay right in Harapan ?

    “Which Harapan bigwig this year has promoted class-based implementation? ”

    Very true. Before the election, political operatives from Harapan were babbling on about a needs based approach. Of late Anwar ibrahim and maybe – maybe – a few DAP outliers have been endorsing such initiatives. But Anwar is prime for a good old fashioned backstabbing not to mention, can anyone really trust him and the DAP eats its own.

    “Much, much better chance for capitalist demands than PSM’s to be met…”

    This is very true. Also it would be far easier in Malaysia for theoretic demands to be met too.

    “Going by their track record ….”

    You did not answer my question. Do you think that the issues raised by PSM should be something a government – any regime – needs to address ?

    “They’re really the other side of the coin to PAS.”

    I think it goes deeper than that. Take the LGBTQ position for example. Besides a Christian like Charles Santiago, the positions of PAS and the Evangelical wing of the DAP are the same, right ?

    So the discrimination aspect of this issue is buried by the Harapan mainstream which only serves greater Islamic hegemony. The MCA claimed that the DAP was a vehicle for Mahathir’s Islamic policy. In my opinion this is one of the ways this happens.

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    • 112. Helen Ang  |  April 20, 2019 at 10:39 pm

      re: “https://twitter.com/SellsRealty/status/990624649410220037” // “I have no idea what you meant here.”
      It’s a link to English summary of the Swedish-language reports I’d cited earlier.

      re: “By this logic (and I’m not being sarcastic) any kind program based on any kind of ideology/economic theory will not be implemented fairly in diverse societies, which is clearly wrong.”
      Socialized education, Indians not getting Matric places. Job ads (capitalist), ethnicity is covert selection criterion.

      re: “Again, your criticism is not specific to socialist programs.”
      More specific because socialist programmes require altruism from those paying into the system in contrast to buyer-seller transaction of capitalism.

      re: “You really think that voters were dissatisfied with socialism when it came to overthrowing BN?”
      Chinese voters, most certainly.

      re: “Then why is Harapan a minority government and doing everything in its powers to re brand affirmative action, entitlement programs of the previous BN regime?”
      B’cos DAP are Mahathir’s running dogs. The Pribumi target voter base is more valued.

      re: “Why are Harapan supporters shouting for a needs based as opposed to a race based approach for entitlements which is receiving blow back from the Malay right in Harapan?”
      Suckers howling at the moon for what they had been promised in manifesto not worth the toilet paper it was printed on.

      re: Do you think that the issues raised by PSM should be something a government – any regime – needs to address?
      Gandhi when asked his thoughts on Western Civilization replied it would be a good idea.

      re: “Besides a Christian like Charles Santiago, the positions of PAS and the Evangelical wing of the DAP are the same, right?”
      Charles Santiago is the DAP outlier. He’s quite decent but then again, he’s not really a party man born and bred.

      “Since the DAP evangelical wing is so fond of quoting Abrahamic holy books, there’s no way they can deviate from the religious position on Sodom & Gomorrah.

      re: “In my opinion this is one of the ways this happens.”
      Most definitely. DAP’s Quisling leadership are the enablers, DAP cytros the rabid Red Guards and Dapsters the useful idiots.

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  • 113. Conrad  |  April 21, 2019 at 12:34 am

    “Socialized education, Indians not getting Matric places. Job ads (capitalist), ethnicity is covert selection criterion.”

    Again this is not a specific criticism of socialism.

    “More specific because socialist programmes require altruism from those paying into the system in contrast to buyer-seller transaction of capitalism.”

    Are you claiming that a buyer-seller transaction is free from covert selection criterion ?

    “Chinese voters, most certainly.”

    Chinese voters rejected the socialism of BN ? Really ? Then why then are they yearning for needs based entitlement programs ?

    “Suckers howling at the moon for what they had been promised in manifesto not worth the toilet paper it was printed on.”

    Which contradicts your point that the Chinese voted UMNO/BN out because they rejected “socialism”. The Harapan manifesto is a trove of socialists entitlement programs, with everything from free education to higher minimum wages.

    “Gandhi when asked his thoughts on Western Civilization replied it would be a good idea.”

    Which is fine but I am asking you ?

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    • 114. Helen Ang  |  April 21, 2019 at 1:32 am

      re: “Are you claiming that a buyer-seller transaction is free from covert selection criterion?”
      A buyer-seller transaction is not predicated on altruism. Socialism OTOH requires trust which more often than not is abused (think Animal Farm).

      Now take our model Swedish worker. He pays into the welfare system and his chidren draw the payout, in say, free education. Or let’s say he’s childless. Then he would have the expectation of enjoying healthcare in his twilight years. However he would need to possess a certain amount of social trust in the system functioning fairly in the meantime (while waiting to reach old age).

      Altruism is also required so that this Swedish chap is willing for members of his community to enjoy the welfare benefits while his own payout is deferred to his old age or medical emergencies.

      re: “Chinese voters rejected the socialism of BN? Really?”
      Chinese are not being offered it/NEP. Nothing matching the Indian Matric quota we’ve been speaking about. Or take the entrepreneurial Tekun loans – they’re open to bumiputera and later extended to Indians, but not to Chinese.

      re: ‘Then why then are they yearning for needs based entitlement programs?”
      Evidently the Chinese hated BN over their deprivation of socialist benefits, e.g. subsidized higher education, and they were banking on Harapan to similarly put out the feeding troughs for them in the name of equality.

      re: “Which contradicts your point that the Chinese voted UMNO/BN out because they rejected ‘socialism’.”
      To put it more clearly, the Chinese rejected the STATUS QUO of ‘socialist’ benefits – think Mara colleges as one example, housing discounts as another – from which they were excluded. Since you’ve dragged the discussion in this direction, I suppose we could view the many Malay NEP privileges as ‘socialist‘ programmes.

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      • 115. Helen Ang  |  April 21, 2019 at 7:42 pm

        CORRECTION

        A small fraction of matriculation seats have been offered by Harapan to Chinese SPM students. My bad.

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  • 116. Conrad  |  April 21, 2019 at 7:47 am

    “A buyer-seller transaction is not predicated on altruism. Socialism OTOH requires trust which more often than not is abused (think Animal Farm).”

    That was not my question.

    “Chinese are not being offered it/NEP….”

    Which is why they are asking for a needs based approach instead of a race based approach. This does not mean they rejected socialism only that they want to be part of those programs funded by their tax ringgit.

    “……they were banking on Harapan to similarly put out the feeding troughs for them in the name of equality.”

    Exactly which again contradicts your point that the Chinese rejected BN because of socialism.

    “….the Chinese rejected the STATUS QUO of ‘socialist’ benefits….”

    Incorrect they rejected the discriminatory practices of the government of the day, on programs which they contribute to. This is completely different from your proposition that they Chinese rejected BN because of socialism.

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    • 117. Helen Ang  |  April 21, 2019 at 11:09 am

      Sigh. You’re not construing my replies in good faith. Never mind. I’m sure interested readers who are not burdened with your pro-socialist agenda will be able to comprehend all my responses just fine.

      In the real world, more Chinese just prefer and thrive in a capitalist system.

      Which is not to say that a Chinese parent in M’sia would be unappreciative of a seat in UM medical school (most expensive degree!) for his top-scoring offspring (preferable to sending Little Genius to Crimea out of patents’ own pocket). So, if the ‘socialist’ benefits – greatly subsidized college tuition, in this case – are offered, the Chinese will not look the gift horse in the mouth.

      Nonetheless, the bottomline remains that although capitalism may be socially unfair, it works. Whereas socialism has just been a disaster throughout history –
      and yes, Venezuela in real time. The ex-socialist bloc, i.e. former Soviet satellites, are not the most prosperous countries and the east Europeans are even today migrant workers in western Europe.

      Fact: PSM does not have Chinese support. The Chinese used to support the business party MCA. Today they support the developer’s party DAP. Sustainable socialism is a unicorn galloping in utopia. I’m not saying that socialism has not been successful in the Nordic countries. It has so far.

      However I’m suggesting it will not be practically sustainable in the longer term, going by events like the anti-immigrant riot last week in Copenhagen. The socialist benefits in these Scandinavian countries are so successful that ‘half’ (hyperbole) of the Third World want in. And the bureaucrats have failed to control the influx of economic migrants aka fake refugees.

      And this is where the implementation of the Scandinavian socialist utopia is beginning to fail. Take the spate of car torching by immigrants in Sweden. Money has to be diverted to policing; money which could have gone to healthcare for the native Swede elderly – news report already linked previously. Here is an example of a Swedish socialist benefit that was top notch but now deteriorating.

      And hence the trend of the nationalist, populist parties winning European elections over the established Social Democrat ruling parties. The left wing is still in control of some of these countries but the right wing has caught up and on the verge of a takeover.

      Back to my original thesis. I don’t voice criticisms of PSM and I have nothing against the party’s election individual candidates and their local manifestos.

      What started off this long to-and-fro exchange is my simple proposition that I’m wary of voting a party that is driven by socialist ideology, same as I would not vote PAS, a party that is driving a theocratic imperative. ‘Socialism’ like ‘communism’ is a scary word.

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      • 118. Conrad  |  April 21, 2019 at 12:40 pm

        “….with your pro-socialist agenda…”

        My pro -socialist agenda ? Who is not construing replies in good faith. I said up thread, that I do not hang policy decisions on any particular ideology, instead judging outcomes on a utilitarian scale.

        Care to correct that misrepresentation ?

        “….‘Socialism’ like ‘communism’ is a scary word…”

        Scary words need to be deconstructed because it becomes propaganda to fool the ill informed.

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        • 119. Helen Ang  |  April 21, 2019 at 1:08 pm

          Alright. Reframing my sentence: Your robust defence of socialist policies.

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  • 120. Conrad  |  April 21, 2019 at 8:27 am

    Edit to add –

    “Since you’ve dragged the discussion in this direction….”

    I didn’t drag this discussion anywhere or at least I didn’t do it all by my lonesome.

    If you want me to drop it I will.

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    • 121. Helen Ang  |  April 21, 2019 at 11:11 am

      re: “at least I didn’t do it all by my lonesome”

      Nah, it takes two pedants to push and shove. Peace :)

      Reply

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