This may be a suggestion out of the left field but it’s nonetheless an experiment worth trying. After all, he is Ketua Bahagian Umno for the area.
Have some guts, Umno. Just do it! Put up Jamal in Sungai Besar.
The Malays need a hero.
Nothing to lose from fielding Jamal
I do not reckon that there are any more Chinese votes for BN to lose, especially after the Adenan decision to omit a Chinese YB from his triune of Deputy Chief Ministers.
Sungai Besar is only one seat that will not affect the BN’s hold on Putrajaya or standing in opposition state Selangor even if Jamal Sekinchan fails in his bid.
Furthermore, since there are going to be twin by-elections, Kuala Kangsar can be used as a sort of double blind trial or a control group to see how the Chinese might be inclined to vote at this juncture (as if we don’t already know).
If there are the diehard optimists who insist the BN race formula is still intact, then prove your point in Kuala Kangsar.
There’s really nothing for Umno to lose except one seat – i.e. if Jamal sinks, BN will still have 132 MPs as against Pakatan’s (DAP+PKR+PAN) mere 72 MPs.
There is no imminent threat even if Sungai Besar slips from Umno’s grasp. Mind you, in 2013 the late Noriah Kasnon squeaked through on a thin majority of 399 votes.
Umno can gain much from this experiment of nominating Jamal Mohd Yunos.
It’s worth the calculated risk because then Najib can find out how far right his voter base has shifted since the Chinese tsunami. This is a crucial element the Umno president has to weigh for his GE14 campaign strategy.
For all that the Umno elites/snobbish establishment know, KBUs like Jamal are the ones most popular on the ground.
The only reason why Umno might want to err on the side of caution in choosing to sideline an obvious choice – i.e. the area division chief – is a fear of Chinese voter backlash.
This albatross (nak jaga hati pengundi Cina) needs to be unshackled because Chinese votes no longer factor in the BN political calculus, at least certainly not in the peninsula.
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Note that DAP did not lose any urban seats in Sarawak with more than 70 percent Chinese voters, barring the sole exception of Repok — table here.
I believe a right winger like Jamal would stand a better chance against a PAS conservative under our present circumstances.
I also believe that a personality like Jamal’s would be acceptable to the Malay grassroots even if the Chinese hate him. But then again, is there anything Melayu that they don’t hate or disdain? (Urm, maybe Nasi Lemak, but that’s about it.)
Najib’s 1MDB and 1Malaysia concepts have both upset the Malay polity which are his party constituency. The cost of Najib’s “moderation” posture is the increasing alienation of Malays from Umno, particularly over Islam controversial issues such as the daylight robbery of kalimah “Allah’ by the Christians.
Najib is losing the war of attrition where traditional Umno support is being chipped away, including by Dr Mahathir and his Protuns who are in cahoots with the DAP.
Worldwide the trend – Donald Trump, Marine Le Pen, Brexit, anti-immigrants/refugees – do not favour open borders or multiculturalism. Many communities are turning to and embracing nativism.
The recent Dayak tsunami was a show of parochial spirit too.
Adenan was adamant that Sarawak is for Sarawakians. He boldly locked out the troublemakers from entering his state. Sarawak voters made it clear that they rejected outsiders. Only the Chinese chauvinists voted a non-Sarawak party based on race allegiance.
Adenan, on the other hand, stamped his authority by picking two Dayaks as his DCMs. He did not pander to the Chinese.
Najib should do likewise. Stop pandering.
The public perception is that Najib’s position is only being bolstered by large infusions of cash and pulled by the gravy train. In this regard, Tun Mahathir has been very successful in badmouthing him with the label “Cash is King”.
So. The Umno machinery is necessarily kept well-oiled but Najib fails to appeal to the kind of fierce loyalty predicated on firm ideology that does not depend on money.
Tun commands loyalty and belief. PAS commands loyalty and belief. Adenan commands loyalty too through his Sarawak haka. They fire up their supporters with ideological faith.
Najib’s native Umno constituency – rural folks, Felda settlers, Kg Baru urban working class, the civil service, Sabah Muslims – don’t want and don’t care about the ‘Moderation’ mirage.
This particular ‘Moderation’ in our Malaysian context is a dolled-up philosophy that has few takers among the people who actually vote Umno.
Like Sisyphus, Najib is pushing ideas that are of benefit only to his political opponents. Moreover his “transformasi” has the reverse effect of making him unpopular with Umno voters.
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Recall how badly his Global Movement of Moderates was received when it was earlier helmed by Saifuddin Abdullah. And where is the NUCC now with its Marina-Wardina & Gang poster girls?
Najib must make a right turn to the direction that will enhance his chances of remaining as PM after GE14.
Jamal Sekinchan is a maverick who is capable of pepping up the lacklustre Umno brand. He can win in Sungai Besar. His bosses must be canny enough to take the plunge, that’s all.
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Jamal our hero… should seat in parlimen
If Jamal wins, this will strengthen the argument that the DAP as a matter of fact is the no. 1 stumbling-block to national unity …..
Umno should stop being on the defensive and apologetic all the time.
Whatever Umno does or does not do, the DAP will persist in screaming “racist”, “extremist”, “bigot” and “hater”. And not to mention concocting their endless fitnah.
The sneaky bastards in the DAP will, needless to say, try and put Umno on the backfoot wrt one of their grassroots leaders like Jamal. There’s no need to entertain such detractors.
Sungai Besar is an Umno seat and Umno’s prerogative. The party should not be ashamed of its members who took up the cudgels to participate in Himpunan Merah.
It is only falling prey to the devious evangelista propaganda if the Umno elite were to wrongly concede that the Yellow Shirts are Fighters for Democracy while the Red Shirts-Jamal are slapped with all kinds of names (Dapsters being the masters in the art of name-calling).
This is a litmus test. I’m confident Jamal will pass. He can win.
The funny thing is that malays do not view Jamal as racist. Jamal becomes the talk of the town by simply doing what a Malay leader should do . Jamal was just being practical and effective by organising Himpunan Merah.
Jamal was successful by GETTING EVEN. Other UMNO leaders like Najib, Khairi can talk until cows come home that demonstrations are likely to tear the nation apart.
BUt it took one UMNO Diviison leader who turn the table and in the process putting some sanity into Chinese community. He managed to bring the message. And the message is that Malays can match any Yellow Gathering.
Thanks to him, Chinese got the message. For once, the Chinese though not admitting it , realised that they went overboard and inviting backlash from the majority Malays.
And for that reason I believe STAR labels him as racist. Racist for making his point right on Chinese face. He is deemed racist for being willing to face off DAP or any Yellow Gathering. Thanks to him, I have not heard any plan for Yellow gathering any more.
ONLY MORONS WITHIN UMNO will believe that should UMNO put other than Jamal that the Chinese will flock to vote UMNO in again.
Short without saying it, they want to bury UMNO lock stock and barrel. For it is the only party left standing against DAP.
re: “Jamal was successful by GETTING EVEN. Other UMNO leaders like Najib, Khairi can talk until cows come home…”
re: “BUt it took one UMNO Diviison leader who turn the table and in the process putting some sanity into Chinese community.”
The only language that Dapsters understand is the language of force.
re: “He managed to bring the message. And the message is that Malays can match any Yellow Gathering.”
Correct. Kalau tidak kerana Jamil, Yellow Shirts pasti akan terus bermaharajalela dan pijak kepala.
re: “ONLY MORONS WITHIN UMNO will believe that should UMNO put other than Jamal that the Chinese will flock to vote UMNO in again.”
Morons and pemakan dedak berwajah Melayu Protun, i.e. that Umno reject on the DAP payroll.
HA, you also pemakan dedak kan?
Read carefully lah.
Shamshul said, “ONLY MORONS WITHIN UMNO will believe that should Umno put other than Jamal that the Chinese will flock to vote Umno in again.”
I replied to Shamshul, “Morons and pemakan dedak berwajah Melayu Protun, i.e. that Umno reject on the DAP payroll.”
It’s obvious that the Malay prepaid who called Umno a “racist”, “despicable” and “hateful” party for harbouring the Jamal-types is doing so at the bidding of his ultra kiasu paymaster.
I agree with you one hundred percent. You know why? Because you’re speaking truth and nothing but truth. Not abstract truth. But practical truth ….. real-world, real-life ….. life and death …. truth ……. you don’t sound it ….. but that’s the words of wisdom the Dapsters need to hear ….. right now, the urban Chinese who participated in Bersih 4 have gotten all big-headed ……. for the sake of justice …. JUSTICE …… they need to realise and back-off …… and change …….
It is called “being practical”. The last election made Malays believe that even without Chinese support, UMNO(meaning Malay political clout) still prevails.
So why on earth we need to worry whether Chinese support UMNO. I has come to conclusion that whatever Najib or UMNO does to fulfill whatever requests by Chinese community, he will still be rejected.
Even if Najib resign, Dr Zahid who replaces him will be rejected too. Why in earth UMNO must worry that Chinese will not support if Jamal is fielded. Whether Jamal or anyone representing UMNO, he/she will be rejected by Chinese community.
Jamal managed to shake the Chinese. He did what others in UMNO refuse to do. He is just being blunt. He matched Gelombang Kuning with Gelombang Merah. He rattled DAP. He put some sense into big headed Chinese mind that there is a line that anyone should not cross.
Suddenly, many Chinese including STAR began to talk about futility of demonstration. Jamal just brought the problem right into Chinese faces the way Chinese demonstrators irritate the Malays by demonstrating in heart of Malay trading area.
Now Chinese realise Malays too can easily summon hundred of thousands of demonstrators. JAMAL CHECK MATE THEM.
UMNO OWES JAMAL A BIG THANKS.
And this is going to win over foreign investors how?
Like how the PM has to go to great lengths to convince fund managers in London that Malaysia is still open for business? Regardless of all the stuff that the Oppo keeps dredging up?
Is Jamal the “friendly face” of Malaysia that can be used to position Malaysia front and centre in the eyes of foreign investors?
As if they are going to be swayed by the politics of “check and mate”. They will probably make a beeline for the “red dot down south”.
Leaving Jamal and his ilk (the “hundreds of thousands”) to celebrate their Pyrrhic “victory”.
Only then to turn around and ask the government for good jobs for the “hundreds of thousands”.
Following Jamal apparently doesn’t put food on the table, clothe their families or send their kids to school. But what does he care? It’s just someone else’s problem….
Which part of Jamal’s character that not “friendly” to you? He is hated simply for being able to turn the table against DAP.
And why on earth anyone should believe DAP has ‘friendly face?”
Really? It’s a zero-sum game then? Winner takes all?
If you are so convinced about Jamie’s “friendly attributes”, then you should ask the government to put him front and centre of the country’s investment promotion and tourism campaigns. You know – the “Malaysia is open for business” and “Malaysia Truly Asia” stuff.
But the smart thinkers in the government aren’t going to go down that road, are they?
Oh, btw – “turning tables” works both ways.
Like how the tables should have been turned against the Sarawak Report and the Wall Street Journal by now.
But I digress. It’s all about Jamal, isn’t it?
Which is why you are rushing to his defence.
Strange. Why does he need defending?
“why does he need defending?
So what do you expect me to do? keep quiet while you churn out garbage ?
I am not glorifying Jamal. I just appreciate him for bring blunt, honest. That qualities manage to check mate DAP.
As for WSJ, it does not have monopoly of truth. So, why on earth wee have to decide based on slandering that is hallmark of WSJ.
Jamal is the Sg Besar UMNO Division. He is not on MATTA or MITI . Does that not answer your question?
“blunt” and “honest”? Really? Isn’t what they say about Trump and Duterte? Maybe Erdogan too?
And as I see it, the WSJ is still sitting out there. It hasn’t been sued as yet, apparently. In spite of alleged “slandering”. Strange, isn’t it? I would think that there is enough legal expertise in Malaysia to go for the WSJ’s jugular. Don’t you?
As for Jamal, he plays to a domestic audience. No more, no less. Whereas the folks in MITI or Matrade have to go out there and trawl for foreign investments. Facts, right?
And when they beat the bushes and trawl for investments, what is the Malaysian story they are selling? That Jamal and his ilk are the faces of the “new Malaysia”?
“Umno should stop being on the defensive and apologetic all the time.”
And high time too. UMNO can be a gentleman but not bend over backwards to please the over zealous monster and mother of all rude and crude behaviour that is DAP.
I may have reservations about Jamal but, by and large this is the time to experiment and yes, nothing earth-shaking will happen to the BN. If MCA and Gerakan or even MIC disagree, so be it. As often said, the Chinese votes have been milked dry.
Najib, be bold and brave, this time. Enough of being the nice guy.
susah sgt ke nak cari pemimpin Melayu yg berwibawa sampai kena plih si Jamal ni? Setakat buat himpunan, which of course was spurred by the heat of the moment…doesnt count. Dia punya previous track record is not something to be viewed lightly.
The significance of this constituency is irrelevant; you are a leader no matter how big or small your area is.
so honestly HH, kau rasa dia nie pemimpin contoh ke?
Aku sanggup pilih PAs dari Jamal nie anytime…
re: “susah sgt ke nak cari pemimpin Melayu yg berwibawa sampai kena plih si Jamal ni?”
Pemimpin Umno macam Khairy cukup lembik. Tidak berupaya menangkis Berih 2.0 dan Bersih 3.0.
re: “Setakat buat himpunan, which of course was spurred by the heat of the moment…doesnt count.”
Kenapa pemimpin Melayu lain tak mampu buat himpunan balas? Sebaliknya mereka menjauhkan diri dari Himpunan Merah kerana takut dicop “rasis”.
re: “Dia punya previous track record is not something to be viewed lightly.”
Dia ibarat Donald Trump. Ada kontroversi dan track recordnya boleh dipertikaikan. Namun di sebalik itu, dia pasti akan mendapat liputan media tepu (create a buzz).
re: “The significance of this constituency is irrelevant; you are a leader no matter how big or small your area is.”
Sungai Besar is his area. He is the Umno division chief. By convention, Jamal should be first choice.
re: “so honestly HH, kau rasa dia nie pemimpin contoh ke?”
In the spirit of our times, yes, I believe Umno-BN would profit from having someone like Jamal wear the YB title. The aggressive DAP is nothing but adversarial.
The evangelical party in its ugly, vicious, confrontational mode can hardly be met by an invitation to tea and scones. If Bersih 4.0 had not been greeted by Himpunan Merah, kepala Melayu dah jadi penyet dah diinjak-injak diorang.
re: “Aku sanggup pilih PAS dari Jamal nie anytime…”
I believe Umno should be bold enough to nominate Jamal. Then leave it to the voters whether they want to elect him or not.
Helen, just for clarification I was addressing Melayu Malaysia and intended to type MM but mistakenly typed HH… :D
DAP is the nasty party ….. brutish party ….. Helen has personally experienced it(!) I for one to a certain extent ….. cannot be compared to Helen ………………
“so honestly HH, kau rasa dia nie pemimpin contoh ke?”
Good or bad, weak or strong, or whatever trait it is, is still a contoh. Don’t tell me that it is so difficult for you to comprehend.
And each type has their own followers. You got problem with that??? Go take shelter under your coconut shell
Thats not an answer :). But its ok, I see the lines of thinking already, typical of hardcore party supporters. thank you then for your kind opinion.
You take tau PAS nak letak siapa pun you’ll vote for PAS?
PAS boh says jadi calun pun you will vote for them?
OP, sadly this is happening everywhere. America has the Donald, Philippines Duterte. People seem to be regressing. Maybe a consequence of “too much”” freedom?
Najib “Cash is King” Lajak should contest there.
‘i’m a fighter’ ?
kartun kat atas tu kenapa kurus kering jer xde muscle ?
” The public perception is that Najib’s position is only being bolstered by large infusions of cash and pulled by the gravy train. In this regard, Tun Mahathir has been very successful in badmouthing him with the label “Cash is King”.
So. The Umno machinery is necessarily kept well-oiled but Najib fails to appeal to the kind of fierce loyalty predicated on firm ideology that does not depend on mone”
Money politics in UMNO more rampant dari zaman Paklah sampailah ke Najib.. memang betul.
why can or should we close one eye on this ? who do we let it slide?
The opposition is not letting it slide. The DAP campaign in Sarawak was heavy on “Mana RM2.6b?”
There are the international investigations too, and the Singapore prosecution.
So on the one hand, we have money issues and on the other hand, the race and religion issues.
The Dayak tsunami (throwing out A-L-L the DAP candidates except in the Chinese towns) signals that the Sarawak natives were spooked by Cina DAP.
Among the Chinese ourselves – e.g. the demolition of hundreds of churches and the removal of thousands of rooftop crosses in ‘Jerusalem’-China over the past couple of years alone – indicates how freaked out we are by the evangelistas.
The 1,200,000,000 Chinese in our motherland are not taking kindly to the evangelical push. The Jerusubang diaspora Chinese are a different breed, just like Cape Town-South Africa Malays would not be alike to Gong Badak Malays.
Ah, yes – the “Singapore prosecution”.
Seeing as how the Malaysian media are not reporting on it in any detail.
And are you still banging on about the destruction of crosses and churches in China?
That’s odd, because I don’t see Christianity dying out in China.
re: “And are you still banging on about the destruction of crosses and churches in China?”
China has been bulldozing churches and the matter is still in the news this month, http://www.worldmag.com/2016/05/china_denies_accusations_of_religious_freedom_violations
re: “That’s odd, because I don’t see Christianity dying out in China. Do you?”
Those Christians in China are creepy … which explains the reaction of the Chinese authorities. Do you expect Beijing to take sterner action that will halt the viral spread of Christianity in China?
What do you think our own gomen thinks about the spread of Christianity and evangelical proselytization in Malaysia?
Forgot about the “Singapore prosecution”, eh?
How very convenient, picking and choosing your fights!
You didn’t answer my question about whether Christianity is dying out in China? I am sure that you can Google up the relevant statistics.
As for what the Malaysian gahmen “thinks about the spread of Christianity and evangelical proselytisation in Malaysia”, I think that they are “constrained” in how much they can “crack down”…..
Unpalatable, maybe, but that’s realpolitik for you.
re: “How very convenient, picking and choosing your fights!”
Of course I pick my fights. I’m not the big-headed Annie Anakin whacking at everything in sight.
re: “You didn’t answer my question about whether Christianity is dying out in China? I am sure that you can Google up the relevant statistics.”
If you insist: Christianity is flourishing in China and there are more Christians than there are communist party members. That’s why Beijing and the politburo are worried. Christianity is flourishing in Malaysia as well and Putrajaya and Jakim should start worrying too.
re: “Unpalatable, maybe, but that’s realpolitik for you.”
Equally, Article 11(4) of the Federal Constitution is also realpolitik. Live with it instead of whinging and run crying to the UN.
Picking your fights – how very convenient! Discretion being the better part of valour and all that?
Of course, the “Singapore prosecution” is ongoing. Which the Singapore media will report on. And which the Malaysian mainstream media will dutifully ignore. Maybe they too are picking their fights…..
Oh, btw – the editorial in the Singapore Business Times (http://www.businesstimes.com.sg) today is titled “Did regulatory slips ‘enable’ the 1MDB scandal”?
It is interesting reading, but it’s not a topic that you would pick on to comment. Picking your fight and all that.
As for the Christians in Malaysia, they are well aware of their rights. As too the outside world that is keeping tabs.
That too is “realpolitik”.
A columnist wrote in The Ant Daily:
See more at: http://www.theantdaily.com/Main/10-reasons-for-Team-Adenan-s-resounding-victory#sthash.uzM7emNI.dpuf
re: Christians in Malaysia
They’re picking a fight with the Islamic bureaucracy. Not smart. The authorities can compel us non-Muslims to push yellow trolleys while the Malays use halal green trolleys.
re: the outside world keeping tabs
They won’t interfere in our internal affairs.
Rural folks’ only concern is how much money can they get for their votes and bantuan wang saku they get occasionally like the Berian Rasuah 1 Malaysia.
But mostly are kind hearted and easily manupulated by the politicians. Opposition parties are stupid for not able to tap on these people.
I had been a village girl, a rural folk, now making my yearly year-end exodus oversea. Back then, I did not see that situation since they were doing it for the love of their country. Unlike those supposedly urbanites, who only see things in terms of cash and nothing else. I guess patriotism does not mean anything to these drafters.
……Rural folks’ only concern is how much money can they get for their votes and bantuan wang saku…..
Hang mai ziarah kampung kami sat..
Budak sekolah 8tahun pun tau cari wang saku sekolah sendiri, weekends RM120 + makan anytime le! Cuti sekolah lagi pandai cari rezeki. Jangan perlekeh dan pandang hina sangat dengan oghang2 kampung tau. You apa cerita?
Dah besaq depa merantau kojo oberseas tau. Itu minimum pay RM1K, satu hari pun depa boleh dapat kat sana!
The US just renewed sanctions on Myanmar.
And Western companies are apprehensive about pursuing business opportunities in Iran because the US hasn’t made it clear if it has withdrawn all the sanctions on that country.
Just two examples of “interfering in a country’s internal affairs”, wouldn’t you say?
Now, if Trump does become POTUS, and if the evangelical Christian movements in the US have his ear, who knows what policies will come forth.
Especially where Islam and Muslims are concerned in the eyes of the US Congress and administration.
As for the “rural folk” in the “heartlands” of the peninsula and East Malaysia, they are more engrossed in day-to-day survival. Not exactly edifying, given the number of years that have elapsed since 1957 and 1963, don’t you think?
re: “if Trump does become POTUS”
Then the world will be an even more interesting place.
And that’s the sum total of your response, Helen?
Not been “checkmated”, have you?
They have better things to do than babysitting a bunch of whining scoundrels. In fact, they have their own unfinished internal affairs to attend to, including their plummeting economic woes. Even their citizens are busy opening up overseas ventures, in anticipation of their own economic downturn. It is survival time, not much time for whining and babysitting. Go, find your own niche, yourselves.
……Money politics in UMNO more rampant dari zaman Paklah sampailah ke Najib.. memang betul…..
Zaman sebelum2 tu payah nampak pasai banyak pakai toyol kut tolong sembunyi duit?
Ok, mcm nie lah. Cik Rina.
ill rephrase it:
” Money politics in UMNO more rampant dari zaman Mahathir sampailah ke Najib.. ”
So i ask you: hang setuju ka? Money is used to lure voters.
And please dont shoot back “oh opposition pun buat…” sebab kalau depa buat taik so BN pun sama taik?
My late parents’ empty house last GE was turned into a 24/7 bilik gerakan for BN use. Semua yang datang on voluntary basis.
Alamak…sacrifice satu rumah sampai gitu pun depa tak bagi satu sen to lure me or those who manned the station siang dan malam to vote for BN! La aaaa tak aci la macam nih! However for this community during that time, we took the opportunity to eratkn Silatulrahim.
I don’t know what you mean by “Money is used to lure voters”. You main agak2 atau betoi ke yg you dok cakap sini? Ada dokumen2 tolong tunjuk kat I boleh tak?
If Jamal represent UMNO-Najib, I think, Chinese vote for BN. Jamal is not racist. How could he be a Malay racist, when he adopted a Chinese boy as your own?
But, please Jamal, don’t convert that child. Sent him to SRJKC and fed him as he is use to.
Jamal is not a racist …………… but a realist ……….. what to do? Unlike in other neighbouring countries, Chinese are not expected to assimilate but there’ll be Chinese, i.e. the Dapsters who behave in an ultra-kiasu way ……………. bahaya ……… that’s why UMNO probably knows more about the Ugly Chinese than the Chinese themselves!
There are times i see Helen as a trojan horse – giving nonsensical ideas to umno and goons. And Malaysian Chinese should not ever vote for umno, bn and its likes….A recent example how Adenan screwed the chinese again in giving a DCM seat…this is the case forever with umno, in this case PBB – always screwing people up.
Fielding Jamal is not a nonsensical idea. I stand by it.
He alone had the cajones to decisively lead Himpunan Merah when the rest of the Umno leadership shied away. It was only after (Malay) People Power turned out the numbers that the top leadership backpedalled.
When KJ and Ibrahim Ali tried to counter Bersih 3.0, both flopped miserably (if my memory serves me right, it was the third edition but you can double check). Jamal, on the other hand, is a folk hero of the Reds.
Furthermore, it’s pro forma that the Ketua Bahagian will contest although this is not a hard and fast rule. Therefore, putting up Jamal – as things go, is nothing out of the ordinary. It is only the evangelista’s propaganda that run overtime to blacken his name.
He’s the perfect touchstone to measure how far right is Malay support for Umno presently and how far down (the barest minimum) BN can dip on requiring the Chinese vote.
As it is, the last Merdeka Center survey has already put Chinese support for BN at around only five percent. So what’s there to lose with this little experiment?
On the other hand, there’s everything to gain and I guarantee that it will open Najib’s eyes.
I’m confident Jamal can win.
haha….wow, u see jamal as a hero, but most smart people see him as an opportunist. End of the day, after his pocket is filled, he will throw some crumbs for the felda gullibles and rempits. let’s hope ali tinju shares your view too on jamal being a malay hero…..i bet you adore jamal as a top notch business man too, a man who can sit and talk with top echelons
I see Jamal as being more sincere than many of UMNO leaders. He is willing to take bull by its horn.
‘…after his pocket is filled….”
He is not that “papa kedana”. And I know you look down on FELDA people. You assume they are backward, gullible(because they do not subscribe to DAP worshipping) .
Your perception is not surprising. It is synonymous with DAP
Shamsul… i am not obliged to justify to you, but nevertheless, I never look down on another fellow being, irrespective of race and religion. i do get disgusted seeing certain individuals. And you are not getting me right – it is sad to see umno exploiting the felda settlers as how they have been on sabahan/sarawakians, by keeping them poor and clingy.
No. UMNO is not exploiting FELDA people.
If FELDA people are poor, they have themselves have to blame. Look around them. They live in FELDA areas. They have plenty of land around them. Can they not “tanam sayur”?
If FELDA people support UMNO, that is logical. It is UMNO taht created these massive FELDA areas that many countries want to emulate.
and they rape their own daughters….
One swallow does not make a summer.
Just because gambling and ah long are associated with Chinese, does not make all chinese adopting gambling and taking ah long cu throat loans
Thank you Mr. Shamsul, very gentlemanly of you. As for these kinds who think they represent the Chinese voice there is a famous saying
身正不怕影子斜 shēn zhèng bú pà yǐng zi xié – “A straight foot is not afraid of a crooked shoe.”
Be straight oneself, instead of looking out for the faults of others. The battle inside is hard enough.
Though I am critical of DAP, I (and I am pretty sure UMNO, Malays) are not against Chinese.
At height of “ini kali lah”, Malay majority still voted in MCA inKUlim, Alor Gajah, Titi Serong. But we too are not stupid. We understand large segment of Chinese community wants UMNO to be buried as it is the only force standing against DAP.
UMNO must do some soul searching. There is no denying that some UMNO Ministers are out of touch from reality on the ground. UMNO is plain lucky as the situation on the other political divide is worse. DAP leaders are arrogant and this scare the malays off. Plus there are some good local UMNO leaders such as Mohammad Hassan of NS.
They carry the flag for UMNO.
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Felda settlers, stupid??? How, then have they produced generations who have spanned across the globe, studying and working?
It is not the chinese’ obligation to support BN. They can choose whoever they like. Likewise for the melayus or anybody.
If the melayus like to choose 2.6b-astard as their leader, nobody stopping them. Likewise, the others have choice not to choose 2.6b-astard’s party to run the country. Why blame people for not voting you? Why not blame yourself for not able to convince the people to vote you?
Nobody’s blaming anybody…but accept the fact, when you do not choose the person, do not force the person to satisfy your whims and fancies. He has to take care of his voters and followers first..If there are any crumbs left, there might some for you. As it is now, you bulldoze anything if it is not in your favour, and being very loud and rude about it. cam tak malu gitew.
Of course, his followers and voters should not just allow others to bully them. And, as many of yr kind has been pointing out, there is not much to be circulated around anymore..so, you should be wiser as to choose your circle, if you are concerned about yr well-being. Otherwise, just accept the brutal truth..no need la shootaround like mad, crazy pigs.
….A recent example how Adenan screwed the chinese again in giving a DCM seat…
Tu pasai oghang Singapore used the word “delusion”. Betis hangpa sangkakan peha! Muahahaha
umno kalau tak kencing bukan umno namanya…..pasai tu kena tolak umno…..kuat kencing
DAP yang ditolak bulat-bulat oleh kaum pribumi di Sarawak. Faham-fahamlah.
siniri kincing diri siniri, delusional… betis disangka peha, very true, indeed.
Actually Adnan did not screw up the Chinese. He is just being practical.
He just follows the norm on this planet. That any politician will give priority to the very people who support them. Those who do not support them will be “fed” with whatever leftover.
Jamal is a useless malay loser and pemakan dedak/failed businessman and Najib’s barua
And you are a DAP what?
Surprise surprise. Helen, the Malay ass kisser at it again. Get a life, bitch.
A typical morning in that beloved motherland. That’s what most of us think of your kind. https://youtu.be/sfn65V6qKbs
Every time a Malay hates on a Chinese, they are actually hating on Allah’s creation and are mocking Allah for being a terrible creator. I was under the impression that Islam doesn’t allow its brainwashed supporters to mock their creator?
Ass licker.Continue supporting the evil religion and the ultra racists.
Stop f-ing all over the place if you’re arguing religion.
“Every time a Malay hates on a Chinese they are actually hating on Allah’s creation and are mocking Allah for being a terrible creator.”
Race has nothing to do with faith. Understand?
I thot our consti spell clearly the malay race have everything to do with faith?
IF Malays hate Chinese, the latter would not be accepted as citizens of Tanah melayu.
Long before Ms Rosa Park ever thought of standing up for her right in buses in Deep south america, a once immigrant was appointed as Governor of Melaka.
Contrary to what DAP has been saying about UMNO(meaning malays), the Malays (meaning UMNO ruled governments) is a symbol of beauty, generosity, inspiration that is unheard in other parts of the world.
No doubt Malays have their own weaknesses and some of them are quite glaring or petty, but their treatment of non malays can never be matched by others.
I would venture to say that the Brits had a lot to do with it. As in the days of colonisation and the Straits Settlements. And the Federated Malay States.
Are you still rehashing the history of Malaya (note, not Malaysia) pre-Merdeka? Rewriting the narrative to support an agenda?
It’s good that you have acknowledged that Malays “have their own weaknesses”. So, too, have Chinese, Eurasians, Indians and non-Malay bumiputras.
But that doesn’t cut it in this day and age, does it?
Unless you can wall yourself off against “competition” in all it’s aspects.
Which I don’t think is the government’s agenda.
Wish the brits did not come with their coolies…who overstayed their welcome. Even the brits knew when to go home.
“…are you still rehashing….
Once in awhile it is good to remember where we all start. The reflection will avoid us from making mistakes.
I am just stating facts . Long before people of other races are accepted EQUALLY in America, a governor who is a Chinese was appointed as head of state of Melaka. THAT IS THE FACT.
Nobody is saying or suggesting Malays or Malaysia to ignore competition.
“a governor who is a Chinese was appointed as head of state of Melaka”? Never heard that. Not anywhere in established history.
What is your source, pray tell. Where is the link? Is it authoritative or reliable? Or DAP kind of re-writing history they try to do in Wikipedia where every Ahmad, Ahbeng and Mutu can write, often the editors’ questions/ comments on the required source or authority left unanswered.
But good that you whack the bloke from the tiny Red Dot down south that has no space, far less the patience, to allow him to vent out his frustrations out there.
pity u never hear of leong yew koh, that is fine. however to accuse dap on this demonstrate yr bias. n the interesting part is this fella is no diff with the one u often accuse, satu pengkhianat negara dan satu pengkhianat cina wakaka.
…Unless you can wall yourself off against “competition” in all it’s aspects…
Rasanya kamu ni yang afraid of competition betoi tak? All the glamorous years of having monopoli slowly fading away.
Graduating from Australian Uni with double degree for RM15K while working in Jinjang pun quality takleh lawan standard RM45K Diploma holder from private Malaysian colleges…hehehehe what a joke!
Are you speaking out of personal experience?
Or is the joke on you?
Fact – what is the percentage of graduates from local public universities who are still unemployed a year after graduation? Or who are making do with part time, contract or freelance work?
Fact – what percentage of these graduates are having to be “retrained” to get an acceptable fluency in English?
Fact – is the government mandating hiring quotas for local public universities’ graduates on MNCs and the private sector?
Fact – why did the government implement an “open door” policy on foreign talent to get the MSC and Iskandar Malaysia off the ground?
So, tell me again about “competition”. And hiring profiles.
re: “Fact – is the government mandating hiring quotas for local public universities’ graduates on MNCs and the private sector?”
If it is a fact, why do you put a question mark?
These verses may shed some light on the matter:
In the Name of Allah Most Compassionate & Merciful
Quran, ch.5: v.48 :
“And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], this Book in truth, confirming those scriptures which preceded it, and as a criterion over them. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations which stray away from the truth that has come to you. To each of you We prescribed a law and a path. Had Allah willed, He would have made you all into one nation [united in religion], but [He intends] to test you in what He has given you; so compete with one another in all things good. To Allah will be your return all of you, and He will inform you concerning things over which you used to differ.”
Quran, ch. 2:
 Allah! There is no god but He, the Living, the Self-subsisting, the Eternal. No slumber seizes Him nor sleep. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there that can intercede in His presence except as He permits them? He knows what is before them or after them. Nor shall they compass any of His knowledge except as He wills it. His Throne extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the All-Supreme Lord of all.
 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah has thus grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that will never break. And Allah hears and knows all things.
* On the authority of Abu Hurairah (r.a.), who related that the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.) said:
“Let him who believes in Allah and the Last Day speak good, or keep silent; and let him who believes in Allah and the Last Day be generous to his neighbour; and let him who believes in Allah and the Last Day be generous to his guest.”
* On the authority of Abu Hamzah Anas bin Malik (may Allah be pleased with him) – the servant of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) – that the Prophet said :
“None of you will have faith until you love for your brother what you love for yourself.”
(hadiths narrated by Bukhari & Muslim)
PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH
“None of you will have faith until you love for your brother what you love for yourself.”
i see that you hated najib and rosmah so much.
kalau x silap sebelum ni you ada beberapa kali post hadith ni dan juga abt being patient and forgiving. kalau x silap la kan…kalau silap i’m sorry dan tarik balik apa i kata…
“Let him who believes in Allah and the Last Day speak good, or keep silent; and let him who believes in Allah and the Last Day be generous to his neighbour; and let him who believes in Allah and the Last Day be generous to his guest.”
yet before this you wrote :
“apa perlu risau dengan negara Filipina, sedangkan kita sendiri ada Rosmelda kan kak?”
buat main nama orang (nama kita ibu bapa kita yg kasi tau) tu speak good ke ?
ari tu i baru buat lawak kecik kat miss boo, u bkn main reprimand i. nama miss boo tu kalau i nak buat main2…lebih lagi i boleh buat…i pun bukan la betul sgt….anyway you pun mesti x suka org buat main nama you kan ? nama tu part of our maruah…so x baik jatuhkan maruah org
i never wrote anything good or bad abt ds rosmah. what she did/does that’s between her and Allah. Allah will not ask us abt her wrongdoings. Allah will ask us abt ours. i saw ppl put all bad words on her on the internet sampai ketahap ‘perempuan puaka’. boleh ke mcm tu ? tak sedar ke muslim2 tu semua, when you wronged her like that she’s reaping (Allah knows best) your ‘pahala’ on the judgement day. if your pahalas are done, her dosa2 will be put on you ? xkan sbg muslim xtau ni smua, especially yg dok post byk quranic verses ngan hadith2.
i sblm ni walaupun x suka ngan dia, tp seingat i x penah bukak mulut gosip pasal dia. tp bila terlalu byk cacian dilemparkan and they went overboard, i think she doesn’t deserve it and i have my sympathy for her. she is just acting like a mak datin. ramai mak datin mcm tu la.
penah x come across this hadith,
A Hadith from Sahih al Bukhari 9/7098:
‘A man will be brought and put in the hell fire and he will circumambulate (go round and round) in the hell fire like a donkey of a (flour grinding mill), and all the people of the hell fire will gather around him and will say to him, ‘O so-and-so! Didn’t you use to order others for Al-Ma’roof (Islamic monotheism and all that is good) and forbid them from Al-Munkar (polytheism, disbelief, and all that is evil)?’
The man will say, ‘I used to order others to do Al-Ma’roof (Islamic monotheism and all that is good) but myself never used to do it, and I used to forbid others from Al-Munkar (polyhtheism, disbelief, and all that is evil) while I myself used to do Al-Munkar'”
RE: “yet before this you wrote : “apa perlu risau dengan negara Filipina, sedangkan kita sendiri ada Rosmelda kan kak?” ”
Encik, I am sorry to say you have got the wrong person. I am not that commenter.
haha, cacamarba watave…apa lu cakap main hantam kutuk orang anyone can do that.
macam loser je komen, tak de angin tak de ribut, tembak jer orang. very lame accusation, like main sondol2, gitew, no supporting evidence.
Penang and Melaka was then British Crown Colonies while the 9 Malay states were Protectorates.
When Tanah Melayu that comprises 9 malay states together with Penang and Melaka achieved independence in 1957, a paramount ruler was appointed styled as yang DiPertuan Agung.
Penang and melaka have Yang Dipertua Negeri. the first Yang Dipertua Negeri of Melaka was Tun Leong Yew Koh. He was the first Governor of melaka.
He was once an immigrant. He was appointed in era where apartheid was a norm while insulting blacks simply because of their darker skin was a tradition in deep south America.
My point is that you will not find such generosity back then in USA or white EUrope . I stated the fact to demolish argument that malays are racist as often perpetuated by DAP.
MARA, UITM, Bumiputera shares, housing and discounts just to name a few. Isn’t that blatant racism
Hello kawan , thats not racism. Thats malay nationalism.. The christian tribes from europe tricked the natives of their minerals and bring chinese coolies to work in tin mines.
Just like babnglas of today there happy becuz china was very poor then with famine.
So malays have fought the christian british. Raja Maharajalela killed the faggot Birch in Perak . And the 16 year old malay boy Rosli Dhobi killed the wannabe british gov in Sarawak.
That scare the Christian Queen from sending any more gov.
So now the malays are rebuilding ghe country..
China is yr country…. nobody forced yiu to come here.
Nope, anyone who is born in this country is theirs. You don’t like it? you can fuck off
Bahasa jiwa bangsa. Your use of language is telling.
Precisely this kind of attitude will turn off people from supporting
“China is yr country…. nobody forced yiu to come here”
Nobody chose to be anywhere, genius. Malays didn’t chose to be Malay, Muslim or to be born in this country. It’s an accident of birth. Most current generation Malaysian Chinese and Indians would probably prefer to be born in a developed and just society, but they have been born here through no fault of their own. Any religion that teaches equality should tell you what UMNO and their lackeys are doing to the minorities is blatant racism. Clearly, Islam doesn’t teach this concept of equality.
“Most current Chinese and Indians… prefer to be born in a developed and just society…bla bla…”
Muuahaha… Have you not read how the Syrians Arabs cross the dangerous sea to go to europe a more developed and just society and how europe is closing their just society borders? And now the Arabs are running to Malaysia…
This is our land and we have the power to determine the fate of our people and the country. So you are a second class citizens due to the sins of your father who escaped the persecution and famine in China or India so is that my problem?
We dont owe it to the sons of the chinese or arabs or indians to be citizens of this beloved malay land.
Unlike the red indians or aztecs we are still standing just like vietnamese who were killed by the millions by christians from europe or phillipines or indonesians who were killed by dutch christian queen.
So take your whining to more developed and just societies. But why not just go back to the land of your fathers where you can be bumiputeras?
“This is our land and we have the power to determine the fate of our people and the country. So you are a second class citizens ”
“But why not just go back to the land of your fathers where you can be bumiputeras?”
I see your religion has clearly made you a better person…not
Do you ever wonder why the world hates Muslims? Not hard to see why.
I have responded to the question by Institutionalized racism | May 22, 2016 at 4:29 pm in my slightly earlier comment which went to the end of this post comments. Now the comment by FuckHelenandHerDisciples –
I think Helen has classified this kind of comments as that of the DAP Red Beans, biadap and kurang ajar even by the very name he/she chose to write. He/she is a pitiful result of poor or no upbringing by the parents, probably attended Chinese schools where they are not exposed to values of societies other than their own, find Helen’s rather universal or very Malaysian values unacceptable and therefore “fcukable”. Such despicable characters these DAP blokes and/or their supporters. .
What the bloke says in his 9.45 am comment comes out from non-acceptance of the sensitive Articles of the Constitution that I have explained in my comment just before this one.
I’m a supporter but not a card carrying UMNO member and I say that the damn rude bloke saying – without any explanation or justification – “Any religion that teaches equality should tell you what UMNO and their lackeys are doing to the minorities is blatant racism” is utter rubbish.
I’m prepared to tear him down to pieces – with facts and arguments, that is – if he comes out with explanations and if I’m prowling around the next time he shows up here.
“…Isn’t that blatant racism…”
Mara is funded by taxpayers money, so the non-malays have to support their children and also YOUR CHILDREN.
Tak malu ah? Apa lagi melayu mau?
Apek. janganlah cakap macam Cina saja bayar cukai.
India, Dayak, Iban pun ada bayak cukai. Why no placements for non-malays. Buka la Mara kasi fair.
Why bumi discounts on housing, kasi discount untuk semua la. Bagi fair
Cina suka avoid paying tax, tapi minta macam2. Kat mana2 pon muka dia ramai, kalau free, such is clinic. Why, I wonder, in spite of being the minority, they out number at these ‘free’ places? Now, they are being very loud about gst, which has been introduced due to the tax invaders.
and gst kena orang kampung the hardest. Bodoh
I thought Mara is funded from tax monies paid by Bumi only?
No such thing, tax monies collected (in the billions) are always pooled together. Its daylight robbery of the non-malays via taxation without representation
The pribumi representation in MARA is also very very low. Just window dressing
re: “The pribumi representation in MARA is also very very low. Just window dressing”
You’re making an assertion. Show us the figures to back up your claims.
The article you linked says, “He cited MRSM Betong which has a Dayak student population of about 50 per cent as an example.”
That’s a lot of Dayaks in the school, no?
Living in your Malay dream world again,where young Malay boys give you an oil massage at night? Wake up and accept reality- the Malaysian government oppresses the minorities. If only the Islamic countries can take a leaf out of the Christian nations book and grasp the concept of social justice, maybe the rest of us won’t think so lowly of that religion and its followers…
Oi, change your moniker lah.
I’m going to spike your next comment coming in under “Fuck Helen and Her Disciples” and I’m not going to entertain innuendos like “where young Malay boys give you an oil massage at night”, kapish?
You people really have no idea how ugly you are, do you?
“You people really have no idea how ugly you are, do you?
After years of poking fun at Hannah Yeoh and her weight issues, it’s rich of you to be commenting on the crassness of others. Hypocrite much?
I’ve never said “fuck Hannah”, I’ve never said “Hannah bitch!” and I’ve never said “where young Malay boys give Hannah an oil massage at night”.
I pointed out Hannah has a food obsession and I listed out her dozens of tweets where she tweeted about her craving for this food and that food at some odd hour or other.
I’m able to back up what I say unlike your lot at Annie Anakin’s who simply concoct sick, false stories from thin air. You’re all ugliness personified.
“’ve never said “fuck Hannah”, I’ve never said “Hannah bitch!” and I’ve never said “where young Malay boys give Hannah an oil massage at night”
Yes, but continuously highlighting her weight issues, often with pictures, and her inability to secure an Aussie PR is more sinister and hurting imo. If only you can acknowledge your own hypocrisies which obvious to all to see!
re: “Yes, but continuously highlighting her weight issues, often with pictures”
The pix are genuine and she’s a public figure who loves being in the limelight and constantly inviting press coverage. Plus she whinges about her weight-watching and diet in her tweets.
re: “and her inability to secure an Aussie PR”
Fact. Whereas the stuff that the RBAs spin about me is pure fiction.
re: “is more sinister and hurting imo”
What is sinister and definitely sick is the kind of totally fabricated tales that the Dapster-evangelistas deliberately conjure up.
re: “If only you can acknowledge your own hypocrisies which obvious to all to see!”
I don’t sing kumbayah and I don’t preach love-love-love.
The biggest hypocrites are those who pretend they love their enemies and turn the other cheek (itu sekadar cakap) when what they do (bikin) is hit below the belt and backstab with poison-tipped stilettos.
“MARA, UITM, Bumiputera shares, housing and discounts just to name a few. Isn’t that blatant racism”
It is to anyone with a brain and a sense of justice. Malays who deny this are ether plain stupid or just living in denial so that they can be comfortable living in an environment that sees them progress only by oppressing others. For this reason, I have zero respect for that race. They are pathetic imo.
Any visitor with a brain and a sense of decorum would not use a moniker like ‘Fuck Helen and Her Disciples’ when you’re a guest in Helen’s blog.
re: “MARA, UITM, Bumiputera shares, housing and discounts just to name a few. Isn’t that blatant racism”
Okay, how about this…
If Mara and UiTM offer to open their doors to everybody (meaning no differentiation, one education stream only), would you agree for Sekolah Cina to be abolished on the reciprocal principle of no differentiation (i.e. no more SRJK-C, SRJK-T) and a single education stream?
So all the students will study together under one roof in Mara colleges and uni, and all the pupils study under one roof in 1Sekolah Kebangsaan Untuk Semua. Macam mana, boleh?
(1) re: “Malays who deny this are ether plain stupid…”
When you and your kind relentlessly mock Malays as “stupid”, do you actually believe that it is only natural for the Malay polity to develop a nice, warm and fuzzy feeling for you in return?
Consider how after only one short election campaign in Sarawak, the Dayaks threw your lot out on your ear. In fact, if the natives could do it, they would block your ilk from even stepping foot on Sarawak soil.
Do you think it is only Malays and Dayaks who are less than enthusiastic over Cina DAP or that ordinary people with some amount of decency (regardless of race) would similarly recoil from your rude, insulting, cursing and swearing behaviour?
re: “or just living in denial so that they can be comfortable living in an environment that …”
Who is living in denial of his environment? This is Nusantara, not Tanah Besar Cina.
There is Article 152 of the Federal Constitution about our national language. The reality is that three-quarters of our population speak BM. Guess which one quarter does not.
So who is it whom is sequestered in the comfort zone of his own ethnic silo?
re: “sees them progress only by oppressing others”
Do you have a mirror in the house?
re: “For this reason, I have zero respect for that race.”
Ikut suka hati you lah.
re: “They are pathetic imo.”
They are more physically fit and they play football. They’re in the army and police. They’re the ones holding the gun.
Spin it however you want but we all know that you can’t defend what is blatantly obvious to everyone. Answer me this. Is a 7% bumi discount for property purchases not the definition of blatant racism? Don’t quote me the constitution or give me your usual spin. Let’s just analyse this scenario within the generally accepted definition of what racism is. Can do that ah?
We know you have a hidden agenda and I suspect you are on UMNO’s payroll. But unless you can somehow prove to me that giving one race a significant discount on property purchases over the others is not racism, then you have no right to chastise the other races for voting for anyone but UMNO.
re: “Spin it however you want”
If you think that I’m spinning, then go ahead and unspin me. Let’s see how convincing you are.
re: “but we all know that you can’t defend what is blatantly obvious to everyone”
Oh? Are you aware that the progenitor of Mara was established in 1951 by the British for the Malays? The programme was expanded in 1966 to become Mara.
As for the special position (i.e. advantages from quotas, preference/reservation, etc), it was already in Federation of Malaya Agreement 1948.
So, before the Chinese even became citizens in 1957-58, the Malays were already having Mara-like benefits and education bursaries under British rule as well as an earlier form of Article 153 by virtue of being the subjects of the Raja-Raja Melayu and later citizens of Malaya pre-Merdeka.
Are you proposing to take away what the Malays have been enjoying since the early days of British colonization?
Or otherwise, if the Chinese and Indians were not absorbed into the citizenry, then a homogeneous Malay population would have no need for a Malay special position when everyone is Malay anyway.
Perhaps we should mull a return to status quo ante and revert Tanah Melayu to its pristine state of ethnic homogeneity.
re: “Answer me this. Is a 7% bumi discount for property purchases not the definition of blatant racism?”
What if the housing policy provides for an affirmative action programme to assist ethnic minorities – e.g. like for the blacks in USA – and any Malaysian who’s not the majority race can apply for a discount? Would you still object? ,)
re: “Don’t quote me the constitution or give me your usual spin.”
If you refuse to support the constitution, then in what way are you a Malaysian First bangsa Anak Malaysia?
re: “Let’s just analyse this scenario within the generally accepted definition of what racism is. Can do that ah?”
Can. I can even spell “racism” — the word starts with the letter ‘C’, followed by ‘I’ … C-I-N-A D-A-P.
re: “We know you have a hidden agenda”
But alas, no swimming pool and no lucky feng shui.
re: “and I suspect you are on UMNO’s payroll”
Hmmm, that’s quite rare. What’s becoming common, however, is the Melayu-skru-Melayu hired pen.
In fact you don’t even have to look far to find that “RM20k”(?) Malay fella on the DAP payroll.
Now that’s one Melayu reject whose DAP handler is monitoring my blog 24/7. I’m sure you can smell his lurking presence always sniffing around here. And you can furthermore easily detect which moniker he has been using in that Melayu pemakan dedak’s blog.
re: “But unless you can somehow prove to me that giving one race a significant discount on property purchases over the others…”
Don’t you ever get discounts when you buy from Chinese shops?
re: “then you have no right to chastise the other races for voting for anyone but UMNO”
I cannot control who you choose to vote. I’m simply informing you of the consequences of the Chinese tsunami.
The repercussion of Chinese support going all out to DAP is the lingering but sure death of MCA, and the realisation by Najib that J-Star is a backstabber.
Win or lose GE14, Umno will still remain the biggest political party. If BN loses, it’s only because the satellites (MCA, MIC, Gerakan, etc) fail to deliver.
Under the MCA umbrella, Chinese are friends with Malays (Umno).
Under the DAP umbrella, Chinese are deadly enemies with Malays (Umno) and Muslims (PAS), and now beginning to squabble with PKR.
Shrug. The Chinese have made their irrevocable choice. Live with it.
i think 7% is racism no matter how u put it.
I think Ah Jib Gor on his good day and with a strong enough mandate would have phased out this sort of thing … like how he abolished ISA.
The Chinese did not give him credit or say ‘Thank You’ when he did away with ISA and the Emergency Ordinance at the cost of alienating the conservative Malay voter base and upsetting his own party.
Then also the Malays would have lynched him if he had followed up the abolition of ISA with a squashing of the Sedition Act.
It has been ‘all pain, no gain’ for him, and so he doesn’t bother now to try and placate the liberals or the anti-NEP complainers anymore.
HY, Repeating the same 1-liner, no more idea? Do not waste the space in Helen’s. Respect the ‘tuan tanah’, as always, very lacking among your kind.
Let us be more specific on 7%. If giving discount to property price let say RM300k (affordable housing) and below, i.e RM21k I don’t see any problem. The target is to benefit the low income earners.
Problem is the same 7% discount is also given to property priced at RM3 mil, i.e. RM210k worth of discount. If a rich Malay can afford to buy this property, why still give him discount? Does he deserve such discount?
FHHDwatave, It is not like anybody is spinning anything. Not all people prefer to spin like your kind always do.You and your perception.
That is not racism. It is giving it to the rightful owner or person. You do not honour the constitution, you do not deserve to talk about equality. If you want to talk about Islam, do not just take bits and pieces that suit your interest, whilst ignoring other aspects as a whole.”masuk lah ke dalam agama mu secara keseluruhan, bukan berpilih-pilih.”
Btw, you do not just ‘talk’ about Islam, you have to follow it, before you have the right to say anything about it. Otherwise, you will only be TALKING about something that you only hear about without really experiencing it. Only by experiencing you’d appreciate the in-depth knowledge.
Even in Islam, equality is not what you always think. That is why we have the zakat. The haves help the have nots. Does it register in you?
All you people care is, you, you, you. Dah dapat banyak pon masih nak lagi. What more do You want? Imagine if someone’s forefathers left him with a piece of land in China, . Then, the brits came to take it away from the person. Would he willingly abandon his piece of property? I know, You do not like Sejarah. It does not satisfy your whims and fancies?
In China, people used to practice communism, right? Where the gomen owns all the property there? Different place practices different belief.as stated in the constitution which many of you try to dispute. It is also Islamic to defend one’s own motherland, instead of, say running away or fleeing from it when the place become hostile to you.
You and your perception, again will lead you to nowhere. It only breeds contempt for the masses.
If I may interrupt:-
re: single education stream?
If Mara is funded from tax monies of all tax payers in Malaysia, then it should accept enrollment from all races. When it comes to SJKC, it does not prohibit enrollment from non-Chinese. For UiTM, it does. Can you see the difference?
Let say we really abolish vernacular school system. Can you prohibit anyone from setting-up private Chinese schools which do not rely funding from government? Can you stop parents from sending their kids to such school?
In public domain or when funding comes from government, it should be fair and open to all. In private, up to the freedom of individual to decide. If you call for abolishment of vernacular schools, will you do the same on private and international schools? What about religious schools? Will you prohibit parents from sending their kids to schools in Singapore or overseas?
re: “If Mara is funded from tax monies of all tax payers in Malaysia, then it should accept enrollment from all races.”
It does. Sabah-Sarawak pribumi are enrolled in Mara. Even Chinese have been accepted into MRSM except that the number is very, very, very small.
re: “When it comes to SJKC, it does not prohibit enrollment from non-Chinese. For UiTM, it does. Can you see the difference?”
If you mean to say that UiTM prohibits enrollment from non-Malays, you’re wrong. The Sabah-Sarawak pribumi are eligible.
re: “Let say we really abolish vernacular school system. Can you prohibit anyone from setting-up private Chinese schools which do not rely funding from government?”
Yes. In the same way the government can prohibit anyone from setting up a casino unless it has obtained a gambling licence.
re: “Can you stop parents from sending their kids to such school?”
If Sekolah Kebangsaan 1Malaysia is made mandatory, yes.
re: “In public domain or when funding comes from government, it should be fair and open to all. In private, up to the freedom of individual to decide.”
The free market does not apply to every sector. Just because you can afford to fund an enterprise yourself doesn’t mean you’re allowed to do it. E.g. if you have the capital and you want to set up a private army, you still can’t … unless you’re the Sultan of Johor.
re: “If you call for abolishment of vernacular schools, will you do the same on private and international schools?”
There is no need to abolish international schools. They’re there to serve the children of foreign diplomats. All the gomen has to do is ban those schools from accepting Malaysians.
As for private schools, they can serve the function of tuition centres. By all means, your kid can go to private school in the evening but in the morning he must sit in Satu Sekolah Untuk Semua.
(Note that I personally do not support Satu Sekolah Untuk Semua. I’m merely replying to the points you raise.)
re: “What about religious schools?”
The parents can send their kids to religious school in the evening if they so wish. These religious schools should focus on religious knowledge. Math, Science, English will be taught in morning school and not in the evening school syllabus.
re: “Will you prohibit parents from sending their kids to schools in Singapore”
Yes, if it’s a daily crossing over the Causeway. No, if the kid lives full-time with a relative or in a hostel in S’pore.
re: “”Will you prohibit parents from sending their kids to schools overseas?”
No. If the parents want to leave their kids in boarding school in England or Tasmania, go right ahead. They’d have a better chance later of getting their PR approved. Hannah Yeoh should encourage this.
re: Sabah-Sarawak pribumi are enrolled in Mara.
I stand corrected.
re: If you mean to say that UiTM prohibits enrollment from non-Malays, you’re wrong. The Sabah-Sarawak pribumi are eligible.
Ok. Let us look at the UiTM enrollment against the population in terms of race. I would say enrollment is 99% Malay and Sabah/Sarawak pribumi (together “Bumi”) and 1% non Bumi. Now compare with the population. I would say 65% Bumi and 35% non Bumi. If Mara is funded by tax monies from all races (I don’t have the breakdown of Bumi vs non Bumi), don’t you think the enrollment should reflect the population breakdown?
re: To all your other replies…..
Malaysia is a free market economy. The existence of something depends on the demand. Just look around Subang. So many private uni attended by mostly non Bumi from middle and upper class.
While the gomen may or may not abolish vernacular school, it will never abolish private educational institutions (whether from kindergarten all the way to uni). Simply because the gomen can never accommodate so many students in the public educational institutions. Trust me.
re: Mara enrolment
Look up their annual report. The data might be there.
re: non-Malays mostly in private education
We’re a dreadfully fragmented country. I accept this reality with open eyes. It’s delusional to whinge about “why the races don’t eat together”.
And it’s practically demented that the Dapster-evangelistas are accusing the rest of Malaysia – other than themselves – as being “racist”.
That presumably includes the children of VVIPs who study in international schools in Malaysia or overseas?
No beefs about them opting to stay back overseas after their studies instead of returning to Malaysia?
But then it’s a free market and parents’ choice. And as long as it’s not a drain on public funds.
As for Malaysian kids who commute daily to study in Singapore schools, they (and their parents) are basically “voting with their feet”.
Freedom of choice. Nothing to get hot under the collar about.
All these are minor matters. The fact is that Chinese in Malaysia i a security threat with China getting more belligerent.
Chinese speaking chinese are more closer to china then to malaya.
Chinese issues should be looked from the security aspect. Vernacular schools therefore should be encourage for making it possible for chinese to go back to china as mahathir has said, when china becomes richer, the chinese will go back to china if we dont give them business..
Stupid people like muhyidin have proudly declare that he would allow chinese schools as long as there bulan dan bintang..yeah we all know Yeoh Tiong Lay is his favourite bumiputera contractor..
And now look where he is? Any chines contractors still kissing his hand muahaha.. thewse malay nationalist makan gaji buta je..
re: China getting more belligerent
Who is the one selling assets or giving huge contracts to China companies?
1. 1MDB energy assets;
2. 1MDB Bandar Malaysia;
3. Upcoming HSR projects;
4. Land in Iskandar, Johor;
5. Upcoming largest investment in Kedah (solar power plant).
Who is the one receiving gifts from China like panda and Xiamen Uni? Who is the one silent despite the threat of China presence in South China Sea?
It’s called ‘kontrak sosial’. The recognition of special positions and privileges of the Malays for giving non-Malays citizenship. Your founding fathers agreed to it – they did not need your consent. Just the way your parents agreed to each other to have you without your consent.
You have a choice. Continue with the resentment and being ungrateful to your parents because you were born a non-malay male/female, or accept the fact and live contentedly and peacefully.
I’m aware of the historical agreements, although it’s been grossly manipulated over the years to further strengthen the Malay position. Besides, that was made years ago during very different circumstances. The other races have since contributed significantly with the building of the nation.
Am just saying that a race with integrity and a sense of justice will recognize this and do away with these unequal policies. The west in recent times have embraced a system of meritocracy and democracy, not discriminating against immigrants and people of a different race. It’s the only way forward.
re: “I’m aware of the historical agreements, although it’s been grossly manipulated over the years to further strengthen the Malay position.”
The legal provisions have always been there. It’s a matter of whether the Malays want to avail themselves of it and how stringently.
e.g. Let’s say you and I have a signed contract. If we’re on good terms, I might choose to be lax about enforcing the clauses.
But if you keep saying “Fuck Helen” (or “bitch”) to my face, I might comb the fine print and hit you with penalties for non-compliance when on the other hand, if we had instead a cordial relationship, I’d let it slide.
Given the Dapsters’ constant abusive language and behaviour, how do you reckon that the other side would prefer to interpret terms & conditions?
re: “Besides, that was made years ago during very different circumstances.”
The decision allowing the existence of Chinese schools was also made years ago during very different circumstances. In fact, the Tunku- and Tun Razak-era Education Ministers envisaged vernacular schools to be only a temporary measure.
re: “The other races have since contributed significantly with the building of the nation.”
Urm, by paying taxes?
re: “Am just saying that a race with integrity and a sense of justice will recognize this and do away with these unequal policies.”
I believe a number of Malays would be willing to dilute the NEP under more congenial circumstances. (Although I personally dislike KJ, I’d still pick him as one of the Umno ministers willing to consider implementing a gradual/phased ‘meritocracy’.)
But then too bad, we have the Dapsters and the evangelistas behaving the way they do.
And before you counter that the Malays are being touchy, please recall the recent reaction of Sarawak natives to behaviour of DAP supporters.
re: “The west in recent times have embraced a system of meritocracy and democracy, not discriminating against immigrants and people of a different race.”
The what is the rise of the far right – Norbert Hofer, Marine Le Pen, Geert Wilders etc – all about then?
re: “It’s the only way forward.”
On the contrary, the changing of governments in Europe over the last couple of years and the sealing of borders indicate that the Westerners are making a U-turn and acknowledging that embracing diversity has been disastrous.
No point waxing lyrical if you won’t address the issue of vernacular school separatism. Linguistic acculturation is the root cause of the fragmented social identity in Malaysia.
Meritocracy is winner takes all, loser gets nothing. It’s practical in a tournament but not in peaceful co-existence.
Democracy that you glorify is more concerned about animal & gay rights than human’s right [https://www.rt.com/news/343033-erdogan-gays-animals-syrians/]
WHHDwatave, The west has been lately trying to turn back the clock in their own special way. It is a bit too late for them. Just like our forefathers, they were being too lenient and accommodating that they realised it a bit late.
If only we could turn back the clock which we could not. So, everybody just has to accept the fate and accept the constitution. It is our fate, accept it. Nobody, especially those who fled their own motherland in times of calamity, deserves to talk about integrity, helping the nation? which we did not wish anybody else to do it for anybody. As for justice, you can talk about it China mainland. They have a very firm hand regarding it.
It was actually not helping build the nation but helping ones’ selves to survive in a foreign land aided by the overly accomodating locals. Without the goodwill of the locals, then, the drafters would have been drafting at seas, and might have been swallowed by the waters of the sea. So, learn not to be the ingrates.
Sure, but don’t expect the non-malays to hire the malays then. We hate racists
It’s never an issue if you own the company. Normally a big conglomerate has its policy when hiring people wrt race. I don’t find there is issue of race too.
MARA, UITM …. etc come under the New Economic Policy (NEP), inspired from the Special Position of the Malays and the Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak under Article 153 of the Constitution. That’s one of the sensitive Articles of the Constitution which are protected by the Sedition Act. Questioning them would be seditious. DAP tried those not long after their party formation and they caused the race riots of 13 May 1969.
The NEP came out in 1970 – after the race riots of 1969. A policy designed to eliminate the identification of race with economic functions. The Malays in 1970 had hardly 2% of the economic wealth of the country and by the end of Tun Mahathir’s rule, they had 23% corporate wealth, though not counting wealth in other aspects of the economy, like residential and commercial properties.
The Malays had been backward also educationally because the British colonial powers provided adequate educational facilities only in the towns where most Chinese live. In 1970 there were barely 5% of Malays in the professional field. But now there are many Malays as lawyers, doctors etc, able to answer the unfair accusations, snide remarks etc of the non-Malays in this blog and elsewhere.
The enshrining of the Malay Special Position in the Constitution was the quid pro quo for the Malays agreeing to the citizenship right of the non Malays at Merdeka. Questioning one will lead to counter-questioning of the other and is no good for anybody.
But after explaining those, anyone still not accepting the sensitive clauses of Constitution (which also include the citizenship right of the non-Malays) should really just leave the country for one whose Constitution they like. It’s that simple, fair and reasonable.
I know the history of this country. As well as the history of America. But your statement was:
“Long before people of other races are accepted EQUALLY in America, a governor who is a Chinese was appointed as head of state of Melaka.”
The first part there suggests that you were talking about hundreds of years ago. No such thing as a Chinese Governor in this country even 100 years ago.
But my issues are not with you. I responded to that comment of yours simply for what has been explained above.
Now I wish to respond to a few comments by others below etc that are worth for me to respond.
This Jamal guy is a loose canon. Even if UMNO wants to prove a point, it doesn’t have to be with another UMNO’s version of that DAP superman dude.
Prove instead with how much better they can serve the people.
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