Kempen politik Hannah Yeoh dibiayai orang gereja
Februari 8, 2013 at 2:23 am 101 comments
Tweet oleh DAP SubangJaya telah mempromosikan sebuah rencana berjudul ‘A Christian woman in Malaysian politics – YB Hannah Yeoh‘ yang disiarkan di portal Malaysia Chronicle (6 Feb 2013).
Rencana tersebut merupakan teks khutbah yang disampaikan oleh Hannah Yeoh baru-baru ini — besar kemungkinan di Gereja Methodist Damansara Utama (DUMC) pada tempoh hari.
Di antara kandungan khutbah tersebut yang diterbitkan sebagai sebuah rencana di portal berita Malaysia Chronicle adalah seperti berikut (beberapa petikan):
SEMASA KEMPEN PRU12 AWAL TAHUN 2008
“… [Hannah Yeoh and her team] needed at least RM100,000 to run a successfully [sic] campaign. They did not have the money, so they just committed it to God in prayer. God sent two Christian elders from two different churches who were businessmen to support their campaign. They provided a sizeable amount to her without expecting anything in return.”
HANNAH YEOH SEORANG ‘BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN’ (MUALAF)
Dalam khutbahnya, Hannah menyebut ‘God’ sebanyak 55 kali (lihat screenshot di kaki halaman).
Hannah Yeoh juga menceritakan bagaimana dia masuk Kristian tatkala umurnya 19 tahun.
“Hannah was saved as a Christian in 1998, and during that time her focus was on Bible studies and serving in church and in the Overseas Christian Fellowship in Australia. Since then, her desire was to preach God’s Word, to go everywhere and testify of God’s goodness in her life.”
Juga,
“She wondered if entering into politics had been the right decision, because she seemed so far from her longing to be a preacher. But if she had not obeyed, she would not have had the opportunity to preach at churches, to world leaders and to private schools, like she is doing now.”
KENAPA HANNAH YEOH MENCEBURI BIDANG POLITIK?
Menjawab soalan ‘Why politics?’, Hannah Yeoh membalas:
- “Evil triumphs when good men do nothing”
. - “Fight corruption”
. - “Fight race-based politics”
. - “… if they [voters] do not want to change, if they continue to tolerate unrighteousness, they cannot enter the Promised Land. […] Vote for righteous leaders and play your part in ensuring that Malaysia is free from corruption and race-based politics.”
TONGGAK POLITIK HANNAH YEOH IALAH EVANGELISME
Katanya:
“We have heard so much in the last few years about the government and economic transformation programs, and many people put their hope in such programs to uplift and exalt Malaysia. However, the Bible says that there is only one thing that can exalt Malaysia, and that is righteousness alone. Not monuments, not infrastructure, not a vibrant economy, not a nice sounding slogan, but only righteousness alone. And unless we deal with issues related to righteousness, Malaysia cannot be exalted.”
PERJUANGAN POLITIK HANNAH YEOH IALAH MEMBANTERAS RASUAH
“The sin of corruption is such a disgrace to them that they [youth] do not want to stay back in Malaysia and be related to this country anymore. There are many parents, even Christian parents, who have in one way or another, encouraged their kids to go overseas to find better jobs.”
Menceritakan pengalamannya di seberang laut,
- “She made plans to return to Australia, because like many young people, she did not enjoy Malaysia.”
. - “Hannah decided to do her CLP in Tasmania so that she can work in Australia and leave Malaysia for good.”
. - “She had a job [in Australia] but the government refused to give her a PR.”
PENGALAMAN AWAL HANNAH YEOH DALAM POLITIK
“Hannah never had any ambition that involved politics. At the age of 28, she joined DAP in PJ Utara mainly to support her friend Edward Lim* [sic, Edward Ling*]. Her role up to 2008 was to arrange for food and drinks for the opening of Tony Pua’s service centre.
“She does not know many leaders or political issues. Like many young people, she was only concerned about her job and serving in church.
“She did not know the difference between a Member of Parliament, a State Assemblymen and a Local Councilor.
“If you do not know the difference between these, you have to find out so that you will not vote for the wrong person and for the wrong reasons. Hannah joined politics because she wanted to fight corruption and race-based politics.“
JANJI KEMPEN HANNAH YEOH DALAM TAHUN 2008
“Hannah also vowed at that time that she would not make any personal attacks on her opponent. It was quite tough, but she decided that as a Christian, if she did that, she would not be glorifying God. She will challenge them on their policies, but she will not direct any personal attacks.“
Hannah Yeoh cakap dia bukan jenis yang akan melancarkan apa-apa serangan peribadi ke atas lawan.
Macam biasalah, cakap tak serupa bikin.
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Atas Pagar | Februari 8, 2013 at 3:05 am
She is not the first religious bigot to have found her ways into politic therefore there is nothing special about her in this context.
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KRistian dongeng Yahudi | Februari 12, 2013 at 1:46 am
Hana Yeoh cina tak laku di Australia. Mat Salleh tak nak these cinki woman in australia sebab tu mereka tak bagi PR pada Yeoh tong sang.
Jangan fikir mat salleh tak laku kat Malaysia boleh laku.
Kita perlu ajar Kristian ini supaya menerima Tanah Melayu dengan Raja-Raja Melayu tak tidak mengembangkan tahyul yahudi Jesus di tanah yang berdaulat ini.
Yeah… haram undi DAP Kristian!
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fff | Februari 16, 2013 at 12:13 am
Really Hell? And who the fuck pays you? And your witless minions? Get a grip bitch. Get shampoo.
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Atas Pagar | Februari 8, 2013 at 3:19 am
If she closes one eye on the the vice dens, the “Fighting Corruption” slogan is nothing accept what a dreamer is famous about…empty rhetoric.
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Vote Hanna for Pope! | Februari 19, 2013 at 12:02 am
Hanna Yeoh Tiong should be nominated by the Cardinals as the next Pope now that Benedict dont want to be Popey any more.
What is the use of all the power and money of the Italian church mafia when the US public prosecutors has been hounding you about the altar boys? Where is the fun heh?
This chinese woman has all the credentials. She believes 100% in the Jewish Christ mythology which no one in the europe believe anymore. Plus she likes blacks/african who are strong myth believer too.
She may not be italian mafia material but chinese triad ok what.
what not to like?
Hanna sure can be the first Chinese woman Pope and be God on earth in Malaysia.
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Anonymous | Februari 8, 2013 at 3:27 am
Sounds exactly like PAS, if i dont vote for pas i wont go to heaven. If i dont change the gov i wont enter the promised land. Since when politicians took over God’s role in deciding who goes to heaven? Jobs and economy are less important than a vague “righteousness” hahaha ok thats funny.
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Servant of God | Februari 8, 2013 at 11:15 am
“Since when politicians took over God’s role in deciding who goes to heaven?”
A golden point.
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tsehwei | Februari 19, 2013 at 10:14 pm
The term “Promised Land” is not strictly a Christian phrase, if you really want to be technical about it and analytical about the usage of words etc (which I suppose is the general trend of this post). It’s Jewish, referring to the land of Canaan. The few times it was found in the New Testament, it was used by Jewish Christians to help Jewish Christian readers understand doctrinal propositions, using a familiar backdrop.
Christians aren’t the only ones who use it (football commentators use it, and I won’t say all of them are Christians), and when they do, they certainly don’t always mean it literally.
For example, “two is better than one” by Boys Like Girls is also found in the Bible (in Proverbs), except it says “two ARE better than one”. It would be a stretch to say Boys Like Girls were trying to evangelize the world, especially when the song was about romantic love. (and I hope nobody comes up with an “all Western countries are Christian countries” because that statement has been argued only too many times)
The neighbour principle in Donoghue v. Stevenson lent its name from a story in the Bible, but Lord Atkin certainly didn’t mean to convert the poor lady who found a snail in her ginger ale and the poor manufacturer who was really in poor luck.
“Lazarus” is the name of two men in the Bible, yet people who may not be Christians use it as a catchy / dramatic description of something which was not working before / dead coming back to life.
The word “meaningless” is used repeatedly as a main idea in the book of Ecclesiastes at least 37 times. If a Christian politician used it and perhaps happened to say it 5 times in a speech / sermon, I suppose people would say she/he was trying to convert people also by using a Biblical reference. But I highly doubt he/she meant to do that, because it’s a rather silly and ineffective way to evangelize.
Much has been said about Helen’s freedom to blog, and Hannah’s hypocrisy, and other people’s genuineness. I must say that since I know none of these personally, any comments on their character would be quite unfounded. As a member of the legal fraternity, I agree that Helen has her freedom to write, and in a perfect world, it would not be taken away from her. I also suppose that Hannah knew what she would have to face as a politician. After all, who really likes politicians anyway? (only when there’s a worse politician around, mostly) Everybody has flaws, but a politician is expected to be particularly flawless simply because he/she is in the limelight. That can’t be helped.
But whether pro-Hannah or anti-Hannah or just whatever-Hannah, I think if you (not referring specifically to Helen) were to put yourself in Hannah’s shoes, some comments have been painful to read.
And I think most people comment to get a response. If you were to just comment for fun, you would write it on a real wall in your room and not one like this for all to see.
So let’s give Hannah and people who feel for her, some space to FEEL and to respond. Let’s not attack people for responding. With one exception – I don’t know about you, but when I read comments, I would rather read comments that help me understand an issue better, rather than reading fights and quarrels and virtual tomato-throwing.
(and comments that the commentator has no way of substantiating. I think it is not just a proposition of LAW that “he who alleges must prove”.)
As for me, the earlier part of my comment is to help put things in perspective. Just because a Christian says something doesn’t make it ‘Christian’. That’s far too great a pressure, because then the fate of the entire alphabet is in our hands.
And what’s wrong with having convictions and a spirituality behind your life’s purpose / the work you do?
Someone asked in a previous post about how to serve Allah besides just reading the Quran. A Christian is brought up to endeavour to serve God in everything he/she does, besides just reading the Bible.
If you ask me, that’s what that article on Hannah was all about.
For those who made it this far, thank you for reading. Feel free to respond.
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Atas Pagar | Februari 8, 2013 at 4:25 am
The Ausian Gov refused to give her PR? Why? Very straight forward. Since there is no shortage of Banana over there, they don’t need any more Banana especially the imported one. But Jerusubangites have different taste…of higher class compare to Ausie. Really?
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HM, syd | Februari 8, 2013 at 9:09 pm
Hannah Yeoh is a liar – no surprise there. For any non-citizen non-ANZac to be offered employment legally in Oz, she either must hold a permanent residentship status in her own right; or, the employer supports visa sponsorships (subclass 457 generally) or employer sponsored PR status together with the job offer. Itu baru offer, belum boleh kerja lagi. Kalau dah kerja, makna nya mesti sudah status PR atau subclass 457. Betul ke tidak si pembohong ni kerja di syarikat guaman se masa di Tassie. Agaknya buat kerja haram cuci mangkuk kat kedai makan kata kerja jadi loyar. Balik Malaya jadi loyar buruk.:-)
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alfie | Februari 19, 2013 at 1:49 am
Input macam ni MACC or SPR patut check to verify. Kalau betul dia tak layak jadi MP. But knowing our kakitangan kerajaan I am sure they will be sleeping on this matter or some of them a closet PKR sympathize doing their part to help Anwar and letting these info to slide by.
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HM, syd | Februari 20, 2013 at 6:33 pm
All politicians lie – it’s the nature of their business, the difference is on how big or how small are the lies. Kalau semua nak kena tindakan, memang tak cukup kakitangan. Sebab itu orang ramai kena bijak menilai. Kuasa di tanggan masing-masing.
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eddy | Februari 8, 2013 at 6:30 am
Like most of the Chinese in our country that always think that the grass are greener on the other side, they will come back after settle down for a years in overseas.
I think they can realised that the educated & modern ‘Orang Putih’ are not really kind and welcoming the Asian in their country, unlike the Malays, can accept almost 1 million foreign during independent from British to stay here with them as 1 big family.
Dont believe me? Ask Tommy Thomas then..
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Ravin | Februari 8, 2013 at 7:37 am
That doesn’t mean she can’t defend herself from people like you and the prostitute joceline who are paid to attack her. You have switch camp, from anti to pro government. She is still with opposition.
Who is cakap tak serupa bikin actually?
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Helen Ang | Februari 8, 2013 at 9:36 am
(1) “defend herself”
Supposing I have 60,000 Twitter followers – and pls do remember tweets are retweeted causing a wide ripple effect – and I tweeted:
How is that “defending myself”? That is raising a lynch mob against you.
Defending one’s self is refuting facts. If she wanted to defend herself, she should come up with a more convincing argument than shifting blame to the NRD counter clerk or shifting blame to Najib when she was caught Facebooking during the S’gor state assembly in session.
She should defend herself against the bloggers Dhanyaraam and Sea Demon who produced evidence that she “menipu”, blocked access to her Twitter feed by critics and deleted her tweets to erase evidence when she was caught out.
(2) “people like you and the prostitute joceline who are paid to attack her”
Your accusation is ambiguous. Are you suggesting that someone is paying me to attack Hannah Yeoh? If so, who? Do you have any proof that I’m being paid? Can you show any evidence that I’m enjoying the fruits of my payment, say produce a photo of me behind the wheel of a Mercedes sport?
(3) “the prostitute joceline”
Oh yes, that’s a widespread slur I often see being spread by Dapsters. So calling a political analyst a “prostitute” is considered a convincing defence of your idol?
Is this also the reason Hannah deliberately coupled my name with Joceline’s?
You’ve mentioned in previous comments that you’re a Subang Jaya resident. So hallelujah Jerusubang.
(4) On the matter of “switching camps”.
(a) I have NEVER ever been a member of any political party. So how is it possible for me to crossover, in the sense of cutting up any party membership card?
(b) I started my journalism career in the NST and later worked in The Star. They are mainstream media belonging to the ruling parties. Both are owned by proxy by BN interests.
Therefore if you want to look at it that way, I’ve been in the employ of the establishment ever since I graduated. So what ‘switch’ is there if you’re saying I sound pro-establishment today?
(c) Ideological consistency. Who has switched?
(i) Hannah Yeoh belongs to a party that used to refuse to wear the songkok at official functions (like the opening of Dewan sittings or during investiture). Now, the DAP women are wearing tudung which the MCA women have never done in 60 years. Siapa yang Ubah?
(ii) DAP used to scream their objections at regulations requiring school prefects to wear songkok and female police constables to wear tudung at parade. They demand the right to freedom of dressing. Today DAP is backing up PAS on the matter of tutup aurat and will not allow stage performers at their entertainment shows to wear ‘revealing’ clothes. Siapa yang Ubah?
(iii) On the controversies regarding the overlapping jurisdiction of the syariah and civil court, DAP used to make a deafening hoo-ha against creeping Islamisation. Today Karpal is the only prominent leader left in the party willing to wager his (dead) body to be walked over first. Today, to win the Malay votes in Penang, Guan Eng is pumping money into the Islamic enforcement infrastructure.
If you do that, you’re no longer secular as secularism means a separation of religion and state. In a secular country, no single faith system is privileged over another and nor is the state allocating a budget for expenditure on religious activities. In secular countries, the churches fund themselves and are not run by the government.
With DAP playing the religion card, can they rightly still call themselves a secular party? They have breached every parameter of secularism as delineated in the textbooks. So who has Ubah?
(5) On the other hand, I’m soooo consistent. I’m anti-hudud. I see that MCA is anti-hudud although this blog is not promoting the party as I tag them “dinosaur pupus”.
I can see that DAP is inconsistent – you can compare Guan Eng’s speeches in the past when he was in oppo and his speeches now that he’s heading a state govt – and that DAP has Ubah so much in the last handful of years and that DAP has pusing roundabout berkali-kali.
If I take a more critical view of DAP today, it’s b’cos they’ve changed beyond recognition.
(a) They shout meritocracy but what is the merit of Zairil’s meteoric rise? Why did Guan Eng introduce Zairil’s appointment to the press as the (record) first “setpol Melayu” to the party sec-gen? I thought they claim to be colour blind. So his merit is mainly his Malay name and the name of his famous father who was an Umno stalwart.
(b) What is the merit of appointing Zairil to the CEC? Guan Eng said, so that he can attract more Malays to join DAP. So again his merit is on his skin colour, like the multi-level marketing schemes of Member Get Member. This one is Malay Get Malay (to join DAP).
(c) Zairil was overnight made CEO of the state think-tank. What is his professional qualification for the job? Has he got the CV of rising up through the ranks with previous experience as a researcher and a Fellow? Remember DAP is screaming Meritocracy, Accountability and Transparency.
Transparency would be if a PhD holder with the right qualifications in the field and who has done the lecturing circuit of other prestigious think-tanks in the region were to be appointed. Instead Penang Institute gets Zairil who is nothing more than a political appointee.
(d) Why do I say that he is no more than Guan Eng’s budak suruhan? Well, Tunku Aziz revealed that his boss the CM sent the pol-sec to dangle the RM50,000 carrot in front of Tunku Aziz.
So Penang Institute made the decision that they suddenly had a lucrative vacancy and for which Tunku Aziz could fill. Was the vacancy open before Tunku Aziz’s resignation from the party?
(e) Did the Penang Institute board of directors unanimously decide that Tunku Aziz should be hired or was it Guan Eng’s unilateral political decision as Penang Institute chairman, and which he sent his budak suruhan the institute CEO to convey?
If Guan Eng practised any accountability and transparency, then the most qualified candidate should have been taken into the Penang Institute. No offence to Tunku Aziz but the Penang DAP govt is always talking about Open Tender.
So rather than allegedly “bribing” Tunku Aziz, the sudden ‘vacancy’ in the Penang Institute should have been openly advertised and at least half a dozen prospective applicants go through a rigorous process of vetting and interviews. Nope, what we see in the Tunku Aziz “bribe” episode was instead cronyism, the same they accuse BN of and the worse that they themselves practice.
(f) Even the Majlis Perbandaran Subang Jaya also they practice cronyism. Hannah Yeoh’s personal assistants Rajiv Rishyakaran and Ken Chia and her political secretary Edward Ling have been appointed MPSJ councillors past and present.
And they accuse BN of cronyism and claim that the DAP practises meritocracy.
So if I object to their Ubah, and their cronyism and all their actions which are against secularism and democracy, am I being consistent to my past objections against BN’s cronyism and lack of transparency?
How is it that I’ve “changed” or I’ve Ubah when my objections to the wrongdoings remain the same?
(6) Look at how DAP used to tear into PAS and tear into Anwar Ibrahim before. In fact, it was Karpal who raised in Parliament the charge of Anwar’s sodomy. This is recorded in the Hansard.
So DAP has Ubah from being the fiercest critics of Anwar and of PAS to becoming the sleeping partner who is closing one eye to PAS banning this (unisex hair salon flap) and tangkap that (two men sitting alone in a car).
So who is the one who switched camp? You tell me.
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Servant of God | Februari 8, 2013 at 11:19 am
Ravin,
you have been slapped in the face with shit-encrusted pig balls.
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Fakin' Fake Calvin | Februari 8, 2013 at 11:32 am
I think King Kong is pretty much more absurd. I mean what was he thinking? There was no way he could procreate with the chick right? And grabbing a girl like that & taking her up a building in the open? What was he thinking? The girl’s hair would all be ruined & her dress crushed by his huge, rough hands.
Having said that, Ravin would run King Kong pretty close on the absurdity stakes.
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Hantu Siber | Februari 8, 2013 at 11:35 am
wow… hebatnya jawapan kamu Helen. mcm ini la barulah dikatakan berani. memang ada isi perbincangan dan jawapan awak itu tidak seperti mereka yang asyik menuduh dan memaki aje. pepatah orang Melayu yang sesuai adalah “mulut murai.”
terbaca satu komen yang baik dalam blog Rockybru. petikannya berbunyi seperti berikut :
… trying to apply what is termed in Legal Argument as a “DIVERSUS SUSPICIO,” that is, shifting suspicions via misdirections …
i like your blog.
- Hantu Siber -
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Hantu Siber | Februari 8, 2013 at 11:39 am
tambahan.
komen yang baik dalam blog Rockybru :
… trying to apply what is termed in Legal Argument as a “DIVERSUS SUSPICIO,” that is, shifting suspicions via misdirections …
itulah kaedah mereka sekarang.
- Hantu Siber -
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Helen Ang | Februari 8, 2013 at 11:48 am
Thanks. However their incessant attacks are tiring me.
Inipun in my own blog where I know what they’re saying. Imagine all the fitnah that’s going on in Facebook and Twitter.
And whenever the other bloggers like BigCat, Kak Ena, Rocky, SAA pick-up stuff from my blog, the DAP Red Guards would be the first to wage their smear campaign.
Sample comment of their stalking me — see here.
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rahmatdaud | Februari 8, 2013 at 11:42 am
Brilliantly rebut, Helen
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nalza@700 | Februari 8, 2013 at 2:47 pm
HAHAHA…ambik kau Ravin…kak helen kita dah mengamuk!! mana mau lari…???
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Sshsn | Februari 16, 2013 at 3:40 am
Aren’t you the defensive one hell…why don’t you quickly compare…an mp…against a frustrated bitch with bad hair…
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kpanjang | Februari 16, 2013 at 9:56 am
Sshsn, lu belom mampus lagi ka?, by “the frustrated bitch with bad hair” are you talking about your grandmother.
Any way wishing asshole like you “kong si fuck choy’.
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zulzab | Februari 8, 2013 at 9:51 am
Mudahnya melabel joceline sebagai pelacur. Wow…..dari mulut seorang pembela ahli politik yang dibiayai oleh gereja. Hanya mengukuhkan pandangan saya bahawa ugama telah disalahgunakan untuk politik. Dalam ugama politik mencarut adalah halal sebagaimana halalnya memfitnah orang lain sebagai pelacur.
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Atas Pagar | Februari 8, 2013 at 11:19 am
HY also is being paid to attack this and that so based on Ravin definition of a prostitute, he has to agree that HY is also prostituting her religion, no?
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I'm A | Februari 8, 2013 at 12:33 pm
How do u know joceline is a prostitute? If it is not true, so u mist be slandering…christian evangelist ok with slandering, meh?
So ppl can’t switch camp fro oppo to govt,while ppl who change from gov to oppo is a towering invidual?.. What a sick theory is that..?
I think helen is just a devil advocate for dap..(pls translate devil advocate properly)…bt ya..who knows now..undi adalah rahsia kan…
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Helen Ang | Februari 8, 2013 at 12:38 pm
re: “devil’s advocate”
Some of the Dapsters, for example the infamous ‘Godfather’ – found in the Reader Comment section of LKS, RockyBru, BigCat – have bestowed upon me the title of “anti-Christ” (which is a higher rank than ‘advocate’:)
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Fakin' Fake Calvin | Februari 8, 2013 at 6:45 pm
Congrats on your elevated status… Somehow, their brand of Christianity means all non opposition supporters are branded with one or another “anti Christ/Islam/Buddhism/Sikhism/Scientology/”… Heaven is beyond the likes of you & me if they’re to be believed… Somehow, I’ll take that risk of eternity in damnation rather than throw my support behind bigoted, hypocritical, uncouth & arrogant know-it-alls. Beyond redemption, truly
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zulzab | Februari 8, 2013 at 8:20 am
Birds of a feather always flock together. Nampak persamaan dengan Anwar dan Nik Aziz yang menyalahgunakan ugama untuk kepentingan politik. Nama sahaja orang kuat beragama tetapi sering menyemaikan perasaan benci yang amat sangat terhadap orang lain.
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Fakin' Fake Calvin | Februari 8, 2013 at 11:19 am
You actually sound like the Klu Klux Klan. Different platform, different target, different geographical location but the same hatred, same self glorification & same bigotry. Go ahead, pray to Our Lord (or just yours) to finish of Helen, Joceline & whoever who stands in your way of a exalted nation of righteousness. Go on, take a sword & cut someone like Simon Peter did (John 18:10)
In conclusion, here’s something for your own reflection;
To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable:
“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector.
I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
Luke18: 9-14 New International Version.
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The International Jew | Februari 8, 2013 at 11:47 am
The Malay Mail’s Jamal Ibrahim on The Cyber Red Guards.
read this : http://www.mmail.com.my/story/red-guard-mind-your-language-please-46949
Happy Chinese New Year Helen !
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Helen Ang | Februari 8, 2013 at 11:49 am
Thanks. I will be taking a short break for CNY. Deep breath, release :)
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Salhas | Februari 9, 2013 at 2:18 pm
Wished you’d come back refreshed and in a better mood to continue with your fight against manipulative devils in evangelist clothing. Just consider their condemnation of yourself as another credit (pahala) for your ticket to paradise.
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Helen Ang | Februari 9, 2013 at 2:28 pm
Thank you.
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An Hwa Lee what? | Februari 8, 2013 at 11:55 am
“She made plans to return to Australia, because like many young people, she did not enjoy Malaysia.”
-Walawweh, did not enjoy Malaysia, then why so butthurt when people says you can leave this cursed country for good? Racistla apala. Go anywhere and do anything as you please. . Err wait..
“She had a job [in Australia] but the government refused to give her a PR.”
-Pulak dah, kata high class sgt. Ni pun org lain x sudi nak terima kao. So when you’re stuck, nak kutuk2 negara ni pulak, susahkan orang lain yg enjoy kat negara ni.
Righteousness tang mana tu Cik Pisang?
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K T | Februari 8, 2013 at 12:24 pm
good one, helen!
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anakjamil | Februari 8, 2013 at 2:16 pm
i think without the religion factor – DAP & PAS do not have a single point to attack the gomen, only DAP has one upmanship: the racial card.
Dear HY,
You’re not a follower of Christ, you’re just a fan – a mere groupie hoping that by associating your name with Jesus, you’ll be acknowledged as a person of righteousness. Truth is you’re a sad lost lamb, copy pasting and spinning the holy Bible according to your whims and fancies: and that my dear Hannah makes you another tragic person. If you have done bible studies (as alleged by your copywriter), and from the way you carry/exude/present yourself, you seriously do not have a clue what Christianity is all about.
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calvinsankaran | Februari 8, 2013 at 3:13 pm
One of the cardinal rules that I have learnt in my life, both professionally and personally, is that never trust someone who loudly proclaim her / his religious credentials and love of God and invoke morality as their guiding principles.
These people almost always turn out to be morally and or materially corrupted and tend to be bullies, hypocrites and liars of the highest order. To me such attachment to religion and god is a dead giveaway.
It is quite clear that that The Lady of Jerusubang is a control freak, obviously deeply in love with her own image, fond of self promotion and a liar.
During her early days she actually attended MPSJ council meetings and demanded certain decisions to be made based on her recommendation and to browbeat the councillors. Even though it is forbidden for ADUNs to attend these meetings. It was only after her actions were leaked to the press she backed off.
She also lies about her candidacy and her “beliefs” too. What really happened was that she was a back-up candidate and when the original candidate pulled out, she was asked to contest. The fact was that she was a low-level DAP member who had no clue about politics but joined the party anyway like any other chauvenist Chinese who hated the Malays.
It was through the Christian connection (Edward Ling and Tony Pua) that she was offered candidacy. Her main asset was her religion, ethnicity and her face. What kind of service a clueless twenty something Aussie reject can offer to an affluent middle class area that is SJ ? None.
It is also a blatant lie that she stood for anti-corruption and race politics. In her election manifesto, her mission was states as fighting discrimination (ie the NEP = anti bumi). There was never any mention of corruption or race politics at all.
Secondly, previously she never claimed that she wanted to migrate to Australia because of corruption. What she claimed was that many students wanted to stay back and work overseas to pay back student loans.
She opposes race-based politics but has no problem with race-based school system or race-based TV/radio system. She speaks Cantonese at home and she actually studied at a Chinese school before the family moved to SJ. At SJ,since there was no Chinese school she was enrolled into SRK.
I find it laughable that she wanted to migrate to Australia because she has given upon Malaysia but when she had to return because she was not a PR, all of suddenly she changed her mind to be a champion of anti-corruption and a crusader against evil.
Here’s a snakeoil peddler who once given up on Malaysia because of corruption but now professes as the saviour of the country and the Guardian of Morality.
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AK47 | Februari 8, 2013 at 6:17 pm
Good. 10 new casino licences will be issued to Pulau Pinang, Sabah and Sarawak and all other on-line gambling goodies too when the PR comes into power. Like squeaky clean Singapore which housed the world’s biggest football fixing and rigging ops and was caught by the Interpol to the consternation of the World Community. If squeaky clean Singapore can do it why not Pulau Pinang ? This explains the tycoons fluttering around like moths around the Holy Lamp !
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Melonhead | Februari 8, 2013 at 6:46 pm
Just wanted to wish you and your family Happy Chinese New Year. Be safe, be strong, be happy and keep on writing.
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Helen Ang | Februari 8, 2013 at 6:55 pm
:)
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zizan | Februari 8, 2013 at 6:59 pm
Haha..tahniah kak helen, anda telah mengoreng pengikut jerusubang sehingga mereka kepanasan…pisang kalau digoreng memang sedap dimakan semasa masih panas. Selamat tawun baru cina saya ucapkan. Tk
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Helen Ang | Februari 8, 2013 at 7:02 pm
TQ
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bzz | Februari 8, 2013 at 7:25 pm
Just for fun before CNY. Btw, Gong Xi Fa Chai Helen…
[YouTube: Ubah Rocket Style parody]
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harkis | Februari 9, 2013 at 1:13 pm
So this coming election, all of you going to vote DAP in Subang. If you do not vote, Helen Ang blog will close shop. Nothing to write and you have nothing to say about her. So there is more fun and gossip if she is still the ADUN. If you want her to lose, then Helen Ang go and take on her. Helen has so many issues with her. Otherwise Helen is just anothe armchair critics.
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Brownny | Februari 9, 2013 at 3:17 pm
I don’t think Helen will take on Hannah in GE. Talk is cheap and easy. Just like sitting down and blogging. Helen wouldn’t want to go through the pressure of politics right? Oh btw, Helen, you should study the word righteousness and understand what it meant before putting a subheading like “Tonngak Politik Hannah Yeoh Adalah Evangelisme”. It clearly showed you’re trying to stir up something hatred. Hm, do you work for Utusan? You sounded like them who fitnah, got sued and now have to compensate for their fitnah.
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jonnymalaya | Februari 9, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Go easy on Helen, she cannot afford to lose her deposit. :)
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harkis | Februari 10, 2013 at 11:38 am
Helen to lose her deposit? She has so many machais and their comments running like the great wall of china. She has many supporters so verbal in her blog otherwise, you mean they are fake ones? Talk very big but do nothing? What a pity as the impression given by the bloggers as Helen can give a very good fight against Mother Mary of Subang.
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MalayPrincess | Februari 10, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Harkis – “talk very big but do nothing?”,
what Kak Helen is doing is not nothing but something;
writing her opinion is as big as talking. talking through the blog because she doesn’t have privileged platforms like ur YB HY.
Kak Helen writes her opinion so readers, politician, their supporters can read, analyse what went wrong and correct it for betterment.
problem with politicians nowadays and their fanatic political party supporter is; you don’t want to read what others write. or you just want to read good things about your side. if otherwise, you take it negative.
ask you YB HY read more & yourself too, so all of you can provide solid, factual arguments rather than mumbling pointless. no twisting and spinning.
if you don’t like what Kak Helen writes and other comment, just stop coming to this blog. Like I did with Malaysiakini.
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harkis | Februari 12, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Helen;s opinion? Nothing is good about Hannah. You follow like a dog over some of Helen’s sayings. If Hannah is not good to be a ADUN of Selangor, then kick her out and prove that you all are better than her. Otherwise you are just gossipping and is it your religion teach you? If Helen does not have a previleged platform to speak out, then as a crony, support her for this coming election so that she as a ADUN can speak out and matters on behalf of you. Otherwise, it shows all of you are freaks.
You do not know what is demo cracy. But as in Helen’s blog, more than 70% is devoted to saying back about this mother mary of Subang. It show she has deep grudges or maybe psycopath on this matter
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HM, syd. | Februari 16, 2013 at 4:54 pm
Harkis,
Going by your so called logic, all the writers at MalaysiaKini or Harakah ought to take on DS Najib or other elected BNs at this coming election. Is view in your world only one sided in that, it’s okay to give opinions against the government but not for others to give against the opposition?
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harkis | Februari 17, 2013 at 11:14 am
HM, Syd
Who is illogic and like a blind dog guide often found in croc dundee land. Can you see how much writings have been devoted to mother mary of subang like personal grudges and attack just by Helen. Why not settle the score once and for all?
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Helen Ang | Februari 17, 2013 at 12:37 pm
re: “personal grudge”
If I’ve written anything libelous about Hannah here, you can trust that she will not hesitate to sue me.
She has a law degree and her RM1 million DUN allocation and the DAP Dream Machine superstructure and her state-DAP office and her half dozen personal assistants & volunteers and all the church extensive networking plus the DAP trolls that nest in blogs like Rocky, SAA, STL, BigCat as well as those who stalk me here like Sshsn aka fff, Ravin & King Kong (the beruk whom I’ve told to bugger off).
Is it fair that Hannah Yeoh is scrutinized? I think so, given the amount of publicity she courts for herself and the saturation media coverage accorded to her not only by Selangor Times, The Rocket and other Pakatan state media besides The Star with its reach to millions of readers.
The other DAP Wanita higher office holders, for example Chong Eng (the chief of women’s wing) and CE’s fellow MP Fong Po Kuan or a number of others – e.g. the deputy chief of Wanita DAP is Mary Josephine Prittam Singh – do not get any negative mention in my blog because they do their jobs and are not lebih sudu dari kuah.
As to who is being “personal” and dealing low blows, let’s just take the name-calling that you yourself have thrown at me.
On 2013/02/12 at 4:56 pm, you suggested that I may be a “psychopath”, and on 2013/02/10 at 11:38 am implied that the commentators here are “faked” (meaning I’ve making up the existence of ‘HM, Syd’ or ‘Ayah’ for example, which in turn implies that I’m a cheat) as well as that all my “cronies” in this blog are “freaks”.
So who is being personal?
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harkis | Februari 18, 2013 at 5:45 pm
Helen, How do you know that other Dap Wanita like Chong and Fong do their job? Where do you get the news on them from? If they do theirt job, don’t they deserve to be praise. Anyway, mother mary of subang is just a small fart and you just pick on a small fart when the national matters deserves great atten. Again it clear show personal grudges by look into the needles and petty matters than wastages of billions and the poor remains poor.
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i hate n'sync | Februari 18, 2013 at 8:05 pm
I have a few choice words for the likes of harkis, brownny and jonnymalaya.
Helen Ang made a choice and created a blog to share her views. That takes some effort and time. This enables some cross-pollination of ideas, and of course, primarily for Helen to highlight her thoughts and interests (pet peeves even). She also made the decision to be responsible for the blog entries, giving it her name and a photo of herself. She is no stranger to the local journalism scene too, for those with long memories.
So, for the commentators who thinks that Helen needs some credibility beyond the armchair, try to understand that some people ARE writers (they just happen to be social critics as well). Erm, is Kee Thuan Chye running for office? Do you know if he has political ambitions or interests? How about A Samad Said? How about Uncle Patrick? So they are all armchair critics-lah.
The idea and concept of the freedom of expression is to allow the likes of Helen to put her voice out there. She could be right OR wrong, she could be petty OR generous, she could be selective OR respond only to MSM headlines. That is HER choice. It is also YOUR choice to respond or ignore whatever she writes, such is the beauty of blogs (or forums or any other form of communicative engagement).
Since you clearly don’t like Helen “picking” on Hannah (David vs. the Goliath?), you’re free to offer your defence of your idol. I am sure we welcome your input as to what, say, Hannah’s contributions are since 2008. Or what Hannah has achieved since 2008 (other than giving birth to two children, god bless her!). perhaps your strategy is not to defend Hannah, you just want the attacks to stop. If that’s the case, I think you can suggest that Helen stop picking on the poor woman and leave her alone, but I doubt it would work. I mean, Helen’s specialization is in roasting Hannah, the Star and the ocassional LGE. She would find other things to write about of course, but since this is her blog and this is her space, I think she can damn well do what she likes.
Besides, Helen’s writings are like needles prickling the feet of an elephant – insignificant. Now don’t go all bonkers and claim that I called Hannah an elephant, ok?
Cheers!
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Helen Ang | Februari 18, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Since my specialization is roasting Hannah and The Star as you say, it sure boggles the mind that some Dapsters such as Godfather, Sshsn and their ilk can claim that Umno and MCA are paying me to blog.
After all, my other dedicated critic Jonnymalaya insists that The Star is staunchly pro-BN. Over the last few days, the paper has indeed made a pendulum swing with its spate of articles headlined “Dr Chua said” (this and that). As we enter the last lap before polling day, it does appear that The Star is beginning to function as the BN mouthpiece … MCA has cracked the whip.
Quite evidently, my detractors are contradicting logic as well as tripping each other up with their allegations.
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Helen Ang | Februari 18, 2013 at 8:42 pm
To expand on “my detractors are contradicting logic as well as tripping each other up with their allegations”,
(a) why would Umno pay me to roast a “small fart” (according to Harkis’ description, implying that I’m petty to pick on someone who’s not a big player) when Subang Jaya is not even a seat that Umno contests due to its large Chinese population?
(b) why would MCA pay me to roast Hannah when its own newspaper has been praising Hannah to the skies (and to the stars and to infinity and beyond)?
See the illogic of Dapsters.
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Lousy.Engineer | Februari 18, 2013 at 9:36 pm
Helen, How do you know that other Dap Wanita like Chong and Fong do their job?- harkis
Well, I think at least FPK is being her true self all the time and doesn’t like to berpura-pura like the SJ Adun. Ten years ago FPK brought up the issue of non-Muslim ladies being compelled to wear tudung in IIUM.
Now, fast forward ten years later, we have DAP ladies like HY and TNC embracing tudung! They are probably in their desperate mode to to reach out Malay electorate in their place, but do they really have to do until this extent (wearing tudung, encroaching mosques, etc)?
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harkis | Februari 19, 2013 at 5:56 pm
So you admit Helen make a choice – personal grinding with mother mary of subang. See the percentage of articles devoted to her and you all Pakatan to make her Joan of Arc. Tuan Chye and many others do not devote a nuclear enery to a particular person in Dumno and BeEnd like Helen who loves to read Selangor Times to find out more about what Hannah is doing. Unfortunately Chong and Fong are not people’s represenatative in Selangor and hence limited news on them. Anyway, different MPs have different ways of looking after their area. Maybe Helen is very jealous of them. .
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i hate n'sync | Februari 20, 2013 at 12:10 am
I don’t know, we can speculate if Helen’s incessant picking on Hannah is borne out of deep and intense jealousy on her part.
I guess tsehwei made the point that some of the things said about Hannah (and vice versa by some commentators about Helen) are not very nice (or it makes one wince).
I am not, by nature, a nice person. Perhaps if more is like tsehwei, our politics would be less crappy.
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Helen Ang | Februari 20, 2013 at 12:23 am
re: “borne out of deep and intense jealousy on her part.”
He who asserts must prove.
Nasty is one thing. Slander, libel and defamation are another.
What proof that MCA paid me? The accusation defies logic since The Star is a favourite uncomplimentary subject here.
Why would MCA pay me to “pick” on Hannah if its own media mouthpiece is daily full of praise for Hannah. Again such illogic.
Why would Umno pay me to pick on such a “small fart” (as her supporters insist) when Subang Jaya has never been a constituency that Umno contests in?
I’ve put up a lot of material in this blog. Instead of countering with fact in an open domain, they slander, defame, libel, curse and swear (and elsewhere since here is moderated) in Facebook and Twitter.
It’s uncontrollable, just like the comments against Mahathir or Joceline or Rosmah or Chandra or Ridhuan Tee are beyond control.
As a blog admin, I will share with you that my experience has been like Raja Petra’s. The sickest comments come in response to Jerusubang topics.
MCA has been at the receiving end of my ‘dinosaur’ and ‘pupus’ jibes but so far, none of that kind of viciousness on any of the MCA threads.
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i hate n'sync | Februari 20, 2013 at 8:54 am
Well Helen, we cannot stop Harkis from whatever they are thinking. I mean, when I read about Hannah and the Anak Malaysia stunt, certain words came to my mind that I don’t think I can express them here.
Perhaps to some, the very fact that you are zooming in on Hannah IS proof of deep and intense jealousy. I am still trying to come up with the possible reasons you COULD be envious of her. I am also thinking that perhaps I too AM jealous of Lim Guan Eng or other people that I have criticized, repeatedly. Just trying to apply the logic, you know? Maybe it is LGE’s hair, maybe THAT explains my dislike for the man.
Just started on Kahneman and his System 1 and System 2 explanations. Perhaps that will shed some light into why people can develop contradictory gut feelings against factual or logical evidence, like 朝三暮四.
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HM, syd | Februari 20, 2013 at 6:28 pm
I hear you, Helen. But such is life – you can’t reason with unreasonableness. I thought IHNS has articulated your case well but the tenacious Harkis is still blind-sided.
It mirrors that of Hannah Yeoh who has no qualm in calling you and Joceline absurd; yet she is blind-sided by her own inappropriateness in using religion to further her power base.
I regret giving my vote to her at the previous election. The choice then was either her or Billi ‘dare to fail’ Lim. Pak Lah’s team was wrong and Billi looked like a kook. Who would have thought, a few years later, it’s Hannah Yeoh who is a kooky-poo. Well, live and learn..:-)
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MalayPrincess | Februari 10, 2013 at 4:15 pm
Selamat Menyambut Tahun Baru Cina kepada Kak Helen…enjoy ur holiday with loved ones…we all support you…
p/s: would you consider being a candidate for this coming GE? i think you can win big time. but personally, i think if you choose to join politic, Bebas would be the perfect party for you. No BN, No PR, we need another third neutral force for check and balance.
I think many readers misunderstood your political stance & motive in your writing, criticizing doesn’t mean hatred, complimenting not necessary love and liking.
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Helen Ang | Februari 10, 2013 at 10:41 pm
Thank you.
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harkis | Februari 16, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Does it means – NO Thank You? Usual NATO – no straight answer and answer like a poltician.
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MalaysianinNewYork | Februari 18, 2013 at 10:10 am
Yes, I support this Helen
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Anti Fake | Februari 16, 2013 at 7:22 pm
Hannah Yeoh is fighting corruption selectively.
Her chinky DAP eyes are blinded to the corruption by DAP’s dark side Ronnie Liew, Khalid Ibrahim, Azmin Ali, … Lim Guan Eng, Lim Kit Siang and Anwar IBrahim
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Helen Ang | Februari 16, 2013 at 7:33 pm
“Chinky” is :( word in this blog because the some Chinese are not only sensitive but also easily confused between the what is Indian and what is Chinese – like when they fill in the birth cert of their children They also reject that there is such a thing as “race”.
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Anti Fake | Februari 16, 2013 at 9:20 pm
We thought mentioning “chinky DAP” would be specific and not be viewed as sensitive.
Chinky can be complimentary you know …. Chinese and sexy slinky body.
But off course, those without slinky body would be sensitive.
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AK47 | Februari 17, 2013 at 11:41 pm
Don’t be conned. One doctor friend after working in Vancouver a lifetime, retired back to KL and another from Penang, returned after a lifetime in Hong Kong.
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AK47 | Februari 18, 2013 at 9:07 am
Don’t be conned. I thought she was wearing a Singapore Airlines uniform and no one noticed !
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kpanjang | Februari 18, 2013 at 2:40 pm
http://eusoon.blogspot.com/, more dirt on LGE
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AK47 | Februari 19, 2013 at 9:30 am
All Malaysians including the PKR and the PAS should reject the DAP as a foreign entity.
Lee Kuan Yew ruled Singapore 1959 to 2013 and built a cluster of hollow modern buildings. But 40% of the indigineous Singaporean disappeared and had to be replaced by rich Indiamen and Chinamen. In 2 generations the indigenious Singaporeans will be working as servants to these rich newcomers.
During the same period 1959 to 2013, the BN as led by the UMNO with 14 component parties created a truly Malaysian middle income group of 7.5 millions. Each family is a real or potential RM 1 Millionaire.
Lee Kuan Yew has the impeccable starred Double First Law degree from Cambridge and probably a Third Class at the Bar Finals London. The DAP leadership is just a dot in Lee Kuan Yew’s academic credentials. The DAP leadership can only do at least 10 times worse. We do not need them to rule over us. Go home to Daddy, DAP !
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asus | Februari 19, 2013 at 8:52 pm
AK47,
“Lee Kuan Yew ruled Singapore 1959 to 2013 and built a cluster of hollow modern buildings. But 40% of the indigineous Singaporean disappeared and had to be replaced by rich Indiamen and Chinamen. In 2 generations the indigenious Singaporeans will be working as servants to these rich newcomers.
During the same period 1959 to 2013, the BN as led by the UMNO with 14 component parties created a truly Malaysian middle income group of 7.5 millions. Each family is a real or potential RM 1 Millionaire.”
Please show us from where you get all these statistics.
Thanks.
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asus | Februari 20, 2013 at 3:08 pm
AK47,
Dude. I am requesting for statistics, i.e. from reliable sources. Not from your personal interpretation or self-devised formula. You said “Just count the number of semi-detached and detached houses in the taman-taman all over the country.” Have you done that yourself? What is the outcome of your findings? Is your findings approved by the authorities?
Otherwise, please let me know from where you quote these figures.
You may want to refer to this:-
http://www.epu.gov.my/c/document_library/get_file?uuid=2d9c3105-c9a0-4155-baf9-f737321e27f3&groupId=34492
(it says that 75.8% of the households in Malaysia earn less than RM5,000 per month)
http://www.statistics.gov.my/portal/images/stories/files/LatestReleases/banci/jadual3.pdf
(it says that the average number of members per household is between 3-4)
and
http://www.statistics.gov.my/portal/index.php?option=com_content&id=350:pre…&Itemid=&lang=bm
(it says that as of 2010, Malaysia has a population of 27,565,821 and 6,396,174 households)
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i hate n'sync | Februari 20, 2013 at 7:51 pm
Dear Asus,
The same EPU website you found will give you some answers. I will share the link below, but will highlight some developments in household income since 1970.
The average household monthly income for Malaysia was RM4,025 in 2009. At that time, top 20% of the households in Malaysia earns a mean monthly gross average of RM9,987. The middle 40% earns an average RM3,631 while the bottom 40% earns an average of RM1,440. There are urban and rural differences (as well as ethnic differences), but the biggest difference is sometimes within a group itself (see Gini Coeffifient), although overall it DID improve.
The Household Income Survey data clearly showed the rise of the middle income group since 1970 where 89.3% households earn less than RM500 per month. Yes, we are aware of the issue on inflation and loss of purchasing power, etc etc etc. However, it is evident that wealth CREATION and REDISTRIBUTION is happening. Johor, Melaka and Pulau Pinang narrowed their gap with Selangor. More Malays are now middle class, and more importantly, the Governments works hard at eradicating poverty.
http://www.epu.gov.my/household-income-poverty
http://www.epu.gov.my/c/document_library/get_file?uuid=e2b128f0-c6fb-4980-8a17-3f708fc3d7a8&groupId=34492
At least be fair and we cannot deny that under the stewardship of BN, all things did not go to hell as alleged.
EPF annual report will give us some clue as to the size of millionaires. As of 31st December 2011, there are 11,174 active members with more than RM1 million in their accounts. In that year, 39,460 active members have savings between RM500,001 to RM1 million, while 86,515 have savings between RM300,001 to RM500,000. That’s 137,149 active members of all ages with contribution savings of at least RM300,000. Who can reach a savings of that amount over say, 25 working years with 25% of their salary amount? We do a crude estimate and it comes up to folks who earn about RM4k per month. That’s the absolute MINIMUM. So if you earm RM4k a month for your ENTIRE working life (assuming 25 years), you will have at least RM300k in EPF, and that’s just deducting 11% of your salary.
http://www.kwsp.gov.my/pv_obj_cache/pv_obj_id_6447E4C9F7D06E974538189569ED84E6D3CF0700/filename/7.%20Statistik.pdf
So, we know that on average the top 20% and top 40% of households in Malaysia earn more than RM4k, give and take. We can do the maths better with home ownership data, but the original point of the debate is about creating a strong middle class. Personally, I believe the less the government interfere with the free market, the better for capitalism. However, since capitalism is not quite the silver bullet / perfect panacea, the government needs to continue to regulate and make life better for EVERYONE – not just the Chinese or the rich or the educated.
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harkis | Februari 21, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Glad to hear there is a great improvement in the income. So do we need moblie phone discount, bantuan malaysia, free school books and housing discount to higher earners? The money better spend on improving the nation’s educational and infrastructure facilities
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i hate n'sync | Februari 21, 2013 at 6:35 pm
Dear Harkis,
I am very glad that you mentioned those items in dispute. Lets see if I can respond to each on its own, very briefly.
3G smart phone voucher RM200 for young people earning less than RM3k – I think that’s a waste. It is clear who is being targeted here for votes. Personally, I see very little need to subsidize non-essential items and encourage the horrific consumer culture of waste with underutilized smartphones (or ipads for that matter). Grade: D
BR1M RM500 for low income households earning less thanRM3k – I think that is much better, as a one-off or annual rebate, permitted the public coffers are healthy. Singapore is doing the same, like Hongkong. Much better BR1M than the taxpayers’ money going elsewhere. The most direct form of occasional financial relief. Grade: A
BB1M Book voucher RM200 – RM250 – I think you must remember that school textbooks are free in public schools. This is really for purchase of books for STUDENTS (primary to tertiary). This is for academic books only, although I prefer that any book would do and NO MAGAZINES. This is also a very common form of tax rebate or incentive to encourage learning. Grade: A+ (caused I am biased when it comes to books)
PR1MA Housing for low income households and first time buyers – I don’t understand what you mean by “higher discount to higher earners”. Are you confusing this to the Bumiputera housing lot discounts? I think PR1MA is very relevant but I just think it is going to be limited in impact because of laws of scarcity and distribution. It does help, but not in a scale we would envision. Grade: B-
You seem to think that investing in infrastructure is the only option for taxpayers’ monies. I am inclined to think that we need to do more for civil society, i.e. investing in NGOs that service the masses so that the government can focus on regulatory roles, not provision ones. If you are concerned about public transport, hopes are high for the MRT, except the folks’ whose areas are affected. Imagine, when Star and Putra LRT first started, low ridership and the economic crisis in the late 1990s almost killed it. It survived via restructuring and now we have RapidKL. Many things are being done since the early 2000s, but how many of us take note of what is going on anyway, the effort it takes to fix public transport, the realignment of routes and systems? Rapid Penang started only in 2007 and LGE doesn’t seem to hesitate to claim credit in its Budget 2013. Who heard of SPNB anyway?
http://limguaneng.com/index.php/2012/11/02/ucapan-bajet-tahun-2013-negeri-pulau-pinang/
Just read it and do your maths and marvel at the pettiness of our Penang CM. Don’t even get me started on the RM100 per YEAR as “appreciation” of registered Penang senior citizen voters.
Btw, our problem with national education is not in the infrastructure but the software (people, syllabus and system), imho.
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Helen Ang | Februari 21, 2013 at 6:58 pm
IHNS,
If you express anything less than the greatest admiration for the YAB Ketua Menteri Pulau Pinang, the Dapsters will label you “Cina murtad”.
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bar | Februari 22, 2013 at 1:53 pm
i hate n’sync,
Allow me to share my views (in bracket) on your opinion:-
1. BR1M RM500 for low income households earning less thanRM3k – I think that is much better, as a one-off or annual rebate, permitted the public coffers are healthy. Singapore is doing the same, like Hongkong. Much better BR1M than the taxpayers’ money going elsewhere. The most direct form of occasional financial relief. Grade: A
(With due respect, our national debt is already near the threshold of 55% of annual GDP. The debt has doubled since Najib took over and our annual Budget has recorded a 14 consecutive years. If we can call the state of our national coffer as healthy based on these figures, then what do we call countries that have surplus budget and debts lower than 10%?) – Disagree with your grade.
2. BB1M Book voucher RM200 – RM250 – I think you must remember that school textbooks are free in public schools. This is really for purchase of books for STUDENTS (primary to tertiary). This is for academic books only, although I prefer that any book would do and NO MAGAZINES. This is also a very common form of tax rebate or incentive to encourage learning. Grade: A+ (caused I am biased when it comes to books)
(The voucher can be used to purchase any books and stationary in the bookstore. There is no way the bookshop can determine whether or not a book selected by a student is meant for academic purpose or otherwise.) – Agree
3. PR1MA Housing for low income households and first time buyers – I don’t understand what you mean by “higher discount to higher earners”. Are you confusing this to the Bumiputera housing lot discounts? I think PR1MA is very relevant but I just think it is going to be limited in impact because of laws of scarcity and distribution. It does help, but not in a scale we would envision. Grade: B-
(The government should have emulated the HDB system of Singapore where 80% of the citizens stayed in HDB units. Malaysia is never short of land for property development. But the government prefers to outsource the duty of social housing to private developers. Hence, the duty became private housing. Any empty lands were sold to private developers that turn them into expensive development. PR1MA housing came a little too late. Wish it could come earlier and the locations of houses will be nearer to city center. Prime land in good locations are all taken up by private developers.) – Agree
Thanks.
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i hate n'sync | Februari 22, 2013 at 6:14 pm
Dear Bar,
I am sorry, you are again confusing the issue of BR1M with the supposed national debt. I wasn’t aware that the country is in recession. And I thought BR1M would be even more important in a recession.
I have no intention to go on and on about the national debt. I had it with people who don’t understand what it is all about. I don’t want to have to talk about capital formation, economic growth, inflation and its relationship to development. For your level of understanding, all I can say is that your 10% debt criteria would only enable direct cash transfers in Brunei, Oman, Estonia, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Guinea, and Iran (Algeria and Azerbaijan if you want). I do not imply that we shouldn’t keep our debt ratio to GDP low (fiscal prudence), I just think that it is not that big a deal as long as we are growing economically. According to IMF, Singapore and Hongkong’s gross debt is 93.5% and 33.8% of their GDP. So? Finland’s is 50.2%, Switzerland’s 52.4% and Kenya is 55.2%. Your point again?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_future_gross_government_debt
We need to change the tax base, that’s for sure, but how many people can agree or disagree to GST without thinking along political lines?
As for the issue of budget surplus or deficit, take a good look at the following link. Only 24 countries out of over 200 countries record a budget surplus (which in cludes your 93% gross government debt to GDP Singapore). It is rare for any country to have consistent budget surplus unless it is deliberately done so. In fact, you need to have some basic understanding on how fiscal policies work.
Expansionary policies may result in a budget deficit, and contractionary policies can result in a budget surplus. What we need to watch for really, is the inflation. Currently, Malaysia’s economy is kept chugging by government spending, but is it overheating? I believe we have people in MoF and Bank Negara who is paid to keep track of such matters, and trust me, any government who wants to stay in office will do their damndest to ensure continued economic growth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_government_budgets_by_country
BB1M allows stationery purchase of up to 10% of the total voucher value (or RM20). The bookstores can decide what are academic books, they just think it is much better for business to allow all types of purchases and our government didn’t enforce that point.
As for your HDB idea, I think you are insane. Why should Malaysians emulate to put 80% of our people in HDBs? It is a matter of market forces, the poor WILL be crowded out of more developed / affluent areas. I didn’t say that is right, I said that is only natural as the law of economics. The more government interferes with market forces, the harder it gets to restore the equilibrium. If you expect the government to develop homes, it will take a long, long time to complete, not to mention shoddy workmanship. At least with private companies, they have got the monetary incentive to build and finish on time! Expecting the government to build more homes for everyone is typical of the average Malaysian whiners.
When something gets expensive, we always want the government to subsidize or bail us out. I have heard so much of the so called expensive health care costs. Hello? You want it cheap you go to government hospitals and clinics lah. Too big of a crowd and long queue? What do you expect, you want it free and you want it now as your lordship likes it? Bukak klinik bapa you sendiri-lah.
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AK47 | Februari 19, 2013 at 2:24 pm
DAP is Daddy’s Action Party !
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AK47 | Februari 20, 2013 at 9:24 am
asas. Just count the number of semi-detached and detached houses in the taman-taman all over the country. Plus you go and look at the EPF annual report. A household with 2 cars means 2 working persons living in a dwelling contributing to the EPF. If this household is not a millionaire household at the age of 30 years, it will be at the age of 55 years. Go and check !
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AK47 | Februari 20, 2013 at 9:35 am
Asas. A person in this country who has RM 300,000 cash is a millionaire. He or she can invests RM300,000 into shares with RM100,000 cash, buy a RM300,000 house with RM100,000 cash and buy a car worth RM300,000 with RM100,000. You control RM 1 Million worth of assets. The new car purchase is not recommended. To double your money is a question of timing and allocation of your assets. Everyone can do. OK ? This was what the BN as lead by the UMNO with 14 component parties gave you the opportunity to make good since 1957 ! Vote BN ! No need monopoly or be a crony !
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AK47 | Februari 20, 2013 at 1:56 pm
asas. With my proposed formula, anyone can start making money even with RM10,000. It is only timing and the allocation of funds. No need to be a crony or monopolist.
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AK47 | Februari 22, 2013 at 9:32 am
asas. Do you own homework lazy brain dud !
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AK47 | Februari 22, 2013 at 9:36 am
asas. The figures you furnished are biased and twisted. I am talking cheese and you talk chalk 1 Dud !
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AK47 | Februari 22, 2013 at 9:37 am
asas. I lived in that place where you came from. Dud!
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asus | Februari 22, 2013 at 11:36 am
AK47,
Let me get it straight:-
1. You said “During the same period 1959 to 2013, the BN as led by the UMNO with 14 component parties created a truly Malaysian middle income group of 7.5 millions. Each family is a real or potential RM 1 Millionaire.”
From where you get the data? What is the definition of ‘middle income’ in Malaysia? From where you get the figure of 7.5 millions? Your ’7.5 million’ refers to individual or household? Please clarify and cite the source.
2. You said “The figures you furnished are biased and twisted.”
Please be reminded that those are official government statistics. Unless you can prove ‘biased and twisted’, those information are valid.
3. You said “I am talking cheese and you talk chalk”.
Fine. I could have misunderstand your point. I concede that I am not an economist. So, please refer to point (1) above and quote your sources so that I can check.
i hate n’sync,
Many thanks for the long reply. Could you please assist on the issue raised above, i.e. point (1)? I seriously doubt that we have 7.5 million middle income individuals in Malaysia.
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i hate n'sync | Februari 22, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Usually, the definition of middle income refers to households in the middle quintile of the income distribution. If the middle 40% earns an average RM3,631 per month (as per EPU’s data, you can roughly estimate how many people can be considered as middle class (if you accept the definition).
Alternatively, you can pick a narrower bandwidth. Let’s say you think households with a monthly income of RM5000 to RM10,000 can be considered middle class. According to the same HIS report (DOSM see link below), 18.2% of the total households in Malaysia have a monthly income between RM5,000 to RM9,999. That translates to about 1 million households or over 4 million individuals (based on a average household size of 4).
http://www.statistics.gov.my/portal/download_household/files/household/2009/Jadual1.pdf
Fact is 24.1% of households earn RM5000 and above in a month. That is easily 6 millions individuals from middle class families and over, perhaps less since we know rich people have less kids.
It all depends where you draw the line for “middle income”.
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AK47 | Februari 22, 2013 at 10:03 am
asas. See how the meritocratic pyramid of Singapore with Lee Kuan Yew at the top crumbled. Silly. Meritocracy excludes literally 99% of the population. A recent Ministerial announcement states that now a Singaporean’s ability should not be limited to academic qualifications alone.(after Singapore’s experience with Lee Kuan Yew’s impeccable academic credentials). ha ! ha ! ha ! Dud !
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m16 | Februari 22, 2013 at 12:09 pm
ak47,
Are you trying to suggest that Malaysia is better off than Singapore?
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AK47 | Februari 22, 2013 at 2:04 pm
m16. Yes ! Malaysia is a runaway success in human terms and Singapore is a runaway failure.
Have you ever seen a group of indigenous people demonstrating against their own Government’s White Paper on Population ? And have you, seen a Government telling its own electorate that they disappear to 25% in 2 generations. This is the biggest joke of 2013 and no one seems to notice in the fantasy island of meritocracy.
The opportunities for Singaporeans to make good in Singapore had long since gone. There are still many many opportunities to improve your life-style in Malaysia. All are welcome including Singaporeans. The important point to remember is that you do your own Malaysian thing. Do not ape Singapore and all those huge tomes on Wall Street.
I knew a remisier. Before the Bursa opens at 9 am, he would scrutinize what happened on Wall Street the night before and talk like those speakerines on CNBC. As soon as the Bursa opens, he would be rigging the shares. See how stupid he is ! How can Wall Street affect his rigged shares ? Of course, he never made any money ! He did’nt know what he was doing !
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AK47 | Februari 22, 2013 at 6:36 pm
m16. You are living and working in one of the best countries in the World ! You walk through this Malaysia only once in a lifetime. See how silly a statement by a Singaporean Minister recently. ‘ A person’s ability should not be based on his/her academic qualifications alone !’ Hey! Hey! Hey! Why not tell the Singaporeans 2 generations ago ? In 2013, now the opportunities are in the hands of the billionaires or are all gone for the average Singaporeans ! Welcome to Malaysia, all Singaporeans !
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m16 | Februari 22, 2013 at 9:58 pm
ak47,
Whether a country is better than another, we have established parameters which can be used. Let us not propound individual or self-devised arguments in our exchange of ideas. Universally accepted criteria such as GDP, income per capita, FDI inflow, corruption index etc have clearly show that Singapore is better than Malaysia. Nevertheless, I would like to share some points here:-
1. The ranking of universities.
Singapore universities are consistently ranked highly in the Times University Ranking every year. NUS and NTU are among the world’s top institutions. Whereas in Malaysia, local universities such as UM, UKM, UPM etc are ranked at the bottom of the list or sometimes, not even ranked at all. UM and NUS were once the same institution until Malaya and Singapore separated. Why such a huge disparity in term of quality nowadays? We have thousands of Malaysian students that study in Singapore right from the primary level until the university level. In contrast, do we have Singaporeans that study in our Malaysian education system?
2. Currency exchange.
Similarly, we have thousands of Malaysians that work in Singapore and earn in Singaporean dollar. Their earnings when converted into RM will elevate them into the middle to high income earners in the Malaysian context. Have you seen any Singaporeans that come to Malaysia for the same purpose?
3. Foreign population.
The policy of Singapore is to attract foreigners who are wealthy and highly educated. Locals are compelled to compete with these foreigners and the result is Singapore has become a highly competitive nation. Our government in Malaysia also attract foreigners. Unfortunately, they came from third world countries like Indonesia, Bangladesh etc. They are doing menial and low end jobs at mamak restaurant, factories and plantations with low pay. These jobs are usually shun by the locals. As such, there is no direct competition between the foreigners and Malaysians for jobs. That is why the productivity level of Malaysia is lower than Singapore and it has caused us to lose the competitive advantage.
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AK47 | Februari 23, 2013 at 2:10 am
m16. I agree with your points to gauge a country which are academic. But I have my own gauge how to judge a country’s success or failure. My 3 Golden Attributes to be a Prime Minister :-
1. Commonsense.
2. The Ability to Think out of the Box.
3. Compassion.
From my observations since 1951, Lee Kuan Yew failed all 3.
But Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad had too much compassion.
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AK47 | Februari 23, 2013 at 2:23 am
m16. By having a meritocratic pyramid which produced all those wonderful statistics which misled him and his obsession with the money and sexual peccadilloes of Malaysians etc. Lee Kuan Yew performed to the applause of the international audience for over 55 years forgetting the plight of his own constituents. From October 2008 till now is the pay-off time. I refer you to the daily flatteries in the internation media before October 2008 and the book, ‘The Failure of Genius’ 1993.
I have been an observer of the good and the great on both sides of the Causeway
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AK47 | Februari 23, 2013 at 2:35 am
m16. 1) On the ranking of the universities, this is not an indication of anything. Look at UK – phone hacking, corrupt policemen, horseburger, child abuse, corrupt pols, mismanaged hospitals and NHS,etc.They have Cambridge, Oxford and much more. 2) Currency- Singapore is a financial centre. A weak currency and no 900,000 reservists keep depositors away, Trying to ape the Swiss. Malaysia is an exporting nation, a strong currency kill us. However, 1972-1982, RM1 = SDlr 1.03
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AK47 | Februari 23, 2013 at 2:39 am
m16. 3) Foreigners. In 1982, the history fellow of Jesus College, Cambridge told me that when I see more and more foreigners inhabiting a country or a city like ancient Rome, one could be fairly certain that this illustrates the fall of a nation. 2013, Singapore 62% local. 38% foreign. 2030. 50% local. 50% foreign. In practice, 30% local. 70% foreign. This is what I call commonsense and the ability to think out of a Box !