“Malaysian Insider is again driving a wedge between Muslims and non Muslims and creating hatred against the Islamic authorities and distorting facts,” wrote blogger Ellese last year on 18 April 2014.
TMI said:
“Hours after the death of Karpal Singh, Muslims were told by the National Fatwa Council today they were not encouraged to use the phrase ‘Rest in Peace’ (RIP) to a non-Muslim because the term had Christian connotations.”
“This is a blatant lie to incite unjustified hatred,” said Ellese. “They purposely gave a false impression that the majlis fatwa is somewhat targeting against those wishing farewell for Karpal. Really blatant lie.”
Please remember that TMI does this kind of thing (as their agenda) ALL THE TIME. They’ve got the worst track record among all the Malaysia media for fitnah and they’ve been getting away with it for far too long.
Updated: 30 March 2015
Original headline & copy below:
Wisma Putra must censure Australian media on its slander of Fatwa Council
Articles in the Sydney Morning Herald and its sister paper The Age today claim that Malaysia’s fatwa council does not allow ‘Rest in peace’ to be said for Karpal Singh.
The two Australian papers also said that the council’s statement had come “at a time of mourning over Mr Karpal’s death”.
NOTE: The Australian papers removed the article following a complaint by Ellese
According to blogger Ellese who revealed the truth of this matter, what there is is a Q & A column featured in the e-fatwa website that answers queries from members of the public.
The details quoted by Murdoch are extracted from this Q & A column which was published on 12 Dec 2013 (see screenshot below, double click to enlarge).
Given its date of publication more than four months ago, the hukum clearly has nothing to do with the DAP former chairman’s sudden demise a couple of days ago. As such, the accusation by both Australian papers that the Malaysian Islamic council “does not allow RIP to be said for Karpal Singh” is off mark.
An unnamed Jakim official providing guidance on the use of RIP by Muslims in Malaysia does not equate an official fatwa which is one that has to be gazetted to have the force of law.
A fatwa is a serious matter determined by the council muzakarah when commanded by the Yang di-Pertuan Agong or over a issue of public importance raised by the Mufti(s). Note that there is no name, belonging to any of the Malaysian state muftis, attached to the December 2013 hukum RIP article which carries no byline. (Therefore it is not a fatwa.)
It is further mischievous for Murdoch and his papers to imply that our religious authorities somehow imposed this RIP prohibition in direct response to the deceased because Karpal was a “high-profile opposition figure” who has “paid a heavy price for speaking out against his country’s ruling party and defending human rights”.
Tajudin Ramli looking at the half-page apology from TMI published in the NST
The Malaysian Insider
Original source of the anti-establishment spin
The Malaysian Insider in its original article reported with the sensational opening paragraph that screamed:
“Hours after the death of Karpal Singh, Muslims were told by the National Fatwa Council today they were not encouraged to use the phrase “Rest in Peace” (RIP) to a non-Muslim because the term had Christian connotations.”
A screenshot of the TMI article, aggregated by MSN News, is cached at the bottom of this page.
The Malaysian Insider(TMI) is legendary for some of its deliberate misrepresentation. Its bad reputation precedes it and Lindsay Murdoch has been remiss in the discharge of his journalistic duty to have picked up his story lead from the sleazy ‘news’ portal to begin with.
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ABOVE: An earlier apology to Tajudin published in the NST
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A malicious spinmaster.
TMI is notorious for its malice, its countless “apologizes” to prominent personalities (among them Mukhriz Mahathir and Dr Mahathir Mohamad) and being slapped with a RM200 million libel suit by tycoon Tajudin Ramli aside from many complaints about its moderators removing certain pro-government readers’ comments as well as countless complaints with regard to its agenda-driven censorship of pro-BN reader feedback.
In fact, TMI created local journalism history by having once had to issue FOUR! apologizes in the space of a little over a week.
Below is a screenshot of the relevant TMI page as it appears currently. You can see that the original story was uploaded on 17 April 2014 and subsequently updated at 2.04 pm today.
There is an editor’s note saying “A previous version of this report implied that the fatwa was issued following the death of Karpal Singh. This has now been corrected.”
Rightly taking TMI to task for “distorting facts”, blogger Ellese – who had been the first to expose the portal’s sleight of hand – said: “They purposely gave a false impression that the majlis fatwa is somewhat targeting against those wishing farewell for Karpal. Really blatant lie”.
Ellese also highlighted how TMI provided a ‘fatwa’ link that did not lead to the [purported] content it had cited. I too have also personally caught TMI turning the identical dirty trick once before on another topic.
Ellese added that TMI is “unethical” and “purposely misleads to create hatred”. Ellese is absolutely right. Legions of political bloggers share this view and TMI has been called out many times before in Malay blogosphere by numerous bloggers.
Even after the brazen Malaysian Insider editor(s) were caught lying, they buat tak tahu. So sneaky!
Correct Ellese. TMI explicitly said, “Hours after the death of Karpal Singh, Muslims were told by the National Fatwa Council today they were not encouraged to use the phrase “Rest in Peace” (RIP) to a non-Muslim because the term had Christian connotations.”
On this one, TMI is mucking around with a very high and powerful federal religious authority comprising state muftis, who are reps of the Sultans. The council has 3 Tan Sris, 12 Datuks, 7 Professors and a handful of PhDs in their ranks.
Some of them are battle-hardened, such as Perak Mufti Harussani Zakaria, and won’t take the TMI‘s rubbish lying down.
Just like the Dapsters, TMI the pro-Christian portal only bullies guys (like their reader-commenters, independent bloggers, and those who are targets/victims of the evangelista hatchet job) who are smaller than them.
The National Fatwa Council which is under Jakim which is under JPM is not the usual small fish that the bully boys of TMI can easily fry.
I believe that TMI has met its sepandai-pandainya tupai melompat moment.
Tq Helen for updating the changes made. Tmi is too much.
TMI will be meeting its match in the National Fatwa Council. And the thing about real power is that they speak softly but carry a big stick.
The council has got the Sultans behind them. The rulers are not like political operatives who have to shout to be heard above the din. The rulers will just berdehem in the right ears.
Meanwhile in the fisticuffs public arena, TMI has already got the Umno bloggers on their tail. Now they will get the Muslim NGOs too.
Itulah, TMI has the same traits as their kiblat (KJ). Biting off more than they can chew thinking that just because they have successfully bullied powerless small fry, the big fish will be just as easy game.
I truly hope so.
‘The rulers will just berdehem in the right ears.’
Very classy Helen. Haha, I like!
… Intentionally written… Apol.
Ellese , Helen… great work girls but you know how this all will end up.. another apology and thats it TMI will be scot free.. again and again. Thanx to our ball-ess people in charge.
Still , you girls keep up the good work.
It is time for tmi to realise that they are a bane to the country on many issues that they had sensationalise in their reporting. Without a doubt, it is intentional and therefore it is without a doubt that the people behind are unscrupulous and are out to belittle the country but more so the umno and the muslim community.
Such uneducated and low lives running tmi. A bunch of morons. To them i say tough s###.
They do not realise that the bigger population in malaysia love this country despite its shortcomings. We have lived here for the past 58 years and still would not trade this country for anything or anyone in the world. Long live Raja2 Melayu, the BN government, the Fatwa Council, the rakyat who love Malaysia.
re: “the people behind [TMI] are unscrupulous”
Very, very, very.
“the people behind [TMI] are unscrupulous”
LOW LIFE SCUMS!!!
the majority love BN Gomen? fazilla deeeeeen you must be dreaming. ? hang buat lawak………..
Mohamad adel,
Typical lawak from u, a bully!!! Hang baca btol2 fazila punyer post, no mention of “majority love BN’. She’s entitled to her own opinion n wish for a ‘long live kerajaan BN’
Mohamad Adel, now pls take into your lawak, the ludicrous oppo who keep on shouting, ‘the Rakyat’/Malaysian demand this n that’ … As if they represent all… Sudah lah… Got only 50.8% popular votes n also kebas the 2% ind/rosak, to chanang 2 de world that they garner 53% then pandai2 say they represent Rakyat, duhhh!!!
re: “also kebas the 2% ind/rosak”
ROTFL.
They be evangelistas. They’re as sneaky as they come.
I’m pretty sure Mohamad adel was never a ‘mohamad’ to begin with!
47 versus 51. 47 is the majority.
That is Barisan-style mathematics.
Hi,
At last, someone can see clearly that this issue is played by TMI just to stir things up!!!
Kudos to u!!!!
I’m sad to see how so many people were fooled by them regardless whether u r a so-called educated
person or not.
Moral of the story:
Never ever just read an article (from any source) & make your judgement blindly without doing a more in-depth research from various resources. You have to think clearly before you express your personal feeling in social media coz it’ll definitely stir-up things more.
I wish I can share this brilliant article
especially with my friends that were being blinded by that irresponsible article.
Thank you :)
‘I’m sad to see how so many people were fooled by them ‘
Anne, in this day and age, if you (TMI’s reading crowds) are stupid, it is by your own design. Don’t be sorry Anne, these nothing you can do to help those morons!
Dear Aunty Helen,
KJ should tell Malaysian Insider and The Sydney Morning Herald to shut up because Malaysian Insider and The Sydney Morning Herald do not have the rights to criticize or condemn the Majlis Fatwa.
If the writer of Malaysian Insider’s article is a Muslim, he must respect and listen to the Majlis Fatwa and not write an article to make people who do not understand Islam or the haters of Islam condemn Islam as they wrote in their comments.
The Sydney Herald’s writer has no rights to interfere in other people’s religion and other country’s internal affairs. He must not write about things that he does not understand.
Aunty Helen said that KJ is a Dapster, so is that why KJ did not tell them to shut up like how he tell Uncle Zul to shut up? Because Dapsters support people who fight against Islam, the fighters of Islam and BN.
I believe KJ and his kakis should be ashamed of their antics, especially after reading this commentary by a bright young kid.
‘The Sydney Herald’s writer has no rights to interfere in other people’s religion and other country’s internal affairs. He must not write about things that he does not understand.’
The keturunan banduan with his white man’s burden thinking cap, must be thinking that he is doing the world a favor by educating the Brownies!
I had a chance meeting with somebody very close to kj and guess what i told him to tell kj. ‘ get rid of regina’ .
I will continue to that, failing which kj has to vacate his position.
“The Sydney Herald’s writer has no rights to interfere in other people’s religion and other country’s internal affairs. He must not write about things that he does not understand.”
He is not commenting. He is merely reporting.
I hope you can learn the difference.
Dear AC-DC,
Responsible reporters must check their facts before writing. They should not just write what they like and think is right.
And I don’t think it’s a good idea for the Sydney Morning Herald to pick up news from Malaysian Insider without checking e-fatwa’s website.
The statement about R.I.P. was made in December 2013 and has nothing to do with Karpal’s; please read the screenshot of Murdoch’s article in Sydney Morning Herald above.
re: “He is not commenting. He is merely reporting. I hope you can learn the difference?”
I said,” He must not write about things that he does not understand.”
So he must check the facts before reporting.
“Responsible reporters must check their facts before writing. They should not just write what they like and think is right. ”
You mean like when Helen stated that 90% of young Chinese in Malaysia are Evangelical Christians? Wonder if she got that statistic from Utusan? Wouldn’t surprise me.
How about this statement from the link below from ISMA re Chinese using Christianity to destabilise Malaysia. Looks like they have been reading Helen’s blog, as they have not backed their statements with any facts whatsoever. But this two faced and hypocritical police force obviously let them get away with it, while they arrest opposition members on a daily basis for sttatements not half as seditious as ISMA’s. Note that Eric Paulsen etc were immediately summoned when they questioned Islamic and Government organisations.
Double standards? You bet you. But I don’t expect most of the BN loving hypocrites on this blog to recognise this.
re: “You mean like when Helen stated that 90% of young Chinese in Malaysia are Evangelical Christians?”
Where did I ever say that ” 90%” of young Chinese in Malaysia are evangelistas?
Check your facts before writing.
Sudesh,
In your previous comment @ 2015/03/20 at 10:35 pm, you wrote that you’re a “practicing Christian”.
Does the Bible teach you to lie and spread false rumours?
Forgive me for my mistake. You are right, you did not say 90% (I confused the 9 out of 10 Chinese vote for the Dapster statement), but you did say most young Chinese are Christian. Again, my original statement stands. How did you come to the conclusion that most young Chinese are Christian? Isn’t this irresponsible reporting and reporting without facts to incite tension?
re: ……. Most young Chinese in Malaysia are Christian
Helen, in your article “https://helenang.wordpress.com/2015/03/05/most-young-chinese-in-malaysia-are-christian/”, you claimed that “Most young Chinese in Malaysia are Christian”. How you arrived at the conclusion? What is your basis?
Sah Lindsay Murdoch is a lazy copy and paste journalist. Ataupun duk tengah minum arak, kepala tengah sewel excited terus tweet berita kat pejabat dia.
Pemberita macam ni senang aje.. Jemput dia pi dinner, serve 400gm lobster and satu botol wine… (elok wakilkan staff yg boleh minum arak dan mabuk dgn dia) apa berita you nak dia hebohkan sure dia akan keluarkan. Tak tipu ya, dulu mcam ni le boss sya takle the foreign media people.
So, after all this debate, is the picture any clearer?
– can a Muslim say or write “Rest In Peace” when referring to a non-Muslim who has passed away?
– if he or she can’t, why?
And what’s this crap about saying that outsiders cannot comment on Malaysian domestic issues? I seem to recall that Dr Mahathir, for instance, had no qualms about commenting on stuff happening in other countries?
Are these “defenders” of things Malaysian afraid that they don’t have the intellectual nous or the language fluency to rebut the views of these outsiders?
And another thing – the use of the term “evangelistas” is getting to be tiresome, passe and a hackneyed cliche, beloved by those who have a bee in the bonnet or an irrational fascination with the Christian religion and how it has the power to cozen, delude, mislead or seduce the simple-minded into grave errors that would imperil their immortal souls.
The Almighty must be throwing up His Hands in despair!
re: “And another thing – the use of the term “evangelistas” is getting to be tiresome, passe and a hackneyed cliche”
The evangelistas are tiresome people. We’re sick and tired of their posturing.
Their “love thy neighbour” bullshit is passe b’cos, really, they’re the kind of people who take their dogs out to poop on the patch of grass outside someone else’s home.
Hackneyed cliche: “We’re meek and mild and peace-loving and harmless.”
I would riposte that the Perkasaites are also “tiresome people” and that “we’re sick and tired of their posturing”.
So, too, all those who purport to uphold the “dignity” of “race and religion”.
Thankfully, these people can only get to lord it in Malaysia.
Put them outside the country and they will be reduced to craven and snivelling silence.
Why? Because their agendas and positions are indefensible!
As witness this blog. Helen – why don’t you go and mix it up with the Australian media who, in your opinion, have perpetrated these calumnies and falsehoods?
Could the simple answer be that you are afraid to do so?
‘uphold the “dignity” of “race and religion”.’
Brader, you end up at the wrong place. We do it seriously here. I suggest you pack up and leave. Or is there any chance that you are no longer in the country and this is suppose to be your outside looking in two cents?
In my view, RIP is not well advised to be used by Muslim not just becoz it connotes Christianity. Amongst others, it is inappropriate in wishing something that you should believe to be otherwise, based on our own religion.
Kinda hipocrite, no? As a Muslim, on one hand, u believe something (or suppose/seems to) but on the other hand, u said otherwise! So, plz, don’t be a hipocrite as widely seen in Malaysia politics esp as Helen puts it, the evangelistas.
For me, to take in the sensitivities, just be silent or use other wishes that are inline with Islamic teachings. Unless, deep down, u don’t believe the Islamic teaching, then that’s the problem la! Hence the fatwa to guide (n should not be convulatedly connected/spinned to the late KS’s death) but it’s still ur own choice… own choice, own consequences….
Btw, enuff said, I am so fed up with all these hipocrites
In all of my nearly 70 years of age, has ever heard that The Almighty has hands, ha! ha! funny, funny. You must be a big time joker…..ha..ha…
In my view, RIP is not well advised to be used by Muslim not just becoz it connotes Christianity. Amongst others, it is inappropriate in wishing something that you should believe tobe otherwise, based on our own religion.
Kinda hipocrite, no? As a Muslim, on one hand, u believe something (or suppose/seems to) but on the other hand, u said otherwise! So, plz, don’t be a hipocrite as widely seen in Malaysia politics esp as Helen puts it, the evangelistas.
For me, to take in the sensitivities, just be silent or use other wishes that are inline with Islamic teachings. Unless, deep down, u don’t believe the Islamic teaching, then that’s the problem la! Hence the fatwa to guide (n should not be convulatedly connected/spinned to the late KS’s death) but it’s still ur own choice…own choice, own consequences….
Btw, nuff said… I am so fed up with all these hypocrites!
Don’t think fatwas are taken seriously to begin with. There is a fatwa stating that smoking is haram. Ada siapa ambik pot?
The advice against Muslims saying RIP was taken seriously enough to be published by two very established Aussie papers.
TMI was deliberately inciting, and the damage has been done. The misrepresentation has been spread and the negative impression created.
As Ellese has pointed out, even the Editor’s Note is a lie. It said that TMI “implied” the fatwa was given a few hours following, and in response to Karpal’s demise.
It wasn’t just “implied”. It was explicitly stated. TMI is a proven shit-stirrer.
Serves the government right for letting TMI do as they please.
Perhaps Zahid should give them an award as well?
Perhaps the gomen of the day has been closing one eye to TMI b’cos the political victims have been Mukhriz, Dr Mahathir and ‘that’ camp?
In which case, continuing to allow TMI a free rein is to let a double-edged sword continue its scything. The Najib administration itself will eventually be cut and it will bleed. Memang padan muka.
Those who participate in familial dissensions, will cringe when the brigands bring down their front door.
There is another recent advisory saying that Muslim males should not get pompadour haircuts as they should not follow the styles of Christians and Jews.
“An unnamed Jakim official providing guidance on the use of RIP by Muslims in Malaysia does not equate an official fatwa which is one that has to be gazetted to have the force of law.”
I have read that Australian news article. In no place in the article does it say that an edict or official fatwa was declared.
“A malicious spinmaster”
We should read and obey the edicts of the Ministry of Truth through its organs such as Utusan, and the shadowy bloggers that use photographs of a chess player as a molest victim.
The RIP statement made by the Fatwa Council, is that an opinion or an edict? If opinion, is it binding on the Muslims?
I’m made to understand that a fatwa has to come from the council.
The RIP advisory has no ‘name’ (authority) attached to it.
‘The council has got the Sultans behind them. The rulers are not like political operatives who have to shout to be heard above the din. The rulers will just berdehem in the right ears.’
Helen, inikalilah, TMI sudah kena…depa ingat dengan fitnah majlis fatwa depa terlepas so depa boleh test water dengan the Raja-Raja behind the majlis pula…kan dah sangkut…cipan punya TMI…hope depa punya lesen pun kena tarik sekali dan dia punya taukey kasi jail…
Congrats! Pandai pandai TMI melompat jatuh ke tanah juga.
Bila pula Utusan akan jatuh ke tanah? Setakat ini, Utusan hanya kalah kes mahkamah dan bayar ganti rugi. Pihak berkuasa masih belum ambil tindakan seperti mana tindakan diambil ke atas TMI.
Utusan tak menipu rakyat Malaysia dengan menfitnah Majlis Raja-Raja-dengan mempermainkan isu Islam.
Itu Perlembagaan Persekutuan cakap tak boleh menghasut maa ini perkara!
Utusan Malaysia gives one of the most balanced, perceptive, objective and honest coverage on what is happening in Malaysia, especially as regards the lot and future of the Malays and Muslims of this country.
Andaikan anda betul mengenai Utusan iaitu tidak menulis berita berunsur hasutan terhadap MRR atau Islam, maka tiada tindakan polis menurut Akta Hasutan.
Macam mana pula dengan berita yang disiarkan Utusan yang berciri fitnah, bohong dan perkauman? Berita ini tidak begitu serius berbanding hasutan, tetapi tindakan masih boleh diambil di bawah undang-undang yang lain seperti Kanun Keseksaan atau Akta Multimedia. Adakah polis mengambil tindakan sedemikian terhadap Utusan?
Bagi contoh boleh?
Helen,
While you cheer that ‘TMI sudah kena’ for being investigated, why you never advocate the same to be ‘kena’ on Utusan and other personalities like Ridhuan Tee, Ibrahim Ali, Zaik, Zul Nordin etc for sedition?
TMI is dajjal.
Utusan is not dajjal.
What is dajjal? How about Ridhuan Tee, Ibrahim Ali, Zul Nordin etc? BTW, Zaik already got a sedition case against him.
Dajjal is TMI.
At the end of times, Dajjal or the Anti-Christ, with his great powers will terrorize the Lord’s faithful on the earth … but eventually Jesus Christ will slay with his sword the Dajjal who colludes with the deviant trinitarian Christianity of Paul of Tarsus:
The present Christian Bible is Paul’s “salvation by the blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ, God made flesh” dogma:
[YouTube]
The Historical Jesus and his true teachings to humanity:
[YouTube]
Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim
People who claim that the trinitarian God is not found in the Bible are clearly biased and have no idea what they are talking about. Quite often, these people are Muslims as it doesn’t fit in with what the Prophet revealed. But having studied the Bible in depth, it’s ludicrous to question the validity of the Trinity when it’s there to be found in both the Old and the New Testaments. I suggest Muslims should educate themselves on Christianity by studying the Bible, not just the Quran before making such uneducated and false statements about a religion that they know very little about.
Don’t make yourself a laughing stock if you ain’t got it, sonny.
I think you should heed your own advice. Millions of brilliant Catholic, Christian and lay scholars throughout the centuries have had no issues with the trinitarian concept of God, based on Christian tradition and scripture. Just because it doesn’t fit into the Islamic belief, many Muslims will go to great lengths to make things up to suit their false view of the Christian God. Muslims are clearly the the ones that most people laugh at re this issue.
Wah Lao! Millions of Christian scholars ah! Come from where?
Look sonny, let me ask you a fitting question about false views: 11 + 11 = ?
Fine. Whatever ‘dajjal’ may mean. So are you saying Utusan is not dajjal, hence no action needs to be taken by the authorities despite the seditious nature of some of its news?
Through his writings and by looking at his facial features, Ridhuan Tee is one true Muslim and patriot.
Does it mean that a ‘true Muslim and patriot’ is free to make seditious and offensive statements?
He is talking about the greatest 5000 years of civilizations. Be proud bnm. Be proud.
Macam mana Zulkifli Sulong boleh join TMI. Berniaga di pasar malam lagi baik.
ABU for Putrajaya!!!
A clear case of double standards. While actions are taken against TMI by the authorities, why no such action taken against mainstream media owned by BN like Utusan?
lu tau baca ka tatau???
Baca apa?
Any honest journalism student, anywhere in the world, can see that TMI is off the rockers.
This morning the real culprits (Ho & Jahabar) were arrested. While no doubt coming down hard on MI is the right move and should be applauded, I think this only shows the weakness in the BN govt’s response to the cyber attacks by PR and pro-PR media.
MCMC should have acted on MI,MKini, etc long time ago for their blatant disregards to truth and even complying with the most basic journalistic ethics and standards.
Now that the Police had acted under the Sedition Act, this will no doubt seized by PR and their foreign buddies as another example of BN’s repressive rule.
CIJ, another PR lap dog, claims that the arrest is an assault on rule of law. I wonder what law they are referring too, may be the UK or the American ones. Certainly Sedition Act is still in force, unless their heads are buried in sands.
‘CIJ, another PR lap dog’ ‘their heads are buried in sands’
I like the picture a lot!
I’m glad you did!
Lionel Morais, whom I used to know, must be pissing in his pants now.
The recent Amos Yee rantings are similar to the rantings of NameWee and the sex blogger. Loud mouth youths.
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/293768
“A Singapore teenager has been charged with harassment and insulting a religious group for comments he made on social media about former premier Lee Kuan Yew and Christians soon after Lee’s death, authorities said today.”
Just look at the hypocrisy of the commenters at Malaysiakini.
MatiLoh Obviously from a well to do family but parents not done their roles effectively. “Bo Ka Si” in Singapore Hokkien.
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Lonely MidnightSun Stupid full. Stupid enough to be make used of.Articulated? Everything is scripted. Young??? So? Don’t know the consequence of his action. Heard about suicide bombers as young as 8 or 9 years old? They also don’t know the consequence of their action? Spoilt brat in
It is not OK to poke fun at LKY but I noticed it is certainly OK to poke fun at Najib (Through cartoons and kangkung). Again the Islamphobia. The boy poked fun at Christianity but what has suicide bombers got to do with Amos Yee?
There is a time and place for protests. I don’t think the opening of the DUN by the newly crowned Sultan is such a time or place. This is beyond kurang ajar.
re: “Amos Yee has the excuse of youth and immaturity …”
You don’t think that his assessment of the Christians is insightful?
Christianity on a world level is not the religion that is viewed as being the fanatical one, the one that incites violence and the one that is unreasonable. Your hatred towards Christianity clearly appears to be deep rooted in your personal agenda, and is truly pathetic in my eyes, as you have lost any sense of objectivity in your writings. I never wanted to believe this, but am now starting to wonder if you are a paid BN cyber-trooper. I hope that I am wrong.
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Does making an unfounded allegation (character assassination of me) make your own argument any more convincing?
Let’s see whether the 16-year-old Amos Yee is being objective about the Christians in Singapore.
The teenager said in his YouTube video:
– “Christians seem to be a really big fan of him [Lee Kuan Yew]”.
– “They’re both power hungry and malicious but deceive others into thinking that they are compassionate and kind.”
– “Their impact and legacy will ultimately not last as more and more people find out that they’re full of bull.”
– “And Lee Kuan Yew’s followers are completely delusional and ignorant, and have absolutely no sound logic or knowledge about him that is grounded in reality – which Lee Kuan Yew very easily manipulates similar to the Christian knowledge of the Bible and the work of a multitude of priests.”
I believe the readers in this forum will be able to objectively evaluate Amos Yee’s observations above about the evangelistas in Singapore.
Other videos about Christianity by Amos Yee
1. Cheery Bible Tales Of Christmas
2. Refuting Christians With Their Own Christian Bible
“YouTuber Amos Yee charged, bail set at S$20,000”
“Yee, 16, was on Tuesday charged with multiple offences, including Section 289 of the Penal Code for “deliberate intention of wounding the religious or racial feelings of any person”.
“The Court also granted him a bail amount set at S$20,000, under the condition that he will not post, upload or otherwise distribute any comment or content, whether directly or indirectly, to any social media or online service or website, while the current case against him is ongoing. The amount has been posted, and Yee is out on bail.”
If you look at his “LKY is Finally dead video” at minute 4.23
You will find that Malaysia has the lowest poverty rate in the chart (3.8%) as compared to Singapore a whooping 28%.
We may have lower wages but can try to make ends meet. In Singapore, with a super strong dollar and super high wages people can’t make ends meet.
Is this kind of life what we want? For those LKY lovers who hate Malaysia and wish Malaysia was more like Singapore, please MIGRATE! No wonder many Singapore Apeks and Amah go to Malaysian Nursing Homes. Hmmm, if Singapore is so superior why does these Apek and Amahs want to mati here? Why do so many Singaporeans want to buy homes in Penang? Pan gi ma (murah!)
See even a teenager can see it clearly. But many in Penang are too blind to see.
Yes please MIGRATE, aiya tambak johor tol ku lui nia???
Helen’s now appealing to a 16 year old to justify her own prejudices. Really sad.
And FYI Helen, Christians exist throughout the world, not just in Singapore and Malaysia. And you will find the Christian countries lead the world in terms of aid and human rights. It’s no secret many from the East are desperately trying to migrate to the Christian West, and not the other way round.
Have you ever heard of Hans Christian Andersen’s The Emperor’s New Clothes?
All the sycophants and courtiers told the emperor what a beautiful gold robe he was wearing. A little boy pointed out the truth that the emperor was naked.
As for Amos Yee’s observation, he’s speaking from the Singapore experience – the place that gave birth to the City Harvest Church.
The developments in Singapore are the closest in parallel to Malaysia’s. Same demography (urban and suburban Chinese) and same ethos (Gospel of Prosperity) peddled by the same carpetbaggers (lay preachers in the evangelical churches).
I agree with Amos’ take on LKY. If he had replaced LKY with Mahathir, it would be just as accurate…
And mister, exactly how is that a similitude to your brain?
Revisiting the early days of modern Singapore’s political leadership:
I’ve lived in Islamic Malaysia, and have also lived in Christian Australia and New Zealand. I certainly know which countries shows more compassion to its citizens, respect for their human rights, and contributes more in foreign aid. It certainly isn’t Malaysia.
Religion in Australia is diverse. The Constitution of Australia of 1901 prohibits the Commonwealth government from establishing a church or interfering with the freedom of religion;
Jeff is waxing so lyrical about his fellow Christians in Oz and NZ.
Now wonder Hannah Yeoh would have given an arm and a leg to acquire an Aussie PR. Unfortunately for Hannah, Australia does not want her.
It’s so hypocritical of Hannah to dissuade young Malaysians from emigrating just because she herself is unable to make the cut.
You reach a point whereby you would rather live and contribute in a country that genuinely treats you as an equal, does not discriminate against you based on your race or creed, and respects your freedom of speech. Malaysia is a beautiful country that has been ruined by a semi dictatorship and many gullible citizens, so I think it’s a no brainier to pack up and leave if the opportunity arises.
You will be interested to know that the largest group amongst the overseas Malaysians that obtain foreign citizenships and discard their Malaysian ones are actually the Malays. Do a google search if you don’t believe me. Obviously the progressive Malays have had enough. Instead of worrying about the sedition act and the Christian minority etc, the brain drain overseas should be a more pressing issues to this clueless BN government.
re: “You reach a point whereby you would rather live and contribute in a country that genuinely treats you as an equal, does not discriminate against you based on your race or creed, and respects your freedom of speech.”
Very hypocritical of Hannah Yeoh. She failed to qualify for Australian permanent residence and so turns around and discourages other young people from emigrating.
DAP leaders like Hannah radicalize the Christians into becoming evangelistas so that their party and the opposition are strengthened by this very strong backing from a highly organized and sophisticated group.
The saturation support from non-Muslims and non-Malays allows the DAP politicians to gain and maintain their positions, which come with power and perks. Hannah tells the youth, “Don’t change your country, change your government.”
Yang Berhormats in the DAP attain their standing from being hypocrites and setting the Chinese on a collision course with the Malays (look at the level of race tensions in Malaysia today) and from pitting the Christians against Muslims – see the Sarawak state election in 2011 and the current campaign for the next one.
The Christians have a superiority complex and loudly denigrate hudud as barbaric and stone age. This Christian-Muslim friction is escalating into Christian-Islam conflict. All because – to borrow the description by Singapore’s 16-year-old Amos Yee – the DAP evangelista politicians are “power hungry and malicious” but hypocritically pretending that they’re full of love-love-love.
‘You reach a point whereby you would rather live and contribute in a country that genuinely treats you as an equal’
Great. Go talks to Australians. The country so huge pun takdak olang mau sembang sama lu meh??! What depa sulah bunuh semua aborigines meh??
I made the comment on youth and immaturity in relation to the comments mentioned by Mulan.
I think Amos Yee”s video shows him to be a smart individual, not very well-mannered (it’s too soon) but still really smart. His arguments are well put together and if the name he mentioned in that video was TDM or Najib and the religion Islam, he would become the youngest hero in the dapster line-up.
Yah, he’s a smart kid; probably John Oliver, Bill Maher or Jon Stewart were his idols too.
I predict Amos will be a great political adversary to PAP supporters when he reaches 18.
For such a young kid, his arguments are congruent and well researched.
Unlike our kids who after years of education can’t even speak proper English and Mandarin and no a single word of Malay. Even with an MBA they can’t even calculate the GST.
Apsal LKS mati jugak ke?!
MARINA MAHATHIR VS. KHALID ABU BAKAR
‘Why does IGP get to decide what’s seditious? Marina Mahathir asks after TMI 5 arrests’ – an article in The Malay Mail yesterday.
The news portal quoted Marina as saying, “Very sad day for media freedom, as limited as we already had. How come IGP gets to decide who is seditious and who is not?”
Well, if not the Inspector-General of Police, then who? After all, it is Khalid Abu Bakar who represents the power of the authorities as the country’s top law enforcement officer.
So yeah – to answer Marina’s question – indeed he gets to decide on THE INVESTIGATION of “who is seditious and who is not”. Being the PM’s consultant in NUCC, Marina ought really be more knowledgeable about these things.
Yup, the IGP decides on who the police want to investigate for sedition, the Attorney-General’s Chamber decides on whether to press charges while the court will decide on whether the accused is guilty or not.
And no, the arrest of Ho Kay Tat, Jahabar Sadiq and Gang is not a “[v]ery sad day for media freedom” as claimed by Marina. Not at all.
It is a day most welcomed as the agenda-driven TMI has been terrorizing Malaysians through their patently false reports, concocted from thin air, and their character assassination of innocent victims.
When contacted yesterday, Marina told The Malay Mail, “If the report is inaccurate, then there should be official statement on it. TMI would lose some credibility”.
The truth of the matter is, TMI simply refuses to correct their maliciously faked copy, even when the request comes from the Prime Minister’s Office itself.
Below are the PMO tweets on 25 March 2015 complaining about TMI’s deliberate misrepresentation of a part of the PM’s speech. TMI put words in Najib Razak’s mouth that he never uttered.
PMO statement:
“We wld like 2 clarify an inaccurate story by The Msian Insider today. PM @NajibRazak did not say Sedition Act is needed 2 curb terrorism.”
“In his speech, PM @NajibRazak said: ‘We also prioritise racial & religious harmony, that is why we need to strengthen the Sedition Act’.”
“Despite our request to correct the story, The Malaysian Insider has yet to do so.”
If the PM himself is unable to obtain redress/correction from TMI for its deliberate misquote, then how would the rest of us mere mortals fare when we are bullied and smeared by the TMI lying and spinning machine?
It was widely reported that TMI had committed “suatu provokasi fitnah yang sangat jahat sekali ke atas institusi Kesultanan Melayu”.
According to a report in the Malaysia Aktif portal, the Council of Rulers expressed their “kemurkaan yang amat sangat”. See ‘Tindakan Tegas perlu dikenakan terhadap Portal Malaysia Insider’ article on 26 March 2015.
Malaysia Aktif reported that the Council had taken to task TMI for “mencemar ketinggian darjat dan martabat ke Bawah Duli-duli Yang Maha Mulia Sultan dan Raja-raja Melayu”.
“Majlis Raja-raja Melayu menafikan sekeras-kerasnya artikel berkenaan dan tidak pernah membincangkan mengenai pindaan Perlembagaan berkenaan pelaksanaan hudud sebagaimana yang ditulis.”
The Keeper of the Rulers’ Seal proceeded to lodge a police report on March 26 saying that the TMI report is false.
Isma in its March 31 article pointed out that despite all the brouhaha, TMI still yet chose to display the false and malicious story in its website for a week. – “Sehingga berita ini ditulis TMI terus mengekalkan laporan mengaitkan Majlis Raja-Raja dengan hudud dalam ruangan ‘MOST READ THIS WEEK’.”
The Malay Mail story further quoted Marina as saying that the “heavy-handedness makes people sympathise with TMI, especially since it’s the latest in a long line of arrests”.
It also said that Marina believes, “If you arrest people for voluntarily coming forward to aid in investigations, what incentive is there ever to help the police?”
Those who sympathise would sympathise regardless. Even after TMI‘s credibility has been torn to shreds, it makes no difference simply because some Malaysians are so partial and partisan due to the ABU-ABU-ABU politics that they’ve lost their moral compass.
Marina’s statement on “what incentive is there ever to help the police?” is certainly typical of her ‘Liberal Doses’ persona.
She is now going on a Twitter overdrive tweeting her support for press freedom vis-à-vis TMI.
The crux of the matter is not the freedom of the press. TMI, which has a long track record of cheating and lying is no paragon of press freedom.
In fact, TMI‘s abuse of the media went so far as to include the publication of a doctored photo that cast the PAS president in a bad light. A banner carried during a recent ‘Free Anwar’ demo was Photoshopped to say “Undur Hadi” when the actual wording had referred to somebody else.
And Marina seems to harbour double standards. Freedom of the press was not on her mind when she was so very quick to sue Isma for linking her – in her capacity as a director in Sisters in Islam – to the Comango faith freedom initiative.
In fact, Marina also threatened to sue any website or blog that reproduced the Isma flyer which had her name on it.
The issue with TMI is misrepresentation and defamation. Its editors were hauled up to be investigated on the charge of publishing seditious material that has the tendency “to bring into hatred or contempt or to excite disaffection” against the Rulers.
Pakatan media have been spinning as if there was only a careless and forgivable mistake contained in the TMI article. This is so sneaky.
The entire TMI article is a complete fabrication. Our nine Sultans, Raja and Yamtuan Besar have rebutted the article as false.
Hence Marina’s Bangsar Malaysia posturing against the IGP does her no credit.
It’s Marina-0, IGP-1, I’m afraid.
Most the urban readers, particularly the oppo-friendly, see this TMI issue as one that concerned freedom of speech/press. TMI should be taken to task for publishing lies.
But the majority of the non-urban (kampung, if you will) people see this as “derhaka”, not of the Jebat variety, but still biadap towards the royal institution. This is viewed in light of all the other biadap attitude towards the institution, which must surely indicate that more are questioning the position of royalty in the constitution. It has been going on since before GE13 and it’s getting worse because the authorities seemed to be unable to act on this.
I read some comments that said action should be taken on TMI for defamation. Surely, people do not expect the Royal institution to file a civil suit for defamation. The fact that the Keeper of the Rulers’ Seal had to file a police report is already laughable. Is the Royal Institution like a regular office that they need to file police reports? Isn’t it the duty of the government of the day to safeguard the position of the Royal Institution in the Constitution?
Maybe we who live in the non-urban areas are not as suave and polished as people think but we at least know and hold sacred the constitution.
re: “Surely, people do not expect the Royal institution to file a civil suit for defamation.”
I think the same as you.
We have the Sedition Act and it specifically protects the monarchy. The IGP is acting according to the letter of the law.
re: The IGP is acting according to the letter of the law.
While most people look at the TMI issue in the context of the article itself, not many look into the manner the TMI issue is handled by the police.
Why the IGP considered the TMI article as seditious? The content of the article didn’t incite the public to overthrow/abolish the monarchy. At most the article is tantamount to false reporting (a lesser crime).
Even if the article is indeed seditious, why the IGP didn’t take similar actions on other mainstream media or pro-government personalities/politicians that have made equally seditious news or statements. I don’t need to give names here. Faham-faham lah. Clear case of double standards.
I don’t recall anyone else in recent times who had fitnah the Raja-Raja Melayu and prompting the Penyimpan Mohor Besar to lodge a police report against them.
You don’t think it’s a very serious matter when the Keeper of the Royal Seal on behalf of the nine Rulers makes a complaint to the police? When was the last time that you can remember all nice Rulers up in arms against a culprit?
If you’ll read the Sedition Act, it expressly protects the Rulers from such “mencemar martabat” attacks.
You are right. Rulers are protected under the Sedition Act 1948. If you refer to section 3(e), ‘seditious tendency’ is defined as:
“to promote feelings of ill will and hostility between different races or classes of the population of Malaysia”.
Rulers are not the only class that enjoy the protection under the Act. Other classes such as the various ethnics also enjoy the same.
Why the lack of police action under the section above against pro-government personalities that have made such seditious statements or news in the context of ‘pendatang, tutup sekolah vernakular, bakar kitab, tutup kuil etc’?
Again I stress my point here. Police acted in a double standard manner. They are fast to take action on anti-government personalities under the Act but not on pro-government personalities.
What is so objectionable about the word “pendatang”? Would you prefer that they be called “penjelma”, like materializing from thin air instead of emigrating from China and India?
Asking for vernacular school to be closed is not seditious. Read the judgment on the Mark Koding case.
As for “bakar Al-Kitab”, that’s sensationalizing by the pro-Christian media. Tun who was present at the event where Ibrahim Ali said that has vouched for its context, i.e. if the Malay students bring back such a copy (Malay Bible that uses the ‘Allah’ word), then their parents should dispose of it by burning.
He did not ask a rabble to go out and snatch any/all Bibles to be thrown into a bonfire. It is precisely media like TMI through their incendiary “burn Bibles” reporting that have inflamed religious passions.
re: Mark Koding
Ok. Agree that “Asking for vernacular school to be closed is not seditious.”
re: pendatang, bakar kitab
Sedition Act does not take into account the intention of the statement maker. No intention and real impact arising from the statement need to be establish under sedition. Read Section 3(3):
It basically provides that “the intention of the person charged at the time he did or attempted (the seditious statement) shall be deemed to be irrelevant if in fact the act had, or would, if done, have had, or the words, publication or thing had a seditious tendency.” (the real provision is too long to be cited here)
Read together with Section 3(1)(c):
A “seditious tendency” is a tendency—
(c) to promote feelings of ill will and hostility between different races or classes of the population of Malaysia; or
Take the example of ‘bakar kitab’ statement. My opinion:
1. No actual kitab needs to be burned in order to consider the statement as seditious.
2. Subsequent clarification by the statement maker is ineffective to negate/deny the content of the original statement.
3. Not necessary to prove that there were Christians that were offended by the statement.
4. Just need to look at the wordings of the statement and see whether the statement has a “seditious tendency”.
It is my opinion that the statement of ‘bakar kitab’ is seditious. Not Mahathir, police or minister can exonerate the statement maker. The least the police can do is to investigate the case, pass the papers to AG for prosecution and let the court to decide according to the law. The statement maker can defend himself at court. It is the court that can absolve the statement maker.
Problem is we have selective prosecution and double standard. The police, minister and even the AG had already absolved the statement maker by refusing to proceed further. The due process of law does not take place.
I’ve always thought the Sedition Act was a bad law and not something I can endorse in principle.
But then you have dajjal like TMI. Much as I’ve complained about the loyalty of The J-Star and its inclination towards the DAP, at least I’ve never said the nestlings are dajjal and neither has the J-Star ever done anything like what TMI did to Mukhriz or Majlis Fatwa.
Using the flow of your guidelines, I can say:
1. No actual proof of lost votes needs to be furnished in order to consider the TMI fitnah against Muhriz as damaging.
2. Subsequent apology by the news portal is ineffective to negate/deny the purpose of the original fitnah to damage Mukhriz’s reputation and hence the support (votes) for him in the Umno election.
3. Not necessary to prove that there were Umno delegates that were persuaded, i.e. who believed the TMI false report.
4. Just need to look at the wordings of the false allegation published in the TMI about Mukhriz and see whether the statement has a tendency and intent to damage Mukhriz’s chances in the Umno election.
TMI is more than guilty going by the above. They are diabolical.
If we did not have such TMI types in Malaysia, then we would not need a Sedition Act.
re: …… Sedition Act was a bad law
Whether it is good or bad, as long as the law is valid we need to accept the reality. Law will appear in statute books. It is the authority that will enforce it. Problem is we have selective enforcement.
re: Using the flow of your guidelines
No Helen. The guideline is meant for sedition cases. Not applicable for ‘TMI fitnah Mukhriz’ case. Simply because Mukhriz is not a protected class under the Sedition Act. The Act protects royalty, Islam, various ethnics etc. It does not protect politicians or parties. That was why no action by authority. Mukhriz had to initiate his own action to demand apology from TMI. There is a difference between sedition and libel/defamation/slander.
Same case like the various news reports made by Utusan that attracted PR politicians to sue. These reports were directed at specific personalities not protected under the Act. Read Section 3 of the Act for the definition of ‘seditious tendency’. Utusan has in fact published several reports that maybe seditious such as ‘apa lagi cina mau’, ‘tubuh negara kristian’ etc. Unfortunately, there is no action by the authorities.
re: then we would not need a Sedition Act.
We can have any law as long as the law is enforced fairly.
BTW, TMI issued an apology. I refer to this specific paragraph:
The Harian Metro article had the headline “Masih boleh di bawa” and the sub-heading “Penolakan Majlis Raja Melayu hanya isu teknikal”. (“Can still be tabled – Rejection by Conference of Rulers only a technical issue”)
The Harian Metro article was based on an interview with Kelantan Deputy Menteri Besar Datuk Mohd Amar Nik Abdullah who said: “Ia di tarik balik kerana ada isu teknikal saja. Saya di maklumkan pihak Majlis Raja Raja mahu perkara in di perhalusi terlebih dahulu”.
Looks like Harian Metro published the same article as TMI, the content being ‘Rulers rejected Hudud’. I am unable to search the said HM article. Can you assist to verify?
re: …… Sedition Act was a bad law
re: “Whether it is good or bad, as long as the law is valid we need to accept the reality.”
Correct. So as long as sedition is in the statute books, the TMI editors should be locked up for three years because they have clearly been seditious against the monarchs. It’s an iron-clad case.
re: “… Mukhriz is not a protected class under the Sedition Act. The Act protects royalty, Islam, various ethnics etc. It does not protect politicians or parties.”
The Sedition Act protects against bringing into hatred or contempt or to excite disaffection against any Ruler or any Government. Mukhriz is the Menteri Besar of Kedah, head of a state government albeit in the Umno elections, he was in his capacity as Umno member.
re: “Mukhriz had to initiate his own action to demand apology from TMI.
The Rulers need not initiate their own action in a civil court to demand apology from TMI for defamation as they’re protected by the Sedition Act. The TMI issue is not about “freedom of the press”. It’s about telling an outright lie against the Rulers – that’s how the IGP sees it.
re: “There is a difference between sedition and libel/defamation/slander.”
So to revert to the case of the Rulers, the charge of sedition (as long as the law is still valid), is correct while asking the Rulers to sue for libel as the Dapsters are arguing is redundant given their Highnesses’ stature.
re: “Utusan has in fact published several reports that maybe seditious such as ‘apa lagi cina mau’, ‘tubuh negara kristian’ etc. Unfortunately, there is no action by the authorities.”
“Apa lagi Cina mau” may be offensive but is it seditious? On the other hand, TMI clearly fabricated an event that did not take place according to the statement by the Council of Rulers.
re: “We can have any law as long as the law is enforced fairly.”
I do not want the Sedition Act. It’s too arbitrary.
re: “The Harian Metro article had the headline “Masih boleh di bawa” and the sub-heading “Penolakan Majlis Raja Melayu hanya isu teknikal”. (“Can still be tabled – Rejection by Conference of Rulers only a technical issue”)
They’re spinning as usual. Kalau tak spin, namanya bukan TMI.
re: “The Harian Metro article was based on an interview with Kelantan Deputy Menteri Besar Datuk Mohd Amar Nik Abdullah who said:’Ia di tarik balik kerana ada isu teknikal saja. Saya di maklumkan pihak Majlis Raja Raja mahu perkara in di perhalusi terlebih dahulu’.”
Harian Metro spoke to an actual person on record and who is named. Sources story can be pure concoction.
re: “Looks like Harian Metro published the same article as TMI, the content being ‘Rulers rejected Hudud’. I am unable to search the said HM article. Can you assist to verify?”
re: the TMI editors should be locked up for three years
I am not defending the TMI article. Anyway, the due legal process has already taken. Let TMI defends itself at court in the event of prosecution.
What I am questioning here is the double standards of the police. No action is taken on pro-government personalities that have made/uttered seditious statements. What the police did is merely recording the statements from these personalities. Thereafter, NFA – No Further Action.
re: The Rulers need not initiate their own action in a civil court to demand apology from TMI for defamation as they’re protected by the Sedition Act.
You are right on the position of the Sedition Act.
re: I do not want the Sedition Act. It’s too arbitrary.
Section 3(1)(a) provides:
…… to bring into hatred or contempt or to excite disaffection against any Ruler or against any Government;
In fact, any rakyat that complain against the implementation of GST, increase of petrol price and water cuts can be deemed to be seditious under the Act.
Can’t help you if you fail to see the bigger picture. This is a portal that falsely lay some statements at the door of the ROYAL INSTITUTION without even consulting with the institution. Tis is not just false reporting. This is attacking the royal institution.
I don’t know but I think part of the problem is because they are collectively called Majlis Raja-Raja Melayu. Maybe that’s why some Malaysians fail to see their position in the constitution as the head of the Federation but instead only see the word Melayu which is anathema to them.
In this context of “attacking” the royal institution, I think we can safely say it’s only been done by TMI and no other media organisation.
re: “This is a portal that falsely lay some statements at the door of the ROYAL INSTITUTION … This is attacking the royal institution.”
They also, through their false imputation to Karpal Singh’s death, caused the Majlis Fatwa to be maligned over its “RIP” advice.
And they blatantly doctored the demo banner to say “Undur Hadi”. This dastardly Photoshop is slandering the PAS supporters who carried the banner b’cos the real banner that they were holding did not say that.
Such is the malicious track record of the dajjal TMI that respects no ethical boundaries in their pursuit of ‘regime change’.
re: “I think we can safely say it’s only been done by TMI and no other media organisation.”
Only TMI is capable of doing all its other defamation like fitnah against Mukhriz, Tun, Tajuddin, and many others who do not have the resources to take on this big dajjal bully. Even a request for redaction/correction by the PM’s office was ignored by TMI.
This hubris of the TMI has developed b’cos they’ve been allowed to get away with their defamation for too long. With the rulers, the case is iron-clad. Time to draw a line in the sand and shut down the pro-Christian spin machine.
I’m hoping the police will pursue this to the end.
I am not sure if you folks noticed this interesting letter by DAP leaders stating their former job as reporters. No wonder even the MSM media today is crawling with Dapsters.
1. Lim Kit Siang (DAP parliamentary leader, former journalist of Singapore Straits Times);
2. Chow Kon Yeow (exco member, Penang, former journalist of The Star);
3. Ng Wei Aik (MP for Tanjong, former journalist of Nanyang Siang Pau);
4. Lee Kee Hiong (state assemblyperson for Kuala Kubu Baru, former journalist of Tong Bao);
5. Wong May Ing (state assemblyperson for Pantai Remis, former journalist of Oriental Daily);
6. Wong Shu Qi (state assemblyperson for Senai, former journalist of Merdeka Review);
7. Medaline Chang She Yun (DAP Wanita publicity secretary, former sub-editor at Star Publications).
Betty Chew, the wife of Penang Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng, was also an intern at the Penang office as a student from Universiti Sains Malaysia.
Betty also did an internship at the Malacca office of Utusan Malaysia. As fate would have it, she would hang out at The Star’s Malacca office which was nearby to the State government buildings. It was in that office that our then Malacca bureau chief M. Veera Pandiyan introduced her to Guan Eng, who was also a regular visitor to office.
Moral of the story: No Utusan, no Betty Chew as Mrs LGE.
Thanks Ah Wong
Thanks Mulan – interesting indeed. I wonder what the Tokong was doing at the Star office and why Veera introduced Betty to him.
Moral of the story. Takes the Utusan money and bitch about ‘them’ at The Star.
If one were to see the innane comments that filled the CNA’s website during the 1 week period of mourning in Spore. The 2 posts bout the arrival of PM Najib to pay his respects & the Mahathir interview bout his rship with LKy drew especially venomous comments from mainly chinese netizens.
Most of them likely Msian Chinese with a smattering of Sporean chinese. Its all about how much better as a leader Lky was not taking into account the difference in size n population. How they wished Msia had a leader like Lky now instead of Najib.
Is that not ironic? A leader like Lky would probably sue the pants of the Opposition for their lies n halfTruths and most likely haul their asses to prison for a loooong time. And he would definately not tolerate those silly useless demos the Pakatan seem to love.
“A leader like Lky would probably sue the pants of the Opposition …”
No, not sue la. More like lock them up under ISA and throw away the key.
“We have to lock up people, without trial, whether they are communists, whether they are language chauvinists, whether they are religious extremists. If you don’t do that, the country would be in ruins.”
– Lee Kuan Yew, 1986
And compare that to what he espoused pre-independence.
“If it is not totalitarian to arrest a man and detain him, when you cannot charge him with any offence against any written law – if that is not what we have always cried out against in Fascist states – then what is it?… If we are to survive as a free democracy, then we must be prepared, in principle, to concede to our enemies – even those who do not subscribe to our views – as much constitutional rights as you concede yourself.”
– Opposition leader Lee Kuan Yew, Legislative Assembly Debates, Sept 21, 1955
I am in Singapore for a business trip and the front page news in the Straits Times news was the arrest of the TMI five. The ST as a matter of factly stated that the govt has been arresting more than 100 people who had been critical of Najib. How this can be published with the Malaysian High Commission protesting, I don’t know. I bet that if any Malaysian newspaper say anything bad about Singapore, the HC will immediate respond the same day ensuring their replies are published immediately. Our HC is sleeping while Dapters in Singapore expand the anti-BN propaganda to the city state. Their coverage of GST and 1MDB issues was also highly skewed.
The moment I reached office, everyone including non Singaporeans was asking me about 1MDB and the missing money. Just imagine the power of PR propaganda.
Business Times also wrote on the same issue, but was much more objective and measured. No attempt to spin the story.
Well the rules only applied to others not them. If what they doing is wrong then it is okay. It is the freedom of expression, speach and whatever devil’s do will be permitting of the devil’s supporting them. But if others do the same, it is racism and immediately need to be execute if possible kills.
Calvin, perhaps you can return the favour and ask them what has happened to the Singaporeans’ CPF retirement funds which had been channeled away to the Temasek Investment Company and the Government of Singapore Investment Corporation Pte. Ltd. (GIC) – during the past four decades? Why workers today are not allowed to fully withdraw their CPF savings at 55 yrs of age? Why Singapore is so supportive of the Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA)?
As for the independence of Singapore Straits Times, “World Press Freedom Index” ranks Singapore at a low no.153 out of 180 countries worldwide.
Haha…I think the Singaporeans are well aware of the issue of CPF. In fact it is one of their main grouses. I am not upset with the Singaporeans but just pointing out how the PR propaganda machine is able to exert such influence even beyond the country’s borders while the govt agencies and embassies are just letting it happen.
Betoi Helen, saya baca artikel tu kat blog Dr Maza sendiri to verify. Memang macam langit dengan bumi jadinya. Habis semua orang marah kat Dr Maza lepas tu. Memang licik…pastu minta maaf tapi sempat lagi nak tuduh orang double standard la, nak heret orang lain sekali memang jahat gila TMI!
Portal yang tak leh buang tabiat jahatnya wajar ditutup saje. Masih Ops Lalang tu The Star pun digantung pihak berkuasa kerana merupakan ancaman kepada negara.
Pemimpin-pemimpin geraja pun ditangkap ISA tatkala operasi keselamatan tersebut.
Helen komen sikit artikel ni…nampak gaya Malay gomen lagi ke kat Selangor pulak??
It’ll be like the current Perak BN gomen – 30 Malay Aduns, one Chinese (MCA).
Johor is also quite close to the above Malay-dominance format wrt its BN state gomen despite Johor being a mixed or multiracial state.
Eventually, the whole peninsula will be like that with the Chinese dominating the opposition and controlling Penang.
The article also says the Cinas will start undi MCA then, too minimize the Malay-Muslim effect, will they Helen, you think?
Not in Selangor, no. They’ve tasted two terms of Pakatan rule and having DAP sit in the Speaker’s chair, and previously hogging Selangor Times.
In 1999 and 2004, DAP had only two and one Adun respectively in Selangor. Today the party has 15. The Chinese’s anti-establishment attitude has very much hardened over the last decade.
Clarify my comment above:
DAP is part of the establishment in Selangor while Umno is the opposition (no MCA or Gerakan Aduns in S’gor).
So what I meant by the Chinese’s “anti” attitude is their behaviour such as wearing black in order to boycott the official Adun uniform and songkok recently at Perak assembly as well as other disrespect/hostility shown to Malay customs and Islam with their elevation of Christianity to rival the Religion of the Federation in the government arena and public domain.
e.g.
Khalid Ibrahim officiated the Selangor celebration of Christmas on a grand scale. Don’t recall Umno’s Selangor past Menteris Besar – Muhammad Muhammad Taib, Abu Hassan Omar or Khir Toyo – ever doing such a thing.
Dr OKM and Zairil pasti akan meroyan lagi lepas ni…
They will spin. Out of the 24,000, 23,909 was done by their own and the other 80 by the the third race and the reminder by the sons and daughters of the soil!
Don’t believe wait till TMI pick up the story.
TMI should learn from this kid. If you are going to lie/spin, do it with panache. That boy has got style. That was the best April Fool joke for the year.
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Helen Ang 
TMI lied again thinking that we don’t have the original article. It was never implied. It was intentionally wrote to incite hatred. See http://hakbersuara.wordpress.com/2014/04/20/tmi-lying-continue/
Correct Ellese. TMI explicitly said, “Hours after the death of Karpal Singh, Muslims were told by the National Fatwa Council today they were not encouraged to use the phrase “Rest in Peace” (RIP) to a non-Muslim because the term had Christian connotations.”
On this one, TMI is mucking around with a very high and powerful federal religious authority comprising state muftis, who are reps of the Sultans. The council has 3 Tan Sris, 12 Datuks, 7 Professors and a handful of PhDs in their ranks.
Some of them are battle-hardened, such as Perak Mufti Harussani Zakaria, and won’t take the TMI‘s rubbish lying down.
Just like the Dapsters, TMI the pro-Christian portal only bullies guys (like their reader-commenters, independent bloggers, and those who are targets/victims of the evangelista hatchet job) who are smaller than them.
The National Fatwa Council which is under Jakim which is under JPM is not the usual small fish that the bully boys of TMI can easily fry.
I believe that TMI has met its sepandai-pandainya tupai melompat moment.
Tq Helen for updating the changes made. Tmi is too much.
TMI will be meeting its match in the National Fatwa Council. And the thing about real power is that they speak softly but carry a big stick.
The council has got the Sultans behind them. The rulers are not like political operatives who have to shout to be heard above the din. The rulers will just berdehem in the right ears.
Meanwhile in the fisticuffs public arena, TMI has already got the Umno bloggers on their tail. Now they will get the Muslim NGOs too.
Itulah, TMI has the same traits as their kiblat (KJ). Biting off more than they can chew thinking that just because they have successfully bullied powerless small fry, the big fish will be just as easy game.
I truly hope so.
‘The rulers will just berdehem in the right ears.’
Very classy Helen. Haha, I like!
… Intentionally written… Apol.
Ellese , Helen… great work girls but you know how this all will end up.. another apology and thats it TMI will be scot free.. again and again. Thanx to our ball-ess people in charge.
Still , you girls keep up the good work.
It is time for tmi to realise that they are a bane to the country on many issues that they had sensationalise in their reporting. Without a doubt, it is intentional and therefore it is without a doubt that the people behind are unscrupulous and are out to belittle the country but more so the umno and the muslim community.
Such uneducated and low lives running tmi. A bunch of morons. To them i say tough s###.
They do not realise that the bigger population in malaysia love this country despite its shortcomings. We have lived here for the past 58 years and still would not trade this country for anything or anyone in the world. Long live Raja2 Melayu, the BN government, the Fatwa Council, the rakyat who love Malaysia.
re: “the people behind [TMI] are unscrupulous”
Very, very, very.
“the people behind [TMI] are unscrupulous”
LOW LIFE SCUMS!!!
the majority love BN Gomen? fazilla deeeeeen you must be dreaming. ? hang buat lawak………..
Mohamad adel,
Typical lawak from u, a bully!!! Hang baca btol2 fazila punyer post, no mention of “majority love BN’. She’s entitled to her own opinion n wish for a ‘long live kerajaan BN’
Mohamad Adel, now pls take into your lawak, the ludicrous oppo who keep on shouting, ‘the Rakyat’/Malaysian demand this n that’ … As if they represent all… Sudah lah… Got only 50.8% popular votes n also kebas the 2% ind/rosak, to chanang 2 de world that they garner 53% then pandai2 say they represent Rakyat, duhhh!!!
re: “also kebas the 2% ind/rosak”
ROTFL.
They be evangelistas. They’re as sneaky as they come.
I’m pretty sure Mohamad adel was never a ‘mohamad’ to begin with!
47 versus 51. 47 is the majority.
That is Barisan-style mathematics.
Hi,
At last, someone can see clearly that this issue is played by TMI just to stir things up!!!
Kudos to u!!!!
I’m sad to see how so many people were fooled by them regardless whether u r a so-called educated
person or not.
Moral of the story:
Never ever just read an article (from any source) & make your judgement blindly without doing a more in-depth research from various resources. You have to think clearly before you express your personal feeling in social media coz it’ll definitely stir-up things more.
I wish I can share this brilliant article
especially with my friends that were being blinded by that irresponsible article.
Thank you :)
‘I’m sad to see how so many people were fooled by them ‘
Anne, in this day and age, if you (TMI’s reading crowds) are stupid, it is by your own design. Don’t be sorry Anne, these nothing you can do to help those morons!
Dear Aunty Helen,
KJ should tell Malaysian Insider and The Sydney Morning Herald to shut up because Malaysian Insider and The Sydney Morning Herald do not have the rights to criticize or condemn the Majlis Fatwa.
If the writer of Malaysian Insider’s article is a Muslim, he must respect and listen to the Majlis Fatwa and not write an article to make people who do not understand Islam or the haters of Islam condemn Islam as they wrote in their comments.
The Sydney Herald’s writer has no rights to interfere in other people’s religion and other country’s internal affairs. He must not write about things that he does not understand.
Aunty Helen said that KJ is a Dapster, so is that why KJ did not tell them to shut up like how he tell Uncle Zul to shut up? Because Dapsters support people who fight against Islam, the fighters of Islam and BN.
I believe KJ and his kakis should be ashamed of their antics, especially after reading this commentary by a bright young kid.
‘The Sydney Herald’s writer has no rights to interfere in other people’s religion and other country’s internal affairs. He must not write about things that he does not understand.’
The keturunan banduan with his white man’s burden thinking cap, must be thinking that he is doing the world a favor by educating the Brownies!
I had a chance meeting with somebody very close to kj and guess what i told him to tell kj. ‘ get rid of regina’ .
I will continue to that, failing which kj has to vacate his position.
“The Sydney Herald’s writer has no rights to interfere in other people’s religion and other country’s internal affairs. He must not write about things that he does not understand.”
He is not commenting. He is merely reporting.
I hope you can learn the difference.
Dear AC-DC,
Responsible reporters must check their facts before writing. They should not just write what they like and think is right.
And I don’t think it’s a good idea for the Sydney Morning Herald to pick up news from Malaysian Insider without checking e-fatwa’s website.
The statement about R.I.P. was made in December 2013 and has nothing to do with Karpal’s; please read the screenshot of Murdoch’s article in Sydney Morning Herald above.
re: “He is not commenting. He is merely reporting. I hope you can learn the difference?”
I said,” He must not write about things that he does not understand.”
So he must check the facts before reporting.
“Responsible reporters must check their facts before writing. They should not just write what they like and think is right. ”
You mean like when Helen stated that 90% of young Chinese in Malaysia are Evangelical Christians? Wonder if she got that statistic from Utusan? Wouldn’t surprise me.
How about this statement from the link below from ISMA re Chinese using Christianity to destabilise Malaysia. Looks like they have been reading Helen’s blog, as they have not backed their statements with any facts whatsoever. But this two faced and hypocritical police force obviously let them get away with it, while they arrest opposition members on a daily basis for sttatements not half as seditious as ISMA’s. Note that Eric Paulsen etc were immediately summoned when they questioned Islamic and Government organisations.
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2015/03/27/evangelists-using-chinese-to-destabilise-malaysia-says-isma-article/
Double standards? You bet you. But I don’t expect most of the BN loving hypocrites on this blog to recognise this.
re: “You mean like when Helen stated that 90% of young Chinese in Malaysia are Evangelical Christians?”
Where did I ever say that ” 90%” of young Chinese in Malaysia are evangelistas?
Check your facts before writing.
Sudesh,
In your previous comment @ 2015/03/20 at 10:35 pm, you wrote that you’re a “practicing Christian”.
Does the Bible teach you to lie and spread false rumours?
Forgive me for my mistake. You are right, you did not say 90% (I confused the 9 out of 10 Chinese vote for the Dapster statement), but you did say most young Chinese are Christian. Again, my original statement stands. How did you come to the conclusion that most young Chinese are Christian? Isn’t this irresponsible reporting and reporting without facts to incite tension?
re: ……. Most young Chinese in Malaysia are Christian
Helen, in your article “https://helenang.wordpress.com/2015/03/05/most-young-chinese-in-malaysia-are-christian/”, you claimed that “Most young Chinese in Malaysia are Christian”. How you arrived at the conclusion? What is your basis?
Sah Lindsay Murdoch is a lazy copy and paste journalist. Ataupun duk tengah minum arak, kepala tengah sewel excited terus tweet berita kat pejabat dia.
Pemberita macam ni senang aje.. Jemput dia pi dinner, serve 400gm lobster and satu botol wine… (elok wakilkan staff yg boleh minum arak dan mabuk dgn dia) apa berita you nak dia hebohkan sure dia akan keluarkan. Tak tipu ya, dulu mcam ni le boss sya takle the foreign media people.
So, after all this debate, is the picture any clearer?
– can a Muslim say or write “Rest In Peace” when referring to a non-Muslim who has passed away?
– if he or she can’t, why?
And what’s this crap about saying that outsiders cannot comment on Malaysian domestic issues? I seem to recall that Dr Mahathir, for instance, had no qualms about commenting on stuff happening in other countries?
Are these “defenders” of things Malaysian afraid that they don’t have the intellectual nous or the language fluency to rebut the views of these outsiders?
And another thing – the use of the term “evangelistas” is getting to be tiresome, passe and a hackneyed cliche, beloved by those who have a bee in the bonnet or an irrational fascination with the Christian religion and how it has the power to cozen, delude, mislead or seduce the simple-minded into grave errors that would imperil their immortal souls.
The Almighty must be throwing up His Hands in despair!
re: “And another thing – the use of the term “evangelistas” is getting to be tiresome, passe and a hackneyed cliche”
The evangelistas are tiresome people. We’re sick and tired of their posturing.
Their “love thy neighbour” bullshit is passe b’cos, really, they’re the kind of people who take their dogs out to poop on the patch of grass outside someone else’s home.
Hackneyed cliche: “We’re meek and mild and peace-loving and harmless.”
I would riposte that the Perkasaites are also “tiresome people” and that “we’re sick and tired of their posturing”.
So, too, all those who purport to uphold the “dignity” of “race and religion”.
Thankfully, these people can only get to lord it in Malaysia.
Put them outside the country and they will be reduced to craven and snivelling silence.
Why? Because their agendas and positions are indefensible!
As witness this blog. Helen – why don’t you go and mix it up with the Australian media who, in your opinion, have perpetrated these calumnies and falsehoods?
Could the simple answer be that you are afraid to do so?
‘uphold the “dignity” of “race and religion”.’
Brader, you end up at the wrong place. We do it seriously here. I suggest you pack up and leave. Or is there any chance that you are no longer in the country and this is suppose to be your outside looking in two cents?
In my view, RIP is not well advised to be used by Muslim not just becoz it connotes Christianity. Amongst others, it is inappropriate in wishing something that you should believe to be otherwise, based on our own religion.
Kinda hipocrite, no? As a Muslim, on one hand, u believe something (or suppose/seems to) but on the other hand, u said otherwise! So, plz, don’t be a hipocrite as widely seen in Malaysia politics esp as Helen puts it, the evangelistas.
For me, to take in the sensitivities, just be silent or use other wishes that are inline with Islamic teachings. Unless, deep down, u don’t believe the Islamic teaching, then that’s the problem la! Hence the fatwa to guide (n should not be convulatedly connected/spinned to the late KS’s death) but it’s still ur own choice… own choice, own consequences….
Btw, enuff said, I am so fed up with all these hipocrites
In all of my nearly 70 years of age, has ever heard that The Almighty has hands, ha! ha! funny, funny. You must be a big time joker…..ha..ha…
In my view, RIP is not well advised to be used by Muslim not just becoz it connotes Christianity. Amongst others, it is inappropriate in wishing something that you should believe tobe otherwise, based on our own religion.
Kinda hipocrite, no? As a Muslim, on one hand, u believe something (or suppose/seems to) but on the other hand, u said otherwise! So, plz, don’t be a hipocrite as widely seen in Malaysia politics esp as Helen puts it, the evangelistas.
For me, to take in the sensitivities, just be silent or use other wishes that are inline with Islamic teachings. Unless, deep down, u don’t believe the Islamic teaching, then that’s the problem la! Hence the fatwa to guide (n should not be convulatedly connected/spinned to the late KS’s death) but it’s still ur own choice…own choice, own consequences….
Btw, nuff said… I am so fed up with all these hypocrites!
Don’t think fatwas are taken seriously to begin with. There is a fatwa stating that smoking is haram. Ada siapa ambik pot?
The advice against Muslims saying RIP was taken seriously enough to be published by two very established Aussie papers.
TMI was deliberately inciting, and the damage has been done. The misrepresentation has been spread and the negative impression created.
As Ellese has pointed out, even the Editor’s Note is a lie. It said that TMI “implied” the fatwa was given a few hours following, and in response to Karpal’s demise.
It wasn’t just “implied”. It was explicitly stated. TMI is a proven shit-stirrer.
Serves the government right for letting TMI do as they please.
Perhaps Zahid should give them an award as well?
Perhaps the gomen of the day has been closing one eye to TMI b’cos the political victims have been Mukhriz, Dr Mahathir and ‘that’ camp?
In which case, continuing to allow TMI a free rein is to let a double-edged sword continue its scything. The Najib administration itself will eventually be cut and it will bleed. Memang padan muka.
See, https://helenang.wordpress.com/2014/03/12/who-is-the-hand-pulling-the-strings/
Those who participate in familial dissensions, will cringe when the brigands bring down their front door.
There is another recent advisory saying that Muslim males should not get pompadour haircuts as they should not follow the styles of Christians and Jews.
“An unnamed Jakim official providing guidance on the use of RIP by Muslims in Malaysia does not equate an official fatwa which is one that has to be gazetted to have the force of law.”
I have read that Australian news article. In no place in the article does it say that an edict or official fatwa was declared.
“A malicious spinmaster”
We should read and obey the edicts of the Ministry of Truth through its organs such as Utusan, and the shadowy bloggers that use photographs of a chess player as a molest victim.
The RIP statement made by the Fatwa Council, is that an opinion or an edict? If opinion, is it binding on the Muslims?
I’m made to understand that a fatwa has to come from the council.
The RIP advisory has no ‘name’ (authority) attached to it.
‘The council has got the Sultans behind them. The rulers are not like political operatives who have to shout to be heard above the din. The rulers will just berdehem in the right ears.’
Helen, inikalilah, TMI sudah kena…depa ingat dengan fitnah majlis fatwa depa terlepas so depa boleh test water dengan the Raja-Raja behind the majlis pula…kan dah sangkut…cipan punya TMI…hope depa punya lesen pun kena tarik sekali dan dia punya taukey kasi jail…
Polis hari ini memberkas tiga pengarang kanan The Malaysian Insider iaitu pengarang urusan Lionel Morais, pengarang berita bahasa Amin Shah Iskandar dan pengarang analisis dan rencana Zulkifli Sulong berhubung satu laporan mengenai hudud yang menyentuh Majlis Raja-raja. – See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/bahasa/article/polis-tangkap-pengarang-tmi-kerana-laporan-hudud#sthash.3VLzDpco.dpuf
re: “inikalilah, TMI sudah kena”
Good one! Subvert the opposition’s slogans.
Congrats! Pandai pandai TMI melompat jatuh ke tanah juga.
Bila pula Utusan akan jatuh ke tanah? Setakat ini, Utusan hanya kalah kes mahkamah dan bayar ganti rugi. Pihak berkuasa masih belum ambil tindakan seperti mana tindakan diambil ke atas TMI.
Utusan tak menipu rakyat Malaysia dengan menfitnah Majlis Raja-Raja-dengan mempermainkan isu Islam.
Itu Perlembagaan Persekutuan cakap tak boleh menghasut maa ini perkara!
Utusan Malaysia gives one of the most balanced, perceptive, objective and honest coverage on what is happening in Malaysia, especially as regards the lot and future of the Malays and Muslims of this country.
Andaikan anda betul mengenai Utusan iaitu tidak menulis berita berunsur hasutan terhadap MRR atau Islam, maka tiada tindakan polis menurut Akta Hasutan.
Macam mana pula dengan berita yang disiarkan Utusan yang berciri fitnah, bohong dan perkauman? Berita ini tidak begitu serius berbanding hasutan, tetapi tindakan masih boleh diambil di bawah undang-undang yang lain seperti Kanun Keseksaan atau Akta Multimedia. Adakah polis mengambil tindakan sedemikian terhadap Utusan?
Bagi contoh boleh?
Helen,
While you cheer that ‘TMI sudah kena’ for being investigated, why you never advocate the same to be ‘kena’ on Utusan and other personalities like Ridhuan Tee, Ibrahim Ali, Zaik, Zul Nordin etc for sedition?
TMI is dajjal.
Utusan is not dajjal.
What is dajjal? How about Ridhuan Tee, Ibrahim Ali, Zul Nordin etc? BTW, Zaik already got a sedition case against him.
Dajjal is TMI.
At the end of times, Dajjal or the Anti-Christ, with his great powers will terrorize the Lord’s faithful on the earth … but eventually Jesus Christ will slay with his sword the Dajjal who colludes with the deviant trinitarian Christianity of Paul of Tarsus:
The present Christian Bible is Paul’s “salvation by the blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ, God made flesh” dogma:
[YouTube]
The Historical Jesus and his true teachings to humanity:
[YouTube]
Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim
People who claim that the trinitarian God is not found in the Bible are clearly biased and have no idea what they are talking about. Quite often, these people are Muslims as it doesn’t fit in with what the Prophet revealed. But having studied the Bible in depth, it’s ludicrous to question the validity of the Trinity when it’s there to be found in both the Old and the New Testaments. I suggest Muslims should educate themselves on Christianity by studying the Bible, not just the Quran before making such uneducated and false statements about a religion that they know very little about.
Don’t make yourself a laughing stock if you ain’t got it, sonny.
I think you should heed your own advice. Millions of brilliant Catholic, Christian and lay scholars throughout the centuries have had no issues with the trinitarian concept of God, based on Christian tradition and scripture. Just because it doesn’t fit into the Islamic belief, many Muslims will go to great lengths to make things up to suit their false view of the Christian God. Muslims are clearly the the ones that most people laugh at re this issue.
Wah Lao! Millions of Christian scholars ah! Come from where?
Look sonny, let me ask you a fitting question about false views: 11 + 11 = ?
Fine. Whatever ‘dajjal’ may mean. So are you saying Utusan is not dajjal, hence no action needs to be taken by the authorities despite the seditious nature of some of its news?
Through his writings and by looking at his facial features, Ridhuan Tee is one true Muslim and patriot.
Does it mean that a ‘true Muslim and patriot’ is free to make seditious and offensive statements?
He is talking about the greatest 5000 years of civilizations. Be proud bnm. Be proud.
Macam mana Zulkifli Sulong boleh join TMI. Berniaga di pasar malam lagi baik.
ABU for Putrajaya!!!
A clear case of double standards. While actions are taken against TMI by the authorities, why no such action taken against mainstream media owned by BN like Utusan?
lu tau baca ka tatau???
Baca apa?
Any honest journalism student, anywhere in the world, can see that TMI is off the rockers.
This morning the real culprits (Ho & Jahabar) were arrested. While no doubt coming down hard on MI is the right move and should be applauded, I think this only shows the weakness in the BN govt’s response to the cyber attacks by PR and pro-PR media.
MCMC should have acted on MI,MKini, etc long time ago for their blatant disregards to truth and even complying with the most basic journalistic ethics and standards.
Now that the Police had acted under the Sedition Act, this will no doubt seized by PR and their foreign buddies as another example of BN’s repressive rule.
CIJ, another PR lap dog, claims that the arrest is an assault on rule of law. I wonder what law they are referring too, may be the UK or the American ones. Certainly Sedition Act is still in force, unless their heads are buried in sands.
‘CIJ, another PR lap dog’ ‘their heads are buried in sands’
I like the picture a lot!
I’m glad you did!
Lionel Morais, whom I used to know, must be pissing in his pants now.
Very interesting.
#Germanwings #ThePerksOfBeingWhite
Read more: http://theantimedia.org/media-treatment-of-germanwings-co-pilot-sparks-theperksofbeingwhite-hashtag/
Islam1st, comment bro.
#ketuananWhite24/7
The recent Amos Yee rantings are similar to the rantings of NameWee and the sex blogger. Loud mouth youths.
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/293768
“A Singapore teenager has been charged with harassment and insulting a religious group for comments he made on social media about former premier Lee Kuan Yew and Christians soon after Lee’s death, authorities said today.”
Just look at the hypocrisy of the commenters at Malaysiakini.
MatiLoh Obviously from a well to do family but parents not done their roles effectively. “Bo Ka Si” in Singapore Hokkien.
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Lonely MidnightSun Stupid full. Stupid enough to be make used of.Articulated? Everything is scripted. Young??? So? Don’t know the consequence of his action. Heard about suicide bombers as young as 8 or 9 years old? They also don’t know the consequence of their action? Spoilt brat in
It is not OK to poke fun at LKY but I noticed it is certainly OK to poke fun at Najib (Through cartoons and kangkung). Again the Islamphobia. The boy poked fun at Christianity but what has suicide bombers got to do with Amos Yee?
Amos Yee has the excuse of youth and immaturity on his side. What’s these people’s excuse?
http://parpukari.blogspot.com/2015/03/panas-berapi-speaker-dun-perak-wajib.html
There is a time and place for protests. I don’t think the opening of the DUN by the newly crowned Sultan is such a time or place. This is beyond kurang ajar.
re: “Amos Yee has the excuse of youth and immaturity …”
You don’t think that his assessment of the Christians is insightful?
Christianity on a world level is not the religion that is viewed as being the fanatical one, the one that incites violence and the one that is unreasonable. Your hatred towards Christianity clearly appears to be deep rooted in your personal agenda, and is truly pathetic in my eyes, as you have lost any sense of objectivity in your writings. I never wanted to believe this, but am now starting to wonder if you are a paid BN cyber-trooper. I hope that I am wrong.
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Does making an unfounded allegation (character assassination of me) make your own argument any more convincing?
Let’s see whether the 16-year-old Amos Yee is being objective about the Christians in Singapore.
The teenager said in his YouTube video:
– “Christians seem to be a really big fan of him [Lee Kuan Yew]”.
– “They’re both power hungry and malicious but deceive others into thinking that they are compassionate and kind.”
– “Their impact and legacy will ultimately not last as more and more people find out that they’re full of bull.”
– “And Lee Kuan Yew’s followers are completely delusional and ignorant, and have absolutely no sound logic or knowledge about him that is grounded in reality – which Lee Kuan Yew very easily manipulates similar to the Christian knowledge of the Bible and the work of a multitude of priests.”
I believe the readers in this forum will be able to objectively evaluate Amos Yee’s observations above about the evangelistas in Singapore.
Other videos about Christianity by Amos Yee
1. Cheery Bible Tales Of Christmas
2. Refuting Christians With Their Own Christian Bible
He is becoming a Namewee of Singapore.
More Amos Yee news
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/youtuber-amos-yee-charged/1758018.html
“YouTuber Amos Yee charged, bail set at S$20,000”
“Yee, 16, was on Tuesday charged with multiple offences, including Section 289 of the Penal Code for “deliberate intention of wounding the religious or racial feelings of any person”.
“The Court also granted him a bail amount set at S$20,000, under the condition that he will not post, upload or otherwise distribute any comment or content, whether directly or indirectly, to any social media or online service or website, while the current case against him is ongoing. The amount has been posted, and Yee is out on bail.”
If you look at his “LKY is Finally dead video” at minute 4.23
You will find that Malaysia has the lowest poverty rate in the chart (3.8%) as compared to Singapore a whooping 28%.
We may have lower wages but can try to make ends meet. In Singapore, with a super strong dollar and super high wages people can’t make ends meet.
Is this kind of life what we want? For those LKY lovers who hate Malaysia and wish Malaysia was more like Singapore, please MIGRATE! No wonder many Singapore Apeks and Amah go to Malaysian Nursing Homes. Hmmm, if Singapore is so superior why does these Apek and Amahs want to mati here? Why do so many Singaporeans want to buy homes in Penang? Pan gi ma (murah!)
See even a teenager can see it clearly. But many in Penang are too blind to see.
Yes please MIGRATE, aiya tambak johor tol ku lui nia???
Helen’s now appealing to a 16 year old to justify her own prejudices. Really sad.
And FYI Helen, Christians exist throughout the world, not just in Singapore and Malaysia. And you will find the Christian countries lead the world in terms of aid and human rights. It’s no secret many from the East are desperately trying to migrate to the Christian West, and not the other way round.
Have you ever heard of Hans Christian Andersen’s The Emperor’s New Clothes?
All the sycophants and courtiers told the emperor what a beautiful gold robe he was wearing. A little boy pointed out the truth that the emperor was naked.
As for Amos Yee’s observation, he’s speaking from the Singapore experience – the place that gave birth to the City Harvest Church.
The developments in Singapore are the closest in parallel to Malaysia’s. Same demography (urban and suburban Chinese) and same ethos (Gospel of Prosperity) peddled by the same carpetbaggers (lay preachers in the evangelical churches).
I agree with Amos’ take on LKY. If he had replaced LKY with Mahathir, it would be just as accurate…
And mister, exactly how is that a similitude to your brain?
Revisiting the early days of modern Singapore’s political leadership:
http://therealsingapore.com/content/how-lee-kuan-yew-stole-democracy-lim-chin-siong-and-people-singapore
I’ve lived in Islamic Malaysia, and have also lived in Christian Australia and New Zealand. I certainly know which countries shows more compassion to its citizens, respect for their human rights, and contributes more in foreign aid. It certainly isn’t Malaysia.
Christian Australia?
Bro, you got facts wrong. Your comment will anger my Australians. There is no official Church there!
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Australia
Religion in Australia is diverse. The Constitution of Australia of 1901 prohibits the Commonwealth government from establishing a church or interfering with the freedom of religion;
Jeff is waxing so lyrical about his fellow Christians in Oz and NZ.
Now wonder Hannah Yeoh would have given an arm and a leg to acquire an Aussie PR. Unfortunately for Hannah, Australia does not want her.
It’s so hypocritical of Hannah to dissuade young Malaysians from emigrating just because she herself is unable to make the cut.
You reach a point whereby you would rather live and contribute in a country that genuinely treats you as an equal, does not discriminate against you based on your race or creed, and respects your freedom of speech. Malaysia is a beautiful country that has been ruined by a semi dictatorship and many gullible citizens, so I think it’s a no brainier to pack up and leave if the opportunity arises.
You will be interested to know that the largest group amongst the overseas Malaysians that obtain foreign citizenships and discard their Malaysian ones are actually the Malays. Do a google search if you don’t believe me. Obviously the progressive Malays have had enough. Instead of worrying about the sedition act and the Christian minority etc, the brain drain overseas should be a more pressing issues to this clueless BN government.
re: “You reach a point whereby you would rather live and contribute in a country that genuinely treats you as an equal, does not discriminate against you based on your race or creed, and respects your freedom of speech.”
Very hypocritical of Hannah Yeoh. She failed to qualify for Australian permanent residence and so turns around and discourages other young people from emigrating.
DAP leaders like Hannah radicalize the Christians into becoming evangelistas so that their party and the opposition are strengthened by this very strong backing from a highly organized and sophisticated group.
The saturation support from non-Muslims and non-Malays allows the DAP politicians to gain and maintain their positions, which come with power and perks. Hannah tells the youth, “Don’t change your country, change your government.”
Yang Berhormats in the DAP attain their standing from being hypocrites and setting the Chinese on a collision course with the Malays (look at the level of race tensions in Malaysia today) and from pitting the Christians against Muslims – see the Sarawak state election in 2011 and the current campaign for the next one.
The Christians have a superiority complex and loudly denigrate hudud as barbaric and stone age. This Christian-Muslim friction is escalating into Christian-Islam conflict. All because – to borrow the description by Singapore’s 16-year-old Amos Yee – the DAP evangelista politicians are “power hungry and malicious” but hypocritically pretending that they’re full of love-love-love.
‘You reach a point whereby you would rather live and contribute in a country that genuinely treats you as an equal’
Great. Go talks to Australians. The country so huge pun takdak olang mau sembang sama lu meh??! What depa sulah bunuh semua aborigines meh??
I made the comment on youth and immaturity in relation to the comments mentioned by Mulan.
I think Amos Yee”s video shows him to be a smart individual, not very well-mannered (it’s too soon) but still really smart. His arguments are well put together and if the name he mentioned in that video was TDM or Najib and the religion Islam, he would become the youngest hero in the dapster line-up.
Yah, he’s a smart kid; probably John Oliver, Bill Maher or Jon Stewart were his idols too.
I predict Amos will be a great political adversary to PAP supporters when he reaches 18.
For such a young kid, his arguments are congruent and well researched.
Unlike our kids who after years of education can’t even speak proper English and Mandarin and no a single word of Malay. Even with an MBA they can’t even calculate the GST.
Apsal LKS mati jugak ke?!
MARINA MAHATHIR VS. KHALID ABU BAKAR
‘Why does IGP get to decide what’s seditious? Marina Mahathir asks after TMI 5 arrests’ – an article in The Malay Mail yesterday.
The news portal quoted Marina as saying, “Very sad day for media freedom, as limited as we already had. How come IGP gets to decide who is seditious and who is not?”
Well, if not the Inspector-General of Police, then who? After all, it is Khalid Abu Bakar who represents the power of the authorities as the country’s top law enforcement officer.
So yeah – to answer Marina’s question – indeed he gets to decide on THE INVESTIGATION of “who is seditious and who is not”. Being the PM’s consultant in NUCC, Marina ought really be more knowledgeable about these things.
Yup, the IGP decides on who the police want to investigate for sedition, the Attorney-General’s Chamber decides on whether to press charges while the court will decide on whether the accused is guilty or not.
And no, the arrest of Ho Kay Tat, Jahabar Sadiq and Gang is not a “[v]ery sad day for media freedom” as claimed by Marina. Not at all.
It is a day most welcomed as the agenda-driven TMI has been terrorizing Malaysians through their patently false reports, concocted from thin air, and their character assassination of innocent victims.
When contacted yesterday, Marina told The Malay Mail, “If the report is inaccurate, then there should be official statement on it. TMI would lose some credibility”.
The truth of the matter is, TMI simply refuses to correct their maliciously faked copy, even when the request comes from the Prime Minister’s Office itself.
Below are the PMO tweets on 25 March 2015 complaining about TMI’s deliberate misrepresentation of a part of the PM’s speech. TMI put words in Najib Razak’s mouth that he never uttered.
PMO statement:
If the PM himself is unable to obtain redress/correction from TMI for its deliberate misquote, then how would the rest of us mere mortals fare when we are bullied and smeared by the TMI lying and spinning machine?
It was widely reported that TMI had committed “suatu provokasi fitnah yang sangat jahat sekali ke atas institusi Kesultanan Melayu”.
According to a report in the Malaysia Aktif portal, the Council of Rulers expressed their “kemurkaan yang amat sangat”. See ‘Tindakan Tegas perlu dikenakan terhadap Portal Malaysia Insider’ article on 26 March 2015.
Malaysia Aktif reported that the Council had taken to task TMI for “mencemar ketinggian darjat dan martabat ke Bawah Duli-duli Yang Maha Mulia Sultan dan Raja-raja Melayu”.
The Keeper of the Rulers’ Seal proceeded to lodge a police report on March 26 saying that the TMI report is false.
Isma in its March 31 article pointed out that despite all the brouhaha, TMI still yet chose to display the false and malicious story in its website for a week. – “Sehingga berita ini ditulis TMI terus mengekalkan laporan mengaitkan Majlis Raja-Raja dengan hudud dalam ruangan ‘MOST READ THIS WEEK’.”
The Malay Mail story further quoted Marina as saying that the “heavy-handedness makes people sympathise with TMI, especially since it’s the latest in a long line of arrests”.
It also said that Marina believes, “If you arrest people for voluntarily coming forward to aid in investigations, what incentive is there ever to help the police?”
Those who sympathise would sympathise regardless. Even after TMI‘s credibility has been torn to shreds, it makes no difference simply because some Malaysians are so partial and partisan due to the ABU-ABU-ABU politics that they’ve lost their moral compass.
Marina’s statement on “what incentive is there ever to help the police?” is certainly typical of her ‘Liberal Doses’ persona.
She is now going on a Twitter overdrive tweeting her support for press freedom vis-à-vis TMI.
The crux of the matter is not the freedom of the press. TMI, which has a long track record of cheating and lying is no paragon of press freedom.
In fact, TMI‘s abuse of the media went so far as to include the publication of a doctored photo that cast the PAS president in a bad light. A banner carried during a recent ‘Free Anwar’ demo was Photoshopped to say “Undur Hadi” when the actual wording had referred to somebody else.
And Marina seems to harbour double standards. Freedom of the press was not on her mind when she was so very quick to sue Isma for linking her – in her capacity as a director in Sisters in Islam – to the Comango faith freedom initiative.
In fact, Marina also threatened to sue any website or blog that reproduced the Isma flyer which had her name on it.
The issue with TMI is misrepresentation and defamation. Its editors were hauled up to be investigated on the charge of publishing seditious material that has the tendency “to bring into hatred or contempt or to excite disaffection” against the Rulers.
Pakatan media have been spinning as if there was only a careless and forgivable mistake contained in the TMI article. This is so sneaky.
The entire TMI article is a complete fabrication. Our nine Sultans, Raja and Yamtuan Besar have rebutted the article as false.
Hence Marina’s Bangsar Malaysia posturing against the IGP does her no credit.
It’s Marina-0, IGP-1, I’m afraid.
Most the urban readers, particularly the oppo-friendly, see this TMI issue as one that concerned freedom of speech/press. TMI should be taken to task for publishing lies.
But the majority of the non-urban (kampung, if you will) people see this as “derhaka”, not of the Jebat variety, but still biadap towards the royal institution. This is viewed in light of all the other biadap attitude towards the institution, which must surely indicate that more are questioning the position of royalty in the constitution. It has been going on since before GE13 and it’s getting worse because the authorities seemed to be unable to act on this.
I read some comments that said action should be taken on TMI for defamation. Surely, people do not expect the Royal institution to file a civil suit for defamation. The fact that the Keeper of the Rulers’ Seal had to file a police report is already laughable. Is the Royal Institution like a regular office that they need to file police reports? Isn’t it the duty of the government of the day to safeguard the position of the Royal Institution in the Constitution?
Maybe we who live in the non-urban areas are not as suave and polished as people think but we at least know and hold sacred the constitution.
re: “Surely, people do not expect the Royal institution to file a civil suit for defamation.”
I think the same as you.
We have the Sedition Act and it specifically protects the monarchy. The IGP is acting according to the letter of the law.
re: The IGP is acting according to the letter of the law.
While most people look at the TMI issue in the context of the article itself, not many look into the manner the TMI issue is handled by the police.
Why the IGP considered the TMI article as seditious? The content of the article didn’t incite the public to overthrow/abolish the monarchy. At most the article is tantamount to false reporting (a lesser crime).
Even if the article is indeed seditious, why the IGP didn’t take similar actions on other mainstream media or pro-government personalities/politicians that have made equally seditious news or statements. I don’t need to give names here. Faham-faham lah. Clear case of double standards.
I don’t recall anyone else in recent times who had fitnah the Raja-Raja Melayu and prompting the Penyimpan Mohor Besar to lodge a police report against them.
You don’t think it’s a very serious matter when the Keeper of the Royal Seal on behalf of the nine Rulers makes a complaint to the police? When was the last time that you can remember all nice Rulers up in arms against a culprit?
If you’ll read the Sedition Act, it expressly protects the Rulers from such “mencemar martabat” attacks.
You are right. Rulers are protected under the Sedition Act 1948. If you refer to section 3(e), ‘seditious tendency’ is defined as:
“to promote feelings of ill will and hostility between different races or classes of the population of Malaysia”.
Rulers are not the only class that enjoy the protection under the Act. Other classes such as the various ethnics also enjoy the same.
Why the lack of police action under the section above against pro-government personalities that have made such seditious statements or news in the context of ‘pendatang, tutup sekolah vernakular, bakar kitab, tutup kuil etc’?
Again I stress my point here. Police acted in a double standard manner. They are fast to take action on anti-government personalities under the Act but not on pro-government personalities.
What is so objectionable about the word “pendatang”? Would you prefer that they be called “penjelma”, like materializing from thin air instead of emigrating from China and India?
Asking for vernacular school to be closed is not seditious. Read the judgment on the Mark Koding case.
As for “bakar Al-Kitab”, that’s sensationalizing by the pro-Christian media. Tun who was present at the event where Ibrahim Ali said that has vouched for its context, i.e. if the Malay students bring back such a copy (Malay Bible that uses the ‘Allah’ word), then their parents should dispose of it by burning.
He did not ask a rabble to go out and snatch any/all Bibles to be thrown into a bonfire. It is precisely media like TMI through their incendiary “burn Bibles” reporting that have inflamed religious passions.
re: Mark Koding
Ok. Agree that “Asking for vernacular school to be closed is not seditious.”
re: pendatang, bakar kitab
Sedition Act does not take into account the intention of the statement maker. No intention and real impact arising from the statement need to be establish under sedition. Read Section 3(3):
It basically provides that “the intention of the person charged at the time he did or attempted (the seditious statement) shall be deemed to be irrelevant if in fact the act had, or would, if done, have had, or the words, publication or thing had a seditious tendency.” (the real provision is too long to be cited here)
Read together with Section 3(1)(c):
A “seditious tendency” is a tendency—
(c) to promote feelings of ill will and hostility between different races or classes of the population of Malaysia; or
Take the example of ‘bakar kitab’ statement. My opinion:
1. No actual kitab needs to be burned in order to consider the statement as seditious.
2. Subsequent clarification by the statement maker is ineffective to negate/deny the content of the original statement.
3. Not necessary to prove that there were Christians that were offended by the statement.
4. Just need to look at the wordings of the statement and see whether the statement has a “seditious tendency”.
It is my opinion that the statement of ‘bakar kitab’ is seditious. Not Mahathir, police or minister can exonerate the statement maker. The least the police can do is to investigate the case, pass the papers to AG for prosecution and let the court to decide according to the law. The statement maker can defend himself at court. It is the court that can absolve the statement maker.
Problem is we have selective prosecution and double standard. The police, minister and even the AG had already absolved the statement maker by refusing to proceed further. The due process of law does not take place.
I’ve always thought the Sedition Act was a bad law and not something I can endorse in principle.
But then you have dajjal like TMI. Much as I’ve complained about the loyalty of The J-Star and its inclination towards the DAP, at least I’ve never said the nestlings are dajjal and neither has the J-Star ever done anything like what TMI did to Mukhriz or Majlis Fatwa.
Using the flow of your guidelines, I can say:
1. No actual proof of lost votes needs to be furnished in order to consider the TMI fitnah against Muhriz as damaging.
2. Subsequent apology by the news portal is ineffective to negate/deny the purpose of the original fitnah to damage Mukhriz’s reputation and hence the support (votes) for him in the Umno election.
3. Not necessary to prove that there were Umno delegates that were persuaded, i.e. who believed the TMI false report.
4. Just need to look at the wordings of the false allegation published in the TMI about Mukhriz and see whether the statement has a tendency and intent to damage Mukhriz’s chances in the Umno election.
TMI is more than guilty going by the above. They are diabolical.
If we did not have such TMI types in Malaysia, then we would not need a Sedition Act.
re: …… Sedition Act was a bad law
Whether it is good or bad, as long as the law is valid we need to accept the reality. Law will appear in statute books. It is the authority that will enforce it. Problem is we have selective enforcement.
re: Using the flow of your guidelines
No Helen. The guideline is meant for sedition cases. Not applicable for ‘TMI fitnah Mukhriz’ case. Simply because Mukhriz is not a protected class under the Sedition Act. The Act protects royalty, Islam, various ethnics etc. It does not protect politicians or parties. That was why no action by authority. Mukhriz had to initiate his own action to demand apology from TMI. There is a difference between sedition and libel/defamation/slander.
Same case like the various news reports made by Utusan that attracted PR politicians to sue. These reports were directed at specific personalities not protected under the Act. Read Section 3 of the Act for the definition of ‘seditious tendency’. Utusan has in fact published several reports that maybe seditious such as ‘apa lagi cina mau’, ‘tubuh negara kristian’ etc. Unfortunately, there is no action by the authorities.
re: then we would not need a Sedition Act.
We can have any law as long as the law is enforced fairly.
BTW, TMI issued an apology. I refer to this specific paragraph:
The Harian Metro article had the headline “Masih boleh di bawa” and the sub-heading “Penolakan Majlis Raja Melayu hanya isu teknikal”. (“Can still be tabled – Rejection by Conference of Rulers only a technical issue”)
The Harian Metro article was based on an interview with Kelantan Deputy Menteri Besar Datuk Mohd Amar Nik Abdullah who said: “Ia di tarik balik kerana ada isu teknikal saja. Saya di maklumkan pihak Majlis Raja Raja mahu perkara in di perhalusi terlebih dahulu”.
Looks like Harian Metro published the same article as TMI, the content being ‘Rulers rejected Hudud’. I am unable to search the said HM article. Can you assist to verify?
re: …… Sedition Act was a bad law
re: “Whether it is good or bad, as long as the law is valid we need to accept the reality.”
Correct. So as long as sedition is in the statute books, the TMI editors should be locked up for three years because they have clearly been seditious against the monarchs. It’s an iron-clad case.
re: “… Mukhriz is not a protected class under the Sedition Act. The Act protects royalty, Islam, various ethnics etc. It does not protect politicians or parties.”
The Sedition Act protects against bringing into hatred or contempt or to excite disaffection against any Ruler or any Government. Mukhriz is the Menteri Besar of Kedah, head of a state government albeit in the Umno elections, he was in his capacity as Umno member.
re: “Mukhriz had to initiate his own action to demand apology from TMI.
The Rulers need not initiate their own action in a civil court to demand apology from TMI for defamation as they’re protected by the Sedition Act. The TMI issue is not about “freedom of the press”. It’s about telling an outright lie against the Rulers – that’s how the IGP sees it.
re: “There is a difference between sedition and libel/defamation/slander.”
So to revert to the case of the Rulers, the charge of sedition (as long as the law is still valid), is correct while asking the Rulers to sue for libel as the Dapsters are arguing is redundant given their Highnesses’ stature.
re: “Utusan has in fact published several reports that maybe seditious such as ‘apa lagi cina mau’, ‘tubuh negara kristian’ etc. Unfortunately, there is no action by the authorities.”
“Apa lagi Cina mau” may be offensive but is it seditious? On the other hand, TMI clearly fabricated an event that did not take place according to the statement by the Council of Rulers.
re: “We can have any law as long as the law is enforced fairly.”
I do not want the Sedition Act. It’s too arbitrary.
re: “The Harian Metro article had the headline “Masih boleh di bawa” and the sub-heading “Penolakan Majlis Raja Melayu hanya isu teknikal”. (“Can still be tabled – Rejection by Conference of Rulers only a technical issue”)
They’re spinning as usual. Kalau tak spin, namanya bukan TMI.
re: “The Harian Metro article was based on an interview with Kelantan Deputy Menteri Besar Datuk Mohd Amar Nik Abdullah who said:’Ia di tarik balik kerana ada isu teknikal saja. Saya di maklumkan pihak Majlis Raja Raja mahu perkara in di perhalusi terlebih dahulu’.”
Harian Metro spoke to an actual person on record and who is named. Sources story can be pure concoction.
In the case of TMI, they even spun what Dr Maza said about hudud. TMI is dajjal. See, http://www.harakahdaily.net/index.php/berita-utama/34550-hudud-hati-hati-portal-berita-tertentu-pesan-dr-asri
re: “Looks like Harian Metro published the same article as TMI, the content being ‘Rulers rejected Hudud’. I am unable to search the said HM article. Can you assist to verify?”
Looks like TMI can’t stop spinning. Dajjal betoi.
http://www.ismaweb.net/2015/04/agenda-tersembunyi-di-sebalik-permohonan-maaf-the-malaysian-insider/
http://www.malaysia-today.net/is-the-malaysian-insider-on-a-crusade-against-hudud/
re: the TMI editors should be locked up for three years
I am not defending the TMI article. Anyway, the due legal process has already taken. Let TMI defends itself at court in the event of prosecution.
What I am questioning here is the double standards of the police. No action is taken on pro-government personalities that have made/uttered seditious statements. What the police did is merely recording the statements from these personalities. Thereafter, NFA – No Further Action.
re: The Rulers need not initiate their own action in a civil court to demand apology from TMI for defamation as they’re protected by the Sedition Act.
You are right on the position of the Sedition Act.
re: I do not want the Sedition Act. It’s too arbitrary.
Section 3(1)(a) provides:
…… to bring into hatred or contempt or to excite disaffection against any Ruler or against any Government;
In fact, any rakyat that complain against the implementation of GST, increase of petrol price and water cuts can be deemed to be seditious under the Act.
Can’t help you if you fail to see the bigger picture. This is a portal that falsely lay some statements at the door of the ROYAL INSTITUTION without even consulting with the institution. Tis is not just false reporting. This is attacking the royal institution.
I don’t know but I think part of the problem is because they are collectively called Majlis Raja-Raja Melayu. Maybe that’s why some Malaysians fail to see their position in the constitution as the head of the Federation but instead only see the word Melayu which is anathema to them.
In this context of “attacking” the royal institution, I think we can safely say it’s only been done by TMI and no other media organisation.
re: “This is a portal that falsely lay some statements at the door of the ROYAL INSTITUTION … This is attacking the royal institution.”
They also, through their false imputation to Karpal Singh’s death, caused the Majlis Fatwa to be maligned over its “RIP” advice.
And they blatantly doctored the demo banner to say “Undur Hadi”. This dastardly Photoshop is slandering the PAS supporters who carried the banner b’cos the real banner that they were holding did not say that.
Such is the malicious track record of the dajjal TMI that respects no ethical boundaries in their pursuit of ‘regime change’.
re: “I think we can safely say it’s only been done by TMI and no other media organisation.”
Only TMI is capable of doing all its other defamation like fitnah against Mukhriz, Tun, Tajuddin, and many others who do not have the resources to take on this big dajjal bully. Even a request for redaction/correction by the PM’s office was ignored by TMI.
This hubris of the TMI has developed b’cos they’ve been allowed to get away with their defamation for too long. With the rulers, the case is iron-clad. Time to draw a line in the sand and shut down the pro-Christian spin machine.
I’m hoping the police will pursue this to the end.
http://politikputramerdeka.blogspot.com/2015/04/senang-ajer-komunis-minta-maaf.html
That apology, ikut kata pepatah cuma melepaskan batuk di tangga. It took them almost 2 weeks to issue an apology and that is one crap apology.
Yeah, and the CEO even rubbed it in on how S’pore and Jakarta picked up the TMI fake story, and this is AFTER the complaint and uproar.
TMI-dajjal spread their lies abroad like how its fake RIP fatwa on Karpal slander was picked up by Aussie papers.
I am not sure if you folks noticed this interesting letter by DAP leaders stating their former job as reporters. No wonder even the MSM media today is crawling with Dapsters.
http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/293845
1. Lim Kit Siang (DAP parliamentary leader, former journalist of Singapore Straits Times);
2. Chow Kon Yeow (exco member, Penang, former journalist of The Star);
3. Ng Wei Aik (MP for Tanjong, former journalist of Nanyang Siang Pau);
4. Lee Kee Hiong (state assemblyperson for Kuala Kubu Baru, former journalist of Tong Bao);
5. Wong May Ing (state assemblyperson for Pantai Remis, former journalist of Oriental Daily);
6. Wong Shu Qi (state assemblyperson for Senai, former journalist of Merdeka Review);
7. Medaline Chang She Yun (DAP Wanita publicity secretary, former sub-editor at Star Publications).
Betty Chew worked once at Utusan. LGE used to wait for her for dating there. Source wong chun wai.
http://wongchunwai.com/2013/03/the-stars-humble-beginnings-were-in-pitt-street-and-so-were-the-writers/
Betty Chew, the wife of Penang Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng, was also an intern at the Penang office as a student from Universiti Sains Malaysia.
Betty also did an internship at the Malacca office of Utusan Malaysia. As fate would have it, she would hang out at The Star’s Malacca office which was nearby to the State government buildings. It was in that office that our then Malacca bureau chief M. Veera Pandiyan introduced her to Guan Eng, who was also a regular visitor to office.
Moral of the story: No Utusan, no Betty Chew as Mrs LGE.
Thanks Ah Wong
Thanks Mulan – interesting indeed. I wonder what the Tokong was doing at the Star office and why Veera introduced Betty to him.
Moral of the story. Takes the Utusan money and bitch about ‘them’ at The Star.
If one were to see the innane comments that filled the CNA’s website during the 1 week period of mourning in Spore. The 2 posts bout the arrival of PM Najib to pay his respects & the Mahathir interview bout his rship with LKy drew especially venomous comments from mainly chinese netizens.
Most of them likely Msian Chinese with a smattering of Sporean chinese. Its all about how much better as a leader Lky was not taking into account the difference in size n population. How they wished Msia had a leader like Lky now instead of Najib.
Is that not ironic? A leader like Lky would probably sue the pants of the Opposition for their lies n halfTruths and most likely haul their asses to prison for a loooong time. And he would definately not tolerate those silly useless demos the Pakatan seem to love.
“A leader like Lky would probably sue the pants of the Opposition …”
No, not sue la. More like lock them up under ISA and throw away the key.
“We have to lock up people, without trial, whether they are communists, whether they are language chauvinists, whether they are religious extremists. If you don’t do that, the country would be in ruins.”
– Lee Kuan Yew, 1986
And compare that to what he espoused pre-independence.
“If it is not totalitarian to arrest a man and detain him, when you cannot charge him with any offence against any written law – if that is not what we have always cried out against in Fascist states – then what is it?… If we are to survive as a free democracy, then we must be prepared, in principle, to concede to our enemies – even those who do not subscribe to our views – as much constitutional rights as you concede yourself.”
– Opposition leader Lee Kuan Yew, Legislative Assembly Debates, Sept 21, 1955
I am in Singapore for a business trip and the front page news in the Straits Times news was the arrest of the TMI five. The ST as a matter of factly stated that the govt has been arresting more than 100 people who had been critical of Najib. How this can be published with the Malaysian High Commission protesting, I don’t know. I bet that if any Malaysian newspaper say anything bad about Singapore, the HC will immediate respond the same day ensuring their replies are published immediately. Our HC is sleeping while Dapters in Singapore expand the anti-BN propaganda to the city state. Their coverage of GST and 1MDB issues was also highly skewed.
The moment I reached office, everyone including non Singaporeans was asking me about 1MDB and the missing money. Just imagine the power of PR propaganda.
Business Times also wrote on the same issue, but was much more objective and measured. No attempt to spin the story.
Well the rules only applied to others not them. If what they doing is wrong then it is okay. It is the freedom of expression, speach and whatever devil’s do will be permitting of the devil’s supporting them. But if others do the same, it is racism and immediately need to be execute if possible kills.
Calvin, perhaps you can return the favour and ask them what has happened to the Singaporeans’ CPF retirement funds which had been channeled away to the Temasek Investment Company and the Government of Singapore Investment Corporation Pte. Ltd. (GIC) – during the past four decades? Why workers today are not allowed to fully withdraw their CPF savings at 55 yrs of age? Why Singapore is so supportive of the Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA)?
As for the independence of Singapore Straits Times, “World Press Freedom Index” ranks Singapore at a low no.153 out of 180 countries worldwide.
Haha…I think the Singaporeans are well aware of the issue of CPF. In fact it is one of their main grouses. I am not upset with the Singaporeans but just pointing out how the PR propaganda machine is able to exert such influence even beyond the country’s borders while the govt agencies and embassies are just letting it happen.
In the case of TMI, they even spun what Dr Maza said about hudud. TMI is dajjal. See, http://www.harakahdaily.net/index.php/berita-utama/34550-hudud-hati-hati-portal-berita-tertentu-pesan-dr-asri
Betoi Helen, saya baca artikel tu kat blog Dr Maza sendiri to verify. Memang macam langit dengan bumi jadinya. Habis semua orang marah kat Dr Maza lepas tu. Memang licik…pastu minta maaf tapi sempat lagi nak tuduh orang double standard la, nak heret orang lain sekali memang jahat gila TMI!
Portal yang tak leh buang tabiat jahatnya wajar ditutup saje. Masih Ops Lalang tu The Star pun digantung pihak berkuasa kerana merupakan ancaman kepada negara.
Pemimpin-pemimpin geraja pun ditangkap ISA tatkala operasi keselamatan tersebut.
Helen komen sikit artikel ni…nampak gaya Malay gomen lagi ke kat Selangor pulak??
http://www.malaysia-today.net/how-the-next-selangor-mb-could-be-from-pas/
It’ll be like the current Perak BN gomen – 30 Malay Aduns, one Chinese (MCA).
Johor is also quite close to the above Malay-dominance format wrt its BN state gomen despite Johor being a mixed or multiracial state.
Eventually, the whole peninsula will be like that with the Chinese dominating the opposition and controlling Penang.
The article also says the Cinas will start undi MCA then, too minimize the Malay-Muslim effect, will they Helen, you think?
Not in Selangor, no. They’ve tasted two terms of Pakatan rule and having DAP sit in the Speaker’s chair, and previously hogging Selangor Times.
In 1999 and 2004, DAP had only two and one Adun respectively in Selangor. Today the party has 15. The Chinese’s anti-establishment attitude has very much hardened over the last decade.
Clarify my comment above:
DAP is part of the establishment in Selangor while Umno is the opposition (no MCA or Gerakan Aduns in S’gor).
So what I meant by the Chinese’s “anti” attitude is their behaviour such as wearing black in order to boycott the official Adun uniform and songkok recently at Perak assembly as well as other disrespect/hostility shown to Malay customs and Islam with their elevation of Christianity to rival the Religion of the Federation in the government arena and public domain.
e.g.
Khalid Ibrahim officiated the Selangor celebration of Christmas on a grand scale. Don’t recall Umno’s Selangor past Menteris Besar – Muhammad Muhammad Taib, Abu Hassan Omar or Khir Toyo – ever doing such a thing.
https://helenang.wordpress.com/2013/01/06/sambutan-krismas-khalid-ala-city-harvest/
Babi masuk kampung, Melayu kena serang, Cina dapat laba…2.0
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2015/04/06/penang-govt-warned-on-nipah-virus-menace/
What does this url link got to do with TMI and Fatwa Council?
Kredibiliti sudah kaput, TMI should starts hiring these local researchers soon before they bungkus or dibungkuskan!
‘According to the article, Malaysian researchers submit approximately 24,000 academic articles annually, compared to Singapore’s 16,000.
Thailand was third, ahead of Indonesia with its 3,000 articles per year, the Philippines (1,000) and Laos (below 500)
– See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/malaysian-academics-surprisingly-beat-thais-singaporeans-for-research-paper#sthash.dLbo2qe7.dpuf
Dr OKM and Zairil pasti akan meroyan lagi lepas ni…
They will spin. Out of the 24,000, 23,909 was done by their own and the other 80 by the the third race and the reminder by the sons and daughters of the soil!
Don’t believe wait till TMI pick up the story.
TMI should learn from this kid. If you are going to lie/spin, do it with panache. That boy has got style. That was the best April Fool joke for the year.
http://www.astroawani.com/kini-trending/hadiah-april-fools-khas-buat-pelajar-yang-dakwa-jual-aplikasi-kepada-google-56987