Updated 11.20am – SHOW & TELL: how Bitter & Resentful sounds like, see Malaysiakini reader comments on Facebook, below (click ‘Comment’)
‘Bidding farewell to Malaysia‘, an article yesterday by Dina Zaman in TMI is hot trending – garnering 25,000 Facebook shares so far.
Dina writes about Daphne Lim and Saranee Joseph (not their real names) who surrendered their Malaysian citizenship amid our climate of race and religious tensions, and are now Singaporeans.
ABOVE: They just can’t stop slagging Muhyiddin’s Malayness (28 July 2012 tweet by DAP Subang Jaya)
Daphne Lim is quoted by TMI columnist Dina as saying she is “glad to be rid of the political negativity in Malaysia”, and that renouncing her citizenship was “never an issue”, especially since the “opportunities and benefits” in the island republic are what she and her children can’t get over here.
Lim also told Dina, “I knew that one day, I would no longer be Malaysian”.
Joseph, meanwhile, noted that a few of her former classmates “had become bitter at not being able to fulfil their potential in Malaysia”.
Haters gonna hate
Isn’t it so much better to be honest and upfront about their burning desire to leave the country rather than pretending to be the most patriotic Bangsa Malaysia-Malaysian Firsters?
Yet some hypocrites like Hannah Yeoh can even make a 180-degree turn into Anak Malaysia (see her 3 Dec 2010 tweet below) after their own application for Permanent Residence (PR) in a foreign country – in her case, Tasmania Australia – was rejected.
Ubah – ini kali lah
Do tell me, what about Madame Speaker isn’t fake?
She pleads to the DAP vote bank “don’t lose hope. Don’t change ur country, change ur govt!” when she herself attempted to change her residency (leading to eventual citizenship) from Subang Jaya to somewhere in the boondocks of Australia.
Isn’t the truth of the matter that they’re always agitating for change – UBAH this and UBAH that.
See, ‘Hannah in AFP interview: “How extreme can you be”?‘
Toxic people poisoning our country
But despite that the Dapster evangelistas want to up-end almost everything – particularly Articles 3, 152, 153 and 160 of the Federal Constitution – that make up the basic structure of Malaysia, Hannah still has the gall to declare most disingenuously to her twits “don’t change your country”.
When they’re unable to budge the pillars cemented into our constitutional foundation, these bitter Malaysians incessantly attack and tirelessly try to dismantle and tear down everything Malay and Islamic that is making them so resentful.
And then they turn around and accuse the majority population of being racist and extreme.
Well, since the evangelistas believe themselves to be super-talented and near geniuses (they claim that their departure would cause a “brain drain”), I’m sure that some Christian country somewhere will be willing to roll out the red carpet for them.
What the PMO’s TalentCorp programme is presently doing, i.e. offering carrots for the Dapsters to return, is a sheer waste of time and resources.
TalentCorp should instead help with the talent transfer and facilitate their relocation to the recipient First World – for a fee, of course. If TalentCorp is unable to reinvent its present business model, then I strongly suggest that the unit close shop.
136 thoughts on “Bitter and resentful M’sians should emigrate”
Good riddance. When will the other firsters follow suit? The more the better and merrier.
Personally i had enough with their holier than thou and i-know-it-all attitude.
May i suggest those two to stick working AND buying your groceries and household goods in singapore alone. Dont pandai2 go to JB on weekend and take advantage of lesser price of goods.
One more thing, be careful presenting yourself as a malaysian has been. I heard the natives there are very resentful towards has been like you for stealing their jobs.
Yes, a lot of Malaysians fulfilling their full potentials in Singapore by working as cooks, security guards, sales girls, cashiers, prostitutes, massage girls, drivers, production operators and other high calibre professions.
These people are pure economic opportunists and their migration is nothing to do with economic policies or politics.
Dina Zaman obviously doesn’t understand the mechanism of Singapore immigration policies. Malaysians cannot simply renounce their citizenship and become Singaporean overnight like buying a new pair of shoes. Singapore would not grant citizenship so easily.
Of course it greatly helps if you are Malaysian Chinese.
The way it works there is that the citizenship is given to ethnic Chinese from other countries as first priority to maintain the Ketuanan Cina. In selecting those Malaysians to be given citizenship, they will give priority to those who are married to Singaporeans. In this case Daphne was married to a Singaporean so she gets the citizenship easily. I very much doubt that it has anything to do with politics or policies.
As for Saranee, it is not easy for Malaysian Indians to be given citizenship unless you are a high ranking professional or married to a Singaporean for a long time. For non Chinese, even you are married to Singaporean, it can take a long long time to gain citizenship or you won’t get it at all unless in the case of Chinese. In case of Saranee, I think she must have been married and had kids before she was given the citizenship. I know many Malaysian Indians and Malays who married Singaporeans but denied citizenship even those they are already mothers and even grandmothers and their children/grandchildren are Singaporean.
People like Saranee can never get a good job in Singapore and I won’t be surprised if she ended up as guard or production operator. Dina should have probed deeper to find out what she is working as. But then this is MI, so you can expect such stupid and shallow and misleading pieces.
The funny thing is some Malaysians think it is OK to work as guards and operators in Singapore as it pays better than white collar jobs in Malaysia. So I wonder what better opportunities and “fulfilling their potential” actually means.
Guards and operators are to be looked down upon?
Says a lot about your mindset, doesn’t it?
Tell me, does your sarcasm extend to Malaysian Malay-Muslims who are working in Singapore as security guards, production operators, cleaners or fast food delivery staff?
Or are your acerbic comments targetted at Malaysian Chinese and Indians who have chosen to work in Singapore?
I personally know 2 Malaysian Malays who commute daily by motorbike across the Causeway to work as baristas in a Starbucks cafe in the eastern part of Singapore.
Are they “pure economic opportunists”? Or Malaysians struggling to put food on their families’ tables?
I have quite a number of friends who work in other countries. One of them resigned from MAS years ago and now a pilot with Emirate.
Another works as Engineer with Petronas and based in Sudan. When I visited Melbourne, I met my former colleague who migrated to Australia and in the process of renouncing Malaysian citizenship.
It is natural to work in other countries. Mostly for economic reasons. If a Malaysian is willing to commute from JB to Singapore daily to work there and earns Singapore Dollar, why not.
The issue is not about working in other countries. The issue is not also about migrating and renouncing citizenship. The problem is when you insult the country that you were born and bred .
I simply have no problem with people wanting to renounce citizenship. But do spare the insult on Malaysia.
“I am treated badly because I am not a Malay”
“My daughter did very well in SPM. But she did not get a scholarship simply because we are Chinese”.
” Meriticracy is not practised in Malaysia”.
“UMNO is racist. I cant stand it”.
” Malaysians(meaning Malays) are too raced based. Every document must have “race” column”.
AND THESE ARE MY ANSWERS.
By all mean, if Malaysia is that bad, then please leave. Please find a country that will shower you with love.
But before renouncing citizenship, do remember this. There is no vernacular schools in other countries such as Australia, UK, Canada, USA, UAE, singapore.
AND THERE IS NO TURNING BACK.
Just ask many Chinese from Penang who torn down their Malaysian passports in their dreams to be subject of Queen Elizabeth 11.
They end up being stateless
You know they don’t want or need vernacular schools if they’re migrating to a “white” country. After all they are trading up.
Not sure about it. Who says they do not need or do not want vernacular school. But the thing in other countries on this planet is that they adopt the law of human nature which is ‘ if you want to join in, you get to fit i”.
Only in Malaysia the very people who live in are expected to accomadate to newcomers
‘Only in Malaysia the very people who live in are expected to accomadate to newcomers’
And some ABU-DAP Cina had the gut to say stuff like the Chinese are the most adaptable species around. What? WTF?!
The Rithmatist….I apologise for my lack of response for your comments…I hope you understand my policy of not engaging in debates with idiots.
It takes one to recognise one?
‘These people are pure economic opportunists’
Tu la saya dah cakap sama ini Rithmatist, itu exchange rates tinggi maa. Tapi dia so butthurt. So sakit hati with the Malaysia so like any ABU-UBAH-INIKALILAH kakis dia meroyan tak habis!
Chill jangan butthurt sangat!
To those who wanted to go or had gone, goodluck and goodbye. Don’t waste you time condemning this country and praising other countries. Your bitterness will cause cancer to grow on you. Just go if you thing the grass is greener there. Did anybody stop you?
To those who are around, don’t be manipulated by politicians. Just look around. There are boundless opportunities. Put this question in your head.Have you ever take a good look down the long roads of each town in Malaysia and see for yourself the rows of shop houses and bungalows and ask “Who do all these belong?” Malays. Chinese or Indians? Majority belongs to who? How did they come to possess these?
Be truthful about it and you will feel blessed that you are still in Malaysia.
Remember, politicians will create lies and hatreds to get your votes and therefore power.
I know I sound sarcastic but could you define what you meant by high caliber professions ?
What is this? A sarcastic that do not get sarcasm…. A) a sarcasm spastic. B) a sarcastic with spasm.
Both are high calibre professions..
Whuuut? Still don’t get it…..
I like what temple of wisdom is saying…look and you shall see the truth or just say good bye. We will wave back as a sign of courtesy.
quote , Joseph ,meanwhile noted ,that few former classmate “had been bitter for not able to fulfill their potential in Malaysia”.
Malaysia , ‘Malaya then’ was highly potentials for those of their fatherlands in the early days, and of course the generation had do better and Malaysia ain’t fulfill their potentials anymore ,there’s no more thin mining and rubber taping wont suit them .
The world is big ,just hop around ,and keep on hopping ,they should landed somewhere .
It really is very simple. if your dont like this country and especially the non-Malays who keep on harping how the Malays are favoured and that the non-Malays are always discriminated against as if the non-Malays here are all constantly being put down and supressed, then just go down to that red dot and be its citizens. yes after all the Chinese there are treated better than the Malays and so I say good luck to such loosers.
Malaysia will be much better off without such kinds.
To me its good riddance.
Ms H. A person with a pimply and plump face was rejected by Australia – that person must have a downright nasty personality fit only for gutter politics.
I am eligible to emigrate to the United States and the United Kingdom at any time. Sometime ago, Canada was willing to give me permanent residency within a week. With Australia I could get a PR much later. I elected to stay in our beloved Malaysia.
I was a Singapore PR until I noticed it was a Godless Ultra Communist Political and Social Dictatorship imposed on its citizens by Apparatchiks aka Meritocrats. I ran off fast as I love my freedom !
“Dina writes about Daphne Lim and Saranee Joseph (not their real names) who surrendered their Malaysian citizenship amid our climate of race and religious tensions, and are now Singaporeans.”
No tensions in Singapore huh? The Little India riots show that Singapore is no free from race and religious tensions
If Daphne Lim and Saranee Jospeh want to give up their citizenship, let them. But Malaysia, please! Don’t give them back their citizenship once they find the artificial grass in Singapore is not as green as in Malaysia. We already have that Penang lang tearing up their passports in the UK and come back crawling.
‘We already have that Penang lang tearing up their passports in the UK and come back crawling.’
The Cina party DAP sibuk nak suruh Gomen kutip balik puak-puak tak sedar diri tu. Why. Because DAP is a Cina party. No two ways about it. The Malays yang masuk DAP, simply masuk Cina party. Tengok dia punya CEC cukup la. Ada Melayu meh??
They’re currently in chaos there. With JR @ the helm, the joke is that he’s hiding under someone’s skirt. The highly ambitious someone has been the face of TC to an extent with her numerous media appearance & high visibility at their functions.
Those working in upper management of MNCs would have encountered him at his clueless best as he would be asking the agenda just before or at the start of meetings. In fact it’s an almighty waste of time when we need to bring him up to speed when he could have done that by reading up on the prepared dossier prior to the meeting.
As for so-called talents migrating to seek their fortune elsewhere, all I can say is best of luck. Having been posted overseas between 2005-2013 I’ve found that Asians are beneath blacks in UK & are 3rd class citizens in Aus. While in HK & Singapore, they don’t exactly give a damn but can’t say life is better there with the high living costs & the never ending daily rush.
I jumped at the opportunity to return as the so called greener grass overseas is more often than not, a mirage that masks the unpleasantness that we only discover when we experience it.
Things can be shitty here at times but for me it is always home. We don’t abandon our loved ones when they’re in trouble do we?
Selfish people do that. Selfless people don’t. Politicians on the other hand, appear selfless while being selfish & reaping the benefits & perks that come with the position. Not all but most do anyway.
re: “Selfish people do that. Selfless people don’t. Politicians on the other hand, appear selfless while being selfish & reaping the benefits & perks that come with the position. Not all but most do anyway.”
Aiyah, don’t be coy lah. Just say out loud which politician it is you have in mind ,)
Kak Helen – not related but very important
I just want to say how pissed at JStar for confusing readers about Malaysia’s Fitch rating.
“Malaysia dodges a downgrade from Fitch; ringgit, stocks jump (Update 2)”
Wednesday, 1 July 2015
Dodges a downgrade! This means JStar says Malaysia would get a downgrade but was lucky!
In another article JStar says upgrade.
Malaysian ringgit leads Asian currencies’ gains on Fitch upgrade, erases 1MDB concerns(Update)
Wednesday, 1 July 2015
Another in JStar says “stable”
Published: Wednesday July 1, 2015 MYT 8:02:00 AM
Updated: Wednesday July 1, 2015 MYT 8:20:15 AM
Fitch revises Malaysia’s outlook to stable
I am really confused “downgrade” “stable” or “upgrade”? Did you notice all in the same day?
#limsiansee Tolong bagi pencerahan.
re: Dodges a downgrade!
Msia did ‘dodge a downgrade’ if Fitch really intended more than 50% chance of downgrading Malaysia.
The ‘upgrade’ is on the outlook. Previously ‘negative’. Now ‘stable’.
Fitch assesses the fiscal condition of a government/country. Msia is able to maintain the rating at the expense of rakyat:
1. Removal of fuel subsidy. This reduces the government expenses but rakyat has to pay more for petrol.
2. Collection of GST. Despite removal and loss of revenue from SST, government still collect surplus tax. Government revenue will increase but rakyat needs to pay more.
I have many friends and family who have emigrated. Through them, I have also come to know their circle of friends who are also immigrants mainly from Malaysia, Singapore.
From my observation, there is the vocal minority who like to keep tabs on their former country and usually will have a negative view.
I observed further and discern that this group have in fact never even been to a foreign country (apart from short holidays) before making the move, which were invariably facilitated by hefty fees paid to “migration consultants”, and not the professional sponsored types such as specialist doctors.
I sense that they are somehow struggling with their new life there, granted that many made that move for their children’s sake, and need an outlet to vent their frustrations. They can’t criticise their new home (even though that IS the cause of their troubles) hence they can only target their ex-home.
Simply put, the migrants who are happy and successful do not seem to criticise Malaysia. They still have fond memories and come back to visit often. Their mindset and attitude is different and they rarely make negative comments in real life, much less on social media.
Therefore, I believe it is more of a personal issue and a case of criticising others to make themselves feel better. I do feel sorry for them. Such a mindset is toxic.
At the end of the day, the world is becoming increasingly borderless. If one wishes to expand one’s horizons then please do so, it is your fate and your fortune. But we can tell the difference between constructive criticism and venting, the latter is a good indication of your state of mind, not the state of what you are talking about.
re: “Simply put, the migrants who are happy and successful do not seem to criticise Malaysia. / Therefore, I believe it is more of a personal issue and a case of criticising others to make themselves feel better.”
Sounds like you’re talking about The Rithmatist, hahaha.
Haha oh dear, no, I am not referring to anyone in particular – just a comment based on what I’ve seen and heard over the years.
Well, a selfish me x3 politician who turns like a worm over the “change” government vs country pulling-wool-over-sheeple kinda fits the bill, haha oh dear me my, yes.
Haiyo .. that one .. I can’t tell if she’s delusional or cynical. Either way is bad.
Really, Helen….hitting below the knickers line, are we?
Migrants who are “happy and successful”? Then why migrate in the first place if you are “happy and successful” in Malaysia? For their childrens’ future? For career and professional advancement? For better lifestyles?
It’s always about the Malaysia-versus-Singapore syndrome, isn’t it? That Singapore has made it a raison d’etre to go it’s own way, much to the chagrin of those who hoped it would fail post-1965.
As for me, I am perfectly happy taking the mickey out of your rants (oops, I meant your erudite posts).
It’s a good place to be….
re: “Really, Helen….hitting below the knickers line, are we?”
Ooooo, somebody is butthurt and it shows.
Methinks C72 (although he spoke in general and did not allude to you) hit the nail on the head when he describes how the “mindset and attitude [of contented emigrants] is different and they rarely make negative comments in real life, much less on social media. … I do feel sorry for them [discontented migrants]. Such a mindset is toxic”.
Your toxicity is showing, Rithmatist.
‘Your toxicity is showing, Rithmatist.’
Memang. Tengok Cina mainland pun tau sopan santun…Rithmatist the butthurt Singaporelang should learn a thing or two!
Heh, heh – “toxic”, are we?
I just call them as I see them. Tough s**t if that is unpalatable to the “movers and shakers” out there.
Today’s Singapore Biz Times editorial is titled “Despite Fitch upgrade, Malaysia still has a lot of issues to resolve”. You might want to read it in it’s entirety if you can access it on the Internet.
Incidentally, what’s with the “butthurt” comments?
You are not getting off the high and mighty horse and descending into the gutter, are you?
But no worries. As they say “sticks and stones…..”.
The gutter politicians are the Lims and their Yeoh protege.
And thar she blows….(with apologies to Herman Melville).
And here’s the leviathan.
How can a human being eat herself so gross? Really grotesque.
‘Leviathan’ with acknowledgment to Melville (for the benefit of those who’ve not read the author’s famous work).
Tak payah cakap banyak2. Just work quietly there and get your pay cukupla. You become zombies only. After work, you go back to your flat and sleep, next morning wake up go to work. Weekends work better. Saturday overtime @1.5, Sunday @2.. Sgd now can get RM2.79 what more you want?
Why you sound so unhappy? Cannot own landed properties or even a car never mind wan.. Public transport belly cheap.
Just nak pesan. Old age also don’t come back here okay. Behind my house old folks home mostly old old Singaporean stay there wan. Old and lonely.
Anyway, selamat berhijrah.. Help your relatives and friends still stuck here to move there la.
Tu RINA kita tanya Rithmatist dah bagi I/C ka belum sebab duk kutuk Malaysia dan puji melangit Singapura, baik buang I/C kat seberang tambak jer!
Ooh, Rina – is that the best that you can come up with?
Is that pathetic or what?
Now we know that you look down on and denigrate honest hard working folks who work for a living – no quotas, no privileges, no rent seeking…..
It seems to me that you are envious about those who live and work in Singapore – locals and foreigners. I wonder why?
And if you are talking about “hijrah”, there are hundreds of Malaysians who do that every day, 7 days a week, across the Causeway.
Don’t you want to wish them well?
I am sure that Helen will.
Haiyaa.. Disorganised way of life kasi nampak kalut, to and fro across the causeway, some starts their day as 4am.. apahal?
You work hard till you drop dead, pay tax there is none of our concern. Balik hari2 kMsia still begging for subsidies kasi menyemak lebih.
Coolie mentality tak bole kikis owh? Dulu kelejo sama Tuan Omputih sikalang Tuan Kiasus..
At least the British dulu provided kongsis. The Singapore employers will be laughing their way to the bank.. free cheap labourers crawling like ants to work and feed their country.. He he he.. Ini mau jealous ma? Buang masa saja la Rithmatist.
Rugi la. If stay there and become resident much easier to apply for PR owh! Why difficult to apply meh? They still prefer the PRCs? Rithmatist you jadi coolie la sana sampai mati.
Kesian kat budak ni…
‘Prominent Singaporean intellectuals, artists and activists today criticised the government’s “harsh” treatment of a teenage boy behind online attacks on the late former prime minister Lee Kuan Yew.
In an open letter to Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, the former leader’s son, the 77 signatories said they were “aware of the negative aspects” of 16-year-old Amos Yee’s pronouncements in a YouTube video and on his blog.
“Nonetheless, we are troubled by the State’s harsh reactions to them, including the prosecution’s request for reformative training lasting at least 18 months,” said the letter, which was also sent to the attorney general, education and interior ministers.
– See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/world/article/singapore-activists-human-rights-groups-denounce-harsh-treatment-of-amos-ye#sthash.oMsu4SLX.dpuf
The-SingaporeTheGreatestNationOnEarth-Rithmatist tak nak komen ke??
Sorry, just to clarify: I was talking about migrants to Australia and USA … not MY/SG.
There is no award for those w ho choose to be bitter on every issues.
Those who criticize and criticize non stop about Malaysia are ussually losers. They blame Malaysia for their own personal failures.
Just like Adam Adli who sees the need to wage war against the very Vice Chancellor of the university where he studied.
THE BOTTOM LINE is not where you live. It is how you live.
‘Adam Adli ‘
Azmi Shahrom, Pak Samad, perhaps Dina Zaman sebab tak dapat biasiswa thus the constant bitching?
According to a renowned genomic expert, most Chinese’s genetic makeup contains a very rare gene that would trigger an urge to migrate to another country when they’re not happy with the present environment.
Years ago ohhh, centuries ago, their forefathers migrated from the bukits to a greener pasture. They were not even natives then, alas they stayed put and refused to go back to their mainland. The land that they plundered were left barren, but their pockets were thickened. Now, what is left are the wasteland and mining pools.
Let them leave this country as fast as possible. Malaysia will be better without those clowns anyway.
Clowns..haha, spot on. They and their dapster icons. Suit each other.
One thing, I wonder, I always find this species, lots of them, whenever free and subsidised services are given.
Aren’t they supposed to be the minority group but their faces are aplenty at those KR1M, BR1M, KL1M and whatnot, outnumbering the majority. Are they really sakit or miskin or simply it is in their brain about anything subsidised and free hmm, wonder!
Their antics is taking its toll on the well-being of the rest.
Sekadar cadangan. Jika kita ada terlalu banyak agen pengambilan pekerja asing, sepatutnya golongan ini mengambil peluang (dan kesempatan) dengan ramai yang nak ‘berhijrah’ ke luar Malaysia dengan menubuhkan seperti agensi migrasi.
Agensi ini bolehlah membantu mana-mana warga Malaysia yang tidak setia kepada negara yang mahu migrasi ke luar untuk ditempatkan ke mana-mana bahagian dunia ni di mana-mana negara. Syarat tambahan, passport Malaysia perlulah diserahkan kepada Jabatan Imigresen dengan dikoyakkan. Sebagai imbalan, agensi ini boleh mengenakan caj yang tinggi dan buat duit. Sesiapa yang telah diberikan tempat migrasi wajiblah berikrar untuk tidak kembali ke Malaysia!
‘passport Malaysia perlulah diserahkan kepada Jabatan Imigresen dengan dikoyakkan’
Rithmatist bila lagi?
No worries, brader.
Like I wrote earlier, it’s nice to know that there are alternatives and options available.
It must be tough to understand that worldview.
Tearing up passports? That’s so passé.
Unless you are referring to emigrants from North Africa to Europe or from Afghanistan and Pakistan to Australia?
It’s strange how these unfortunates choose to head for the capitalist, decadent and morally reprehensible crusader mat salleh nations. Why I wonder? Don’t they have the courage to tough it out in their home countries?
So much for compassion and empathy!
‘Tearing up passports? That’s so passé.’
Kau dah buat ke belum? Komplen lebih. Malaysia talak progress maa? SO WHY WAIT BRADER?
‘Unless you are referring to emigrants from North Africa to Europe or from Afghanistan and Pakistan to Australia?’
Now I have to answer for them is it? So delusional la you. Surely you one Butthurt Cina, no one can ever helps one!
And the point of your “impeccable” logic is what…..?
It wasn’t me who started on this issue of tearing up passports. Go and Google to see how many would-be immigrants have adopted this tactic.
Gotcha there, brader!
As for the other wannabe immigrants, why are they abandoning their homelands for the “decadent fleshpots” of the West?
Guaranteed freedom of religion and speech, maybe?
Go and pull another one out of your hat, grader. Maybe you will have better luck the next time around!
Just answer this, do you still keep your Kad Pengenalan Malaysia Rithmatist?
‘As for the other wannabe immigrants, why are they abandoning their homelands for the “decadent fleshpots” of the West?’
Seriously you have no idea what the West had been doing in their homelands? Playing dumb do you? And you are supposed to be the the intellectual one around. Haha
Quote: ” And you are supposed to be the the intellectual one around..”
I reckon he/she is, can’t say the same for you though.
See, one liners…. just the way you ordered. hahaha
And I should by this since you are the one who gives us Cinas are the most adaptable species around, didn’t you? Hahaha. DAP had to work harder la employing goon like you around.
Well, if nothing else, the English could be improved somewhat.
Like in the lawyer’s letter that is being circulated by some blogs.
I take it that you have nothing against trolls? Or goblins, banshees and suchlike?
How about elves (as in the Salvatore books), fairies or pixies?
We can’t say “happy elfing”, can we, as that sounds vaguely rude?
Oh, well – I guess we will have to go with “happy fairying”.
My MyKad? That’s for me to know and for you to skedaddle around….hahaha.
It could just as well be an Aussie passport or a US “green card” or, horror of horrors, “dual citizenship”.
And to pick up on your other question about what the West has/had “been doing in their homelands”? Apart from fostering democracy and human rights?
Where were you when Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein were committing what was perilously close to genocide on their own people? Discreetly quiet, perhaps?
And these unfortunates who are risking life and limb to cross the Mediterranean to the shores of southern Europe – are they political refugees fleeing discrimination and persecution or “economic migrants”?
Why don’t you marshal your vast research resources to give us the answers?
In pukka English, if you please….
“Who will defend us? Singapore PM asks as society rapidly ages”
“Who is going to pay the taxes to spend on whom?” he asked in a speech at a forum organised by the Singapore Management University.
“Our defence, who is going to man the SAF (Singapore Armed Forces), who will defend us? We can’t be ‘Dad’s Army’.”
Lee in his speech flagged the demographic shift as one of the country’s major challenges in years to come.
Well, Singapore is in dire needs of ingrates from Malaysia. Such a brain drain to Malaysia!
Hmm…obviously you didn’t read the full text of PM Lee Hsien Loong’s speech at the SMU’s Ho Rih Hwa Leadership in Asia lecture at the Suntec Convention Centre, did you?
So, instead of selective quotations from that speech, why don’t you tell us the points that PM Lee raised in that speech?
PM Lee was upfront about two longer-term issues Singapore has to deal with – population matters and the essence of the Singapore identity.
He didn’t fudge the issues. He didn’t avoid them or kick them down the road for the next government to worry about.
But I think that Singapore will face up to the challenges and resolve them.
And if it means bringing in immigrants on a selective basis, why not?
At least, they are not undocumented illegals running around, are they?
‘Well, Singapore is in dire needs of ingrates from Malaysia. Such a brain drain to Malaysia!’
Exactly. Apa lagi kalau geng-geng ingrates boleh cakap Mandarin and English ony. Down south to the red dot la! Macam one butt hurt Cina kat bawah tu!
Apparently the guy speaks for Lee Hsien Loong too!
Knowing English and Mandarin are a distinct advantage. Monolingual is so passe in this globalized environment.
‘Knowing English and Mandarin are a distinct advantage.’
Ya at the expense of the national language. To the extent of a lot of salah faham dan tak faham bahasa incidences. Of having nothing else in the pipeline to contribute to the country’s economy but going down south. Haha. Indeed. How convenient.
What is it about the Chinese that you will like to remind the world about, HH?
Quote: Of having nothing else in the pipeline to contribute to the country’s economy but going down south. Haha. Indeed. How convenient.
You obviously possess a warped view on how economy works.
So, many Malaysians are working in Singapore. If they are spending what they earn back home, how is it not a positive contribution to the Malaysian economy?
Kalo talak bawa balik belanja itu wang sini takut nanti ramai bisnes Apek2 kena gulung tikar, that’s all where we are concerned. Kasi pusing2 duit sesama mereka. Depa ni bukan banyak mana sangat contribute to the nation’s revenue. Bagi nampak kalut, buat menyibuk aje lebih.
Anak2 semua bagi belajar kat SJKC dan SMK free. Mana mampu hantaq belajar kat Singapore. SJKC pun tarak sana. Anak bini sakit treatment kat 1M Klinik. Bawa hospital Singapore, mampus tak mampu.
Sementara dok bayaq tax kat Singapore, sini depa kalut melalak nak macam2 kemudahan. Ada setenggah sanggup ulang alik pasai nak RON95 murah, beli makanan, rumah dan kereta murah. Apa subsidy yang ada depa pun nak kebas.
Memang jenis taktau malu, opportunist dan meghoyan lebih.
Quote: apa subsidy yang ada depa pun nak kebas.
Gee, Rina, you sound awfully distraught at the prospect of fellow Malaysians of different ethnicity enjoying the benefits of governmental subsidies.
Hope you are not losing too much sleep over this.
Perhaps you would like to have a word with your ahli Parlimen about motioning certain revisions to the legislation pertaining to the allocation of subsidies to be classed under the ‘Hak istimewa-only’ category?
Would that give you a Glee-moment bursting into song and booty shakes?
When 1 Singapore Dollar is worth 2.80 Ringgit, that covers a multitude of sins….
All those Malaysians who “hijrah” daily to work in Singapore must be a pitifully deluded lot, lacking “maruah” and “semangat”.
So, why don’t you stand at the JB CIQ weekdays and have a little demo targeting these “unpatriotic” Malaysians, eh?
Let’s see if your gift of the gab can sway them to turn their backs on Singapore and cari makan in Malaysia.
Nothing like an empirical test to validate your thesis, is there?
Ya so many Malaysians working in Singapore nowadays and at the same time talk badly of Malaysia.
The money they make in Singapore are taxed by the Sing government. Their pensions also stay in Singapore.
So what’s their contribution to Malaysia ? No contribution.
Tu pasai they have to talk loudly, empty drums make the loudest sound. Hidup menempek sana sini, tumpang sekaki. Tanah gunung kat Kelantan pun nak jugak. Diam2 kikis sana sini tu pun PAS tak sedar, sampai balak tergolek2 naik at as bumbung rumah oghang Bari nampak apa depa dok balun?
Tu Apek Tanjung dok melalak dah berapa tahun, what has he done for the country? Untuk Apek2, PRC, Kiasu, Taiwan tak payah cerita la. None of our concern. Dok pusing habuan sesama mereka aje. Kasi nampak kalut, menyemak lebih.
Remember, mula2 dulu kalut tak kesudahan dok intai Petronas! Foolamak. What a laugh.. Hahaha
Oghang contribute tak palu gendang pun?
You belum baca nah I forward sekali lagi.
HH, agak you Lim Eng Guan and Apek2 lain macam you dok nganga, telioq dak, tidoq tak lena dok mimpi duit oghang ni?
The generosity of the good prince should be applauded….
Same goes to other folks who are not in his league but still have the heart to be charitable.
I sure hope your comment holds no intent to disparage the ordinary rakyat who don’t have 32 billion sitting in the bank but still chose to give whatever they can in the name of charity.
Mocking the poor is so not classy lah…
‘Mocking the poor is so not classy lah…’
Mocking fellow Malaysian classy kan?!
Yah, but it is open, transparent and done by the book. No fudging, no dodgy accounting, no playing fast and loose with work visas and employment passes.
“No contribution” to Malaysia? I suppose that their families in Malaysia are surviving on love and fresh air? And government subsidies?
Easy, lah….take out a full-page ad in Utusan and NST to highlight the “disloyalty” of these Malaysians who should really know better.
Imagine – toiling in a foreign country. Oh, the shame…..
Malaysian “coolies” working in Singapore? Isn’t that “mocking the poor” and “mocking fellow Malaysian(sic)”?
What sayest thou, islam1st?
Was Rina making derogatory remarks about Malaysians working in Singapore? Along the lines of, say, “if they are hungry, let them eat cake”?
Remind me about that the next time you interview for a job with Facebook, Google or Microsoft. Or with IBM or GE. Or with Airbus and Boeing. Or with Citibank, HSBC, Standard Chartered or Goldman Sachs.
Interviews in BM or English? Go on, make my day.
“at the expense of the national language”? That’s risible, if not pathetic. Since when did fluency in the national language guarantee us a place at the big table to talk terms with the big boys, eh?
I suppose that all our TPP negotiations and Asean discussions are conducted in the national language? That should provide gainful employment for a bunch of translators, if nothing else.
If you have nothing to contribute to this nation, nobody cares about you wan.
To people like us, you sama golongan the likes of Alvin Tan. Go there, go here last last run to the Tuan Omputih.
Betoi.Kalau national languange pun tak bleh cakap sampai timbul seribu satu salah faham. Simple dress code pun tak bleh nak baca. Buat report polis pun tak tau. Macam mana nak function and contribute healthily to the nation.
But of course some pendatangs are duri dalam daging, api dalam sekam dan musuh dalam selimut!
Memang dah keturunan pemberontak Chang Kai Shek nak buat macam mana, kan Rithmatist?
Dsh koyak Kad Pengenalan Malaysia ke belum? Berombus la brader apa tunggu lagi. Lu ingat lu takdak ini negara mati meh??
No worries, Rina.
Let me know when Malaysia produces a Google, Facebook or Twitter. Or even an Alibaba.
Contributing to the nation? Sure….let’s start with English-medium schools first. Then move on to address the rural-urban divide after 57 years of Independence.
I asked a question about per capita GNIs. Maybe you didn’t “faham” my question or maybe the concept of GNI is alien to your thinking?
As for the Tuan Omputih, they have to be called on to keep the peace in the South China Sea because, kesian, we don’t have the wherewithal to counter the big gorillas.
And how pathetic is that?
So go and peddle your picayune logic someplace else.
Hang kalut Google, Facebook etc hang tu contribute ape? Nothing?
Kuat ciplak inventions oghang lain itu memang pakar. Otak tak boleh pikiaq sendiri. Everythg harapkan oghang lain, cannot stand on own two feet. Dulu harapkan British. Lepaih tu sekarang mengharapkan kod Malayu pula.
Last last harapkan Singapore to feed your whole family? Isssh what competition nonsense are you talking about?
Haiyaaa.. GNI? Bina kandang babi, export daging to Singapore Taiwan semua itu macam productions ke?. Berapa sangat contribute? Kasi najis kawasan saja. Itu tax mau kasi cuci kawasan sekitar pun tak cukup. Bikin kalut saja.
Oh, btw…. I am waiting for your response on per capita GNIs.
Dunno what is GNI? Just go and ask your friendly neighbourhood economist. Or post a question in the economicsmalaysia blog.
And for your reading pleasure, a report in today’s Singapore Business Times – “Najib crisis savages M$”.
An accompanying chart titled ” Ringgit rout” showed the Ringgit falling from about 2.700 in May 2015 to 2.819 against the S$ yesterday.
“The currency has depreciated to its lowest level against the Sing dollar since 1981, due in part to domestic concerns. The recent fall in oil prices as well as intensifying political uncertainty in Malaysia…are contributing to the ringgit’s latest slump. Conversely, the Sing dollar has remained resilient….
“Maybank Group’s head of FX research, Saktiandi Supaat, expects the ringgit will slide to RM2.85 against the Sing dollar in coming weeks, and potentially even beyond that to RM2.90. However, he does not see it free-falling to RM3 in what he deems the worst case scenario.” (http://www.businesstimes.com.sg).
Still want to make smart-aleck comments about tearing up MyKads and such?
And ask yourself how many families in Johor and Malaysia will be struggling to make ends meet if their breadwinners weren’t working in Singapore?
Is that too tough for you to digest?
And let’s hear it for the Malaysian “coolies” who are working in Singapore. At least they are not begging or going on welfare or looking for hand outs as a matter of right!
Singapore apa susah? Kasi pump duit siapa berani tanya? Minister of Finance pun donno betoi ke Rithmatist?
Sshhh dengar cerita bukan 42b aje, some says somethg to the tune of 72.6b donno go where. Betoi ke Rithmatist? Takpa your tax and CPF boleh kasi bantu matawang dia stable.
Why your family malas2 kerja, only depend on your Singapore earnings? Lucky in Malaysia, petrol, gas and many many foodstuff Bumiputras here help subsidise for them, kalau tidak pasti mati kebuluran. Better find jobs for them in Singapore like that.
Alaaa. GNI tinggi mana pun citizens standard of living elek, full of debts (credit card and gila judi) pun tak ada gunanya.
‘At least they are not begging or going on welfare or looking for hand outs as a matter of right!’
Yup. Thats exactly what the Melayus had been doing. Siapa suluh lu mali sini, again???
Your asinine logic is par for the course.
It is funny that the PAP keeps getting elected every time around, doesn’t it? And that while Singaporeans grumble about many things, they still vote the PAP into power.
Now why is that?
You haven’t answered my question about why Brunei chose to keep it’s Dollar on a 1-to-1 par with the Singapore Dollar. Awkward, isn’t it, that a fellow Muslim-majority country isn’t making common cause with Malaysia?
And you haven’t answered my question why you have characterised Malaysians working in Singapore as “coolies”?
Don’t duck the hard questions, ma cherie.
How about arabic, french, japanese, germanic, besides english and bahasa melayu? All these languages are taught in sbps, the boarding schools. do not just stop at mandarin and english. it’s so passe.
Just because other languages are taught, it does not negate the importance of Mandarin and English.
You are obviously not as en vogue as you like to think you are.
You mean ” German”, right?
But the Arabs, French, Japanese and Germans are all rushing to learn English. As too are millions of Chinese, Indonesians and Latin Americans.
These people are already bilingual. They are proud of their domestic/native languages, but have no qualms in learning and speaking English.
So, what is passé, eh?
‘You mean ” German”, right?’
One butthurt Cina tries to what he does best again! Kaki buli!
‘So, what is passé, eh?’
When people tak boleh cakap bahasa kebangsaan. Susah nak berurusan dengan jabatan kerajaan. Borang pun tak boleh nak isi. Polis report pun tak boleh nak buat. Melanggar, Dilanggar or Terlanggar pun tak tahu nak beza.
‘They are proud of their domestic/native languages, but have no qualms in learning and speaking English.’
Quite right. Unlike some buthurt ingrates. Malay tatau. English longkang. Speaks nothing but Cina ony! Kan?
And your point is what…again?
Will fluency in the national language guarantee you a good job in the private sector or in a MNC?
Has the government got the guts to make it mandatory for the private sector (including foreign investors) to recruit and promote only those who are fluent in the national language?
Will the government make it compulsory for foreign executives and professionals working in Malaysia to be fluent in the national language (like Indonesia is trying to do)?
So go peddle your asinine views to the credulous and easily-deluded. And while you are about it, move heaven and earth to convince the government to impose mandatory hiring quotas (by race & religion) and a compulsory fluency in the national language on the private sector.
What are you waiting for, brudder? Don’t have the courage of your convictions to lobby the government accordingly?
And the “kerajaan” is still happy to collect our taxes, fluency in the national language not needed….lol.
As they say, money speaks an international language understood by all!
‘Will fluency in the national language guarantee you a good job in the private sector or in a MNC?’
As oppose to hua yi? Anytime! If you can’t even speak to the average Malaysians anytime when needed. I’d say something is very wrong somewhere. Maybe going to Singapore, Taiwan or China (itu pun kalau mainland nak terima Chang Kai Shek kakis macam lu olangs) was such a bad idea after all.
‘Has the government got the guts to make it mandatory for the private sector (including foreign investors) to recruit and promote only those who are fluent in the national language?’
‘Will the government make it compulsory for foreign executives and professionals working in Malaysia to be fluent in the national language (like Indonesia is trying to do)?’
Make no mistake, brader, you are being delusional here. Not me. Plain stupid too!
‘What are you waiting for, brudder? Don’t have the courage of your convictions to lobby the government accordingly?’
I seriously don’t have to report to you what I did and didn’t do as far as lobbying the government goes. What does a butthurt Cina like you ever did to this nation apart from 24/7 complaining?
I must say. Typical pendatangs behaviour at its best!
islam1st July 8 5:50 PM
So, let’s be very clear here – you are ducking my questions and refusing to answer them.
That’s not surprising, because you don’t have a leg to stand on in this issue, and when your own government is going all out to attract foreign investors.
So, can we assume that your efforts at “lobbying the government” ended in abject failure?
And who is being “delusional” here? Those who work for our keep or those who believe that the world owes them a living because they are – wait for it – “special”?
First, improve on your Bahasa Melayu brother. It is the responsibility of your citizenship as much as you have its rights.
Bitter and resentful Malaysians can be of any race, age, sex or socioeconomic status.
That does not mean that leaving for another country is a solution. There are for too many bitter and resentful ex-Malaysians too.
I think sometimes it is about channeling all our negative emotions on something constructive, or just to dissipate them by venting. It is not really healthy to feed on bitterness and resentment as everything becomes too personal.
Some people felt that they are being ejected from their country of birth, which is really a very different feeling of being drawn or attracted to greener pastures. Or because of some problem with visual acuity, some people think they saw an oasis in the middle of a desert.
It is very difficult to be judgemental on people who made the choice to emigrate. The Prophet did it, our forefathers did it, and many people will continue to do so in an increasingly borderless society. We can of course do our fair bit to bring about change for a better tomorrow, but each of us will have to make our own choices in life.
Singapore IS a wealthier country than Malaysia, like Brunei, Hongkong, UK, US, Japan and South Korea that enjoys a higher GDP/GNI per capita. Nevertheless, different countries has its own set of problems that needs to be overcomed.
There are some universal principles – good governance, hardworking population, quality education, sustainable development, just to name a few. There will always be some inevitable trade-offs along the way, but conditions will certainly change and the path to nation building is always a negotiated outcome. It is a bit of a balancing game – skewed too badly to one side and we will have massive unrest.
I look at Malaysia and I am proud we did not annihilate our ethnic identities at the altar of nationalism. We also did not sacrifice economic equity at the altar of capitalism. More importantly, we did not kill the spirit of democracy at the altar of government centralization.
For more than half a century this country wobbled and lurched between race, religion and royalty – politicians broke the judiciary, the civil service, the unions but kept the economy chugging. We have a lot of natural resources and national development plans gave us plenty of material comfort, but corruption is a growing endemic and we are losing our productive edge to rent-seeking and patronage economics. We should focus on our national engines of growth, plug leakages and make sure no one gets left behind.
Convincing ourselves that bitter and resentful Malaysians should just leave won’t help anyone in the long run.
re: “Convincing ourselves that bitter and resentful Malaysians should just leave won’t help anyone in the long run.”
Ironically – the two following words “DESTRUCTIVE” and “DIVISIVE” – were slapped on BTN by Hannah Yeoh. It is her gang that is destructive and divisive. Their toxicity is poisoning our well.
I don’t know about poisoning the well, but if our politicians keep up the squabbling and fighting, there might be no water soon (literally) because everyone is too busy posturing/ conspiring/ politicking than actually making sure new wells are dug.
Last week my area suffered unscheduled water cuts intermittently. Checked the Puspel-Syabas Twitter and the timeline was full of announcements – “pipe burst”.
I find it hard to believe the excuse they’re giving. I reckon it was water rationing forced upon us.
Selangorians deserve a new state government that can provide us uninterrupted supply of potable water.
Oh, did I mention that I had to bring out the pails, buckets, containers and bottles (here we go again) to store. The water was a pale shade of tea.
That’s just water… imagine in the midst of Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia and China rising, our leaders from both sides of the bench have next to ZERO strategic growth plans (everyone is racing each other in giving out populist doles).
Are we moving upwards along the economic value chain? Are we identifying new industries or supporting high-value businesses to ensure employment for our growing number of graduates? Notice how economic woes take second place to political ones during such times? These things have a long tail, and the Thais are now paying the price.
re: “That’s just water… ”
I have to buy from the vending machine.
Water cuts and burst pipes are common occurrences in Johor Bahru too.
Do we blame SAJ, MBJB or the Johor State Government every time these happen?
As far as I’m aware, Selangor was the state hit by the massive water rationing, not Johor.
And the recent long series of “burst pipe” excuses aside, SPAN finally admitted a few days ago that the Ulu Langat dam water level is low and rationing required. http://www.mysinchew.com/node/110250?tid=4
If you’re not living in Selangor and not aware of what’s happening in my state, please spare us your ignorance and being a source of irritation.
I think we should hold the authorities responsible for their deficiencies, no? This is not about Johor led by UMNO or Selangor led by PKR. The federal-state’s inability to resolve water woes is an indication of policy failure.
Johor has her own share of problems, just like Singapore. The difference is that you like to convince yourself otherwise.
“There are FAR too many bitter and resentful EX-Malaysians too”.
And what made them that way?
I am assuming that they didn’t start out being “bitter and resentful”?
Even the US is experiencing rising angst about inequality in a “free market capitalist paradise” where the “top 1%” continue to increase their wealth.
This is expected to be a major issue in next US Presidential election.
Apart from “inequality”, what about discrimination because of “race” or “religion”?
Are those “push” factors to make people go from “happy and optimistic” to “bitter and resentful”?
Let’s see if Helen, Rina and islam1st come out with their rote responses.
re: “Apart from ‘inequality’, what about discrimination because of ‘race’ or ‘religion’?”
Can you specify the Race & Religion discrimination that you’re referring to?
re: “Are those ‘push’ factors to make people go from ‘happy and optimistic’ to ‘bitter and resentful’?”
Please give us some examples where DAP has been happy and optimistic, so that we can proceed further in discussing the transition to the perpetually bitter and resentful “racist”, “extremist”, “bigot”, “hater” screaming harpies that their evangelista leaders are today.
That’s the idea, bitterness or resentment is ever present in a society. Some individuals develop such feelings out of personal experience, but there are also many who became bitter and resentful because of perception.
In such situations, we must remember that collective unhappiness can be harnessed into an agent of change or a social force. It is not just DAP, UMNO and other political parties also tap into such rich veins of anger in other constituencies.
Let’s put it this way, without Bumiputera affirmative policies 3-4 decades ago, who do you think will be bitter and resentful now?
re: “without Bumiputera affirmative policies 3-4 decades ago, who do you think will be bitter and resentful now?”
I wish the Dapsters are able to look at the bigger picture – take the long view and adopt a wider perspective. But no.
As long as their top leaders (The Family) are unable to let go their dendam, they will continue to agitate hate and nothing else but.
Kit Siang’s gutter level is truly showing now that he’s going in for the kill on Najib.
I think we’re all aware of the Race factor but not many Chinese realise where the evangelistas are leading us – Answer: Into the abyss
Here is Grandpapa Dapster criticising TG Hadi and TG Harun in his press statement today: “… the two top leaders in PAS are giving the Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Najib Razak the strongest defence and support”. And Papa Dapster declaring PAS is the enemy, http://www.suara.tv/2015/07/09/lim-guan-eng-isytihar-kini-pas-adalah-musuh-dap/
Such two facedness. On one side slagging PAS, on the other side reaping the past goodwill from PAS to enable the evangelistas to Occupy Masjid.
The 90 percent Chinese are so confined in their bubble that they have no inkling of the Muslim backlash – the almost clean sweep (bar one, Mazlan Aliman) by the ulamas in the recent PAS election, the lack of support/defence that Hannah Yeoh is getting from Malays for her tudung hypocrisy compared with the past (although her fans are currently more hysterical), the momentum for hudud, the public debate over skirt hemline, sensitivities over non-Muslims eating in public during puasa month.
The above are the symptoms.
What the Dapsters don’t seem to able to register that something is seriously amiss on the Religion front at a level never experienced before in the past – and that the Malay sleeping giant is stirring because their Islam sensibility is being provoked. It is the work of the DAP evangelistas – the fount of the Politics of Hate.
I think DAP is genuinely clueless. Case in point, their barks that lead to the slaughter of the PAS erdogans. If PAS or PKR is to so interfere with DAP’s internal affairs they will be screaming bloody murder.
I think it is partially cultural, not so much evangelical. The Chinese in general just lack that restraint and finesse, myself included.
Knowledge and understanding will help us grow.
Last week, I republished a Letter to the (Malaysiakini) Editor which I wrote 10 years ago.
My complaints back then sound familiar – almost like what the Dapsters are still complaining about today except that only b’cos I’m a trained writer, my phrasing had more finesse (wink). But I’ve evolved since.
re: “I think it is partially cultural, not so much evangelical.”
I believe that the antipathy for the Malays is Chinese due to the Special Position, affirmative / discriminative policies and all that.
The antipathy to Islam though is evangelical-driven. Say 15-20 years ago when the Chinese were griping about NEP, there wasn’t this enmity against Islam (suspicion and wariness, yes, but the sneaky kind of undermining hate, no).
If they – evangelistas and those of the 90 percent Chinese who are the Jerusubang fanbase – are still unable to come to terms with the reality that this is a Muslim country (recall how the J-Star Christian reporter almost got himself beaten up due to his provocative questioning of the Taman Medan residents during the cross-removal incident), then a clash is inevitable.
They wanted to “Take Johor for Jesus” and recently there was the fracas with DAP in the Pasir Gudang area. I’m not saying that LKS got shown the broom due to the TJ4J reason alone but it must have been one of the overall contributing factors – feeling besieged ‘cos they wanna take Johor (and Sarawak) now after taking Subang and KL.
Isn’t there a general level of “antipathy” towards Islam in the West (especially in the so-called “crusader mat salleh” countries)?
In France, which prides itself on being secular, I believe they are legislating to outlaw the wearing of the tudung/hijab in public. Is that driven by evangelical Christians?
Or in the US where Muslims and Islam have been the target of scathing commentaries in the right-wing media?
The irony is that the “Muslim countries” are divided among themselves, so much so that they look to the West (specifically the US) to assuage their security concerns.
Is Saudi Arabia, for instance, more concerned about the Islamic agenda or Iran “going nuclear” and accentuating the Shi’a-Sunni divide?
In France, it’s due to the Muslim immigrant population originally from north Africa. So the lesson of the day is: Minority religion brought by emigration, and one which is the traditional rival of the majority religion, is the cause of conflict.
Ditto in Malaysia. There have been minor abrasions in the past between Hindus and Muslims, e.g. Kerling incident and the child custody/”body snatching” disputes but nothing on the scale of the present hostility which is on account the DAP evangelical Christians.
re: “Or in the US where Muslims and Islam have been the target of scathing commentaries in the right-wing media?”
The American right wingers are also Christian fundamentalists.
In Saudi Arabia, Christians are “zero” percentage and any public display of Christianity is severely restricted. Since the Christians have been ‘kow tim’-ed there, why should it be any surprise that the kingdom is more preoccupied with the Syiahs and Iran?
And with the “affirmative action policies” dating back to “3-4 decades ago”, there is still inequality, the rural-urban divide and unequal outcomes from education (which was supposed to be the great leveller and the means to upward social mobility).
Whose fault is that?
The “beneficiary group” who were given most (not all, mind you) opportunities to advance or the “non-beneficiary group) who had to work even harder to advance up the socio-economic ladder?
Can you fault those who looked for what they perceived to be “more equal playing fields” elsewhere? And for being “bitter and resentful” that they had to do so?
Let’s cut to the chase – if the “pie” is not increasing in size, some are going to get more and some are going to get less, no matter how fairly you try to slice it.
An inevitable consequence of capitalism, free markets, globalisation and open trading systems? Or a system that rewards skills and talent, maybe disproportionately?
We are saying this playing out in the US now?
Is it “fair” that Bill Gates, Sergey Brin and the Zuckerberg guy made gazillions out of Microsoft, Google and Facebook respectively?
Rithmathist, the affirmative action policies is a two-edged sword. It is a damned if you do and damned if you don’t kind of scenario for our Malay brethren.
When one is successful by seizing the opportunities given by an affirmative policy, his or her accomplishments will be belittled. If one fails to capitalize on the opportunities created, his or her inability to progress despite the assistance will be mocked.
This is neither a fair nor true representation of the affirmative policy outcomes.
The NEP has resulted in greater inequalities within the Malay community but it has narrowed the gap between the Malays, Chinese, Indians dan lain-lain. The socioeconomic landscape is changing. The pie is getting larger (please, it would be nonsense to deny that) but we are seeing emerging inequalities in terms of capital vs. wages.
You are talking nonsense when you said that non-Malays were non-beneficiaries of the NEP. I strongly doubt Francis Yeoh, Ananda Krishnan or Lim Kok Thay worked “harder” to advance up the socio-economic ladder. Have you heard about beggars in spain or prosper thy neighbour approaches? With a larger middle class today (with the improved purchasing power), we are seeing greater market for new products and services.
Education as a leveller will take generations to create a new Malay capital class (I am not talking about wage earners here). I do agree that NEP during Mahathir’s time took a much different turn than its original modus operandi, but granted, the man wanted results quickly. We all know where that got him.
If you say that some will get more and some will get less of the pie, isn’t that the same in every other country? It is not Gates, Brin or Zuckerberg we are worried about, but the disproportionate wealth in the hands of a few where those with capital grow richer and richer while the middle class and the poor are stuck. It is happening in Singapore too, hence the growing unrest.
If being rewarded for your skills and talent is the only measure that matters in life, this would also mean that the occupy wall street and the 99% is wrong. Singapore believe in paying top dollars to attract top talent to run their government. I am sure that is well justified in your mind and many Singaporeans, but not everyone correlates capability and intelligence in monetary terms.
It is the same fallacy that has plague Confucious throughout his life. How is it possible a man as virtuous and as learned as he proclaimed to be ended up unemployed for a major part of his life? Wrong skills? Untimely talent?
I must concur that the civil service quota and promotion exercises discriminates against the non-Malays in the government. Is this the same story in the private sector? You mean to tell me that the NEP has made it impossible for non-Malays to earn a living and enrich themselves? Statistics seem to suggest that the non-Malays, especially the Chinese, not only retained their wealth but managed to add to the pile.
When does an affirmative policy get too far? We all know the answer – when it holds us back and cost us real progress and development. Everyone know that you cannot compete by benching players on the basis of their skin colour. You need the best team out there against other countries. The same is true for Malaysia. We are slowly lifting all these quota-based policies and focusing more on deliverables. I am against the reverse quota for Indians in the civil service. I just believe that a company that discriminates on the basis on race and not talent is just handicapping itself in a race. This is as much acknowledged even by top GLC management as disclosed to Mohammed Abdul Khalid in the Colours of Inequality.
We should always remember that “capitalism, free markets, globalisation and open trading systems” are not all sugar and spice. For every McDonalds and consumerist culture promoted here, we are witnessing a very different kind of colonialism. In the end, all that money in recognition of your skills and talents is for naught when it promotes a predatory culture of modern slavery.
Many people seek to climb the socioeconomic ladder without being bitter and resentful. And since when did the Chinese believe in playing on “equal playing fields”???
The Chinese emphasis on guanxi and the bamboo network indicates our disbelief in equal playing fields. Stop lying to yourself-lah.
A most learned treatise, but, alas, woefully short on practicalities.
What are the alternatives to “capitalism, free markets, globalisation and open trading systems”?
Communism? Socialism? A dirigiste command economy where the government picks “winners” and “losers”?
And “a very different kind of colonialism”? Really? When Asian money is acquiring assets in the capitalist West? When Asians are sending their children in the thousands to study in the best schools and universities in the West. It looks like a “reverse colonialism” to me!
Oh please I am just wordy.
It is not so much that as in untempered capitalism, free market and globalization. We should always remember that neither Swedish socialism nor Chinese communism has remained pure. Singapore is hardly a typical democracy. The whole point is to remember what works.
I am very interested in your perception that Asian money purchasing assets in the West is defined as reverse colonialism. It is a bit like the time when Japan started mopping up foreign equities and now our own funds like Tabung Haji, EPF, MARA that invested abroad. Unlike foreign students, such investments overseas are usually not so well accepted by their general population.
Some western countries love the money they made off Asian parents to fill their coffers. I don’t see how that is reverse colonialism in any way – they made money off us. It is a bit of a question of net profit I suppose (trade cuts both ways). As long as we are a consumer and not a producer nation, we will remain a market for foreign goods.
i hate n’sync, The Rithmatist,
re: “As long as we are a consumer and not a producer nation, we will remain a market for foreign goods.”
We are a consumer of, and a market for, foreign education. This situation will be exacerbated if a changed government decides to change our medium of instruction to English.
I believe that our national education stream should be in bahasa Melayu despite the advantages conferred by English. (It’s not a zero sum game – I’m not discouraging the learning of English, Mandarin or any other language.)
I believe our national education system should be in bahasa kebangsaan for the same reason the Japanese educate their young in Japanese, the Korean educate their young in Korean etc etc and why the current Miss Japan Ariana Miyamoto who is black speaks Japanese.
It’s important to preserve jati diri. That’s why the Tokugawa Shogunate felt Christianity to be an existential threat to the very being of their Japanese national identity.
You will hear no argument from me on that.
I think mother tongue education ends at primary level. Secondary should all be in Malay. Tertiary we can liberate the medium of instruction.
You are not referring to Proton, I hope?
Has Singapore’s (sorry to bring up the “little red dot” again!) education system suffered adverse consequences from being English-based (in spite of a population that is 75% ethnic Chinese)?
To my mind, Lee Kuan Yew was pragmatic enough to understand what would work and what would be needed to keep Singapore “relevant” to the International community. That included facing down the Chinese chauvinists and implementing a national education system based on English from pre-school to tertiary level.
Are Singaporeans any less “Singaporean” because they attend English-medium schools and because they study a mandatory “mother tongue” second language? And because they use English in business, law, politics and daily discourse?
I have no qualms about the Malaysian national education system (the public-funded part of it) being based on Bahasa Kebangsaan or Bahasa Malaysia – as long parents have freedom of choice how and where they want their children to be educated – in local “international” schools, in Singapore schools or in overseas schools (like in Australia or Britain).
As do the Japanese, Koreans, Indians, French, Spanish, Thais, Indonesians etc in their national languages – as you have pointed out.
But they should not use fluency in the national language (in this case Bahasa Kebangsaan or Bahasa Malaysia) to seek preferential treatment in the private sector – such as pushing for hiring quotas based on race/ethnicity and national language fluency.
I am referring to Proton, Top Glove, Beryls, Joven, Ghee Hiang, Pensonic, Mamee, Khind, Getha, Goodmaid, Anakku, Genting Group etc.We must aspire to be a producer of strong international brands.
We are not Singapore. What LKY did for Singapore in terms of English is not borne out of simple pragmatism, but an idealist approach to bilingualism. He admitted it himself in the Parliment, saying that he originally thought it was possible for people (Singaporeans) to learn two languages at the same time (one English plus one mother tongue of choice). He admitted he was wrong, but in typical LKY style, he said would not have picked an alternative policy but would have moderated its implementation.
You see, to LKY, he believed that Singapore has no choice but to pick English and everyone else has to learn their own mother tongue AS A SECOND LANGUAGE. The former is for international trade and the latter for cultural identity. If you are an educator and you are familiar with UNESCO’s recommendations, you will understand that this is a highly irregular approach (to be exact – SUDAH TERBALIK). Even till the end of his days in office, he warned against monolingualism, but urged more space to keep mother tongues languages alive.
The truth of the matter is that a national language policy is meaningless if it is not the educational medium of instruction. In this instance, UNESCO’s recommendation is to promote mother tongue education for as long as possible at the primary / early stages, with the acquisition / mastery of the national / mainstream language as the end outcome. This is to enable non-native speakers to unite with the rest in national education systems at the secondary level, where a third (if different), international language is taught. This is the multilingual policy recommendations of UNESCO, and you can check this out in its major documents.
The problem we face is that the DJZ chauvinists are pushing for mandarin-based education from primary to tertiary levels, thus alienating the younger generation of Chinese Malaysians from the rest of the population.
I disagree with private or international schools at primary level because that will allow the rich to escape the problem of maintaining quality in public schools. I can accept private schools at secondary level and beyond because they can be using a different syllabus or a different medium of instruction. No public funds should ever go towards private or international schools to perpetuate and widen the gap of the haves and have-nots.
Currently, nobody could be bothered with the decline of public schools because it is so much easier to just avoid the problem by sending your children to private or international schools or overseas. Humans are basically selfish creatures.
LKY was pragmatic and savvy enough to realise that post-1965 and after the British forces pullout from their bases in Singapore, the city-state had little choice but to “plug itself” into the region and the world.
It was all about survival in the face than often less-than-friendly rhetoric and actions from certain quarters in Malaysia.
So LKY was determined to make Singapore the “only good kid in a bad neighbourhood”.
Zero-sum? Maybe, but back then, it was all about survival.
Hence his (and his then Cabinet’s) decision to adopt English as the official language of government, law and commerce and as the medium of instruction in Singapore’s schools and tertiary education institutions, were driven by this overriding imperative.
You can read his memoirs for an amplification of his views on the subject.
The crux of the matter, which you haven’t answered, is whether Singaporeans are any less “Singaporean” because their education system is English Language-based and whether the mandatory study (with certain exceptions) of mother tongues (Mandarin, Malay and Tamil at the start) qualifies them as effectively bilingual?
UNESCO may have put forward certain principles, but they are not binding on member countries.
Which is why LKY and his Cabinet colleagues decided back then to implement policies that they strongly believed would be right for Singapore. And to ruthlessly discard these policies if they weren’t effective or had outlived their usefulness.
You see, it keeps coming back to the “only good kid in a bad neighbourhood” analogy.
Fast forward from pre-1965 to today and I would argue that Singapore hasn’t done too badly, all things considered.
Which brings me back to what kicked off this thread – that bitter and resentful Malaysians should emigrate.
re: “Which is why LKY and his Cabinet colleagues decided back then to implement policies that they strongly believed would be right for Singapore.”
So LKY believed that English was better for his country than Hokkien, the mother tongue of the majority.
(Tun is also now doing what he believes to be right for Malaysia.)
Malaysia is not the ultra kiasu Singapore. The majority here are Muslim.
The Chinese allowed LKY to swap their education stream (Chinese schools were forcibly closed) for English. The Malays are not Chinese. They won’t allow that. That’s why there’s the saying – Hujan emas di negeri orang, hujan batu di negeri sendiri, baik juga di negeri sendiri.
Didn’t you understand? LKY himself made bilingualism a policy because your mother tongue shapes you culturally. He made mother tongues a second language because he believed English was more imperative to Singapore’s survival.
How can then Singaporeans become less Singaporean when the official policy of being a Singaporean is to be anglicized? Your thinking is clearly flawed. Singaporeans today are less Chinese, Malay, Indian etc. because of its language policy, that is what LKY is lamenting – that PAP’s policies have reduced the island’s multicultural identity and made it susceptible to westernized values and ideas. Given a choice he would pick the same language policy again but he would have been more lenient in its implementation so that more of the multicultural identities get preserved. LKY ruthlessly blotted out differences because he needed a homogenous WORKFORCE and that is more important than a heterogeneous SOCIETY.
Obviously we read the same memoirs, but where did your understanding and mine began to differ?
And by the way, the analogy you offered is incorrect. Singapore is a small state in a bad neighbourhood and that was used to justify its spending on military arms. It is definitely unrelated to the language policy.
Of course Singapore has done well for itself, many island states could boast no such GNI per capita. However, you must realize that the language policy is not responsible for the miracle economic progress. The bilingualism policy actually FAILED, it was difficult and it was hard. About 1/3 of Singaporeans now speak English at home, another 1/3 Mandarin, about 14% still speak Chinese dialects (see Leimgruber, 2013).
Singapore’s economic miracle started as early as the mid-1960s when annual GDP reached double-digits at the height of 1970 (almost 14%). After a brief slump caused by the oil crisis in the early 70s, it reached double-digits again in the 80s and 90s (with the exception of the 1985 global recession (between 10%-12%). Clearly, Singapore language policy enabled the government to move its value chain ahead due to its integration with the global economy, but the real spark of the Singapore story is export-reliant manufacturing. How much English do you need to work in a production line? Hongkong, an island state that did not adopt an English-based language policy, was at a better starting point than Singapore in 1965, but Singapore overtook it in the late 1990s. Nevertheless, Hongkong’s chaotic future still shines brighter than Singapore’s in economic terms simply because of China’s rise.
To put it simply, it is IMPOSSIBLE for Malaysia to take the Singapore language policy route not just because of politics alone. Secondly, I don’t see why Malaysians should be bitter or resentful vis-à-vis language policy. Our country did not maximise its economic capacity to preserve our multicultural identity (and also to reengineer its socioeconomic landscape). Is it a good trade-off? The historical journey of a country is long and we are still young nations compared to US, UK or China.
I know where I am placing my bets for myself and my children (and hopefully her children’s children) as well as my other fellow Malaysians. This country is big enough for all of us, and if we work together, we can build a better Malaysia. We have made it thus far, perhaps not as spectacular as Singapore (or a strange Brunei), but my country requires her own development plan. LKY’s clearly worked for the 74% majority Chinese (even I doubt that), but I think he would have been disastrous in keeping Malaysia together.
“I am referring to Proton, Top Glove, Beryls, Joven, Ghee Hiang…”
Didn’t know that Beryls is a local brand- very nice chocolate (not too sweet), a lot better than Cadbury and not cheap too!
I hate Nsync,
There is no discrimination against non Malays in the civil service.
The bulk of civil service is from Malay community. Do remember that it is written in Constitution that priority to be given to Malays and bumiputera when it comes to scholarship and civil services.
Priority for Malays is due to the simple fact of mind boggling more than 1 million citizenship granted by Raja raja Melayu to non Malays.
Meaning the priority on civil service for Malays is in RETURN TO such generosity of Malays who are unchallenged until today. of course saying that today will make Malays being accused as racist
Try as I might, I really can’t understand your logic here.
Are you saying that “priority for Malays” means that everyone else who is not in that select coterie is regarded as “second class”?
If there is that “priority” in existence, then why bother continuing with saying that “there is no discrimination against non Malays in the civil service” (your words, as written)?
It seems you are reducing the matter to a quid pro quo.
What’s next – priority by race in the private sector? In the operations of MNCs in the country?
It’s a slippery slope you are treading on here.
I hate to correct your errors which is wrong on a number of levels.
Article 153(2) specifically mentions that the King can “ensure the reservation for” Bumiputeras “of such proportion… deem reasonable of positions in the public service (other than the public service of a State) and of scholarships, etc…”. The same Article 153 clause 5 stated that “This Article does not derogate from the provisions of Article 136.
What is Article 136? Articles 132-148 deals with the public service and it says “ALL PERSONS OF WHATEVER RACE in the same grade in the service of the Federation shall, subject to the terms and conditions of their employment, be treated IMPARTIALLY”.
I am not disputing the “reasonable” quota for Malays and the natives of Sabah and Sarawak. Far from it, even though the proportion of Chinese and Indian civil servants dropped from a combined 34.5% in 1969/70 to 10.3% in 2009 (Woo, 2015). The reason for Article 153(2) was to ensure that there will be Malays holding senior civil service posts (at that time, a minority non-Malay civil service formed the bulk of top management positions in the Malaysian civil service). In 1968 for example, only 37.4% of the Division 1 officers are Malay (Khoo, 2005). Even before the NEP, new non-Malay appointment was limited to one for every four Malay appointments (as former Chief Justice Mohamed Suffian Hashim explained in 1976, it was only meant for 5 services only [Home Service and Foreign Service, Judicial and Legal Service, Custom Service, Police and Armed Forces]).
When the NEP was introduced, this sped up the Malay domination of the civil service at all levels as evident from MAPEN statistics in 1999 where Malays and Bumiputeras make up 76.9% of the civil service. The racial breakdown by kumpulan pengurusan / professional (67.9% Malay) and sokongan (78.4% Malay) shows that the Chinese and Indians still make up 29.7% of the managerial and professional positions, but today, the non-Malays are few and far in between in senior positions and even less so in top posts. Ahmad and his colleagues in a recent 2010 paper claimed that there is a lack of empirical studies on the unfair treatment of non-Malays in an ethnicized civil service, but even he acknowledged that the lopsided civil service being largely perceived as Malay is a serious problem. To quote the authors, “a HIGHLY UNREPRESENTATIVE bureaucracy has the potential to create severe negative implications”, his words, not mine.
My personal experience is that an increasingly homogenous civil service has inevitably led to de-secularization of the public sector and serious accusations of non-Malays being bypassed for top posts in favour of less capable or more junior Malay civil servants.
It is not that the government does not know this. In fact, since the lowest point in 2008, numerous measures were taken to address this imbalance in the civil service and the recruitment statistics showed that the share of non-Malays in the public sector has improved. In 2011, Chinese and Indian civil servants make up about 13.4%, a strong improvement from the 8.9% in 2008 (Woo, 2015).
As of 2014, the percentage of Chinese and Indians dipped again to 9.3% of the 1.6 million public workforce, and Malays make up 78.8%, Sabah natives 6.1% and Sarawak natives 4.8%. If we exclude the police and armed forces, the share of Chinese (6.2%)and Indians (4.4%) in the civil service improves slightly to 10.6%.
The issue, to me at least and not to our Parliamentarians in the Dewan Rakyat, is how can the civil service fulfil its duties as per Article 136 and not Article 153. The dominance of the Malays in the civil service is not only undisputed, it is a fact and the government is now saying that there are now NO MORE RACIAL QUOTA in the hiring of civil servants, except for Indians. The crux now is to address the problem of promotions based on merit, not based on connections. Kalau tanya penjawat awam Melayu pun mereka tak puas hati. Yang naik pangkat bukannya kerana mereka berkebolehan tetapi ramai yang naik kerana pandai mengampu atau ada pasang kabel (pasang ilmu lain saya tak tau-lah). The real problem in civil service today, like most of the civil service in other countries, is promoting based on abilities, not patronage.
In your mind Shamsul, apakah perkadaran sekarang munasabah atau tidak? Kalau tuduhan mengatakan kaum Cina sekarang memang tak minat kerja kerajaan, apakah puncanya? Apakah sebab-sebabnya? Berdosa menidakkan sesuatu yang benar dan jelas (siap bersuluh lagi). Kenapa mengiyakan penipuan golongan pelampau ketuanan Melayu?
Malays have clearly been (and still is) prioritized in the civil service. Anything else is clearly discrimination. Article 136 stated that there should not be discrimination on the basis of race in the civil service but kita tengok saja komposisi kaum peringkat tertinggi. Ya, Melayu ramai so memang wajarlah kebanyakannya jawatan utamanya dipegang orang Melayu. Soalannya senang saja, berapa orang KSU Cina atau India sekarang dalam kementerian-kementerian kerajaan. In 2011, ada 6 orang KSU bukan Melayu dan Perkasa pun dah buat bising. Daripada hampir 40 orang Ketua Setiausaha atau Ketua Pengarah hari ini, cuma tinggal 2 Cina, 1 Sikh dan 1 Eurasia.
So I repeat my dear Shamshul, nobody can deny the quota applied on the civil service intake has been wildly successful. The real problem is now that it is TOO successful and in reality Article 136 is not adhered to. Takkan fasal-fasal dalam perlembagaan yang sama, satu ikut sampai terlampau tapi klausa yang satu lagi senyap saja walaupun gagal dipatuhi?
So, cutting through the verbiage, what do you suggest?
A race-blind colour-blind approach to hiring and promotions in the public sector, including the security apparatus?
How will you sell this to the “heartlanders” who form the backbone of Umno support or to the “right wingers” who refuse to compromise on Malay/bumiputra priorities and agenda?
I ask this in all seriousness because the latter is a never-ending process that keeps feeding on itself.
Can some people be faulted for coming to the conclusion that there is no place under the (Malaysian) sun for them and their children and that they are better off seeking their fortunes elsewhere?
This is precisely the issue that has been bedevilling the country post-1969.
And no one has been able to come up with any sensible solutions that the majority of Malaysians can accept and buy into.
Meanwhile, the rest of the world moves on. Messily, perhaps, but still moving on.
As was written “time and tide wait for no man…..”
Have you watched Zahra’s mten video?
Kinda hammy but the point gets across.
Golly, she sounds like orang mendeklamasi sajak. Her delivery is at odds with her speech content.
Quote: I believe our national education system should be in bahasa kebangsaan for the same reason the Japanese educate their young in Japanese, the Korean educate their young in Korean etc etc and why the current Miss Japan Ariana Miyamoto who is black speaks Japanese.
Ariana is a Japanese and her first language is indeed Japanese. But she has endured her share of discrimination for the very fact she is of different color. Speaking the language is not a guarantee against alienation. Especially when governmental policies are resolved on some kind of race-based elitism and the onus being placed on the non-favored masses to harvest the spirit of nationalism out of the ashes of division. (The favored vs the rest)
It would be interesting to delve into the early assimilators, the Peranakans, and their eventual re-assimilation into the Chinese culture by their young today. I believe some useful indication could be found there.
re: “the early assimilators, the Peranakans, and their eventual re-assimilation into the Chinese culture by their young today”
You’re correct about the re-assimilation into the Chinese culture by their young today. In fact, I believe that the Baba Nyonya are on the verge of extinction.
The Chinese will never assimilate.
But pls keep in mind the fate of the Rohingyas as an illustration of when the alien minority is hated by the majority who are of a different skin colour and religion.
To your point regarding the fate of the Rohingyas, if that is the case here, I’m saying ‘if’ for fear of being seen too presumptuous, then let’s just be upfront about it.
No point trying to address everything except the very thing.
re: “No point trying to address everything except the very thing.”
I agree. So instead of bullshitting on Malaysian First and Anak Malaysia, why don’t the penjelma address why they are disliked and viewed with suspicion?
Is it because the majority are “racist”, “extremist” and “bigots”?
Oh well, “haters gonna hate”. So despite the minority being so full of love, all their peace and harmony vibes are being repaid with “hate” instead of love, peace and harmony measure for measure. What a strange world we live in.
So, haters are going to hate, like apologists come up with Christianity, evangelicals and rich Chinese as euphemism for good old bigotry?
re: “good old bigotry”
But of course the critics must be bigots (and racists and extremists). Uolz are most naturally meek and mild, full of love and always seeking peace and harmony.
‘Uolz are most naturally meek and mild, full of love and always seeking peace and harmony.’
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