What an odd couple.
J-Star breaking story here.
Btw, 86 percent of the EvangeliSTAR readers are “happy” to read the story about Tun’s second appearance at Bersih.
Tun at Bersih again, with Zaid Ibrahim
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Helen Ang 
And suddenly all his jew-bashing, Chinese-bashing, Christian-bashing antics are all forgiven. And what he did to Anwar too. The saying the enemy of my enemy is my friend rings true here. He is the father of Munafikun.
So does this mean all Mahathir did before is correct? That Anwar is really a gay?
Where are you coming from Zack? Go let off some steam …. and come back saner
Must be time for Helen to savage Tun’s reputation, motives and mental stability.
Maybe the Tun could be reminded about the provocations that precipitated May 13. Bersih will remind him in a clip doing the rounds if he has not already taken note of the anti Malay slurs that characterised much of Bersih 4.0
I will try to load it on my facebook page. A few more are coming in which will dislodge that sanctimonious claims to Bersih being nothing more than a democratic peaceful rally to end corruption and ensure free fair elections.
There are a few more which are despicably rabidly anti Malay and led by Chinese chauvinists in Bersih. it is unnecessary and unwarranted. But who ever believed the hogwash of Bersih not being a Chinese stalking horse (and Trojan Horse) to seize government must have rocks in their head.
For the sins of a vocal few others innocents at that will suffer. I think Low Yat was the first spurts of fire from an awakening Malay dragon.
I agree that Bersih is “Chinese stalking horse (and Trojan Horse) to seize government “.
Dr.M had said he did not support Bersih, but he support the Rakyat. It’s sort of ‘last resort’, for him. Maybe he is just making use of Kit Siang’s Bersih to bring down Najib. Just like the way Kit Siang is using Mat Sabu’s GHB to bring down the Malay dominance in politics.
‘Btw, 86 percent of the EvangeliSTAR readers are “happy” to read the story about Tun’s second appearance at Bersih.’
There are no good Malays in this country except the one dancing to their tune!
BTW, I’m sure esok AHJIBGOR buat makan besar lagi! Hooray!!!
… elok juga Tun hadir… .segala rahsia sudah terbongkar… mudah untuk mereka2 yang pro Melayu membuat keputusan yang tertunggak.. maknanya bukanlah sangat kerana Najib terima derma USD30J.. (USD700 masuk.. USD670 di kembalikan).. semasa PRU13 dulu.. dan juga sekarang jelas kenapa ‘Pengswastaan’ mengantikan DEB selama pemerintahan Tun..
He is licking the person he ostracised. Tak ada maruah!
Aah, everyone seems to have got on the Tun bashing bandwagon.
Let’s just put that most common cliche out in front: Politics makes strange bedfellows.
I’m not about to join. I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt, the same way I gave Najib the benefit of the doubt when 1MDB first appeared on the radar way back in 2013.
It could be Tun’s been reading Baltasar Gracián’s “How to use your enemy” or “The Art of Worldly Wisdom”, or it could be he’s tired of waiting for the Umno bigwigs to do something about Najib. That is his prerogative, right or wrong.
And speaking of Gracián, he said “Half the world is laughing at the other half, and folly rules over all” which is the perfect summation for the nation right now.
i find the Tun bashing despicable.
You don’t find the Najib bashing despicable? The nasty nicknames they give him are not despicable? Stepping on his face/photo (again) is not despicable?
This entire Bersih 4.0 is the purpose-built arena for Najib bashing, says the Utusan front page strap today. I agree with the Umno paper on this.
They having a two-day weekend bashing of our country’s Prime Minister and Tun joined the DAP rabble who are doing it.
Helen,
We know that they whack Najib as he leads the government. To them, Najib is sinful as he leads a Malay dominated government. to kit Siang, for an UMNO leader to lead a government is already sinful.
S’okay. Tun previously complained that Najib is lembik but the PM is being forced by circumstances to toughen up. And I trust Rahman Dahlan, Salleh Keruak, Mahdzir Khalid et al to whack back. And hopefully Azalina Othman the taekwondo black belter too will bagi them kaw-kaw.
Good? Or should we be careful what we wish for (in hankering for a war general)?
I find the whole concept of Bersih despicable. They can sugarcoat it, they can justify it with their objectives, they can spin it anyway they want, it will not make Bersih any more legitimate than me driving through a red light when no police are around.
The whole premise of Bersih 4 is flawed. They put up Bersih 1 and ask for changes in the election process. SPR made some concessions. It was not enough. When will the government realise that to these people it is never enough until they take over the running of the country and then they will declare that everything is too much?
My stand from the start was that since we do not have the ISA and so can’t preempt and arrest these people like Ops Lalang, the authorities should have just lined up the FRU, Police and Army trucks and just herd the protestors as they arrive onto the trucks and put them in a stadium and start issuing summons or warrants or whatever to them if they want to leave. Too lazy to look up but if there’s a fine involved, surely the government can raise quite a bit and Bersih can honestly say they contributed to the economy of the country.
The Najib or even Hadi bashing just proved that the organisers were deceiving themselves that this is about clean elections or government. No it was about showing Umno (and Malays) the Cina solidarity.
Najib must line up a war cabinet and put BN on a war footing now.
These people, his political opponents, want to (politically) ‘kill’ him and bury the BN six feet underground. Then they’ll piss on the grave.
Therefore the BN chairman should confront the present situation with the firmness that it deserves. Learn from Beijing.
Since it doesn’t look like Najib is going anywhere soon let’s play a game, call it “If I were Najib, …”
I’ll go first.
If I were Najib, I would …
1. instruct the KDN to start rounding up the Bersih 4 organizers, agitators and all those who made speeches on the days of the rally and all those who stepped on the posters of PM or Jalur Gemilang and start charging them
2. Sack MCA if any of their members can be proven to be at the rally. That goes for Gerakan or MIC.
3. Make sure that the scholarships or whatever given out by the government is given inversely proportionate to the race ratio of the Bersih participants, so Bumi get 90%, 10% Indians, Cina 0%
(2) had crossed my mind earlier but only wrt MCA.
(3) is a hoot.
My porposal: Sack Saifuddin Abdullah from Umno, strip his of all his sinecures and shut down GMM.
The police have already opened files on the media barons Tong Kooi Ong and Ho Kay Tat of The Edge. How come NFA? Similarly Jahabar Sadiq and his dajjals in TMI have been investigated for sedition against the Council of Rulers? NFA also.
Eric Paulsen has been questioned twice by police. NFA. And what happened to the outstanding case against Haris Ibrahim? When is his court appearance?
MCA is a duri dalam daging but the pro-establishment Malay electorate will know how to deal with the party in GE14. I’m very confident that MCA is on its last legs as a dead man walking. It is its Nest of Evangelistas that is the menace.
There is no national coalition under Najib. The nation under him has become unprincipled and dishonorable. Najib is not a son of the Malay heritage.
The opposition is much worse. We’re picking the lesser of the two evils.
Honestly, pls understand what the Bintang Tiga were capable of doing. DAP’s evangelistas are Bintang Lima. More virulent.
i hate the so called pakatan dominated by dap… but najib is the evil to the malays… if najib still the pm in the next g.e., i will give my vote to pas.
Why do you think Najib is evil?
“Why do you think Najib is evil?”
Have you been living under a rock?
Why do YOU think Najib is evil?
I think the opposition would not have committed an overt blunder like the international 1MDB scam; whose managing directors do not even consider Tabung Haji funds sacrosanct.
While wayward characters like Jho Low will jolly up with you wherever mega bucks may be gained whether you’re the UMNO head or DAP chief no matter. It’s rather about the moral fiber of those who would set themselves up as leaders of men.
re: “I think the opposition would not have committed an overt blunder like the international 1MDB scam”
The oppo would do much worse. Only they’re better at hiding and covering up.
As a cross ref. look at how Guan Eng used ‘Bersih’ as his state Merdeka 2015 slogan but with a sleight of hand, pretended that he was honouring Tun’s “Bersih, Cekap dan Amanah” instead when he got the heat. They do this all the time – tipu, bohong, putar-belit, fitnah.
Sneaky bastards.
Do you know why Kit Siang came up with the taunt ‘United Morons National Orgaization’? The “Dumno” are not as cunning as his crafty son.
Will 1MDB happen if it was DAP in Putrajaya?
If 1MDB was a programme under the DAP’s watch, the Sekolah Demokrasi DAP (who are so much better at brainwashing) will have the country believing that Arab Sheikhs scammed us of our hard-earned money.
re: “whose managing directors do not even consider Tabung Haji funds sacrosanct”
Before this, there had been no complaints about how the TH fund managers did their job. Just looking at it from the business angle on the TH side alone (and minus the perception politics), it wasn’t a bad deal for TH to buy that prime land in the heart of KL.
Granted that there is a political fallout due to the appeal to emotions (i.e. touching the pilgrim’s fund!) but can you really question the professionalism of the TH decision if neither side (Umno, oppo) were playing perception politics?
re: Najib’s “moral fibre”
He has to deal with a population where the Dapster sneaky evangelistas hold sway. Someone in his position ruling a country where the minority is so viciously hostile needs an iron spine and a will of steel.
Recall that the army stepped up just a couple of days ago to announce that they’re prepared to act should a state of Emergency be declared.
As a malay I can honestly tell you that while we are angry at Najib over 1MDB and donation issue, we are also aware that the DAP is capable of worse. But Dap would make sure they cover up their trails.
Let’s face it elections require a lot of money to drum up supporters and win, and Dap would need plenty more to move their voters around especially to make sure their big names win by a huge margin.
Maybe you are right they would not blunder but they would definitely ratakan gunung, kambus lombong, dalamkan sungai and totally change the landscape of the country in all aspects.
As for changing the political and economic landscape in all its aspects all educated Malaysians should be aware of what the PM and his aides are currently negotiating in secret with global corporate players … on issues of healthcare, education and public housing etc.
http://www.businesscircle.com.my/11-things-malaysians-know-trans-pacific-partnership-tpp-negotiations/
New Zealander citizens have no illusions about the dangers of the Trans Pacific Partnership proposal
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11497553
Have you all signed?
http://janganjualnegara.com/#/
What TPPA will achieve for Malaysians: the most dense and most expensive cities in the world where ministers manage the country like global CEOs and the locals are “almost forgotten”
http://www.tremeritus.com/2015/08/31/singapores-many-unique-unenviable-firsts/
Saya dah. Siap promote lagi. HH and AC-DC dah ke??
“Therefore the BN chairman should confront the present situation with the firmness that it deserves. Learn from Beijing.”
That will only backfire. When he has an unexplainable RM2.6 billion in his accounts, on top of the 1MDB issue, any show of force will only prove that he has something really big and serious to hide.
“You don’t find the Najib bashing despicable?”
Have you gone out of your mind? Najib has brought everything onto himself. He stayed silent on all major issues for years. Now, 1MDB’s investigations has mysteriously been called off and RM 2.6 billion is being described as a donation with no proof whatsoever.
On top of this, the people are not happy with issues such as GST which pushes up inflation from an already ridiculous level.Start traveling and you will realise just how expensive Malaysia is.
Helen, please wake up and stop living in your fantasy world. Start being objective about a PM who has done so much to ruin the country. I wasn’t a huge fan of Dr M’s affirmative action policies, but at least I could see that he had the country’s best interests at heart. Najib on the other hand would rather see the country go bankrupt than to relinquish his power.
re: “Najib has brought everything onto himself.”
I half agree. He brought some of it upon himself.
re: “He stayed silent on all major issues for years.”
This one I agree three-quarters.
re: “Now, 1MDB’s investigations has mysteriously been called off”
Not called off. PAC is to resume in Oct.
re: “RM 2.6 billion is being described as a donation with no proof whatsoever.”
Oh well. Anyone who objects to Bersih 4.0 is being called an Umno macai and paid whore anyway. With no proof whatsoever.
re: “On top of this, the people are not happy with issues such as GST which pushes up inflation from an already ridiculous level.”
160 countries in the world implement GST. Malaysia wants to be like everybody else.
re: “Start traveling and you will realise just how expensive Malaysia is.”
Urm, the Bersih 4.0 participants in the photo did not find Starbucks expensive.
re: “Helen, please wake up and stop living in your fantasy world.”
I see 8-9 Chinese out of every 10 persons in the Bersih photos. You see “zero Chinese”, “no Malays and no Indians either, all Malaysians”. Who is fantasizing?
re: “Start being objective about a PM who has done so much to ruin the country.”
I am being objective. If I were not, I’d be ranting away.
re: “I wasn’t a huge fan of Dr M’s affirmative action policies”
NEP was Tun Razak’s baby. Tun Mahathir is better known for Malaysia Inc. and privatizing the country. Crony town got its huge boom during the Dr M era.
re: “but at least I could see that he had the country’s best interests at heart”
I believe Tun loves Malaysia, yes.
re: “Najib on the other hand would rather see the country go bankrupt”
Option A: “My name is Najib and I’m the PM of a prosperous country.”
Option B: “My name is Najib and I’m the PM of a bankrupt country.”
Which would you choose if you were him?
re: “than to relinquish his power”
I don’t think he should knuckle down to the people who want to kick him out of office. Once ejected from his PM seat, they will do really horrible, horrible things to him.
Helen,
You said it all.
I must agree that Najib too must shoulder the blame. He creates unnecessary problems to UMNO, BN.
The Rm24 million right though Rafizi admitted he only joked about it already damaged Najib’s credibility.
But the truth is that those worshipping DAP are guilty for painting Najib as cruel. That is too much.
I believe the major reason why Malays shied away from BERSIH 4 is those in PAS already realises the character of DAP. DAP is ruthless even it does not have total power yet.
It behaves as if it owns PR. It hit PAS non stop which is very nauseating to put it mildly.
Though Malays are upset with Najib , they still have issues with DAP.
Malays are asking why BERSIH 4 was held in heart of Malay trading area. why not organise Bersih 4 in Petaling Street. They can see how racist DAP is.
Utusan Malaysia columnist said it correctly. Najib better learn to forget trying to woo the Chinese.
Bagi apa pun mereka sapu. tapi undi tetap DAP. lepas tu kurang ajar pula
re: “But the truth is that those worshipping DAP are guilty for painting Najib as cruel. That is too much.”
Yup, they’re waaaay too much.
re: “I believe the major reason why Malays shied away from BERSIH 4 is those in PAS already realises the character of DAP. DAP is ruthless even it does not have total power yet.”
Ruthless. And vicious too.
re: “It behaves as if it owns PR. It hit PAS non stop which is very nauseating to put it mildly.”
It does many things that fill me with revulsion and disgust. Yet their staunch supporters will still try to defend the indefensible.
‘Though Malays are upset with Najib , they still have issues with DAP.’
Same here.
No, not at all. im in the anti Najib camp Helen, i will admit to that.
many of my peers ( Malays who were not at Bersih) , are also anti Najib camp.
and ive made up my mind about Najib. mark my words, amongst urban Malays, he will not win any more votes.
I’m not sure if you will be able to get what I’m trying to tell you. This is from the perspective of a 10 percent Chinese BN voter, okay.
For several/many justifiable reasons, you and your friends are anti-Najib. I understand. If you’ll browse my blog archives, I’ve plenty of complaints against Najib myself.
You think Najib is bad. I think the opposition, esp. the DAP is much worse. And our politics is at a critical juncture where a tipping point might occur because the BN has already lost the popular vote.
You plan to withdraw your support for Najib-Umno-BN because of him. The consequences of a critical mass of Malays doing this, i.e. rejecting Umno because of Najib, is surely that BN will lose GE14 and thus Malays losing Putrajaya.
The incoming government will be one that controlled by the DAP puppetmaster. Have you pondered deeply on the consequences of a DAP-dominated government albeit one that is fronted by a Malay figurehead?
Janganlah marahkan nyamuk bakar kelambu.
To elaborate:
We can’t make our political decisions based on whether we think Najib is good or bad (black & white).
Homogeneous countries like Japan, Korea and Taiwan can kick out one ruling party and replace it with another, and then later switch back again.
In Malaysia, we don’t have this luxury. You have to seriously factor in that the political challengers are Sneaky Bastards and what they’re capable of. You complacent Malays simply have not/cannot fathom the severity of the threat, except for the older generation Malays who lived through the Bintang Tiga reign of terror.
Once BN loses Putrajaya, you will never be able to get it back. Selangor is an example. Ambil iktibar.
“Homogeneous countries like Japan, Korea and Taiwan can kick out one ruling party and replace it with another, and then later switch back again.
In Malaysia, we don’t have this luxury.”
The only way for an incumbent to seriously reform is for it to lose power. It is mere fantasy to think Barisan Nasional can fix the rot by merely replacing Najib with someone else. That was done with Abdullah Badawi, and repeated again with Najib. It did not effectively work. The rot goes deep, into the lower level leaders and divisional branches. Even more Umno members themselves now realise this fact.
The Melayu are happily enjoying the Sehati Sejiwa concert. lol.
Any way Happy Merdeka to all and enjoy (my favourite)
Tak dak apa yang maruah hilang yang nak dikesalkan
yang dibimbangkan nanti hilang kuasa dek sebab nak kengkang dan perasaan tamak haloba
Haiyaaa
Finally total headcount belapa olang datang?
Asyik tunjuk gambaq olang Islam solat satu lua balis, itu saja ke wakil yang datang dari gorongan majoriti Negala ini?
Ini hali mau tengok pula belapa olang muka2 Bersih4 yang akan ambil bahagian dalam menyertai perbarisan sempena sambutan ulangtahun kemerdekaan negara?
Seribubulan, please answer why u think Najib is evil….i am also following….
Seribulan not seribubulan, sorry…
let me answer for him cause why, najib resurrect of hantu jepun, Zeti also scared of the moment…..