Analisa berikut melihat pada pola undi popular PRU12.
Calon-calon MCA tewas 25 kerusi Parlimen di mana mereka kalah kepada 17 calon pembangkang Cina dan 8 calon Melayu/India.
MCA kalah paling teruk di Seputeh, iaitu sebuah kawasan Cina pekat (89.7% pemilih Cina) di mana Teresa Kok telah menang dengan majoriti terbesar 36,492 undi.
Parti itu kalah paling tipis di Wangsa Maju (majoriti 150) dan juga di Bakri (722), Kuantan (1,826) dan Bandar Tun Razak (2,515).
Bakri terletak di kubu Johor MCA manakala calon-calon Melayu PKR Fuziah Salleh (Kuantan, 60% pemilih Melayu) dan Khalid Ibrahim (Bandar Tun Razak, 52.7% Melayu) hanya mampu mengatasi MCA dengan majoriti kecil.
Sebagai perbandingan, DAP dan PKR berjaya menumpaskan MCA di kawasan-kawasan Cina (lebih 50% pemilih Cina) dengan majoriti besar 10,000-30,000 undi. Akan tetapi calon Cina MCA kalah di kawasan Melayu kepada lawan Melayu dengan majoriti tipis.
Dua orang calon India DAP, Karpal Singh dan M. Kula Segaran, mengalahkan MCA di kawasan majoriti Cina — masing-masing 74.3 peratus pemilih Cina di Bukit Gelugor, Pulau Pinang dan 63.6 peratus Cina (Ipoh Barat).
Dua orang calon India DAP yang lain juga mengalahkan MCA di kawasan penduduk majmuk (mixed seats): Charles Santiago di Klang (47.1% pemilih Cina), John Fernandez di Seremban (45.8% Cina).
Sementara itu, calon Melayu PKR Zahrain Mohd Hashim – sekarang wakil bebas – mengalahkan MCA di Bayan Baru, Pulau Pinang (47.1% Cina).
Kekalahan MCA menunjukkan bahawa pemilih Cina telah mengundi calon parti pembangkang yang bukan Cina.
Makna ‘cauvinis’
Perkataan ‘cauvinis Cina’ membawa maksud seseorang itu akan senantiasa melebihkan kaumnya sendiri (yakni akan mengundi BN asalkan calon berbangsa Cina). PRU12 membuktikan ini satu tanggapan yang meleset.
Sebaliknya kekalahan MCA di tangan 4 orang calon India DAP dan seorang calon Melayu PKR – kelima-limanya di kawasan Parlimen majoriti Cina – membayangkan tekad untuk menghapuskan BN adalah jauh lebih kuat daripada naluri untuk mengekalkan semangat perkauman.
Semangat anti-BN sebenarnya sudah mencecah tahap teramat benci (berbanding dengan kebencian ini, cauvinisme Cina penyokong DAP sudah begitu luntur).
Walaupun penyokong DAP kini tampak sanggup mengundi PAS, namun adakah pengikut PAS pula sanggup mengundi DAP?
Sekiranya seorang calon Cina DAP diletakkan di kawasan 65-75 peratus majoriti Melayu (sepertimana Karpal dan Kula bertanding di kawasan 64-74 peratus Cina), adakah dia akan boleh menang atas sokongan Melayu PAS dan PKR?
Dengan BN, perkara ini memang berlaku.
Dalam PRU12, MCA menang tujuh kerusi di kawasan majoriti Melayu mengalahkan tujuh orang calon pembangkang Melayu (lihat jadual dan butir-butir di SINI).
Nota: Saya telah membuat kajian tempoh hari tentang 15 kerusi Parlimen yang diperolehi MCA pada pilihanraya 2008.
Ikatan setiakawan
Hubungan MCA-Umno adalah ikatan yang terjalin lebih setengah abad. Sepanjang tempoh ini, pemilih Cina memang tidak lepas daripada sifat keCinaan waima MCA itu tidak lain dan tidak bukan Malaysian ‘Chinese’ Association.
Fiil keCinaan kaum minoriti ialah satu constant (istilah matematik). Sejak dari zaman pra-Merdeka dulu, politik orang Cina berciri keCinaan.
Faktor keCinaan tidak menjadi batu penghalang kepada MCA bekerjasama dengan Umno ataupun untuk Cina bekerjasama dengan Melayu serta kaum-kaum lain.
Yang menjadi variable (perubah) baru – dahulunya tidak ada – ialah peranan agama Kristian di persada politik negara. Yang memimpin DAP sekarang ialah kelompok evangelis.
Sejak politik Kristianisasi berakar-umbi, ketegangan di antara kaum dan di antara agama meningkat. (Baca dakyah Guan Eng, SINI)
Evangelis agresif
Sebelum PRU12, peranan gereja tidak menonjol sepertimana sekarang.
Seminar guru di Johor baru-baru ini mengesan adanya “ancaman Kristianisasi”. Tidak ada mana-mana jabatan agama atau pertubuhan Islam pernah memberi amaran bahawa umat Islam menghadapi ancaman dakwah Buddhisme.
Politik Lim Guan Eng berpaksikan ide dan perbendaharaan kata politik dunia barat dan Christendom. Dewa-dewa retorik Guan Eng ialah Demokrasi, Kebebasan dan Keadilan.
Kalau penyokong pembangkang betul-betul ‘Cina chauvinis’ maka mereka akan berkiblatkan ibu pertiwi tanah besar Cina. The People’s Republic of China bukan sebuah negara demokratik. (Setiausaha agung DAP itu seorang kapitalis tegar.)
Sebelum itu selama beribu-ribu tahun, China mengamalkan pemerintahan dinasti keluarga diraja. Sistem feudalisme tidak berciri demokratik.
Demokrasi ialah pemikiran barat. ‘Demos kratos’ (kata dasar) berasal daripada bahasa Eropah, bukan bahasa Cina.
Anglophile
Guan Eng berpendidikan sekolah mubaligh La Salle dan bersekolah menengah Inggeris juga.
Dia menyandang jawatan setiausaha agung DAP mulai bulan Mei 2004. Kenyataan-kenyataan akhbarnya sebagai ketua parti selalu dibuat dalam bahasa Inggeris.
Sejak tahun 2008, kenyataan-kenyataan akhbar Guan Eng selaku ketua menteri Pulau Pinang juga ditulis dalam bahasa Inggeris dan baru kemudiannya diterjemahkan kepada bahasa Cina dan sekali-sekala dialih bahasa kepada BM.
Sekiranya Guan Eng seorang Cina cauvinis yang tulen, pasti dia akan mengagung-agungkan bahasa Cina. Ini tidak.
Malah penguasaan bahasa Mandarin Guan Eng lebih kurang sama taraf penggunaan bahasa Melayunya (ramai yang berkata demikian setelah menonton perbahasannya dengan Dr Chua Soi Lek).
Hannah Yeoh juga tidak mampu bertutur Mandarin. (Screenshot bawah, wawancaranya bersama ‘The Rocket’ pada 3 Nov 2010)
Hannah yang juga bergelar Ratu Twitter telah menghasilkan 8,700 tweet dalam bahasa Inggeris.
Dia dan Guan Eng berkelulusan universiti Australia. Hannah masuk universiti di pulau Tasmania. Seorang Cina cauvinis akan memilih universiti Taiwan, Hong Kong atau China.
Pucuk pimpinan DAP masa kini sebenarnya Mat Salleh Celup dan Kristian. Pasti bukannya ‘Cina’ cauvinis! Bahkan Cina bukit dianggap mereka sebagai “low class”.
Harap-harap orang Melayu akan sedar bahawa DAP bukan membawa adab Cina. Yang ghairah berdemo, membuat protes jalanan, duduk bantah dan candlelight vigil hanya meniru kaedah berpolitik orang putih.
Berkaitan:
Helen Ang 
sebenarnya ramai org melayu sedar yg DAP ni racist dan anti islam.
tapi melayu PAS (yg konon nya kuat agama) dan PKR (yg konon nya sangat melayu) penting kan kuasa dan duit.
apa saja yg berlaku di malaysia hinggakan terkentut dan terberak darah, BN la punca nya.
dulu (zaman pak lah) ramai yg suka mereka. sekarang ni, terang terang melayu benci mereka ini. DAP/PKR/PAS.
tapi untung nya ialah mereka tak sedar dan perasan bagus.
tak apa la.terus kan anggapan itu kalau boleh hingga selepas PRU13.
Helen,
I notice there is a shift in Chinese perspective although on a very insignificant scale.
I begin to notice some Chinese are not that happy with DAP’s method in dealing with non Chinese especially the Malays and by extension UMNO.
There are many various reasons for that. But chief among them are the debate between Dr Chua and the man who like to think that the Chinese world centers around him, none other than Guan eng.
It is very easy to speak for 2 hours in Ceramah condemning UMNO and trying to draw similarity between Najib and Hitler. But in the debate, there and then you are challenged. And everybody knows who between the 2 have substance and who is “tin kosong”.
Besides, chinese do notice Malays are going back to UMNO in substantial scale. Meaning UMNO’s position as the dominant party in Malay community is reemphasized again. Chinese( seen as cunninng by Malays, no offense) are strategic lot. Alliance with the loser will not benefit them.
YEs. They will give vote to DAP. But they are also realising that without MCA, they are without representation in Federal Govt. Dr Chua is very smart in reminding chinese that he will not accept Cabinet pos( also other MCA leaders) if the dismal performance remains in the coming election.
Besides after giving PR a chance to rule, people also can see that PRis not that good as it claims.
But Chinese must show DAP that its “forte’ which is waging war against the Malays just to secure and perpetuate Lim Dynasty will not be tolerated.
To my Chinese friend, there is no need to sacrifice the interest of entire community just to help politicians who are still trapped in Jurassic age.
Just as Malay must be strong to reject politicians especially from PAS who likes to act as if it has monopoly over islam, chinese must never select politicians who are bankrupt of idea and only known for triggering racial sentiment. the type that is so familiar in Guan Eng. Instead of addressing genuine concern on Bayan Mutiara mosque site( which is a genuine concern), he turned around and accusing those who raised the issue as racist.
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Thanks for the thoughts Shamshul. However a resolution passed by the MCA confab is that if the party does any worse than GE12, they will refuse to participate in govt. This means MCA will have to better their 15 seats won in 2008. Not sure if this is achievable given DAP’s stranglehold on the Chinese mind. — Helen
I saw CSL’s interview with TV3 and he’s pretty confident of doing better than GE12. Not sure if he really believes in what he says or it is mere psychwar.
I think the Chinese infatuation with DAP will last until 13GE.Once that’s over and when they realise the repercussions and that it is impossible for DAP to form govt under PR platform,their attitude will change.
Talk to any Chinese,they seem to be convinced that PKR and PAS are committed to remove the bumi special rights (article 153), the NEP, the status of Islam as well as sort of recognizing Chinese as one of the national languages. I m not sure when where did they get it. I guess may be from the DAP’s ceramah. I hope someone can upload into Youtube the ceramah where DAP commits to such misleading promises. The Chinese seems to be so convinced of this that it is almost impossible to convince them otherwise.
Helen your views ?
When I was compiling the stats on the 15 Parliamentary seats that MCA won & the 25 they lost, I noticed at the same time that the party’s state seats followed the same pattern of being gained on the back of Malay votes.
The million ringgit question is whether the Malay electorate will continue backing the non-Umno BN component parties in the next GE.
I hope MCA will keep to its promise of non-participation in govt should the Chinese voters desert them. Let the DAPsters turn to DAP to resolve their myriad complaints & woes. [Personal peeve: Rubbish (mine & all my neighbours’) uncollected sitting outside! So unsightly. Grrr … the service has been erratic to say the least.]
You’re quite correct about the impossibility of presenting a rational discussion to the Chinese. Look at the vicious mauling that my FMT article received & the DAPster four-lettered responses in this blog.
Most definitely DAP says different things to different audiences in different languages. Even their appearance (tudung & metaphorical serban) is deceitful.
Helen, this may interest you
http://muslimvillage.com/2012/04/09/21676/real-madrid-removes-cross-from-logo-to-get-muslim-support/. What more can i say Helen. Anything for $$$ & power without regard for humane identity.
MyINY, if the club put a cross to attract Christian fan’s , apa macam?
Kena tanya Helen, they had the salib for over 100 years now kena adjust for $$$, so how?
ya lah macam PAS to the malay audience, kita islam, kita betul.
sekarang to gain non muslim support islam sudah tukar jadi kebajikan.
nanti serban tukar jadi baseball cap?, apa macam pendirian PAS
tukar kiblat islam ke kiblat PR. cakap tak serupa bikin da.
I think everyone should acquaint yourselves with the concept of syncretisation. Politics tend to cause this phenomenon.
The more the people of the world interacts with one another, the more politicians and leaders will try to reconcile and combine various beliefs in order to appeal to a larger audience.
Helen,
MCA now is learning the hard way. Meaning only now it begin to realize DAP’s antic is going to bring clashes between Malay and Chinese.
Previously, MCA kept silent when DAP went on and on condemning MCA for its alliance with UMNO. DAP’s way is simple yet brutal. Any Chinese party that allies with UMNO is considered selling its soul to UMNO.
But MCA overlooks one part that is more detrimental to MCA than to UMNO. UMNO’s dominant position is unmatched even at height of “tsunami” on 2008/. Meaning it is still holding the lion share of malay votes.
It was MCA that suffered the most. Now MCA realised how dangerous to keep quiet . i am happy that Dr Chua has been untiring in his effort to criticize DAP. What he said about not participating in Federal govt is real. It is more to remind the Chinese that there is no two way about it.
DAP’s alternative is dangerous as it assumes Malay will kowtow to it . To the Malays, independence is useless if they are ruled by chinese. Exactly the way in PR where all decisions made by DAP.
Malay can see it. PAS renounces its goal for Islamic state just to please DAP. Is that not a sign of submission.
Despite what Guan Eng would want everybody to believe, DAP’s influence in Chinese community is not that solid. Meaning MCA can break the influence if it adopts this way:point blank in rebutting DAP’s antics.
MCA does not have to play to DAP’s antics. MCA must tell the Chinese of the reality. that no way the Malay will renounce the policies entrenched in constitution. so, The chinese must strop dreaming of Chinese as one of official language or Chinese as Deputy prime Minister.
MCA must be brave to tell the Chinese that NOT ONLY UMNO needs Chinese votes. But ,more importantly, MCA also needs Malay votes in order to be in Dewan Rakyat. already Malays are saying what is the big deal if MCA loses. Just appoint UMNO MP as Menteri Kesihatan or Pengangkutan.
By the way, for DAP to involve mosque in protest is actually agreeing with what UMNO has been saying all along. That DAP has never shown any respect for the state religion.
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Shamshul,
Realistically I do not expect 153 to be touched by either coalition & what you say about Malays not being able to accept a Chinese DPM is rather sad (but I wouldn’t either if the DPM was LGE! horror of horrors)
How do you foresee the Malays reacting to a strengthened DAP post GE13?
Helen
I think MCA has not done enough. I think they should go all out to combat the DAP in each and every way. Tooth by tooth, nail by nail. They must not be contented with just verbal rhetorics and written onslaughts. After all, as has been pointed out here, even the MSM newspapers like the Star have been infiltrated by DAPsters.
I think MCA must battle DAP with both manpower and money. They have the financial resources, can raise the funds. They must start having teams of cadres and work communist or PAP/DAP style. Use cadres, Pyramid Scheme or whatever. Get them moving to targeted constituencies on a daily basis. Get full time cadres and pay them salaries until PRU13.
I’d like to see MCA do what Nurul Izzah did – arrange and send out workers (MCA’s should be paid, full-time workers) door-to-door on one pretext or another. Visit all the Chinese New Villages of targeted constituencies in the country. Nurul’s volunteers were reported checking and verifying the SPR Voters List in Bangsar, even kena “citizen arrest” by UMNO people said to belong to Raja Nong Chik. MCA should do the same and more. Voter registration is another pretext. In the process, pump in their propaganda in whatever form deemed suitable to the designated areas, hand out pamphlets and the like. The Opposition are doing so even in the sprawling and spaced out state of Sabah.
MCA cannot and must not be relying on Malay voters and expect to win in Malay majority constituencies only. They have to recapture the seats lost to DAP in 2008.
I think the “strategy” of not participating in the Government if MCA is not voted in sufficiently is very short sighted. It gets laughed at by DAP and used as propaganda when they meet voters. MCA is capable of doing better. They must pull up their socks and do better. No two-way about it. BN must win big. MCA must do its part.
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Yes, ‘The Star’ sidelined Wanita MCA’s own chief and allowed the paper to become Warta Hannah. But what with the brutal mood that the Chinese are in (even the constituencies that MCA managed to retain in ’08 suffered alarmingly decreased margins), my gut feeling is that the Chinese will have their pound of flesh from MCA. The party needs a lifebuoy from the traditional BN votebank. No choice but to let the DAPsters swallow a bitter dose of DAP medicine the next 5 years. No amount of reasoning or persuasion will work at the moment. — Helen
Excuse the ignorance Helen, but which are “the constituencies that MCA managed to retain in ’08 suffered alarmingly decreased margins” and why do you think so other than “the brutal mood” the Chinese are in.
I’m just going by my gut feelings, but surely there must a sizeable number of sane and rational thinking Chinese out there who can see through the DAP undemocratic and gangsterish ways even without magnifying glasses.
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Anon,
N14. Teruntum
http://web7.bernama.com/events/elect2004/results/2004/pahang.html
http://thestar.com.my/election/maps/
PO9. Alor Setar
http://web7.bernama.com/events/elect2004/results/2004/kedah.html
http://ww2.utusan.com.my/utusan/special.asp?pr=pilihanraya2008&pg=kawasan/kedah_p9.htm
it was a discernible trend 2004 vs 2008
“a sizeable number of sane and rational thinking Chinese” … errr, can name some Chinese writers/bloggers pro-DAP vs anti-DAP as a yardstick?
Helen
Rational or irrational?
See reader responses to Gavin Khoo’s article today, ‘Is DAP the New Labour?’
PoorMalaysian: I believe the writer is a paid trojan horse of corrupt UMNO and BN.
Wilson: You are a pathetic ‘lap dog’……nothing better to do with your time…..hope you are well paid…..at least with a month’s supply of dog food…..otherwise go back to the hole you emerged from!
Tim: very shody arguments…
Or see screenshot.
Oh, you were referring to 2004 and 2008. Of course, 2008 was the tsunami year.
But judging from blogs may not be accurate. Even OverseasBumi said he had used non-Bumi names when commenting in an Oppo blog. And the number of comments does not reflect accurately the number of DAP supporters as many may use varying names for whatever purpose an individual may have.
DAP won only one seat in Kedah and PAS MB Azizan has repeatedly said he is not giving any party any additional constituency, sticking to the 2008 formula. However big the increase in DAP votes in Kedah will not add to DAP strength there.
But I’ll have to take liters of Brand’s Essence of Chicken (or whatever that might pay me to advertise their product in here!) to google the Chinese writers/bloggers pro-DAP vs anti-DAP. Btw, what is the product that is currently associated with instant energy – Milo?
See you to morrow, Helen.
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Hahaha. Not just portals & blogs but they flood Facebook & chat fora. Even weibo users have popped in at my blog (woooo) lately.
I’m aware that the DAPsters try to pass themselves off as Malay (think you’d have noticed too) online but they’re not always able to pull it off, e.g. other readers telling us that they (the imposters) have been caught out. And there’s that Ah Beng ‘aura’ that they can’t shed, just like PAS commenters have their own style (betul tak?) b’cos the written word ultimately reflects the thought processes/mindset.
As to quantity, I do think the ones that hit Gavin are using a form of fascism to silence dissenters — in tune with their Dear Leader’s gag orders. But they’re genuinely a lot in number. Take MK where only paying subscribers are allowed to comment.
Since I’m their target & have been having a running battle with them a couple of years now, I’m quite alert from coping with their constant harassment. So I can gauge (also my photographic memory from years of journo training). — Helen
On MCA not doing enough, they are now beginning to pull up their socks:
“MCA intensifies roadshow to reach out to voters
KUALA LUMPUR, April 10 (Bernama) — To reach out to more voters to regain their support, the MCA will intensify its road show programme in the next few weeks.”
They said it’s an ongoing programme started last year. But only sketchily – so far, held in Taiping and Seremban, and in the coming weekend in Subang Jaya.
They should now organise as many as possible, publicise it as widely as possible, get those involved and the Chinese public whipped up into a frenzy.
Good that “during the road show, ministers, deputy ministers and state Exco members from MCA will go down to meet the people through several programmes organised by the divisions.”
Really, they should have that system of cadres, fully paid workers dedicated to explaining, persuading and enlisting the maximum possible number of Chinese supporters to their side. Day in and day out from now until GE13.
They should always remember that MCA contested 40 parliamentary and 90 state seats in GE12 but performed badly, winning only 15 parliamentary and 31 state seats. They must play their part in the BN. Win the seats they lost in GE12.
Would you like to expand your statement of “a strengthened DAP post GE13”, Helen? You seem to have concluded that it’d be so. I’d be glad to know why.
1. Ikut S’wak
2. Johor
3. Kerusi-kerusi bandar yang diorang dok terlepas the last round
4. Pemilih muda
5. Yang kerja S’pore/luar negara akan balik mengundi
6. Cina lepaskan geram
7. Berani mati (kalau BN menang, takut Umno dendam)
8. Skandal-skandal BN — lembu dsb
Now you contribute your thoughts pls:
1. If DAP pulls ahead of the other two after GE13, what will PAS do in the Pakatan coalition?
2. Will PKR let DAP become opposition leader in Parliament?
I disagree with your conclusion of “a strengthened DAP post GE13″, Helen. As to your 2 questions,
1. If DAP pulls ahead of the other two, and continue to become arrogant with endless anti-Hudud statements and threats to sue like the Kedah entertainment centres fasting month ban, they’ll fight back that time. They’ll continue to be a constant source of irritation in PR, especially on Hudud. The Ulama want to cari makan and get support at the Muktamar against the Erdogan. After the GE, they no longer have to bite the bullets shot by Karpal Singh etc. They might even walk out mid term and team up with UMNO for GE14. If no 13 May recurrence or Mali style adventure by some fellows, that is. ref. your 6 & 7.
2. Nope, no DAP leadership. Anwar has nominated LKS as DPM candidate and he might think it blasphemous for DAP wanting to lead. Remember, PMship is Anwar’s religion.
Why does it make you sad that Malays won’t accept a Chinese DPM, Helen?
Even in my more liberal, open-minded view I think that a Chinese DPM can unduly affect the decisions of a Malay PM. For example, any policy favoring the chinese would seem like it originated from the chinese DPM and it would weaken the PM’s position.
The PM office is an institution. You should submit the argument to DAP/PR supporters that their hatred of PM Najib means they are undermining the PM office as an institution. If ever they get into power and assume that role, the PM position would seem compromised and may never regain its respected role.
Would you rather prefer a troika arrangement like in Lebanon where the president has to be maronite Christian, the speaker a Shia Muslim and the prime minister a Sunni Muslim?
Personally I wouldn’t want that.
Helen, are you watching NTV7’s Mandarin interview with PM Najib (9th Apr, 8:30 pm) ? :)
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Thanks for the heads up. Have just switched on the telly. — Helen
Helen,
No offense intended. Malays are a generous lot. But as goes the saying, there is a limit to one’s generosity.
Which explain why on last election constituent like Bandar Tun razak, Kuantan, Teluk kemang, Lunas, Pasir panjang were won by Malay candidates although they are from opposition side.
Agreeing to Chinese interest does not tantamount to allowing a Chinese to be the Deputy Prime Minister. actually that is not surprising. it is a normal affair in every part of the world. Surely, you would not expect a Malay to be the Deputy Prime Minister of singapore.
I am afraid the truth hurts. While Malays are comfortable with UMNO’s sharing power with non Malays, they are not trusting the non Malays in taking care of Malay interests. Of course, they would not tell that on your face.
Just because DAP or anybody say that they will respect Article 153 does not mean that Malays buy their words. Every Malays will vouch that the first thing to go if UMNO loses power is Malay Royalty and soon to be followed by all provisions on matters related to malays such as Islam, Bahasa Melayu and DEB.
There are a sizable section of Chinese community who realises how pathetic DAP is but continue to support DAP as they believe it will give them leverage against the Malays. But they fail to realise is that they will end up losers for tolerating DAP .
Actually DAP ( i believe) is not comfortable with Dr Chua as he is until today able to rebut what DAP have been claiming so far. Dr Chua skillfully hit the panic button by telling the truth to the Chinese that there is no two way about the dilemma. Either support MCA or being left out of Federal govt .
Before this DAP went around and told Chinese community that even if they do not support MCA, MCA will still be in Federal Govt
As for malays, vast majority do not trust DAP. I mean no disrespect to Chinese . but this is the term used by many Malays when they are referring to DAP “Kafir Harbi”. It means they see DAP as “yahudi”.
Due to DAP relentless asault on Malays, Malays are becoming less enthusiastic on non Malay representing them in Malay majority areas. Which explains why Dr zambri wants to put a Malay in Pasir panjang.
What kind of assault? By going to mosque( instead of churches) to demonstrate, by insisting on name “Allah” used by Christians and therefore affecting the very foundation of Islam, by accusing those who question on Bayan Mutiara mosque as UMNO lackey, by calling a Menteri besar who happen to be an UMNO member as “bastard”, by insisting that only teachers proficient in Mandarin( meaning no Malay teachers) be allowed to teach in Chinese schools, or simply by referring Najib as Hitler , DAP is actually on war mode on the Malays.
As for Malays, having Guan Eng as Minister, let alone the Deputy Premier Post is tantamount to having a “yahudi” overlording them. May Allah SWT in His Infinite MERcy do not punish Malaysia by putting Guan eng in power( HOWEVER REMOTE THE CHANCES AND NOT THAT I SEE IT WILL HAPPEN) .
Habislah negara ini jika orang gila dapat kuasa.
By saying that I am not suggesting that UMNO or MCA is perfect. Rather they are not bad as DAP like to paint them.
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(1) Guan Eng is boasting everywhere that he tripled the funding for Islamic affairs in Penang compared to Koh Tsu Koon. And DAP is the most pro-Palestinian (kononnya, ikut lagak mereka) party in M’sia. Aren’t their ploys winning over Malay hearts?
(2) S’pore has had Indian deputy prime minister, Indian finance minister, Indian law/home minister before. I’m saddened by the lack of trust between the races implied by the distrust of a Chinese in DPM role, not that I think the fact of a Chinese DPM will be in any way beneficial. LGE getting such a post would actually be a national disaster. — Helen
Helen,I wouldn’t put too much importance to the situation in Singapore. Having an Indian as DPM or Finance Minister is akin to have Prof Rama as the DPM2. It is just for show.
FYI, none of the Indian ministers in Singapore can speak in any Indian language so they are unable to connect with the Indian masses there. These leaders were elected just because they were close to the PAP leaderships not because of meritocracy or popular support. I remember the Tharman the Finance Minister saying he does not consider himself as an Indian (he’s married to a Jap).
But it would be an insult to compare PAP and DAP as PAP is indeed efficient and capable and not into self-promotion and PR blitzes.
Calvin, how sure are you the Indian masses in Singapore don’t know English or BM?
Singapore took a different route than Malaysia, today, they are better off in some ways, but worse off when it comes to freedom of speech & media freedom.
Hey Shamsul,
You can rest your closeted racist feelings. Guan Eng won’t be DPM. I’d rather he focus on Penang than become DPM or a Cabinet minister.
I hate to say this to you guys, but the next GE is gonna be a class war. We have many have-nots from all races, food getting more expensive, wages not going up, our oil wealth is declining… Petronas is reducing payments to gov despite high oil price, but the government continues to miss manage money on ill-thought projects.
But the pro-BN people here still want to turn it into race war to distract from the main issues affecting us.
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Penang property prices doubling, Penang poor being evicted, no planning for low-cost housing on the island, no planning for public transport … while the pro-LGE people still chant “Putrajaya, here we come, ABU, ABU, ABU”. — Helen
Guess what apart from whatever economy, education, infra etc it is infact a class war. Sidelining at work place have gotten bad. I never seen Chinese and huge numbers of them being so rude and inconsiderate until post 2008. Superiority among the Chinese gotten worse etc. a country do not need one supremacy replace by another especially when this race thinks they are human and the rest as they term it ‘hantu’.
So it is a war of race this GE among other things.
I tend to agree with Helen’s view is that DAP will do better than PKR and PAS in 13GE. I think PAS and PKR are in for a Tsunami of their own in 13GE with some of the leaders getting beaten (remember I predicted this first) : Anwar, Nurul, Wan Azizah, Khalid Ibrahim, Khalid PAS, Azmin, etc.In fact I doubt any of PKR top leaders will win. PAS leaders contesting outside Kelantan and Terengganu too likely to get beaten soundly.
DAP, will do the best but whether they will do better is doubtful (and this is where I disagree with Helen). I do see DAP winning new seats in Sarawak and perhaps in Johor but they will lose other seats where they won in 12GE (mainly in mixed seats and in seats where they won in small margins).
In the end, I predict DAP will retain more or less the same number of seats. I also predict DAP will get some shocks in Penang. If not losing seats,they will get reduced majority in some seats. And in 14GE they will be gone.
helen,
No offense intended. I am not against Chinese because they are Chinese. What I cant tolerate is the attitude of Chinese politicians who encourage the Chinese to be “separated” from the rest of malaysians.
It is an easy equation anuar. Why you melayu jaga your own affairs if the Chinese can deliver the $$$ for you. If the $$$ fits then even the Melayu can be Chinese in their dealings. Is this so hard to figure out or you need to maintain your Melayu kiasu attitude for how it fits you. Correct me if I am wrong when humanity and the realism is the last thing in your mind when it fits your own agenda.
malaysian in New york
They say a man who loses his character loses everything . weird. Is it not? I just happen to remember the saying after reading your comment.
Who is “kiasu” here? Who cry out loud about being treated as 2nd class while at the same time enjoying “separate” school system funded by the very Govt they demonise?
Who go on and on questioning the rights of the malays but insist that they will not “integrate’ with the rest of malaysians. who lament about not enough non Malays in civil service at the same time putting “mandarin is preffered” in advertisements? who keep separate pay scale based on races, so rampantly taking place in provate sector.
Because of “humanity” Malay in general tolerates so much nonsenses from DAP. We kept quiet when in its typical antics calling Najib as “hitler|”. Because Malays are forgiving, they do not insist Ngor to step down after calling Dr Zambri as bastard.
DAP to me is just the manifestation of “yahudi” in this part of the region. Everything to them centers around Chinese( or rather Lim Dynasty).
A good malay from their view is the one who “kowtow” to them or willing to sell everything for the benefit of DAP.
I agree with Shamshul… Why indeed… Helen, do you think we would have such tense relations if it was not the Chinese here in Malaysia but some other race e.g. Latin American? Maybe it’s not the ‘multi-racial-ness’ which is the issue per se but the extreme differences in worldview between Malays and Chinese?
Anyhow, maybe you can do a similar calendar analysis for ‘Israel-related articles in the Malaysian Insider’. They are definitely trying to push for ‘normalisation’ of Zionism… I smell a rat…
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True about “the extreme differences in worldview”. That’s why DAP’s attacks to flatten race identity by giving hell on Muhyiddin’s Malayness, rather than a means to bridge the divide, is merely deceitful b’cos they’ve never bothered to ask the
SRJK(C)sChinese to improve their BM. — HelenAm all for bridging… I certainly would welcome a Chinese DPM if he or she could be a good ‘bridge’… Something the Lims of course are not…
Are there any Chinese who can be a bridge? Even MCA President Chua Soi Lek and MCA Youth Chief Wee Ka Siong hog on the Dong Zong line.
I’m really concerned about the diminishing prospect of long-term peace and harmony in this country.
Iqraq,
Racial tension is worsening, no thanks to DAP’s relentless portraying UMNO as racist. DAP has successfully planting into Chinese mind in general that they are actually 2nd class citizens and their rights are constantly threatened by UMNO.
Nevermind the glaring fact that if not for Ananda Krishnan and Tan sri Bukhari , entire 40 richest billionaire in Malaysia is Chinese.
They question UMNO’s dominance in Malysian politics but conveniently forget that UMNO earns the dominance by winning the most number of seats in Parliament.
DAP is teaching the Chinese that they can rule the country by constantly waging war and slandering against UMNO.
They slander Gerakan for being “submissive” to UMNO, forgetting the fact that since Gerakan was then unable to get the lion share of Chinese votes, it naturally turns to Malay who form 40% of the population. nothing racial here. rather the reality of demography in Penang requires it to have the support of the Malays.
DAP makes a big issue about a temple being demolished and conveniently “forgot” that the demolition took place as the land was sold by rightful owner.
DAP with impunity said Najib as Hitler. The trend continues as Ngor called DR Zambri as bastard. DAP simply chose to close the issue by issuing a 2 line statements with no apology extended to Dr Zambri.
DAP chided Muhyiddi for being honest by saying that he is malay first. Nobody who is sane will believe DAP if Kit siang says he is malaysian first.
Sometimes I wonder why on earth Najib tolerates all these slandering. If Sultan Mahmud of the then Mallaca Empire rules malaysia today, iI believe Kit siang and Guan eng will be punished through ‘sula” method.
As I said earlier, sooner or later malay and chinese will be on the dreaded collision course. No thanks for DAP .
I agree. In their pursuit of power, DAP is tearing the nation apart by pitting the Chinese vs Malays. They also creating hatred among the Chinese to the country by accusing UMNO as treating them as 2nd or even 3rd class citizen. A number of Chinese, taken by these relentless brainwashing, no longer have any loyalty or attachment to the country. The only time they even sing Negaraku or wave Jalur Gemilang is when they take the streets to support BERSIH or Anti-Lynas groups.
It is shocking that Opposition leaders and their propaganda mouthpieces are even accusing the PM of murder. Such gutter politics would not even tolerated in the US.
DAP has created a dangerous myth that the Chinese do not have to keep their part of their bargain stuck in pre-Merdeka times in Article 153.That is they can reap all the benefits without sacrifices. That there is no need for give and take policy and they can have the “take it all” policy. DAP has created the impression that the Chinese can be the political and economic masters of Malaysia via this marriage of convenience called Pakatan.
In the BN model, MCA gets what they want but need to sacrifice certain rights (article 153).This is reality of being in a coalition.
But what DAP is saying is that we can get all MCA gets and more but without having to give away anything at all. Of course it is stupid to expect that even if PR wins,PKR and PAS will let DAP to walk all over. For example, PAS will insist on hudud.law and extreme form of Islamisation.
Shamsul is right,DAP is steering the Chinese into a collision course with the Malays. The Chinese needs to understand that their choices will affect their future in Malaysia and must be mindful of their minority status and their declining birthrate vis a vis the bumis.
Any attempts to exploit the disunity among the Malays by playing Kingmaker will be remembered and punished, sooner or later. They are naive to expect that there will be no backlash and reaction from the Malays.
Frankly, I am deeply concerned with the direction we are heading.
Instead of pursuing a class war like communists, DAP is waging a race war. Unlike as Anwar said, 13GE is not a contest between classes but races.
The Star says,
“MCA, DAP men bump into each other, start quarrelling
SHAH ALAM: An MCA coordinator and a DAP assemblyman bumped into each other and engaged in a war of words at the Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) office here over the Sungai Way football field issue.”
Frankly, I don’t mind them quarrelling. I’d like them to quarrel. I want to see MCA pick up and argue each and every point DAP puts out. Each and every time. Disabuse their propaganda. Pooh pooh the claims they make. Like the so-called getting rid of RM600 million debt in 3 years. Merely by treating the debt to the Federal Government on the water facilities handed over to the State Government as hire purchase and entered in the accounts as such. Make loud noises over such things. Get PR consultants to help ensure their statements published here, there and everywhere.
Are there not as many MCA blogs, news portals etc as DAP has? If not, why not? What’s become of the big split between the Ong Ka Ting and the Chua Soi Lek factions? Not healed yet? Or lingering into eternity? To the detriment and suffocation of everybody? How serious is the infiltration of DAPsters into MSM media? In the Chinese language newspapers? (Sorry so many questions but anybody willing to provide the answers is welcome).
If MCA does not work as hard and as determined as the DAP blokes to win seats, and when Najib said Chinese support for BN is at its lowest now (Ref KPanjang’s link in the other post comment), Najib might as well disregard them. Focus on the Malays who have been adversely influenced by PAS. Especially in Kedah and Kelantan. I don’t think voters give much of a damn to PKR there. Concentrate on getting the two states back into the fold. After all the Malays constitute 60% of the population and presumably of the voters, too. Getting a vast majority of Malay votes to the extent of making them 45-50% of the total PRU13 votes would already mean victory, won’t it? The traditional BN-supporting Chinese, the Indians, Indian Muslims and the Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak would add on.
Anyone has the latest analysis and forecast based on racial composition of voters in each constituency? I note that in 2004 PAS suffered. They won more seats in 2008. But since then they have mucked up their politics. Hudud, no Hudud, Hudud again. Erdogan, Ulama, Third Force. No action on Christianization attempts, sekongkol with Kafir DAP, with pro-Israel Anwar. And those kinds of arguments. Give them more BRIM and such. On account of being low-income states, low employment etc.
The end justifies the means? But that has always been DAP’s means. Two cam always play the same game, can they not? We are talking about dirty DAP here. Not just dirty Harry.
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“How serious is the infiltration of DAPsters into MSM media?” In ‘The Star’ it looks rather bad. Their people appear like the S’gor Times lot. — Helen
That’s right. Some of them think they are actually working for the Rocket.
Shamshul, I agree with every word you said. We are heading towards dangerous times and not only are DAP pitting race together but religion as well. I envision a ‘bridge’ to bring our communities together, to make the Chinese realise that they have to make an effort to live and integrate with other Malaysians and not isolate themselves in silos where only Mandarin is spoken, even demanding Chinese doctors when they are forced to leave the comfort of their Chinese enclaves. There is so little trust to begin with and the likes of DAP and Dong Jiao Zong are making things worse. We have to accept that the Chinese are here to stay, they are not going anywhere. I just pray they make more effort to ‘belong’ so we can build our country together. Sorry if I sound racist, not trying to ‘exert supremacy or ketuanan’ here, just telling it like it is….
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The DJZ are deeply respected by the Chinese community. That’s why it was like manna from heaven to feed DAP’s political opportunism when the chance came during the rally to show to Chinese that the two are now standing together on the same platform. — Helen
And they are being Malaysian first ….
Aidil yunus, terasa ayat kamu, hingga ke tulang beb.
“constantly waging war and slandering against UMNO.” It’s sedition in many instances.
Thank God Najib left the Sedition Act intact while doing away with the ISA. But he has not had the Sedition Act applied rigorously. Rampant slandering, wild accusations and unfounded opinions became from bad to worse since Tun Dol’s time.
No doubt he might not have restrained the Police and the AG from resorting to the Act frequently. But those in the top positions of such bodies are always guided by the politics of the the political masters. The kow-towing to the demands of the Opposition in repealing such laws as the ISA and agreeing to the 8 points of the Dong Zong are cases in point.
But there must be a lot of grumbling by concerned citizens to the lack of action on such irresponsible acts of the Opposition, especially the DAP, as expressed by many in here and elsewhere. And the unexpressed but bottled up feelings of the silent majority. I do wish the Sedition Act is applied frequently. Reign in the extremists making all sorts of wild and unsubstantiated accusations that are deemed seditious.
Calvin,
I told my friends we can only now the true color of a politician when they are in power.
a classic case is Guan eng. as a Chief minister, he picked up a quarrel with a certain Nik, a Federal officer on a very petty issue, a chair for Him ( Guan eng) in a function.
He insulted Najib by comparing Najib with Hitler. If I were Najib, i would have asked Guan eng whether he wants his family be treated the way Hitler treated the family of his peceived opponents.
Guan Eng portrayed himself as defenceless when romours went around on his son molesting a girl. He condemned Muhyiddin on this matter when it is clear to everyone that he is the one playing with the issue and using his son to whack Muhyiddin.
DAP for decades portrays Chinese as being threatened by UMNO. DAP played the issue on Hishamuddin holding a keris when nowhere in hishamuddin’s speech that he said or hinted on threatening the Chinese.
DAP played with Teoh’s death by encouraging the family to wage war against Najib. As if one sovereign govt must surrender due to his death. I suspect DAP had a hand in this . they must be happy that Teoh was dead.
Because of this relentless assault on UMNO( and Malays), many Chinese become upset and truly believe they are treated unfairly. They do not want to know that their citizenships were granted only in 1957 by the Malay ruler. and they do not want to recognise that something in returned are given to the malays . Humble the Malays might have been but they are not fools. They would not give something drastic and monumental that changes the character of the land for free.
There are many more examples of DAP’s dirty tactics. Most Chinese are happy to follow with this as they feel that DAP is a leverage against UMNO. What they forgot that DAP’s method will surely bring collision with Malays.
If I may join the discussion.
It’s not as if the Chinese, after 55 years, suddenly woke up one morning in April 2012 and decided to hate on Umno with a vengeance.
The resentments have been long boiling under the lid. GE12 blew the lid off.
DAP has been capitalizing on the anger, no doubt, but while you can say that the party has fanned sentiments, these sentiments did not originate with or from the DAP only in the last couple of years since they gained some power.
Chinese anti-govt bent can be traced back to the country’s policies & their implementation the last 40 years.
The Sin Chew executive editor hinted: “I would like to remind [Sharir Samad] that it is not true to say that there is not much change in the voting tendency of the Chinese. It is better for the BN to be cautious …” (story here)
The editor has read the mercury on the Chinese mood today. This mood cannot be explained away by laying the bulk of the blame at DAP’s door despite the DAPster nature of the politicking.
If you are referring to the NEP, I’ll say the Chinese are unreasonable to resent it. There’s nothing wrong with the policy, though its implementation may be faulted in the manner of distribution and the spread of the beneficiaries.
A lot has been written about the justification for the NEP. I’m quite prepared to repeat them as and when necessary.
I think a lot hinges upon being reasonable. A spirit of give and take. And two-way street. And a spirit of togetherness, share and share alike as fellow Malaysians.
Of course, the DAP are a different breed altogether. Many may not have a proper breeding as Malaysians. The “mood” needs to change for peace and harmony in the country.
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Some months ago we had an exchange where I said that looking at Kg Buah Pala, I expect that if the Chinese had ruled then, they’d have treated the 1969 Malays no differently than how they treated the KBP Indians. So I’m not quibbling about NEP. It’s the ‘special position’ even you are so adamant about. Like the rest of the 80-90 percent Chinese, I also believe M’sia practises 2-tier citizenship.– Helen
Dear Helen,
You know that the quid pro quo for the Special Position of the Malays is citizenship for the non-Malays. It’s not even a real quid pro quo in light of what the British Colonial Secretary said in the British Parliament when debating the Malaya Independence Bill that “The Special Position has always been there since day one”.
And questioning the Special Position of the Malays (and the Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak at the formation of Malaysia) would naturally invite counter-questioning the citizenship right of the non-Malays. That’ll not be good for anybody.
Many Malays also resented the British not sending back the workers brought in by the British colonialists, like the Americans did to the Chinese Trans-America Railway workers and California gold diggers. But accepted that fact as it has been agreed to by the founding fathers, debated and agreed in Parliament at Merdeka and at the formation of Malaysia anyway. The Malays therefore expect that all Chinese accept the Special Position provision in the Constitution.
And I don’t think that high a number of Chinese resent the Special Position. Otherwise so many will be discussing it among themselves, the Police Special Branch would have been alerted and a few would have been charged under the Sedition Act.
As both the Special Position and the citizenship issue are sensitive and protected by the Sedition Act, we’ll avoid discussing them, shall we? I know you have been discreet about it and have only mentioned it in response to my earlier comment.
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“don’t think that high a number of Chinese resent the Special Position”. Then what do you think they’re resentful about that DAP is getting such strong support? — Helen
Helen, I sense we are coming up to another round of ‘What more do the Chinese want? Apa lagiiii? Tak cukup ke???’
I shouldn’t joke, perkara serius nie. But all the same I’m with Shamshul on this. Have traveled extensively and seen Cina yang duduk negeri lain ok je to ‘do as the Romans do’ (when in Rome). Language, schooling, malah time Chinese New Year pun takde public holiday. Macam takde issue pun. Why in Malaysia kena jadi issue and kita kena tuduh trying to exert ‘ketuanan’ and such? Not being difficult, just want to discuss in the open…
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Yes, when in Oz former M’sian Chinese can put on Aussie slang telor lagi pekat kalahkan om putih within 6 months of settling there. // Perhaps the substantial size of the Chinese minority here? — Helen
Helen, when you coming out with 1st class,2nd class of malaysia and singapore.
I am very interested in your views or your take on it.
personally I think the chinese view change after the communist lay down their arms.
Many didn’t realise the commies started to assimilate into the chinese society, the problem is no body realise the communist are really chauvinist , disguiseing as political movement from day one.
The malay were to polite to speak their mind out then. But now?.
We shall see, “mari, kita tengok sapa yang kena”.
Well the bulk of the chinese are so confident they will win this election, of coure led by the pipe pipper of DAP.
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My take: Anon is correct to point out that the Chinese and Indians (except those in Straits Settlements) were transient migrants pre-Independence. Also correct that it was the Malay rulers who agreed to confer citizenship on minorities not originally living in the SS. Okay, I shall post on why I am Chinese (bugger the Firsters). — Helen
Perception, Helen, perception. And propaganda.
Nobody can tell accurately now the size of DAP support. Bersih 2 Rally claimed they attracted 50,000 when the Police with static and helicopter cameras said only 5,000. Dong Zong/DAP Kajang Rally has been reported to be a few thousand attendees yet some said it to be as many as 10,000.
The usual Stalin or somebody’s words that if you say it often enough, a few people may believe it. The Malays of the past said if you say it among yourselves 40 times, your wish boleh jadi. But the Malays don’t believe it anymore and now say out what they feel loudly to others as well. Within the bounds of the law. Unlike DAP.
But the history of Larut says the Kapitan Cina got 44 (double death?) gangsters to sign the Petition to the British in Penang asking them to come to Larut to help them regain tin mines lost to rival gangs during the Larut Wars started by them. The British used it as an excuse to intervene in the affairs of Perak leading to the unequal Treaty of Pangkor and British colonization in 1874. That tak boleh jadi lagi. Because the Malays will fight tooth and nail against such subversion and ingratitude as shown to their host, Menteri Larut Ngah Ibrahim, at the time. And indeed the Malays reacted to endless ingratitude and extremism shown in 1969.
Helen,
Your comment box has reduced in size? It lengthens as I type but slips back to small size when I accidently click blank space occasionally. It’s not helping when typing long comments. Hope you’ll restore it to the previous condition.
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I haven’t tweaked anything on my dashboard. Urm, can other WordPress rakan-rakan bloggers help shed some light? — Helen
Helen,
The biggest mistake our forefathers did was to allow separate school system. I believe the intention is good. at times of independence, all 3 races who previously under British officialdom suddenly have to deal with each other.
Not everything was settled then. With communist raging in many part of Malaya then, i believe Tunku may think that separate school system may be in due time cease to exist.
But what separate school system does is literally separating us. The inherent nature of separate school system divides us.
DAP gladly “filled” the separation as nowadays the Chinese “do not know’ the malays anymore. Likewise is the same.
Many of my Chinese were red faced and dumbfounded when I told them citizenships to non Malays are given and exchanged with special provisions on Malays. They do not know that.
Suddenly when they know, the anger abated. They began to understand why the Constitution is the way it is. They began to accept that that they are not treated like 2 nd class when I ask them to name 40richest Malaysians. Apparently the Chinese fare quite well in Malaysia, better than many countries.
Honestly and with sincerity, many Malays believe Chinese ( many of them) are ungrateful lot. No offense. But this the prevailing mood among Malay community.
My point is that unless Chinese address the issue of DAP “waging war against the Malays”, the collision is bound to happen.
By all mean, voice legitimate concern. But stop pampering DAP that incites racial sentiments for decades. When they keep on electing DAP politicians whom all of them are racist( I am certain about this), they are actually telling the Malays that they agree with DAP.
this is not a threat. But DAP is tearing the country apart.
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Okay. I’ll address the issues you raise in next postings. — Helen
I can’t tell you how disturbing it was to see Dong Zong and DAP together. I have never been a BN supporter and I am highly critical of all their corruption etc. But I now know that I will never vote for a coalition with DAP as one of its members…even knowing that PAS is there. If *I* feel that way, you can bet your bottom dollar that a huge swing has occured in the hearts of the Malays since 325.
Shamshul, I think Tunku did not have the gumption to insist on one school system. Of all our PMs, only Mahathir could possibly have seen it through. I won’t lie, I wish he had done so.
The British colonialists had allowed the Chung Hwa Chinese school since the 1920s. Of course, the bloody Brits had thought that the Chinese were transient in this country, did not bother about the unification of the various races under a 1 school system. They kept telling the Malays – sincerely or otherwise is up to interpretation – that the Chinese would go elsewhere after independence and persuaded the Malay leadership then that even if they agreed to the citizenship of the non-Malays, only a few would take advantage of it on a long-term basis.
And the Brits didn’t bother or refused to follow the Americans sending shiploads of the Chinese railway construction workers and California gold rush paid employees back to China in the latter half of the 19th Century – the Americans even enacted the Chinese Exclusion Act, not allowing the Chinese to settle in America because of bad behaviour – the preamble to that Act stated so.
As Helen’s figures had shown, there was a marked decrease in the Chinese population figures after Merdeka. But many found Tengku A Rahman’s amiable ways very encouraging and stayed on. The old man made it so easy for non-Malays to get citizenship papers after Merdeka – dispensed with BM proficiency test. Making then MCA President Tun Tan Siew Sin say in Parliament that “the Malays have been generous enough” – in fact, generous twice, once when agreeing to citizenship for non-Malays at Merdeka, another when relaxing citizenship rules after Merdeka. He was echoed by MIC President Tun Sambantahn (or was it Manickavasagam?) saying to that effect in Parliament, too.
But all those went gilabutz by bloody DAP racism and extremism leading to the race riots of 1969. And now naik kepala lagi. They must be stopped from rampant adventurism. The Sedition Act must be used against them from time to time.
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Anon,
Something 4u2 ponder: You call ’em “the bloody Brits” (ha x3).
Why do you think that the non SRJK(C) Chinese begitu menyanjung tinggi BI sehingga tahap mereka yang beriya-iya mahukan PPSMI boleh mendakwa bahawa bahasa ibunda mereka ialah BI? Technically it may be true that the home language of affluent households in Damansara Utama or Subang Jaya is indeed English.
Think about which group of Chinese is most contemptuous of the national language & siapa yang berkiblatkan Barat. There is a marked difference between the La Salle mentality of LGE & that of the Chinese-educated Koh Tsu Koon. We can see their behaviour for ourselves.
Helen
Tengku A Rahman was a big culprit. Sorry, I have no love lost with him, despite him being called Bapak Merdeka and all. He wanted to be PM of Malaya as fast as possible and had acquiesced to the British and the others during the negotiations for independence. Of course he was revered and loved by the Chinese. He was the kind who believed that every one is good until proven bad. And when he found out that there are blokes who are bad, it was too late.
Maha Chauvinist, Litte Emperor of the south, Lee Kuan Yew, for example. The bloke agreed to the formation of Malaysia upon seeing he could be the PM of a large nation compared to the Little Red Dot (Indonesian short-term President Habibie’s words).
The moment Singapore was in Malaysia, he godak and geledeh. Coined the slogan so-called Malaysian Malaysia to gain support of the Chinese. It has been explained repeatedly that that slogan is racist because it’s antagonistic to Malay rights and interests, subversive to the Special Position of the Malays and the Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak – wanting equality without acknowledging that Special Position, not wanting the playing field be levelled etc.
When Tengku A Rahman realized that Lee Kuan Yew was not only politically mischievous but also racist and subversive, his temper was not controllable. He flew to London to cool off, or to think, whatever. Then he came back announcing “the kicking” of Singapore – a Separation Agreement was drafted and signed. Bloody hell, look at how thorny – at times demeaning – relations with Singapore have been since – both at the official and the individual levels.
Nations have gone to war protecting their national sovereignty and territorial integrity. Here was an old man who just gave away Singapore FOC to Lee Kuan Yew. He should have done what a later Prime Minister did – when Kelantan politicians tried to be funny, sent troops there, declared Emergency in that state and ruled it via a Director of Operations.
With that kind of a leader, one cannot expect the matter of Chinese schools (then not so many) tackled according to Article 152 of the Constitution – have them adopt BM as the medium of instruction, because that Article says mother tongue – Mandarin is not even mother tongue here but nobody minds it called so – may be used only OTHER THAN FOR OFFICIALPURPOSES, and schools are the official purpose of any country.
I fear that if Tengku A Rahmanism is practised again, on whatever pretext, more and more Malays would become unhappy. The Malays shouting, grinning and grimacing at Bersih and other rallies are the vocal ones. But there is a vast silent majority of Malays out there who would want the status quo, say, of Tun A Razak’s or Tun Dr Mahathir’s days. Some have been vocal in Perkasa but the silent ones are still a vast majority out there.
Will respond to you briefly only, Helen, within the time I have now:
Those speaking English are generally the inter-racially mingling and broad-minded ones. They are of secondary concern to me. But the self-alienating, non-compromising, led by the PhD-tipu Dong Zong Yap ones are of primary concern.
The English speaking ones are less likely to abhor BM and not respect the Constitution of the country than the wholly Chinese-speaking ones. LGE does not abhor BM – he can speak BM and does so periodically, but he simply wants to get votes from the Dong Zong members and supporters, and will go to any length to get them.
I believe the English speaking ones in TTDI and DU are largely BN-favouring, generally understand the Constitution and wouldn’t want race riots to retard their business growth or promotion prospects in the businesses they work for.
Anon,
LGE’s BM leaves much to be desired! Watch this You Tube (transcript).
The good BM-speaking pollies are Chinese educated — Wee Ka Siong (who tweets in BM, kudos), Ong Tee Keat, Ong Ka Ting, Koh Tsu Koon plus Tan Seng Giaw (who’s additionally Kelantanese).
Damansara Utama has 83% Chinese voters. DAP’s Cheah Wing Yin got 24,881 votes there while his opponent Victor Gu Chian Peow got 9,526. DU voted thumpingly for DAP.
Whereas TDDI lies in the Segambut seat. Segambut went to DAP with a convincing majority of 7,732. Nope, those two areas do NOT favour BN.
“The English speaking ones are less likely to abhor BM”, really? Try to name one non-Malay personality/writer – a Firster, Bangsar M’sia proponen & English-speaking (say of Hannah’s ilk) – who express himself publicly in BM.
You made your point there, Helen. I’ll have to think of other possible reasons but if none exists for the DAP wins in DU and Segambut, then what shamshul says may be valid. We are on a collision course and “unless Chinese address the issue of DAP “waging war against the Malays”, the collision is bound to happen.”:
the chinese school boy ask “y i am discriminated?” the reply “u speak chinese, u dun sound malaysian, that’s why”,
the kebangsaan chinese school boy ask “then y i am discriminaed, i dun speak chinese, i know nothing much about chinese and china, i am a malaysian first, why huh?” the answer is “hmm, y u call urself a malaysian when u know nothing about out consti, u shd know that our a153 bla bla bla bla…..”
is that not one of reason y the 50% chinese that enroll kebangsaan school in the 70′ n 80′ now send their kids into chinese school? but i know the common ranting…djz n dap is the culprit. this reveal the ‘understanding’ of socio-political pertaining to the chinese sentiment from the helen new base fans, and the comical part is helen continue to humor us with her reply ‘i agree with you…….”
Hua Yong should read fully what samshul anuar says. He has explained in so many comments so many things that need to be explained and understood. The Chinese should “address the issue of DAP “waging war against the Malays” to avoid a collision. It’s not just Helen saying “i agree with you…….” on the pertinent points, but I also agree with her and with samshul.
Anon, I could have miss out something as I don’t do all comments, only a selected few like OB, MiNY and certainly yours and Helen. I notice you have been trying very hard to justify that one school is the solution even to the extent of stereotyping the VS and NS Chinese, which i think doesn’t reflect the reality. Perhaps a more subtle approach is needed to truly understand each other better.
HuaYong… what does it tell you when majority of Helen’s commenter are same bunch of right-wing perkasa types, plus one or two token yes men? They automaticly equate any criticism of Umno for its corruption & mismanagement as an attack/waging war on Malays, even if the critics is Pas, Pkr or non-affliated Malay. The only way they can try to stay in power is to always harp on race race race and religion religion religion.
To them, the bukan- and lain-lain should shut up and not complain.
No, the bukan and lain lain can dissent, can disagree but for goodness sake, don’t make wild, unfounded and unsubstantiated allegations.
Now you have come out with 3-4 comments, after a high and mighty so-called “business trip”, appear to be walloping everybody here but not an iota of justified statement. All generalized allegations, nothing specific and substantiated. You guys are all the same, aren’t you? Barging in here in banging like gangsters, addressing samshul in a rude manner, behaving without any sense of decency and decorum.
Are you not mad when saying “To them, the bukan- and lain-lain should shut up and not complain” when you see so many comments by you blokes allowed in here and elsewhere? Of course, when you blokes make unjustified statements people will counter you. Sometimes in ways that befit the tone of your comment.
dave, this is unavoidable if helen believes her antithesis (versus alternative media) way is the better approach, the result is either one voice or tit for tat and push away the middle ground commenters.
No Hua Yong, subtlety has its place and time. Tit for tat (or for tit) sometimes is necessary because it’s certainly futile to give lengthy and polite explanations to gogs and goons who infiltrate a healthy discussion or who disregard completely what has been said umpteen times.
I’ve said in my comment immediately preceding this that from now on I might at times want to make comments the communist-style – just make short comments, wild, unsubstantiated allegations, repeating them as and when such DAP-like comments appear.
Btw, thanks for reading me – as I do you. I’ll try to be civil as and when suitable (not that I’ve ever used the 4 letter word except kiss! And won’t dare use that on Anwar – even hesitate to use the title that PAS Mat Sabu conferred on him – Al whatever!).
Have a good day.
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Agree with you Anon.
I’d take Tun Daim as an astute reader of the Chinese psyche & even he brought up the subject of how DAP in Pg are “streetfighters”. He was being kind. Their behaviour is nothing short of thuggish & they operate like triads.
DAPsters with their verbal thuggery need to be taught a lesson that force will be met with force, b’cos they understand no other language.
Helen
Helen,they have graduated from internet thuggery to verbal thuggery to physical thuggery now. Next will be political thuggery which could be even worse. Could it be that all these crime and betting traids operating in Penang and Selangor and been busted lately are being inspired by the rise of the DAPism ?
I have some comments on Helen’s view that Chinese feels that Malaysia practice 2-tier citizenship. I think there is some justification to this point of view, at least from the perspective of non bumis. I also agree with her that the feeling took hold among the Chinese not solely due to DAP.
This is my take on the issue and Helen, being Chinese you might have another perspective.
I have noted that this feeling of being 2nd class citizen has always been there. However I sense that this feeling has become far more prevalent since the last few years, contributed by several external and internal factors.
As I had said, there are some justifications to this feeling. However some of the seeds of unhappiness were planted during the communist insurgency when PKM used the same tactics as DAP to split the community away from the rest of the country.
More recently the spread of internet (social media and the anti-government web portals) had helped to spread this virus into an epidemic. The rise of China and the pride of being Chinese also contributed.
Internally when the Chinese started to send their kids to SRJKC instead of SRK this caused the community to be more insular and mix more among themselves than with other races. This also helped to spread the view that the Chinese are being victimized and unfairly treated as the Chinese school teachers and associations tend to be anti establishment and insular in their thinking. It is noteworthy that PKM had used these groups in the past to spread their propaganda in the past.
Another factor is that the new generation of Chinese has not been exposed to the reasons and spirit behind Article 153 and the NEP, for example. As such, they tend to think these measures as evil tools of the bumis to discriminate against the Chinese. This message has been relentlessly drummed into their heads by their parents, Mkini, DAP and their teachers at SRJKC.
While DAP is not the root cause, but they have been drumming the message of Chinese being victims and that the bumis are oppressive, lazy and corrupt for decades that this has become conventional wisdom.
OK, having said that, it is also fair to say that there are some very good reasons for the Chinese and non bumis to feel discriminated against.
Let’s start with BN. As I had said before I was anti-BN since my student days. In its prime UMNO was too powerful (thanks to party gerrymandering).I think it was at its worse during the reign of Tun MM. For all his strengths and contributions to the country, one of his weaknesses was his lack of empathy, especially to the non bumis. The perception among the non UMNO parties in BN was that there were there merely to make up the numbers and not being real partners in a coalition. But to be fair to Tun, though he showed a lack of understanding on the non bumi’s feelings, he wasn’t arrogant or dismissive.
The worse among the UMNO leaders was none other than Anwar, the current Chinese savior. He was so arrogant and dismissive and an ultra Malay who pursued hostile and antagonistic policies against the non bumis. There are numerous examples on his actions that were detrimental to the minorities. Unfortunately DAP seemed to suffer amnesia when it comes to this dark episode in the Malaysian history.
The rise of HINDRAF too can be traced back to a lack of govt support to MIC in tackling the displaced Indians from the plantations who lost their jobs in the estates when these were developed for palm oil or housing projects (by mainly GLCs). Many of the Indians had no education or skills and had to move to urban areas. They suffered poverty and lack of job opportunities due to their lack of education and skills. While Indians in general are wealthier than Malays, this 30% of the Indian population are much poorer and had no support whatsoever. The youths of this group often turned to crime and also become highly anti-establishment. MIC knew this but lacked support and resources to help them.
Another key reason why HINDRAF received so much support is due to the wanton act of destroying temples by the local authorities. These actions were deemed highly provocative by the community, no doubt DAP and other politicians fanned the flame to a raging wildfire.
However while there are justification to these grievances, I still think that on the whole the things that minorities in Malaysia take for granted like newspapers, vernacular schools, public holidays, TV/radio stations, freedom to practice their culture/language, temples, etc are cannot be found any country in the world. There is no country in the world can enjoy full rights as in their home country unless and until they fully assimilate in their adopted home.
Personally as an Indian, I feel Najib, perhaps the only PM after Tunku, understands the real feelings of the non bumis. His initiatives to help the Indians looked indeed genuine to me rather than an effort for vote buying. This is the tipping point that made me to support and switch to BN after all these years.
I think you’ve given a fair & reasonable analysis overall but one point of contention though, the SRJK(C)s.
Wrt promoting insularity, the same can be said for Tadika Islam, Sek. Berasrama Penuh, Sek. Agama, Maktab Rendah Sains Mara, Kolej Matrikulasi, UiTM, JPA scholars who create mini M’sias in middle Amerika colleges.
To home in on the political behaviour of DAPsterism which is troubling us (e.g. the opportunism of anti-Lynas protests planned at mosques), we’re looking at the period of particularly the last 3 years whereas the intense DAPster politicking is carried out by adults.
SRJK(C)s have kids aged 7-12 under their care, and saddle them with tons of homework. At this age, kids are not political. Hence the DAPsterism we see now is unrelated to primary schools & we don’t know what’s really going on in the classrooms with the kiddos for you to say. Nothing subversive I should think.
Home environment & anti-establishment parents have a bigger influence than primary school teachers whom I doubt will consciously indoctrinate. At college & university level, perhaps they do. Or BTN.
Concur with your point about the role of social media. However I see more belligerence & meanness coming from the English-speaking, churchgoing DU/SJ crowd (e.g. ABU gets its loudest cheerleaders from Bangsar M’sia) due to their more systematic networking.
Perhaps you can compare for us the how well organized church activism is vis-a-vis Hindu. Bishop Paul Tan, the archbishops, The Herald, CFM, NECF — they have more money, wider connections & better structural (organizational) support & that’s why they can take their grouses to the international English media.
On the outward expression of non-assimilation (vernacular schools, vernacular papers, etc), the numbers of Chinese & Indians in say Canada, Oz, USA are small as a ratio to the majority.
In M’sia, minorities are more sizeable. In this regard, perhaps this country is closer to the former Yugoslavia, i.e. numbers of Serbians, Croats, Bosnians who kept their own languages.
“Wrt promoting insularity, the same can be said for Tadika Islam, Sek. Berasrama Penuh, Sek. Agama, Maktab Rendah Sains Mara, Kolej Matrikulasi, UiTM, JPA scholars who create mini M’sias in middle Amerika colleges.”
I believe these are different problems. MRSMs, SBPs, UiTM etc are a reaction to the same issues that NEP was created for, the merits of which are questionable but still, it is a different discussion. Anyway, they still teach in BM so they are not deviating from the largest common denominator in our country which is BM.
Mini Malaysias in middle America: I agree with you on this, however, it is again, a different issue, ie worried about going out to pubs with the mat salleh, makan susah tak halal, cakap English slang bau budu etc. Again, it is a different discussion. From my own experience, I made the best of friends with non-Malays whilst I was studying abroad. That’s when we really came together as ‘Malaysians’ and we are very good friends until now. I don’t need to tell you which group of Chinese were the most difficult to get on with in university.
“SRJK(C)s have kids aged 7-12 under their care, and saddle them with tons of homework. At this age, kids are not political. Hence the DAPsterism we see now is unrelated to primary schools & we don’t know what’s really going on in the classrooms with the kiddos for you to say. Nothing subversive I should think. In M’sia, minorities are more sizeable. In this regard, perhaps this country is closer to the former Yugoslavia, i.e. numbers of Serbians, Croats, Bosnians who kept their own languages.”
I beg to differ on this. Maybe they are not political now and I am sure(hope) they don’t openly promote DAP in schools, but the products of SRJKCs are already out there for all to see. Shamshul touched on a lot of it. Having taught in local university, I can see that they are the most difficult to get on with, I’ve said before, even the non-SRJKC Chinese cannot get on with them. If the non-SRJKC Chinese makes friends with Malays, lagi teruk, diorang kena pulau completely. Tell me this is not subversive. These attitudes remain till adulthood and working life. Bila nak keluar lunch sama2, oh tak boleh sebab nak pergi kedai yang serve pork so you tak boleh ikut, sorry aa… Bila nak join discussion, automatically tukar bahasa to chinese dialect… Bila tengok patient kat clinic, patient mintak Chinese-speaking doctor sebab cannot speak BM despite being born and bred here in Malaysia.. Macam mana tak bengang? Macam mana tak bisik dalam keadaan panas hati ‘Kalau tak nak cakap Bahasa, sila naik bot dan pulang ke Canada/Australia’, cakaplah bahasa Cina puas2 kat sana (less offensive somehow than saying balik ke you-know-where).
Okay rant over… Sorry about that, out of character for me…
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SRJK(C)s are, in turn, a reaction to MRSM dan yang sewaktu dengannya. Granted, it’s a vicious circle but with the lack of trust & goodwill neither side will budge. Best to go on as we are wrt to education streams. As for speaking BM, Bangladeshis & Burmese can pick up in a jiffy. They didn’t attend our keb. schools. — Helen
I am now in the Mid east and again I see the Malays acting insular. Futsal and usrah among themselves only. Same like in the mid west USA. And, there is no excuse due to food here, as nearly everything is halal, and they have opportunity to interact with muslims from india/pakistan/UAE/Egypt etc…
To be fair, I see ALL THE RACES in the mid east acting insular. Brits with brits, americans with americans (whites esp), indians with indians , filipinos with filipinos.
THIS IS HUMAN NATURE. In the Mid East, they seem to accept it as-is. No need to try to ‘unite people’ because nearly all are expatriates.
The Malaysian Firsters want to go against HUMAN NATURE, and that is the most hypocritical and sanctimonious attitude they have. They think they are ABOVE human instinct. THis is a typical EVANGELISTIC CHRISTIAN attitude to feel they are ‘saved’ from human nature born with ‘original sin’.
Had the opposition used scientific (sociological or psychological or other reason-based disciplines) to argue for uniting the Malaysian races, I would have been convinced. I was hoping for that. But they didn’t. They didn’t use the high-road, they decided to crawl through the mud.
I agree with you on the insularity goes both ways, that Tadika Islam, MRSM, UiTM,etc too contribute to the problem.
Another issue is the public sector where the staff are overwhelmingly Malays, far beyond the national demographics %. This also creates issues where the minority non Malays working there feel left out.
The private sector is no better either. By having minority Malays, they too create the same situation. The Chinese being the economic majority are able to get over-represented and often practise highly discriminatory policies against the Malays and Indians.
I have been victim of such blantant unmeritocratic practises myself in my career. This not just happens in Chinese owned business but in most MNCs too. In Penang, it is almost impossible for a non Chinese even to get an interview much less find an employment (unless it is in a low wage job).
I also agree with you that the Church is highly organised. In fact the Church always been the most organised group in the history of the humankind. They always had the doctrinal unity,purpose, resources and funds and most of all political support.
These days they are backed by powerful interests. That some of the western intelligence agencies are funding them is no secret. I am surprised why no one has ever questioned where does the Herald, CFM and the rest are getting their funds from. There is no way that they are self funded. Do they receive funds from DAP? Possible…
However, I got to differ on your last point. Yugoslavia is very different from Malaysia. Yugoslavia is not a country but a federation of several states. The Croats, Serbs, Bosnians,etc are no immigrants but natives living in different regions. The closest country we can compare with in terms of ethnic mix would be Sri Lanka.
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Calvin, We ARE a federation. ‘Persekutuan’. That’s why our birth cert is called the ‘Federal’ constitution … because the 14 states federated. — Helen
It’s incorrect to say that “SRJK(C)s are, in turn, a reaction to MRSM dan yang sewaktu dengannya.” MRSMs were created much later than SRJKCs and do not run counter to the Constitution at all. They were residential schools designed to help bridge the huge gap in the educational opportunities afforded to the Chinese and the Malays by the British.
The British colonialists provided only Malay schools, only at the primary level, only 4 years of education to the Malays in the kampongs where most Malays lived. Such schools were far in between the kampongs. Malay children had to walk for up to 5 miles through bushes and secondary jungles to reach school, tired and hungry to pay full attention, returning home another long journey in the hot sun, exhausted and famished.
But they provided both primary and secondary education to the Chinese who were mainly in the towns. Driven to school or riding on easily bicycled roads, just 1-2 miles away. And the Brits built schools in English in the towns, too – the language of success during British colonial time. Such that in 1970, at the start of the NEP, there were hardly 5% Malays in the professional field as doctors, engineers etc.
Thanks to MRSMs and the like, we now see Malays voicing out in cyberspace and elsewhere against racist attempts aimed at them. They are 60% of the population, cannot and must not be bullied by DAP cyberspace thugs and gangsters. Time will come when hordes of Malay cybertroopers will swarm each and every such attempt appearing in the Internet. On their own volition, without being paid or promised a DAP seat like the Malay apologist si mongkol Arif Sabri.
It cannot be a vicious circle either. The language of Article 152 on Bahasa Kebangsaan, depite being slightly round-aboutish (mother tongue may be used ONLY OTHER THAN FOR OFFICIAL PURPOSES), is quite clear: schools are the official purpose of this country and must use BM as the medium of instruction. The time will come when a strong leadership will have the courage and steadfastness to streamline the ridiculous three-system education existing in the country now. Let’s hope that it’ll not take a disaster or a tumultuous event occurring before that happens.
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Anon,
Sorry that I did not phrase myself with more precision. I’d meant the POPULARITY of SRJK(C)s AMONG CHINESE PARENTS was, in turn, a reaction to education opportunities denied minorities i.e. in the 70s, Chinese kids were still being enrolled in SKs but today only the very, very rare ones.
I’m aware that Chinese schools have been around ever since the Chinese landed here in large numbers but their inclusion into the national system as constituted SRJK(C) formally receiving govt aid followed the 1956 Razak Report. (A bit of info for any readers who may not be aware: Mara was established 1966).
Cheers, Helen
Helen,
This is to reply your last point on “Federation”. I agree that Malaysia is a Federation as was the former Yugoslavia. But the complexity and problem in Yugoslavia was due to the Federal nature of the state where the six separate and independent states in South Slavia with their own separate ethnic,religious identiies were merged into one state called Yugoslavia.
In Malaysia, the issue we face is NOT due to Federalism of separate states. But it was due to complexities created by migrants with separate and distinct identies.
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Calvin,
Okay, you make a valid point. But in Sri Lanka, it’s Sinhalese Buddhist vs Tamil Hindus. Am not sure if the people there would object to being described as originating from the same racial stock (just like some Malayalees in M’sia swear they’re not Indian). The number of our M’sian separate ethnic, religious identities is closer to ex-Yugoslavia, ‘number’ as in population numbers as well as more than 3 (Malay, Chinese, Indian) compared to Sri Lanka’s 2 warring factions.
Helen
Helen,
Could we have the official statistics pointing to the “in the 70s, Chinese kids were still being enrolled in SKs but today only the very, very rare ones.” pls.
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K, will look into this in the afternoon. Brunch first & a strong cup of coffee! Too many DAPsters have landed. — Helen
Click here for table 1971-78 and here for 1980-2004.
In 1971, there were 413,270 pupils in Chinese schools.
In 1981, there were 581,600.
Major, major jump in the span of 10 years.
In 1977, there were 493,809 pupils.
In 1997, there were 601,891.
Note the rapid increase between 1971 (one year into NEP) and 1977, but the stabilization between 1981 and 1997.
In 2004, the enrolment was 646,965. The reason for the impeded growth in numbers over the last 10 years is the limitation of physical infrastructure.
In 1970 there were 1,346 SRJK(C)s
in 1980 – 1,312
in 1990 – 1,290
in 2000 – 1,284
in 2004 – 1,287
As a comparison the enrolment was 413,270 in 1971 and 646,965 in 2004.
The pupils had increased in number by 233,695 but there were 59 schools less to cater for the extra quarter of a million kids. SRJK(C)s mostly overcrowded unless they’re in the remote rural areas.
The number of Chinese schools have been reduced b’cos of the govt’s containment policy — refusing to allow new ones to be built.
Report on how Chinese kids are now choosing Chinese secondary school, here.
OK lah Helen, we agree to disagee agreeably…(LOL don’t I sound like a DAPster talking about the “difference opinions” in Pakatan)….
BTW, FYI I am a Malayalee myself and I have to concede these folks are very insular and do have attitudal issues….sometimes even I have hard time putting up with these folks..Obviously my comments about Malayalees usually not appreciated within the community…hahaha…
One more point though, actually the Singhalese and Tamils are from the same racial stock just like the Pakistanis and Indians are.
I think it’s also instructive to remember yugoslavia since the time of Joseph Tito used communist state instruments to suppress certain ethnic minorities and disallow all minorities from venting their frustrations. It was pressure cooker.
Fortunately we have Facebook and Helen’s blog.
I anticipate over the years, MiNY and others like him would just get tired and realize it’s futile to fight against the majority view.
“Majority view” is not in their vocabulary. Their view is only what matters to them. The word “Democratic” in Democratic Action Party is just a gimmick. Neither Little Little Emperor Lim Kit Siang (he’s got to be double Little as the title of single Little Emperor has been reserved for Lee Kuan Yew), nor Little x 3 Emperor Lim Guan Eng bother much about democratic rights of their members and supporters – no need any substantiation, eh?
And these blokes won’t get tired. They are as stubborn as a mule, as dogged as a wild boar (any one seen a dog physically fight a wild boar?), as hard headed as a communist. When hounded by the Police and banished from the Chinatowns of New York, London, Paris or Hamburg, they’ll find their way to the North or the South Pole to continue their warped and demented arguments of rights and wrongs, irrespective of the laws that exist, national or international.
Nevertheless, argue we shall – with those who observe certain rules of decency and decorum. Otherwise, just pooh pooh them, the more pooh the better, to dampen their incoherent. illogical and even mad shouts and murmurs.
Aqraq,
And i believe the very reason why DAP and DJZ do insist on Mandarin proficient teachers only in chinese school is because they do not want non Chinese teachers( meaning malays) to be in Chinese school. To them it is dangerous that Malay teachers are in Chinese school if these young Chinese pupils see that the Malays are not as bad as they( DAP and DJZ) portray.
I notice only Chinese who are not mingling with non Chinese are taken for a ride by DAP.
As for Helen, I hope you are not offended. Malays are not against Chinese per se. Rather we are upset that Chinese continue to vote for DAP that for as long as I know is waging war against Malays
Yes/. waging war againsts the Malays. I am not saying BN is perfect. I am all for criticism. But I do know when criticism is to put UMNO or Malays in bad light simply because they are Malays.
Helen, nice exchange in this topic between the BN camp and PR camp . What do they think about [YouTube] or [YouTube].
Sure talk all we want but what propels you and your esteemed commentors is humanity when you are and if you belief in humanity. Humanity is not materially driven but only to do what is the truth and face the reality whether it is BN/PR.
Either BN/PR camp is not going to feed us but the humanity that we can find within ourselves for the rest. I know this is too much for your commentors as we can’t help to deal with the semua tahu community that draws their distinction based on their camps as oppose to what humanity should be irrespective of origin.
Malaysian Mah!!! semua boleh, courtesy of the presumed Malaysian in NewYork who washes dishes in China town hoping not to be deported to face the direct discrimination and institutionalized racsim in Malaysia based on origin.
The Nina Simone song is awesome and the theme is actually very Islamic. What she sings about is what we mean when we say ‘Alhamdulillah’…. Cheers mate! Thanks for sharing.
You are welcome Iqraq.
Like DAP, MiNY likes to use the term ‘institutionalised racism’ so that NEP/Article 153 stings most as a pejorative.
I know several white british who would use the term ‘positive discrimination’ to describe ‘affirmative action’ in Britain. In my view, they use the term in a dysphemistic (opposite of euphemistic) manner.
Some, if not most, Chinese (DAP and some who have sympathies for them) use the term ‘institutionalised racism’ to make ‘affirmative action’ more ‘dysphemistic’.
To illustrate:-
institutionalised racism<positive discrimination<affirmative action'
Nigger<Negro < Black < African
Keling < Hitam Metalik < Mamak
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Some northern ‘Africans’ (e.g. Col. Gaddafi) are fairer than you or I. — Helen
Trivia: Gathafi, Gadhafi, Qaddafi, Kadafi, Gadafy & 106 other variant spellings, here.
OB, you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure out my sarcasm. Isn’t this is the problem as truth and reality for the maases is far away for the semua tahu commentors like you and me who did nothing other than vent our frustration as and when it fits us.
Transliteration of the name القَذَّافِي may differ as Arabs (or westerners for that matter) don’t subscribe to one version and some use other transcription techniques (ie romanization).
This differs from many eastern languages where they standardized the transciption (pinyin for chinese and I don’t know what the koreans do, but theirs is a phonetic system and is easy to learn).
North africans and arabs of whiter skin color are called ‘sand-niggers’, to use the correct slur/epithet.
I could try to explain the link between ultraviolet light and its harmful effect on folic acid absorption (UV is not just a cancer inducer for lighter skinned people) and how evolution favors dark skin people in high UV areas. But you are probably not interested. Oh, and there is a scientific biological reason why eskimos are dark skin.
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Pls go ahead & tell us the scientific biological reason why eskimos are dark skinned & also place where ‘dark’ lies on the skin spectrum. — Helen
Don’t know if you are being sarcastic or sincere. Are all your italicized writing sarcasm?
Simple answer: Diet. Check out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skin_color
Of course there is evolution. But if you are a DAP christian or FUN-dy PAS, you might not subscribe to scientific explanations based on evolution.
I remember how many moons ago you teased about MJ’s skin change, but i pointed out it was due to vitiligo. Anyhow you can lay it on the baseball Sammy Sosa. I was a fan of his but looking at him now:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photo-sammy-sosa-skin-still-very-white-190931256.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/12/sammy-sosa-black-skin-rep_n_573057.html
HIs change is remarkable and probably drug induced.
I know many chinese/koreans/japanese who fix their eyes, nose, and eschew the sunlight to appear more white. So, what’s wrong if sammy wants to appear ‘white’ too?
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OB,
When I share the same comment space as the reader (like now) in my reply, I draw a line across. Other times, I hit the ‘Reply’ button. Depends.
When I address the commenter, I use 2 methods. For a longer response, I write your name with comma (Dear ABC, Hi XYZ) & sign off with ‘Helen’ at the end, letter format.
If my response is short – just a 1 or 2 liner, then I type below the margin & end with a long dash followed by ‘Helen’.
I italicize when my response is short & leave the text as normal when my reply is lengthier b’cos with letter format (longer reply), the name-comma makes a clear demarcation. You can refer to any of my replies to see this consistency.
As for MJ, it’s a legitimate issue how a man born black cosmetically turns himself into looking like a white woman. Not just his skin tone, but the Afro hair, thick lips, wide nostrils (all the racial features) obliterated plus the squeaky speaking voice.
Helen
Good to know you have a ‘style specification’. I was being sarcastic in my response, by the way. Or maybe you can add something to your style repertoire to indicate sarcasm such as /sarcasm?
I am not defending MJ. I know he was rather unstable character. But if we want to speculate on his psychology and motive for his changes, it would have been due to his vitiligo medical condition. Probably he had body dysmorphic disorder.
I googled it, and my suspicion was correct.
Those chinese who add the double eyelid surgery (Epicanthoplasty) probably have a similar disorder.
You probably embrace your appearance. good on you /notsarcasm.
But you don’t need to explain you were on the varsity swim team which could explain why they call you thunder thighs /sarcasm.
Dear MiNY @ Shan,
Let me see what you try to say. You are saying it is better off living like a criminal on the run, living in some shabby room, doing dirty work, get minimum wage, without citizenship rights, forgoing Astro Vaanavil (Tamil channels),newspapers, the right to study in Tamil school, pray in dozens of Hindu templesjust about at every street corner, speak in Tamil daily, enjoy public holiday for Deepavali and Thaipusam, etc etc in New York than staying in Malaysia and suffer “institutionalized racism” ??
I think if this is your choice, indeed then you deserve to stay in NY for the rest of your life.
Being a citizen and a minority in any country is a give and take. No country in world has provided more rights to its minority than Malaysia. You may argue about NEP and Article 153, but what about the rights Indians and Chinese get in return ? I don’t see the Indians and Chinese minorities in the US having the same rights.
Not sure your experience with HINDRAF but these are opportunistic and public hungry thugs who have done nothing for the community. Uthaya was never the founder of HINDRAF either and he hijacked HINDRAF for selfish gain. He has been a racist all his life and he is no different from Dear Leader Lim in having a forked tongue of speaking of equal rights on one side and claiming ethnic cleansing on another. I have seen Uthaya in action and I know he’s a thug in Gandhian clothing.
CS, when i talking I am not talking about myself. I am not the issue here and will never be the issue.Don’t put your words into my mouth with your presumption. Whichever camp you are in, you should look at it in a subjective manner for an objective purpose which I believe is humanity amongst us for each other irrespective of the origin. Netiher you nor I am an authority for how the rest of the world treats its citizen when malaysia is the only country in the world to practice affirmative action for the majority which unfortunately the masses don’t even enjoy because it hijacked by the elites. We can go on for days debating on this, but what is the use without achieving the objective for the mass.You can think you know better or me vice versa and it does not bother me. As I said, the issue is about me or you but can Malaysians whether it is BN/PR camps come together to show there is light at the end of the tunnel if it concerns humanity. Don’t you think we have enough politicking already. Don’t worry about HINDRAF and your own personal character assasination. I am sure i am old and matured enough as you are to make my own judgement on its goals and motives.
Can MiNY please clarify what is this ‘huge manatee’ that he always mentions? /sarcasm / malapropism
Malaysian in New York
“…Institutionalized tacism…..”
That is what you will say for not understanding constitution.Constitution is not racist. rather it takes middle path. It recognised that at eve of independence, the country is inhabited with people of multi religions and races. It was not exclusively Malay anymore.
Yet, constitution also recognises that initially the country belonged to Malays. That fact is recognised through all treaties made by Malay rulers with foreigners. Only the malay Rulers can make treaties. Other parties have no sovereign authority to do so.
That fact was manifasted clearly during the signing of Instrument of Independence. The Independence was signed By malay Rulers.
For malaysia to flourish, all partiea must honor their deal. For DAP to instigate Chinese to start questioning malay privilleges( after getting citizenships in level of generosity unmatched by any other countries) is dangerous and uncalled for. Unpleasant remark of “pendatang” is the testimony of malays being uoset with some Chinese politicians behaving like pendatang and total refusal to accept reality
Helen said: “SRJK(C)s are, in turn, a reaction to MRSM dan yang sewaktu dengannya. Granted, it’s a vicious circle but with the lack of trust & goodwill neither side will budge.”
Shamshul said: “For DAP to instigate Chinese to start questioning malay privilleges( after getting citizenships in level of generosity unmatched by any other countries) is dangerous and uncalled for”
It is for this reason that I think the Chinese should ‘budge’ and show some willingness to belong. Then we can build on ‘humanity’ which MiNY talks about. I don’t belong to any camp BN/PR, I’m all for ‘humanity’ as it were. But let’s call it what it is. No-one is trying to exert ‘ketuanan’ or ‘supremacy’ here (who are we kidding about supremacy anyway with Chinese economic control and 40+ billionaires). This is Malaysia. Let’s build Malaysia and belong to Malaysia together. Those who do not want to understand the nature of our country and participate in building it together can always give back their IC if they want to (as many have done). But please don’t artificially carve out a mini-Ch**a here in Malaysia and refuse to belong.
Sorry, a bit emotional these last 2 days. I apologize if I was rude to anyone.
For factual clarity, since so many readers keep repeating that the 40 billionaires are Chinese, here’s the Forbes 40 richest list, this year.
It has 27 very, very rich Chinese.
The very, very rich ‘nons’ are:
(1) Ananda Krishnan — 2nd richest
(2) Syed Mokhtar AlBukhary — 7th
(3) Azman Hashim — 12th
(4) Shahril & Shahriman Shamsuddin — 13th
(5) Mokhzani Mahathir — 14th
(6) Tony Fernandes — 15th
(7) Kamarudin Meranun — 19th
(8) Ninian Mogan Lourdenadin — 22nd
(9) G. Gnanalingam — 24th
(10) A.K. Nathan — 27th
(11) Ahmayuddin bin Ahmad — 33rd
(12) Eleena Azlan Shah — 35th
(13) Abdul Hamed Sepawi — 38th
Those who should be on the list but their names are inexplicably missing — Taib Mahmud, the Sarawak chief minister. Hmmmm (??)
Daim Zainuddin (?)
Nazir Razak was on the previous year’s list but has dropped out in 2012.
Very ‘DAP-like’ (or should i say “Chinese”, to be more stereotypical) of you to use sleight-of-hand manipulation of statistics. Lim Guan Eng would be proud.
13 of 40 are non-chinese and their cumulative wealth (according to Forbes, though their numbers can be doubted) is only USD 18.56 billion.
The rest (27 / 40) or nearly 68 % are chinese and their cumulative wealth comes to USD 45.87 billion or nearly 2.5 times the wealth of the richest non-bumis in the top 40.
As for the Taib’s wealth, that can be attributed to his position as a leader of near king-like levels. You might as well include Sultan of Johor if you include Taib. At least Taib was selected in a democratic process. And, do you subscribe to the report that a multi billion dollar yacht was made for Taib?? It’s ridiculous.
Daim, on the other hand, where is his wealth? Are you following the DAP mentality that there is ‘corruption everywhere’ in the BN camp and they (Daim especially) have plundered the country dry??? Evidence needed la. Rumors don’t count. Sometimes you are certainly no different from DAP and act like a stereotypical chinese.
Remember, submission of incomplete evidence is also fallacious and this exactly what DAP loves to do.
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OB,
“[Me?] use sleight-of-hand manipulation of statistics?” How, in this case? Care to explain?
[Me?] having anything to do with “submission of incomplete evidence”? In the first place if Malays don’t keep repeating as if they’re under the impression that the Forbes 40 list is an all-Chinese affair, I wouldn’t have need to set the record straight in the first place.
It (Chinese billionaires) seems a fixation with non-Chinese M’sians. At least now if anyone wants to talk about the “40 billionaires”, then pls say 27 Chinese and remember the rest of the 13.
Not picking a bone with Iqraq whom I like but for the sake of commenters here refraining from spreading & entrenching this false factoid on 40 ri’C’hest when the empirical data is available for us to cross-check.
As for you, I’m too lazy to search & ungkitkan all the previous outrageous & outlandish accusations you’ve hurled at me but now you’re saying pula that I “act like a stereotypical chinese”? The chips you’re carrying on your shoulder are very visible, y’know — like flaming kryptonite.
Helen
Malays use the factoid of the richest chinese to illustrate the much larger wealth of that community versus non-chinese within Malaysia.
That factoid is fallacious because the proportion of wealth among the richest chinese compared to the richest malays may not reflect the statistics of the larger population.
But it is illustrative and is a mildly valid argumentation technique.
I want to know the specific stats on wealth distribution.
I keep on hearing that Malays haven’t achieved 30% equity yadda yadda. But, I have not seen full figures. And, I am not sure how they define that. Is it just liquid assets, company shareholdings or should we count property and other non-liquid assets?
I am sure the economic strategists in the government know the true stats, but they seem to be hush-hush about it. Do they use the people’s ignorance of the true facts as a political tool?
Then again, if the opposition is as effective as they think they are, then they should expose the ‘true numbers’. Or are they too aware and think that it’s not in their interest to reveal all the stats?
On the other hand, I am sure if you ask PAS members they achieved more than 30% a long time ago, as they have a monopoly on good deeds.
Joking aside, I think it would be better and fairer to see a set of figures comparing non-political or non-business malaysians and seeing the wealth distribution there.
Then compare the wealth distribution who are ‘business-men’ and those who are ‘politicians’ and those who are unemployed.
Of course, I still think that the chinese would win if you break up the population in more ‘apple-to-apple’ comparisons.
Among the chinese, like the whites in the US, they feel they ‘achieved’ that wealth due to their ‘hard work’. It’s this Ayn Randian objectivist ideology that is very corrosive. They lack the understanding that their privilege is inherent and needs to be corrected.
Helen thanks for clarifying, I did mean 40+ as a figure of speech but of course facts trump semantics. But you *do* know what I was trying to say rite?
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Yes, I do. I myself made the same sort of slip with Anon, see #65 @ ‘Politik perang salib DAP‘. — Helen
Shamsul, it is your type that frightens me in a reasonable opinion based blog amiongst Malaysians .You have probably 0.001% knowledge how the constitution came about unless if you tell me that you have spend zillions hours in Kew garden to research through the archives and have written a book on it. We all know the hearsay.Then you say after (after getting citizenships in level of generosity unmatched by any other countries). Hello friend, which world are you in. We are in 2012 not 1957.Are you telling me that the revenue that was generated by rubber & tin which accounts for 98% for Malaysia from 1957 to 1966 was attribute to the Malay?. Then after 1970 bit by bit further acceralated by Dr M to totally neglect the other races that formed part of Malaysia. What generosity are you talking about? That was history if we want to acknowledge it or pretend that it never happpened.Trust me, in 2012 I am sure many 3rd, 4th & 5th generation non Melayu have no problem with Melayu rights but fail to understand that our own Melayus’ have no qualm if Indons & Banglas who just came in 1980’s have such entrenched rights that overrides a few generation born non Melayu Malaysians. Do you think this is fair? Does your religion makes you superior or humanity? My god child is a Melayu tulen, he is not worried if I am a non malay or what his religion is but sees me in equal as human.Please don’t get me wrong, but i think we rational and sensible Malaysians in 2012 should look beyond race, religion, creed and a manipulated constitution that does not fit into the current scenario if we are serious in uplifting the nation and its subjects as truly malaysians.You know the drill, so do I, but where do we meet to reach a consensus without the typical brouhahaa. Humanity amongst us is my call, my fellow Malaysian.
Folkes,
What does it tell you when a fellow writes lengthily on several matters without any paragraph? Cluttered mind, to say the least.
I think we need to sort out facts from the fictions that Mkini, Sarawak Reports and the rest of the Pakatan’s Pravda churns out.
If Taib is so rich, the international media would surely have found that out and reported it. There is no doubt Taib is rich but I don’t think he’s rich enough to be on the Top 40.
The same goes to Daim. He’s not as rich as Pakatan and their Pravda claim him to be. I think he used to be one of the richest in the 80s and 90s but not these days. What many people (including Helen I think) don’t know is that he was a very sucessful businessman even before he joined politics. In fact I think he is the smartest and best Finance Minister Malaysia ever had. Of course, it does without saying Anwar was the worst.
Iqraq,
I agree with you. Again I must repeat that I am not against chinese. rather, I work in Chinese environment.
I do not go out talking about “ketuanan” or supremacy. what I stress that It is dangerous for Chinese to continue supporting DAP that as far as I can remember is waging war againsts the Malays.
that is the fact. Simply because Malays are less argumentative does not mean that the point is not vaiid. Strange is it not? Those who cry out loud about being Malaysians are those who are racist. they insist on separate school , a phenomenon unheard in other countries. They cry for equal treatment but I have heard countless stories of massive discrimination against Malays in private sectors.
the made issue of seemingly innocent gesture of white angpow when almost all Chinese brides wear white during wedding ceremony. They expect Malays to toss Yee sang but make a big issue of songkok. They dressed with impunity in mosques, upsetting Muslims. They cry and accuse Muslims as cruel , destroying temples when the number of temples exceeds mosques in Selangor.
No wonder why Malays ( in private) told me that sizable Chinese behave like Yahudi.
wake up Chinese. Do not make the mistakes Imperial china made, ignoring “barbarians’ for centuries. Remermber we need each other. There must be a spirit give and take.
How? For a start tell DAP ( or rather Lim dynasty) that there is nothing wrong with Malay teachers teaching in Chinese schools.
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Shamshul,
Perkasa’s white angpow during CNY was insensitive. White envelope is custom for funerals, understand the taboo. We don’t cross compare funeral colour with wedding e.g. Malay brides can wear any colour baju for bersanding, both white & red acceptable. But would you use a red kain kapan for burial?
“They expect Malays to toss Yee sang but make a big issue of songkok.” You’re comparing a food custom with a dress custom. An apple to apple comparison would be “Malays expect Chinese to eat using hand at Raya kenduri”, or orange to orange: “Malays make a big issue if asked to wear a Mandarin hat”.
Helen
I still think that the white angpow issue is a red herring.
I don’t know if all chinese know about the white ang pow thing. I asked a thai chinese and she didn’t seem to be aware.
The malaysian mass media should have done what american media like to do which is run polls or surveys after the incident to see who knows about white ang pows (first among non-chinese, then among buddhist chinese and then among ‘malaysian-first’, holier-than-thou chinese).
Also some Malays I know don’t care about the mandarin hat because of the design, but they would care because they think it’s made of silk, which is forbidden for muslim men to wear. Did you as a non-muslim who has lived in Malaysia for decades know that?
Every Malaysian can’t be expected to know every minute detail of each other’s cultures, unless they are taught in school and re-trained constantly. I doubt cultural sensitivity is taught properly in any malaysian environment (work or school).
OB, I think you as a Overseas Bumi is a bigger red herring that the the Non Malays. You like to cucuk and see the fun. You are the worst type because nothing matters aslong it serves your own agenda like many Non Melayu that we observe in this site. I seriously don’t think you have concern how the Melayu lives or what is their predicament but to ensure like your elite brothers & sisters within the Melayu community to make sure you get what you need to obtain and achieve.You know what, I rather deal with PERKASA than with a double headed Melayu snake like you. I am sure you are not a genuine Melayu, because a real Melayu has compassion and thought for the other.Take it from a Non melayu who is born and bred in malaysia and lived in the kampung with the Melayu. Of course now the presumed dishwasher, illegal and deportable Malaysian in New York.
Now this fella claiming to be in New York is calling people names here and there. And talks about truth, humanity, compassion and all.
The truth is he knows not what he talks about.
Note: I’m not layaning him. I’m just hitting at what he says DAP communist style!
I know I am doing something right when some people start calling me out. Of course, depends on how the word ‘right’ is defined.
Sometimes I think MiNY is a sockpuppet. His writing style does vary from time to time. Maybe due to inebriation?
Anyhow, I know the stereotypical chinese desire to be a dishwasher in a western country still beats the malay dishwasher who can’t or won’t migrate for economic advantage. Malays who have skills desired by western countries are (pick which you want):-
-stubborn
-complacent (read by others to be lazy)
-cautious/ unadventurous
-loyal to his country
-lack communication skills
-unable to find a malay enclave in the western community where he wants to work
The chinese in malaysia (and in many countries) can easily tap in to their worldwide network.
Yesssss!!!! This is why we must go to school together!!! This is what I’ve been saying all along….
“O mankind! Lo! We have created you from male and female, and have made you nations and tribes *that ye may know one another*. Lo! the noblest of you, in the sight of Allah, is the best in conduct.” Noble Qur’an (Sura 49:13)
Guys, please stop the name-calling and obscenities. That’s not what Helen’s blog is about. Everyone’s opinion is valid and if we didn’t speak frankly (but politely) or if we hide behind political correctness, we’re not going to get anywhere. This is a dialogue kan?
If the DAP fellas are not communist minded, Pari Komunis Malaya (PKM) sympathisers (Lim Kit Siang had called for communist terrorist Chin Peng be allowed to enter Malaysia), they certainly use many of the PKM and other communist tactics.
These include:
1. Never mind what you say as long as you say something against the enemy. The more you say the greater the chances of a few believing what you say.
2. Harass your enemy, barge in here and there shooting from the hip like wild and drunken cowboys, threaten them (with law suits – and we never know the gangster threats as gangsters were alleged by one PKR ADUN Selangor and one independent MP to be visiting a DAP Exco in the Selangor State government premises), gag them where you can (especially in Penang), spread the fear factor yet accuse your enemy of doing so.
3. No need to provide proof, justification or explanation. Just say them repeatedly like the old gramophone record chanting Maoist doctrine and slogans, played to the masses in China during the so-called “Cultural Revolution” started by Mao Zedong in the 1960s aimed at propping up his sagging popularity due to the failed Great Leap Forward and such communist policies that caused some 30 million deaths due to hunger and fighting among the Chinese.
4. Chin Peng planned to have Malaya brought under the suzerainty of Communist China. Lim Guan Eng wants to have Malaysian Chinese look to mainland China for inspiration (officiated the opening of a building named Sun Yat Sen who had nothing to do with this country), have a “multi-nations within a nation” nonsense as espoused by the PhD Dong Zong leader Yap who has been alleged (and not denied by him personally) to be using two fake PhDs he bought through the Internet, yet talk of Malaysian First, never mind about hoodwinking the Malaysian public, never mind cakap tak serupa bikin as long as you cakap and bikin – whatever.
I might want to follow the DAP communist tactics, at times give them a dose of their own medicine, write short comments making wild and unsubstantiated accusations, hitting hard at them without any justification or explanation. If you see my comments taking that character from now on, folks, you have been warned.
suzerainty — nice word.
“Cultural Revolution” started by Mao Zedong in the 1960s aimed at propping up his sagging popularity due to the failed Great Leap Forward”
If we read CCP history not from the western worldview, Mao doesn’t need a CR to prop up his popularity. CR has two major goals: 1. Cultural transformation and sequel to May Forth movement (similar to 1979 Islamic revolution) 2. To eliminate revisionism and put a stop to revival of capitalism. In fact Mao prestige among the army and people remain no change even after the GLF.
“Chin Peng planned to have Malaya brought under the suzerainty of Communist China.”
Again if we read the same, there is no indication from China government that wish to do so, unless there is such pronouncement be it verbal or writing from Chin Peng, I am not aware if there is any. Can cite?
PS/ Not suppose to talk China in this blog but since the topic were brought up, I tell what I know. If the intention is purely to mock DAP and not a statement of fact, then forget what I wrote.
In the matter of CCP vs Western records of China’s history, I think each to his own.
But even a Malaysian (Singaporean?) historian, Professor Wang Gung Wu, admitted that the Chinese historical records of them as the only civilized “Middle Kingdom” and all others being barbarians were found by them to be untrue when they got into contact with foreigners.
However, I don’t think Malaysians should be concerned about the truthfulness of Chinese historical records versus the western ones on China as much as those on our own country. Many Malaysians don’t even know the background to Merdeka and the formulation of the Constitution of the country. I’m glad that History will be a compulsory subject in schools beginning from 2013. Hopefully the next generation would have less DAP.
Of course DAP objected to that decision as children will then learn about the causes of the race riots of 1969; DAP even tried to get a Ka Soong or somebody to write a hideous account of Tun A Razak causing the riots instead of DAP, communist elements, gangsters and others of their ilk.
In freer time I would google what Professor Emeritus Tan Sri Khoo Kay Kim has written about Chin Peng, Parti Komunis Malaya and their links with Communist International of the time, including contacts in Kuala Pilah etc. But maybe you’d like to do that yourself.
I stand by what I said on Lim Kit Siang wanting communist terrorist Chin Peng be allowed to enter Malaysia (the non-remorseful and non Communism-renouncing bugger is not a Malaysian citizen as has been verified by Prof Khoo), and on Lim Guan Eng wanting Malaysians to be inspired by mainland China, yet claims to be Malaysian First, accusing TS Muhiyiddin not so. I’ve said that lidah bercabang may be fitting for that and I also stand by that.
Anon, to each his own is okay, whatever floats your boat. I didn’t rebut the rest of your comment because I respect your view and think it is justified to a certain extent, however on Chin Peng and China, I sometimes feel that we are less objective and believe in too much propaganda. To most that have a good grip of China contemporary history, the claim that CP fight for China need more scrutinize with fact and record. For instance until 1948, China is under KMT that pro Western power while all indication showed that CCP would be wiped out, then how come a communist CP would fight for China during that period unless he support the capitalist West, or he was actually not a communist? Both Vietnam and North Korea under communist become a nationalistic state, no sign of suzerainty, and even had war with China. Thus I think history is not that black and white and the best way is to let the readers draw their own conclusion after reading from diverse angle, and hopefully our history subject should adopt the same approach in 2013, and Kua book should be on the recommendation list for further reference.
Anon, i think you are a joker. You talk politics as usual because that is all you can do after 55 years in silence. Frankly as any Malaysian, where was all these in the 60’s,70’s 80’s and the 90’s. So now you think your view is of such importance. Do you think any Malaysians cares whether it is DAP or UMNO, not a chance. We all run an agenda that only serves us individually not what is the truth and reality. The truth and reality is skin deep as and when it serves our own purpose and running down DAP or BN is not helping the factor for the so called wise people like you and me if we fail to see beyond the boundary of a political stance rather than what is humane irrespective of the origin. Claim whatever you want to claim, but the truth will eventually emerge whether it happens now or later. GOD!!!, Don’t Malaysians need a lot of growing up to do beyond their own kiasu “semua tahu” attitude.
Olely told you wa bo layan lu any moe lorr. Buang masa saja.
Anon, who the f***k cares what you think. Imagine you take the trouble to response and that speaks aloud.That is called self inflated ego, go grow up then maybe you will matter for what you can do for your community. Can’t help it Mah!!!, as a Malaysian i have a duty to a fellow malaysian. I know, you will ridicule me, who cares, I have the luxury as the dish washer in NewYork, but do you have it as the semua tahu Malaysian? Go get a life rather than engaging yourself with such a runaway Malaysian dishwasher in China town in New York.
hua yong, just to update you the MCP was already establish in the 1930’s. as apart of the wider commmunist global network.
The malayan chinese were guided by their counterpart in china.
The asian communist network was growing in all asian country, supported by the global communist movement led by russia . it was until 1949 communist victory in china that asian communist look upon and material and moral support from china and lesser from russia (except for vietnam during vietnam war with the American) . the late 50’s or early 60’s russia and china had a fallout. Hence in the 60’s MCP” berkiblat” towards China for everything.
As for suzerainty, i think “abang, adek” is the direction most likely they were seeking towards
ktp, thanks for the ‘update’, where mcp were established? with the help n support from who? in the 50 n 60, mca was closed to kmt, n v have the support from british/west to fight the communist, r v abang adik with kmt n british/west? the same concept shall apply right? thus suzerainty is absurd.
btw to update u, our 1st pm is a hard core pro west, while razak seem to be less westernise n know what balance is about, is that not y he established diplomatic relationship with china? that was an era of battle and conflict btw 2 ideology, n the start of shifting of world power from west to east in a global perspective.
hua yong, yes suzerainty is absurd, under ther sphere of influence, and as part of a greater pan – asian communist movement very likey.
But you know as the malay saying goes ” kerana terhutang budi tergadai body” so being minion of china comunnist is also very likey .
As for Tunku ‘he’s more ENGALAND then ENGLAND’ if you get my drift. So he listen to England ‘s ‘advice’ like a good school boy
Now Razak, is his his own boss. a quite and unassuming man. he had good council and sounding board by way of Tun Dato Ismail.
Razak was pragmatic man, his skills is more like playing checkers or what we local call ”DAM”, rather them chess. if you play it with local’ kedai kopi’ rules for money it is more ‘gila’ them chess.
Interestingly to my suprise and my initial underestimation of Najib ‘checkers’ skill , i how see him in a diffrent light , he is more then capable to do the job at hand.whether he can clean up BN’s act, i reserve my judgment,until the fat lady sing.;)
As for the events that transpire leading to the establishement of diplomatic relationship with china an after, i’ll let you figure it out yourself.
There’s more, but i wil leave it for another day.
ktp,interesting read, u shall write more on this so we can learn. on najib, he is hardworking n more responsive, that i agree. but we must acknowledge what make bn/umno work harder n become peoples friendly, the balance of power. people like me criticize pr less not because they did better, if u get my drift :)
OB, are you doing damage control? The Non malays allowed the Malays to reign for what seems to be the agenda for the elites as oppose to the comon folfk, ie the economical factor after 1957. What did they do?After 55 years you and your kin are still complaining who and what DAP and their kuncu is doing now. I am sure you are aware that DAP and their kuncu did jackshit or achieved nothing until HINDRAF arose in GE12. So what is the lesson you and people like me learn other than that humanity between us is not gauged or dictated for our origin for politcal affiance but what is real for the common factor of humanity between each other minus the religion, origin or creed if that is what we want amongst us. Grow up bro, it is not about you, it is about the people and how we can enhance the an aspiration for humanity rather playing the second fiddle for our own convulated purpose.
MiNY,
As you know, Hindraf is anti-Umno. Hence if it’s at all possible to send Hindraf to Parliament (a cause which I support), it has to be on a Pakatan ticket.
I’ve asked several Hindraf guys which among the 3 parties is most sympathetic. Their reply: PAS. Which is the least sympathetic? Their unanimous answer: DAP.
The DAP cunning chameleons are the biggest impediment to your plea for “humanity”. There was total lack of compassion in the treatment of KBP & now other villagers sitting on the precious & scarce commodity of island land.
The DAP cunning chameleons are the propagandists most ruthless & adept at warping the “truth and reality” you talk about.
So it shouldn’t be only overseas bumi and his kin “complaining who and what DAP and their konco-konco are doing now”. Minorities should open our eyes & be critical about the cunning chameleons sebab bila gajah sama gajah berjuang, pelanduk mati di tengah.
The Hindraf constituency is the one mati di tengah from the Pakatan assault on Putrajaya & the BN defence of the citadel. For all that you guys did, Pakatan gave you “jackshit”.
Mano will not be re-fielded by DAP in the Kota Alam Shah seat. DAP Perak told PSM to go fly kite when they asked for the Jelapang DUN seat for Saras, despite she being one of the E06 who played a pivotal role in Bersih 2.0.
I don’t know about you but I for one have run out of patience for putting up with the cunning chameleoning that makes out everyone else to be “racist” & “evil” while the DAP angels are the white knights of Goodness & Morality.
You watch. On April 22, Hindraf will break the ‘tembikai’ on Pakatan at Padang Chetty. It’s about time.
Helen, keep doing what you need to do. Me, you and all around us become insignificant if we lose the cause for how it should be if we are genuine in our cause.There is know how it should be or this is the right way Only your thought process without expectation dictates the cause for the mass.Nobody is right, nor wrong in their approach but a single goal of humanity and reality should dawn upon each other irrespective of our origin to correct the wrong for the mishaps of the community.This does not need political, religion, race or creed but only humanity if we can find this in ourselves for the deprived and marginalized ones.
Helen, do you think at this juncture it is wise for HINDRAF to deal with BN if they are able to satisfy the grievances of the majority & marginalized and depleted malaysian Indians minus the elite ones. I am not interested what the armchair BN/PR troops think, but what do you think if solves the issue like education, statelessness, temple, abode and their rightfulness as a Malaysian citizen. Will your esteemed BN/PR troopers acknowledge them as Malaysian to bring forth their grievances rather than running an agenda who is better for political affiances rather than what is humane when it stares at you on a daily basis in the current scenario.
1. As a comparison & guide: PSM will be using their own party logo for GE13, a decision in effect signalling that they will not be on the Pakatan bandwagon albeit still a part of the opposition. (Note: PSM is an Indian majority party although it is most scrupulous about its socialist ideology & class struggle).
2. The DAPster accusation that Hindraf is in Umno’s pocket is crap. If it were true, the HRP party registration would have been approved by the ROS.
3. Hindraf will not get anything from Pakatan — that’s how I read the tea leaves.
4. Najib is now actually giving in to some of the concessions demanded by the Hindraf 18 points. Of course the govt won’t say that they’re responding to the pressure unleashed by Hindraf but it’s being done. However these are piecemeal offerings only serving to paper over the cracks, and perhaps only as a pre-election bait. The foundational structure that discriminates remains unchanged.
5. Pakatan has little empathy for Tamil-Hindu aspirations. The indifference shown by their state govts the past 4 years amply proves this. Hannah Yeoh has a ‘Chinese’ baby from a Bangsa M’sia husband. Hinduism is disdained — seen in the DAP ampu bodek mosque-raids by their Selendang Squad. SRJK(T) education is treated with contempt.
Therefore when Indians talk about temples & Tamil schools, you’re going to get the “unwashed heathens”, “idol worshippers”, “metallic black” reaction from the DAP evangelists controlling the party today. I think PAS people have got their heart in the right place for the marginalized but I forecast that PAS & PKR will not fare well in GE13. This may cause PAS to move closer to Umno.
6. I’m going with the two-race politics prognosis post-election. So it will boil down to: Do the Indians want to throw their lot with the Malays or the Chinese?
7. At the moment, I’ve been told that the Hindraf Indians are under no illusion that Pakatan is better than BN but still there is no willing tilt as yet to the side of the establishment. For now, Hindraf leaders & supporters – given the choice – prefer Pakatan (although the Uthaya faction less pronouncedly so).
8. If Uthaya goes ahead with plans to contest 3 Parliament, 4 state seats then Pakatan will give Hindraf war & the scorched earth treatment. Already the bridges are half burned as it is. Remember their Little Emperors & Mini Maharajas & Maharanis cannot take even mild criticism & Uthaya has not held back his punches.
9. I don’t think the BN option is open to Hindraf as Hindraf (the different factions are at least in agreement on this) remains anti-Umno & have harsh words for Umno. Perhaps on a personal level Najib may relent but I doubt that he can persuade his party hardliners.
There has been no mending of fences that I can see.
10. I’ve said this to you before: Hindraf ought to take its case directly to the Malay middle ground. If you cannot get political reform as yet, you can first work on the social reform agenda — getting non-Indians, esp. the majority Malays, to think and look at things in a different way.
There appears to be no Chinese middle ground left now to appeal to. And from all past indications, it’s pointless to expect any sympathy — all the doings of the Penang state government & the Pakatan party programmes endorse this lack of expectation. They are too calculative (all the deceitful, duplicitous bending over backwards to fish Malay votes). Mereka pasti akan menerima padahnya, kita tengoklah nanti. Yang dikejar tak dapat, yang dikendong tercicir.
I think I have mentioned that my father has been a firm supporter of DAP. Some women in my family voted DAP because that was their only choice in their area aside from BN. Now, they tell me they won’t choose DAP and would rather not vote. My father is the same.
DAP had much promise if they didn’t have a bad history and if stuck to their guns to uphold ‘fairness’, ‘equality’ . But they are now proven to be plain ol’ politicians.
Talk of a third force probably won’t materialize into an actual party.
I know that removal NEP is the main issue of this ‘humanity’ that you talk about. I would like to see NEP removed. But I could imagine the consequences. Who is to say chinese managers, business owners, community leaders won’t punish the malays as soon as NEP is removed? It would be payback.
Malays need to cement their places in the managerial position in the private sector and more chinese need to occupy mid level civil service positions.
Is that the best you can do? At least get your spelling right. Do you think a dishwasher’s thought like me is dictated on how I write or the message without a baarrier of language. Another typical kiasu Malaysian, who did jack shit and did nothing until he/she thinks that now I know it all in helen’s blog. Please do educate me on the anglocized English lesson so that my humanity is enhanced for how it had served you all this while. Malaysian Mah!!! semua boleh when it fits their own agenda.
Malaysian in New York,
What is it with the abuse on word ‘humanity” that you often used here.
I never claim my race as superior to that of others. I was just stating facts. that the Chinese must show effort to integrate with other Malaysians. Meaning stop behaving like pendatang.
how? By not insisting that they cant speak Malays and want emcee to speak Mandarin to cater for them. By not challenging Bahasa melayu through erasing Jawi from signboard and also insisting Mandarin on signboards.. By not refusing to wear songkok on opening of state assembly.
By agreeing to one school system. By stop saying they are discriminated when they control the economy. By not questioning provisions specific for Malays as enshrined in Constitution.What kind of provisions? Such as Constitution mentions priority for scholarship quota for Malays and bumiputera or the fact 80% of civil servants must be malays.
and Chinese must tell point blank to DAP that they wont support DAP if it insists “Allah” to be used by Christians. This issue is about the very foundation of Islam. allowing Christians to use “Allah” ( from Muslim view) challenged the very basic notion of BASIC TENET of Islam ; that Allah is ONE and nothing in this world could be compared to HIM.
NEver mind if DAP does not believe that. But do respect the belief.
If someone in Chinese community dares enough to question Muslim/Malay rights, then be prepared for Malays questioning Chinese right for citizenship. It may sound ridiculous. But it is very unpleasant.
The bottom line is that Malaysians must stop tolerating rubbish from politicians. As I said earlier, I am all for criticizing. What I cant tolerate is politicians( DAP especially) is fond of slandering UMNO and Malays instead of criticizing.
Just as Malays must be brave enough to question PAS that loves to play God ( as if it has monopoly over Islam) the Chinese must be brave enough to question DAP that thrives ONLY by slandering UMNO and waging war against the Malays.
The Chinese do not have to suffer in silence just to perpetuate Lim Dynasty. It was shown for the world to see who is “tin Kosong’ during the debate.
And the talk on One malaysia spirit and equal treatments for all Malaysians( especially by DAP) mean nothing to Malays UNTIL one school system is a reality in Malaysia.
Helen, this is not a blaming session. Rather, I believe that unity starts through a seemingly innocent gesture. study together, Mingle together . Anyway, that is the practice of every other countries in this planet. EXCEPT MALAYSIA.
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Err, where does it say in our Constitution that “80% of civil servants must be Malays”? — Helen
Hai Helen,
Perkara 153 dalam Perlembagaan memberikan hak kepada Yang Dipertuan Agung untuk menentukan kadar nisbah kaum dalam kakitangan karajaan, antara bumi dan bumi Sabah dan Serawak kepada bukan bumi. Buat masa ini jumlah yang digunapakai atas persetujuan YDPA adalah 1 :4. Bermakna setiap 1 bukan bumi : 4 bumi. Bukankah itu 80 %?
Semoga kita dapat hidup aman di bumi bertuah ini
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TQ atas keterangan ini. Boleh tolong beritahu di mana dapat saya semak kesahihan maklumat ataupun ia satu ‘unwritten rule’ yang dipraktikkan oleh orang dalam, misalnya tempat di MRSM ada ditawarkan kepada segelintir budak-budak India & Cina dari SK. Akan tetapi SRJK (C) dan SRJK (T) tidak layak (itu yang saya dengar). — Helen
Helen,
Check website Constitution. it is there for all to see. But not many realise about that. Not even our Cabinet ministers.
The point here Malaysia is for all. It embraces reality of comtemporary . at the same time it recognises the history of the land.
The provisions for Malays is not because the British loves the Malays. Rather, a recognition of the fact that at times when they came here( meaning Malay states), the land had been inhabited by Malays.
As such, in return to citizenship to Chinese, something must be given back to Malays. and what Malays got is assurance that the history of the land will not be changed.
and that is what DAP intend to change. Ask any Malay and they will tell you that the first thing to go should ( God forbid) DAP takes over is Malay royalty. Changes also mean asking for a 2nd National language or question why priority is given to Islam, ignoring the fact that it is accorded as Official religion, befitting state fund.
I am not surprised, judging at DAP’s attitude and behaviour all these years.
It is not :”unwritten law”. It is stated clearly in Constitution. also mentioned is priority on scholarships to Malays and bumiputera.
And contrary to general impression, vernacular schools are not guaranteed in Constitution. What is guaranteed is the right to learn, speak or use mother tounges. That is sensible. We must respect the right to use mother tounges.
As long we are separated by separate school system, then we will forever be “separated”.
Perhaps Malays will not be defensive or rather apprehensive if Chinese show effort to integrate with Malaysians .
No offense Helen, the general view of Malays on Chinese is not that positive. The Malays see many chinese politicians( DAP ) as “talking about Chinese only and that even after lim Dynasty).
I also agree that Malays have a lot of negative attitudes. One among them they are so easily influenced by “fitnah”. And some Malay polticians like Anwar is willing to sell, everything just to be PM.
Note; The word “melayu” is mentioned 54 times in constitution. also mentioned are “orang sungai” among other.
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Thanks, I’m aware of the Quota clause “such proportion as [the Agong] may deem reasonable” under 153. But I’m wondering about the 80% figure. Will look it up & get back to you & Penyokong Ketuanan. And also give your comment a second read. Am now finishing up today’s posting kalau sempat. — Helen
Helen,
thanks for the comment. do verify my claim. It is there for all to see. Again i am not ranting about “supremacy’ or “ketuanan” or anything like that.
anyway, the word “ketuanan” is not even uttered by UMNO or its members.
“…such proportion…’It says that exception to that 80% rule can be made by Yang DiPertuan Agung should His Majesty find no capable Malay to fill a post( presumably a senior post).
It saddens me that because of politics, Malaysians are tearing apart the nation. Actually our legitimate interests can easily be met provided we are willing to accept reality that in multiracial country, no race will ever get whatever they want.
Saya mencabar kesahihan interpretasi Shamshul anuar dan penyokong ketuanan tentang dakwaan mereka bahawa Perlembagaan Malaysia yang adalah bersifat perkauman dan menetapkan kuota yang tidak munasabah (80%) dalam perkhidmatan awam. Lainlah kalau maksud “munasabah” sudah berubah sejak saya ke sekolah.
This cannot go unchallenged.
Saya sudah mual, jelik dan loya dengan penipuan dan pemalsuan Perlembagaan kita yang dikatakan menyokong “ketuanan” Melayu. Kalau tak pernah ke sekolah, boleh-lah saya faham sebab-sebabnya. Tapi kalau yang dah bergelar Prof. dan Dr. tapi sengaja memutar-belit, itu bagi saya sudah berdosa besar.
Perkara 153 adalah di bawah seksyen Am dan Pelbagai Perlembagaan Malaysia, dan saya cadangkan Helen untuk bagi linknya untuk tatapan umum. Ya, memang YDPA perlu “melindungi kedudukan istimewa orang Melayu dan anak negeri mana-mana antara Negeri Sabah dan Sarawak dan kepentingan sah kaum-kaum lain mengikut peruntukan Perkara ini.”. Ini bermakna YDPA bukan sahaja Agong kepada orang Melayu dan Bumiputera tetapi juga perlu menjaga kepentingan SAH kaum-kaum lain. Dengan nasihat PM dan kabinetnya, YDPA boleh menetapkan perizaban kuota jawatan dalam perkhidmatan awam, biasiswa, danasiswa dan keistimewaan pendidikan atau latihan atau apa-apa permit atau lesen di bawah Kerajaan Persekutuan tetapi mengikut “APA-APA PERKADARAN YANG DIFIKIRKAN MUNASABAH”. Dan hakikatnya, Perkara 153 (5) telah menyatakan dengan jelas bahawa ini tidak menjejaskan peruntukan di bawah Perkara 136 yang menyatakan bahawa perlu ada layanan saksama bagi pekerja Persekutuan “WALAU APA PUN RASNYA”.
Saudara dan saudari tepuk dada tanya selera dan jawablah sendiri sama ada layanan yang diterima oleh pekerja Persekutuan saksama atau tidak apabila peluang kenaikan pangkat dan keupayaan untuk memimpin secara amnya ditentukan oleh warna kulit dan bukan kebolehan atau pencapaian mereka. Secara konvensi telah diterima bahawa orang Melayu sahaja yang akan dinobatkan sebagai ketua organisasi Kerajaan.
Apa maksud munasabah? Apa yang boleh dianggap munasabah? Diskriminasi oleh Kerajaan Persekutuan untuk mengimbangi diskriminasi sektor swasta itu munasabah? An eye for an eye is accepted as munasabah? Bukankah Kerajaan Persekutuan perlu menjadi contoh di mana pencapaian seseorang itu diiktiraf tanpa mengira warna kulitnya? Menetapkan kuota yang munasabah adalah untuk memastikan orang Melayu tidak terpinggir daripada peluang pekerjaan dan pendidikan, bukan guarantee mengikut pecahan kaum secara nisbah, dan Banci penduduk 2010 pun tak sampai 70% penduduk Malaysia Melayu dan Bumiputera. Apa taburan peratus kakitangan kerajaan sekarang dan siapa yang mengatakan bahawa orang Melayu wajib diberi 80% dalam perjawatan awam? Mana buktinya? Perlembagaan Malaysia tak sebut, dokumen EPU tak sebut, laporan tahunan JPA tak sebut, ini bukan KPI ke?
Konsep kedudukan istimewa itu adalah untuk perlindungan, bukan ketuanan, bukan dominasi. Shamshul terbohong jika mengatakan UMNO tak pernah mewarwarkan konsep ketuanan Melayu. Sampai buku teks sekolah DBP pun mendefinisikan konsep ini untuk budak-budak sekolah, yakni mentakrifkan Semenanjung Tanah Melayu sebagai tanah pusaka orang Melayu. Nasib baik Tanah Melayu dah jadi Malaysia.
Mempertahankan hak-hak Bumiputera tidak bersifat perkauman. Tetapi, mempertahankan hak-hak Bumiputera dengan mendakwa bahawa orang Melayu itu tuan dan yang lain itu menumpang, dan memetik angka-angka dan cerita daripada langit, itu bersifat kebodohan.
Sememangnya bodoh sekiranya memberikan hak saksama kepada mereka yang mempertikaikan perlembagaan negara.
Terpulang kepada anda untuk menilai apa pun yang ditulis di
sini, tapi saya ingin mempertikaikan dimanakah kesetiaan kepada Raja dan Negara bagi warga Malaysia yang bukan Melayu.
Angka dan nisbah yang disebutkan termasuk juga mereka yang berkhidmat dalam ATM. Kalau tak ada ketentuan kadar nisbah pun, orang bukan Melayu tak mahu sama-sama mempertahankan kedaulatan negara ini.
Ramai Bukan Melayu hanya mahu mempertikai sedangkan bila tiba masa untuk mempertahanlkan negara, bukan Melayu lepas tangan pada Melayu, kemudian mempertikai nisbah kaum dalam perkhidmatan awam.
Saya beri link;
http://www.hmetro.com.my/articles/Hanya903bukanMelayusertaATMpada2008dan2009-AhmadZahid/Article
Tak ada nisbah kaum pun bukan Melayu tak masuk juga
Semoga kita dapat hidup aman di negara bertuah ini
Bukan Perlembagaan yang dipersoalkan, penyelewengan Perlembagaan yang dipersoalkan. Atau terlalu ramai yang termakan racun politikus bahawa penyelewengan usah dipertikaikan? Kita terima sahaja? Dalam perlembagaan Malaysia, yang di sentuh tentang orang Melayu kebanyakannya melibatkan Perkara 89 Tanah Simpanan Melayu dan Perkara 153 Perizaban kuota. Sebanyak 72 kali perkataan “Melayu” disebut dalam perlembagaan dan kalian boleh tatapi apa yang dimaksudkan.
Kebanyakannya merujuk kepada Persekutuan Tanah “Melayu”, bahasa “Melayu” dan Negeri-negeri Tanah “Melayu”, BUKAN orang “Melayu”. “Orang Melayu” disebut 17 kali, “kaum-kaum lain” disebut 3 kali. So what? Ini tidak bererti orang Melayu lebih berhak daripada orang bukan Melayu dalam Perlembagaan. Ini tidak bermakna mereka lebih mulia.
Teliti Perkara 8. Kesamarataan
(1) Semua orang adalah sama rata di sisi undang-undang dan berhak mendapat perlindungan yang sama rata di sisi undang-undang.
(2) Kecuali sebagaimana yang dibenarkan dengan nyata oleh Perlembagaan ini tidak boleh ada diskriminasi terhadap warganegara semata-mata atas alasan agama, ras, keturunan, tempat lahir atau jantina dalam mana-mana undang-undang atau dalam pelantikan kepada apa-apa jawatan atau pekerjaan di bawah sesuatu pihak berkuasa awam atau dalam pentadbiran mana-mana undang-undang yang berhubungan dengan pemerolehan, pemegangan atau pelupusan harta atau berhubungan dengan penubuhan atau penjalanan apa-apa pertukangan, perniagaan, profesion, kerjaya atau pekerjaan.
(3) Tidak boleh ada diskriminasi yang memihak kepada mana-mana orang atas alasan bahawa dia seorang rakyat Raja bagi mana-mana Negeri.
(4) Tiada pihak berkuasa awam boleh mendiskriminasikan mana-mana orang atas alasan bahawa dia bermastautin atau menjalankan perniagaan di mana-mana bahagian Persekutuan di luar bidang kuasa pihak berkuasa itu.
(5) Perkara ini tidak menidaksahkan atau melarang—
(a) apa-apa peruntukan yang mengawal selia undang-undang diri; (b) apa-apa peruntukan atau amalan yang mengehadkan jawatan atau pekerjaan yang berkaitan dengan hal ehwal mana-mana agama, atau sesuatu institusi yang diuruskan oleh sekumpulan orang yang menganuti mana-mana agama, kepada orang yang menganuti agama itu;
(c) apa-apa peruntukan bagi perlindungan, kesentosaan atau pemajuan orang asli Semenanjung Tanah Melayu (termasuk perizaban tanah) atau perizaban bagi orang asli suatu perkadaran yang munasabah daripada jawatan-jawatan yang sesuai dalam perkhidmatan awam;
(d) apa-apa peruntukan yang menetapkan kemastautinan di sesuatu Negeri atau di sebahagian sesuatu Negeri sebagai suatu kelayakan bagi pemilihan atau pelantikan kepada mana-mana pihak berkuasa yang mempunyai bidang kuasa hanya di Negeri atau di bahagian itu sahaja, atau bagi pengundian dalam pemilihan itu; (e) apa-apa peruntukan Perlembagaan sesuatu Negeri, yang adalah atau yang bersamaan dengan suatu peruntukan yang berkuat kuasa sebaik sebelum Hari Merdeka;
(f) apa-apa peruntukan yang mengehadkan pengambilan masuk tentera ke dalam Rejimen Askar Melayu kepada orang Melayu.
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Perkara 161G Kedudukan istimewa orang Melayu di Singapura – Dimansuhkan
Jadual Kedua Belas Perjanjian Persekutuan Tanah Melayu 1948 – Dimansuhkan
1. Perkara 1 nama Malaysia dalam bahasa Melayu dan dalam bahasa Inggeris
2. Perkara 8 kesamarataan subseksyen 5(c) pemajuan orang asli Semenanjung Tanah Melayu
3. & 4. Perkara 8 kesamarataan subseksyen 5(f) pengambilan masuk tentera dalam Rejimen Askar Melayu kepada orang Melayu
5. Perkara 9 larangan buang negeri dan kebebasan bergerak subseksyen Negeri-negeri Tanah Melayu
6. Perkara 16 perihal kewarganegaraan melalui pendaftaran syarat (d) bahawa dia mempunyai pengetahuan asas bahasa Melayu.
7. Perkara 16A kewarganegaraan melalui pendaftaran Sabah dan Sarawak syarat (d) bahawa dia mempunyai pengetahuan yang mencukupi dalam bahasa Melayu atau bahasa Inggeris atau,…
8. Perkara 18 peruntukan am pendaftaran subseksyen 2 tiada pelucutan bagi yang didaftarkan di bawah Perjanjian Persekutuan Tanah Melayu
9. Perkara 19 kewarganegaraan melalui penaturalisasian subseksyen 1(c) bahawa dia mempunyai pengetahuan yang memadai dalam bahasa Melayu
10. Perkara 19 kewarganegaraan melalui penaturalisasian subseksyen 2(c) bahawa dia mempunyai pengetahuan yang memadai dalam bahasa Melayu
11. Perkara 28 di bawah mana-mana peruntukan Perjanjian Persekutuan Tanah Melayu
12. Perkara 76 kuasa Parlimen membuat undang-undang Negeri subseksen 2 apa-apa perkara mengenai hukum Syarak atau adat orang Melayu
13. Perkara 83, ambil tanah untuk persekutuan subseksyen 6 atas perbelanjaan Kerajaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu
14. Perkara 83, ambil tanah untuk persekutuan subseksyen 6 pengambilan itu oleh Kerajaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu
15. pemberian tanah rizab kepada persekutuan subseksyen 2(c) dibayar sebelum Hari Merdeka oleh Kerajaan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu,
16. Perkara 89. Tanah simpanan Melayu
17. Perkara 89. Tanah simpanan Melayu subseksyen 1 merupakan tanah simpanan Melayu
18. Perkara 89. Tanah simpanan Melayu subseksyen 1 terus menjadi tanah simpanan Melayu
19. Perkara 89. Tanah simpanan Melayu subseksyen 1A pemunyaan man-mana tanah simpanan Melayu
20. Perkara 89. Tanah simpanan Melayu subseksyen 1A undang-undang yang berkaitan yang berhubungan dengan tanah simpanan Melayu untuk memegangnya
20. & 21. Perkara 89. Tanah simpanan Melayu subseksyen 2 pada masa ini bukan tanah simpanan Melayu… boleh diisytiharkan sebagai tanah simpanan Melayu
22. Perkara 89. Tanah simpanan Melayu subseksyen 2(a) diisytiharkan sebagai tanah simpanan Melayu di bawah fasal ini
23. Perkara 89. Tanah simpanan Melayu subseksyen 2(b) diisytiharkan sebagai tanah simpanan Melayu di bawah fasal ini
24., 25. & 26. Perkara 89. Tanah simpanan Melayu subseksyen 3 mengisytiharkan sebagai tanah simpanan Melayu … serta-merta mengisytiharkan sebagai tanah simpanan Melayu,… terhenti menjadi tanah simpanan Melayu.
27. & 28. Perkara 89. Tanah simpanan Melayu subseksyen 4 diisytiharkan sebagai tanah simpanan Melayu mana-mana tanah… seseorang yang bukan seorang Melayu atau yang…
29. Perkara 89. Tanah simpanan Melayu subseksyen 5 mengambil tanah untuk menempatkan orang Melayu atau kaum lain, dan mewujudkan amanah bagi maksud itu
30., 31., 32. & 33. Perkara 89. Tanah simpanan Melayu subseksyen 6 Dalam Perkara ini “tanah simpanan Melayu” ertinya tanah yang disimpan untuk diberi hakmilik kepada orang Melayu atau kepada anak negeri bagi Negeri tempat terletaknya tanah itu; dan “orang Melayu” termasuklah mana-mana orang yang, di bawah undang-undang Negeri tempat dia bermastautin, dikira sebagai orang Melayu bagi maksud perizaban tanah.
34. Perkara 89. Tanah simpanan Melayu subseksyen 7 diisytiharkan sebagai tanah simpanan Melayu kecuali
35. & 36. Perkara 89. Tanah simpanan Melayu subseksyen 8 ialah tanah simpanan Melayu … terus mnjadi tanah simpanan Melayu.
37. Perkara 90 Tanah adat dan pegangan Melayu
38. Perkara 90 subseksyen 2 di Negeri Terengganu mengenai tanah pegangan Melayu
39. Perkara 90 subseksyen 3 peruntukan bagi tanah simpanan Melayu
40. & 41. Perkara 90 subseksyen 3(a) merupakan tanah simpanan Melayu… merupakan tanah pegangan Melayu
42. & 43. Perkara 113 perjalanan pilihanraya subseksyen 6 Negeri-negeri Tanah Melayu… ungkapan “Negeri-negeri Tanah Melayu”
44. Perkara 113 perjalanan pilihanraya subseksyen 8 unit kajian semula bagi Negeri-negeri Tanah Melayu
45. Perkara 116. Bahagian pilihanraya persekutuan subseksyen 2 pilihanraya di dalam Negeri-negeri Tanah Melayu
46. & 47. Perkara 121. Kuasa kehakiman persekutuan subseksyen 1(a) satu di Negeri-negeri Tanah Melayu…. di mana-mana tempat di Negeri-negeri Tanah Melayu
48. Perkara 150 proklamasi darurat subseksyen 6A apa-apa perkara hukum Syarak atau adat Melayu
49. Perkara 152. bahasa kebangsaan subseksyen 1 bahasa kebangsaan ialah bahasa Melayu
50. Perkara 153 perizaban kuota
51. Perkara 153 perizaban kuota subseksyen 1 kedudukan istimewa orang Melayu dan anak negeri
52. & 53. Perkara 153. perizaban kuota subseksyen 2 melindungi kedudukan istimewa orang Melayu…. perizaban bagi orang Melayu…
54. Perkara 153. perizaban kuota subseksyen 3 perizaban bagi orang Melayu dan anak negeri
55. Perkara 153. perizaban kuota subseksyen 6 permit atau lesen itu bagi orang Melayu
56. Perkara 153. perizaban kuota subseksyen 8 permit atau lesen itu bagi orang Melayu
57. Perkara 153. perizaban kuota subseksyen 8A tempat-tempat itu orang Melayu
58. Perkara 153. perizaban kuota subseksyen 9 maksud perizaban bagi orang Melayu…
59. Perkara 160 tafsiran orang asli Semenanjung Tanah Melayu
60., 61. & 62. Perkara 160 tafsiran orang Melayu… bercakap bahasa Melayu… menurut adat Melayu.
63. Perkara 160 tafsiran persekutuan di bawah Perjanjin Persekutuan Tanah Melayu
64. Perkara 160 tafsiran subseksyen 5(a) selepas Perjanjian Persekutuan Tanah Melayu
65. Perkara 160 tafsiran subseksyen 7 Perjanjian Persekutuan Tanah Melayu
66. Perkara 161A kedudukan istimewa anak negeri Sabah & Sarawak subseksyen 6 ras ras termasuk lugat lisum Melayu melano etc.
67. Perkara 161E perlindungan kedudukan dari segi perlembagaan untuk Sabah & Sarawak subseksyen 1 dengan kedudukan Negeri-negeri Tanah Melayu
68. Perkara 161E perlindungan kedudukan dari segi perlembagaan untuk Sabah & Sarawak subseksyen 2(a) bermastautin di Negeri-negeri Tanah Melayu
69. Perkara 161E perlindungan kedudukan dari segi perlembagaan untuk Sabah & Sarawak subseksyen 3 kedudukan Negeri-negeri Tanah Melayu
70. & 71. Perkara 162 Undang-undang yang sedia ada subseksyen 3 yang ditubuhkan oleh Perjanjian Persekutuan Tanah Melayu… di bawah Perjanjian Persekutuan Tanah Melayu
72. Perkara 180 pemeliharaan pencen subseksyen 1 Jadual Kesepuluh kepada Perjanjian Persekutuan Tanah Melayu
I hate N’Sync,
Komen anda April 15, 2012 at 3:55 am –
Saya mungkin tidak sedar bila mulanya sebutan “N’Sync”, tapi kalau boleh, tolong beri tahu apa makna “N’Sync” – jika ada makna – kerana perkataan “hate” di gunakan sebagai nama dan kata kata kesat ada di gunakan di atas nama itu, termasuk dii komen 9:18 pm anda. Saya ingin tahu bagi memahami apa yang di maksudkan sebenarnya di komen komen anda.
Selepas membaca komen komen anda mulai April 15, 2012 at 3:55 am hingga 5:37 pm, (sekarang baca sepintas lalu komen berikutinya), maka dalam konteks faham memahami dan saling mengerti maksud di tulisan tulisan kita di sini, ingin saya bertanya/ membuat komen komen berikut:
1. Apa kah yang anda maksudkan dengan perkataan “penipuan dan pemalsuan Perlembagaan kita yang dikatakan menyokong “ketuanan” Melayu”? Dan siapa kah yang “dah bergelar Prof. dan Dr. tapi sengaja memutar-belit” yang anda masksudkan itu?
2. Apa kah tujuan anda mengatakan bahawa Perkara 153 adalandah di bawah seksyen Am dan Pelbagai Perlembagaan Malaysia, apa kah berlain kesannya bila di letakkan begitu?
3. Bagus lah anda akui bahawa “memang YDPA perlu “melindungi kedudukan istimewa orang Melayu dan anak negeri mana-mana antara Negeri Sabah dan Sarawak.” Kedudukan Istimewa Melayu dan Bumiputera” itu telah di terangkan dengan panjang lebar. Saya akui Perlembagaan meyatakan bahawa YDPA perlu mempertahankan kepentingan “sah yang lain lain” (the legitimate interest of the others) itu. TetapI kepentingan itu tidak di nyatakan dengan terang, dan bergantung kapada interpretasi (subject to interpretation), berdasarkan Perkara Perkara (Clauses) lain di dalam Perlembagaan. Contohnya, sekolah Cina langsung tidak di sebut di dalam Perlembagaan. Hanya di sebut di Perkara 152 bahawa “mother tongue” boleh di gunakan SELAIN DARI UNTUK TUJUAN RESMI.
4. Benar Perkara 136 menyatakan bahawa perlu ada layanan saksama bagi pekerja Persekutuan. Tetapi, apabila Perkara 153 menyatakan ada keistimewaan di beri kapada Melayu dan Bumiputera Sabah dan Sarawak, maka tentulah 153 mengambil keutamaan atau “precedence over” Perkara 136. Jika tidak, apa gunanya 153 di sebut di dalam Perlembagaan itu. Seolah olah mengatakan kamu ada hak yang sama di dalam berbagai perkara umumnya (contohnya, bebas bercakap dsbnya) tetapi kaum Melayu dan Bumiputera ada Hak Istimewa. Maka tidak bermakna bahawa 136 menghilangkan Perkara 153. Tidak bijak sesiapa memikirkan begitu.
(Perkara nisbah dll nya saya yaakin akan di jawab oleh peserta lain di diskussi ini.)
5. Perlu di ingati bahawa Perlembagaan telah di bincang dan di luluskan di Parlimen secara demokratik 2 kali – sekali di masa Merdeka, sekali lagi – dengan pindaan – di masa penubuhan Malaysia. Perlu juga di ingati bahawa perkara kuota juga di praktikkan di China oleh Maharaja Manchu, walau pun mereka ada kuasa mutlak di zaman itu – penduduk penduduk Cina di selatan China di peruntukkan 25% tempat di perkhidmatan awam China di masa itu, walau pun orang orang Manchu memegang lebih dari itu. Maka tidak perlu lah kita menepuk dada menanya selera, kita terima sahaja lah Perlembagaan yang telah di luluskan oleh Parlimen secara demokratik itu.
6. Munasabah ia lah keadaan bila kita mengaku kita rakyat Malaysia, menerima, menghormati dan mematuhi Perlembagaan negara itu. Kalau kita selalu “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, nanti ramai yang hilang mata dan gigi, tidak baik untuk sesiapa. Jangan lah kita asyik harapkan Kerajaan buat sesuatu, dengar lah apa kata Presiden JF Kennedy, “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country”, dan terima lah negara ini “right ot wrong, warts and all.” Percaya lah bawa tidak ada negara yang genap serba serbinya. Mengarut sesiapa yang mengata sebaliknya.
7. Apa yang di katakana konsep ketuanan bukan dominasi, bukan perhubungan tuan dan hamba, tetapi apa yang di bayangkan di kuasa serta fungsi Raja Raja Melayu yang tertera di Perlembagaan. Jika anda mengatakan UMNO pernah mewarwarkan konsep ketuanan Melayu yang bermaksud selain dari itu, sila beri rujukannya. Jika buku teks sekolah DBP “mentakrifkan Semenanjung Tanah Melayu sebagai tanah pusaka orang Melayu”, apa salahnya dan apa bezanya dengan keadaan “Tanah Melayu dah jadi Malaysia” selagi tidak mengatakan mereka yang telah menjadi rakyat di negara ini tidak boleh tinggal di sini melainkan jika tidak menghormati Perlembagaan negara.
8. Jika anda tidak mahu menerima ciri ciri ketuanan yang ada pada Raja Raja Melayu, anda tidak berhak memanggil diri anda rakyat Malaysia. Ciri ciri itu nyata ada, umpamanya seperti hal peresmian perbincangan Mesyuarat Parlimen dan Dewan Dewan Undangan Negeri – terutama nya bagi membincangkan dan meluluskan Budget yang bermakna selagi tidak di luluskan tiada satu sen pun perbelanjaan boleh di lakukan setiap tahun di peringkat Federal dan peringkat negeri.
Begitu juga kuasa yang ada pada YDPA melantik Perdana Menteri, Jemaah Menteri dan kesemua Pegawai Pegawai tinggi yang perlu di gazette, dan Raja Raja melantik Menteri Menteri Besar, Exco dan Pegawai Pegawai tertinggi negeri. Benar, mereka melakukan itu semua “di atas nasihat Perdana Menteri dan Menteri Menteri Besar”, tetapi kita sudah lihat apa jadi nya bila Sultan Perak menggunakan bijaksana nya bagi “menentukan samada ada parti yang ingin merintah benar benar ada majoriti di Dewan Undangan Negeri. Akibatnya, Nizar menjadi “Menteri Besar sekejap”.
Saya berharap akan dapat membalas komen komen anda yang lain di esok hari. Selamat malam.
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Oh, you’ve dropped in. I’ve provided the SRJK (C) stats you asked for. See at the ‘Perang Salib’ posting. 1Q.4u: Do you know when the term Bumiputera was coined? Thanks. — Helen
Dear Anon,
Tentang nama pena saya itu mudah saja, dan makna zahirnya jelas, I hate N’Sync – ‘N Sync kumpulan boy band bekas Justin Timberlake. Tak ada kaitan dengan content. Maaf kalau rasa terkasar bahasa coretan saya, sememangnya saya kurang penyabar, cepat rimas dan tak suka putar-belit gaya bahasa halus.
Soalan-soalan anda:
1. Apa kah yang anda maksudkan dengan perkataan “penipuan dan pemalsuan Perlembagaan kita yang dikatakan menyokong “ketuanan” Melayu”? Dan siapa kah yang “dah bergelar Prof. dan Dr. tapi sengaja memutar-belit” yang anda masksudkan itu?
Sudah bertahun-tahun rakyat kita didondangkan dengan lagu ketuanan Melayu yang memupuk fahaman “abang-adik” dalam kontek hubungan sesama kaum Melayu dan bukan Melayu di Malaysia. Saudara mentakrifkan ketuanan di sini dengan merujuk kepada kedaulatan Raja-raja Melayu, tetapi itu bukan mesej yang sampai ke akal rakyat jelata. Konsep ini diperalat sebagai dalil menunjukkan kelebihan hak orang Melayu dan Bumiputera berbanding orang bukan Melayu, dan telah dijadikan justifikasi untuk pelbagai jenis inisiatif yang sudah melampaui batas munasabah dan cara perizaban kuota yang disarankan dalam Perlembagaan Persekutuan. Contoh yang paling ketara ialah perkadaran kuota lesen, permit serta penjawat awam dan yang tidak ditetapkan dalam Perkara 153, dan khususnya Perkara 153 subseksyen 8A yang mengatakan perizaban hanya boleh dilakukan untuk pendidikan tertiari jika bilangan tempat yang ditawarkan kurang daripada bilangan calon yang layak. Kerana penipuan dan pemalsuan Perkara 153 ini kita ada rakyat Malaysia seperti Shamshul dan rakan-rakan yang sewaktu dengannya yang mempercayai bahawa perkadaran munasabah untuk penjawat awam Melayu adalah 80%. Ramai yang berilmu pengetahuan memahami maksud dan lunas Fasal tersebut tetapi tidak menjelaskannya, tetapi sama-sama hanyut di bawa doktrin “hak” istimewa.
2. Apa kah tujuan anda mengatakan bahawa Perkara 153 adalandah di bawah seksyen Am dan Pelbagai Perlembagaan Malaysia, apa kah berlain kesannya bila di letakkan begitu?
Susunan dalam Perlembagaan Malaysia ada maksudnya. Bukan secara kebetulan kedudukan agama Islam terletak dalam Perkara 3(1) dan Bahagian 1. Juga bukan kebetulan hak kesamarataan terletak dalam Perkara 8 di bawah Bahagian 2. Kebebasan asasi. Dalam sesebuah Perlembagaan, prinsip asasnya perlu dipersetujui dahulu, kemudian baru kita bergerak kepada seksyen-seksyen kuasa dan perincian perkara-perkara tertentu. Apa yang bercanggah dengan undang-undang asas dalam Perlembagaan adalah menjadi tidak sah. Ini bermakna apabila kita baca Seksyen Am dan Pelbagai, kita telah terima prinsip-prinsip Perlembagaan yang telah dinyatakan terlebih dahulu, dan the spirit of the document must be read in context.
3. Bagus lah anda akui bahawa “memang YDPA perlu “melindungi kedudukan istimewa orang Melayu dan anak negeri mana-mana antara Negeri Sabah dan Sarawak.” Kedudukan Istimewa Melayu dan Bumiputera” itu telah di terangkan dengan panjang lebar. Saya akui Perlembagaan meyatakan bahawa YDPA perlu mempertahankan kepentingan “sah yang lain lain” (the legitimate interest of the others) itu. TetapI kepentingan itu tidak di nyatakan dengan terang, dan bergantung kapada interpretasi (subject to interpretation), berdasarkan Perkara Perkara (Clauses) lain di dalam Perlembagaan. Contohnya, sekolah Cina langsung tidak di sebut di dalam Perlembagaan. Hanya di sebut di Perkara 152 bahawa “mother tongue” boleh di gunakan SELAIN DARI UNTUK TUJUAN RESMI.
Saya rasa ini satu lagi kesilapan apabila kita meneliti dokumen Perlembagaan. Perkara 152 menyentuh tentang soal Bahasa Kebangsaan, dan bahasanya jelas dalam subseksyen 1(a) dan 1(b).
(a) tiada seorang pun BOLEH dilarang atau dihalang daripada menggunakan (selain bagi maksud rasmi), atau daripada mengajarkan atau belajar, apa-apa bahasa lain; dan
(b) tiada apa-apa jua dalam Fasal ini boleh menjejaskan hak Kerajaan Persekutuan atau hak mana-mana Kerajaan Negeri untuk memelihara dan meneruskan penggunaan dan pengajian bahasa mana-mana kaum lain di dalam Persekutuan.
Ada yang membuat interpretasi bahawa Perkara 152 tidak memberi jaminan penggunaan bahasa selain bahasa kebangsaan sebagai bahasa pengantar dalam pendidikan. Itu betul sebab Perkara 152 bukan tentang bahasa pengantar pendidikan, biarpun maksud rasmi itu merujuk kepada perkhidmatan awam secara amnya. Kita perlu teliti Perkara 152 1(b) yang mengatakan Kerajaan Persekutuan dan Kerajaan Negeri boleh memelihara dan meneruskan penggunaan bahasa mana-mana kaum lain. Ini bermakna kerajaan ada kelonggaran untuk memikirkan cara-caranya, jika perlu. Perkara 12 dalam Perlembagaan Malaysia ada menyebut Hak berkenaan dengan pendidikan, tetapi itu lebih merujuk kepada bantuan kewangan untuk semua jenis institusi pendidikan. Mustahil penggubal-penggubal perlembagaan kita tak sedar akan realiti sistem sekolah di Malaya dahulu. Tidak wujud perlindungan secara spesifik dalam perlembagaan untuk SRJK tidak bermakna sekolah vernakular wajib dihapuskan. Yang menjadi persoalan di sini bukan Akta Bahasa Kebangsaan, tetapi Akta Pendidikan kerana yang menjadi isu adalah penggunaan bahasa lain sebagai bahasa pengantar di sekolah. Seksyen 17(1) Akta Pendidikan 1996 jelas menyatakan:
Seksyen 17(1) Bahasa kebangsaan hendaklah menjadi bahasa pengantar utama di semua institusi pendidikan dalam Sistem Pendidikan Kebangsaan KECUALI sekolah jenis kebangsaan yang ditubuhkan di bawah seksyen 28 atau mana-mana institusi pendidikan lain yang dikecualikan oleh Menteri daripada subseksyen ini.
Bab 3 – Pendidikan Rendah
Seksyen 28. Penubuhan dan penyenggaraan sekolah kebangsaan dan sekolah jenis kebangsaan. Tertakluk kepada peruntukan Akta ini, Menteri boleh menubuhkan sekolah kebangsaan dan sekolah jenis kebangsaan dan hendaklah menyenggarakan sekolah-sekolah itu.
Jelas daripada Akta Pendidikan bahawa ada dinyatakan pengecualian penggunaan bahasa kebangsaan untuk sekolah jenis kebangsaan dan adalah menjadi tanggungjawab Menteri mengadakan pendidikan rendah di sekolah rendah dan sekolah rendah bantuan kerajaan (Seksyen 27). Bab 4 – Pendidikan Menengah, Seksyen 31 turut mengatakan Menteri boleh menubuhkan dan menyenggarakan mana-mana sekolah menengah.
Akta Pendidikan 1996 juga turut memberi definisi jelas apa itu sekolah jenis kebangsaan, yakni, sekolah rendah kerajaan atau sekolah rendah bantuan kerajaan (a) yang menyediakan pendidikan rendah yang sesuai bagi murid dan umur enam tahun; (b) yang menggunakan bahasa Cina atau Tamil sebagai bahasa pengantar utama; dan (c) yang menjadikan bahasa kebangsaan dan bahasa (d) Inggeris sebagai mata pelajaran wajib.
Apakah Akta Pendidikan 1996 bercanggah dengan Perlembagaan Malaysia, khususnya Perkara 152(1) dan (6)? Dari awal-awal lagi matlamat Perkara 152(1) adalah untuk memastikan agar kedudukan bahasa kebangsaan dimaktubkan dalam perlembagaan tanpa menyekat penggunaan bahasa lain (tidak semestinya mandarin dan tamil sahaja). Yang dipersetujui adalah untuk tujuan rasmi, bahasa kebangsaan wajib digunakan. Itu sebabnya by default, bahasa pengantar pendidikan sekolah di Malaysia adalah bahasa kebangsaan – seperti yang dinyatakan jua dalam Seksyen 17 Akta Pendidikan 1996.
Kalau Anon setuju dan sedar Perlembagaan Malaysia menetapkan prinsip asas untuk kedudukan istimewa orang Melayu dan Bumiputera, kena ada perundangan khusus lain untuk memperinci cara untuk melaksanakan kuota tersebut. Apakah cara pemberian AP atau permit itu mengikut semangat asal Perlembagaan kita? Perlembagaan Malaysia juga tak pernah sebut langsung pasal Ketuanan Melayu, bukankah begitu? Apakah perkadaran yang MUNASABAH?
4. Benar Perkara 136 menyatakan bahawa perlu ada layanan saksama bagi pekerja Persekutuan. Tetapi, apabila Perkara 153 menyatakan ada keistimewaan di beri kapada Melayu dan Bumiputera Sabah dan Sarawak, maka tentulah 153 mengambil keutamaan atau “precedence over” Perkara 136. Jika tidak, apa gunanya 153 di sebut di dalam Perlembagaan itu. Seolah olah mengatakan kamu ada hak yang sama di dalam berbagai perkara umumnya (contohnya, bebas bercakap dsbnya) tetapi kaum Melayu dan Bumiputera ada Hak Istimewa. Maka tidak bermakna bahawa 136 menghilangkan Perkara 153. Tidak bijak sesiapa memikirkan begitu.
(Perkara nisbah dll nya saya yaakin akan di jawab oleh peserta lain di diskussi ini.)
Anon kena baca balik Perkara 153 (5) Perkara ini tidaklah mengurangkan peruntukan Perkara 136. Maksudnya apa? Maksudnya biarpun kita buat perizaban kuota, kita tidak membelakangkan prinsip layanan saksama bagi mereka yang berada dalam perkhidmatan awam. Semua ada peluang nak pangkat ikut keupayaan, bukan ras. Anon buat pemahaman songsang. Dalam Perkara 8, salah satu kebebasan asasi ialah prinsip kesamarataan. Kedudukan istimewa bukan hak istimewa. Perkara 136 bukan menghilangkan Perkara 153, tetapi mengingatkan bahawa Perkara 153 tidak menjejaskan konsep layanan saksama dalam perkhidmatan awam!
Bab tentang kuota penjawat awam Melayu sekarang, cuba teliti laporan berita berikut:
JPA: Tiada kuota kaum untuk ambil kakitangan
23 November 2006
KUALA LUMPUR: Persidangan Dewan Rakyat hari ini diberitahu tidak ada kuota mengikut kaum dalam pengambilan kakitangan Perkhidmatan Awam di negara ini.
Timbalan Menteri di Jabatan Perdana Menteri Datuk Abdul Raman Suliman berkata malah Suruhanjaya Perkhidmatan Awam telah dan sedang melaksanakan pelbagai langkah untuk menggalakkan rakyat Malaysia pelbagai kaum menyertai Perkhidmatan Awam.
“Kita tak amalkan kuota untuk pengambilan kakitangan Perkhidmatan Awam tetapi ikut skim yang ada,” katanya menjawab soalan tambahan Ketua Pembangkang Lim Kit Siang (DAP-Ipoh Timur) di sini.
Lim dalam soalannya berkata wujud ketidakseimbangan yang besar dalam Perkhidmatan Awam kerana lebih 80 peratus daripada kakitangannya adalah Melayu, manakala Cina dan India masing-masing hanya sekitar sembilan peratus dan lima peratus.
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Masih tak nampak lagi bukti penetapan kuota penjawat awam Melayu dalam Perlembagaan Malaysia pada 80%.
5. Perlu di ingati bahawa Perlembagaan telah di bincang dan di luluskan di Parlimen secara demokratik 2 kali – sekali di masa Merdeka, sekali lagi – dengan pindaan – di masa penubuhan Malaysia. Perlu juga di ingati bahawa perkara kuota juga di praktikkan di China oleh Maharaja Manchu, walau pun mereka ada kuasa mutlak di zaman itu – penduduk penduduk Cina di selatan China di peruntukkan 25% tempat di perkhidmatan awam China di masa itu, walau pun orang orang Manchu memegang lebih dari itu. Maka tidak perlu lah kita menepuk dada menanya selera, kita terima sahaja lah Perlembagaan yang telah di luluskan oleh Parlimen secara demokratik itu.
Apa kaitannya dengan kita? Perlembagaan tak menetapkan perkadarannya, tetapi diberitahu kena MUNASABAH. Maksud Anon, munasabah di sini adalah apabila minoriti (Manchu) yang berkuasa diberi peruntukan kuasa lebih besar daripada majoriti (selatan China) yang tidak berkuasa? Atau Anon sebenarnya nak beritahu saya kita kena terima apa saja pihak yang berkuasa tetapkan dan jangan banyak soal? So, sejak bila Parlimen dengan demokratik itu meluluskan perkadaran pada 80%?
6. Munasabah ia lah keadaan bila kita mengaku kita rakyat Malaysia, menerima, menghormati dan mematuhi Perlembagaan negara itu. Kalau kita selalu “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, nanti ramai yang hilang mata dan gigi, tidak baik untuk sesiapa. Jangan lah kita asyik harapkan Kerajaan buat sesuatu, dengar lah apa kata Presiden JF Kennedy, “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country”, dan terima lah negara ini “right ot wrong, warts and all.” Percaya lah bawa tidak ada negara yang genap serba serbinya. Mengarut sesiapa yang mengata sebaliknya.
Tentulah tak ada kerajaan yang genap serba-serbinya, kerajaan Nabi Muhammad s.a.w. pun ada isu-isunya. Yang penting bukan tak ada masalah, yang penting ialah kita boleh berbincang dan mencari jalan penyelesaian kepada masalah. Apakah Anon dan orang Melayu yang lain rasa munasabah dan sihat jika 80% penjawat awam itu Melayu? saudara pernah tengok pecahan penjawat awam mengikut kaum untuk setiap kementerian?
7. Apa yang di katakana konsep ketuanan bukan dominasi, bukan perhubungan tuan dan hamba, tetapi apa yang di bayangkan di kuasa serta fungsi Raja Raja Melayu yang tertera di Perlembagaan. Jika anda mengatakan UMNO pernah mewarwarkan konsep ketuanan Melayu yang bermaksud selain dari itu, sila beri rujukannya. Jika buku teks sekolah DBP “mentakrifkan Semenanjung Tanah Melayu sebagai tanah pusaka orang Melayu”, apa salahnya dan apa bezanya dengan keadaan “Tanah Melayu dah jadi Malaysia” selagi tidak mengatakan mereka yang telah menjadi rakyat di negara ini tidak boleh tinggal di sini melainkan jika tidak menghormati Perlembagaan negara.
Saya memang setuju itu maksud asal ketuanan Melayu atau lebih tepat kedaulatan Raja-raja Melayu. Tetapi itu bukan maksud yang diwar-warkan oleh UMNO.
Nak bukti? Nah:
Tan Sri Abdullah Ahmad, bekas ahli Parlimen Kok Lanas pada 30 ogos 1986 di Singapura, dan petikan highlight:
Let us make no mistake – the political system in Malaysia is founded on MALAY DOMINANCE. That is the premise from which we should start. The Malays must be politically dominant in Malaysia as the Chinese are politically dominant in Singapore.
– Tan Sri Abdullah Ahmad
Banyak lagi ucapan-ucapan kalimat keramat itu dan dalam lidah media arus perdana Utusan Malaysia. Kalau konsep ketuanan Melayu yang songsang ini tidak wujud, apakah wacana politik yang ditolak oleh Ong Ka Ting dan Ong Tee Keat dari MCA dan yang lain dari Gerakan kalau bukan ketuanan Melayu ala-UMNO? Suka jua saya ungkitkan titah Baginda Sultan Johor Sultan Ibrahim Iskandar pada bulan Disember 2010 yang mengingatkan maksud sebenar Ketuanan Melayu yang berpaksikan kedaulatan Raja-raja Melayu dan menyeru agar “… orang Melayu sekalian supaya muhasabah diri dan segera kembali ke pangkal jalan”.
Untuk buku DBP, saya sarankan nukilan bab buku Ting (2009) bertajuk Malaysian history textbooks and the discourse of ketuanan Melayu. Pada tahun 2002 perkataan Ketuanan Melayu dimasukkan dalam buku teks sejarah tingkatan lima sebagai salah satu konsep bina negara yang tidak lagi diterima pakai selepas kemerdekaan (Kementerian Pelajaran Malaysia 2002). Pada tahun 2003 istilah itu dimasukkan dalam buku teks tingkatan tiga, tapi maksudnya sudah ada sedikit perbezaan. Antara petikan utamanya:
In one of the textbooks, its definition
is given as:
“The love for whatever that is related to the Malay race such as political rights, language, culture, heritage, customs and homeland. The Malay Peninsula (Semenanjung Tanah Melayu) is regarded as the ancestral land of the Malays.”
(Form Three Textbook: 45)
“The re-introduction of the (concept of) ‘Malay ruler’s subject’ (under the scheme of the Federation of Malaya Agreement) is proof of the continuation of British policy as protector of the special position of the Malays, the status
quo of the Malay states as protectorate, Islam and Malay customs as the core of Malay supremacy (teras ketuanan bangsa Melayu). These principles, proposed by UMNO and the Malay Rulers, have been included in the 1948 Federation of Malaya Agreement as written law. They have become the basis of Social Contract between the British and the Malay Rulers and Malay people that has been continued after 1948.”
(Form Five Textbook: 108)
Inilah yang cuba disemaikan di kalangan anak-anak muda kita, yang kedudukan istimewa orang Melayu dalam Perlembagaan itu merupakan kontrak sosial orang British dengan Raja-raja Melayu dan orang Melayu.
Dan Ting menjelaskan:
“This was arguably not the understanding among the independence leaders in their formulation of the Alliance Political Testament when reaching a consensus on the issue of the Special Position of the Malays. The work of Fernando (2002:
85), who examined the various official records on the making of the Constitution, and also Heng (1988: 206), who had access to the MCA archives regarding the Alliance negotiations, both indicate that Tunku Abdul Rahman emphasized the
need for providing ‘special position for the Malays’ as protective measures for the Malay population in the context of their general socio-economic situation. The textbook also omitted to mention that the Alliance came to a consensus to subject this provision to review 15 years after independence, a position retained by the Reid Commission in its constitutional proposals but abandoned after strong opposition from within the UMNO rank and file as well as from other Malay opposition parties. This dynamic of dialogue and negotiation among the three component parties of UMNO, MCA and MIC in arriving at a consensus for their memorandum, and the contested nature of the provisions on the special position of the Malays during negotiation are not narrated in the textbooks.
(p. 41)
8. Jika anda tidak mahu menerima ciri ciri ketuanan yang ada pada Raja Raja Melayu, anda tidak berhak memanggil diri anda rakyat Malaysia. Ciri ciri itu nyata ada, umpamanya seperti hal peresmian perbincangan Mesyuarat Parlimen dan Dewan Dewan Undangan Negeri – terutama nya bagi membincangkan dan meluluskan Budget yang bermakna selagi tidak di luluskan tiada satu sen pun perbelanjaan boleh di lakukan setiap tahun di peringkat Federal dan peringkat negeri.
Begitu juga kuasa yang ada pada YDPA melantik Perdana Menteri, Jemaah Menteri dan kesemua Pegawai Pegawai tinggi yang perlu di gazette, dan Raja Raja melantik Menteri Menteri Besar, Exco dan Pegawai Pegawai tertinggi negeri. Benar, mereka melakukan itu semua “di atas nasihat Perdana Menteri dan Menteri Menteri Besar”, tetapi kita sudah lihat apa jadi nya bila Sultan Perak menggunakan bijaksana nya bagi “menentukan samada ada parti yang ingin merintah benar benar ada majoriti di Dewan Undangan Negeri. Akibatnya, Nizar menjadi “Menteri Besar sekejap”.
Anon salah tembak kalau merasakan saya tidak menerima kedaulatan Raja-raja Melayu. Yang saya rasa cukup lucu ialah pernyataan yang mengatakan bahawa kerakyatan orang bukan Melayu “diberi” pada saat pembentukan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu. Hakikatnya, kerakyatan (Negeri) dan kewarganegaraan (Persekutuan) merupakan dua isu yang berbeza ketika itu. Itu realiti sejarah sebenar dan ramai orang Melayu hari ini lupa bahawa majoriti orang bukan Melayu (kelahiran tempatan) sememangnya sudah menjadi rakyat negeri di bawah kuasa Raja-raja Melayu masing-masing SEBELUM pembentukan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu. Pada tahun 1904 sudah ada perundangan enakmen naturalisasi dalam Negeri-negeri Melayu Bersekutu. Yang lahir di luar negeri pun boleh jadi rakyat negeri. Proses kewarganegaraan Persekutuan bermula pada tahun 1948 dan dilonggarkan pada 1952. Shamshul dan rakan-rakan yang sewaktunya menceritakan kemunculan masyarakat berbilang kaum secara tiba-tiba, tetapi hakikatnya ia merupakan satu proses yang berkesinambungan, di mana orang bukan Melayu yang juga rakyat Negeri masing-masing diterima sebagai warganegara, di tambah dengan orang bukan Melayu yang tak ada kerakyatan negeri.
I hate N’Sync at 3:31 am,
Bahru saja komen anda di moderatekan. Bagus mendapat respon dalam bahasa yang tidak kesat kali ini. Akan di beri reciprocity sedaya mana yang boleh.
1. “Saudara mentakrifkan ketuanan di sini dengan merujuk kepada kedaulatan Raja-raja Melayu, tetapi itu bukan mesej yang sampai ke akal rakyat jelata.” Bukan kah salahnya terletak pada yang mendengarnya? Bukan kah so’al mahu atau enggan menerimanya? Sebab iu semua ada tertera di Perlembagaan negara.
Tidak setuju kata kata anda “Konsep ini diperalat sebagai dalil menunjukkan kelebihan hak orang Melayu dan Bumiputera berbanding orang bukan Melayu, dan telah dijadikan justifikasi untuk pelbagai jenis inisiatif yang sudah melampaui batas munasabah dan cara perizaban kuota yang disarankan dalam Perlembagaan Persekutuan.” Contoh kuota yang anda beri ada lah umum, tidak spesifik. Perlu ada anglka angka bagi tiap bidang yang di komplenkan. Siap dengan punca maklumat yang boelh di percayai. Sebab demikian banyak penipuan oleh pihak Pembangkang. Sehingga yang tidak membangkang pun susah nak percaya apa yang mereka kata. Terutamanya bila kerap menuduh liar.
2. Memang lah ada kebebasan asasi. Tapi jika prinsip asasnya sudah dipersetujui pun, takkan tak boleh di sebutkan pula had yang di persetujui? Bukan kah Per 153 sudah di persetujui di Parlimen 2 kali? Apa yang mahu di ungkitkan lagi? Tidak bijak lah jika mengatakan 153 tidak sah kerana ada Per 8. Di mana anda berlajjar itu? Mengata atau membayangkan begitu boleh mendatangkan anda tuduhan mengarut. Bukan loyar pun faham bahawa walau pun ada hak bebas bercakap tapi boleh ada sekatan atau hadnya seperti di Akta Hasutan. Apa kah Akta Hasutan tak sah sebab menghadkan kebebasan rakyat bercakap?
3. Perkara 152 1(a) dan 1(b) menyatakan Mandarin tidak boleh di gunakan sebagai bahasa pengantar di sekolah sebab sekolah ada lah tujuan resmi negara. Tidak lain dan tidak bukan. Sekolah vernacular sekarang hanya mendapat “pengecualian” – bukan hak – menggunakan bahasa selain dari Bahasa Malaysia sebagai bahasa pengantar.
” memelihara dan meneruskan penggunaan bahasa mana-mana kaum lain” bukan secara menggunanya sebagai bahasa pengantar. Boleh di pelajari dan di ajar disekolah sekolah sebagai mata pelajaran pilihan atau “elective vernakular bukan isunya.
Penggubal Perlembagaan menggubal, membuat derap yang di bincang dan di luluskan oleh Parlimen. Pemerintah selepas Merdeka punya tanggung jawab menyelesaikan isu sekolah vernakular selapas Perlembagaan berkuat kuasa. Tapi mereka bergelora dengan suasana Merdeka, dan Tun Tan Siew Sin kata di Parlimen sebelom pergaduhan kaum 13 Mei 1969 bahawa “The Malays have been generous enough” – 2 kali, setujukan kerakyatan di masa Merdeka dan longgarkan syarat syarat pengeluaran sijil kerakyatan selepas Merdeka.
Sebenarnya kaum Melayu masih “generous lagi” hingga sekarang. Maka di eksploitasi oleh mereka seperti anda dan Dong Zong. Tidak berterima kasih, sebaliknya asyik mengeksploitasi. Tidak patut lah.
Hal hal lain akan di counter-comment kemudian bila sempat.
Saudara Anon, saya masih tak percaya saudara boleh dengan terang-terang menganggap perkadaran 80% itu munasabah mengikut Perlembagaan. Realitinya sekarang perjawatan awam itu sudah tak sihat dengan taburan etnik yang lopsided. Perkara 153 merujuk isu PENGAMBILAN penjawat awam, intake my dear, Perkara 136 merujuk layanan saksama DALAM PERKHIDMATAN AWAM TANPA MENGIKUT RAS. Subseksyen 8A Perkara 153 memperincikan kondisi untuk membuat kuota untuk kemasukan universiti bagi orang Melayu hanya APABILA TEMPAT UNTUK YANG LAYAK TAK CUKUP!
Perkara 153 adalah untuk tujuan PERLINDUNGAN, bukan DOMINASI. Apa yang tak faham ni? Saya bercakap bahasa Jepun ke?
Lagi-lagi akta hasutan. Perlembagaan Malaysia Perkara 10 tentang kebebasan bercakap, berhimpun dan berpersatuan ada hadnya di bawah sub-seksyen 2, 3 dan 4 yang memberi kuasa kepada Parlimen untuk buat undang-undang dan sekatan-sekatan. Bacalah Perlembagaan itu betul-betul.
Perkara 152 1(a) dan 1(b) TIDAK menyatakan Mandarin boleh digunakan sebagai bahasa pengantar di sekolah. Saya setuju. Saya juga setuju kewujudan SRJK(C) dan SRJK(T) itu adalah sebagai PENGECUALIAN. Saya tak pernah pun bersetuju sekolah vernakular itu hak. Saya hanya menegaskan sekolah vernakular bukan sekolah haram sebab ada peruntukan dalam undang-undang. Interpretasi Anon bahawa 152,1(b) tidak memberi kerajaan Persekutuan kelonggaran menentukan cara pemeliharaan dan penerusan penggunaan bahasa itu bukan sahaja sempit tetapi telah menyimpang. Kalau 152, 1(b) tak ada, Akta Pendidikan sudah menyalahi Perlembagaan. Baca sekali dengan Perkara 12 tentang hak berkenaan dengan pendidikan, dan fahamkan kenapa ada subseksyen 2 dan 3 dalamnnya.
Saudara Anon pun sedar Perkara 153 adalah sangat kontroversial dalam penderafannya, dan telah disifatkan kewujudan fasal tersebut adalah satu bentuk penghinaan dan yang mengaibkan orang Melayu.
Dalam laporan rasmi Working Party bahawa bahawa ‘the Malays themselves would want to remove from the Constitution the slight implied in the protective clause under the heading of Special Position of the Malays’.
Ini dokumen sejarah, Allahyarham Tun Dr Ismail yang mengatakan persoalan kedudukan istimewa orang Melayu hendaklah ditentukan oleh orang Melayu sendiri kerana dengan semakin ramai Melayu yang berpendidikan dan mendapat keyakinan diri, mereka sendiri akan menghapuskan kedudukan istimewa ini. Dr. Ismail percaya kedudukan istimewa adalah satu penghinaan kepada kemampuan orang-orang Melayu.
The Reluctant Politician: Tun Dr. Ismail and His Time, ms 82-83:
“…the leaders of the Alliance realised the practical necessity of giving the Malays a handicap if they were to compete on equal terms with the other races. The only point of controversy was the duration of the ‘special position’ — should there be a time limit or should it be permanent? I made a suggestion which was accepted, that the question be left to the Malays themselves, because I felt that as more and more Malays became educated and gained self-confidence, they themselves would do away with this ‘special position’ because in itself this ‘special position’ is a slur on the ability of the Malays and only to be tolerated because it is necessary as a temporary measure to ensure their survival in the modern competitive world: a world to which only those in the urban areas had been exposed.”
I hate N’Sync at 12:32 pm,
Haha, lagi sekali kamu kata “Lagi-lagi akta hasutan.” Kamu perempuan ke?
Bukan kamu bercakap bahasa Jepun – kamu becakap bahasa Opposition goons, menuduh liar, tak memberi penerangan apa, siapa, di mana, bila, bagaimana, dsbnya.
Songsang pemikiran kamu menbayangkan Perkara 136 boleh mengenepikan Perkara 153. Kau cakap kemasukan university, kau tak ambil kira ke bahawa kaum Cina sudah ada universiti sendiri dan kaum Cina terkaya di negara ini, boleh menghantar anak anak mereka ke university luar negara dan ada sistem membantu mereka yang kurang upaya. Kau tak baca ke UTAR 1-2 tahun lalu tolak RM30 juta yang seorang jutawan Cina mahu sumbangkan untuk biasiswa sbnya? Kau asyik nak lagi, nak lagi, nak lagi ke? Kau tak pedulikan usaha meratakan padang ke? Kau tak mahu padang di sama ratakan ke? Kau tak faham ke rationale for the NEP? Kau jenis yang di panggil ultra kiasu ke?
Jangan lah suruh orang baca Perlembagaan itu betul-betul. Kamu yang.perlu buat demikian. Tafsirkan Perlembagaan dengan betul. Jangan kata sebab ada hak kebebasan, kau boleh mintak apa saja. Pernah dengar bahawa “freedom is never absolute”? Kalau tak faham, kasi tahu.
Sekolah vernakular bertentangan dengan Perkara 152 Perlembagaan. Sekarang wujud hanya di atas bijaksana atau budi pekerti Menteri Pelajaran yang meneruskan pengecualian yang telah di beri dahulu.
Siapa kata “Anon pun sedar Perkara 153 adalah sangat kontroversial dalam penderafannya, dan telah disifatkan kewujudan fasal tersebut adalah satu bentuk penghinaan dan yang mengaibkan orang Melayu.” Haaah, satu BUKTI YANG NYATA KAMU CUBA MASUKKAN KATA KATA ATAU PENDIRIAN KE DALAM MULUT AKU. Apa macam mahu percaya orang macam kau ini? Sampai begitu sekali tabi’at kamu. Itu nyata cara Opposition goons.
Jangan berpegang lah kapada kata kata Tun Dr. Ismail yang kamu sebut itu. Lagi selalu kamu ungkitkan Per 153, lagi keras pendirian dan pegangan kaum Melayu terhadap 153 itu. Percaya lah. Mangkan ramai Melayu nampak kamu semua di DAP mahu ungkit 153. Membawa respon ungkitan kerakyatan kamu pula. Percaya lah.
Don’t talk about “time limit” lah, Mister. Once you say it, the natural reaction of many is why “should it not be permanent?” In fact, they’d be angry and harden their feelings. Because the Constitution does not state a time limit for the Special Position. Just as it does not state a time limit for the citizenship rught. So why try to be funny? Remember, for every stimulus, there’s a reaction. So, why don’t let sleeping dogs lie? They’ve been awakened enough already.
And it’s protected by the Sedition Act – hahaha, kamu mahu cakap “lagi lagi Akta Hasutan” ke?
Dear Anon,
Kenapa, ada impak terhadap perbicaraan kita kalau saya lelaki ke perempuan?
Ini sudah kali ketiga Anon mengatakan saya “membayangkan Perkara 136 boleh mengenepikan Perkara 153”. Saya sudah pelik, Anon faham bahasa Melayu tak? Sudah berkali-kali saya kata “Maksudnya biarpun kita buat perizaban kuota (153), kita tidak membelakangkan prinsip layanan saksama bagi mereka yang berada dalam perkhidmatan awam (136).” Macam mana agaknya saya boleh membantu Anon memahami ayat di atas?
Saya gembira Anon ungkit kemasukan ke universiti. Perlembagaan Malaysia jelas mengatakan kuota yang munasabah hanya boleh ditetapkan jika tempat yang ditawarkan kurang daripada bilangan yang layak. Anon kata orang Cina ada universiti sendiri, UTAR yang baru dibuat 2002 tu ke? Saya tak sangka Anon rasa orang Cina di Malaysia wajib kena ke universiti swasta. Betapa tebalnya semangat ketuanan Anon! Sampai dirasakan orang-orang Cina semuanya kaya-raya dan patut ke institusi pengajian tinggi swasta atau luar negara. Ikut “kemunasabahan” Anon, memang orang Cina di Malaysia tak patut diberi tempat dalam IPTA! Ini Islamik namanya?
Serba sedikit kita berborak, baru kita tahu betapa hinanya kita di kaca mata orang lain.
Saya faham sangat akan matlamat mulia NEP, yang saya tak faham kenapa Anon boleh bertindak menganiaya orang lain atas alasan padang tak rata. Orang miskin itu ada yang Cina, yang India dan lagi ramai yang Bumiputera. Kenapa itu tak disebut? Kenapa saya yang salah tafsir sedangkan apa yang Anon katakan itulah yang melampau, menyuruh anak-anak Cina Malaysia ke luar negara. Sistem bantuan apa yang Anon maksudkan? Tajaan FAMA?
Anon yang beriya-iya membawa kata-kata Tun Tan Siew Sin. Saya tak menyangkalnya. Saya hanya sekadar mengingatkan Tun Dr. Ismail juga ada menyifatkan kedudukan istimewa itu satu bentuk penghinaan. Orang Melayu ramainya waras, dan saya bukan “di DAP”. Saya bukan mempertikaikan kedudukan istimewa orang Melayu dan Bumiputera, saya mempertikaikan pelaksanaannya yang sudah jauh menyimpang pada hari ini. Saya tak sebut time limit, Tun Dr. Ismail dan working group yang menderaf Perlembagaan itu menyebutnya. Masa DEB digubal juga ada ditetapkan time limitnya oleh Kerajaan. Kenapa pula saya yang dipersalahkan?
Anon hanya nak kita berdiam, jangan buat apa-apa. Well, the majority of Malaysians have been sleeping and let sleeping dogs lie. But the lies are getting to be a bit too much and we are all waking up. If pointing out the truth and facts is seditious, then there is something very wrong with this country.
Saya ingin menambah. Shamshul dan rakan-rakan yang sewaktu denganya mungkin rasa halal untuk mengungkit isu kerakyatan apabila kedudukan istimewa orang Melayu dan Bumiputera dipersoalkan. Isunya, yang dipersoalkan bukan kedudukan tersebut tetapi apa yang boleh dianggap munasabah.
Mengertak atau mengancam untuk menarik balik kerakyatan mungkin rasa sedap untuk dizahirkan, tetapi Perlembagaan Malaysia jelas menyatakan bahawa penamatan kerakyatan hanya boleh berlaku dalam keadaan tertentu. Ramai yang suka menggunakan konsep kontrak sosial ikut suka hati mereka tanpa memahami atau menghayati maksud kontrak tersebut. Kontrak itu sudah sign, sudah cop dan mati setem. Boleh dikoyak kontrak itu kalau rasa tak puas hati, tidak bererti kalau dikoyak kontrak itu semua boleh time travel balik ke masa dan keadaan sebelum “dokumen” itu termeterai. Orang Melayu, Cina, India, Kadazan, Iban dan lain-lain telah memerah keringat dan berbakti kepada bumi ini, walaupun pulangannya tidak setimpal. Sudah lebih 50 tahun merdeka kita masih dengar lagu ketuanan Melayu berkumandang, penipuan (secara sengaja atau tidak) maksud kedudukan istimewa dengan hak istimewa, menggunakan alasan kedudukan istimewa untuk menjalankan program, aktiviti dan peraturan (secara bertulis atau tidak) yang bersifat diskriminasi, ultra vires dan menyalahi semangat kesamarataan dalam Perlembagaan. Sehingga ditipu dan diperbodohkan rakyat tentang apa yang termaktub dalam Perkara 153, menyongsangkan interpretasinya dan disuap kepercayaan bahawa sudah menjadi sesuatu yang natural untuk orang Melayu menerima bantuan dan preferences in different aspects of life.
Ini kerajaan Malaysia, bukan kerajaan orang Melayu, ok?
Ini kerajaan Raja-Raja Melayu, pemerintah asal negara ini, yang digabungkan. Saya menyokong ketuanan Raja-Raja Melayu. Kerajaan yang memerintah adalah dibawah payung Yang Dipertuan Agung. Tidakkah anda mengikuti upacara pertabalan tempoh hari? Atas sebab itulah adanya Polis Diraja Malaysia, Kastam Diraja Malaysia, Tentera Laut Diraja Malaysia dan lain-lain.
Kenapa bukan Melayu tak mahu untuk sama-sama dalam perkhidmatan awam, memberikan khidmat bakti kepada negara?
Kenapa bukan Melayu tidak mahu sama-sama mepertahankan kedaulatan negara?
Kenapa Orang Cina tidak mahu anak-anak mereka menerima pelajaran dari orang Melayu dan India?
Apabila semua aspek kehidupan di Malaysia seperti sosial, pendidikan, pentadbiran, pertahanan dan lain-lain dapat digaulkan oleh semua kaum di Malaysia, barulah dapat dibentuk bangsa Malaysia. Tak akan relevan lagi mana-mana keistimewaan. Tapi pendekatan konfrontasi yang diamalkan oleh kaum Cina sekarang akan menambahkan lagi jarak masa penmbentukan Bangsa Malaysia.
Jauhnya lari, Asalnya bukankan anda mempertikaikan nisbah?
Jawapan saya, tak ada kadar nisbah pun bukan Melayu memang tak mahu turut serta dalam mengurus, membangun dan mempertahankan kedaulatan negara. (Tak ada kaitan politik)
BTW, saya bukan pakar Perlembagaan, dan tak perlu untuk selitkan sebegitu banyak perkara perlembagaan.
Semoga kita dapat hidup aman di bumi bertuah ini.
Saya amat menghargai percubaan penyokong ketuanan untuk berbicara secara waras, dan saya rasa mudah sahaja untuk dipatahkan hujah-hujah secara logik.
Ini Kerajaan Persekutuan berasaskan PERLEMBAGAAN MALAYSIA. Tak ada benda atau makhluk lain yang lebih tinggi daripada Perlembagaan Malaysia. Saya pun taat dan terima kuasa Raja-raja Melayu dari segi apa yang diwartakan dalam Perlembagaan. Saya tak puja DYPA dan saya tak puja PM dan saya tak puja orang berasaskan kaum.
Penyokong ketuanan telah bertindak mengatakan bahawa sumbangan khidmat bakti kepada negara hanya boleh dilakukan jika orang bukan Melayu menjadi polis, tentera dan pejawat awam. Saya sedih kerana hanya polis, tentera dan penjawat awam sahaja yang “mempertahankan kedaulatan negara”. syed Bukhary, Nasimuddin dan Nazir Razak itu saya kira ikut pertimbangan penyokong ketuanan itu tak ada sumbangan khidmat bakti kepada negara. Hanya Ketua Polis Negara dan Ketua Setiausaha Negara itu ada sumbangan.
Kenapa penyokong ketuanan bertanya soalan-soalan tak masuk akal seperti “Kenapa bukan Melayu tidak mahu sama-sama mempertahankan kedaulatan negara?”. Kita ada askar bukan Melayu, polis bukan Melayu, tentera bukan Melayu dan penjawat awam bukan Melayu. Oh ya, bilangannya tak ramai, sebabnya kita sama-sama renung-renungkanlah. Dulu masa awal merdeka itu ramai, ramai sampai kena buat kuota nak meramaikan penjawat awam Melayu, sampai sekarang penjawat awam bukan Melayu dah tinggal beberapa kerat sahaia. Kemudian manusia seperti penyokong ketuanan datang bertanya, eh, kenapa tak ramai ye penjawat awam itu bukan Melayu. Kata orang, sudah tahu bertanya pula.
Siapa kata orang Cina tak mahu anak-anak mereka menerima pelajaran daripada orang Melayu dan India? Jangan kaburi DJZ dengan orang Cina di Malaysia. Saya tak kaburi Perkasa dengan orang Melayu di Malaysia, saya pun tak kaburi Ayah Pin dengan orang Melayu di Malaysia. Nasib baik, ibubapa saya menyekolahkan kami adik-beradik di sekolah kebangsaan dan mujur kami dapat melangkah ke dalam IPTA, kalau tak, nanti manusia seperti penyokong ketuanan akan terus mengesyaki rasa dan semangat patriotik kami sekeluarga. Salah ke SRJK(C) atau SRJK(T)? Bukankah sistem sekolah vernakular juga sebahagian daripada sistem pendidikan negara kita yang unik di dunia, sejajar dengan hasrat konsep pendidikan pelbagai bahasa UNESCO?
Penyokong ketuanan hanya nampak “mengurus, membangun dan mempertahankan kedaulatan negara” menerusi kerjaya dalam polis, tentera dan penjawat awam. Saya seorang penjawat awam. Saya sarankan penyokong ketuanan kaji balik kenapa kurang sangat bilangan penjawat awam bukan Melayu. Tak perlu persoalkan samada orang bukan Melayu patriotik atau tidak. Itu cubaan yang meleset untuk justifikasi konsep memper”adik”kan orang bukan Melayu. Di Singapura saya kira situasinya sama, ramai orang bukan Melayu jadi askar, polis dan penjawat awam. Kenapa orang Melayu di Singapura tak patriotik ke?
Silap haribulan, ikut logik penyokong ketuanan, kerja sektor swasta tak patriotik. Saya amat berterima kasih kepada anggota polis, kastam, tentera dan penjawat awam lain di Malaysia termasuk guru dan doktor. Saya rasa yang bekerja dengan sektor awam cukup bermakna pengorbanan mereka. Tetapi ini tidak bermakna kawan-kawan kita di sektor swasta tak patriotik. Takkanlah semua orang makan gaji kerajaan, siapa nak bayar cukai woi? Semua nak hidup atas duit minyak aje ke? Kurang patriotik-kah pekerja Petronas dan Sime Darby?
Ini sah simtom orang yang sudah terlalu lama dibuai doktrin-doktrin sesat politikus negara.
I hate N’Sync at 4:14 am,
Saya tidak faham maksud anda, “yang dipersoalkan bukan kedudukan tersebut tetapi apa yang boleh dianggap munasabah.”
Tahu lah anda bahawa Kedudukan Istimewa Melayu dan Bumiputera Sabah dab Sarawak ti dak boleh di perso’al langsung. Ia di lindung oleh Akta Hasutan. Sesiapa yang menyo’al boleh di dakwa di Mahkamah.
Tambahan pula, mengikut undang undang saintifik timbal balas atau “stimulus and response”, menyo’al Kedudukan Istimewa itu akan membawa respon ungkitan kerakyatan orang yang menyo’al. Bukan “Mengertak atau mengancam”, tapi timbal balas. Hal Perlembagaan Malaysia menyatakan bahawa penamatan kerakyatan hanya boleh berlaku dalam keadaan tertentu itu perkara ke dua. Tetapi dari segi stimulus dan esponse, apabila sahaja Kedudukan Istimewa itu di so’al, kerakyatan yang menyo’al itu ada lah di so’al juga. Ingat lah perkara ini tiap kali anda mahu menyo’alnya.
Anda kudut bila membayangkan bahawa, oleh kerana Kontrak Sosial itu “sudah sign, sudah cop dan mati setem .. tak boleh dikoyak tak boleh time travel balik ke masa dan keadaan sebelum “dokumen” itu termeterai”, maka lamu boleh buat ikut sesuka anda, perso’al dsbnya. Tak kira anda telah memerah keringat dan berbakti kepada bumi ini. Dan siapa kata “pulangannya tidak setimpal”? Apa yang setimpal?
Apa salahnya “Sudah lebih 50 tahun merdeka kita masih dengar lagu ketuanan Melayu berkumandang”, jika di jumandangkan berdasarkan kapada Perlembagaan, bertujuan memperingatkan rakyat kapada menghormati Perlembagaan? Selagi bedasarkan Perlembagaan, tidak tidak ada “penipuan .. maksud kedudukan istimewa dengan hak istimewa”, apa bezanya kedudukan istimewa dengan hak istimewa apabila telah terserkam di Perlembagaan dan tidak boleh di pinda, walau di bincang sekali pun?
Anda berupa “Opposition goon” biasa bila membuat tuduhan liar dengan tidak memberi bukti, justifikasi atau penerangan pun – mengatakan “menggunakan alasan kedudukan istimewa untuk menjalankan program, aktiviti dan peraturan (secara bertulis atau tidak) yang bersifat diskriminasi, ultra vires dan menyalahi semangat kesamarataan dalam Perlembagaan”, dan kata kata anda berikutnya itu.
Ketahui lah anda, yang nama pun membenci, bahawa kerajaan Malaysia yang anda sebut itu ada lah berpandu kapada Perlembagaan negara , dan interpretasinya tidak seperti kamu – Perkara 136 hal sama rata mengenepikan Perkara 153 hal Kedudukan Istimewa, ia itu suatu tafsiran mengarut.
Pelik. Kalau macam itu sama-samalah dengan timbal-balasnya didakwa di mahkamahlah.
Kalau mempersoalkan korupsi dan penyelewengan atas nama Perkara 153 pun tak boleh, nampak sangat rakyat sudah tertipu menyerahkan blank cheque untuk ditindas, dianiaya dan diperbodohkan.
Setimpal itu bermaksud anda mendapat layanan yang saksama untuk sumbangan anda. Anon tanya saja mana-mana penjawat awam bukan Melayu dan tengok ketua-ketua jabatannya, ketua setiausahanya, pengarahnya, naib canselornya, pengetuanya – kenaikan pangkat dan sebagainya, jawab sebagai seorang Muslim dan tanya diri anda, layanannya saksama tak? Adakah kenaikan pangkat ikut keupayaan atau warna kulit?
Perlembagaan tak ada mengatakan kita perlu mewujudkan satu kelas UMNOputra yang diperkaya dengan kontrak kerajaan secara eksklusif dan permit serta lesen yang membolehkan keuntungan atas angin. Yang perlu diikut dalam Perlembagaan tak ikut, yang tak ada dalam Perlembagaan ditokok tambah.
Saya ulangi, YANG WAJIB DIIKUT DALAM PERLEMBAGAAN TAK IKUT, YANG TAK ADA DALAM PERLEMBAGAAN DITOKOK TAMBAH.
Saya tak pernah kata Perkara 136 mengenepikan Perkara 153, itu bodoh namanya. Saya ulangi “Perkara 153 (5) Perkara ini tidaklah mengurangkan peruntukan Perkara 136”. Maksudnya apa? Maksudnya biarpun kita buat perizaban kuota, kita tidak membelakangkan prinsip layanan saksama bagi mereka yang berada dalam perkhidmatan awam.
Saya tak pasti siapa goon, yang buta huruf atau yang mati akal.
Wahai orang yang bernama benci,
Sedar lah kamu bahawa ada Akta Hasutan. Baca lah Akta itu dan tanya lah loyar mana mana yang anda tak faham.
Tidak salah “mempersoalkan korupsi dan penyelewengan atas nama Perkara 153” asalkan anda tidak menyo’alkan 153.
Lagi lagi anda menuduh liar, Mister. Kasi butiran lah tuduhan kamu “mana-mana penjawat awam bukan Melayu dan tengok ketua-ketua jabatannya, ketua setiausahanya, pengarahnya, naib canselornya, pengetuanya – kenaikan pangkat dan sebagainya.” Apa pulak anda mahu memprovoke, “jawab sebagai seorang Muslim dan tanya diri anda, layanannya saksama tak?” Kamu berikan lah butiran apa, siapa, di mana, bila, bagaimana “layanan tak saksama” itu. Jangan lah jadi tidak bijak.
Lagi tuduhan liar – “Perlembagaan tak ada mengatakan kita perlu mewujudkan satu kelas UMNOputra yang diperkaya dengan kontrak kerajaan secara eksklusif dan permit serta lesen yang membolehkan keuntungan atas angin.” Kamu orang ada penyakit ke? Kan patut kamu ambil satu persatu komplen kamu itu, berikan butiran apa, siapa, di mana, bila, bagaimana dll. Tidak melulu saja menomah liar lagi “Yang perlu diikut dalam Perlembagaan tak ikut, yang tak ada dalam Perlembagaan ditokok tambah”, kononnya. Di kata bodoh, anda marah. Maka “tidak bijak” lah alternatifnya.
Saya sekarang sudah nampak kemungkinan tidak ada guna melayan anda juga jika berterusan menuduh liar.Menuduh orang “itu bodoh namanya” pilak. Maka kalu kamu di maki hamun akibat kata kata dan tindakan begitu, anda jangan marah. Akan saya layan lagi secara decorum jika anda tidak terus menuduh liar.
Kamu perlu sedar bahawa perkataan “goon” telah di gunakan melihat kata kata kesat yang kamu gunakan dalam komen komen kamu kapada samshul, dan komen saya kapada komen anda kapada saya pukul 3 pagi tadi ada lah reciprocal bahasa nya. Maka anda di nasihatkan mengelakkan bahasa kesat selepas ini.
Lagi-lagi akta hasutan. Saya tahu, Anon bukan mengertak, hanya sekadar nak mengingatkan. Terima kasih.
Anon mohon bukti kes-kes penyelewengan, penyimpangan dan penyalahan kuasa. Anon tertidur kat mana-mana dan tak baca berita ke? Sepanjang 20 tahun yang lepas Anon kat luar negara, baru balik semalam melalui KLIA?
“While there is no documented evidence of discrimination as a result of affirmative action measures, such as through court cases or as a result of industrial action, many non-Bumiputras informally have alleged being victims of discrimination in employment (recruitment, promotions and recruitment to senior positions). In this regard, one notable case received media attention. A 52-year old person sued the Malacca Municipal Council for unconstitutional discrimination, alleging he was denied a promotion. While the formal allegations concerned age discrimination, the issue of race was informally at issue, inasmuch the individual concerned was of Indian origin.
Malaysian legislation and employment policies formally do not permit discrimination. However, it is not possible to know whether there is de facto discrimination at the level of programme implementation. The Government has acknowledged this possibility by recognizing the necessity of correcting the under-representation of non-Bumiputras in the public sector through the National Development Policy outlines in the OPP2 (1991-2000) mentioned above.”
– pg. 58, Affirmative Action in the Employment of Ethnic Minorities and Persons with Disabilities, ILO, 1997
Key findings CPPS:
Key Findings
1. The Malaysian civil service is not racially representative. Malays are over-represented as they presently comprise 77% of the total civil service establishment (p. 4).
2. Malays predominate in all the three service groups. The higher the service group, the higher its domination by Malays, culminating with 84 percent Malays in the Top Management Group. The elite service, Perkhidmatan Tadbir dan Diplomatik, is 85 percent Malay (pp. 4-6).
3. As with preferential recruitment, low non-Malay application is a proximate cause of low non-Malay representation in the civil service. Lower pay compared to the private sector is a reason for low application in some services. More generally and
importantly, however, non-Malay application is deterred by the perception of unequal chances in recruitment and especially in career advancement (pp. 6-8).
Macam2 lagi laporan antarabangsa dan tempatan yang ada, daripada UNPAN misalannya. Mungkin Anon saja yang tak sedar kot.
Tentang UMNOputra, saya rasa tak perlu pergi jauh pun tahu masalah-masalah dalam pelaksanaan AP, kuota pengajian tinggi, biasiswa dan peratus ekuiti Bumiputera. Sebagai manusia kita kena jujur, jangan buat bodoh apabila buktinya sudah kat depan mata, nanti jadi seperti lembu dicucuk hidung.
Haha, “Lagi-lagi akta hasutan,” kata I hate N’Sync at 11:36 am. Bunyi macam budak kecik saja! Lepas tu menyindir pulak, “Anon kat luar negara, baru balik semalam melalui KLIA?”
Wahai orang yang bernama benci,
Kamu sendiri keluarkan kata kata “While there is no documented evidence of discrimination as a result of affirmative action measures, such as through court cases or as a result of industrial action.” Itu lah kata kata yang menonjol, bukan gitu? Those are the operative words, man.
“many non-Bumiputras informally have alleged being victims of discrimination in employment (recruitment, promotions and recruitment to senior positions). In this regard, one notable case received media attention.” Yes, “informally allege”. But the Pakatan Rakyat goons “publicly allege”. Wild, unsubstantiated allegations, mostly. Like the 52-year old person of the Malacca Municipal Council alleging unconstitutional discrimination, denied a promotion.
They are mere allegations. The report you quoted specifically mention “However, it is not possible to know whether there is de facto discrimination at the level of programme implementation.” Yet “the Government has acknowledged this possibility” – note, possibility only, not a fact – by recognizing the necessity of correcting the under-representation of non-Bumiputras in the public sector through the National Development Policy outlines in the OPP2 (1991-2000) mentioned above.” And that was the situation 1991-2000, old chap.
What you talk about ILO 1997 Key findings. Every thing they say is the Gospel truth? Anything wrong with what Tun Dr Mahathir said about quotas that you quoted in your earlier comment?
All international reports on Malaysia accurate? Going by what Anwar said and going into the US Ambassador what’s his name report to Washington, Malaysia is not even democratic. You tak sedar itu ka? Keep records only of those sounding music to your ears? Forgetting that even the report you quoted here says “no documented evidence”, “informally allege” and the like? Bukan kah itu bukti di depan mata anda sendiri? Report yang anda sendiri sebut, Mister. Jangan cakap tak serupa bikin lah. Nanti jadi “bodoh apabila buktinya sudah kat depan mata, nanti jadi seperti lembu dicucuk hidung” kamu.
How does that sound? Tit for tit, eh? I simply throw back your own words at you, eh?
Dear Anon,
kalau saya petik yang neutral ala ILO tak boleh pakai, petik yang pembangkang pun tak boleh pakai. Yang boleh pakai hanya dari UMNO sahajalah?
Anon otaknya mungkin hardwired, peminat angka dan nombor. Sentimen dan persepsi itu semua palsu. Perception, according to anon, is not only not king but crap. Jadi tak ada masalah-lah, angka penjawat awam bukan Melayu menurun kerana itu tren, tak ada punca. Bilangan bukan Melayu dalam tentera rendah kerana tak patriotik. Eh, macam mana dapat kesimpulan itu daripada angka? Otak Anon terror, boleh nampak punca daripada data deskriptif, boleh dapat mengasingkan faktor tanpa data dan analisa. Minda Anon boleh buat kesimpulan semata-mata daripada taburan mudah. So kita pick otak Anon sekejap, kalau penyertaan orang Melayu dalam sektor swasta itu rendah sebab mereka didiskriminasi bukan (external factor)? Penyertaan orang bukan Melayu dalam sektor awam itu rendah sebab mereka tak patriotik (internal factor)? Boleh minta huraian?
Itulah masalahnya bila berhujah dengan orang yang tak begitu pandai.
I tak tahulah tit for tit, tapi saya tahu budaya tak mempersoalkan sesuatu itu lembu cucuk hidunglah. Anon minta evidence, sebab pengalaman kualitatif penjawat awam bukan Melayu tak boleh terima. Daripada angka perjawatan tentera saja Anon boleh tahu orang bukan Melayu tak patriotik. Ini sudah balik kepada kebebalan asal penyokong ketuanan yang mengaitkan semangat patriotik dengan penyertaan dalam tentera sahaja.
I hate N’Sync at 12:50 pm,
Kamu dah mula mengarut lagi. Bila dah kehabisan hujah, mula personal attack. Pasal otak lah, apa lah. Memang taktik Opposition goons, communists and subversives. Amacam? Ngaku kalah saja lah, kata budak budak main di padang.
“Ramai Bukan Melayu hanya mahu mempertikai sedangkan bila tiba masa untuk mempertahanlkan negara, bukan Melayu lepas tangan pada Melayu, kemudian mempertikai nisbah kaum dalam perkhidmatan awam.”
– Penyokong ketuanan
Dr. Ahmad Zahid cari modal politik, awak pun terikut sama tanpa berfikir panjang. Lebih 50 tahun selepas merdeka manusia seperti penyokong ketuanan masih mahu mempersoalkan jiwa patriotik rakyat Malaysia bukan Melayu. Tanya Brig Jen (B) Datuk Goh Seng Toh, tanya Laksamana (B) K Thanabalasingam, tahu tak siapa Sarjan Chong Yong Chin, tanya politikus-politikus kita berapa orang anak-anak mereka yang masuk tentera.
Penyokong ketuanan sokong Menteri Pertahanan kita untuk mencurigai semangat patriotik orang muda bukan Melayu hari ini. Persoalannya, kenapa? Kenapa zaman mak bapak mereka ramai penjawat awam bukan Melayu dan ramai dalam tentera dan polis tetapi makin lama makin berkurangan? Sebab semangat patriotik dah luntur? Kenapa semangat patriotik itu luntur ye? Tak ada kaitan dengan politik bukan? So, apa yan melunturkan semangat patriotik ini? Hantu? Jembalang? Toyol? Pontianak?
Baca nukilan bekas-bekas tentera bukan Melayu, dengar keluhan mereka dan fahamilah “layanan saksama” itu tak ada, sudah hilang.
Itu memang sebahagian daripada punca utamanya, dan ada sebab-sebab lain seperti kurang galakan dan dorongan keluarga menceburi bidang kerjaya tersebut, tak ada inisiatif komuniti bukan Melayu untuk meramaikan penglibatan golongan muda sebagai tentera dan polis. Saya boleh terima itu semua, tetapi jangan sekali-kali mengatakan kekurangan penglibatan itu sebab orang bukan Melayu tak patriotik. Saya tak kata kurang penglibatan orang Melayu dalam sektor tertentu kerana mereka tak pandai. Peluang, saudara, itu saja yang diperlukan.
I hate N’Sync at 4:28 pm,
Anda tahu kah makna “patriotik” yang anda debat dengan Penyokng Ketuanan itu? Yang sepatutnya anda beri tafsiran anda, mengapa suruh dia tanya Brig Jen itu ini? Mengapa sebut nama 2 orang saja, tidak sebut berapa orang bukan Melayu yang berkhidmat dalam tentera keseluruhannya? Tak tahu kah anda bahawa bagi pihak kaum anda, ada “too many generals and too few soldiers” dalam Tentera? Tak sedar kah anda bahawa orang Cina memang tidak minat masuk Tentera? Itu pun anda tak mahu mengaku ke?
Apa pulak anda suruh KP “tanya politikus-politikus kita berapa orang anak-anak mereka yang masuk tentera”? Apa salahnya dia “sokong Menteri Pertahanan kita untuk mencurigai semangat patriotik orang muda bukan Melayu hari ini”? Siapa kata “zaman mak bapak mereka ramai penjawat awam bukan Melayu dan ramai dalam tentera dan polis tetapi makin lama makin berkurangan”? Boleh beri angka? Boleh sebut dari mana anda petik angka itu? Dari angin? – kata kata saya ini juga timbal balas kapada kata kata yang anda gunakan. Jenis anda ini tahu hanya kata kata seperti yang anda gunakan.
Kenapa suruh “Baca nukilan bekas-bekas tentera bukan Melayu”? Kenapa anda tak beri sedikit sebanyak penerangannya di sini? Kemudianya beri link atau pautannya untuk sesiapa lain yang minat mahu tahu butiran lanjut atau boleh di percayai atau tidak sesiapa yang berkata itu? Malas? Jangan malas. Jangan kata kaum Melayu saja yang malas. Anda nyata malas. Mahu mengata sesuatu, mahu pembaca setuju apa yang anda cakap, tapi suruh pembaca cari bukti pulak? Siapa ajar anda begitu? Bukan kah mengarut itu?
Yang anda perlu hebahkan ia lah apa yang anda kata – “sebab-sebab lain seperti kurang galakan dan dorongan keluarga menceburi bidang kerjaya tersebut, tak ada inisiatif komuniti bukan Melayu untuk meramaikan penglibatan golongan muda sebagai tentera dan polis”. Apa hal pun, anda perlu baca dan fahamkan apa itu ta’at setia (loyalty) kapada negara, apa bezanya dengan patriotism – ada bezanya itu. Seseorang itu mesti ta’at setia kapada negara berdasarkan Perlembagaan dahulu, sebelom boleh di katakan patriotic. Maka, jika tidak menghormati Perlembagaan negara pun, tidak tahu berBahasa Malaysia pun, mana boleh timbul semangat patriotism nya?
Anon ini pelik. Mintak angka, dah beri angka, lepas itu mintak angka lain, kemudian menuduh saya tak beri angka. Sudah diquote bulat-bulat kandungan buku teks, Sekarang saya bagi sejarah bilangan penjawat awam di Malaysia. Nasib baik itu alasan yang digunakan oleh UMNO untuk menambah bilangan penjawat awam Melayu dan rasional untuk Perkara 153, kalau tak nanti saya dituduh anti-Melayu pulak.
From Haque, MS, 2003
With regard to ethnic representation in public sector employment, the Malay special rights or preferential policies have considerable impacts. By 1968, the percentage of Malays reached 86.6% in the elite Malayan Civil Service (with the Chinese and Indians 6.4% each).
From Siddique, NA, 2006
While in theory merit is the basis of public sector employment, in reality it is the quota principle that plays crucial roles. The fact that
under the quota system – a legacy of the colonial times – 80 percent of the positions are reserved for ethnic Malays, candidates from other ethnic groups with better academic background and skills often fail to qualify for public service positions[13]. Thus, the quota system still in force legitimizes the discrimination against ethnic minorities in the public service.
Angka Perjawatan Awam
1971 Melayu (60.8%) Cina (20.2%) India (17.4%) Others (1.6%)
2005 Melayu (77.0%) Cina (9.4%) India (5.1%) Others (8.5%)
2009 Melayu (78.2%) Cina (5.8%) India (4.0%) Others (4.2%)
Benda macam ini tak berlaku overnight, bukan begitu?
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Sudah berpuluh-puluh tahun rakyat Malaysia terima DEB dan pelaksanaannya, kita rasional, kita faham kebimbangan orang Melayu, orang Cina dan kaum-kaum di Malaysia. Tapi kalau sudah nampak jelas sekarang dah kira penyelewengan, penyimpangan, deviation from the intent of the Constitution, Anon masih nak pertahankan, nak menegakkan benang yang basah?
Saya sudah definisikan patriotisme, Anon sahaja yang tak faham. Kalau semua rakyat berusaha ke arah kecemerlangan, menyumbang kepada negara baik dari sektor awam atau swasta, mematuhi undang-undang, bersama-sama dalam krisis dan kesejahteraan, itu sifat patriotik. Macam mana nak tunjuk taat buta sahaja itu patriotik? Jadi pak bisu dan tutup mata, telinga dan mulut walaupun jelas ada yang tak betul itu patriotik? Pandai berbahasa Melayu dan kibar bendera sahaja itu patriotik? Menghormati Perlembagaan bermaksud jangan menyoal apa-apa yang tak betul yang dijalankan atas nama Perkara 153?
Dari implementasi 4:1 dalam JPA, 3:1 untuk kehakiman, hal ehwal luar negara dan kastam, dan tiada kuota untuk perkhidmatan profesional dan teknikal, kita nampak perkadaran sebenar sudah gile berat sebelah. Dulu ramai bukan Melayu dalam Division 1 (sistem lama) sehingga mencecah 57.6% pada 1968, sekarang?
Saya tak mengatakan perkadaran 80% itu datang dari Perlembagaan Malaysia, kenapa saya kena cari buktinya? Anon bodoh ke gila?
Saya tak kata orang Melayu malas, saya kata ada orang yang menipu mengatakan perkadaran itu datangnya daripada Perlembagaan. Saya kata ada orang yang sudah tak sedar pengambilan kakitangan kerajaan mengikut kuota sudah tak dilakukan sekarang. Sudah tak ada mengikut jawapan JPA dalam Parlimen. Saya mengatakan masih ada orang Melayu dibuai mimpi “hak” keistimewaannya untuk mendominasi sektor awam, pendidikan, lesen dan permit kerajaan. Itu interpretasi yang tak betul, yang meleset, yang sesat.
Woooh otrang yang bernama benci,
Sekarang kamu sudah kurang ajar pulak. Menanya aku “bodoh atau gila”. Aku layan sikit lagi kamu:
Angka yang aku minta itu ia lah angka angka bukan Melayu di dalam tentera. Ada kamu beri? Di mana?
Jangan lah sebut angka angka yang di keluarkan dari sesiapa sahaja. Di Internet ada beratus ribu yang menipu.
Kamu yang mahu pembaca percayakan apa yang kamu kata. Atas kamu lah membuktikan apa yang kamu kata itu betul, berikan hujah hujah sokongan, angka angka yang puncanya boleh di percayai. Tapi memang sudah nyata, demikian banyak tuduhan liar dalam komen komen kamu di sini.
Beri link kapada official websites lah, wahai orang yang bernama benci. Supaya pembaca boleh semak betul tidak apa yang kamu kata.
Lanjutan itu, jumlah penyertaan bukan Melayu dalam ATM masih rendah, sebagai contoh mengikut maklumat yang diterima dalam tentera darat bagi pegawai yang keseluruhan berjumlah sekitar 7,000 orang, jumlah kaum Cina sekitar 1.4 peratus, India (2.2 peratus) dan lain-lain (0.4 peratus). Bumiputera pula 96.2 peratus.
Bagi Tentera Laut Diraja Malaysia (TLDM) daripada hampir 2,500 orang pegawai, kaum Cina sekitar 2.7 peratus, India (2.5 peratus) dan lain-lain 2.5 peratus. Bumiputera 93.9 peratus.
Untuk Tentera Udara Diraja Malaysia (TUDM), jumlah kaum Cina yang menjadi pegawai ialah 3.2 peratus, India (2.8 peratus) manakala lain-lain 1.5 peratus. Bumiputera 92.5 peratus.
Bagi lain-lain pangkat, jumlah penyertaan bukan Bumiputera dalam ketiga-tiga cabang itu juga masih rendah. Daripada lebih 100,000 anggota, kaum Cina contohnya, hanya 0.2 peratus dalam tentera darat, 0.3 peratus (tentera laut) dan 0.4 peratus dalam tentera udara.
Kaum India pula 0.7 peratus dalam tentera darat, 1.1 peratus (tentera laut) dan 1.7 peratus (tentera udara) manakala kaum Bumiputera 98.3 peratus dalam tentera darat, 94.1 peratus (tentera laut) dan 93.8 peratus (tentera udara)
– Muhammad Iqbal, 2010
Nak sumber rasmi? Carilah sendiri? Internet kan ada? Saya bagi sumber penulis berbuku pun tak percaya tapi nak percaya laman web rasmi. Hansard Parlimen kira rasmi tak? Suratkhabar arus perdana kira rasmi tak?
Ya, memang cerita-cerita penjawat bukan Melayu yang dibypassed kenaikan pangkatnya tak sah. Kena ada evidens. Saya sangat setuju. Jadi tanyalah, kenapa angka penyertaan penjawat bukan Melayu itu jatuh dan berkurangan? Kan ramai yang mendabik tak ada kaitan dengan politik, so mana buktinya pula? Nak bagi geran buat kajian tak? Profesor sayuran kan ramai?
I hate N’Sync at 11:52 am,
Bahru sekarang kamu nak keluarkan nagka. Tadi kata dah keluarkan bertan. Bukan kah itu juga membohong, memfitnah dan tuduh liar kamu? Macam mana mahu percaya apa kamu kata?
Itu pun angka angka di buku. Dan ada buku seperti yang di tulis dek Kua Ka Song menabalikkan kan sejarah 13 Mei 1969. Macam mana nak percaya semua buku yang di tulis? Maka hanya angka angka dari punca resmi yang di beri linknya juga
yang boleh di percayai bila berkeras berdebat.
So, apa point kamu?
Angka angka itu menunjukkan amat sedikit bukan Melayu di Tentera Malaysia. Patriotik? Sanggup mati mempertahankan negara? Boleh sanggup mati jika Perlembagaan pun tidak di hormati, Bahasa Malaysia pun tak tahu?
Anon kiranya sudah macam badut. Angka asyik diminta, bila dah bagi, cakap tak boleh percaya. Habis, Anon hanya nak mula berbicara apabila sudah mendapat angka yang memihak kepada pendapat Anon?
Yang asyik pusing ke kira angka dan ke kanan angka kemudian tak puas hati kesahihan angka, apa tujuan Anon dan hujah yang di bawa? Sememangnya orang bukan Melayu tak nak kerja makan gaji kerajaan? Atau nak tunjuk kerana penyertaan bukan Melayu dalam kerajaan rendah, nak diselarnya tak patriotik? Bukankah mengikut ketetapan yang “munasabah” disuruh dikuotakan 80% perjawatan untuk orang Melayu, kemudian nak datang balik cakap orang bukan Melayu tak patriotik.
Ini circular logic ke dah gila?
I hate Nsyc,
I never claim Perlembagaan as “racist”. Please do enlighten me and all readers where in my writing that I say Constitution is racist.
what i said is that Constitution takes a middle path. it recognised at times of Independence, the Malay states are already multi racial. These non citizens( Chinese and indians) were then immigrants. Malay rulers agreed to grant them citizenship.
and this is where i mentioned that the granting of citizenships is of scale unmatched by any other countries. such were the generosity of Malay rulers . At a stroke of a pen( or rather 9 pens fo nine Sultans), Negeri Negeri Melayu is no longer exclusively Malays.
IN RETURN, Malays are accorded specific provisions in Constitution. It recognises the history of the land. As such position of Bahasa Melayu, Islam are accorded official status.
also mentioned is Quota for civil servants. One non malay for 4 Malays except in cases where Yang DiPertuan agung is unable to find suitable malays for the particular post( case to case basis).
It is there in the Constitution. Even with specific provisions to Malays, Constitution take initiative to insist that other languages and religions can be practised without fear or favour.
And i also stress that if some non Malay politicians are keen to question whatever specific provisions for Malays, then be ready for Malays to question their citizenship. And it is not going to be pleasant. Whether they can question non Malays citizenship is not material. But surely the result is still not pleasant.
So, the best advice is stop questioning Malay specific provisions
Nobody is accusing “you” as penumpang so to speak. The issue is DAP Is relentless in questioning Malay rights. I just explain why Constitution is the way it is. Why specific provisions for Malays but nor Chinese? Why? Not because it is racist. But because it takes into account the fact that originally it was a Malay kingdom before.
THAT IS THE FACT.
As for InSync, “the kuota ” is MUNASABAH. Do accept in life that nobody will give something so substantive for free. The Malay Rulers agreed to citizenships, effectively reducing malays from being 95% of population to becoming around 55% of the citizens of the land IN ONE DAY.
That is what I termed as level of generosity unmatched by any standards in this planet.
And that generosity surely a source of inspiration and beauty worth appreciated. Certainly that is a not a sign of racism so often thrown at Malays.
Kenapa Shamshul masih nak tipu?
“also mentioned is Quota for civil servants. One non malay for 4 Malays except in cases where Yang DiPertuan agung is unable to find suitable malays for the particular post( case to case basis).”
– Shamshul
Mana buktinya? Jangan cakap kosong saja? Mana bukti dokumen yang mengatakan kuota penjawat awam itu 1 bukan Melayu untuk 4 orang Melayu. 1/4 pun 25%, bukan 20%. Kemudian datang pulak kawan penyokong ketuanan mengatakan orang bukan Melayu tak patriotik pula.
Kenapa Shamshul terus tipu atau tertipu? Tak takut dosa ke? Tak takut api neraka dan akhirat?
Perlembagaan Malaysia bukan gerai pasar di mana mak bapak dan moyang kita tawar-menawar dan jual beli ikan. Perlembagaan Malaysia itu satu dokumen persetujuan semua. Ya, memang kita setuju kedudukan istimewa orang Melayu dan anak negeri diperlukan, tetapi ini tidak bermakna mereka “abang”! Perlembagaan Malaysia mengatakan kadar yang MUNASABAH, bukan kadar ikut suka hati mak bapak aku, engkau atau dia. Tujuannya perlindungan, bukan dominasi. Saya baca Perlembagaan Malaysia rasmi, salinan Shamshul mana yang ada kadar 80% itu ditetapkan secara rasmi? Sahih ke? Ke angka angan-angan saja sebab nampak sedap?
Tak ada sumber ke? Kenapa setiap kali dibangkitkan kelemahan pelaksanaan Perkara 153, ada orang yang hilang akal dan terus mengancam untuk menarik balik kerakyatan? Perkara 153 sudah menjadi alasan untuk penindasan, sudah menjadi penipuan dan rasional untuk menjadikan kroni tertentu sebagai orang kaya, baik melalui AP, lesen atau kontrak monopoli. Kenapa masih bermati-matian menegakkan benang yang basah dan mengulangi angka 80% karut marut?
Saya tak takut kalau Shamshul nak persoalkan kerakyatan saya. Saya tahu hak kerakyatan saya dan ianya tidak terlucut dengan sandiwara politik yang tak kenal fakta dan keadilan.
Thank you En. Shamsul Anuar,
1. “These non citizens( Chinese and indians) were then immigrants. Malay rulers agreed to grant them citizenship, and this is where I mentioned that the granting of citizenships is of scale unmatched by any other countries.such were the generosity. At a stroke of a pen( or rather 9 pens fo nine Sultans), Negeri Negeri Melayu is no longer exclusively Malays.”
2. “Nobody is accusing “you” as penumpang so to speak. The issue is DAP Is relentless in questioning Malay rights. I just explain why Constitution is the way it is. Why specific provisions for Malays but nor Chinese? Why? Not because it is racist. But because it takes into account the fact that originally it was a Malay kingdom before of Malay rulers.”
3. “Do accept in life that nobody will give something so substantive for free. The Malay Rulers agreed to citizenships, effectively reducing Malaysia from being 95% of population to becoming areound 55% of the citizens of the land IN ONE DAY.”
4. “And that generosity surely a source of inspiration and beauty worth appreciated. Certainly that is a not a sign of racism so often thrown at Malays.”
The above factual points are what should the Non-Bumiputera of Malaysia understand and accept it full heartedly before they start another journey of questioning what ever articles enshrined in our Malaysia Constitution.
I will continue to question anything that was claimed to be from the Constitution but there wasn’t any, macam “hak istimewa” orang Melayu dan kuota penjawat awam sebanyak 80%.
“As for InSync, “the kuota ” is MUNASABAH. Do accept in life that nobody will give something so substantive for free. The Malay Rulers agreed to citizenships, effectively reducing malays from being 95% of population to becoming around 55% of the citizens of the land IN ONE DAY.
That is what I termed as level of generosity unmatched by any standards in this planet.”
– Shamshul
Saya pelik. Puzzled would be the right word. What kind of generousity is this when something is given back in return for this “gift”? Shamsul kata orang Melayu murah hati, dan balasan untuk kemurahan hati tersebut ialah kuota penjawat awam sebanyak 80%, and itu is MUNASABAH.
Nasib baik otak aku tak terletup. Katakanlah begini, saya bagi saudara Shamshul kereta Proton Saga, kemudian saya wajibkan anda beli minyak, spare part dan apa-apa sahaja daripada saya pada kadar yang saya tetapkan, katakan 50% lebih mahal daripada harga pasaran. Saya ini pemurah kan?
Actually it was less than 55%, tapi bab angka ini, saya rasa Shamshul lebih pandai.
Jika orang Melayu menyesal “memberikan” kerakyatan dan masih tak puas hati dengan 50 lebih tahun dominasi perjawatan awam, cuba kita berunding macam mana nak lucutkan boleh? Do accept that in life nobody will give something so substantive for free. What are you giving me to give up my citizenship? Lets discuss. Kalau tarik balik macam mana kita boleh collect balik semua gaji penjawat awam yang dikuotakan kepada orang Melayu (termasuk lesen dan AP) sebagai pampasan? Adilkan?
I hate N’Sync, bro instead of going round and round with shamsul , do you mind offering a solution to the problem that you see.
But i need to remind you, solution must acceptable and not minorirty centric, unless you feel the majority has a trouble free life
Dear Kotay,
The solution is simple and straightforward, really.
Just like you said that the Chinese have not fully accepted the institusi raja-raja, bahasa Melayu and special position of the Malays and Bumiputera, the Malays also have felt that the non-Malays got the citizenship too easily and vernacular schools should never have existed. Saya rasa ada yang berpendapat sedemikian, setakat mana ia sentimen majoriti atau minoriti dalam setiap kaum, saya tak pasti.
Kedua-dua belah pihak masih saling tak mempercayai dan tak dapat menerima apa yang termaktub dalam Perlembagaan – each side believing they got a raw deal.
Macam-macam stereotaip masih subur dan segar. Semua peniaga Cina tipu, dan mereka kaya kerana mereka tipu, dan mereka kekal kaya walaupun Kerajaan Malaysia buat kuota lesen, AP dan permit. So tak ada impak affirmative action ala-DEB. So ada yang rasa tak cukup lagi apa yang dibuat oleh DEB, kena sampai tak ada orang kaya Cina dalam senarai Forbes baru mereka rasa puas hati. Kerana tak dirasakan orang Cina itu orang Malaysia, maka apa-apa pencapaian mereka itu bukan pencapaian negara. Bukankah begitu?
Kerana wujud sentimen perkauman yang tebal dikalangan rakyat jelata, maka saya cadangkan kita hapuskan sekolah-sekolah Cina dan Tamil. Kita wajibkan semua rakyat Malaysia lulus SPM BM, kita bagi lesen dan permit perniagaan ikut kuota kaum. Kalau ada yang pandai berniaga dan bisnesnya bagus, kita denda mereka sebab market share itu kena dijaga. Kita hanya benarkan kekayaan orang bukan Melayu cecah 35% daripada kekayaan negara, yang lain itu kita rampas dan jadikan harta kerajaan. Kita ikut kuota dalam segala-galanya, Melayu jadi PM untuk 6 tahun, Cina 3 tahun dan India 1 tahun, kemudian dalam tahun-tahun tertentu kita buat loteri untuk Bumiputera lain. Parlimen juga begitu, kena 65% MP Melayu dan Bumiputera, 25% MP Cina, 3% MP India dan 2% MP lain-lain bangsa. Kita bubarkan semua parti-parti dalam BN dan PR dan kita buat 2 parti gabungan, kedua-duanya berasaskan keahlian semua kaum. Apabila pilihanraya parti, kita wajibkan pemilihan 6 perwakilan Melayu dan Bumiputera, 3 perwakilan Cina, 1 perwakilan India dan 1 perwakilan lain-lain dalam AJK Tertinggi. Setiap syarikat swasta atau agensi awam kena menggaji stafnya mengikut nisbah yang sama, semua kena nisbah berkadaran, boleh tak? Setiap sekolah pun macam itu, kena ikut nisbah.
Majoriti boleh terima cadangan ini? Lantaklah minoriti, mereka bukannya boleh buat apa-apa, kena ikut aje kan?
Yang saya risau, nanti ada yang persoalkan kadarnya dan cadangkan supaya Melayu dan Bumiputera dapat 80%. Kalau macam tu, apa jadi ye?
Kotay, secara jujur saya katakan, penyelesaiannya mudah, kita cari penyelesaian bukan bersandarkan ras, tetapi fahami apa punca dan pokok pangkal masalah kita. Kalau ramai orang Melayu miskin, kita kena buat program basmi kemiskinan untuk semua rakyat Malaysia, dan Melayu yang rata-ratanya miskin akan dapat manfaat. Kalau ramai orang Melayu tak dapat peluang berniaga, kita kena buat program keusahawanan untuk semua rakyat Malaysia, dan Melayu yang rata-ratanya nak berniaga akan dapat manfaat. Kalau ramai peniaga Cina yang menyalahi undang-undang, ketatkan undang-undang dan penguatkuasaannya, dan peniaga Cina yang dianggap tak jujur akan juga ditangkap. Jangan stereotaip.
Just like how the Swirtzerland having their Swiss Minaret Referendum in 2009, why don’t we Malaysian resolve this issues democratically, civil and just.
Let us have a Bangsa Malaysia Referendum 2012 (or maybe in 2013). The referendum will be on:
1. Abolishment of all other language than Bahasa Malaysia in public sphere (Non-Electronic & Electronic such as Advertisements, Road & Public Signages, Newspapers, Television, Radio etc..);
2. Only Bahasa Malaysia or English Language are allowed in our Education System from Kindergarten up to Higher Learning Institution (Private and Public Colleges, Universities);
3. All Malaysian Citizen 18 years and above are required to take a Bahasa Malaysia proficiency tests both in Verbal and Writing.
You can always add what other topic(s) that the referendum will be on, it is not exhaustive.
From then on, let us have the Bangsa Malaysia Referendum 2012/2013 and the Malaysian Citizen vote. Let us resolve all these issuues once and for all in democratically, civil and just manner.
Whichever topics win the majority votes will be passed as a legal act in parliament without any parlimentary votings and to be implemented immediatly.
Forever hold your peace as the majority has spoken.
What say you?
Itulah sebabnya saya kata Mat Jebat dah hilang modal. Buat referendum tentang 3 perkara yang diharapkan akan disokong oleh majoriti secara mudah.
Kalau senang macam itu kenapa referendum itu agaknya tak dibuat dari dulu lagi? Mat Jebat tak faham konsep perlindungan minoriti atau pemahaman konsep demokrasi anda berada di paras the majority rules sahaja? Kalau Mat Jebat mampu berbicara tentang kekalutan sistem perwakilan menerusi elit kaum, sekurang-kurangnya boleh lagi di bawa perbincangan kita. Ini tidak, dilontarkannya cadangan jom kita buat referendum, kerana yakin akan kuasa dan bilangan majoriti.
Kalau macam itu buat apa undi Parlimen dan sistem demokrasi berperlembagaan, semua ikut mob-rule ajelah.
Saudara yang bencikan N’sync,
Saya tidak pertikai patriotisme mereka yang bukan bekerja dalam perkhidmatan awam. Saya maksudkan bahawa mereka yang mempertahankan negara adalah lebih tinggi semangat patriotismanya. Takkan nak samakan patriotisme seorang tentera yang menjaga sempadan dengan seorang…… peniaga misalnya. Para peniaga adalah kapitalis yang mencari kekayaan untuk diri mereka sendiri. Kalau tak ada peruntukan undang-undang mereka pun tak nak bayar cukai. Dimanakah patrotiknya para peniaga yang menyorokkan bekalan gula dan minyak masak kerana nak naikkan harga? Hari ini naik harga, esok bekalan terus pulih.
Sekiranya saudara hanya mengkaji dari sudut patriotisma sahaja (saya tak sebut pun dalam posting lalu) memanglah hujah saudara meyakinkan. Tapi dari sudut pergaulan dengan orang-orang Melayu dalam perkhimatan pula? Takkan sama pergaulan kita sekali sekala bertemu dan menyapa, dengan pergaulan kita hari-hari makan bersama, dan berjuang pertahankan negara yang sama.
Isu layanan saksama? Adakah bukan Melayu tidak menerima gaji dan elaun yang sama dengan Melayu? Adakah peluang kenaikan pangkat bukan Melayu disekat? Saya bayangkan apabila orang bukan Melayu tidak ramai dalam perkhidmatan, maka tentulah peluang kenaikan pangkat mereka bertambah.
Buat masa ini, kepimpinan masyarakat Cina lebih condong kepada Dap. Wakil Cina paling ramai dari Dap. Apabila parti itu menyokong dan menyertai himpunan Dong Zong, maknanya kepimpinan Cina berfikiran selari dengan Dong Zong. Atau saudara nak kata Dap tak mewakili majoriti masyarakat Cina? Adakah saya perlu mengatakan mereka patriotik apabila wakil kerajaan yang datang disambut dengan pukulan dan cercaan, sedangkan dia sebahagian dari kerajaan yang memerintah? Kalau perkara yang sama diperlakukan kepada wakil kerajaan kita di negara luar, itu perisytharan perang. Perlukan saya julang patriotisme mereka yang menggelar kaum Cina dalam perkhidmatan PDRM sebagai “anjing kerajaan”?
Saya bersyukur kepimpinan negara yang ada sekarang memandang serius pergaulan antara kaum. Program PLKN yang dijalankan banyak membantu hubungan antara kaum apabila mereka sama-sama duduk selama 3 bulan dalam sebuah masyarakat kecil yang berdisiplin. Saya cukup terharu apabila melihat ketiga-tiga bangsa utama di Malaysia dapat bersatu dalam permainan, khidmat masyarakat dan pergaulan dengan masyarakat luar, apabila tempat saya menerima kunjungan para pelatih PLKN yang hampir tamat kursus. Inilah yang saya maksudkan ‘ke arah pembentukan Bangsa Malaysia’.
Semoga kita dapat hidup aman di bumi bertuah ini
Kotay saya jawab kemudian.
Mat Jebat, bila hilang modal debat atau hujah2 yg munasabah, boleh fall back on kuasa majoriti bukan? Inilah tahap pemahaman terhadap demokrasi kita, bukan begitu? Buatlah referendum itu semua, masuklah sekali soal kerakyatan, ujian patriotisme dan wajibkanlah orang bukan Melayu pakai lencana khas di baju mereka. Buatlah referendum2 itu, saya tak ada apa2 halangan. Dipersilakan.
Kpd penyokong ketuanan, yg cuba bangkitkan pula soal pengkhianatan negara (fuiyoh, sudah masuk bab pembelot negara dari kurang patriotik), terima kasih kerana mengingatkan ada peniaga yang menipu. Apakah tak ada undang2 dalam negara ini untuk menghukum penjenayah seumpama ini. Inikah alasan penyokong ketuanan, kerana tak dapat tangkap penjenayah maka dihukum bangsanya? Oh, ini pendekatan Islamik ye?
Setiap kerjaya ada penanda arasnya. Peniaga yang berjaya kena dapat keuntungan, bukan lingkup bisnes mintak bailout kerajaan. Doktor yang berjaya kena pandai mengubat, penjawat awam yang berjaya perlu menunaikan tanggungjawabnya dalam agensi berkaitan. Kejayaan masing-masing merupakan kejayaan negara, dan kecemerlangan individu itu kecemerlangan negara, tak kiralah dia petani, jurutera atau polis.
Ke hadapan “I hate N’Sync”,
Saya hilang modal untuk berdebat dengan hujah-hujah munasabah? Bukan kah En. Shamsul Anuar telah berdebat dengan anda dan mengemukakan fakta-fakta, mengapa perlu saya berhujah dengan anda sedang kan fakta-fakta yang dikemukakan oleh saudara Shamsul Anuar pun anda tidak dapat terima dengan fikiran yang terbuka, hati yang tenang dan menjawab dengan fakta-fakta juga.
Apakah salah jika saya cadangkan Referendum bersamaan dengan yang apa dilakukan oleh negara Switzerland? Switzerland ialah sebuah negara barat yang demokratik, maju, rakyat-rakyat Switzerland berpendapatan kapita yang tinggi dan kerajaan yang mempraktikkan juga keperluan-keperluan sosialis (Kesihatan, pelajaran dsb..) untuk rakyat.
DAP, PKR, PAS dan Ambiga pasti setuju bahawa Switzerland adalah satu contoh model negara berpaksikan demokrasi dan kapitalis yang patut kita contohi.
Adakah proses demokrasi seperti Referendum yang dapat memecahkan kebuntuan, perselisihan pendapat dan percakaran politik ini dari berterusan tanpa titik noktah ini tidak baik?
Kenapakah anda menyatakan “wajibkan orang bukan Melayu memakai lencana khas”? Seperti kaum yahudi di zaman nazi Hitler? Ataupun anda maksudkan rakyat Malaysia yang tidak diklasifikasikan sebagai “Bumiputera”? Bukan kah lebih baik perkataan Bumiputera kita guna pakai? Kerana bukan hanya Melayu adalah bumiputera, Iban, Kadazan, Dusun, Senoi dan banyak kaum-kaum lagi adalah “Bumiputera” di Malaysia. Mengapa anda cadangkan cadangan sedemikian?
Orang cakap lain, dia cakap lain. Kamu letak perkataan dalam mulut orang, kemudian cerita dustalah, nabi lah, apa ni?
Dari awal saya sebut ‘sama-sama’, anda sebut patriotisme.
Saya sebut patriotisme, anda sebut pengkianatan
Saya sebut sorok barang, anda sebut penipuan
Saya sebut Dap, anda sebut hukum bangsa
Anda tak jawab soalan tapi pusing menyalahkan saya. Apa ni!!!
Awal-awal kata nak “perbincangan baik” tapi cara macam Dap!
Sudahlah!! Teruskanlah hidup anda dengan sikap begitu. I’m done talking to a spinner.
wah sudah gua penat nak tido, nak layan bini , pagi- pagi nak kerja da ,good nite
sweet dreams malaysia!
Dear Penyokong Ketuanan,
Saya ulangi ayat berikut:
“Adakah peluang kenaikan pangkat bukan Melayu disekat? Saya bayangkan apabila orang bukan Melayu tidak ramai dalam perkhidmatan, maka tentulah peluang kenaikan pangkat mereka bertambah.”
– Penyokong Ketuanan
Awak tanyalah penjawat awam bukan Melayu. Mengikut logik anda, kenaikan pangkat orang bukan Melayu dalam perkhidmatan awam ada kaitannya dengan bilangan mereka yang kecil. Saudara sendiri tahu apa yang dimaksudkan dengan ayat ini.
Kenapa terasa Penyokong Ketuanan? Saya tak panggil awak penipu atau pendusta, itu manusia lain.Awak bagi contoh penjenayah dan mengatakan mereka kurang patriotik, DOH! Kalau polis, tentera atau penjawat awam pun, kalau mereka tipu, rasuah dan menyeleweng, semuanya dah tak patriotik lah. Adoi, bengang tahap gaban.
Anda bertanya saya samada DAP mewakili majoriti orang Cina, saya rasa sama jua soalannya samada UMNO mewakili majoriti orang Melayu. Kalau orang DAP bodoh sakan maka bodohlah orang Cina, kalau orang UMNO perasuah maka orang Melayulah yang menghalalkan perangai pecah amanah. Adakah itu maksud saudara?
Saudara dan Shamshul asyik mengatakan bahawa DAP memusuhi orang Melayu, membawa orang Cina memusuhi orang Melayu, padahal yang jelas dan nyata itu DAP memusuhi UMNO. Kerana ramai manusia tak dapat nak bezakan antara parti dan komuniti, kita terasa. Saya tak dok risau pun DAP itu bodoh sakan, sebab setiap percaturan yang silap itu akan menjadi senjata UMNO. Saya hanya dok risau rakyat jelata yang membuat perhitungan DAP = Cina, UMNO = Melayu. Dia orang tengah pancing undi sayang, mereka bersandiwara, bersilat dan bertaichi, orang bawahan yang bebal saja akan bawa ke medan pertelingkahan di jalanraya dan blog-blog seperti Helen. Mereka di atas semua tengah gelak dan geli hati melihat kebodohan rakyat saling bertelagah sementara mereka sibuk meluluskan projek-projek “pembangunan” kepada kroni-kroni, melesapkan duit rakyat dan mencari lubang untuk mengisi kocek mereka.
Dear I hate N’Sync,
About your statement “orang bawahan yang bebal saja akan bawa ke medan pertelingkahan di jalanraya dan blog-blog seperti Helen. Mereka di atas semua tengah gelak dan geli hati melihat kebodohan rakyat saling bertelagah …”
One important point needs to be stressed, i.e. your view that “sementara mereka [politikus] sibuk meluluskan projek-projek ‘pembangunan’ kepada kroni-kroni, melesapkan duit rakyat dan mencari lubang untuk mengisi kocek mereka”…
Pakatan is all the time accusing BN, particularly Umno, of being guilty of the charges, i.e. cronyism, leakages, rent-seeking, daylight robbery.
Probably the BN supporters themselves are aware & acknowledge that all these are happening.
The BIG difference is that it does not occur to the Pakatan supporters that their beloved leaders are also guilty of cronyism, leakages & rent-seeking. And quite capable of daylight robbery should the opportunity present itself.
Furthermore, the Pakatan supporters will adamantly refuse to entertain the idea that their idols & icons are capable of all of the above. Even if you furnish incontrovertible proof, they won’t believe. And not only will they refuse to believe, they will shoot the messenger.
Memandangkan para penyokong pembangkang begitu taksub kepada pemimpin-pemimpin mereka & juga menganggap dewa-dewa Pakatan yang turun dari kayangan itu maksum, maka seseorang pengikut tegar akan sedia ‘menggadai nyawa’ serta bermatian-matian mempertahankan Dear Leaders tersebut.
These followers will form a protective wall around the Dear Leader so that he is untouchable. (One real-life example is the human chain formed by the Chinese youths during the anti-Lynas demo at the Esplanade to protect LGE).
Back to your statement about “orang bawahan yang bebal saja akan bawa ke medan pertelingkahan di jalanraya dan blog-blog …”.
The protective wall (orang bawahan) comprising the foot soldiers that is surrounding the Dear Leader must be breached, otherwise the man sitting at the apex will remain untouchable.
The stronger (more devoted, more fanatical) this human wall is, the more & the longer the Dear Leader remains safe within the protective shield. And he will remain cozily sitting at the top enjoying the spoils & like you say, “laughing at the stupidity of the faithful devotees below”.
The only difference is that some (meaning those belonging to one particular camp, and we all know which one it is) of those below still fail to realise they’re being suckered.
We do not want anyone in a position of power to get too comfortable, do we?
helen,
1) u r trying to take politics out of a politician.
2) if u believe in democracy and rule of law, and to establish the same values in the long term, we got to make a choice.
3) i suspect u misread the ‘human wall’, it is to uphold a conviction and value, not to protect a leader. the moment the leader don’t share their value, the ‘human wall’ would collapse.
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HuaYong,
I saw the human wall as formed by DAPsters. From what we’ve seen so far of DAPster behaviour, they place the hero worship of Dear Leader (at the same time, hatred of DL’s enemies) and protective loyalty to The Party above any desire to restructure the system. That’s why they were angry at RPK for alleging corruption in S’gor. They’re not interested if there was really corruption or not under Pakatan in S’gor.
Helen
I hate Nsync,
As i said earlier, it is there in the constitution. Go and check yourself if you do not believe it.
I thought my explanation is simple enough. Constitution was drafted after taking in account suggestions by various parties such as political parties, prominent personalities, business community and not forgetting Malay royalty.
Ok. Let us put it in crude language. Non malays( primarily Chinese and Indians) were then immigrants. That is the status. The citizens at that particular times are Malays and orang Asli.
Constitution is a sort of bargain. Non malays are concern about their fate in a new nation, free of British officialdom. Malays were equally concern that their legitimate interests are protected as they realize that the states will change from exclusively Malays to multiracial.
Malay Rulers were aware that they their royal positions will only be respected by them acceding to Malay aspiration for Independence.
And the British Govt was so particular about graceful exit. And it also wanted European business interests respected.
I kept saying “…level of generosity unmatched….”
Why? Because that is the truth. please enlighten me of any other country that granted more than 1 million citizenships at a stroke of a pen. The canswer is NONE. No country ever gave that massive citizenships in a day that substantially change the demography from exclusively one race to Multi Racial.
That is the thing that “I hate Nsync” fails to see or appreciate.
“…HALAL UNTUK UNGKIT KERAKYATAN>>>”
Precisely. That will be the response from Malays should you or non Malay community tolerates ( meaning keeping quiet and interpreted as giving tacit approval to) DAP relentless in waging war against the Malays.
actually the question should be for you to answer. Do you think it is halal to challenge Malay specific provisions while expecting the provisions for non Malays( in term of citizenship) not be questioned?
Upset? As I said earlier, it is not going to be pleasant.
And analogy that you give ( Proton Saga) is ridiculous. Constitution cant be compared to buying spare part or that kind of things.
As for I hate Nsync calling me “penipu”, now my dear where is your mannerism. Strange is it not. You are able to list down clauses in perlembagaan but refuse to read the detail. The Quota 80% is there.
I think I have to use English since Shamshul cannot understand Malay.
Oi, I am not questioning the special position of the Malays. I am questioning your assertion that the quota is set at 80% and you kept saying that it was mentioned in the Constitution. Don’t be daft, I have gone through the Constitution of Malaysia all these years and I never saw it, which Constitution are you referring to? Constitution mak bapak kau?
You are saying that the Chinese are waging war against the Malays. I don’t know who are the generals and who are the soldiers. Imaginary wars, I am not very good at.
I never worry about unpleasantries, I only worry about stupidity. Things can change if people can be taught about their mistakes and fallacies. Things can’t change if people cannot admit their errors.
Shamshul is unable to provide a single shred of evidence of the 80% so I will paste the entire Perkara 153 here. Lets find the 80%.
Bodoh nak mampus hang ni. Jom ramai-ramai pi baca:
Perkara 153. Perizaban kuota berkenaan dengan perkhidmatan, permit, dsb. bagi orang Melayu dan anak negeri mana-mana antara Negeri Sabah dan Sarawak.
(1) Menjadi tanggungjawab Yang di-Pertuan Agong untuk melindungi kedudukan istimewa orang Melayu dan anak negeri mana-mana antara Negeri Sabah dan Sarawak dan kepentingan sah kaum-kaum lain mengikut peruntukan Perkara ini.
(2) Walau apa pun apa-apa jua dalam Perlembagaan ini, tetapi tertakluk kepada peruntukan Perkara 40 dan peruntukan Perkara ini, Yang di-Pertuan Agong hendaklah menjalankan fungsinya di bawah Perlembagaan ini dan undang-undang persekutuan mengikut apa-apa cara yang perlu untuk meindungi kedudukan istimewa orang Melayu dan anak negeri mana-mana antara Negeri Sabah dan Sarawak dan untuk memastikan perizaban bagi orang Melayu dan anak negeri mana-mana antara Negeri Sabah dan Sarawak apa-apa perkadaran yang difikirkan munasabah oleh Yang di-Pertuan Agong daripada jawatan dalam perkhidmatan awam (selain perkhidmatan awam sesuatu Negeri) dan daripada biasiswa, danasiswa dan keistimewaan pendidikan atau latihan yang seumpamanya atau kemudahan khas lain yang diberikan atau diadakan oleh Kerajaan Persekutuan dan, apabila apa-apa permit atau lesen dikehendaki oleh undang-undang persekutuan bagi mengendalikan apa-apa pertukangan atau perniagaan, maka, tertakluk kepada peruntukan undang-undang itu dan Perkara ini, daripada permit dan lesen itu.
(3) Yang di-Pertuan Agong boleh, bagi memastikan, mengikut Fasal (2), perizaban bagi orang Melayu dan anak negeri mana-mana antara Negeri Sabah dan Sarawak jawatan-jawatan dalam perkhidmatan awam dan biasiswa, danasiswa dan keistimewaan pendidikan atau latihan atau kemudahan khas lain, memberikan apa-apa arahan am yang dikehendaki bagi maksud itu kepada mana-mana Suruhanjaya yang baginya Bahagian X terpakai atau kepada mana-mana pihak berkuasa yang dipertanggungkan dengan tanggungjawab bagi pemberian biasiswa, danasiswa atau keistimewaan pendidikan atau latihan atau kemudahan khas lain itu; dan Suruhanjaya atau pihak berkuasa itu hendaklah mematuhi arahan itu dengan sewajarnya.
(4) Pada menjalankan fungsinya di bawah Perlembagaan ini dan undang-undang persekutuan mengikut Fasal (1) hingga (3) Yang di-Pertuan Agong tidak boleh melucutkan mana-mana orang daripada apa-apa jawatan awam yang dipegang olehnya atau daripada terus mendapat biasiswa, danasiswa atau keistimewaan pendidikan atau latihan atau kemudahan khas lain yang dinikmati olehnya.
(5) Perkara ini tidaklah mengurangkan peruntukan Perkara 136.
(6) Jika menurut undang-undang persekutuan yang sedia ada suatu permit atau lesen dikehendaki bagi mengendalikan apa-apa pertukangan atau perniagaan, maka Yang di-Pertuan Agong boleh menjalankan fungsinya di bawah undang-undang itu mengikut apa-apa cara, atau memberikan apa-apa arahan am kepada mana-mana pihak berkuasa yang dipertanggungkan di bawah undang-undang itu dengan pemberian permit atau lesen itu, sebagaimana yang dikehendaki untuk memastikan perizaban apa-apa perkadaran daripada permit atau lesen itu bagi orang Melayu dan anak negeri mana-mana antara Negeri Sabah dan Sarawak sebagaimana yang difikirkan munasabah oleh Yang di-Pertuan Agong; dan pihak berkuasa itu hendaklaah mematuhi arahan itu dengan sewajarnya.
(7) Tiada apa-apa jua dalam Perkara ini boleh berkuat kuasa untuk melucutkan atau memberi kuasa supaya dilucutkan apa-apa hak, keistimewaan, permit atau lesen mana-mana orang, yang terakru kepada orang itu atau yang dinikmati atau dipegang oleh orang itu atau untuk memberi kuasa untuk menolak pembaharuan mana-mana permit atau lesen mana-mana orang atau untuk menolak pemberian apa-apa permit atau lesen kepada waris, pengganti atau penerima serah hak seseorang jika pembaharuan atau pemberian itu mungkin semunasabahnya dijangkakan mengikut perjalanan biasa keadaan.
(8) Walau apa pun apa-apa jua dalam Perlembagaan ini, jika menurut mana-mana undang-undang persekutuan apa-apa permit atau lesen dikehendaki bagi mengendalikan apa-apa pertukangan atau perniagaan, maka undang-undang itu boleh membuat peruntukan bagi perizaban apa-apa perkadaran daripada permit atau lesen itu bagi orang Melayu dan anak negeri mana-mana antara Negeri Sabah dan Sarawak; tetapi tiada undang-undang sedemikian boleh, bagi maksud memastikan perizaban itu—
(a) melucutkan atau memberi kuasa supaya dilucutkan apa-apa hak, keistimewaan, permit atau lesen mana-mana orang, yang terakru kepada orang itu atau yang dinikmati atau dipegang oleh orang itu; atau
(b) memberi kuasa untuk menolak pembaharuan mana-mana permit atau lesen mana-manaa orang atau untuk menolak pemberian apa-apa permit atau lesen kepada waris, pengganti atau penerima serah hak mana-mana orang jika pembaharuan atau pemberian itu mengikut peruntukan yang lain dalam undang-undang itu mungkin semunasabahnya dijangkakan mengikut perjalanan biasa keadaan, atau menghalang mana-mana orang daripada memindahkan hakmilik bersama dengan perniagaannya apa-apa lesen yang boleh dipindahkan hakmiliknya untuk mengendalikan perniagaan itu; atau
(c) jika tiada permit atau lesen dahuluya dikehendaki bagi mengendalikan pertukangan atau perniagaan itu, memberi kuasa untuk menolak pemberian permit atau lesen kepada mana-mana orang bagi mengendalikan apa-apa pertukangan atau perniagaan yang telah dijalankan olehnya secara bona fide sebaik sebelum undang-undang itu mula berkuat kuasa, atau memberi kuasa untuk menolak pembaharuan kemudiannya mana-mana permit atau lesen mana-mana orang, atau untuk menolak pemberian mana-mana permit atau lesen sedemikian kepada waris, pengganti atau penerima serah hak mana-mana orang itu jika, mengikut peruntukan yang lain dalam undang-undang itu, pembaharuan atau pemberian itu mungkin semunasabahnya dijangkakan mengikut perjalanan biasa keadaan.
(8A) Walau apa pun apa-apa jua dalam Perlembagaan ini, jika di dalam mana-mana Universiti, Kolej dan institusi pendidikan lain yang memberikan pendidikan selepas Malaysian Certificate of Education atau yang setaraf dengannya, bilangan tempat yang ditawarkan oleh pihak berkuasa yang bertanggungjawab bagi pengurusan Universiti, Kolej atau institusi pendidikan itu kepada calon-calon bagi apa-apa kursus pengajian adalah kurang daripada bilangan calon yang layak mendapat tempat-tempat itu, maka adalah sah bagi Yang di-Pertuan Agong menurut kuasa Perkara ini memberikan apa-apa arahan yang perlu kepada pihak berkuasa itu untuk memastikan perizaban apa-apa perkadaran daripada tempat-tempat itu bagi orang Melayu dan anak negeri mana-mana antara Negeri Sabah dan Sarawak sebagaimana yang difikirkan munasabah oleh Yang di-Pertuan Agong; dan pihak berkuasa itu hendaklah mematuhi arahan itu dengan sewajarnya.
(9) Tiada apa-apa jua dalam Perkara ini boleh memberi Parlimen kuasa untuk menyekat perniagaan atau pertukangan semata-mata bagi maksud perizaban bagi orang Melayu dan anak negeri mana-mana antara Negeri Sabah dan Sarawak.
(9A) Dalam Perkara ini ungkapan “anak negeri” berhubung dengan Negeri Sabah atau Sarawak hendaklah mempunyai erti yang diberikan kepadanya dalam Perkara 161A.
(10) Perlembagaan Negeri yang ber-Raja boleh membuat peruntukan yang bersamaan (dengan ubah suaian yang perlu) dengan peruntukan Perkara ini.
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Selagi orang Melayu nak mendabik dada mereka tuan rumah itu dan ini, jangan nak harap orang bukan Melayu boleh terima statusnya sebagai penumpang, adik atau pendatang. Hak kesamarataan dalam Perkara 8 senang saja diabaikan. Saya lahir di Malaysia dan ini negara saya, orang lain yang mempersoal kerakyatan saya can go fly a kite. I accept the special position of the Malays and the other sons of the soil, but it is not acceptable for all the abuse and corruption made under the excuse of Article 153.
I call a spade a spade, a liar is a person who make an untrue assertion.
I hate Nsync,
Check pmr.penerangan.gov.my on my statement that 80% of civil servants are to be malays.
I don’t have to “believe” anything, facts are facts. I went through the website, it took ages to load and I found no such thing.
Bila nak bertaubat kerana cakap bohong? Lama-lama taulah apa akan terjadi.
Shamsul , awak kena cari bukti baru n”sync terima bukti tu.
Saya rasa pernah baca tapi tak ingat dimana tentang quota dalam pentakbiran awam, tapi asaya tak boleh confirm jumlah yang awak katakan.
Takpa, kita berdebat secara beradap di sini dia mintak bukti , releks kita cari dulu.
Shamshul,
It’s understandable for I-hate-N’sync to complain about the website being really slow to upload.
Geez. This is the Info Ministry & so hard to login & then after that once in, again so s-l-o-w.
The experience with this gomen site is like dialling a Help line where you’re told by a woman’s automated voice (how come it’s never a man’s voice?) to Press ‘1’ for xyz, Press ‘2’ for abc & such a long wait in between each.
Perhaps you could help us out by giving a precise url so that we can go direct to the relevant page to check on the 80% quota? Thanks
I Hate Nsync,
You do not have to believe things that you do not want to. But the truth prevails. Why dont you “relook” again. It is there for all to see.
Just because you “dont see” or “refuse to see” does not mean it is not there.
Anyway, what a pathetic attitude you have for refusing to verify thing you do not want to believe.
And all of us ( kalau dah islam ) must repent. even Prophet does that. But i stand by what i said as it is the truth eventhough you or DAP cant stomach it.
IO hate Nsync,
I never once written that I am claiming Malays as “tuan” this or “tuan” that.
All I said that DAP is waging against Malays. The result will eventually bring Malays and Chinese on collision course. Tell me where in my argument I am saying Chinese wages war against Malays.
I am not against Chinese. I work in chinese based organisation.
But I am not surprise. For malays to state or quote Constitution that spells their positions will be often be treated as being racist by people like you.
I never said I tolerate abuse or corruption. My point is that DAP challenges Malay rights that are enshrined in Constitution. Criticizing govt of the day is one thing. Questioning a race right will eventually bring response.
As for the word “pendatang”, maybe you can enlighten the august friends of your( especially in DAP) to stop behaving like pendatang.
I never said “menyesal” beri kewarganegaraan. Just sad about a group of Chinese politicians that insist Chinese on being separated from other Malaysians.
A lot of assumptions that you made really surprise me. I mean you can still can refuse to accept the truth even when I supply you the website. Wow. Talk about ego, bigger than Summer Palace.
You accused people( malays) of “menyesal” granting citizenship. You ridiculed an act of unparalelled generosity of Malay rulers in granting citizenship you slandered by accusing me of claiming Malays crying for the wanting to be “tuan’
Helen is right. Even she, being a Chinese, was ridiculed for criticizing DAP.
So, i am not surprise as I am a Malay, criticizing DAP here. People will call me liar for showing them( the website) to support my case.
Don’t worry Shamshul, I don’t consider you a racist. I use the Constitution very often myself. I consider you misinformed. Until there is any evidence to show that the perkadaran yang munasabah is 80% Malays in penjawat awam, I will stop hounding you.
Saya pun faham dan tahu to give face.
Shamsul, berkali-kali engkau mendakwa 80% itu dalam Perlembagaan Malaysia tetapi tak ada link atau cut and paste. Saya puas melayari laman web pusat maklumat rakyat. Saya dah tunjukkan keseluruhan Perkara 153.
Hakikatnya, saudara Shamsul kena bertaubat, sudah berdusta tapi nak fitnah lagi saya tak boleh terima.
Man Jebat,
I hate Nsync tactic is altering ( slightly) what i said. I said DAP waging war against Malays by questioning Malay rights. He wrote accusing me of saying Chinese are waging war against the Malays.
Another tactic that is the hallmark of DAP but used by this guy is to accuse me as liar or wanting to be “tuan”, effectively putting me in bad light for casual readers.
En. Shamsul Anuar,
We have to give credit for “I hate Nsync”, She/He did his job well.
With a slight spin and suttle insuniation, she/he manage to achieve her/his goal without sounding like a Dapster.
I am not great, it is just that neither of you are able to make proper arguments. You all whine and rant about the evils of DAP, accusing the political party of wanting to exterminate the Malays. The evidence points to the contrary, the DAP MPs are sucking up to the Malay electorate, selling their snake oil of Malaysia for all in tudung, citing the Quran and khalifah analogies. DAP also want to retain their traditional base of support among the Chinese.
So what is the difference between DAP and UMNO, or even MCA? UMNO wears the mask of sincerity towards moderation, while busy plundering the national coffers with willing partners. This “moderation” you speak of has driven parents away from national schools, instill a culture of mediocrity and worshipped the culture of wealth and power. They drugged the masses and fed them with poisonous and retrogressive ideas of Malay rights and superiority.
Like Helen said earlier, you think all these sentiments came out of the blue overnight? Ke you semua tidur dibuai penipuan orang sampai tak sedar persepsi bukan Melayu dengan realiti kemerosotan pemerintahan BN?
I hate Nsync,
then check again . I can see it . why cant you.
You are lame. You cannot accept there is no such percentage specified in the Constitution and you are repeating a falsehood.
ok saya jadi reffery la.
shamsul bagi saya link , coppy and paste link tu untuk saya dan helen tengok.
kalau boleh copy dan paste perengaan yang awak baca ok?
semua setuju????
Kpanjang,
Terimakasih. Lihat pme.penerangan.gov.my/index.php/maklumat-kenegaraan/1224-kontrak sosial.
Sila baca perenggan 29.
Pada i hate Nsync,
sila terima dengan fikiran terbuka akan fakta yang ujud di depan mata.
Kpanjang,
maaf. link PMR bukan PME
Shamshul sayang, perenggan 29 itu daripada nukilan chedet, bekas PM kita dalam postingnya bertarikh 12 Julai 2008 seperti berikut:
29. Kuota ditetapkan bagi kakitangan Kerajaan (Malayan Civil Service) dimana orang Melayu akan mendapat empat tempat bagi setiap satu yang diberikan kepada orang Cina dan India. Walaubagaimanapun, jawatan profesional diiktiraf terbuka bagi semua kaum kerana dianggap tidak mungkin terdapat cukup bilangan orang Melayu untuk mengisi jawatan-jawatan tersebut.
Saudara mengatakan penetapan kadar 80% penjawat awam orang Melayu itu dalam Perlembagaan Malaysia dan tak boleh dipersoalkan. Itu isunya sekarang. Sudah pusing hampir 2 hari baru nak faham. Kalau tak ada kuota yang “munasabah” ini, masakan JPA sekarang didominasi satu-satu kaum. Tengok bilangan bukan Melayu mengikut kementerian:
Bila saya cakap tak munasabah saya dituduh macam-macam, mempersoalkan kedudukan istimewa orang Melayu dsbnya, padahal realitinya memang dah gila jauh perkadaran itu daripada biasa.
Berikut merupakan pecahan jumlah penjawat awam untuk Melayu dan Cina dibawah beberapa buah kementerian:
Sehingga Mac 2011
Kementerian (Melayu/Cina) %
Belia dan Sukan (2,980/32) 1.07%
Dalam Negeri (40,263/614) 1.52%
Kerja Raya (6,221/156) 2.5%
Kesihatan (130,106/9,500) 7.3%
Kewangan (15,835/508) 3.2%
Luar Negeri (1,215/53) 4.36%
Pelajaran (273,791/43,669) 15.94%
Pelancongan (455/19) 4.17%
Wanita, Keluarga dan Pembangunan Masyarakat (5,461/75) 1.37%
Penerangan, Komunikasi dan Kebudayaan (8,839/402) 4.54%
Pengajian Tinggi (15,012/334) 2.22%
Pengangkutan (9,028/205) 2.27%
Cukup tak angka-angka ini setakat ini, baru yang peringkat Persekutuan.
N’sync and shamsul
So , look like shamsul was right that he saw the “figure” in the gov site,under maklumat dari kementerian penerangan. he assume it was verbatim of the Constituion, it was not his personal spin on the subject.
so let move on, i see your publish the figure for penjawat awam is this figure for chinese vis malay only or DLL bangsa vis bumiputra?
For the posting entry at 11:11 am, it is just Cina-Melayu.
Kpanjang,
So Dr Mahathir is right . anyone who defends the rights of malays will be accused as racist or liar by people like I hate Nsync.
By all means, defend your rights and special position. Just don’t turn a blind eye to the abuse made under its pretext.
yes, why you think 2008 election result outcome was they it was?,
I will tell you a secret, yes many malays are aware and are fedup with corruption in Malaysia .
But now…………………………………………..
Well, the only thing we want is our politicians to clean up their act. Kalau nak cari makan, kena pandai simpan. Well, many will still vote for PAS even if they are in PR. When DAP lose a few seats, maybe they will be more reasonable and moderate.
Bro shamsul, relek, dibawak bertenang jangan ikut emosi ,nanti otak terkehel macam dapster susah,
N synch tu nak ketengah perasaan dia dan pandangan dia.
kita setuju, ke tak setuju bagi aja laluan , asalkan jangan terlampau bahasa, terlampau pandangan tak apa, kita dengar aja keluhan mereka. kita faham ke tidak puasan hati mereka dengan minda terbuka.
Ada hikmah kalau kita bersabar walau pon dicabar dengan kata kata , yang kita rasa tercabar. dia sanggup berdebat dengan hemah kita dengar dangan penuh kesabaran.
Tapi kalau yang kurang ajar ,kita ajarkan. ini pandangan saya aja, jangan marah nanti ‘kena jual’. :)
Pergh… penat nak baca… (^_^)d
Joe lu miss “the rumble in the cyber jungle” berapa beb ..
Dah follow… penat nak baca semua… tapi digagahkan juga…
Korang asyik cerita pasal kuota kakitangan kerajaan 80-20.
tapi takder sesapa nak citer pasal pegangan equity 20-80.
AKu rasa kalau pegangan equity juga 80-20 baru la valid sesapa nak dispute 80-20 untuk kakitangan kerajaan…
(^_^)v
Bagus, bagus Joe, mana dalam Perlembagaan ada perizaban mengikut pegangan ekuiti?
Not that THAT has ever stopped the myriad of affirmative actions.
another rumble ? :0
KPanjang,
Terimakasih. Sebenarnya saya tak terlalu ikut perasaan. Yang ikut sedap ,mulut ialah I hate Nsync.
Tetapi taktik mereka semua dah saya tahu. Bukan namanya DAP kalau tak perangai seperti Yahudi. Jadi apa nak hairan.
Saya tak pernah nafikan rasuah ada macam kat negara lain juga. Tetapi hanya kerana rasuah perlukah hak orang melayu dirampas.?
Mengenai 80% tu bukan saya saja cipta. Perkara ni dah lama saya tahu. Bukan sebab tulisan Dr Mahathir. Ramai tak tahu dan ramai pura pura tak tahu.
Hanya kerana ada sikit “abuse’ tak perlu kita gadaikan hak kitasebagai orang melayu. Perkara “abuse’ boleh diatasi tanpa perlu gadai hak Melayu.
Betul , cuma perlu modify dan katuk balik mana yang bengkok aja .
sebenar gua penat membaca ping pong match kau orang naik juling membaca :)
tak salah perjuang pandangan masing masing , saya rasa kalau kita bagi masa ,’ In sink’ masih boleh bawak bicara sama – sam a walaupun ada pandangan tak sehaluan dalam perkara .
Ada kala pandangan berbeza kena layan , 1 MALAYSIA la.
ok selamat malam , MAJU SUKAN POLITIK UNTUK NEGARA!
Siapa yang gadai hak Melayu? Siapa yang rampas hak Melayu?
Masa buat DEB dulu semua setuju, tapi lama-kelamaan, macam-macam jadi, ada kelemahan pelaksanaan. Pantang ditegur nak betulkan cara itu, tak boleh disebut nak diperbaiki pendekatannya. Ramai orang terpedaya, percaya kedudukan istimewa itu bermaksud dominasi orang Melayu. Maka ada yang benci, ada yang lupa diri. 80% itu hanya untuk PENGAMBILAN perjawatan am, bukan profesional dan teknikal. Tengok apa sudah jadi? Dulu ramai penjawat awam bukan Melayu, sekarang tinggal beberapa kerat. Dah kronik baru nak betulkan balik. Bising pegangan ekuiti 30% itu tak cukup afdal, tapi lupa, dalam mana-mana negara, pegangan ekuiti orang asing 1/3 juga. Bukankah pegangan ekuiti orang bukan Melayu pegangan negara jua? Ini belum masuk pegangan ekuiti oleh institusi seperti Khazanah dan KWSP.
Saudara Kotaypanjang(Kpanjang),
Saya tidak mempertikaikan patriotisme masyarakat bukan Melayu. Mereka lahir di sini, Mereka orang Malaysia dan tak boleh lari ke mana kecuali yang kaya sahaja kekadang jadi rakyat Australia dan Kanada. Mereka patriotik juga, saya secara peribadi kenal beberapa guru bukan Melayu yang menangis, kerana kebebalan anak-anak muridnya yang semua Melayu. (Jangan kata semua Melayu bebal ya N’sync). Dia mengajar bukan kerana bangsa, dan saya peraya ramai lagi yang seperti dia. Guru Melayu pun serupa. Mereka patritik juga. Tapi saya juga kenal anggota tentera yang terpaksa berkhemah di Pulau Layang-Layang, dihadapan Battle Cruiser PRC yang sengaja menghalakan meriam ke arah mereka. Tambah lagi anggota tentera yang berkhidmat di Somalia dan banyak negara lain lagi. Saya mengenali secara peribadi Komandan Pelabuhan dan Lapanganterbang yang pernah berkhidmat di Mogadishu, dan banyak lagi cerita integriti dan keberanian tentera kita di sana,
Saya katakan bukan sahaja Melayu yang perlu give and take, tapi masyarakat bukan Melayu juga janganlah memandang serong kepada karier dalam perkhidmatan awam. Janganlah gelarkan anjing kepada anggota Cina dalam PDRM. Persepsi ini sangat berleluasa hinggakan seolah menghalang anak-anak masyarakat bukan Melayu dari menjadi anggota Polis. Jangan kerana politik kita membenci sesuatu kaum itu. Bila persepsi masyarakat bukan melayu memandang tinggi profession perguruan dan scholar, ramai bukan Melayu menjadikan perguruan sebagai karier mereka (ini dari statistik yang diberikan oleh N’sync), dan janganlah pertikaikan keikhlasan guru-guru Melayu dan India yang mengajar di SRJKC. Bukan sahaja guru Melayu dan India di sana, malah murid Melayu dan India pun ramai juga. Kalau guru dikeluarkan, apa pula cerita murid?
Persepsi rasuah bukan sahaja terhad kepada sesuatu bangsa dan parti politik.Ini berlaku di mana-mana. Saya pernah melihat sendiri di sebuah Pejabat Kerajaan bagaimana seorang kenalan berbangsa Cina memberikan “duit belanja makan tengahari” kepada kerani N 17 yang berkhidmat di situ. Kalau belanja makan dan ikut sekali makan, itu bukan rasuah, tapi dia tak ikut sama makan. Tersipu-sipu kerani tu, tapi dia ambil juga. Ini Ikan bilis, macamana ikan jerung? Ada 900 kes dihadapkan ke mahkamah, tahun lalu sahaja. Kerajaan memang berusaha untuk membenteras gejala rasuah, Menteri pun tak terkecuali. Itu yang nampak lah. Bagaiman pula kes kenalah yang meminjam kereta pegawai tinggi atas alasan kereta rosak? Bila pulangkan kereta dah berkilat, tayar dan rim empat-empat baru. Nak buktikan rasuah macamana? Ini berlaku di mana-mana di dunia, bahkan PRC yang menghukum mati perasuah pun tak terlepas dari gejala ini.,
Tak perlulah semua membuktikan patriotisme seperti anggota tentera, Tan Sri Lee Lam Thye, Prof Khoo Khay Peng, dan ramai lagi negarawan yang bukan berbangsa Melayu. Cumanya janganlah memusuhi sampai memukul dan mencerca wakil kerajaan atau mana-mana kaum atau parti politik. Bukankah kesopanan dan kesusilaan itu satu Rukun Negara? Berdasarkan hujah-hujah di bawa oleh N’sync saya terima hakikat bahawa banyak yang tak kena dalam negara ini, tapi konfrontasi, cercaan dan fitnah bukan cara terbaik untuk menyelesaikan masalah. Bukan sahaja penghinaan dan cercaan yang dilemparkan kepada sesiapa yang membantah “kemuliaan” khalifah dan partinya (Helen Ang), tapi hinggakan serangan fizikal (Wee Ka Siong) dan ugutan kepada keluarga juga turut dimainkan (Jessie Ooi). Bukan begini cara pembentukan Bangsa Malaysia. Generasi pendatang asal sudah pupus atau hampir pupus di negara kita, sekarang dah jadi rakyat tulen dan warganegara yang menyumbang pada negara. Cuma semangat perkauman masih menebal di kalangan kita semua, mungkin kurang kepada mereka yang membesar dengan pergaulan kaum yang lain.
Semoga kita dapat hidup aman di negara bertuah ini
Saya sokong pendapat anda berkenaan patriotisme.
Tapi berkenaan “bukan sahaja Melayu yang perlu give and take”, saya ingin berkata bahawa Melayu telah “give” sejak abad 19 lagi bila Menteri Larut Long Jaafar dan anak (cucu?)nya Ngah Ibrahim bawa masuk orang Cina dari Penang untuk berkerja di lombong timahnya (ada 250 lombong Melayu – rudimentary, basic method of mining di masa itu.) Hingga di beri oleh Ngah Ibrahim beberapa orang di antara mereka tanah lombong, namun modal pun, supaya dia boleh dapat cukai dari lombong lombong tambahan untuk membuat jalan dsbnya.
Tahu kah apa Melayu “take”? Tindak tanduk kongsi gelap, penjahat dan gengster yang di bawa masuk puak Hai San dan Ghee Hin, berperang antara mereka menawan lombong pesaing, membawa kapada Perang Larut I, II, III & IV. Menyedut pelombong pelombng Melayu sehingga lenyap industri lombong Melayu itu.
Paling derhaka sekali ia lah Kapitan Cina di situ yang menanda tangan, bersama 44 gengster, suatu Petition meminta British di Penang masuk Larut tolong mereka dapatkan semula lombong yang di tawan oleh suku-kaum lawan. British gunakan itu sebagai suatu helah untuk masuk negeri Perak, membawa kapada Perjanjian Pangkor yang di tanda tangani “di bawah laras senapang” (under the barrel of a gun), dan penjajahan British jahanam bermula. Itu derhaka yang paling besar, yang perlu di ingatkan dari masa ke masa untuk mengelakkan berlakunya lagi kurang ajar kaum pendatang (istilah yang tepat terutamanya di masa itu). Maka itu lah sebabnya puak DAP tidak mahu Sejarah di mestikan di sekolah sekolah. Dan bagus lah Sejarah akan di mestikan di sekolah sekolah mulai 2013.
Benar, sekarang kita perlu desakkan “give and take” dari pihak mereka. Benar, negara maju ekonomi dari usaha mereka, tetapi bertan duit telah mereka “take”, kekayan telah membawa banyak kemudahan untuk mereka. Maka sekarang Melayu pun sudah banyak dalam lapangan ekonomi yang juga menyumbang kapada pembangunan ekonomi negara. Oleh itu, perlu lah mereka juga sanggup berkorban, rela mati mempertahankan kedaulatan negara. Heboh sahaja mahu dapatkan mereka yang sanggup “enlist in the military” tak berapa lama dahulu. Ada dengar berapa orang yang mereka dapat? Berapa orang yang pergi mohon di Kementerian Pertahanan?
Wahai Anon,
Nak buat akaun give and take? Nak kira berapa nilai kerakyatan dan nilai kuota lesen dan permit and pendidikan? You want to put a figure on that, a time span for data analysis? Nanti you termasuk kira tongkang-tongkang Cina kat zaman Kesultanan Melayu Melaka karang susah nak buat estimationnya.
Kalau orang Malaysia nak buat ledger, nak berkira secara etnik, maka orang India macam mana? Orang Bumiputera lain mana? Malaysia ini bukan orang Melayu dan orang Cina punya tau. Golongan macam Anon dan pelampau DJZ-lah yang perlu kita tangani, bagi saya, tiada beza antara kedua-duanya.
As for penyokong ketuanan, baik perasuah atau penerima rasuah, sama saja, semuanya kena tangkap.
Btw, bawak masuk pelombong Cina itu “give” oleh orang Melayu? Pelombong Cina tu kuli, kena kerja, kena gali lombong dan orang Melayu elit dapat timah dan hasil galian. Sampai kaya orang Melayu elit dan digunakan juga untuk perebutan kuasa.
Wah, definisi “give” Anon memang illuminating!
Masih lagi ini demented personality yang menggunakan nama “hate” menuduh saya. Kali ini dia tuduh saya macam gulongan pelampau DJZ. Dia going personal again. OK, now let’s try to analyze or surmise apa jenis maanusia dia ni:
1. Mesti ada sesuatu di personaliti dia sehingga menggunakan nama “hate”. Tidak pernah sesiapa berbuat demikian setahu saya. Mesti ada character defect sejak dia di dalam perut emaknya atau “acquired” sejak dia keluar dari perut emaknya.
Ada yang kata bahawa otak bayi mula berbentuk sejak di perut emak. Tapi apa kah kepalanya kena sondol masa di dalam perut emaknya sehngga otaknya mula cacat atau mereng sejak bayi di perut? Saya fikir mungkin. Tak manis nak sebut apa yang menyondolnya.
2. Keluar dari perut emaknya mungkin di biarkan oleh emak bapaknya merayap ke sana sini, jumpa tahi kucing atau anjing di masuk mulutnya. Maka banyak protein masuk kedalam sistemnya tapi, tapi sebab itu tahi, menyebabkan mereng pemikirannya sejak kecil lagi. Kesian.
3. Emak bapak kesibukan seharian, tidak ada masa membimbing dia masa dia membesar. Tidak di ajar decency and decorum, cara berinteraksi dengan khalayak ramai, tahu batas bila berhujjah, tidak asyik going personal bila tak ada hujjah yang baik. Kesian.
4. Bercampur dengan gulungan DAP yang anti-Establishment, anti-nasional, anti-Malay, anti-Kedudukan Istimewa Melayu dan Bumiputera Sabah dan Sarawak, anti NEP dan anti segala apa yang di lihatnya “Malay dominant”. Maka di keluarkannya hujah hujah songsang, kononnya kebebasan membolehkan dia mengata apa sahaja, “fair treatment” boleh mengenepikan Kedudukan Istimewa itu, tidak akui bahawa terletak di atas bijaksana dan budi pekerti YDPA menentukan peratus atau nisbah Melayu:bukan Melayu bagi kemudahan kemudahan dalam Perkara 153 itu, marah bila di sebutkan Akta Hasutan kapadanya.
5. Selepas berbagai penerangan dan hujah hujah di keluarkan, dia masih lagi berpegang kpd pendapatnya. OK, bebas buat demikian. Tapi mengata orang “bodoh” dll, (perkataan “hate” keluar tiap kali nama nya keluar), sekarang mengata saya lagi, kali ini mengata saya “pelampau” pulak. Nak kata dia tak berpelajaran, tak betul. Tak ada didikan, salah campuran, lebih tepat. Tapi kerana kerap sangat dia buat begitu, mungkin dia ada penyakit. Penyakit jiwa, rasanya. Personality defect. Nak kata schizophrenic, dia masih ada coherence. Not mad, but maybe half mad. Bipolar madness agaknya.Ada masa baik, ada masa marah, bila marah, meradang, keluarlah “hate” dan bodoh membodoh dia. Macam Winston Churchill, yang dikatakan bipolar, pada masa masanya marah sehingga bini dia berkali kali nak mintak cerai tapi tak jadi.
Nasib lah dia selalu masuk di sini. Saya nak mintak cerai pun tak boleh sebab tak kahwin dengan dia, haha. Saya kesian “spouse” dia – dia mungkin lelaki/ perempuan, atau kedua duanya sekali. Saya akan teruskan dasar saya membidas dia bila dia abusive.
Saya harap Helen akan siarkan komen saya ini. Saya kira masih dalam rangka decency and decorum sebab saya tidak ada maki hamun dia. Hanya analysis pesonaliti dia. Dan tit for titkan dia.
Saudara Anon,
Lain kali, jangan baca Wikipedia dan telan bulat-bulat apa yang orang tulis itu. Masalah manusio nih, dia cepat benar telan apa yang dia suka. Kita cubo sama-sama tengok apo yang orang kita dengan orang puteh tulis pasal Perjanjian Pangkor, tidak sekorang-korangnya dapat belajo sejaroh, ye ke tok?
Ini saya bagi percumo, tak wajib belajo sejaroh, tapi belajo-lah yang sahih, dengan otak pasang “on”, bole?
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Perak
Here three troublesome problems seemed to admit of no delay in their solution: (1) the Chinese faction fighting and piracy; (2) the disputed succession to the Sultanate of Perak; and (3) the status of one of the Perak chiefs, the Mantri of Larut, who claimed to be independent of the Sultan. There were in addition some old standing disputes as to certain boundaries between Perak and the British territories of Province Wellesley and the Dindings, which it as desirable to settle at the same time.
– Life of Lieutenant General the Honorable Sir Andrew Clarke, Vetch RH, 2005 p. 147
Sir Andrew Clarke has good reason to believe that the Chinese were getting sick of the constant faction fighting, which was not only ruining the country of Perak, but also impoverishing themselves. He, therefore, TOOK THE FIRST STEP in his Native States policy by sending the Official Chinese Interpreter to Government, Mr. Pickering, to open negotiations with the headmen of the Chinese factions in Perak, but with instructions to do so as if acting on his own authority, and not as delegated by the Governor.
Mr. Pickering was not only a fluent speaker of Chinese, but he was a man of both energy and tact. He left Singapore for Perak in the steamer Johore, and at once set to work to find out whether the chiefs of the two parties could not be brought to settle their differences. His mission proved MOST SUCCESSFUL. He gained the confidences of the headmen, and on the 4th January, 1874, was able to telegraph to Sir Andrew that the chief headmen of both factions had agreed to submit their claims to the arbitration of the Governor, and to enter into an understanding to surrender their rowboats, to dismantle their stockades, and to give up their arms.
– Life of Lieutenant General the Honorable Sir Andrew Clarke, Vetch RH, 2005 p. 148
In the meantime Sir Andrew had discussed the Perak succession question with Mr. W. H. Read, an old resident in the colony, and a Member of Council, to whom the Raja Muda Abdulla was personally known. Through Mr. Read’s instrumentality Sir Andrew, in due course, received a letter from Abdulla, properly signed and ”chopped,” in which he made the following report : —
From Raja Muda Abdulla.
*We and our great men request the Governor, who is now arbitrator and mediator, to aid us by inquiring into these disturbances with authority, so that they shall cease, and be settled properly and with justice. And if all these dissensions are brought to an end and set right, and the country is restored to peace, we and our great men desire to settle under the sheltering protection of the English flag.
** Further, we and our great men wish to make a new treaty of lasting friendship with the English Government, which will benefit both sides. And we, together with our great men, to show our good faith, ask of our friend, Sir Andrew Clarke, for a man of sufficient abilities to live with us in Perak, or at any fit place not far from us, and show us a good system of government for our dominions, so that our country may be opened up and bring; profit, and increase the revenues as well as peace and justice. …”
Having received Mr. Pickering’s telegram and Abdulla’s letter. Sir Andrew decided that he would himself go to Perak, and endeavour personally to settle, there and then, with the Perak chiefs all the questions at issue. He fixed the 14th January for the conference, and he selected Pulo Pangkor, at the Dindings, as the rendezvous. Anticipating that there might be some difficulty in collecting the chiefs, he sent Major McNair and Captain Dunlop (Inspector of Police) to Penang with letters to all the principal chiefs, and he directed Mr. Pickering to assemble the Chinese headmen.
– Life of Lieutenant General the Honorable Sir Andrew Clarke, Vetch RH, 2005 p. 149 – 150
Sir Andrew held a long conference with the Chinese headmen on both sides. They prayed that the British Government would take over the country, or at least appoint a British officer to reside in the district and protect them. They exhibited the utmost readiness to accept the decision of the Governor, and their faith in Sir Andrew was fully demonstrated by their subsequent conduct On the very day the Pangkor Treaty or Engagement was signed both factions of the Chinese surrendered a large quantity of arms, a number of rowboats, and many junks, together with twenty-seven guns, one of which was a Krupp, and Sir Andrew sent H.M.S. Avon and the Johore with Captain Dunlop and Mr, Skinner to search the rivers for more. The leading Chinese, many of them men of large property in Penang, entered into a bond to keep the peace with each other and with the Malays, to disarm their followers, and to destroy the stockades, under a penalty of 50,000 dollars, and this ENGAGEMENT WAS SIGNED by the headmen on the SAME DAY AS THE TREATY.
But Sir Andrew found that the claims of the rival factions in the tin mines were too complicated to settle off-hand, and that women and children had been taken captive and detained in slavery. He therefore appointed a Commission to settle these mining claims, to enforce the surrender of arms and boats, to destroy all stockades, and to endeavour to discover and to restore to their own people the captured women and children.
By the tact and activity of the Commissioners their work was satisfactorily completed without resort to force, and in spite of obstruction on the part of the
Mantri. The tranquillity of the mining district was secured by laying down a line dividing the localities and claims of the rival factions. At the end of a
month Mr. Swettenham was able to conclude his journal with the following observations : —
“The country, as we came down this morning, looked very different to what it was a month ago. Everyone is as quiet as possible, some are respectful and a few even polite. There are no signs of stockades or arms, and Chinese, Malays, and Klings are walking all over the country.”
Sir Andrew was delighted, and telegraphed to the Colonial Office : —
** Commissioners returned from Perak, having rescued fifty-three women, disarmed belligerents, razed all stockades, and settled mines. Immigration and capital
setting in.”
On his return to Singapore after making the Pangkor Engagement he wrote to Mr. Childers : —
To the Rt. Hon. H. C. E. Childers.
**I have nominated Captain Speedy Acting Resident of Larut. In doing this I went, no doubt, beyond my instructions, but all I had done would have come to nothing had I not left someone in the country to see the engagement carried out and a proper police organised. I feel I have done a good stroke ; in short, all the people here say that nothing has been done so complete and equal to it since Raffles’s time. . . .
** The Colonial Office may say that I might have submitted my scheme to them for their approval before putting it into force, but the only chance of success I had was to do what I did rapidly, so that not a soul knew my plans until I had almost pulled them through. The Chinese were moving and had no idea who was moving them. I had got hold of the heads of both parties, and neither knew that I knew the other.
** I sent a steamer for the Malay chiefs telling them to come to see me at the Bindings, giving them no time to hesitate, nor telling them what I wanted them for, nor affording them time to send for their lawyers — nearly all Malay chiefs have Penang or Singapore lawyers retained by them. I was assured I could not get them together under six weeks or two months. I collected them in a week, and they were without their lawyers. One alone, the Mantri of Larut, had one ; but as none of the others had, I would not assent to his putting in an appearance.”
– Life of Lieutenant General the Honorable Sir Andrew Clarke, Vetch RH, 2005 p. 152 – 154
Bagi yang tak pandai bahasa Inggeris, ceritanya senang aje. Perak adalah banyak masalah, si Clarke ni datang, settle semuo dan letak Sultan baru, dan pasang Penasihat orang puteh.
Mana orang Cina yang minta digulingkan Raja dan Sultan Melayu? Sabo-sabo, nanti ada lagi.
Kimberly ni boss Clarke lah.
Ord faced five serious problems in the Peninsula in 1872-3. (1) the controversy over Raja Mahdi, and, after the latter’s return to Selangor, the consequent adverse turn in Tengku ‘Zia’u’d-din’s fortunes (2) the possibility of the Selangor war spreading to Sungei Ujong. (3) the disputed succession in Perak. (4) the Chinese miners war in Larut, which became entangled with the Perak dispute, and, through the secret societies, directly involved the colony. (5) the effect which the Malay problems had on Straits trade, which caused further demands for intervention both from European and Chinese merchants. Again, this is not the place to narrate the details of this situation; what concerns us is the changing attitude of the Colonial Office to Ord’s attempts to match up to his problems.
…week later they received information on the war in Larut. It came in the shape of a report describing Lieut-Governor Campbell’s expedition to the Larut River on 16-18 October 1872. Although the Colonial Office found this “unfortunate and undignified”, and Parkinson says it displayed “wavering indecision” in Penang, in some ways it had important consequences. For as it was becoming obvious that the Chinese societies at war in Larut were based upon Penang, whence their arms were obtained, Campbell made his expedition to warn those engaged in this traffic of “the grave offence of which they had been guilty” and to “prevent turbulence by the presence of a British man-of-war at Larut”. He did not achieve anything, and he was censured for allowing the societies to use Penang as their supply base, but his report indicated to Ord, and to Whitehall, the seriousness of the Larut war. What is more significant, from the point of view of Colonial Office policy, was the new course which Campbell urged. Apparently a leading Chinese had told him “When the British flag is seen over Perak or Laroot every Chinaman will go down on his knees & bless God”. Therefore Campbell, drawing on his Indian experience, wrote urging “the appointment of a Resident or Political Officer for certain of the Malay States which I made at some length in my letter to your address No. 720 of the 6th [September]”. This may be the letter quoted undated by Wilkinson, which clearly indicates the source of
Campbell’s idea.
For Kimberley wrote on the same day that Sir Andrew Clarke, the next governor, would have to look into the Larut problem:
“I think we must endeavour to put a stop to these disturbances. It is evident that Penang is a base of operations for these contentious Chinese. The difficulty is how to do anything without direct interference with Perak which is very undesirable”.Thus, Kimberley, while admitting he should do something to stop the trouble in Larut, still clung to the policy of non-intervention. As yet he was undecided what action to take. But at the end of July the second factor came into play and helped him to make up his mind. Attracted inevitably by the success of Chinese tin mining, a few Englishmen were attempting to enter the Malay States for the same purpose. The group which was destined to influence Lord Kimberley in an unexpected manner was the Selangor Tin Company with which James Guthrie Davidson and W. H. M. Read were connected. They were both interested in Selangor’s prospects. Read had attempted to collect the Klang revenue on a commission basis for the Sultan in 1866, but the civil war upset this. He was one of those who believed the Straits Government was not doing enough to support Tengku ‘Zia’u’d-din in 1872. Davidson was the financial backer of both the Tengku and Yap Ah Loy, and therefore he had invested in the success of one side in the Selangor war. In March 1873 he secured a concession from the Tengku of tin mining rights in Selangor for ten years and the Selangor Tin Company hoped to exploit this.
The following pattern emerges then: the Perak and Larut war had caused Kimberley to decide early in July that Clarke would have to look into Peninsula affairs; the possibility of European rivalry raised by Seymour Clarke added urgency to this inquiry later in July; the final step came at the end of August when Kimberley wrote the new governor’s instructions. Before he did this the well-known petition from the 248 Chinese traders reached London with the comment by Ord that the whole of the west coast from Province Wellesley to Malacca was in a state of anarchy. On 28 August 1873 Cox wrote “Lord Kimberley is about to consider how far it may be desirable for the British Govt., that is the Govt. of the Straits Settlements, to interfere actively in the Malayan States”. Kimberley wrote his famous draft for Sir Andrew Clarke on 31 August. In Parkinson’s view “the month or six weeks during which the trend of policy was so strikingly reversed” was from 21 August, when the traders petition arrived, till 20 September, when Clarke’s instructions were sent. The foregoing argument shows that it took place between early July, when Kimberley saw George Campbell, and 22 July, when he contemplated new treaties with the Malay States after reading Seymour Clarke’s letter. The Chinese traders petition only underlined a situation which Kimberley had already appreciated. After giving Wolseley his Ashanti instructions on 10 September Kimberley sent Clarke’s instructions to the Prime Minister with this rather apt summary of the situation:
“The condition of the Malay Peninsula is becoming very serious. It is the old story of misgovernment of Asiatic States. This might go on without any serious consequences except the stoppage of trade were it not that European and Chinese capitalists stimulated by the great riches in tin mines in some of the Malay States are suggesting to the NATIVE PRINCES THAT THEY SHOULD SEEK THE AID OF EUROPEANS…. We are the paramount power on the Peninsula up to the limit of the States tributary to Siam, and looking to the vicinity of India & our whole position in the East I apprehend that it would be a serious matter if any other European Power were to obtain a footing on the Peninsula”.
Thus in the autumn of 1873 the Colonial Office realised “we are getting somewhat actively mixed up in Perak politics.” Captain Speedy joined the Mantri of Larut; Ord recognised the latter as an independent ruler thus committing the Straits government; HMS Thalia shelled the stockades of the Chinese faction who opposed the government’s new protege;
MacIntyre, 1961
Perak, adjacent to the British possessions of Province Wellesley and Penang, was in a state of anarchy when Clarke assumed the governorship of the Straits Settlements. In addition to the usual turmoil involving rival claimants to the throne, this little state was convulsed by a war between rival factions of Chinese tin miners which had been raging since 1872, involving great loss of life (Clarke stated that the country had become almost depopulated), enormous destruction of property, and the almost complete disruption of trade. The value of imports into Penang in 1872 and 1873 decreased by almost one million straits dollars as the result of the interruption of tin imports from Perak. These were the conditions which led Clarke to intervene in Perak. He dispatched an emissary to mediate the Chinese dispute, who prevailed on both sides to lay down their arms, and on January 14, 1874, he concluded an agreement in Pangkor with the chief of Perak, by which one of the pretenders was recognized as Sultan and the deposed ruler was pensioned off. The Dindings off the coast of Perak were annexed to the Straits Settlements. But the most important element of the agreement was the acceptance by the new sultan of a British Resident, who would in effect be the de facto governor of the state, since the Sultan was bound to accept his advice in all matters other than those touching Malay religion and customs. The Pangkor agreement became the precedent for similar intervention during the next three months in Selangor, between Perak and Malacca, and Sungei Ujong, adjacent to Malacca, in each of which there were disturbed conditions as a result of rivalries for the throne. Neither in Perak nor in Sungei Ujang were European capitalists directly involved. In both states the mines were principally owned by Chinese, who in Perak also comprised the great majority of the population.
Galbraith, JS, 1960
Satu rumusan oleh penulis orang puteh yang bukan pakar sejarah, bagi saya, tapi masih tepat ringkasannya.
Sekarang kita tengok rumusan-rumusan dan pendapat sejarahwan tempatan yang tepat dan bukan sejarahwan yang jauh menyimpang.
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For instance in 1862, Colonel Cavenagh, then Governor of the Straits forced Perak’s Mantri of Larut to pay compensation to a Chinese secret society (Ghee Hin) for contravening a mining contract, failing which the British authority would impose a blockade off the coast of Perak (Purcell 1947: 106).
The period 1850 – 1874 was also a time of increased political crisis as Malay rulers fought for control of resources. Economic development sparked rivalry between Malay chiefs to seize control of rich resources which prompted some of these chiefs to collaborate with Chinese towkays and Chinese Secret Societies and at times seek British official sanction in pursuing their claims. It was this combination of events, the presence of various new actors and weaknesses on the part of Malay rulers in managing the political and economic flux that made Malay feudal administration increasingly untenable.
THE PERIOD 1874-1930: OUT WITH THE OLD, IN WITH THE NEW
This period is important for several reasons. First, it ushered a new political and economic arrangement to the Malay States which, through series of events and processes, created a path trajectory that would define Malaysia’s future political and economic qualities. Second, the period highlights the importance of the concepts of timing, sequences and path dependency in understanding the role assumed by old and new actors. It depicts how initial moves, incremental as they might be, got consolidated over time, produced unintended consequences and helped define Malaysia’s political and economic trajectory. It will describe how British policies and the consequent impact of those policies on new and old actors created different sets of expectation to an increasingly plural Malayan society. These different sets of expectation would later define Malaysia’s future political arrangement.
The Pangkor Treaty changed the political economy of the Malay States as it discredited the old feudal structures and introduced a new form of alliance between the old (Malay) actors with new ones (European and Chinese).
– Noh, Abdillah, 2010
With the presence of British administration in the Straits Settlements, the Chinese, particularly those who resided in the Straits Settlements and who had important economic interests in the Malay states, despite a propensity to maintain an Imperium in imperio, increasingly, in times of disputes whether intra-communal as in the case of the Larut disturbances or inter-communal as when Chinese ships were detained by Malay chiefs turned to the British for redress. It was manifest that the Chinese, even before 1874, had begun to look upon the British as the defacto authority in the Malay Peninsula. The Pangkor Treaty of 1874 marked the beginning of the British take-over of the administration of the Malay states. Legally, neither the Pangkor Treaty nor subsequent Anglo-Malay treaties surrendered the sovereignty of the Malay states to the British. Britain’s role was that of protector; the Malay rulers retained, at least, dejure control over their own states.6 The new administrative arrangement nevertheless severed the political bond between the Chinese immigrants and the Malay rulingelite. With the focus of authority shifting to the British bureaucracy, the Chinese in the Malay states became, in effect, an immigrant community under the control of a foreign power. Chinese perception of the Malays, as a result, changed radically.
– Khoo, KK, 1981
Taiping was once the capital of Perak state during the British occupation. Kelian Pauh (the former name for Taiping) was the center for tin mining, and import and export activities during the 19th century. Immigrants from Southern China were brought in by the British to work in the tin mines. By the mid- 19th century incidence of civil wars had peaked amongst Chinese Kongsi in the tin mining district. To curb the unrests, the Sultan of Perak had signed the 1874 Pangkor Treaty, agreeing to a system of British Residency in Perak. The name Taiping was then introduced which, in Chinese means “everlasting peace”.
Badaruddin Mohamed, A Ghafar Ahmad, Nurwati Badarulzaman, 2002
The interest in tin ore led to the in pour of Chinese immigrants and they tried to have a good rapport with Long Jaafar to capitalise on the mining activities. Chinese immigrants were brought in from China and Penang. The Chinese occupied areas like Asam Kumbang, Klian Pauh, Kota and Kamunting. The increase in the demand for tin ore in Britain further helped Larut tin mining zone to generate more economic activities. As Larut began gaining importance, Long Jaafar monopolised the tin mining area from 1850 to 1856. When he died, his son, Ngah Ibrahim took over the administration of Larut mining activities (Swettenham, 1906).
One of the Malay royal princes of Perak, Raja Abdullah, agreed to allow the British to place a British Resident in the state IN RETURN FOR helping him to claim the throne and gaining control of a large portion of Larut tin mining activities. There were feuds between the Chinese secret societies. THE REPEATED DISTURBANCES CAUSED BY THE CHINESE SECRET SOCIETIES IN LARUT LED TO THE 1874 Pangkor Treaty and the name of the mining town of Klian Pauh was changed to TAIPING meaning ‘Everlasting Peace’.
– Hamidah Ahmad, Zainul Hakim Mohd Zain, Rozinah Yaacob, post 2009?
So adik-adik dan abang-abang dan kakak-kakak semua, apa yang boleh kita pelajari daripada episod Larut dan Anon dan persepsi pengkhianatan Cinanya?
Sejarah wajib difahami, dihalusi dan diinterpretasi. Bukan sahaja orang pro-UMNO dan BN pandai puterbelit sejarah, orang DAP dan PKR pun pandai puterbelit sejarah. Buku teks sekolah kita untuk tahap budak-budak sekolah, propaganda banyak, simplistik banyak, itu biasalah.
Tapi kadang-kadang, manusia nih, badan dia aje besar tapi kematangan otak terbantut. Jadi, otak dia asyik faham yang simple-simple je. Dia hanya dapat tangkap propaganda, dan malas nak fahami sejarah sebenar. Maklumlah, yang pemahaman sejarah rata-ratanya kat Malaysia tak lepas Form 5, itupun buku-buku teks yang entah apa niatnya.
Peristiwa di Larut dan perkara-perkara yang membawa kepada Perjanjian Pangkor adalah jelas. Ketika itu, sudah ada British di Negeri-negeri Selat, sudah ramai pendatang Cina dan India. Macam orang Indonesia sekarang, mereka datang bukan kerana cintakan Tanah Melayu, tapi mau cari makan. Dulu tak ada PAPA, tak ada MAMA, tak ada PiKAP. Salah geng aje, mampus. Pendatang cina ada kelompoknya, dan geng-geng inilah yang dipertanggungjawabkan untuk jaga nasib orang masing-masing. Orang bergaduh pasal lombong, pasal duitlah, mana dia orang berani kacau orang lain, dapat lombong tu dia orang kena bagi duit jugak kat orang kaya Melayu. Macam MCA dengan DAP sekarang kot, gaduh-gaduh dia orang, kena bayar cukai kat kerajaan juga. Kapitan-kapitan ini ada boss Melayu masing-masing dan mereka juga jadi kaki pukul. Dulu literal, sekarang figuratively speakinglah.
Anon dan ramai orang yang sewaktu dengannya cakap kerana orang Cinalah yang minta campur tangan British, maka Perjanjian Pangkor tu jadi. Aku pun heran, wah, terror juga geng-geng Cina ini yer? Tengah sibuk dia orang saling membelasah dan dibelasahkan untuk kepentingan sendiri dan tauke masing-masing, dapat juga dia gerakkan orang puteh nih. Siap geng yang support Raja Muda Abdullah ni kabel dia paling besar.
Tapi dok aku baca balik nukilan sejarahwan, eh, lain rasanya? Rupa-rupanya Raja Muda Abdullah ada tulis surat cinta kat Clarke, mintak dia tolong selesaikan masalah perang saudara sesama orang kaya-kaya Perak dan puak-puak kongsi Cina. Dok Raja Muda Abdullah ini carik kawan Cina dia kat Singapura buat surat bertandatangan dan cop untuk bagi kat si Andrew Clarke nih.
So kita fikir pasang otak. Kalau Pickering agen Clarke ini dah settle masalah kongsi-kongsi Cina, dia boleh dapat letakkan Residen? Mana bole, kotey tauke-tauke kongsi Cina ni tak besar, dia orang pun kuli, kaki pukul. Si Clarke ni bila dapat surat Raja Muda Abdullah sekali dengan laporan Pickering, wahhh, dia bau ada untung dan laba besar. Cepat-cepat dia pasang jerat, pakai order kuasa Gabenor dia, kasi pulas semuo tangan pembesar Melayu dan tauke orang Cina dari Penang dan Perak yang terbabit, tak bagi seorang pun loyar buruk masuk semeja perbincangan dan macam dia orang cakap, the rest is history.
Menarik tak sejarah nih? Bertahun-tahun aku baca, memang syiok giler.
dah getting personel ni…..
Memang lah, bro. Dah cakap terang terang di atas tu.
Takkan boleh diamkan saja bila orang kangja kat kita. Kristian ajar bila orang sepak pipi kiri kita, halakan pipi kanan pula. Dah lama dah orang Kristian pun tak buat macam tu lagi. Silap silap penumbuk balasnya.
Tapi teman idok le mau tumbuk deme’ tu le! Cuma beri paku buah keras aje. You do I do, kata bebudak. Sekali sekala nak juga macam bebudak, ye tak? Nak jaga maruah, kata orang.
Why worry Kotey? I never let getting personal get in the way of some good fun. I read Anon’s entry at 2.41 pm and the only argument I found in his/her retort is the insightful conjecture of my brain damage during pregnancy. The rest was an attempt to figure out my personality, psychology and online behavior.
Was any of my arguments faulty? Nope!
Not half bad considering his original proposal was to do a “give” and “take” accounting since Long Jaafar’s time.
I like Anon and his skewed perspectives. What I enjoy more is his idea of defending Malay rights. With people like Anon, logic not only flies out the window, it travels away in the speed of light.
Relaks la Anon, nanti tekanan darah tinggi, menjejaskan perhitungan “give and take” anda mengikut kaum. Kan Anon yang cakap orang bukan Melayu dominan ekonomi Malaysia. Kalau sekarang sudah ramai orang Melayu “give” dari segi ekonomi, takkan orang bukan Melayu tak “give” dari segi ekonomi. Ke orang bukan Melayu hanya “take” dari segi ekonomi? Saya dah pura-pura tak faham ini.
Hahahaha…
Was wondering whether there’s any point responding to you any more, Mr half mad Bipolar. You must be on your high mood now as no rude words come out in this comment. Earlier on you began your copying of copious extracts of books by insulting me referring to Wikipedia.
I want to avoid responding to a half mad Bipolar fellow who, on a high mood (or was it low depressive mood?), would come out with rude words again. The hahaha there is perhaps already telling.
Good that you acknowledge your brain damage during pregnancy, though you call it a conjecture. I know you would not admit your psychiatric condition as Bipolars like Winston Churchill also had the denial syndrome. A huge state secret until well after he died.
Bipolars like to write lengthily – Churchill’s “The Gathering Storm” was a lingering account of the war years in several thick volumes. You have pumped into here lengthy extracts of British colonialists’ writing expecting me to believe all what they said. I would argue with you on them if you are not prone to psychotic relapses and blurting out abuses which will compel me to respond in kind. Not nice to be doing that frequently and it’d be a futile effort in getting decent exchanges of views.
Even if you promise to take your pills (I assume you have gone to the Psychiatrist), there’s no guarantee that you’d take them diligently as prescribed. I therefore refuse to have any further exchanges with you. I notice that 1-2 others have already taken that stand.
The doctors say that like all serious ailments e.g diabetes, arthritis, hypertension, there is no cure for psychotic illnesses as well – only treatment for control of the symptoms. So I wish you good luck on your treatment and hope you’ll have control over your symptoms so that we see less of your rudeness and abuses when commenting here. Perhaps one day you’ll omit the word “hate” in your name!
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Anon,
I’ve been approving most of both your & I Hate N’Sync’s comments without going through them as they are so many & so lengthy (furthermore “so fast & so furious” — line taken from kungfu movie) plus I have enough trust in the both of you to let pass without moderation.
I’m not sure (I didn’t take note) what he has labelled you in your mutual slugfest (or as Kpanjang called it, “the rumble”) but now, the “Mr half mad Bipolar” description is a bit too much. I feel bad for him – for whatever personal labels you’ve thrown – and bad for you – for whatever labels he’s thrown.
I know that I’d earlier stated my support for your plan to give (back) the DAPsters as good as they dish out to other hapless people – in fact, I’m also tempted to do the same to certain trolls myself – but I-Hate-N’Sync is not a DAPster.
I believe that this engagement between you two has been illuminating (beneficial content-wise) for other readers in this blog. It’s a waste of energy for you to tire each other out with the psychoanalysis (a quota reserved for our friend Overseas Bumi).
Lastly, if the guy hates N’Sync, he hates N’Sync lah. Period. They’re a boy band precursor to Justin Bieber. The ‘hate’ in the pseudonym doesn’t imply he’s a hater.
Helen
Dear Anon,
Nak kasi hentam bukannya kena pakai kata-kata kesat aje. Bukan gitu?
Aku tak sangka engkau cakap aku tulis panjang-panjang macam Churchill. Aku rasa itu satu pujian, baik aku anggap itu satu pujian sajelah. Engkau putar-putar-putar, tak nak analisa senario dan logik tuduhan awak orang Cina belot khianat Melayu ke kat Larut? Ke saudara lupa pasal Raja Muda, Raja Bendahara dan Ngah Ibrahim? Kan Anon sendiri yang suruh banyakkan mengenal sejarah? Aku bagi surat Raja Muda Abdullah engkau tak nak caya, aku cari Prof. Khoo yang awak sanjungi pun awak taknak percaya? Ke hanya Ramlah Adam aje yang awak percaya? Tapi dia pakar sejarah politik!
Begini sajalah Anon, kalau engkau tak nak layan aku takpe, tapi engkau jangan cakap yang bukan-bukan tentang benda yang engkau tak pernah selidiki, boleh? Engkau jangan lagi melalak kiri kanan orang Cina itu pembelot dan ini tak kenang budi. Aku tak melalak orang Melayu itu dan ini, aku hanya melalak engkau tak begitu pandai, paling teruk pun otak kau tak betul dan gile.
Orang Melayu pun ada orang bodoh, macam ada orang Cina kat DJZ.
And uh, technically, there is no “cure” for the common cold either. Before more thinks that psychotic illnesses are “incurable” macam Anon, just for the record and on a serious note, kalau betul-betul ada orang menghadapi masalah penyakit kecelaruan mental atau psikotik, tolong bawa pi jumpa doktor pakar sebab recovery IS possible. Psychotic disorders can be treated and recovery period vary by cases, but they happen, ok?
End of social service message.
Helen,
I’d hoped you had read the words he used in his comments before saying “Mr half mad Bipolar” description is a bit too much.”
You see, even in his frst comment in this thread, at comment No. 128, April 15, 2012 at 3:55 am, he had used unacceptable words:
“yang dah bergelar Prof. dan Dr. tapi sengaja memutar-belit … Shamshul terbohong jika mengatakan UMNO tak pernah mewarwarkan konsep ketuanan Melayu … dan memetik angka-angka dan cerita daripada langit, itu bersifat kebodohan
He could have just stated his arguments without menuduh samshul memutar belit, memobohong and membodohkan dia.
I first engaged him at 12.39 am, in a polite manner, asking what his name meant and saying “Selepas membaca komen komen anda mulai April 15, 2012 at 3:55 am hingga 5:37 pm …, maka dalam konteks faham memahami dan saling mengerti maksud di tulisan tulisan kita di sini, ingin saya bertanya/ membuat komen komen berikut …”
AND PLEASE NOTE THAT at comment No. 132, April 16, 2012 at 3:31 am, he admitted
“sememangnya saya kurang penyabar, cepat rimas dan tak suka putar-belit gaya bahasa halus.”
But he laughed at a general statement I made by saying, “Yang saya rasa cukup lucu ialah pernyataan yang mengatakan bahawa kerakyatan orang bukan Melayu “diberi” pada saat pembentukan Persekutuan Tanah Melayu.”
Again, he didn’t have to be rude – he could just state his arguments.
His words like “Interpretasi Anon … itu bukan sahaja sempit tetapi telah menyimpang” may be tolerable. But his words were badly ill chosen when saying “Saudara Anon pun sedar Perkara 153 adalah sangat kontroversial dalam penderafannya, dan telah disifatkan kewujudan fasal tersebut adalah satu bentuk penghinaan dan yang mengaibkan orang Melayu.”
He should not just utter anything in any manner he liked especially after admitting “sememangnya saya kurang penyabar, cepat rimas dan tak suka putar-belit gaya bahasa halus.”
Then he accused me of “menganiaya orang lain atas alasan padang tak rata.” Isn’t that more than “a bit too much”, Helen? The word “aniaya” means “kezaliman, penindasan, penyeseksaan.”
In comment No.142 (and now the comments have reached 222), I began using the word “tidak bijak” and advised him
“Saya sekarang sudah nampak kemungkinan tidak ada guna melayan anda juga jika berterusan menuduh liar. Menuduh orang “itu bodoh namanya” pilak. Maka kalu kamu di maki hamun akibat kata kata dan tindakan begitu, anda jangan marah. Akan saya layan lagi secara decorum jika anda tidak terus menuduh liar.
Kamu perlu sedar bahawa perkataan “goon” telah di gunakan melihat kata kata kesat yang kamu gunakan dalam komen komen kamu kapada samshul, dan komen saya kapada komen anda kapada saya pukul 3 pagi tadi ada lah reciprocal bahasa nya. Maka anda di nasihatkan mengelakkan bahasa kesat selepas ini.”
But in his next comment he began showing the “high” and the “low” mood – in comment No. 143, at 11:36 am he said, “Saya tahu, Anon bukan mengertak, hanya sekadar nak mengingatkan. Terima kasih.” (good mood).
Then later on, he uttered (bad mood)
“Anon tertidur kat mana-mana dan tak baca berita ke? Sepanjang 20 tahun yang lepas Anon kat luar negara, baru balik semalam melalui KLIA? … jangan buat bodoh apabila buktinya sudah kat depan mata, nanti jadi seperti lembu dicucuk hidung.”
I haven’t re-checked thoroughly, but it was he who first made the “gila” insinuation – in comment No. 149, he said:
Saya tak mengatakan perkadaran 80% itu datang dari Perlembagaan Malaysia, kenapa saya kena cari buktinya? Anon bodoh ke gila?
That was unnecessary and uncalled for, wasn’t it? Yet I replied him in a civil manner, up to comment No. 153.
But again he was on a high mood and at 154, he said,
Anon kiranya sudah macam badut. … Habis, Anon hanya nak mula berbicara apabila sudah mendapat angka yang memihak kepada pendapat Anon? … Ini circular logic ke dah gila?
Then at comment 156 he arraigned penyokong ketuanan, insinuated that Shamshul “terus tipu atau tertipu? Tak takut dosa ke? Tak takut api neraka dan akhirat?”
He didn’t have to go into all those, unless he was on the “high” mood.
Note that others also find his style unacceptable. See 168. penyokongketuanan | April 15, 2012 at 10:45 pm and the many comments by samshul to whom he has also been rude.
I stayed out of the discussion until comment No. 209. I talked about Larut, the betrayal of the gangsters leading to British colonization and about give and take, enlisting in the military etc. Then came the very objectionable words in the fellow’s comment at No 210, accusing me of being an extremist equaled to the Dong Zong:
Golongan macam Anon dan pelampau DJZ-lah yang perlu kita tangani, bagi saya, tiada beza antara kedua-duanya.
That is not too much, Helen?
I note that you have taken his side. That’s your prerogative. We have disagreed in the past but always with decency and decorum. But this bloke is too much. That he may not be DAPster does not give him immunity from the kind of treatment meted out to rude DAPsters and replies in kind. I stand by my words against him. And he has not denied them.
I have googled the word “Bipolar” after reading and watching documentaries about Winston Churchill and his visions of a “Black Dog” when his bad moods appeared. Bipolar is in fact half madness unless the symptoms are controlled by psychotic pills. This hate fellow becomes ugly possibly when his bad moods appeared – and he has admitted ““sememangnya saya kurang penyabar, cepat rimas ..”, like Churchill was when not taking his pills.
I have no problem with others who comment in the normal manner, no rude words and accusations of a personal nature. For example, HuaYong with whom we at times diasagreed but have mutual respect for each other.
Have a good day, Helen.
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Anon,
I have an idea of I-hate-N’Sync’s combative writing style having come across his comments in other blogs before (you can Google) & he’s a commenter of some years’ standing.
Re: “I note that you have taken his side”. Well, he provides a most necessary balance due to this blog being Malay-reader dominated & the others mostly on your ‘side’ (POV on 153 & other subjects).
As my favourite agree-to-disgree commenter, you will cut him some slack (can?) & likewise I hope he’ll extend the same to you & we can all begin a fresh page yah?
Helen
First of all Helen, I am sorry if I’ve offended Anon and he felt your online space is contaminated. Since I am the perceived contaminant, my apologies are to you. You gave us a platform, and I have upset some of your regulars.
I am, however, not sorry over whatever word I used in my replies to Anon or anyone else. I know a lot of people who get upset with the words I used or the way I used them. The point is simple, whether delivered at the tip of a lance or served on a platter, I think the former gets more attention, and judging by the reaction I get it makes my work much easier.
People with strong convictions and opinions think through their arguments. When encountering differing positions, they must be able to defend them. We first present our respective stand, clarify them and then move on into specifics. When Shamshul committed a falsehood regarding a non-existent 80% quota for Malays in civil service, it was important, but it doesn’t mean the DEB was built on a false foundation. You think those who walks the corridor of power and those in the know (the intelligentsia) are not aware that there wasn’t a specified quota for those licenses, permits and intake for tertiary education and civil service? Our debate could have furthered on the premise of what is considered “reasonable” – which has a contextual and situational and periodical element. And to achieve the goals of Article 153, there are many ways to skin a cat.
Instead of moving in that direction, Shamshul was more upset that he is being insulted. His own personal being being insulted was more important than his defence of the special position of the Malays via the various initiatives under DEB. Same thing with Anon. He harped on the so called treachery of the Chinese, about their ungratefulness and he expects people to just take his interpretation of past events and should not question them. Again, like Shamshul, he was more upset about their own online identity and reputation being slandered than defending the sequence of events that led to his unfortunate and erroneous conclusion about the Larut wars and Pangkor treaty.
I have no doubt I can be more friendly, gentle, patient and understanding, but why should I? I make my points, and if people like Anon and Shamshul is more concerned about the style than the substance, so be it. I would rather I get my message across, cold, ruthless or disrespectful, as long as I get it to them. No counter arguments so far, except on my persona. Who gives a flying copulation about I hate N’Sync’s personality, tendencies and peculiarities? I are here to talk about issues, debate and exchange viewpoints, not built personal cults and social rapport.
your style remind me of SatDe of”Pure Shite “, maybe you should have go at him. he just as pointy and abrasive.
Yeh ,the both of you dont allow fools to suffer silently.
Just to add a bit on the stupidity of saying that I am full of hate because I use a nick called I hate N’Sync. Many in this blog outright expressed their hate for DAPsters, etc. etc. etc., and I AM THE HATER here? It is a nick, get over it. How shallow and stupid can one get, to base one’s argument on a nick? I don’t have any problems with Anon using anon, and I don’t make the inference that Anon is a coward who cannot even give his nick an identity. I also don’t think Shamshul is any particularly braver because he used a probable name. Sheesh!
We’re all the same,
You also added penyokong ketuanan “Melayu” to my name. It might not be far wrong, but it’s still an assumption.
Thank you anyway for making me rethink some of the things I took for granted by your lecture and debate.
Semoga kita dapat hidup aman di bumi bertuah ini.
I hate nsync,
Wise sage often say a lot of things on those who like to assume, meaning people like you.
My name is Shamshul Anuar. I think I a braver than you are as I am sure your mother did not put you as ” I hate Nsyc’ in your Surat Beranak.
i did not put falsehood by saying that 80% quota. and i did not base on what Dr mahathir said. I knew 20 years ago .
You are the one who create imaginary story about style or substance .
But actually your disgusting attitude( not that you realise it
) does not surprise me. I am so used of this tactic. ah. so typical of people from DAP.
Ridicule people who criticize or offer opinion that not in line with your argument. Twist the word and called people “liar’. Adopt moral high ground( although atiitude says anything but of moral high ground) by chiding people by asking “takut neraka”.
Mock people by underestimating aspiration just because they are malays. Belittle the generosity of
then Malay Rulers who granted citizenship in scale unheard in any other part of the world.
Uncouth and proud of it. question people who dare to criticize DAP as having hatred in their heart, ignoring the very word that you put here, pronouncing your own name.
Sidelining true concern on Malay rights by saying about abuse as if challenging Malay rights will solve abuse cases.
Fail to put your argument but spend most times in insulting people. ah/ so typical of Kit siang. so typical og Guan eng.
Screw Guan Eng, and screw DAP too. If it is up to me, political sycophants need not pretend to have any cognitive capabilities.
Yes, Shamshul, you are braver than Tongkat Waran, Chedet, Arena Wati and everyone on earth who uses a pseudonym. It is extremely unfortunate that the extra bravery does not convert into additional intelligence, and I AM genuinely very sorry about that.
People hate me for mocking them, but please, I am not mocking you because you are a Malay, I just like to mock stupidity, irregardless of their race. Maybe it is my favourite past time, who knows.
You are willing to write all the above and yet you are unwilling to admit till this day that there is no specified quota in the Constitution. You said that you knew about the quota 20 years ago, so why on earth are you telling everyone that the 80% is in the Constitution when it isn’t? Aren’t you lying? Do you know what is the meaning of a lie? To tell a falsehood when you know something is untrue, i.e. the Constitution did not specify a quota at 80% for civil service. You see, I knew too about the quota under DEB, but it was a happy occassion to correct your error, and the error of others about this so called Constitutionally protected quota at 80%.
I have said it before, it is legitimate to protect Malay interests. Fully legitimate I say. But don’t give me false generosity and lies to justify the unreasonableness and corruption in execution. Just because someone is from your own “kind”, you should protect their wrongs and errs.
Oh dear,
Here you go again. Accusing people of tolerating corruption from “own” kind.
Do enlighten me (and others including your mother I hope) where in in my writing that i said I tolerate corruption.
But you are right once. thank God. at least once . I am braver than you are. Oh spare us of your snobbish attitude. No need to mention TonkatWaran. You are a perfect example. I am sure that you are not “i hate …” in your Surat Beranak.
Yes. I knew it 20 years ago. well not 20 years ago. 25 years ago to be exact. Yes sir in 1987 when I studied “perlembagaan’.
80% is not created out of thin air. so to speak. You can, like your “trademark” accusing people of falsehood( similarity to DAP that everyone notice) but I would not say something that is not true.
Take it easy “I hate Nsync”. I am sure you can accept criticism after giving ascerbic comments on others. Just because you like to spin( a hallmark of DAP) do not assume others are so eager to follow your sordid footstep.
Anon is right about you. A snobbish person that loves to spin) just like the equally snobbish cult in DAP).
Ah, again, still not acknowledging the lie eh?
Of course I can take criticism, I have absolutely no problems with insults even. I leave everyone with this remark by Tun Dr. Ismail in 1970,
“I regard the special position of the Malays as a handicap given to the Malays with the consent of all the other races who have become citizens of this country so as to enable the Malays to compete on equal footing for equal opportunities in this country. That and that alone is the only aim of the special position of the Malays. But UNFORTUNATELY the Malays themselves have tended to give the impression conciously or unconciously that the special position of the Malays is a sign that the Malays are placed superior to the other races in the country. The biggest mistake that the Malays made of course was to coin the term Bumiputra because this term tended to convery and entirely different meaning to what was intended for the special position of the Malays. By coining Bumiputra the non-Malays suspected the Malays of wanting to classify themselves as first-class citizens while they were relegated to second-class.”
Malay rights? For years now it has been about Malay dominance!
I hate nsync,
Again, you are right. Malays( through UMNO ) dominates in political aspect But it earns the domination. How? By winning the most number of seats in parliament. So. That is the secret of malay dominating in politics. No big secret actually. It is neither sinful nor complicated. Rather, the dominance comes from winning in politics.
But you are wrong( usually you are by looking through tinted glass) to term it as “special position” of Malays. Nothing special about it. Rather, the provision was made possible in consideration of Malay rulers granting citizenships to non Malays ( meaning to your father, grandfathers and so on).
But of course, to you or DAP, it is impossible for Malays to “possess” any good values. By insisting on separate school system, DAP is actuaaly telling the world that it is wrong to integrate with other Malaysians.
Maybe by advising DAP that no other countries allow such nonsense, then you or DAP will be more “palatable” to the Malays. .
Dear Shamshul,
I refer to your statement “… (the Malays) earns the domination. How? By winning the most number of seats in parliament. So that is the secret of Malay dominating in politics. No big secret actually. It is neither sinful nor complicated. Rather, the dominance comes from winning in politics.”
I want to start by acknowledging your point that the political dominance of the Malays through the electorate is legitimate. This is a very important point which all of us must remember. Even in developed countries like the United States and the European countries, the ethnic composition of the electorate matters. Even if ethnicity is a crude marker of common consensus, it is still influential as the ballot box forms the power base of the ruling class. The idea, of course, assumes some kind of political hegemony by race.
I am going to put that path of argument aside and accept, at this stage, the political dominion of the Malays. My next question would be its implications. Lets not first go on tangent about the DAP insisting a separate school system. DAP’s record with DJZ is not new, but I think MCA and Gerakan are just equally as guilty.
When Shamshul said that the Malay dominance in politics is natural and legitimate, Shamshul should realize that this means that the Malay electorate is responsible for the decisions mandated through this political system of ours. I know it is unfair, as PAS, PKR and UMNO do disagree on a few major positions. But UMNO is the dominant party in BN, just like how together, PAS and PKR dominates PR. This is the reality, and I invite our fellow countrymen (and women) to think about what this truly means. Majority-minority relations mean that the Malays and non-Malays must find a way to co-exist, to collaborate and to unite. Unfortunately for humanity (and not just the Malays specifically), nation states around the world has a poor history of treating their minorities. I don’t even have to go very far to pick examples, and even among the whites, what happened to the Australian aborigines and native Americans can only spell shame.
All over the world, majority-minority rights have always depended on specific political contexts. An unassimilable minority group is always a problem, and one special treatment will lead to more exclusivity, and that is always bad news if the majority perceives them to be costly concessions. Think about what happened to the Muslims in the US and Europe after 911. It is to the credit that hate crimes are brought under control swiftly by the reaction of the ruling elites, but it only takes one and the picture in the streets could have been very different.
Industrialization and modernization did not loosen the grips of ethnocentrism, in fact, in some cases, it strengthens them. Widespread insecurity, anxiety and frustration forced people to turn to religio-cultural traditions to protect and preserve their ethnic identity. Case in point, awareness and the desire to counter the elements of westernization in our society has led to calls for a national culture and identity. Hitherto the country embarks on a costly path to nationalize parts of our societal fabric, a painful process to deepen the “us-them” differences and provides the fodder for hostility against the unassimilable crowd. Nation building is a homogenization exercise and this, for better or worse, brings into public conflict on what was originally left unspecified.
So lets ask ourselves, since we are now entrenched in a situation where the Malays (collectively) have been enjoying political dominion and the Chinese (as perceived) are said to still have economic dominion. I am not too sure where the Indians and other Bumiputras come in, but lets ask ourselves where is this analogy supposed to lead us. Is Shamshul saying that this natural and legitimate right is only normal, including when the Chinese lose their economic dominion too? Afterall, the Malays are the majority in this country, so technically, they should have the largest portion of the wealth, health, crime and everything, no?
This is the majority-minority question I want to ask Shamshul. What will satisfy the demands of the majority? Total hegemony? If the Malay have this so called political dominion (and it is a natural and legitimate right as claimed), to what end will this dominion be used for? Is our context of debate is centered on the dominion of the majority, what is the majority’s responsibility over the minorities (and not just the Chinese?). This is a question that the ruling elite have been trying to grapple since pre-Independence days, and our Constitution reflects a compact which they tried to make it work. It is harder to accommodate, I know. It is far easier to wield the stick of majority power to whip others into submission.
The real reason why Malaysia is a wonder to many others in the world, and rightly so, is why the majority has not hegemonize the minorities as efficiently as our neighbours (Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, Singapore included). I don’t attribute it to some altruistic generosity by race, I attribute it to our Constitution which was negotiated by our forefathers. They first drew the lines in the sand, and even though the tides of time have washed away or altered their intentions, the original benchmark remains.
This is the reason for the unique Malaysian compromise at all levels and areas of our daily lives. Today, we are seeing how things have evolved and are evolving. The growing political and economic dominion of the Malays are creating new insecurities and fears. Some do not understand why, in the position of power, the majority needs to concede anything further to the minorities. This is the new concern here, our collective future in a Malaysia where the old compact can no longer be applied.
Does it help when the matter of citizenship is raised again to silence the minorities into submission? Do the majority have a natural and legitimate responsibility for the minorities? Can the majority and the minorities draw a new compact to reassure each other of their rights and co-existence? It has been more than 50 years now, and it would be a lie to not acknowledge how far we have come, even with the hiccups and blunders.
It is not that the minorities view the majority with suspicion or prejudice. The minorities are now looking at the majority to see if the saying “with great power comes great responsibilities” is true. I cannot speak for others, but I can speak for myself. I am asking if the majority can see that they have a responsibility with their growing socio-political and economic dominion.
yeah yeah yeah another excellent post.
the typical reply when anyone question the responsibilities and accountabilities are 1) constitution 2) i am worst then u so who u r to complain 3) referendum 4) the 40 1msia alibaba, to be exact is 27 after much clarification made.
opps I forgot another one 5) 513.
to sum up 1) (mis)interpretation 2) red herring 3) tyranny of the majority 4) exaggeration and 5) intimidation
democracy at it’s best.
i hate Nsync,
Do remember that the issue of dominance comes from you actually. I just explained it how Malay dominates the politics , just like how Chinese dominates the economy.
The issue of citizenship is not raised to threaten the Chinese. Rather to remind the Chinese not to forget their “provision” side in the Constitution when the Chinese gives tacit approval to DAP to challenge Malay rights.
If the Malays wants to threaten the Chinese, they have ample time to do that. Particularly at one time UMNO alone controlled almost 70% of Parliamentary seats.
Despite continous DAP’s slander on UMNO, I see the latter’s rule as a symbol of generosity and inspiration when it comes on race relation. Where minorities in other countries often laments how they are raped, forced to renounce names or forced to relinquish identity or restricted in commercial aspect or politics, the reverse is true in Malaysia.
Here the minority refuses to integrate with the majority and insist on peculiar system of separate school completely funded by Federal Govt but INSIST on the Federal Govt has no say on its administration. Here the minority insist on “mandarin is preferred” where in the West, such word alone will land them in trouble and deemed racist.
Here at stroke of a pen, more than 1 million citizenships were then granted ( or rather 9 pens for 9 Sultans) WHEREAS in other countries, citizenship is granted in a very clear way to favour the majority. HERE the minority can win in Malay Majority area WHILE DAP goes on and on accusing UMNO as racist.
HERE the issue of Cow Head was give n prominence as if whole Muslim community insulted Hindus WHILE the horse statue was intentionally burnt in shah Alam in front of Muslim houses was not even mentioned.
But in Malaysia only that some minority go on and on accusing Malays( meaning UMNO) to engineer May 13, 1969 when it is clear that they went assaulting Malays in particular in Kg Baru that triggered May 13. Some Chinese friends were red faced when I brought them to Kg Baru and let them talked to all these “haji and Lebais” who witnessed the carnage .
ONLY IN MALAYSIa. minority shows no effort( of course not all) to integrate with Malays. Many simply are arrogant to admit that Malays also have concerns and aspirations . Simply voicing these concerns are not sign of arrogance.
ONLY in Malaysia, some minorities try to reject what is rights of Malays because of some weak implementation of DEB.
And yet, they dare to lecture the Malays on embracing unity when they themselves refuse to accept the Malays and worse still gives tacit approval to DAP to wage war on the Malays
If they tolerates DAP’s waging war on the Malays, then they must accept the backlash.
Dear Shamshul,
Yes, Malay domination in the politics is natural and legitimate and should be perpetuated, Chinese domination in the economy is not.
“The issue of citizenship is not raised to threaten the Chinese. Rather to remind the Chinese not to forget their “provision” side in the Constitution when the Chinese gives tacit approval to DAP to challenge Malay rights.”
– Shamshul
I suppose you interpreted Chinese votes for DAP (and indirectly, PR) as the electorate’s “tacit approval” to challenge Malay rights. Right, no Chinese can vote for DAP for any other reason. Dude, do you even know why do we have elections?
I thank you for your reminder to the Chinese Malaysians to not vote for DAP because it sends our Malay brethren the wrong message. I do wish you would remind Malaysians to respect the democratic process rather than be prejudicial to the people’s choices.
I find your expositions on threats and UMNO rather illuminating. I usually think of UMNO’s antics and posturing during the general assembly to be play-acting, and I didn’t realize they were channeling the sentiments of the Malays. I think we have a lot of evidence of UMNO threatening the Malays (i.e. orang Melayu akan hilang kuasa) and the other races (i.e. jangan mencabar orang Melayu) through the various speeches by the perwakilans.
I think I might have diagnosed the problem you are facing Shamshul, you are attributing all the positives to UMNO, and ignoring the Constitution. I cannot see how SRJKs is your evidence for refusal to integrate with the majority, as the vernacular schools are part of the national education system. The West has bilingual education too, but I am more than happy to engage you on that point later.
You speak of all the hurt and upset as if the Malays have not enjoyed preferencial treatment and advantages after the non-Malays have been granted citizenship. I repeat, you speak of all the hurt and upset as if the Malays have not enjoyed preferencial treatment and advantages after the non-Malays have been granted citizenship.
I don’t know about your Chinese friends, but hajis and lebais are not historians, and come to think of it, neither is Kua KS. Of course the Malays have concerns and aspirations, and I think it is hard to think of the Malays as arrogant, only the Chinese in Malaysia enjoy that exclusive label.
What happens to us other non-Malays who don’t vote for DAP, but are fed up with all the abuse and corruption of the administration? We should just shut up and suck it up?
Some Malays have gone on and on about the legitimacy to raise citizenship matters when they felt that their special position is being questioned. You know what I say? You have your special position and way more for years, and you expect the eternal gratitude from the current and future generations of Malaysian born non-Malays? Is it too difficult for you to imagine the sense of injustice and outrage by younger Malaysians who do not understand why they are being discriminated? To make things worse, you are looking at plunderers and looters, and yet you cannot criticize them because if you do, you will be told to leave the country. Wake up Shamshul and open your eyes, it is not that the non-Malays do not want to integrate, they are being told that they cannot be integrated as they are non-bumiputras!
I Hate N’Sync,
What a great name !
I have a lot of respect for you and your way of debating even though we might not be on the same page on all issues. However, this is the kind of debate that we should encourage and engage on,as it makes us to think harder and see the issues from the other perspective. Sadly such debate is a rare commodity these days.
Let’s come to this issue. I do agree on some points that Shamsul has argued while I do agree and see the logic behind the points that you have put forward as well.
Please allow me to clarify what Shamsul is trying to convey, as I see it.
I think what he and others are saying is not so much that voting for DAP is wrong or implies a challenge to the Malay rights. But many Malays associate DAP with what the party has done in the past. The party’s record has been one of built on “Malaysian Malaysia”, Malaysian First and meritocracy. In plain language and in reality, all these slogans implies that they are against Malay special rights/ Article 153 and the NEP,etc. While on the otherhand,MCA though not too happy with these provisions, but had accepted these in exchange for citizenship.mother tongue education,etc.
So for many Malays, voting for DAP means rejecting the very foundation of the nation – ie the constituition and the social contract that was agreed by the founding fathers.
They are upset that DAP not only wants all the rights and concessions that the Chinese were granted under these agreements while rejecting the same concessions granted to the Malays. I think this is the crux of the matter.
I don’t think the Malays are not accepting vernacular schools but they think it is hypocrisy to say that we want equal rights and we are Bangsa Malaysia and reject division by ethnicity but on the other hand insisting to keep the vernacular education which divides the nation by language.
I don’t think the Malays tolerate corruption or mismanagement anymore than the non Malays. That is the reason why many Malays voted against BN in the last GE.
It is also incorrect to assumethat the bumis don’t understand the sense of frustration of the non bumis on some of the affirmative policies. In fact many Malays I speak with agree that the NEP can be finetuned further to prevent abuses. Many Malays (and Indians like me) also feel that they are not being given a fair treatment in the Chinese owned and controlled businesses.
In fact I think we have come to a stage where we can work out a more updated Social Contract where both sides can compromise and finetune their positions and policies to move to the next stage of Malaysia’s development.
However, the problem is that the Malays now see Pakatan is no better, in fact worse off than BN in terms of corruption and mismanagement. They also worried that with the divided Malay votes among PKR, PAS and UMNO, the biggest winner is DAP. That DAP has become so assertive and in fact can take control of Penang,Perak and effectively Selangor is something that frightened the Malay electrorate. That possibilty that DAP can even win control of Melaka and NS is the stuff of Malay nightmare.
The issue is that Pakatan and DAP could have offered a real alternative to BN by addressing these national issues in a non racial manner. But by playing on racial and religious issues, what we have, as Helen is saying, a two-race system instead of two-party system.
I used to be a DAP supported too until 2008. I have seen with my own eyes in Penang how DAP behaves once it assumes power. There were mismanagement and abuses under Gerakan and BN, but these are miniscule compared to the dictatorial and hubris of the Dear Leader regime.
Let’s not kid ourselves, a vast majority of Chinese are voting DAP because it offers a cleaner and better governance, it is purely due to their desire to end policies they perceive as discriminatory (Article 153, the NEP,etc). I am willing to bet that if Khir Toyo jumps to DAP, many Chinese would vote for him without a second thought with DAPsters defending him as being framed.
So, it is not the Malays fault that they perceive DAP as a racist party, for DAP is the author of their own negative image.
Dear En. Shamshul Anuar,
I respect your passion in engaging “I hate N’Sync” with an intellectual discourse with regards to History of Malaysia and Politics of Malaysia.
Just like you said, “If they (Malaysian Chinese) tolerates DAP’s waging war on the Malays, then they must accept the backlash.”.
I am looking forward to GE 13 and for Malaysian Chinese to vote in absolute or exactly (Approximately 90%) for DAP and associate political parties that support DAP.
It is time for “Duduk bersimpuh, tertunduk malu!” of the Malaysian Bumiputera to end. Yes!, I am afraid but at the same time I am excited.
Engaging “I hate N’Sync” is a futile effort. Neither will he accepts history nor will he accepts Malay Leadership. He will keeps spinning it.
Every Malaysian is give “Freedom of Choice”, let us Malaysian make a choice and live with it.
i think shamshul is doing fine, he is at least sincere to his cause and put forward his arguement in consistent manner, i could have miss some of his good comment in the past.
Yes ,the danger is when both side, belief there is no point talk any more.
while one side still tries to engage the other , there is hope……..
Calvin,
Thanks for your comment. that is exactly what I am trying to convey.
It is hypocrisy to talk about a united Malaysia while at the same time insist that even non Chinese teachers who teaches Malay at chinese schools be transffered out. So Chinese school will be a school system with no non chinese teachers too. Imagine students who have no experience in talking or let alone dealing with other races.
Scary is it not. So, Calvin you are right. Tell me why the malays should trust DAP. Or forget the rejected UMNO politicians who join DAP after not being chosen as election candidate.
Contrary to I hate Nsync assertion, I am not harping on act of granting citizenship to non Malay ij my writing. Rather I want to remind the people like I hate Nsync that there is a sort of bargain that needs to be honored by both sides. When one party starts to question the deal( such as that enshrined in Constitution) then be ready to have your side of stories to be questioned.
It is a human nature. As Malay correctly say it all along. “Jika sesat jalan baliklah ke permulaannya”. Meaning if DAP starts challenging what perceived as rights of malays, then I will also start questioning the citizenship that the malay Rulers granted that resulted in Kit Siang status changed from immigrant in 1957 to full fledged citizenship.
MAN JEBAT,
I am forced to reply to I hate Nsync( name also refers to sth negative) as he insinuated me in his reply to Anon.
And i stress again I have nothing against Chinese. I have many close firends who are Chinese.
As for DAP claiming to represent “malaysian Malaysia”, I know that it is what we term as “bullshit”. DAP represents “lim dynasty”. Even it can be debated it caters to Chinese interest as what it only does as long as I can remember is poisoning Chinese mind that time is ripe to wrest control of malaysia( politically) which I believe will trigger another Malay_cHinese collision, only at severity level many times than that of May 13
As I told many of my chinese friends, they do not have to be feeling guilty in rejecting DAP that thrives by slandering malays as racist.
Dear Shamshul & Calvin,
I suspect we all share more similarities than differences on a lot of things, and that our disagreements, factual or sentiment-wise, are not so severe as to affect the bond that binds us as Malaysians.
The question that I am trying to ask here is whether we will be able to update the social contract or compact without negating our achievements thus far. THIS IS THE KEY POINT. Affirmative action for the majority has transpired for more than three decades, citizenships have already been granted. I know Shamshul is advocating that we go back to the point where all this started, and I am saying that it is a fallacious position. We can no more reset the citizenship of the non-Malays than to undo all the priviledges given to the Malays and Bumiputeras. Itu semua sudah lepas, kerakyatan dah bagi, permit dan quota dah bagi. We ARE honoring the Merdeka compact. The question is how we can continue to protect the special position of the Malays without it being a point of contention among the electorate? Nobody will question the need for assistance for the backward Malays and Bumiputera in Malaysia. As a matter of fact, nobody should question the need to break monopolies and economic domination in the hands of a select few (tax the bloody rich!). The problem with all these generalized perceptions ignore or victimizes the middle class and wealthy Malays and the poor and downtrodden non-Malays.
I know this is more of a political platform than anything else, and hence, everything is couched in UMNO, MCA, DAP, PKR-like ideologues. This is the more unfortunate part of our social reality, but shouldn’t the matter of UMNO’s dominance or DAP’s arrogance dealt with by their partners in the respective coalitions of BN or PR? Malays are not told to trust DAP, just like how the Chinese are not told to trust UMNO. Malays are told to give PR a chance, just like how the Chinese have given BN the chance all these while. Because we are all still working on a basis of elite bargaining system, it is the coalition that matters, not the party.
That’s why if DAP is going on it on their own, I doubt they can replicate their 2008 results. And because the PR states are generally perceived to be governed by the respective political parties (DAP – Penang, PAS – Kedah & Kelantan, PKR – Selangor) rather than by a coalition, it accentuates the ethnic and communal flavour. If the Malays like Shamshul and Mat Jebat cannot see why UMNO must help MCA and Gerakan and MIC to win back the votes of the non-Malays, and instead begrudge any further overtures or concessions, they are also equally as responsible as the other party in polarizing the electorate by race. Today you can said that Penang was lost to the Chinese, but a Chinese have been the Menteri Besar previously under BN. If the mentality is “I am the majority, so why should I give-in?” or “I call the shots around here, so you can leave if you don’t like it”, the Malays are actually forcing the non-Malays to seek out extremist counter positions.
It has been a very unhealthy 50 years on with BN the only viable multiracial coalition of choice. Today, PR is trying to do the same. If Malaysia gets two multiracial coalitions, the rakyat wins. The masses must learn to deal with issues on its merit, not by race. Both BN and PR is trying to learn to fight in a new environment.
Btw, I am not a fan of DJZ and I do not endorse their position. I see the need for a vernacular primary education system, but not the need for ICHS or any other secondary or tertiary education system based on anything other than the national language. However, that is not what we are trying to discuss here. The matter of national language and even the special position of the Malays and Bumiputera can stand on its own. This means that we don’t have to justify either as a bartered exchange. The need for one can be justified on its own merit.
n sync .Now that your position is more clearer , hope less sword fighting , more discussion. play nice boys
I hate nsync,
I have no intention of proposing that citizenships of non malays be revoked.
what i said is that Malays will start questioning the citizenships if DAP keeps on challenging the rights of Malays. and that will be unpleasant.
what malays are trying to say is that if DAP is challenging or questioning rights of Malays as enshrined in parliament, then malays see there is no reason why they must honour the the bargain.
As I said earlier, DAP thrives on slandering UMNO( meaning malay_) as racist when the opposite is the truth sooner or later malay and chinese will be on collision course.
I can vouch that DAP plays with racial sentiments. And it pitted malays against the Chinese. DAP keeps on challenging the malay rights and I believe it is testing the patience to the limit.
No malays blame Chinese or DAP for their predicaments. malays also have their weaknesses just like any other races.
But they are also aware how badly they are portrayed by DAP . malays are upset that everytime issues of importance to them are raised, DAP will just shoot down by saying that is UMNO’ tactic.
The latest being Bayan mutiara proposed mosque . Instead of answering the concern, Guan eng chooses to ignore the concern of malays.
That is why muslims see him as Yahudi
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Dear Shamshul,
For an effective multiracial coalition to work, DAP must be reined in by PAS and PKR. Similarly, UMNO’s excesses must be reined in by MCA, MIC etc. The corruption in the current ruling elites’s circle is as much as MCA’s responsibility as well as UMNO’s. Because component parties like MCA failed to play its part, BN suffers.
The days of a multiracial coalition is almost over, that’s true, but it does not mean that it hasn’t worked. It has worked very well for some time, until the balance was broken by a very strong and powerful PM from UMNO who decimated the strength of the legislative and judicial branches, concentrating extraordinary executive power in his hands. This is not to say Tun Mahathir is evil, it is because his manner of governance has reduced a meaningful role of the coalition.
All I am saying is that Shamshul should also point the finger to PAS and PKR to correct the excesses of DAP, and also get the PR system to run more effectively. If I am in the BN government, I would play up the role of the coalition and its collaborative framework rather than making UMNO the de-facto decision maker. Inside BN or outside BN, UMNO will always be a force to be reckoned with, the question here is how the game of perceptions will be played.
If PAS and PKR cannot rein in DAP and its perceived ethnic chauvinism, then it cannot ever hope to get to Putrajaya.
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You say: “DAP must be reined in by PAS and PKR”. What about the Kedah fatwa & do you see DAP reining in PAS’s push or do you reckon that for expediency (as in the case of ‘hudud’) & popular perception, DAP is willing to sweep PAS’s excesses under the carpet? — Helen
I hate Nsync,
The better and more effective way to rein DAP is through election. As i said earlier, it is high time for chinese to realize that supporting a party that interested on “lim dynasty” only will not do them any good.
As for hoping PAS or PKR to rein in DAP, you know that it is wishful thinking. PAS is using religion to poison the malays that questioning him is tantamount to questioning Prophet.
PKR is nothing more than a vehicle for Anwar to achieve his life ambition to be Prime minister.
If chinese wants MCA to be a forced to be reckoned with, then vote for MCA. as for UMNO, it dominates the political landscape especially Malay politics because despite warts and all, it is stilll the party with lion share of Malay votes.
It does deliver. Why it is treated as ‘big Brother’ in BN is simply because it holds the majority seats in BN. and all MCA and MIC politicians will be wiped out if not for Malay votes. That is the reason why UMNO is able to dictate BN’s decision. Even In Penang where Gerakan holds the Chairmanship of BN, all Bn ADUNs are from UMNO. Naturally everybody will claim that UMNO has more clout than Gerakan in penang.
At least in UMNO, you do not see a son replacing father as party president. Kit siang has been there from the days of Tunku. 5 UMNO presidents come and go but he is still there.
Dr Mahathir resigned at his peak. When are Kit Siang going to resign? And why his son is Chief minister of penang . Why the post not given to Penang DAP Chairman.
As for corruption, maybe DAP should look at its own party.
BN system works wonders. If not for BN, do you think Kamalanathan can win in hulu Selangor. Or Gerakan Wanita in Grik, a malay majority area. even when it was slandered as “kiliing Indians’, UMNO still think of non malays. It could easily field a malay in Hulu selangor but it still understand how difficult a minority to win in Malay area .without Malay support.
As for DAP, it only thinks of Lim dynasty. As such it could not be bothered that the Chinese is ‘separated’ from the malays. For DAP, it is much easier if chinese do not :”know’ the Malays. So, the prejudice flourishes.
Then It goes around the country telling that it cant accept race based system when it is the party that rejects any interaction among Malaysians.
That is hypocrisy of monumental proportion.
I think you have to be a bit careful about accusing the lims as a DAP dynasty. I am sorely tempted too, but then I remember, Onn Jaafar and Hussein Onn, Najib and Razak, so….
In any case, I think it would be wrong to ok UMNO’s excesses because it has majority support. How can MCA assert its position when it is being emasculated by UMNO? You said it yourself, UMNO SHOULD dominate, it is only natural. So, by your reasoning, it is only natural that MCA is the adik. Do you hate DAP because it upsets this “nature” of inter-ethnic relationship?
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I-hate-N’Sync,
Have a read, the rise of the Umno sons in comparison. — Helen
https://helenang.wordpress.com/2011/12/28/pakatan-punya-lah-ramai-pengikut-personality-cult/
i hate nsync,
They say call a spade a spade. Exactly “Lim dynasty” rules DAP. That is a reality.
what about it that you cant see? Guan eng meteoric rise is not that unnoticed in DAP circle itself. and I am asking the question again. why the post of chief Minister is not given to Penang DAP chairman? Why must Guan eng assume the post?
because he is Kit Siang’s son. This is what [eople term as “dynasty’.
As for Najib, none in UMNO gives him special treatmet simply because he is Tun razak’s son. And he only joined politics after his father’s death. Only after 33 years later, he takes over the post of Prime minister.
You can say anything about UMNo or Dr mahathir. But now Mukhriz is not even a Minister. If Dr Mahathir had wanted to appoint Mukhriz as menteri besar when he was the PM, who could argue with him.
But look at Kit siang. He is still there and his son bypassed the more senior DAP guy to be the chief minister.
I never condone corruption simply because UMNO rules the country. By all means if you have evidence, go and give tio Guan eng. no big deal.
as for UMNO’s dominance, I meant it comes naturally as it has the most number of seats in BN. It does not have to cry out loud insisting on recognition as the dominant player. It is treated as the the most senior party in BN and even outside BN.
I wonder why on earth this word “adik” comes here. And what is it with you that you think I am upset because DAP “upset” the nature of relationship.
I am upset because DAP is continously slandering UMNO and the by extension, the malays. i am upset after being told by Haji and lebai on what Kit siang did that resulted in May 13.
I am upset because DAP never once shows sincerity in advising the chinese that the way to go is integrate with other Malaysians. instead, DAP continue to poison Chinese and this will bring them into collision course with the Malays.
I do not believe DAP as it shows a very anti Malay attitude. remember the word “hitam metalik”? i am upset tht DAP is waging war on the Malays by challenging their rights as enshrined in Constitution.
For the uninitiated like you, it may come as a surprise to hear that no Malays are surprise if UMNO one day vanished. Because malays do remember what “kuranic verses’ told; that God can give and take your power faster than split second.
But should UMNO fall, the malays must accept that they will ruled by Oahudi ( meaning DAP). and their fate will be no different from that of Arabs after the demise of Ottoman Empire.
By the way, the truth is that Lim dynasty controls any aspect of DAP. Karpal is the Chairman that give multi racial flavour but the real power is still in Lim Dynasty for the past 40 years. A world record I believe by the most racist party in the world.