Prof. James UH Chin is a Sarawakian who co-edited the recent book on Pak Lah titled The Awakening – The Abdullah Badawi Years In Malaysia.
He published an article yesterday touching on the “rise and rise of right-wing Islamic politics in the peninsula” and how this development enables the federal power to “impose their will on East Malaysia”.
Below are two excerpts from Chin’s article ‘East Malaysia: primus inter pares’.
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“The RCI [Royal Commission of Inquiry] has been told numerous times that the highest levels in the federal government, during the Mahathir era, gave thousands of Muslim Filipinos and Indonesians Malaysian citizenship to ensure that Sabah became a Muslim-majority state in less than a decade. From 1970 to 2010, Sabah’s population increased by 390 percent! This was to guarantee Muslim political hegemony and ensured that the native Kadazandusun, previously the majority in Sabah, will never be able to politically challenge a Muslim-led leadership, both in Kota Kinabalu and Putrajaya. One witness, a civil servant who issued the Malaysian identity cards illegally, openly told the RCI he saw it as his duty to ensure Muslim dominance.”
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“Today, there is intense political competition and constant tensions between the Muslim and non-Muslim population in both states, and racial tensions so prevalent in Malaya is starting to manifest in East Malaysia. The younger Muslims from East Malaysia are starting to distance themselves from their non-Muslim neighbours and becoming super sensitive to all issues pertaining to Islam, mirroring the breakdown of racial relations in the peninsula.”
The rest of James Chin’s article can be read at the New Mandala.
If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em
What is a power-hungry DAP 3.0 politician to do in a situation of Muslim political hegemony? Answer: Out-Islam the Muslim politicians.
What are power-hungry DAP 3.0 chameleons to do in a situation where they will never be able to politically challenge a Muslim-led leadership? Answer: Mimic the image of the Muslim-led leadership.
What are power-hungry DAP 3.0 evangelistas to do in a situation where the swing voters see it as their duty to ensure Muslim dominance? Answer: Subvert the ‘system’ and divert the dominance to one’s self following the successful mimicry.
MCA vice president Gan Ping Sieu has a wow, terribly impressive suggestion. He proposes that religious extremists be blacklisted as “registrable persons”.
Does GPS’s “religious extremists” include evangelista politicians who pander to the rise and rise of right-wing Islamic politics in the peninsula?
Helen Ang 
“Does GPS’s “religious extremists” include evangelista politicians who pander to the rise and rise of right-wing Islamic politics in the peninsula?”
Above statement make me smile Helen. It is a suitable answer to a not so smart tweet.
;D sarah
I beg to differ. GPS was actually being smart when making tweeting that seemingly innocuous remark.
If his suggestion is adopted, most PAS extremist quacks will be in the list. So too will most UMNO leaders + a few from PKR, Perkasa, Jalur Tiga etc. Throw in the smattering of religiously deviant Indians from MIC & PKR. And of course the born again Hallelujah-ians + religious chameleons of DAP will be included.
Who would be left? GPS, CSL & a few others.
Wow! I’m terribly impressed with his intellectual prowess in trying to make MCA relevant again in his lifetime.
Hahaha. Tweet to him, pls.
Helen, ulasan Tanda Putera untuk HY, HH, ACDC yang cheapskate nak tengok filem tu, walaupun komen bagai nak rak!
http://jebatmustdie.wordpress.com/2013/09/05/tanda-putera-a-depiction-from-historical-accounts/
Prof James Chin, your view could be taken as reasonable until one realise you are looking as colonised Chinese Christian.
There is nothing wrong with being Muslim. What is wrong is with Europeans priests from German, Holland, Bulgaria France Italy etc brain washing the native Kadazans with Jews mythology. According to oxford definition Jesus Christ was Jew priest. Therefore your argument against malays from the peninsula fail as Jews have no locus standi at all in Borneo and the spread of the belief Chrisitanity as in Phillipines is to ensure ready maid slaves for europe.
Besides Prof Chin think that it is ok for the Europeans to colonise the Phillipines Malays into Catholic Christians but not ok for Sabah Kadazans to be Muslims.
The rising tensions between Muslims and Christians in Sabah mirrors the tensions in the Phillipines between the Christianised polynesians and the muslims polynesians. The phillipines are polynesians but the US and Spain brought in Christianised people so that Phillipines become a backward Catholic country like Ireland. And in Ireland it is a fight between Christians and Christians while in Egypt and Syria it is a fight between muslims and muslims.
So thinks are more complicated then this simple minded Chinese Christian think the world is black and white.
Do not make the Malays the black sheep of the Jews Christians. If Federated Malay States had not gained independence in 1957, do you think that the British would have relinquished Sabah and Sarawak? So of course the independence of Malaya is a prequisite to the independence of Sabah and Sarawak stupid. Without independent Malaya there would not be independent Sabah and Sarawak! Get it?
Independent Federated Malay States,
Quote: “There is nothing wrong with being Muslim. What is wrong is with Europeans priests from German, Holland, Bulgaria France Italy etc brain washing the native Kadazans with Jews mythology.”
There is nothing wrong being Muslim but it is so wrong it bordered around the charge of treason if citizenship is given illegally to illegals to artificially inflate the Muslim population.
Please don’t compare such treasonous act with the Christian missionaries who convert through the gospel and good works. Believers accept Christianity on their own freewill, and just as easily, renounced their faith if they chose to. No strings attached.
And before they adopted the word Polynesians or Austronesians, they were toying the idea of having the word Malays to aptly define their far and wide bangsa.
Pan Malay Unity.
‘In 1879, he authored a bill in the Hawaiian parliament–the first democratically elected national parliament in Austronesia–to formally declare Hawai’i as an Asiatic Malay state and went around the world in 1881 making visits to Japan, China, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, and India. King Kalākaua through discussions with Maharajah Sultan Abubakar bin Tuan Ibrahim of Johor, Malaysia, began to formulate the idea of “Pan-Malay Unity” and discussed the idea of a federation to combat colonialism.’
http://www.carigold.com/portal/forums/archive/index.php/t-398144.html
‘However, racially, those within Polynesia, Micronesia, and Malaysia were all considered “Malay” legally. In fact, there were attempts to re-unify the region through the names “Oceania” though the term “Malay race” as defined by Blumenbach and “Polynesian” was used interchangeably and accepted by King Kalakaua of Hawai’i, Apolinario Mabini, and other important figures in the Pacific. Many important figures including Queen Lili`uokalani, fought against the partitioning of the Pacific through her efforts in the Royal Polynesian Society and belonged to a camp that tried to restore the original meaning of Polynesia which included SE Asia.’
http://hawaiianhistorian.blogspot.com/2010/12/malay-vs-austronesian.html
Perlembagaan Persekutuan pada saya dalam hal ini telah secara langsung atau tidak langsung mensabotaj projek Pan Malay Unity. Mungkin juga ia dibenarkan saja supaya cita-cita Sultan Abu Bakar dan Raja Kalakaua dapat diperkuburkan!
Chin apparently didn’t visit his muslims’ open Hari Raya (if he has any muslim friends. In our kampung not only non-muslim friends visited us, even complete strangers. Chin should “ronda-ronda” to find out why there’s “tension”.
something that has not been proven
Re:”Does GPS’s “religious extremists” include evangelista politicians who pander to the rise and rise of right-wing Islamic politics in the peninsula?”
The DAP didn’t pander to the rise of right wing Islamic politics , the MCA did with its years of collaboration with UMNO. The DAP Evangelists and the PAS Islamists are attempting to make political capital out of religion which is what competent political parties would do.
I don’t think its a good stratagem merely because I’m a devout secularists but I seem to be the minority in this and a whole range of issues.
My problem has always been why isn’t UMNO doing the same ? After all the political UMNO elites in this country have no problem mimicking many other Western excesses ?
James Chin’s commentary is certainly unsettling, at least for me, especially the last sentence in the final paragraph. All this while, I always have the impression that Sabah/ Sarawak race relationship has been in good term (at least better than Penisula’s).
Firstly, it is important to acknowledge the ‘Muslim political hegemony’ that was talked about in the article was never brought about by Mahathir for the furtherance of the Islamic cause, but merely out of self serving interest to hang on to power.
I feel the need to stress on this beforehand because many commenters here are proud to proclaim they are Muslim first, Malaysian second. Essentially that means their religion before their country so I’m not surprised these are the ones that would say they don’t mind giving out citizenships to others as long as it is to ensure Muslim dominance. Never mind it is illegal and unjust. The end does justify the means for them so, if the law of the land can be just waived in the name of their faith, rational discourse on this subject is futile.
Quote Helen “Does GPS’s “religious extremists” include evangelista politicians who pander to the rise and rise of right-wing Islamic politics in the peninsula?”
Nay, the rise of right-wing Islamic politics has long been in the penisula. Credit given where its due, sad to say the evangelistas lost this one to the ‘Islam first, Malaysian second’ chest thumping fellow Malaysians.
“was never brought about by Mahathir for the furtherance of the Islamic cause, but merely out of self serving interest to hang on to power.”
Not only to hang on to power but to gain wealth for his family and chinese and indian cronies to the tunes of 400 billions as exposed by Husni Hanafiah while the Malays are beggars in their own country.
Indeed Mahathir and anwar ibrahim used Islam as a religion in the classic way to lull the malays into poverty and acceptance of their poverty by introducing Indian Pakistan syle whipping for malay women. By allowing malay women in the Federal Territory to be jailed for reporting rape by less than 4 men. Vis a vis Saiful who has to produce 4 male witness while he was sodomised by Anwar who demanded the JAWI take action against Saiful.
These anti Malay women are Mahathir syariah while he and his sons plundered Petronas of billions.
Re:……Mahathir for the furtherance of the Islamic cause, but merely out of self serving interest to hang on to power.”
Remember the time when he was with his wingman Anwar and he socked it to the Islamist but at the same time was reengineering the Malay-Muslim polity ? I guess he wanted more Malays but with a lot less Muslim.
http://www-cgi.cnn.com/ASIANOW/asiaweek/97/0919/nat5.html
Quote: ..he wanted more Malays but with a lot less Muslim.
How aptly put. Seeing how he proceeded to put the ‘head of Islam’ monarchy in their rightful place is already so telling.
Cheers
as a sabahan i can have a say to this issue..
there is some truth about the sudden increasing number of muslim population in sabah.. as a sabahan muslim myself born and breed i can understand why the kadazandusun which is traditionally dominant in the west coast feel that their hegemony being threaten. even in dusun totok area like keningau and tambunan you can see the natives population is like decreasing when actually it’s the outsider that’s increasing and populating their heartland..
muslim in the west coast are traditionally a minority population among them are the ethnic group from the org bisaya, melayu brunei, and the bajau darat or samah irranun and some muslim dusun tribe too.. but as for the east coast it’s a well known fact it’s the muslim heartland of sabah for many century since the day of the sulu and bulungan sultanate where majority of it’s people are from the bajau and suluk ethnic group..
now before umno came in the 90-ties the situation in sabah are very harmonious among the races.. little thing like muslim family having breakfast in a chinese restaurant.. which serve both halal and pork but they have different kitchen and utensil of course is a normal scene.. no one will judge you..
muslim women here too don’t usually wear tudung everyday but occasionally as they don’t see it as a matter of sin or not but mere cultural.. they have no problem if during kaamatan they take a sip during moginum (taking rice wine) if they’re invited by their dusun friend.. but the none muslim know that muslim dont eat pork so they will not ask or invite you to eat it.. it’s like the general knowledge here.. muslim dont eat pork and the man can have untill 4 wives thats’ the common knowledge among sabahan none muslim about their muslim friend culture..
the interrelation among it’s different races is so pure they develop it’s own malay slang which have mix of different loan words from natives language but mostly it’s base on the bahasa baku.. the only group that speak malay extensively in sabah is the bruneian malay.. the rest they have their own mother tounge.. but when it’s come to trading and socializing sabahan use bahasa melayu baku due to it’s historical important as the lingua franca since the day of barter trading, slave raiding, head hunting of bygone era..
different region have different words.. even different village have different s a slang of language.. sabah is really a melting pot of ethnic and tribal culture.. a gold mine for social science studies.
i can go on about this but my point is what prof james is concern about is valid.. the day usno decide to die and give life to umno in sabah for me personally a mistake made by tun datu mustapha.. he and harris salleh should sort their differences together with all the muslim tribe to find a common ground instead he inviting umno which dont understand sabah cultural personality.. in the end tun datu mustapha regret it himself that’s why he left umno later on and join pairins PBS which during that time an oppo party..
nowdays islamization in the sense of culturally reviving it soul base on the module of arabia which is less friendly towards other culture start to take center stage in muslim lives here so ultimately it will effect the interrelation among the races too..
sabahan both muslim and none muslim like music and dancing.. but now i see among the muslim youngster that graduate from places like unisza and uia say igal-igal, sumayau is haram.. singing is haram.. dont show your hair… it is very tense sometimes when even among family member they start to abandon their relatives because of this overt religious conviction that they try to impose.. so yes in sabah we’re in a process of changing i guess.. it will never be the same..
is it good? maybe or maybe not because i’m a muslim bajau so i should not complaint about it right? ..i mean my kind is getting larger by number.. and we’re the majority but seriously i miss the old days.. the younger generation is marginalizing them self and that’s not good.. i feel like a stranger in my own home.
thank you sir for sharing your stories and views.. sabah is unique in it’s on way especially the diversity of culture and the way its people handle their life..
i use to live in sabah for 2 years in the putatan area near kampung ketiau.. waking up in the morning i can see clearly the mighty kinabalu from my doorstep.. it’s a memory i will cherish forever.. hope sabah will stay the same despite all of the politics from the evangelist and jihadist minded.. 2 different side from the same coin.. they ruining sabah moderation..
hope sabah persist and stay strong and united just like mount kinabalu.
Dear friend,
Understand and share with your disappointment regarding some ‘ustaz’ that always come out from their mouth the word ‘haram’.. haram.. haram..
This actually happen not only in your home town.. and surely its not from the ‘mistake’ of Tun Datu Mustapha when he bring UMNO to Sabah.. I agree that Tun not suppose to bring UMNO to Sabah but not for ‘islamisation reason’..
Our old days seems become history.. the younger generation is difference.. my children keep tweeting and fb during our dinner until we stop them.. Hari raya means Open house.. no visiting our friends / neighbour except during open house.. but again its not UMNO or BN or Oppo mistake.. we are stranger in our own home.. agree with you..
As a secular malay we must understand the situation. The religions whether Christian or Islam was based on middle eastern culture. So we must stress this point. Arab culture is not malay or local culture.
Fear of religion can drive perfectly good people like Bush or Osama to kill. so do not underestimate.
The world peace is due to the rise of secularims and peace niks. If this realisation that religons are made for the benefit of monks, priests and ulama we will faill to control this superstitions.
So always make your opinions and point out to your obsessed relatives or friends this simple truth. Islam is part of arab culture and we are not Arabs. Jesus Chirist was a Jew and Kadazans are not Jews.
they have other words to call kadazan even malay that have different opinion about the their religious views.. they call you orang kafir.. jahil.. jarum yahudi.. musuh islam.. etc..
as for the extreme christian they have names for you who don’t believe their savior.. heathen, pagan, infidels and so on and yes i agree with you the current world peace is because of the rise of secularism, moderate secularist idea to be exact not the extreme one… and the middle east is still hell on heart due to this religious fanatics.
Innaddina Indallahil Islam, Sesungguhnya Agama di Sisi Allah Itu Hanyalah Islam.
Arabs, Jews or Mamaks is not a pressing matters for the Muslims.
but when you’re making that kind of statement of personal religious conviction in a public affair with a multi-ethnic and a multi-religion society that have a moderate views of dealing with life like sabah it is a very pressing issues.
that’s why many of them don’t like to talk about religion in public. you’ll awe people with that kind of approach in a place like kelantan but not in sabah.. but of course things are changing like our sabahan friend say.. we might lose the sabah we know today just like the peninsular before the 80-ies. you got the evangelist and the jihadist minded spreading all over the state.
Mundu, I was merely responding to this statement made by JJP.
‘Islam is part of arab culture and we are not Arabs. Jesus Chirist was a Jew and Kadazans are not Jews.’
How do you think that will help us, Malaysians, when one makes a sweeping statement like that, when I’m been blamed for merely responding?!
Do you think it is ok for JJP to be ‘making that kind of statement of personal religious conviction in a public affair with a multi-ethnic and a multi-religion society that have a moderate views of dealing with life like sabah’ or the rest of Malaysia for that matter?
actually his/her statement is right..it’s not a religious statement..it’s a factual statement..it’s very different from your sesungguhnya agama disisi Allah itu hanyalah islam statement which is your personal religious conviction..and please dont be to defensive..i’m not blaming you for responding..you have the right to express your views..i was just stating your statement and the respond it will create in different places..that’s why i mention sabah and kelantan..two different state with different cultural background
and about being malaysian?..well let’s start with our self and our children on how to live in this multi-ethnic and multi-religion society that have a moderate views of dealing with life because the current situation is not good..no thanks for our politician be it from BN or PR.
“actually his/her statement is right..it’s not a religious statement..it’s a factual statement..it’s very different from your sesungguhnya agama disisi Allah itu hanyalah islam statement which is your personal religious conviction..” wow we need more people like Mundu. Facts are facts. And that is how we fight extremism of all religions.
1stIslam is a religious fanatic that is why he responds the he way he does to a simple statement of facts. He wanted to belong to helen ang (who is kafir btw) liberal and modern group and hangs around with other liberal minded people of the modern world. But liberalism and islam is as oxymoron and as islamic fashion shows hehe..
To add further, if we approach Kadazans with this fact in the first place maybe than Christianity would not seem attractive to them. Imagine approaching a Kadazan and telling him/her come and join us from Jesus who is a Jewish priest. Come and join us in worshipping this Jewish priest. I bet that would turn them off.
Hell if we were to take this approach with the Chinese it would also turn them off Christianity. Come Hannah, let us pray to this Jew, Jesus Christ to go to heaven. But of course the Jews are smart people and they hide their jewishness through the Romans or english to do their bidding. So it is with the Arab religion. Reminding Malays that islam is arabic in nature would prevent their culture and personalities to be arabised. Which would be bad of course just look at Egypt, Syria Iraq.Saudi Arabia..arabs killing arabs.
DAP should take the infinite possibilities label.
1. Mencipta sejarah
Karpal asks us forgive Chin Peng like we did for Japan. So for those who lost family and friends to the communist and Japanese we will hug and kiss.
2. Mencipta agama
Puasa dan minum air seraya membaca Al Qur’an. Ala OKM
3. Mencipta undang undang baru
We can park in a clamping zone but make the driver is in the car. Override federal laws by banning and classify films like our God.
4. Mencari kesilapan perisian
Excel is full of bugs.
Kalau Islam dah jadi kekirian seperti yang Prof kata, Kristian macam mana?
1. Father Politician Paul
Ya, Since when the Catholic church is so involved in politics
2. Evangelista
10% church, China Wine pastor. We dont have that in the traditional churches. I don’t have to elaborate. We have too many examples.
Sama sama
do you write script for final fantasy? if you don’t, you should start, cuz you seem to have the gift. final fantasy can always use more fantasies to make the kids happy.
obviously some kids had responded…
HY. You are not qualified to comment on anything but rubbish.
HY. U hv set niu standard for inglish cuz it is very niu spelling. niu English like yours makes the kids happy cuz no need 2 use head 4 spelling.
HY, y?
Helen, perhaps you should pen a piece on the Rise and Rise of Evangelist Christian Politics and Political megastars.
The Malay right-wing movements are dead after the 13GE nor they had a significant impact on the voting trend. In fact all Perkasa’s leaders lost in the GE.
On the other hand, all DAP’s Christian Superstars won handsomely with larger majorities. I would say that the Christian Evangelist kicked the Malay right wing’s *** in the last GE.
Will put up your comment soonest. Thanks.
Maybe you should also write about malay left-wing.. its widely spread their roots in malays society.. UMNO and PAS should not just ignore completely about ISMA + Berjasa..
While the Malay right-wingers crashed and burned, the evangelist megastars of DAP shone as bright as the supernova.
Re: “The Malay right-wing movements are dead after the 13GE nor they had a significant impact on the voting trend.”
UMNO in a right wing movement and they basically won the election despite what the Opposition says. PERKASA is a subsidiary of UMNO but you can’t win ’em all.
But then UMNO is not “rising” or getting stronger but on the other hand DAP especially the Christian Right has grown by leaps and bounds.
Calvinsankaran
Quote: ….Christian Right has grown…..
What is your personal definition of Christian Right? If you go by the conventional definition of what is Christian right, you will find your allegation baseless. The DAP evangelistas are everything but conservative, no?
Cheers
Christian Left then ? I don’t think they are on the left either in the conventional definition. Probably they require a new definition of their own …all dancing, all singing hip hopping, color blind, world citizen who worship Jesus and meritocracy.
re: “citizen who worship Jesus and meritocracy”
and roundly condemn racists and mediocrity
Re”….all dancing, all singing hip hopping, color blind, world citizen who worship Jesus and meritocracy.”
And this is a bad thing?
C’mon. If you want to knock the Evangelists, point to the hypocrisy of their antics ….but wait, that would mean, one would have to acknowledge the hypocrisy of UMNO.
I am knocking on their hypocrisy in case you missed out my implied meaning.
I am not sure why you keep bringing up UMNO in every discussion with me. Do you expect me to be their spokesperson ?
As to why I keep bringing up UMNO with you, generally if you disavow a certain type of behaviour in others and not acknowledge said behaviour in the group you align yourself to, that’s called hypocrisy.
While I don’t consider you a spokesperson for UMNO I do consider you a pro Establishment partisan. After all you write long screeds on UMNO talking points on numerous sites. Why don’t you want to defend your pro Establishment position ? Others here do.
Well, I can’t recall ever writing to defend UMNO or its positions. Since you an avid reader of my letters, could you be so kind to help me to refresh my memory?
BTW, Conrad this blog isn’t a place to pick petty fights or settle some old scores. This is Helen’s home and we need to be mindful of and respect that. I have no problem debating as long as the topic stays within the thread but not engaging on some childish personal arguments.
The most recent example would be your letter in Malaysiakini on your so-called mathematical analysis of justifying the so called Chinese tsunami. I only read part 1 because part 2 seems to be missing. You do realize that this is an UMNO talking point, right?
I have no idea what you mean by picking petty fights, most of the comments here including mine are petty but I am even more bewildered by “settling old scores”. As far as I recall, I have had only a few interactions with you and none of them warranted settling anything more so old scores.
As far as being mindful of the discourse, I am sure Helen is aware that I am extremely mindful, going to the length of ignoring a poster after he whined about my presence, swore he wouldn’t respond and then proceeded to do just that, in every thread and for every one of my post.
To Conrad # 35:
I am perplexed how did you managed to link my analysis on 13GE to UMNO’s “talking point”. If there is a leap of logic, this is it. My analysis is a purely academic and data-driven exercise and everything I wrote was backed up by hard data.
BTW, Part 2 is up, look up for in in FMT. Mkini seems to be holding up the publication (or censored it, perhaps).
It is obvious from here that you have a bone to pick with me, the way you are interjecting and commenting to my posts and trying to provoke me. I think I know why.
Well I got news for you, it ain’t working and will not work. Try it on someone with your level of intellect, who knows it he or she might take the bait.
‘I am not sure why you keep bringing up UMNO in every discussion with me. Do you expect me to be their spokesperson ?’
On the ball Calvinsankaran!
With Conrad and gangs, a good Malaysian must be the UMNO bashing one!
Re…a good Malaysian must be the UMNO bashing one!
No! No! No! You must not say that. Are you out of your mind? It is all UMNO’s fault.
and the Christians Right had grown by leaps and bounds also due to the support of Malay Muslims Orthodox and Malay Muslims Liberal.
Exactly. That was the result of my GE13 analysis. The voting power of Chinese are stronger than Malays as the Malays are divided.
Now I recall. Wasn’t that article in Mkini plagued with alleged plagiarism by a Chinese blog?
LOL, you must be the joker who complained incoherently about my analysis in MKini. If you want to complain about my work at least get a little facts right lah, not simply throw accusations without a shred of proof.
Let me repeat it for slow brained Dapsters like you. There is no one – that is not a single person – have done the kind of detailed and sophisticated mathematical analysis as I have on the result of 13 GE. If there is please be free to direct me to the blog in question.
I bet the joker who made the complain doesn’t even understand what I wrote much less have the mastery of the advanced mathematical techniques or R-Statistics programming skills. FYI I have never done R programming before but for this analysis I taught myself to do so.
I was truly amused by the readers comments in FMT and MK when my analysis appeared. Pathetic was the word occured to me reading those.
Re. If you want to complain about my work at least get a little facts right lah, not simply throw accusations without a shred of proof.
Sigh… sad case right?
Just over a month ago and I think it is even prior to SK Pristina case, I commented about the plight of the Indian community. Among others I mentioned about “gangsterism” which is always associated with the Indian youth, where a study need to be done to address the root cause; however someone in here claimed that the points that I put forward are “unfounded” and based on urban myth or something like that ….
Voila! just recently the police revealed that 70% of the triad are Indian. But then again, ITU SEMUA SALAH UMNO…….
Helen’s blog is a feel good channel for some, cause they just love to talk and talk and talk……
Hell, if you want to jump on the bandwagon, don’t weaselly allude to one of our discussions but link to it so, readers on than those who are of the same Weltanschauung can judge for themselves.
Wrt to your claim about gangsterism, no mention of the UMNO overlords and high ranking officials who profit for them or whose crimes go unnoticed or worse not defined as crimes.
But then again for some UMNO is blameless.
‘But then again for some UMNO is blameless.’
For some, if you are sober enough, you would notice that UMNO had not escaped from their criticisms.
But then again for some UMNO is at fault for everything!
calvinsankaran
Quote: ” If you want to complain about my work at least get a little facts right lah, not simply throw accusations without a shred of proof. ”
I am not throwing anything at you. I am merely reflecting the reality on the ground where there are alleged plagiarism finger pointing with regards to your piece in Mkini. Alleged.
Quote: “There is no one – that is not a single person – have done the kind of detailed and sophisticated mathematical analysis as I have on the result of 13 GE. If there is please be free to direct me to the blog in question. ”
I don’t think there is the need for me to point you to the blogs in question. A simple Google search could do wonders, but of course for someone who profess to dabble in sophisticated research and analysis, you probably knew that already.
Quote: “I bet the joker who made the complain doesn’t even understand what I wrote much less have the mastery of the advanced mathematical techniques or R-Statistics programming skills. ”
Good for you. Admit I don’t know what is R-Statistic programming, but I bet it must be real tough and important. BTW, I hope you don’t get caught up in the hypocrisy loop where you accuse PR supporters of vilifying others with opposing view and you proceeding to do just the same by calling me a ‘Dapster’ just because I echoed the reality on the ground where your piece did not receive the response worthy of your perceived greatness.
Cheers
Re:”A simple Google search could do wonders…..,”
It’s there in his letter to Malaysiakini. The person alleging plagiarism even linked to the particular blog post in English and Mandarin. And wrote 2 post in the comments section as to why he believe his piece has been plagiarized.
I have no idea why Calvin thinks that nobody has linked to it or that his is the only mathematical (sic) analysis out there.
LOL. If you even bothered to do a Google search yourself you would discover how “valid” the accusation was. Why don’t you do that and come up with a list of things that I had plagiarised since you obviously think the comments in Mkini are made by objective, fact-based intellectuals.
Let me see if you if willing to take up the challenge instead of keep talking incoherently ad nauseam.
If you think that joker has valid points why don’t do all of us here a big favour and make a list of things I had “plagiarised”?
I bet you won’t since you rather talk endlessly than deal with facts and logic-based debate.
It was you who claimed that there were no links and that yours was the only mathematic analysis out there. Those were the points I was rebutting. Do you understand Calvin or do you need a graph or chart to comprehend this simple point.
I bet you won’t respond to his points on Mkini, (since he not me, is the one accusing you of plagiarism) like you responded to certain posters on FMT.
C’mon Calvin, you talk a big talk but seem unable to defend piece in the Lion’s Den of Malaysiakini, which you claim is a Pakatan mouthpiece but have no problem writing letters to.
And another thing Calvin, I was not the one who brought up this issue of alleged plagiarism.
To be honest, I most often don’t bother reading the comments section of your pieces when I come across them because of the hostility thrown your way by virtue of the fact that you are a pro Establishment Indian.
But get your facts right esp when attempting to argue with someone like me who is very careful of his choice of words and is cautious about making issue personal.
I was spot on, you folks would never take up the challenge to prove your allegations. It is all typical “shit and run” ( please pardon my language Helen) tactics that Dapsters are so good at.
The fundamental principle of the justice system and in debating is the onus is on the accuser to prove his/her allegations. Otherwise we don’t need courts and judges, we can just use Mkini to determine people’s guilt.
It is telling that you are attaching so much credibility to readers’ comments section in Mkini. No wonder you sound so much like a brain-washed cult member or a North Korean Space Cadet.
Calvinsankaran
Dude, you are fickle minded.
Quote “Oh, BTW don’t bother posting more comments on this topic, I am done talkin. I am here to share my views and not argue with people ”
Didn’t you post on Sept 8, 3.24pm you are done with this?
:)
HH # 61
Sure, I am done talkin.
But that doesn’t mean you are not off the hook. I am still waiting for your list. Please go ahead and expose my “plagiarism”. Be the man!
calvinsankaran
Quote: “Please go ahead and expose my “plagiarism”. Be the man!”
Boy, I love a good challenge!!
Dude, I echoed accusation of ‘alleged’ plagiarism by one Mkini commenter by the name of Wong Jiang Fung. Wong had published his findings on his blog (http://jiang1984.blogspot.com/2013/05/since-closing-of-13th-malaysian-general.html) on May 22, 2013. Your letter to Mkini was published on July 31, 2013.
I wasn’t the one who accused you of plagiarism, Wong did. Since you are obviously engrossed in ‘sophisticated’ one of a kind analysis, I took the liberty to do a little sleuthing on Wong over the internet on your behalf.
Then I proceeded to do a little background check.
I find it of utmost importance to know a little background information on your accuser. His credibility is just as important, if not more important since he is the one who pointed his finger at you.
Sadly, this is all I can come up with – an old Singapore Straits Times article titled “Maths whiz, 15, is youngest NUS student.”
Geez, maths genius singling you out.. you’re the man!
http://ww1.math.nus.edu.sg/News%20Archive/1999,%2012%20Dec%20-%20%20Math%20Whiz,%2015%20is%20NUS%27s%20youngest%20student.htm
On the plus side, I found Wong’s fb account. Feel free to confront him and make all those viled commentators on Mkini who doubted you eat humble pie. YES, let no innocent man be condemned.
Good luck bro. This is the least I can do… since I am the one who brought up the plagiarism controversy here.
https://www.facebook.com/KOGKOG
Cheers
HH # 64
People ask for evidence and you give the guy’s FB account – LOL!
Have you even seen the guy’s analysis ? What he did was just an analysis, more of simplistic regression without any scientific foundation and rigour at all.
It bears no resemblance to my analysis at all and far too general compared to my detailed and far more sophisticated treatment.
That guy’s an amateur, with very basic maths skills and making all the wrong conclussions. If he presents that in an academic conference or in front of those who are familiar with maths, he will be torn to shreds.
I can take my work to any international conference of scientists or mathematicians and would be able to defend my work. This guy can only get it published in his blog and FB ! what a comedian !
Calvinsankaran
Quote: “I can take my work to any international conference of scientists or mathematicians and would be able to defend my work. This guy can only get it published in his blog and FB ! what a comedian !”
Dude, our interaction was most enlightening, but I have to rest my case. We are obviously on different level and frequency.
With regards to your latest comment, I do admit I was momentarily blinded, no doubt by your glaring greatness and glory, and it was there and then it dawned on me further discourse would serve no purpose. Except burden Helen here with more comment approvals.
My parting words to you my wise friend, please look up the meaning NPD. (Psychology)
God bless
Two points calvin. 1.You claimed that the Malay right wing movement is “dead”. False. UMNO is alive and if I am not mistaken when it comes to Zul Noordin he preformed better that the previous candidate.
2. There is no such thing as a Christian Left or Right in Malaysia. The DAP’s rise is fuelled by Chinese (predominately) disenchantment. In the same manner the Evangelists rise is fuelled by popular Chinese resentments and not on religious fervour except in certain places – Hannay Yeoh’s hang out for one. The same can’t be said of Right Wing UMNO
I guess it depends on one’s definition. I don’t consider UMNO as right wing but rather as an ethnic nationalist party. Secondly the question here is not if UMNO is alive (so is MCA though in a bed in the ICU) but the trajectory of their political fortune.
DAP’s megastars are on the ascent since 2008 and no political party has grown as much as DAP in the last 2 GEs. The reason behind DAP’s rise is not the point of discussion here. Also I think Helen has written extensively on the rise of the Christian Evangelists so there is no need for me to regurgitate that here.
You do realize that that the very definition of “right wing” is an “ethnic nationalist party”. What do you think PERKASA is ? As for UMNO’s trajectory, they won the election with the majority of Malay votes, so while the community is split the question here is can they sustain that support with the onslaught of other Malay power structures.
Actually, the reason for the DAP’s rise is extremely relevant since it was you who claimed that the Evangelists wiped out the Malay right wing. The evangelist you claimed was the Right/Left wing of the DAP.
And where did you get the idea that ethnic nationalism is same as right wing ? Conrad’s Dummies Guide to Political Science?
I am not sure what you have been smoking bro but obviously it not good for your memories or thinking faculties. The facts are – Perkasa folks did not compete against DAP but PAS and PKR.
And neither did I claim evangelistas wiped out the right wingers. I merely stated the DAP Christian mega stars won big. That itself is a nuetral statement.
Whatever the motivation or reason for this huge jump in support is not something I consider relevant here. You might think it is and it is certainly within your right to express such opinion. Just don’t expect me to agree with you.
Re: “And where did you get the idea that ethnic nationalism is same as right wing ? Conrad’s Dummies Guide to Political Science? ”
Before engaging in personal insults which upthread you said you disavowed – “but not engaging on some childish personal arguments.-” perhaps you could kindly look up the definition (any source) before shooting your mouth off or using terms you terms you obviously have no idea what they mean.
Re:”The facts are – Perkasa folks did not compete against DAP but PAS and PKR. ”
You mean Zul Noordin (an example I used) a PERKASA member did not compete in this election and was not anointed by UMNO ? Perhaps you should be smoking what I am before attempting such to post.
Re:”And neither did I claim evangelistas wiped out the right wingers. I merely stated the DAP Christian mega stars won big. That itself is a nuetral statement.”
This is what you said:
“The Malay right-wing movements are dead after the 13GE nor they had a significant impact on the voting trend.
I would say that the Christian Evangelist kicked the Malay right wing’s *** in the last GE.”
Are these neural statements. Nothing you write is neutral. The same can be said of me but at least I am aware of what I write.
Re:”Whatever the motivation or reason for this huge jump in support is not something I consider relevant here. ”
Claiming the evangelist kicked the Malay right wing implies a specific motivation or reason, which is of course relevant since you claim that one ideology won over another. Why the hell did you learn to reason ?
Re:”You might think it is and it is certainly within your right to express such opinion. Just don’t expect me to agree with you”
Well duh, of course I am expressing an opinion and I do not expect you to agree with me but neither do I expect personal insult which you claim is unwarranted but have no problem engaging in when unable to defend your points.
Edit to correct:
Sentence should be (para 11) read : Where did you learn to reason ?
Edit to add:
And I find it humorous that you identify UMNO with ethnic nationalism, even though you claim that PERKASA is right wing and then seem oblivious to the fact that UMNO anointed Zul Noordin.
1. I see that you have not given the source equates right wing with ethnic nationalism.
2. Whether Zul Nordin was endorsed by UMNO is beside the point and has no relevance to this argument. The fact is Perkasa leaders did not stand against DAP Christian leaders. This is a fact and there is no amount of spin can change that.
3. Yes Christian leaders did kick Malay right wingers ***. But that is not same as saying they wiped out the right wingers. There was no direct fight between there 2 groups since both are obviously competing for mutually exclusive voters base.
4. As for difference in opinion, I am not sure you understand what you are saying. Don’t get lost in your own circuitous logic. I do not consider the reason behind the increase in Chinese support as relevant and that’s my opinion. You can disagree but don’t expect me to endorse your views and discuss about it here. I simply consider as relevant here. You can argue until the cows come home if you wish but you are wasting your time.
‘I am not sure what you have been smoking bro but obviously it not good for your memories or thinking faculties.’
I thought it was just the tuak, but apparently not!
Re. You can argue until the cows come home if you wish but you are wasting your time.
Live It, Learn It…. : D
Dear Helen,
GPS should know by now that there is no more religious muslims extremist in Malaysia as all of them (PAS) have been embraced by DAP’s secularist christians evangalista. As for UMNO Muslim Malays, they are not religious extremist but Malay nationalist. What I am afraid is that the DAP’s secularist christians evangalistas are turning to christians extremist.
re: “GPS should know by now …”
Maybe an apple will fall from the tree and hit GPS on his head (c.f. the apocryphal story about Newton’s discovery of the law of gravity), and he will get, wow, inspiration.
Christian Extremist is alive and kicking in Malaysia too! Parkiam and gangs are good examples!
Reply to Calvinsankaran # 54
1. Why should I cite any source, you obviously agree with me that PERKASA is a right wing party but do consider UMNO an ethnic nationalist party. It is you who should cite your source for this not me.
2. It is you who claimed that the Evnagelist kicked the right wingers ass not me. Those were your exact words. So of course it matter esp since they never went up against each other and as I pointed out Zul Noordin actually did better than the previous candidate, which also points to another of your contention that the right has no support. As I said your spin is weak sauce.
3. It is YOU who claimed that they did “wipe out” the right wingers – those were your very words. Are you conceding the point or just blatantly lying now? If there was no direct fight how can they even be the contention that the evangelist wiped out (your words) or kicked the ass (your words) of the Malay right wing? Like I said, where did you learn to reason?
4. Of course I am wasting my time. Writing on internet message boards are generally a waste of time. However this not detract from the fact that
you make claims and when presented with your own words, you attempt to weasel out of them or blatantly lie about what you said. This makes whatever you say suspect and your long screeds against are nothing more than toxic lies that you claim is what the Opposition does.
Reply to Calvin Sankaran #41
Do you even know what a talking point is ? You do realize that it was UMNO who first brought up the so called Chinese tsunami propaganda and continues this narrative ? Hence it is an UMNO talking point. Your analysis if it is the same as your argumentation style is nothing more than conjecture, denial, selective data, cherry picking and biased reading from a whole range of sources.
I will look it up and perhaps will contact Malaysiakini as to why they have not published the second part. Since I believe in freedom of expression, everyone has a right to express themselves even those who can’t seem to grasp the terms or arguments they are using or making.
So, replying to comments or questioning arguments according to pro Establishment types like you equals provoking or persecution. Well at least you share the same inability to respond to criticism as the Regime you support. I doubt you even understand someone like me, Calvin. To people like you any kind of dissent against your half-baked ideas are threatening.
Obviously you are arguing out of your league which is why you have to spin, deny, fabricate and attempt to play the victim in the hopes that my
speech is curtailed, when you claim to abhor the practice when done to you.
Obviously I don’t understand you, thank god!
Oh, BTW don’t bother posting more comments on this topic, I am done talkin. I am here to share my views and not argue with people who obviously have chips on the shoulders, missing circuitry on their head and a lot of angst in the heart.
Have a good weekend bro. A piece of advice though – getting worked up is not good for your health. Go out breath in the fresh air, talk to some real people and get some exercise.
PS : Thanks for contacting on my behalf Mkini on my behalf. Perhaps you might know Pramesh personally. I almost choked on my chicken upon seeing you writing Mkini and freedom of expression. Do you even know how many of my letters that Mkini refused to publish over the years?
Yeah, whatever Calvin. It’s the same old BS with partisans like you.
End the discussion with personal insults. The parents of the kids I tutor (with the kind help of others) arranged a picnic in the park near my house. One of those parents asked me of her son’s chances in school.
She nearly fell of the bench, when I told her that if he stays the course, he will eventually do Vet Science like he dreamed of in some place in California. Apparently some dumbass teacher, told her that her son was only qualified to be a clerk or something along those lines and not dream big. So that was my fresh air for the weekend.
And Calvin, I do not know Pramesh personally. Freedom of expression or the lack thereof is not confined only to Malaysiakini and please, please, please look up “choked on my chicken” or variations of it before writing something like that.
Conrad,
” please, please, please look up “choked on my chicken” or variations of it before writing something like that.’
We should open to possibilities. It is possible Calvin meant what he said. Just saying.
HH,
Fair enough.
A segment of my professional life is spent in the company of teens, so some spill over is to be expected :D
Bromance!
We could only hope and pray it is not the Brokeback Mountain kind of bromance…LOL
It’s telling that you do not want to face your accuser on Malaysiakini but except some people here who made no allegations but merely pointed them out to state their case.
Of course “done talking” to you means hit and running but what can anybody expect from your posting history. And gay references, to a simpatico whose behaviour you claim to despise when directed at you. Stay classy, Calvin. Stay classy.
Done talkin doesn’t mean you and HH are off the hook dude. I must confess though, both of you do have the making of great comedic talent – why don’t you call up the local circus to audition for the clown role ? LOL.
Calvin is this the best you got ? No wonder you don’t want to go to Malaysiakini and defend your views. Someone accused you of plagiarism, dude.
Nobody here accused you of anything but your defensiveness doesn’t look good, though. But what the hell Calvin, you’re good for a laugh, intentionally or otherwise.
Oh I see, you actually take readers’ comments seriously? That explains it all ! LOL.
And just read your rebuttal of the accusation. Basically you’re saying the guy is wrong and you are right. That his is a simple analysis and yours is of “international standard”. What delusions. You published your findings in the letter section of an online media outlet. In case you hadn’t noticed they publish anything or most anything. And when you got accused of plagiarism this is the best you got.
No wonder you act all big on FMT where your “this is not relevant” response are met with sniggers. Honestly Calvin, if you had any self respect, you would march into Mlaysiakini and take this guy head on. After all why else would you publish your letter there even though you claim its readership and the portal is biased.