Purata jangkaan hayat untuk seseorang lelaki di Malaysia ialah 72.0 tahun.
(a) Seseorang lelaki Cina di Malaysia pada puratanya akan mencapai usia 74.5 tahun. Seseorang lelaki keturunan India di Malaysia pula pada puratanya akan hidup sehingga umur 68.0 tahun sahaja.
Terdapat perbezaan 6.5 tahun di antara purata jangkaan hayat seorang lelaki Cina dan seorang lelaki etnik India.
Warna kuning pada carta garis di bawah menandakan lelaki Cina manakala garis hijau menandakan lelaki India.
Maklumat di atas diperolehi daripada data tahun 2009-2011 jangkaan hayat Jabatan Perangkaan.
(b) Seseorang perempuan Cina pada puratanya akan mencapai usia 80.0 tahun. Seseorang perempuan keturunan India pula pada puratanya akan hidup sehingga umur 76.8 tahun.
Terdapat perbezaan 3.2 tahun di antara purata jangkaan hayat seorang perempuan Cina dan seorang perempuan etnik India.
(c) Sungguhpun orang India kedua-dua jantina lebih pendek usia berbanding Melayu dan Cina, namun jurang perbezaan di antara jangkaan hayat lelaki India dengan lelaki kaum-kaum lain nampak ketara lebih besar.
Sementara itu, perbezaan di antara jangkaan hayat perempuan India dengan perempuan kaum-kaum lain adalah lebih kecil. Fakta ini diperlihatkan menerusi dua carta di atas — bagi lelaki, jarak menegak di antara garis kuning dan hijau adalah lebar manakala bagi perempuan, jarak di antara garis-garis pelbagai warna adalah lebih sempit.
(d) Perbezaan jangkaan hayat di antara lelaki India dan lelaki Cina – iaitu 6.5 tahun – adalah hampir dua kali ganda perbezaan jangkaan hayat di antara perempuan India dan perempuan Cina, iaitu 3.2 tahun.
Dari segi kaum dan jantina, statistik bagi lelaki India adalah merupakan ‘outlier’, yakni di luar daripada arus perdana. Gejala ini diperlihatkan pada carta palang di atas. Nyata lelaki India pendek umur.
Tambahan lagi, jangkaan hayat bagi lelaki India (68 tahun) adalah empat tahun lebih pendek daripada purata nasional jangkaan hayat (72 tahun) bagi lelaki merentasi kaum.
Rekod-rekod kelahiran (sijil lahir) dan kematian (sijil mati) pada lazimnya adalah agak tepat.
Penakat
Sekarang cuba kita lihat pada penakat (survivorship).
Daripada setiap 100,000 kelahiran bayi lelaki dalam tahun 2011, seramai 98,767 orang lelaki Cina akan mencapai usia 25 tahun (ditandakan kotak kuning dalam jadual atas) berbanding dengan seramai hanya 97,200 orang lelaki India (ditandakan kotak merah) yang akan mencecah usia 25 tahun.
Jurang yang lebih besar lagi diperlihatkan pada takuk umur 30 tahun, iaitu lelaki Cina 98,326 orang berbanding lelaki India 95,722 orang daripada setiap 100,000.
Bermakna sekitar usia 25-30 tahun itu adalah tempoh risiko tinggi bagi lelaki India di Malaysia. Antara salah satu sebab ialah kerana pada umur ini, ada sebilangan lelaki India mungkin terlibat kegiatan gangsterisme dan boleh jadi mati ditembak polis ataupun maut akibat pergaduhan dan keganasan.
Pada usia 25 tahun, seorang lelaki Cina mempunyai kebarangkalian 0.00446 (lihat kotak kuning) dia akan menemui ajal. Bilangan kematian lelaki Cina pada usia 25 ialah sejumlah 441 orang daripada setiap 100,000 kelahiran.
Pada usia 25 tahun, seorang lelaki India pula mempunyai kebarangkalian lebih besar, yakni 0.01521 (lihat kotak merah) dia akan menemui ajal. Bilangan kematian lelaki India pada usia 25 ialah sejumlah 1,478 orang daripada setiap 100,000 kelahiran.
Statistik yang dirujuk jelas menunjukkan perbezaan di antara kaum. Bilangan lelaki India yang mati sekitar umur 25 tahun adalah lebih tiga kali ganda berbanding lelaki Cina.
Lelaki Cina mempunyai kebarangkalian 80.5 peratus akan mencapai usia 65 tahun. Lelaki India hanya mempunyai kebarangkalian 63.8 peratus sahaja akan boleh hidup sampai ke umur 65 tahun.
Salah satu sebab mungkin berpunca daripada faktor kemiskinan dengan kesannya lelaki India itu kurang sihat ataupun tidak mampu mengubati penyakit yang dihidapnya.
Secara keseluruhan, tidak dipertikaikan bahawa masyarakat India yang terpinggir hidup melarat.
Gambar: Suspek lelaki India ditembak mati polis di Jalan Cheng, Melaka tiga hari lepas
Kenapa lelaki muda India boleh terjebak jenayah?
Faktor-faktor sosioekonomi umpamanya keluarga berpendapatan rendah, diri tidak berpelajaran, berasal daripada latar isi rumah yang porak-peranda, dsb mungkin mendorong kepada gejala golongan muda India terlibat dengan kegiatan-kegiatan geng bersenjata.
Matlamat asal Dasar Ekonomi Baru ialah untuk membasmi kemiskinan tanpa mengira kaum. Selama berlangsungnya DEB dan pelaksanaan rancangan-rancangan pembangunan kerajaan yang menyusulinya, banyak tumpuan telah diberikan kepada usaha membangkitkan kaum Melayu.
DEB berjaya meningkatkan taraf hidup kelompok Melayu tetapi kelompok India miskin masih ketinggalan dan hidup terbiar atau duduk sebagai setinggan di bandar setelah terjadinya pembubaran ladang-ladang getah.
Kelmarin Perdana Menteri Najib Razak mengumumkan Agenda Bumiputera kerajaan BN yang bertujuan mengembangkan ekonomi negara serta menghulur bantuan berasaskan program kaum. Sekali lagi bangsa India terkebelakang.
Untuk memenuhi agenda baru bumiputera, beberapa lagi kampus baru UiTM khusus untuk majoriti penuntut Melayu akan dibina.
Mana peluang pendidikan tinggi dan pekerjaan serta membaiki diri ada disediakan bagi kaum India?
Itulah.
Statistics don’t lie.
Helen Ang 
I suspect, like the case of India, our young Malaysian Indians from the low caste Hindu strata of society are ostracised by the rich and “high-born” castes, hence do not obtain helping hands from their own “race”.
Of course “race” is a problematic theme in Hindu society since caste chauvinism and the aristocratic birthright privileges for all practical purposes, result in creating “social divisions” which have the force of racial differentiation and segregation – a kind of religiously justified apartheid? Of course this is a viewpoint of someone standing outside of their closed social system.
Helen, what a stupid question. Pastilah orang India tersisih sebab ini bukan India..muahaha..
Ketahuilah sejarah, apabila orang Inggeris ingin menanam getah mereka perlukan buruh kasar untuk menebang hutan tropika yang indah dan mereka telah membawa hamba abdi dari Afrika atau India.
Sebab itu setelah perkhidmatan orang India tidak diperlukan lagi mereka perlu di jalan untuk balek India dimana mereka tidak akan disisihkan melainkan jika mereka kasta pariah.
Jika UMNO boleh membelanjakan 80 juta seperti cadangan that brilliant indian Nor Yakob untuk membawa balek penggundi DAP dan PKR, kenapa tidak bagi 1 billion untuk orang India balek India?
Dengan 1 billion ini maka tentu ramai yang sanggup menyerahkan kerakyaan mereka sebab mereka ada modal untuk penempatan semula di Chennai atau Mumbai.
Adakah ini mahal? Tidak kerana in the long term kos polis memburu dan membunuh gangster akan turun. Bayangkan DBKL dan Iskandar belanja setengah bilion untuk kamera saja. Kamera saja.
I’m sure people of all 3 races will find something to get pissed about this posting.
The Indians will be mad about you saying them dying because they are so poor and criminal, the Malays because their position is second and lagging behind the Chinese (as if lack of economic representation and capita income not enough!Now they see Chinese actually live longer too!), and the Chinese because you just had to remind them again how good they are having it here, and telling the other races about it too!
So, considering we can all see how privileged the Chinese are, why don’t they lend their Malaysian Indian brothers and sisters a hand?
Can’t depend on Najib’s government for this. Saturday’s event was probably just a political measure to ensure survival in UMNO’s upcoming big meeting anyway. Besides, he already got burned by the Chinese last GE, and first notable thing that Hindraf guy did after appointment was defend some alleged gangsters and imply the police murder them!
Real good job man! Let’s not bother about why they become gangsters and just kick up a fuss when they get killed or arrested. Why don’t they just surrender to the nearest police station and save everyone the hassle of running, raiding, car chasing, shooting. Hey, if alleged criminals and their families can demand police not to shoot I’m sure ordinary Malaysian citizens can just demand gangsters to just give up, repent and turn themselves in.
Well, for one thing at least I see no Malays are grumbling about their lack of representation in the underworld, if those secret society stats I saw in media is to be believed.
Also because Malays don’t seem to mind that even when the number’s supposedly the lowest way more Malays actually get questioned during Ops cantas than Indians. Now that’s just weird. We can depend on Indians to cry discrimination instead.
Maybe they don’t think it’s fair that they don’t get to see Malay gangsters shot dead? Or maybe they want to see dead Malay cops instead? Sure makes that one guy’s comment about asking people to get killers to kill the IGP understandable. I’m sure there are corrupt, killer cops out there, but asking people to kill cops because cops happen to shoot criminals dead is just stupid. What’s important is the justification, that’s IA’s work.
I think I’ve read about dead undercover Indian cops, don’t think I’ve heard any Indian outcry over that.
What a rant. It’s probably the dead man’s picture that got my goat.
I do empathize for the Indian wholeheartedly. If they don’t act in unison from now on they are forever going to miss the boat.
No,no,no we are going to send the Indians by airplane you numbskull!. What boat are you talking about. Thats how the Indians get to Malaya but now with air asia its faster to send the Indians by planes to their mother India.
All we Malays can say is Thank You India! ala Alanis Morrissettes..hehe
Thank you India.
If you are a real “MALAY” and “MUSLIM” (which I don’t think so judging by your tone and lingo) you should read this:
“Kisah Rasulullah SAW Dengan Perempuan Yahudi Buta
Kisah Rasulullah SAW Dengan Perempuan Yahudi Buta Di sudut pasar Madinah ada seorang pengemis Yahudi buta yang setiap harinya selalu berkata kepada setiap orang yang mendekatinya, “Wahai saudaraku, jangan dekati Muhammad, dia itu orang gila, dia itu pembohong, dia itu tukang sihir, apabila kalian mendekatinya maka kalian akan dipengaruhinya” . Namun, setiap pagi Nabi Muhammad Rasulullah SAW mendatanginya dengan membawakan makanan, dan tanpa berucap sepatah kata pun Rasulullah SAW menyuapkan makanan yang dibawanya kepada pengemis itu sedangkan pengemis itu tidak mengetahui bahawa yang menyuapinya itu adalah Rasulullah SAW. Rasulullah SAW melakukan hal ini setiap hari sampai beliau wafat.
Setelah wafatnya Rasulullah SAW tidak ada lagi orang yang membawakan makanan setiap pagi kepada pengemis Yahudi buta itu. Suatu hari sahabat terdekat Rasulullah SAW yakni Abubakar RA berkunjung ke rumah anaknya Aisyah RA yang tidak lain tidak bukan merupakan isteri Rasulullah SAW dan beliau bertanya kepada anaknya itu, “Anakku, adakah kebiasaan kekasihku yang belum aku kerjakan?”. * Aisyah RA menjawab, “Wahai ayahku, engkau adalah seorang ahli sunnah dan hampir tidak ada satu kebiasaannya pun yang belum ayah lakukan kecuali satu saja”. “Apakah Itu?”, tanya Abubakar RA. “Setiap pagi Rasulullah SAW selalu pergi ke hujung pasar dengan membawakan makanan untuk seorang pengemis Yahudi buta yang ada disana “, kata Aisyah RA. Keesokan harinya Abubakar RA pergi ke pasar dengan membawa makanan untuk diberikan kepada pengemis itu. Abubakar RA mendatangi pengemis itu lalu memberikan makanan itu kepadanya. Ketika Abubakar RA mulai menyuapinya, si pengemis marah sambil mengherdik, “Siapakah kamu ?”. Abubakar RA menjawab, “Aku orang yang biasa.” “Bukan! Engkau bukan orang yang biasa mendatangiku” , bantah si pengemis buta itu. “Apabila ia datang kepadaku tidak susah tangan ini memegang dan tidak susah mulut ini mengunyah. Orang yang biasa mendatangiku itu selalu menyuapiku, tapi terlebih dahulu dihaluskannya makanan tersebut setelah itu ia berikan padaku”, pengemis itu melanjutkan perkataannya. Abubakar RA tidak dapat menahan air matanya, lalu ia menangis sambil berkata kepada pengemis itu, “Aku memang bukan orang yang biasa datang padamu. Aku adalah salah seorang dari sahabatnya, orang yang mulia itu telah tiada. Ia adalah Muhammad Rasulullah SAW”.Seketika itu juga pengemis itu pun menangis mendengar penjelasan Abubakar RA, dan kemudian berkata, “Benarkah demikian? Selama ini aku selalu menghinanya, memfitnahnya, ia tidak pernah memarahiku sedikitpun, ia mendatangiku dengan membawa makanan setiap pagi, ia begitu mulia…. ” Pengemis Yahudi buta tersebut akhirnya bersyahadat di hadapan Abubakar RA saat itu juga dan sejak hari itu dia menjadi muslim. Selawat ke atas baginda SAW…”
http://imamazhari.blogspot.com/2013/01/kisah-rasulullah-saw-dengan-perempuan.html
pemerkosaan agenda melayu
saya ada jumpa ramai orang india yang golongan pertengahan yang bergaul dengan melayu. saya tanya dia kenape dia tak suka duduk area batu caves, kelang yang majoriti penduduk dia orang india. macam orang melayu suka duduk area melayu, senang nak buat kenduri kendara atau kematian.
Orang India ni cakap dia takut duduk berjiran dengan orang India sebab banyak mulut, kuat dengki, kuat jaja cerita orang. dia kata dia adalah orang india yang tak boleh duduk dengan kaum dia. kawan saya ni india yang rajin pergi kuil dan selalu jadi leader bawak kavadi masa Thaipusam.
Bila baca pendapat dia ada tiga jenis golongan india. satu India tak suka duduk kawasan masyarakat India dan lebih suka duduk kawasan Melayu. satu lagi India yang tak suka duduk dengan Melayu dan suka dengan masyarakat china yang cakap english pergi ke Church. ada satu lagi India tak suka Melayu, tak suka China, duduk sesama diorang dan selalunya suka bergaduh, dan kurang didikan.
jadi nak salahkan kerajaan juga tak boleh orang india bila berjaya tak bantu bangsa sendiri contoh Ananda Krisnan. kalau orang India yang berjaya jadi doktor atau peguam diorang tak mau bercampur dengan India yang kurang pendidikan dan tidak mau terlibat langsung dengan mereka.
Ada orang India peguam yang berjaya, contoh peguam diorang masuk Islam jadi peguam terkenal ambik staff orang Melayu. India yang tak suka pergi church, pergi kuil masuk Islam, kahwin perempuan Melayu. adat orang melayu kalau dapat satu menantu mualaf china atau India akan cuba bantu menantu ni dari segi wang ringgit atau harta, tanah bagi kat menantu ni supaya dia boleh berdikari dan menjadi satu tanggungjawab besar bagi pak mertua untuk bantu menantu mualaf supaya tak balik ke agama asal.
re: “jadi nak salahkan kerajaan juga tak boleh orang india bila berjaya tak bantu bangsa sendiri contoh Ananda Krisnan. kalau orang India yang berjaya jadi doktor atau peguam diorang tak mau bercampur dengan India yang kurang pendidikan dan tidak mau terlibat langsung dengan mereka.”
Sudah banyak kali P. Uthayakumar (yang sekarang ini sedang meringkuk di penjara Kajang) merungut kepada saya tentang bangsanya sendiri jenis yang “I am not Indian, I’m Malaysian”, yang bertutur bahasa Inggeris, yang Kristian atau yang perasan diri ‘high class’ tidak mahu terlibat langsung dengan golongan India miskin.
Kerajaan wajib bantu orang India seumpama Tun Razak pada satu ketika dahulu membantu orang Melayu dengan mengadakan pelbagai rancangan untuk memajukan tiga-perempat daripada penduduk Melayu yang pada zaman itu digolongkan sebagai miskin.
Sebab orang India yang terpinggir tidak boleh mengharap kepada orang India sendiri serta tidak boleh mengharap kepada kerajaan-kerajaan negeri Pakatan –
baca ‘Kg Buah Pala: Pagar makan padi (timbalan ketua menteri Pulau Pinang keturunan India itu hanya menurut kata Tokong sahaja, dan bodohnya bercadang untuk membentuk Indraf-DAP untuk melawan pengaruh Hindraf)
maka mereka mahu tak mahu terpaksa berserah kepada harapan Perdana Menteri Najib ‘Nambikei’ Razak akan menepati janjinya.
Re. Sudah banyak kali P. Uthayakumar (yang sekarang ini sedang meringkuk di penjara Kajang) merungut kepada saya tentang bangsanya sendiri jenis yang “I am not Indian, I’m Malaysian”, yang bertutur bahasa Inggeris, yang Kristian atau yang perasan diri ‘high class’ tidak mahu terlibat langsung dengan golongan India miskin.
Sangatlah benar kata-kata ini Helen. Tapi golongan “I am not Indian, I’m Malaysian”, tak pernah nak mengakuinya. Terutamanya yang ikut blog you ni.
Re. Kerajaan wajib bantu orang India seumpama Tun Razak pada satu ketika dahulu membantu orang Melayu dengan mengadakan pelbagai rancangan untuk memajukan tiga-perempat daripada penduduk Melayu yang pada zaman itu digolongkan sebagai miskin.
BETUL SESANGAT tu Helen. Kaum India pula mesti bersatu untuk memperjuangkan hak mereka secara positif. Zaman nak berdemonstari dan merusuh dah patut ditinggalkan.
Helen,
Some perspectives. By the way, I am an Indian and English educated.
Bottom line is people have a choice. I have been in libraries where the only one who is making noise are the young chiko Indians.
As to getting help, I have been rejected by all of AK’s companies only to be accepted by a Chinese billionaires company and at ok position.
I won’t consider myself successful but a survivor.
The lessons I learnt from life is this.
The first thing to solve is the emo. People will offend you, will make fun about your colour, will treat you differently, will not call you for Interview but you cannot get emo. You must always always stay calm.
Number 2, mix with the Chinese and learn to carry balls. That is the requirement to survive. The Chines have all the networks and resources and most important, they have the influencing power. Learning to mix and adept to them means to learn their language and once again, never get emo.
Number 3, be suspicious of Indians. Period. I’ll give you an example. I was working in a MOF Govt project and the client side project head was an Indian and the consultant to the client was an Indian. Both these fellas were making it extremely difficult to close the project because they do not understand a thing. If the races were reversed and the head of the project was Chinese and the consultant was Chinese, and me Chinese (hypothetically), die die at least there will be some kind of practical route out.
As to the “poor estate Indians”, well I can say – if you want to fight you can fight. I also was super ostracised but i resolved not to be a nuisance and to fight until I die, if I have to. You have to man up and never admit defeat.
Re. The first thing to solve is the emo. People will offend you, will make fun about your colour, will treat you differently, will not call you for Interview but you cannot get emo. You must always always stay calm.
This is very true. But you are lucky since you have a good education background to back you up. But the poor are full of anger, hatred and sadness that not only cloud their judgement but also perception and action. Majority of this group are in the destitute areas where social problems is the norm. They have to be relocated to other areas far away from the inherent threat and malaise.
Re. As to the “poor estate Indians”
I do hope the government will come up with an Agropolitan project something to the tune of Felda, for the benefits of the Indian community.
Re. be suspicious of Indians. Period
This applies to “I am not Indian actually” group mostly. I have dealt with them before. Even the tea lady at office last time asked me to look for a job for her husband as driver but with specific request “asal bukan India”.
I hope you can contribute to your community in whatever way you can. One good step is, if you know any vacancy no matter how big or small do give and promote it within your own community.
re: “But the poor are full of anger, hatred and sadness that not only cloud their judgement but also perception and action.”
Very perceptive insight from you.
That’s why I try to highlight the Indian problems using objective data and unemotional stats.
I had hoped that my not being an Indian male can blunt the anger, hatred, sadness and animosity that attends these issues but it is a Sisyphean task ‘cos there are so many armchair critics and detractors.
What I see is that the Indian poor are voiceless because nobody can hear or see them.
A common complaint about where the NEP was hijacked is the diversion of resources to the undeserving, a good example being Shahrizat’s “condo-dwelling” cows and the loans for her family project gotten in the name of Bumiputera entrepreneurship. It’s the same with the Indians.
Say matriculation seats reserved for the Indian community. It is the middle-class, English-speaking suburban Indians who benefit more.
Same with the Malay situation where the Terengganu kampung boy is state-assisted through being given a seat in UiTM but it is some rich Malays with connections (pegawai Jusa and what not) whose children receive scholarships to study abroad and use their excess scholarship money to buy car and drive around in London or wherever.
The acute and critical problem is to reach those Indians right at the bottom of the barrel who are not even aware that there are already existing government programmes open to all races that they can apply for.
The severe drawback is that the Indian parents might only speak Tamil and lack exposure (living in isolated conditions) and they’re ignorant of what is currently available — e.g. Tekun is open to Indians — and they do not have the skill to navigate the bureaucratic red tape.
The more savvy suburban, English-speaking Indian are quicker to bolot whatever the opportunities are provided by the authorities and like the Chinese, these “I’m not Indian actually but Malayalee ke, Gujerati ke” have got superb netowrking.
This is the reason for the wider gap between well-to-do Indians and the bottom 40 percent compared to the other ethnic communities and their bottom 20 percent income earners.
Another thing that Uthaya told me was that the Indians who are the target demography requiring gomen assistance are so poor themselves that even if they wanted to help their own relatives they do not have the capacity to do so.
e.g. in many Malay families, there would be someone who was/is in the army or police or civil service. Uthaya said among the Indians (Tamilians and perhaps not the “I’m-not-Indian-actually” crowd), they would have some relative or know of a friend who has committed suicide.
They are a community in despair.
But when they try to tell the rest of Malaysia that, yes, “Indians” are mired in deep-rooted, seemingly intractable problems, they are attacked as being “racists” for pointing out that these are Indian problems.
The worse of the lot are the oppo supporters who have so much hatred for Umno and so hell-bent on bringing down “the regime” that they will twist and turn and slander anyone who brings up the fact that Pakatan is failing the Indians too.
Asalkan BN tumbang dan Umno dikuburkan, these Dapsters and evangelistas are willing for the minority of the minority (Indian hardcore poor) to become collateral damage and their plight buried so that Pakatan will not be cast in a bad light.
Kesian, is it the Malays fault too? What about voluntary and assisted repatriation?
Let them vent their venom in Mother India.
Apalah kamu. Kita kat sini nak cuba bagi pencerahan. Bukan hanya cakap kosong.
HARAP SI KJ dan Press Secretary nya yang “hottie” katanya tu baca dan faham. Jangan makan GAJI BUTA aje. KJ tu menteri BELIA dan SUKAN. Setakat ni yang dengar kokokan dia yang berderai-derai pasal bolasepak dan sepak takraw aje. Agenda belia India bila lagi. Atau takut tangan tu kotor dan jijik nak salam dengan orang “MISKIN”?
Re. Say matriculation seats reserved for the Indian community. It is the middle-class, English-speaking suburban Indians who benefit more.
Someone commented in your blog that this year there are already a group of Indian students getting places in one Polytechnic in Johor. They are accepted not based on merits. This type of news should be highlighted and publicized to boost up the morale of the Indian community. I have also mentioned that one private university college since 2007 has a MOU with Angkatan Tentera Malaysia, to sponsor about 400 Indians students yearly.
Re. The severe drawback is that the Indian parents might only speak Tamil and lack exposure (living in isolated conditions) and they’re ignorant of what is currently available — e.g. Tekun is open to Indians — and they do not have the skill to navigate the bureaucratic red tape.
The grassroots leaders must really go down and get dirty to reach the poor and destitute. Soalnya adakah mereka mahu? Tenguk semua menteri-menteri Indian yand ada sekarang dan terdahulu. Semuanya sibuk memenuhkan poket sendiri.
I remember during the Hindraf demo, while all the poor Indian, young and old alike, berpanas, berhujan berarak menyuarakan bantahan, Uttaya and his brother were seen leaving the entrance of Batu Cave in Brand New Mercedes.
Re. They are a community in despair.
Hati mereka telah mati sebenarnya. Kerana harapan dan kepercayaan mereka kepada mereka yang diharapkan sudah tidak ada lagi. PERIOD.
Bila lihat photo pemuda India yang mati diatas, saya tertanya-tanya berapa ramaikah diantara kita yang simpati pada beliau?
The rest of us just can’t keep blaming or ignoring this group. What are we going to do about it? The price is not going to be cheap for everyone of us. There is a good article in the economist that I read longtime ago about the economics of violence
Are countries poor because they are violent or violent because they are poor?
http://www.economist.com/node/18558041
This is the situation of the poor Indian community in Malaysia now.
‘Someone commented in your blog that this year there are already a group of Indian students getting places in one Polytechnic’, tapi in Butterworth.
LOL, I did. Tapi it was in Seberang Perai Utara. More info here, Helen UMNO ada tolong. Dulu pun UMNO tolong tapi MIC sapu bagi sesama diaorang!
Tanya Sammy?!
http://www.sinarharian.com.my/arkib/program-destini-anak-india-beri-peluang-pelajar-sederhana-ke-tahap-tinggi-1.164150
And
http://www.puo.edu.my/portalv4/index.php/ms/arkib/27-malay-content/hebahan-makluman/1492-program-mengubah-destini-anak-india-malaysia-mdaim
re: “UMNO ada tolong. Dulu pun UMNO tolong tapi MIC sapu bagi sesama diaorang!”
Sebab tulah Najib terpaksa sendiri turun padang jumpa orang India.
Setuju. Tapi orang India kena bersatu hati. Bersatu suara. Macam you cakap diaorang ada berapa dailies, enam? Saya pun tak tahu pasal ni.
Persatuan politik India atau berteraskan India pun ada banyak.
UMNO pun pening. MIC kata dia champion. IPF kata dia pun champion. Kayveas pun sama. Hindraf lagi. Susahla ini macam.
Kalau duduk dalam satu payung. Bagi signal yang jelas kepada kerajaan. Pasti kerja bantu anak bangsa India akan menjadi lebih mudah!
Saya setuju dengan pandangan bahawa masalah India masalah semua rakyat Malaysia sebab kita dalam satu negara. Kalau diorang jadi perompak, dia orang akan rompak daripada rakyat Malaysia yang lain-lain juga. Orang India sendiri pun diaorang rompak.
Tapi bila orang India nak bersatu? Helen you ada tanya diaorang tak?
But you are lucky since you have a good education background to back you up
I am lucky cause I work in Singapore. I struggled working in Malaysia and finding any opening. In Singapore, everybody who is willing to work hard and stay calm can find a decent livelihood.
Yes. It is all started with good education. Without that you are nowhere near where you are now.
The Chinese Malaysian view of Indian Malaysians falls into 2 categories.
Category 1
If the Indian is English educated, he will be looked upon as civilized. Modern Man to quote a friend of mine. Another friend put it this way. The Indian, if he is English educated, he is a whitey to the Chinese. He will be looked at favorably.
Category 2
If the Indian in question received his education from vernacular school, he will be looked upon as uncivilized. The stuff I often hear from the Chinese when referring to this group of Indians, and my Malay friends confirm this, the Chinese will often say these Indians are unworthy of any help, these Indians are uncouth, wife beaters, domestic violence, the Chinese will associate these Indians with such labels.
You think these Chinese look at you favorably ? You said it yourself. You’re English educated. Now Imagine if you are one of those Indians educated at vernacular schools. Then maybe, just maybe, you will look at yourself and the Chinese differently.
Everybody has a choice and that is the key point.
I’ll tell you a story. I was working but had decided to spend Saturday at a private college library to be exact to revise up on some stuff for professional exam. In the library were these 2 young Indian chikos making noise and bothering people. If I aw aw, whats the point, so I just kept calm and soldiered on.
A lot has been said by commentators. Some say I belong to the “I am not an Indian”. To that I would say yes. I’d rather be a Jew anytime.
Shadow Banker.
Don’t get disheartened. People are so mean in here including me. You need to find way to help your community, regardless where you are. I want you to know that I am an Ultra-Racist-Malay after PRU13 but as a Muslim I can’t just close one eye over others plight regardless race and religion.
Re. Everybody has a choice and that is the key point.
Yes indeed. But to the poor the access t is too far and remote. Lack of self esteem, anger, hatred, sadness have become mixed up with their reality. As I said earlier, it clouds their judgement, perception and action. Someone has to come forward to give them some guidance and teach them how to teach their community in return, so that it will have a continuous effect.
Tak lah jadi JERUSUBANG INDIAN yang dikatakan “I am not Indian actually”.
I help where I can but I don’t want to brag about it. I actually help all races where I can because only morons are racist.
No hard feelings given, no hard feelings taken.
I agree with you. When emo mix up with a pant up frustration, it can become a nuclear.
I think the first step to do is improving the education level of Indian. Furthermore, we need an Indian champion to tell the Indian that, education is the first thing to do to improve their people life. With education come an enlightment.
Some Indian take this matter lightly. They think that it alright that their children to be educated until standard 6. It still widely believe among the Indian that the girls don’t need to study higher than form 5 but a lot of them only study until standard 6 or form 3 especially if the family have a son and not so well to do. Usually a son get a priority to study higher than the girls.
A waste of potential as I think, a generation of educated women can change the entire second generation livehood. That what happen to the Malay actually (that my personal opinion). If it work for Malay, than what make it not working for an Indian?
:) sarah
BN bagi banyak fund untuk orang India melalui MIC. Tapi pemimpin diorang tak salurkan 100 peratus kat bangsa diorang. yang pemimpin ni di pilih oleh bangsa diorang jugak. orang India dalam DAP pun dinafikan hak diorang. Jadi kalau kata kerajaan tak bantu orang India memang tak adil.
Tengok orang India parti ada banyak seperti MIC,DAP,ppf entah apa-apa lagi parti dan NGO. Tapi satu bila pemilihan parti, atau ketua sesama diorang bertumbuk nak naikkan pemimpin masing-masing.
Orang melayu kalau you tengok memang nampak tak bersatu tapi you tak tahu dalam hati diorang hati dan jiwa tetap Islam dan masih takut jugak pada ALLah. Kalau tak caya cuba you perhatikan orang melayu yang liberal minum arak, kaki perempuan, kaki judi tapi hati diorang masih ada ketakutan pada Allah.
Dalam diam masa bulan ramadhan diorang nilah hantar banyak duit kat masjid hari jumaat bulan puasa, diorang jugaklah bagi scholarship untuk orang miskin dan hantar orang miskin pergi haji. Walau diorang macam tak campur bangsa sendiri tapi hati dan jiwa masih ada perasaan nak buat baik sesama Islam dan sesama melayu supaya dosa diorang hapus bila mati nanti.
Tapi orang melayu Islam buat kebajikan tak tunjuk kat orang takut menunjuk tak dapat pahala.
re: “yang pemimpin ni di pilih oleh bangsa diorang jugak.”
Apakan daya … evangelista al-Nakba yang membawa malapetaka pun dipilih oleh bangsa Cina juga.
re: “Tengok orang India parti ada banyak seperti MIC,DAP,ppf entah apa-apa lagi parti dan NGO.”
Ada 4 orang India, mereka akan tubuhkan 5 parti dan wujudkan 10 jawatan ,) Tapi sepertimana yang disyorkan LOL upthread, “If they don’t act in unison from now on they are forever going to miss the boat”.
re: “Orang melayu kalau you tengok memang nampak tak bersatu tapi you tak tahu dalam hati diorang hati dan jiwa tetap Islam dan masih takut jugak pada ALLah. Kalau tak caya cuba you perhatikan orang melayu yang liberal minum arak, kaki perempuan, kaki judi tapi hati diorang masih ada ketakutan pada Allah.”
I setuju dengan pandangan Ayi dalam hal ini.
re: “Tapi orang melayu Islam buat kebajikan tak tunjuk kat orang takut menunjuk tak dapat pahala.”
Tangan kanan memberi tangan kiri jangan sampai tau. Tapi ini tidak dengan si evangelista yang siap pakai tudung masuk masjid sedekah RM500 ambil gambar siarkan dalam Facebook, tweet-twwet-tweet, panggil pemberita Selangor Times dan J-Star Metro kokok berderai-derai riuh sekampung.
ref: “Tangan kanan memberi tangan kiri jangan sampai tau. Tapi ini tidak dengan si evangelista yang siap pakai tudung masuk masjid sedekah RM500 ambil gambar siarkan dalam Facebook, tweet-twwet-tweet, panggil pemberita Selangor Times dan J-Star Metro kokok berderai-derai riuh sekampung.”
Sekiranya si Evangelista (ALLAH 3-in-1) itu insaf, dia tak akan beramal begitu sebab Jesus selalu mencegah manusia dari bersifat riak yang tercelah di sisi Tuhan. Dan kalau dia betul suka belajar tentang iman seorang Muslim pasti dia akan takut menonjolkan perbuatan kebaikannya untuk bermuka-muka sebab Nabi Muhammad s.a.w. telah menekankan bahawa sifat RIAK itu adalah SYIRIK YANG TERSEMBUNYI dalam dada manusia. Maka Al-Quran ada mengistiharakan bahawa SI MUSYRIKIN tidak akan di ampunkan dosa besarnya selama dia mahu mensyirikkan Allah yang Maha Esa dan Maha Megetahui. Takkan pakaian tudung, songkok, dan baju Melayu akan dapat selamatkan orang yang berdosa besar-besaran dari api neraka perciptaan Allah yang Maha Penyayang mahupun Maha Adil?
Jadi orang India kena lah bantu sesama sendiri. pemimpin mesti ada jiwa India.
Kalau you tengok orang India yang masuk Islam tokey kedai mamak, supermarket mydin atau peguam. mesti diorang dahulukan bangsa sendiri yang beragama islam.
Mengapa pemimpin India tak buat macam tu? Kalau tak percaya cuba you tengok iklan Deepavali arahan Yasmin Ahmad. orang India bunuh bisnes sesama India.
re: “Jadi orang India kena lah bantu sesama sendiri. pemimpin mesti ada jiwa India.”
They are no more Indian. They have become Malaysian First. And only Malaysian. Nothing else but Malaysian. Nein, nehi Indian. Sampai sijil beranak diorang pun enggan memuat butiran keturunan ‘India’ tetapi zuriat boleh pula dialih bangsa menjadi “Cina”.
re: “Kalau you tengok orang India yang masuk Islam tokey kedai mamak, supermarket mydin atau peguam. mesti diorang dahulukan bangsa sendiri yang beragama islam.”
Betui jugak.
re: “Mengapa pemimpin India tak buat macam tu? Kalau tak percaya cuba you tengok iklan Deepavali arahan Yasmin Ahmad. orang India bunuh bisnes sesama India.”
Takpe lah. Baik daripada Najib berwajahkan Ah Jib Gor, kita carikan nama India bagi PM kita tu dan tabalkan beliau sebagai abang angkat kaum miskin India.
Re. Takpe lah. Baik daripada Najib berwajahkan Ah Jib Gor, kita carikan nama India bagi PM kita tu dan tabalkan beliau sebagai abang angkat kaum miskin India.
Rasanya dah lapuk idea tu, sebab dah ada Sivaji the Boss aka Anwar Ibrahim dulu.
Helen Deepavali dah nak dekat, cuba you buat POLL siapa yang sokong kalau ada program untuk beli baju raya Deepavali untuk budak-budak India yag berumur 17 tahun kebawah seramai 50 hingga 100 orang?
Tapi rasa saya tak akan ada punya yang akan benar-benar sokong, sebab blog you ni adalah “Feel Good Channel” for everyone and that’s the end of it. Nobody really cares to contribute but all of them (tak kiralah bangsa apa) will go Gung Ho to criticize and blame the government.
re: “Rasanya dah lapuk idea tu, sebab dah ada Sivaji the Boss aka Anwar Ibrahim dulu.”
Ha ha ha. What to do. Pakatan mendahului dalam segalanya. BN yang terpaksa play catch up.
India kalau nak hidup di Malaysia kena belajar mengangkat bola kaum Cina. Utayakumar memang 100% berjiwa India tetapi dia merengkuk dalam penjara. Siap kena seksa.
India tidak boleh hidup di Malaysia jikalau keIndiaan mereka dikikis. Tetapi pekara ini tidak diberani disebut oleh mana2 pihak politik kerana ia akan menyebabkan kemarahan dari kaum India.
Kalau India tak belajar angkat kaum bola kaum Cina dia akan di tipu mentah2 oleh kaum dia sendiri ataupun di hasut oleh pejuang2 bangsa spt Utayakumar utk berbuat bodoh.
Kalau sudah pandai mengangkat bola org Cina barulah sedikit sebanyak akan mempelajari cara dia orang. Pertama, kena tegas dan tidak boleh berputar belit. Kedua kena menjauhkan diri dari mereka yang tak berguna. Ini semua Cina ajar, kita akan angkat bola dan kita boleh hidup. Ketiga, belajar mengunci mulut.
Apa yang nak dibisingkan. Kerajaan dah tabur macam2 kepada orang India sebelum pilihanraya dan buat pakatan dengan Hindraf. Laksanakan je lah apa yang telah dijanjikan. Apa yang dah dijanjikan oleh kerajaan pada orang India sebelum pilihanraya tak nak pula kamu highlight cik Helen oi. Jahat sungguh kamu ni nak mencetuskan ketegangan dan permusuhan.
Apa yang penting pantau perlaksanaan apa yang telah dijandikan pada orang India. Tapi kamu memilih untuk fokus kepada apa yang dijanjikan pada bumiputera pula.
Shame on you. Si hati, fikiran & mulut busuk.
re: “Kerajaan dah tabur macam2 kepada orang India sebelum pilihanraya dan buat pakatan dengan Hindraf. Laksanakan je lah apa yang telah dijanjikan.”
Betul, gula-gula dan janji ditabur sana sini. Tapi belum ada apa-apa dijanjikan Najib kepada Hindraf yang dilaksanakan. Sila baca report card yang dikeluarkan Hindraf — http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/100-days-on-hindraf-dismayed-with-putrajaya-deal
re: “Apa yang dah dijanjikan oleh kerajaan pada orang India sebelum pilihanraya tak nak pula kamu highlight cik Helen oi.”
Pentadbiran Najib dan BN menjanjikan itu dan ini. Kalau nak saya highlight, boleh. Nah — intipatinya semuanya NON-DELIVERY. Sila baca ‘Hindraf naive to expect more from MOU’ @ http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/241005
re: “Jahat sungguh kamu ni nak mencetuskan ketegangan dan permusuhan.”
Jahat BN yang kata-katanya enggan dikotakan. Sebab tulah BN hilang undi popular dan terlepas ke tangan pembangkang 12 daripada 14 bandar ibunegeri.
re: “Apa yang penting pantau perlaksanaan apa yang telah dijanjikan pada orang India.”
Correct, correct, correct. See, ‘100 day report card: Hindraf disappointed but will give MOU more time’ @ http://my.news.yahoo.com/video/100-day-report-card-hindraf-140046770.html
re: “Tapi kamu memilih untuk fokus kepada apa yang dijanjikan pada bumiputera pula.”
Aiyoyo. Dulu Umno janji dengan Suqiu tahun 1999 (gabungan badan-badan Cina) tapi janji tidak ditepati. Sekarang orang India dok melenguh, tengok http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2013/09/05/has-the-pm-cheated-us/
Sekarang ni banyak dijanjikan pada bumiputera. Okay, sabar-sabar menunggu ya.
re: “Shame on you. Si hati, fikiran & mulut busuk.”
Kalau you hati, fikiran dan mulut baik dan elok sekali, saya sedia bagi ruang engko buat posting di blog ni untuk memfokus kepada apa yang dijanjikan pada orang India, dipantau perlaksanaannya serta untuk mendesak agar apa yang telah dijanjikan ditunaikan.
Ada berani?
BETUL SESANGAT tu Helen apa yang you tulis.
kenapa tidak di highlightkan saja non delivery janji-janji kerajaan kepada kaum India. Kamu hanya quota dari website lain pasal non delivery & janji tidak ditepati. Mana analisis2 & tulisan posting kamu sendiri pasal non-delivery.
Dengan quoting website lain, itu menandakan ianya hanyalah afterthought untuk menegak benang yang basah bagi menjawab tuduhan saya. Terselah kamu tidak berminat dgn apa yang dijanjikan oleh kerajaan dan apa yg telah/tidak dilaksanakan. Kamu hanya berminat untuk ketengahkan apa yang dijanjikan pada bumiputera
re: “Mana analisis2 & tulisan posting kamu sendiri pasal non-delivery.”
Saya tidak menulis kerana ia bukan tempat saya untuk menilai. Juga masih bersangka baik serta menunggu untuk BN tepati janji-janji mereka (giving them benefit of the doubt).
Baru-baru ini, sampai detik 100 hari dan maka dengan itu Hindraf keluarkan report card mereka.
re: “Dengan quoting website lain, itu menandakan ianya hanyalah afterthought untuk menegak benang yang basah bagi menjawab tuduhan saya. Terselah kamu tidak berminat dgn apa yang dijanjikan oleh kerajaan dan apa yg telah/tidak dilaksanakan.”
“Beforethought” saya dah banyak lah sebelum ni. You yang jahil dan tak BACA.
Hindraf Q & A
Hindraf explains the MoU
Uthaya: “No ‘ubah’ for Indian poor in Pakatan dictionary”
Hindraf replies to Mariam Mokhtar’s 10 questions
Hindraf meeting Najib today
But Hindraf, you have declared war on Umno before, bukan?
Hindraf kecam klip video hina Nabi
Hindraf views on the coming general election
Kenapa Uthaya menolak ABU
re: “Kamu hanya berminat untuk ketengahkan apa yang dijanjikan pada bumiputera”
Aiyah. Yang dok hentam “Umnoputra” tu puak yang bergelar Dapsters. Blog saya lebih teruja dengan lentuk lalang The J-Star dan penyakit koma MCA.
haha…sempoi la engko helen balas persoalan fadzli.. lawak plak aku baca.. tenang ja engko jawab..
Re. Shame on you. Si hati, fikiran & mulut busuk
This doesn’t MELAYU to me Helen. What do you think?
Kelakarkan diorang ni…
Sudahlah Fadzli, stop being TAKABBUR, we’re trying to get to the roots of justice which matters above all isn’t it? Bukankah orang Mukmin itu digelarkan Al-Quran sebagai kharul ummatin lin-naas? …. iaitu sebaik-baik kaum untuk dijadikan contoh teladan bagi manusia? Kenal lah diri kita sendiri.
Cuba cerita tang mana yang aku tulis tu takabbur. Jangan main sedap tulis je. Cer cerita.. Susah kalau ada muslim penjilat yang cuba mengguna Al-Quran untuk justify diri sendiri.
“Shame on you. Si hati, fikiran & mulut busuk” – itulah takabbur! Now justify yourself! Jangan main sedap tulis je.
Ko faham ke apa maksud takabbur? Cuba bukak definisi takabbur dan cuba relate balik dgn ayat aku. Maksud takabbur pun tak tahu ada hati nak mengata orang.
re: “Shame on you. Si hati, fikiran & mulut busuk.”
Kalau you hati, fikiran dan mulut baik dan elok sekali, saya sedia bagi ruang engko buat posting di blog ni untuk memfokus kepada apa yang dijanjikan pada orang India, dipantau perlaksanaannya serta untuk mendesak agar apa yang telah dijanjikan ditunaikan.
Ada berani?”
Hi Helen…, terasa hati pulak you bila orang kata mulut busuk…! Semua orang bermulut busuk jika tidak menggosok gigi dan ambik mudah dgn kebersihan diri.
Fikiran juga akan sentiasa runsing dan tidak menentu jika telah dikuasi oleh nafsu dan akan menjadi hati mati jika terlalu banyak ketawa…, bergembira seolah-olah dunia ini dia yang punya…!
You boleh lihat dan perhatikan (tindak-tanduk dan tingkahlaku serta tuturkata) setiap hari orang-orang di sekeliling you yang hatinya telah mati…, dan dapatkan perbezaannya dengan orang-orang yang berhatiperut..!
Oleh itu jangan lebih-lebih sangat ampu……
Hi Muda,
Long time no hear from you dan bila kembali mengomen, cakap berlapik-lapik pula.
Mestilah berlapik…, bukahkah kita ini kaya dgn budi-bahasa…! Sekali-sekala i jenguk dan singgah kat warung you ini jika ada waktu terluang.
Bertambah maju bisnes you dan semakin ramai pula mula-muka baru yang berkunjung ke warung you. Agaknya, mereka ketagih dgn white coffee yg terdapat di sini.
Selamat majujaya dan jaga diri sesempurna mungkin. Kena ingat selalu, hadamkan hidup ini dgn penuh makna dan jangan sekali-kali mencipta masalah…
Nope, under DEB all races also have chances. Look at top 20 richest. Ananda & Tony?
Chinese should promote Malay and Indian to become richer as they will have more opportunity to become richer if Malay & Indian richer.
They should not fight politically and just take opportunities when these races become richer.
Chinese will suffer eventually in terms of business opportunity and security if they want to have bigger (tamak) of the cake.
MAKE THE CAKE BIGGER LA…. and Most people from all races would be prosperous and happy.
The country is heading towards make the cake smaller and lets fight to get the biggest portion…. then fighting would continue until we hit each other…..Tanda Putera
Now, looks like BN need to entertain who voted for them to show appreciation. Why need to give to those who dont appreciate
re: “Now, looks like BN need to entertain who voted for them to show appreciation.”
My reading is that in GE14, Umno will get the Malay votes and DAP the Chinese votes as well as the Indian middle-class/professional, English-speaking, Christian urban votes.
Not sure which way the Sabah-Sarawak pribumi Christian electorate will swing. DAP is playing the Christian religion card and the ‘Allah’ issue may backlash against the BN among the non-Muslim Borneans.
Similarly unsure about the Hindu, Tamil-speaking and poorer Indians votes. It’s a potential playmaker if the hundreds of thousands (nobody can give a concrete, verifiable figure) “stateless” Indians can be given proper MyKads.
They do not have ICs because they are poor, illiterate, lived in remote plantations, were ignorant of bureaucracy (red tape) and some may have been born of brides from India where the mothers were perhaps without proper registration themselves.
This group could more likely be persuaded to throw their lot with the BN since Pakatan and their supporters are fond of mocking BN voters as backward kampung folks.
My assessment is that Tamil speakers can be attracted to stick with BN because the Tamil media owners (this small community got 6 Tamil dailies!) are aligned to the MIC bosses if not directly controlled by the MIC politicians. Media influence is important and that’s why I keep reminding that BN has totally lost the English-language press be it online or print.
It’s unfathomable to me how some Umno politicians can choose to be so gung ho and acting like BN doesn’t want or need minority votes anymore. Why the Umno guys – in further racheting up the race and religion stakes (I realise that they do this for the sake of political survival) – tak semena-mena menyakitkan hati orang India.
Their (Indian) votes are for Umno to lose. BN can retain these votes if only Umno pollies are more circumspect dan tak terlepas cakap.
You should look at the position of PKR and PAS in PR if DAP becomes too dominant after GE14. I m not saying that the DAP is not dominant as of now but surely, GE14 will cement its status as the most dominant component party of Pakatan,
Then what ? If the Malays in PKR and PAS are not comfortable with it, some may feel threatened by such dominance, who is to say that these people will not throw in their lot with Umno and BN ?
Now I hear that with Pakatan, the Chinese say that they have equality. But equality at what price ? Have the Chinese ask themselves if the Malays and Indians in Pakatan are comfortable with such equality ?
GE13 laid the foundation for a 2 race political system, with the other races playing supporting roles.
I m afraid that with GE14, it will be cast in stone and there will be no turning back for us for decades to come.
re: “who is to say that these people will not throw in their lot with Umno and BN?”
Let’s see the outcome of the PAS party elections and how the factions fare. But outside of the party proper and where PAS officially chooses to remain, I believe some PAS members will quietly drift to Umno. The ‘Allah’ case is a catalyst for their disillusionment with PAS.
re: “Now I hear that with Pakatan, the Chinese say that they have equality. But equality at what price?”
Good point. The Chinese can’t revert to BN anymore b’cos MCA and the rest of the Chinese-majorities no longer have any place in the coalition. Therefore the die is cast and the bridges burned. If BN put up MCA or Gerakan Chinese candidates for Malay-majority areas in GE14, BN will lose those seats.
re: “Have the Chinese ask themselves if the Malays and Indians in Pakatan are comfortable with such equality?”
The Chinese are syok sendiri. They think that by wearing tudung and ucap “Insya Allah” they are trusted and accepted and their evangelista god is Allah and so, all are equal. They also think that through their ‘Beyond Race’ Firsting, they can sneakily subvert Article 153.
re: “GE13 laid the foundation for a 2 race political system, with the other races playing supporting roles. I m afraid that with GE14, it will be cast in stone and there will be no turning back for us for decades to come.”
Most definitely. The Chinese have made their bed. Come what may, they have to lie in it.
Re. Most definitely. The Chinese have made their bed. Come what may, they have to lie in it
As RPK put it right before PRU!13, they are going to bite you back on your ASS.
“My assessment is that Tamil speakers can be attracted to stick with BN because the Tamil media owners (this small community got 6 Tamil dailies!) are aligned to the MIC bosses if not directly controlled by the MIC politicians. Media influence is important…”
Yeah, but no newspaper or media bullshit can really compensate for the sheer high-handedness that the Umngok goons have displayed towards the Hindus and their religion recently. And the follow-up comments from the Umngok ministers.
Try “spinning” that.
Don’t think any “nambikei” slogans and unheeded MOUs and broken promises will work next time.
(Oh, and Indians pump petrol too. So that’s another broken promise.)
The mata sepet (the real ones, not the paid apologists) had it right all along – better to go down in flames with integrity intact than to side with evil.
You sound like a typical evangelist.
Re. better to go down in flames with integrity intact than to side with evil
The word EVIL. Yes ! Evil. You could smell the presence of an evangelist the moment you see the word EVIL.
Your Malay name. I m not sure if you are Malay as you wrote
“Yeah, but no newspaper or media bullshit can really compensate for the sheer high-handedness that the Umngok goons have displayed towards the Hindus and their religion recently. And the follow-up comments from the Umngok ministers.”
Yes !!!!!! Umnogok and goons. Yes !!!!!!! The favorite labels used by the Malaysian First crowd to describe Umno people and those who support them.
You know, I have known a lot of Malays from the Opposition. They may not like Umno, some are hostile toward Umno, but they never use such words to describe Umno and people close to Umno.
Are you really a Malay ? Maybe. Maybe not.
re: “The word EVIL. Yes ! Evil. You could smell the presence of an evangelist the moment you see the word EVIL.”
Hahaha. So vely, vely tlue. Evil working with the devil and walking on the dark side.
hahahaha….evangelist detected!
sounds like M.A.C.A.I detected.
M – Menurut / Mengikut
A – Apa saja
C – Cakap
A – Anwar
I – Ibrahim
……
M.A.C.A.I.? As long as boleh buat Song and Dance even SODOMY is not SATANIC ya??? Did anak syaitan promise you heaven? [YouTube]
What’s an “evangelist?” A Chinese Christian DAPig, I presume? Nope, sorry, none of the above – none of the three. Just someone who’s anti-bullshit, and there is no party on earth that is as full of fertilizer as Umngok.
“Hahaha. So vely, vely tlue.”
Well done HA, you sounded almost Chinese there for a minute, rather the sell-out you are.
Congrats!
PS: Seriously, Malays call Umno far worse names than I bring myself to re-type here. At least the clear-minded ones do.
Enjoy!
Pasti “Khairil” ni bukan Melayu :)
Melayu jugak kut tapi Melayu CELUP….I think you know who that is…LOL
The Karim Raslan type?
Karim WHO?
“You know, I have known a lot of Malays from the Opposition. They may not like Umno, some are hostile toward Umno, but they never use such words to describe Umno and people close to Umno.”
You certainly do not mix enough with the pro Opposition Malays. ;-)
In fact the term UMNgok was invented by pro Opposition Malays in response to the mudslinging from Barisan Nasional. Google it and find out. It cannot be hard to do. ;-)
“It’s unfathomable to me how some Umno politicians can choose to be so gung ho and acting like BN doesn’t want or need minority votes anymore. Why the Umno guys – in further racheting up the race and religion stakes (I realise that they do this for the sake of political survival) – tak semena-mena menyakitkan hati orang India.”
Why is it unfathomable to you? You are surprised that the race-religious supremacist attitudes of the ultra conservatives would eventually rub against the Hindu/Indian community?
When they scapegoat certain communities, you also goad them on with your articles. Then, when they react to incidents such as Seri Pristana by telling those parents who complained to ‘go back to India’, ‘know your place’, or ‘move to a Tamil school if you do not like it’ you are puzzled that they have applied their ethnocentric attitude towards the Indians.
re: “you are puzzled that they have applied their ethnocentric attitude towards the Indians.”
I concur that there is a certain amount of scapegoating certain communities as well as creating a bogeyman. Of course it troubles me when there is the name-calling ranging from Cinabeng to Chinks/Chingkies to Pigs.
But you must concede that the Chinese Christian opposition similarly demonize Umno and by extension the Malays.
However when you talk about ethnocentrism and race-religious supremacist attitudes, the Chinese possess this in equal measure if not more.
The ‘threat’ that provokes the reaction and retaliation from the majority has to be evaluated realistically. The Indians and Hindus do not pose a major threat.
Attempting to subvert and steal the ‘Allah’ word and the way that the evangelists have gone about doing it, in my opinion, poses a genuine threat.
So yes, I’m puzzled that some Malay right wingers have applied their ethnocentric attitude towards the Indians because the imminent clash is Sino-Malay — Muslims vs Christians.
Saudara India kita ini jika kita biarkan sendirian mencorak halatuju mereka, maka akhirnya mereka akan menjadi duri dalam daging. Kita tiada pilihan melainkan bersama sama membantu mereka. Kerajaan UMNO selain berjuang untuk melayu, perlu juga membuat perancangan tentang masa depan rakyat berketurunan india ini.
Perbalahan melayu dan cina hanyalah berkaitan dengan siapa yang mengaut lebih banyak pengagihan hasil negara dimana kemungkinan akan berlaku pertumpahan darah adalah agak hampir tidak akan terjadi melainkan jika isu agama mengambil tempat.
Namun yang perlu kita akui, India yang tiada harapan / kemampuan untuk bersama sama menikmati kemewahan negara kita akan mengambilnya secara paksa dari melayu dan india.. Kita perlu didik dan bantu saudara India kita ini untuk sama sama bersaing secara sihat.
Masalah serious diMalaysia dari dulu sampai sekarang kita lupa darah kita semua satu warna walaupun berlainan kumpulan. Penjenayah yang ditembak tu semuanya setakat ini masih lagi mengeluarkan darah yang berwarna merah dan belum ada lagi yang mengeluarkan darah warna hijau, biru, kuning dan sebagainya.
Masalah kita ialah semua kaum mahukan sama rata tapi hanya setakat menghimpunkan harta, kekayaan dan kepuasan hak individu dan sesuatu kaum sahaja dan lain lain dari itu majoriti nya masih menolak sebagai contoh sistem pendidikan satu aliran dalam usaha mengujudkan jenerasi bangsa Malaysia.
Samada kita suka atau tidak pendidikan ini perlu bermula dari sekolah dimana semua anak anak kita dari semua bangsa dapat belajar dibawah satu bumbung dan hanya inilah saja cara nya kita akan dapat melahirkan generasi Bangsa Malaysia (walaupun mustahil untuk mencapai 100%) yang dapat duduk sama rendah dan berdiri sama tinggi dan berasa bangga menjadi rakyat Malaysia.
Kesimpulannya sistem persekolahan vernakular wajib dihapuskan terlebih dahulu dan kualiti pendidikan kebangsaan wajib dipertingkatkan bagi mendapat sokongan dari semua terutamanya kaum Cina.
Orang Cina akan terjun dengan labu-labu mereka.
Jadi buat masa ini biar kita tumpu pada usaha membasmi kemiskinan tegar di kalangan mereka yang masih dibelenggu poverty cycle (terjemahannya kepada BM ialah “kemiskinan dalam satu kitaran ganas” tapi bunyi macam janggal sikit).
Bagi sesiapa yang berminat, boleh jenguk kat blog Hisham yang membincangkan bagaimana gini co-efficient intra-ethnic bagi orang India sudah melabar, yakni India golongan atasan berjaya meningkatkan tahap pendapatan mereka tetapi India golongan miskin jatuh lagi miskin.
http://econsmalaysia.blogspot.com/2013/09/documenting-income-inequality-2012.html
Pesanan Hari Malaysia dari Tuhan kami.
http://limguaneng.com/index.php/2013/09/15/reducing-income-inequality-not-creating-more-millionaires-will-help-resolve-malaysias-4-real-problems-and-realise-the-merdeka-promise-of-a-prosperous-and-just-malaysia-that-is-safe-clean-g/
Selamat Hari Malaysia.
Helen,
They say “it takes two to tango”. And there is a saying too ” the moment a decision is made, destiny is shaped’.
Politics, economy and social welfare go hand in hand. At one spectrum, chinese holds economic influence unmatched by other races. And they guard their influence jealously.
And at other end of spectrum, Malays controls politics by virtue of being the biggest race in Malaysia.. They too guard their control on politics quite jealously.
And the indians are in between. Their influence in no way match that of both malays and chinese.
There is no easy way out. But in all sincerity, I often advise may Indian friends that there is no need to “wage war’ in order to get attention deserved.
Meaning saying that police involved in racial profiling when tackling gangterism (meaning alleged targeting of Indians) will create unnecessary enemy .
And the habit of “hysteria” when a gangster is dead must stop. There is no need to defend a gangster.
And i am surprise that this so called “caste” is still relevant albeit on not so extreme scale as compared to India. One of my Indian told me that he has to break relationship with his girlfriend as she comes from lower caste. This is new to me. Why submit to such “fahaman” ?, I asked him. “”masyarakat”, he answered me.
Having said that, I am all for helping Indians with specific programmed. Malays will not object say if UMNO led Government wants to create 1000 scholarship for academically excellent Indian students.
JUST DO NOT REDUCE Malay portion to help the indians.
SA,
Re: JUST DO NOT REDUCE Malay portion to help the indians.
What do you mean? Let say there is only one government scholarship for SPM leavers. There are 2 applicants. Both took the same no. of subjects. A Malay with all As except for one subject. The other is an Indian with straight As. If the scholarship is given to the Indian applicant, will this tantamount to “JUST DO NOT REDUCE Malay portion to help the indians”?
Thanks.
Selangor,
It is very simple actually. Malays have no problem if UMNO wants to grant 10000 scholarship to deserving minorities. What they do not like is when their portion is reduced. Meaning they insist on their rights as per enshrined in the Constitution.
SA,
If 10000 scholarships can be granted to the deserving minorities, then what is the ‘portion’ or no. of scholarships that must be reserved to the Malays? Any ratio or formula for the allocation?
re : And i am surprise that this so called “caste” is still relevant albeit on not so extreme scale as compared to India. One of my Indian told me that he has to break relationship with his girlfriend as she comes from lower caste. This is new to me. Why submit to such “fahaman” ?, I asked him. “”masyarakat”, he answered me.
I’m not surprise with this statement. It is still existing in Malaysia as it is existing in India. As I work with a lot of Indian, I know it is a fact of life for Malaysian Indian.
And that why I see the only way to get out of it is using education as a tools to change their prospective of life. Like I inform a lot of Indian, when majority of you success in live, there is no caste anymore. People will only see success here. After all, India is far away from Malaysia and there are no rules saying you have to follow your motherland India caste here. You are your own and only you can shape your lives.
:D sarah
Sarah,
I am speechless too. Why submit to a system that everyone knows impedes your growth, development. It was an eye opener to me. Only recently I was told about prevalent caste system adhered by indian community in Malaysia.
“Why submit to a system that everyone knows impedes your growth, development.”
In Malaysia, the Malay is Muslim by legal enforcement. Malays do not have a choice. So if you look at it from this angle, the Indians, mainly Hindus of Tamil descent can’t escape the caste system due to similar societal pressure.
I am sure there are Malays who would like to leave Islam, and it is taboo to discuss it frankly. But in reality you have people who openly drink alcohol, meaning they no longer practice the religion yet they are still officially Muslims. There is not even a legal option out.
The Arabs, the progenitor of Arabization world wide, which the Malaysian Christians seem likely to emulate with the Allah for God campaign, is far from being pious Muslims.
Muslims are Muslims, good or bad. Murtad is another story altogether! Muslim knows this.
Sleepy, come over to Bukit Bintang once in a while if you can, ok?
Tak dak yang cukup selagi hidup; bila mati baru cukup, tu pun cukup umuq saja – hal lain banyak yg tak cukup :)
Selamat Hari Malaysia kpd Helen dan semua pembaca blog ni.
Selamat Haghi Malaysia
(Ekspresi Sajak Dialek Kedah)
Gamaknya kalau lahiaq di Afrika
lagu mana ka?
mengkalau di Syria pulak
tak sangga pelughu dok kena elak
sedaq-sedaq besaq di Palestin
jenuh deghita lahiaq batin.
Mujuq lahiaq di bumi Malaysia
tak gaduh dok qonot merata
elak peluru hidup dan peluru getah
caghi keluarga hilang pi mana tah
syukur kepada Allah,
lahiaq di bumi bertuah.
Heghan ada juga oghang peghak
dok di bandaq bukan ulu-banat pulak
tak puaih lagi nikmat merdeka
suka hati nak tukaq bendera
mengaji tinggi sampai luaq negara
tak padan dengan perangai cempegha.
Tengok Harimau Muda pelekoh Myanmar
kalau tak menyumbang jangan mencemar
oghang kata depa peghak depa petikai
sijil tebai sejengkai tapi takdak akai
adoi, cakap sikit kata kita beleteaq
tak padan nyanyuk tapi mulut hebeaq.
15-09-2013
Batu Kawan, Pulau Pinang.
© Ibnu Din Assingkiri
Thank you for the Hari Malaysia pantun. Long time no see.
aku tengah pulun study, takut ter flop kalu dok maen tenet, hehe.:)
nasib org india di penang dari kacamata tukang cerita yang tinggal di penang, panjang ceritanya: http://catatanseni.blogspot.com/2012/12/seorang-tua-di-negeri-kaya-raya.html
:) Good luck for your exams.
saya cadangkan kerajaan bagi kat orang India yang miskin atau kurang kemampuan masuk MRSM, Yayasan Sains, atau sekolah berasrama beberapa peratus bagi pada orang India miskin. Untuk remaja yang tercicir bagi diorang masuk giat mara belajar skil bertukang, automatif dan juga menjahit. lepas gradaute tekun bantu monitor diorang bukak bisnes dan kasi modal supaya diorang tak payah mintak kerja kat orang. Tapi orang India kena positif thinking lah anak diorang akan dikelilingi orang melayu yang Islam nya kuat dan penuh unsur unsur islam. Tapi tak ada niat nak Islamkan anak anak diorang masuk institusi melayu.
Untuk budak India bermasalah ada buat satu programe anak angkat poles atau tentera supaya diorang ni tak masuk lagi ke kancah maksiat dan gansterism. Saya perasan orang India ni kalau kita bagi peluang untuk mereka mereka akan bagus dalam kerja merka. pelajaran dan juga berniaga asal jangan ada anasir dikeliling mereka yang merosakkan. Orang India memang bagus dalam semangat kesetiaan. Saya rasa kalau kerajaan ada kuota untuk polis, tentera, bagilah peluang lebih banyak orang India jadi polis atau tentera sebab orang remaja India mesti ada idola yang mereka banggakan untuk keluar dari gejala gangterism.
Indians brought in by the Brits as estate labourers dulu2 diberi segala kemudahan hidup (asas) dalam estate. Housing n utilities, education for their kids, medical care etc. Kaum Bumiputra cerok pendalaman pun tak pernah dapat rasa kemudahan macam tu.
When Mat Sallehs left, local corporations took over and continued with similar standard practices. Indians have gotten all the special BANTUAN however many chose to abandon estate life for darker- green-twinkling pastures. Lepas tu Mat Salleh mereka kutuk tak kesudahan sampai nak saman Queen. Isshh tak sedar diri betul.
Bagi le puak miskin kaum Bumiputra rasa hidup terbela pulak, ini pun nak sapu juga ke?
Helen ni pun satu.. Hari Malaysia kenapa single out the Indians? Macam le mereka ni saja kaum miskin dalam Negara ini. As at 2010 pop of Indians merely 1.7% and I am sure % of poor Bumiputras in Malaysia are higher than 1.7%… BERAPA % agak Helen?
re: “Indians brought in by the Brits as estate labourers dulu2 diberi segala kemudahan hidup (asas) dalam estate. Housing n utilities, education for their kids, medical care etc.”
Since you say that the facilities are “asas” (basic), then obviously the estate families were not given TDDI-standard houses. Many were housed in only 1-2 rooms quarters — I have the raw data from fieldwork on this (not my personal research, I’m talking about info compiled in reports).
As for education for the kids, that’s true. They had the Tamil primary schools that everybody is criticising today — no standard lah, Tamil language will take them nowhere lah, abolish vernacular education lah. This Tamil education will not be able to uplift the estate kids to the next level and many stop at just Std 6. (No MRSM for them and elite boarding schools for them).
re: “Kaum Bumiputra cerok pendalaman pun tak pernah dapat rasa kemudahan macam tu.”
Alright if you want to compare Orang Asli with Indians. What has the Umno-led government done for the orang asal di ceruk pedalaman? As I recall, there were many complaints made by the Orang Asli. They even went to protest in Putrajaya demanding their rights.
re: “When Mat Sallehs left, local corporations took over and continued with similar standard practices.”
The local corporations later converted the rubber estates to oil palm because rubber trees have a limited life span as a commercial crop and the old ones were no longer productive.
Then some of the Indian rubber tappers were retrenched and replaced with Indonesians because while rubber can be tapped by women, harvesting oil palm is heavier work and more able to be managed by men.
Let’s take plantation company Sime Darby as one example. As we know they build a lot of house estates and now have a lucrative business in selling Sime Darby houses. Their estates were dismantled, their workers retrenched and evicted and the land used to build houses bought by the middle and upper middle classes.
re: “Indians have gotten all the special BANTUAN however many chose to abandon estate life for darker-green-twinkling pastures.”
You call the in situ quarters, Tamil schools, facility of medical officers (not necessarily clinic) and Hindu temples “special BANTUAN”?
Quarters are provided for other professions too, e.g. Putrajaya clerical staff.
Tamil schools would be like kindergarten/creches also provided by employers today, and the Tamil schools were provided because the location of the estates were isolated. Education for employees’ children is one of the areas looked into by employers, e.g. for our diplomats, their children are supported by the employer (Wisma Putra, the Malaysian Gomen) to study in international schools because the foreign embassies are also “isolated” (no Sekolah Kebangsaan nearby).
The Hindu temples would be equivalent to the onsite surau provided by big employers; the nice big surau spanking new Utusan building being one example.
These facilities (quarters, estate school, temple, basic/primary health care) being equal to that provided by other employers, what is so “special” about the benefits of being an estate worker? If they were so well off, they would not be in the dire straits that they are in today.
Below is the payslip of an Indian estate worker. She earned RM203.95. The accompanying story can be read @ http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/117828. Her meagre salary is not an isolated incident. I also have data on the dismal income of estate workers but this would mostly refer to the 1970s-1980s period because thereafter the plantation industry shrunk.
re: The Indians leaving for “darker-green-twinkling pastures”
Where would this be and what work or other jobs are you saying that they were offeered?
re: “Lepas tu Mat Salleh mereka kutuk tak kesudahan sampai nak saman Queen. Isshh tak sedar diri betul.”
At least they’re not blaming Malay employers and want to saman the YDP Agong pula. Capitalist capital in Malaya before and around the time of Malaya’s independence was in the hands of the British. Nanti I cari and give you KS Jomo’s resaerch figures.
re: “Bagi le puak miskin kaum Bumiputra rasa hidup terbela pulak, ini pun nak sapu juga ke?”
Really? Can you show me where the Indians have sapu? I can name you the Bumiputera programmes,
starting from Felda, Felcra, Risda, Mara to
EQUINAS: Ekuiti Nasional Berhad, PROSPER: Projek Usahawan Bumiputera Dalam Bidang Peruncitan, PUNB: Perbadanan Usahawan Nasional Berhad, PNB: Permodalan Nasional Berhad, Yayasan Amanah Hartanah Bumiputera, INSKEN: Institut Keusahawanan Negara, and so many others.
re: “Helen ni pun satu.. Hari Malaysia kenapa single out the Indians?”
If not now, when? They’re almost invisible most of the other times. Just look at the J-Star‘s Merdeka to Hari Malaysia coverage, for example. Mana ada give any space to poor Indians? They carry Cafe Latte chat issues.
re: “Macam le mereka ni saja kaum miskin dalam Negara ini. As at 2010 pop of Indians merely 1.7% and I am sure % of poor Bumiputras in Malaysia are higher than 1.7%… BERAPA % agak Helen?”
True!! Only 1.7% of the population but the police chief and Bukit Aman say that they make up the majority of gangsters at 71%.
Entahla Helen, my late parents and I once lived in Plantations for over 30yrs. Sihat2 dan happy2 belaka pekerja sana welfare all been taken care of by Estate Mgmt. We have fulltime HA’s and once a month a visiting Doctor. Serious cases, they will be sent immediately to the local hospitals.
Few of them bright kids break thru their tradition to become Professionals (studies sponsored by the coy for those qualified). Some even managed to set up their own private practices. Even mandors retire with hefty savings in EPF. (Wife MIC President pun product of estate).
Bukan Indians saja susah – lain bangsa pun hidup sama susah kerja dalam ladang getah, there are also Chinese and Malay women tappers. Heavy work in Oil Palm Plntns are handled by men. Womenfolk are assigned with lighter tasks; pick loose fruits, jaga nurseries, weedings, membaja or meracun etc.
This lady’s gross pay @ RM660 tu masa belum berkuat kuasa minimum wage. Don’t know what type of job she is assigned to berapa hari kerja or which Plantation she is in. Pasai apa gaji kena potong sampai lebih RM400? Tahun 2009 ramai juga Bumiputra miskin gaji RM660 minus all the mentioned facilities di factories, bandar or kampung.
As I know the bigger Corpn have standard guidelines even for workers housing. Check guideline details with ISP. Plantations yg tak ikut garis panduan tu you kena faham2 saja le Ladang kepunyaan siapa!
I thought Amanah Ikhtiar is also being extended to the Indian community? Apa sudah jadi?
Many years back Kpg sya menyambut Merdeka Eve bersama seorang Motivator kalau tak silap saya dari PM Dept, a Dr.(Phd) nama dia sya tak ingat. He is also an author of a book. He started his speech;
Orang Malaysia bila mengherdik atau menghina kejahilan seseorang biasanya kita dengar “KAU NI JAKUN LA.. PI TINGGAL DALAM HUTAN!” he then continued. Para hadirin yang dihormati sekelian, disini dengan banganya tanpa rasa malu saya ingin perkenalkan diri saya, saya adalah seorang ANAK JATI JAKUN.
He should be in his late 60’s today, kalau GOMEN tak prihatin dgn kemajuan Org Asli macam mana dia berjaya sampai ke tahap Phd? Helen cari dan cuba personally interview dia. btw my uncle works dlm Jabatan Orang Asli kat Gombak.
re: “kalau GOMEN tak prihatin dgn kemajuan Org Asli macam mana dia berjaya sampai ke tahap Phd”
Baguslah tu. Gomen boleh juga tolong masyarakat India juga. Tak perlu sampai PhD. Kita sasarkan tahap ijazah Sarjana dulu.
Re. Baguslah tu. Gomen boleh juga tolong masyarakat India juga. Tak perlu sampai PhD. Kita sasarkan tahap ijazah Sarjana dulu
The Indian should revisit Samy Vellu “One House, One Professional” policy. Apart from that, they should learn to build a strong network within their community and the successful one should contribute back and never forget his/her root.
They won’t cause some new politicians wannabees had known only to rest the blame on UMNO shoulder, so that they terlepas!
Rina,
To recap what you’ve said:
re: “We have fulltime HA’s and once a month a visiting Doctor”
Your description sounds accurate.
re: “Few of them bright kids break thru their tradition to become Professionals”
You say a “few” succeed. But what about the many and the not-so-bright?
re: “Even mandors retire with hefty savings in EPF. (Wife MIC President pun product of estate).”
Mandors are the supervisors and paid more. The ordinary workers would not collect as much EPF savings.
re: “Bukan Indians saja susah – lain bangsa pun hidup sama susah kerja dalam ladang getah, there are also Chinese and Malay women tappers.”
The Johor DAP chairman Dr Boo Cheng Hau grew up in a rubber smallholding and used to tap rubber at dawn as a child before going to school.
re: “Heavy work in Oil Palm Plntns are handled by men. Womenfolk are assigned with lighter tasks; pick loose fruits, jaga nurseries, weedings, membaja or meracun etc.”
Okay but it doesn’t take away from the fact that some Indian women were retrenched.
re: “Pasai apa gaji kena potong sampai lebih RM400?”
The salary deduction aside, her original gross income of RM660 is still very little.
re: “Tahun 2009 ramai juga Bumiputra miskin gaji RM660 minus all the mentioned facilities di factories, bandar or kampung.”
2009 is a mere four years and not all that long ago. Wrt Bumiputera miskin gaji, well, the PM has announced his multi-billion ringgit pemerkasaan ekonomi plan. But the poor Indians have been left out.
re: “Plantations yg tak ikut garis panduan tu you kena faham2 saja le Ladang kepunyaan siapa!”
Am aware.
re: “I thought Amanah Ikhtiar is also being extended to the Indian community?”
It is co-established by the Yayasan Pembangunan Ekonomi Islam Malaysia (YaPEIM) and its operations has something to do with the zakat concept.
Malaysian Indians are like the knee-grows of ‘Murica
Hi Helen,
A friend told me this joke and I wish to share it here. I apologise if any readers are offended:
If an issue is a Malay problem, it is a national problem.
If an issue is a Chinese problem, it is a racial problem.
If an issue is an Indian problem, then it is no problem at all.
Understandable.
The Indians are a small minority in Malaysia, whereas the Malays form more than 60% of the population and the original inhabitants. Hell, maybe some other group surpass the Indian in numbers already.
As for the Chinese, well, despite whatever they say about Malaysian First and all that, they as a whole act put their race and original country first. So it’s not strange that Lim Guan Eng runs down the country while trying to attract foreign investors in Hong Kong, even if it seems counterproductive. He’s probably thinking there’s no problem since he’s speaking to Chinese and he thinks they would help him since he’s Chinese as well.
Anon,
Re: Hell, maybe some other group surpass the Indian in numbers already.
I suppose the no. of foreign workers whether illegal or otherwise are already higher than the no. of Malaysian Indians.
Re: As for the Chinese, well, despite whatever they say about Malaysian First and all that, they as a whole act put their race and original country first.
I suppose you refer to DAP. You may be right when you say Chinese put their race first. But what about ‘original country’? Mind to explain?
benarkah tiada agenda yang sama untuk kaum India?
saya tidak fikir kerajaan BN yang dikatakan korup itu langsung tidak mempunyai agenda ekonomi untuk kaum india.
saya percaya agenda itu ada. tetapi adakah agenda berkenaan sampai kepada akar umbi?
1. jika tiada agenda untuk kaum India, siapakah yang bertanggungjawab untuk mempastikan ianya ada jika bukan wakil kaum India yang duduk sebagai jemaah menteri?
2. jika agenda berkenaan ada (saya pasti ada), siapakah yang sepatutnya menyebarkan kepada kaum India marhaen yang dikatakan ketinggalan? bukankah itu tugas ‘menteri’ dan jentera politiknya yang mewakili mereka?
memang mudah menyalahkan BN khususnya UMNO. tetapi, kaum India juga lupa bahawa sebanyak manapun agenda bumiputra yang diwar-war dan ‘dilancar’kan, adakah benar orang Melayu dan Bumi umumnya mendapat manfaat? atau ‘jerung-jerung Melayu’ juga yang dapat makan besar?
pelancaran agenda baru oleh PM Najib sebenarnya sesuatu yang sudah lama yang diberi penjenamaan baru. orang Melayu tetap perlu berhempas pulas untuk mendapatkan ‘secebis’ janji dalam agenda berkenaan yang belum pasti mudah untuk dicapai.
saya percaya kaum India belum terlambat untuk berjaya. apa yang penting ialah mempastikan mereka bersatu dalam satu entiti tetapi elakkan bersama mereka yang sering menimbulkan kacau-bilau sehingga reputasi orang India sering terpalit kerananya.
fikir-fikirkanlah.
Alwie,
Memang dasar BN untuk tolong semua orang. Tak mengira bangsa. Tetapi memandangkan orang melayu/Bumiputera merangkumi lebih 60% penduduk, mana mana kerajaan akn tumpukan pada kaum ini.
Ini perkara semulajadi. Tambahan pula pimpinan BN adalah UMNO (melayu juga). Jadi mestilah mereka tunpukan pada Melayu juga sebelum pada bangsa lain.
Walaupun Najib baru semalam umum ransangan ekonomi Melayu, sebenarnya orang melayu pun belum tentu merasainya. Sebab mereka juga sedar pelaksanaan adalah perkara berbeza. Selagi Najib tak buang budaya melebihkan orang cina, selagi itu Melayu tak puas hati.
Dan Melayu ada sebab untuk marah. Kalau tengok orang di PEMANDU, rata ratanya bukan Melayu yang tidak dianggap membela Melayu.
Kalau segala Yang di-Pertua majlis perbandaran (Melayu) masih buat budaya pelik utamakan rumah mewah, maka akhirnya kawasan pekat melayu bertukar jadi minoriti Melayu dalam 10 tahun saja.
Tengok Pandan. Pada 2008, pengundi Melayu adalah 49%. Pada 2013, pengundi melayu 44% saja.
‘Walaupun Najib baru semalam umum ransangan ekonomi Melayu, sebenarnya orang melayu pun belum tentu merasainya. Sebab mereka juga sedar pelaksanaan adalah perkara berbeza. Selagi Najib tak buang budaya melebihkan orang cina, selagi itu Melayu tak puas hati.’
Setuju dengan pandangan ini.
Najib buat pengumuman tu pun sebab nak selamatkan diri dia dalam PAU.
Elok la, Najib dah umum, boleh bagi Muhyidin ambil alih. Dia Malay First and proud of it!
Helen,
Kerajaan Najib sekarang mempunyai Hindraf Moorthy sebagai Tim Menteri di Jabatan PM, Subramaniam dan Palanivel dari MIC.
Memandang isu kemiskinan kaum India ni sangat diambil berat oleh kebanyakan masyarakat Malaysia, maka pada pandangan saya eloklah Blog Helen Ang memberi syor kepada Najib supaya merangkakan satu pelan ekonomi bernilai RM1.2b sebagai permulaan bagi membantu memajukan masyarakat India dalam bidang ekonomi dan pelajaran.
Kerajaan Najib boleh melantik Hindraf Moorthy sebagai Pengerusi J/kuasa Kerja Perancangan Ekonomi Masyarakat India Malaysia memandangkan beliau lebih merasai nadi kesengsaraan kebanyakan masyarakt India.
Anggota-anggota AJK boleh terdiri dari wakil MIC dan Pegawai-Pegawai Kanan Kerajaan dari kaum India yang ramai di antara mereka adalah juga Pegawai Perancang Ekonomi kerajaan. Sumbangan mereka akan dapat membantu kerajaan menyediakan satu pelan bantuan yang jitu yang dapat sedikit sebanyak menyelesaikan masaalah kaum India.
re: “Kerajaan Najib sekarang mempunyai Hindraf Moorthy sebagai Tim Menteri di Jabatan PM”
A number of Umno Ministers want Tim Menteri Hindraf Moorthy sacked, wor.
re: “Subramaniam dan Palanivel dari MIC”
Yup, both are full ministers. They have are higher in the pecking order than Moorthy.
re: “eloklah Blog Helen Ang memberi syor kepada Najib supaya merangkakan satu pelan ekonomi …”
Najib’s people not paying attention to bloggers. He prefers to give his ear to the fancy, Omputeh con-sultants and his flashy fleet of drivers (Pemandu).
A blogger like Helen Ang got no national platform. The PKR communications director Fahmi Fadzil, the DAP strategist Ong Kian Ming and the Loyar Burok Shahredzan Johan are given columns in The J-Star.
I’m a persona non grata with the MCA-owned paper and if ever my name is mentioned by The J-Star, I’m sure they will splash the most unflattering photo of me like the treatment given to Mukhriz and Shen Yee Aun.
Najib’s people should give writers like me a platform but like I said, Umno prefers to reward its enemies.
Then why haven’t you offered to write for theStar? Or don’t they want you?
Fight from within.
The J-Star is a pro-DAP paper. My writing would be incompatible.
They are also a Christian evangelista media. The Chinese media are Sinchew, Nanyang, Kwong Wah, Zhong Guo Bao, etc
Doesn’t matter. Once you are in, you have a chance. First build confidence in your editors, then slowly pick stories that you think will advance your cause.
You can use weasel words and literary sleight of hand to paint your own narrative. Editors can’t review everything, especially if it is close to print time.
Learn to also play internal politics in order to get your way. Hit the gym. Lose weight. Use feminine wiles to get things you want.
Rome wasn’t built in a day. DAP knows this!
And if all else fails, install hidden microphones and cameras in the offices of the top editors. I am sure some Dumno types would help you in that regard. Some might even go overboard and supply C4 for good measure.
Lie and cheat if you have to. I know. I have done such things many times, and I have succeeded. Of course, I won’t divulge all my secrets.
Watch House of Cards with Kevin Spacey. Politics is all about deception. Journalists are often the ones being deceived. It’s their damn ethics that mislead them!
Are you the commenter previously calling himself ‘Overseas Bumi’?
‘Lie and cheat if you have to. I know. I have done such things many times, and I have succeeded. Of course, I won’t divulge all my secrets.’
One my friend had mention about tipu sikit pasal his CV to get the Managerial position that he was in now. But of course after dapat, he worked hard and proved that they deserved it. He’s been with that company close to 10 years now.
Funny that Kaakaa brags about this, when he and his kakis would talk about integrity, no less for UMNO rejection!
KaaKaa = Puma = Cougar ….ring a bell?
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I think this maybe KJ. KaaKaa is a soccer player. Cougar and Puma are his sons nickname at home. He is really into soccer. He mentioned that he went to ivy league (but subtly said “I may not go to Oxford in other posting) plus his sport cars etc (of which KJ is also into sports cars. Back then during his FIL’s tenure, whenever there is new sport car model arriving in town, he is like the premier customer andwill be on top of the list). He is an oversea bumi by definition as he spent most of his young life abroad.
Trying to play csi here….LOL
dulu aku suka blog kau tapi sekarang aku dah mula menyampah dengan blog kau helen sejak kau jadi pembela gengster ni.
apa tujuan helen dok bela gengster india ni ? kalau masa melayu kena tembak kau tak bela pula ?
dok tunjuk gambar2 PENJENAYAH kena tembak apahal ? aku sebut penjenayah bukan gengster india sebab penjenayah boleh jadi dari pelbagai bangsa dan mangsanya boleh jadi daripada pelbagai bangsa juga.
cukup-cukuplah tu.
Pak Kaduk,
Bukannya saya nak membela penjenayah atau gengster.
Beberapa minggu lepas saya sendiri pun telah menjadi mangsa jenayah apabila seorang penyamun cuba meragut beg saya. Ancaman ini sudah menjadi kelaziman bagi wanita yang duduk/bekerja di bandar.
Sekiranya kaum yang hanya 1.7% penduduk negara boleh menyumbangkan 71% ‘sumber tenaga’ industri gengster, maka semestinya ada sesuatu yang tidak kena dengan sistem kita dan cara kita melayan kaum India.
Cara menangani masalah gengster bukannya dengan menembak mati. Kaedah terbaik ialah mengubat penyakit masyarakat, yakni kita perlu menyediakan peluang-peluang pendidikan dan pekerjaan supaya mereka yang terdedah kepada anasir-anasir yang kurang sihat ini akan mempunyai pilihan punca pendapatan yang halal.
Negara-negara yang paling makmur mempunyai kadar jenayah yang paling rendah. Sila rujuk http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/Crime_trends_in_detail
Helen,
Re: Sekiranya kaum yang hanya 1.7% penduduk negara boleh menyumbangkan 71% ‘sumber tenaga’ industri gengster, maka semestinya ada sesuatu yang tidak kena dengan sistem kita dan cara kita melayan kaum India.
I can’t agree more with your statement above. The Malays and Sabah Sarawak Bumiputeras are protected by virtue of their special privileges. The Chinese are economically independent and do not rely on government assistance. The Malays can claim to possess ‘Ketuanan Politik Melayu’ and the Chinese have ‘Ketuanan Ekonomi Cina’ in Malaysia. But what ‘Ketuanan’ the Indians have in Malaysia? They have very weak bargaining power in politics and economics.
Sorry, according to the 2010 census Indians are 7.3% of the population. Rina may have gotten “7.1%” in some other year or estimate and made a typo by transposing the figure to become 1.7%.
‘Negara-negara yang paling makmur mempunyai kadar jenayah yang paling rendah. Sila rujuk http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/Crime_trends_in_detail‘
Negara-negara tu, tak kena colonised, in fact, some had colonised and emblazoned the wealth of their colonies for so long!
Apart from starting at the lowest economic point in history, ie India when British left., Malaysia is far from being homogenous!
Wonder why Japan had ultra strict immigration policies…
re: “Negara-negara tu, tak kena colonised”
Do you have any evidence that Malaya (say 1948-57) had a higher crime rate than Malaysia today due to the country being colonized during that era?
I say it is because of poverty, national poverty, country being colonized and wealth being squandered from the country had resulted to where we are now?
And I stressed, the fact that we are, starting all over, with being non homogenous pulak tu, is never comparable to the EUs. We should be compare to the nation that perhaps had similar beginnings and make up.
But then again, which country? Ada ke?
re: “wealth being squandered from the country”
Agree that colonization had caused an outflow of wealth from Malaya but as to the “wealth being squandered”, don’t you think that the BN gomen has been responsible for plenty of that too?
I recall that the Ipoh municipal council paid RM40,000 for each parking meter and then there are the screwdrivers that cost a few hundreds of ringgit each.
Do you think that Pakatan is not doing it too?
I think Pakatan if not already worse, will most certainly be worse at the point when they obtain more power and with it, control more of the country’s financial resources.
And the worst of it all is that they’re so sneaky. BN kalah kepada Pakatan in respect of sneakiness.
“I recall that the Ipoh municipal council paid RM40,000 for each parking meter…”
Hahaha, Helen, you really keep a close tab of issues happening all over the country.
Yes, the Ipoh municipal council parking meter fiasco was one of the big stupid wastage in recent years. Guess what happened to the metering system now after burning such a large hole in the pocket (and also public vandalism of the meter)? The council went to implement the coupon system (those scratch-and-place-on-car-dashboard-coupons), stupid isn’t it?
re: “Hahaha, Helen, you really keep a close tab of issues happening all over the country.”
It’s a reporter thing.
Might have come from the early training as newsroom cadets when we were sent out for assignments and then when we returned, we had to have an almost perfect recall and type out (that era when the computer screen was green letters and the printer was dot matrix) what we had observed at the event.
It was also an era when we were told by our seniors that the editors would throw the typewriter at them (well, almost).
Well Helen I say it again, BN are no angels!
Helen,
The main reason for the increased in gangsterism among the indian youth is Astro channel 202. Check it out.
Hehehehehe…..
And lots of Tamil dan Malayalam movies had the hero bunuh diri or cuba bunuh diri for failing in love, life etc
Lawan polis jangan cakap lah, itu dah memang hero dalam cerita Kollywood 101.
Mungkin dasar langit terbuka banyak memberi masalah kepada kita bila, Cina banyak nak jadi Hong Kie atau Taiwanese.
India pula nak jadi macam hero Kollywood.
laissez faire seratus peratus inilah jadinya!
Statistics don’t lie but the people who interpret the numbers do.
The former indian estate workers are no different than the working poor in other Western countries. They are all political distractions used by the powers that be.
Helen and most chinese use the indians whenever they want to make a point about having a ‘level playing field’.
People should learn to help themselves.
If the indians were smarter they would breed more instead of offering themselves to rich indian political gangsters.
Look at the palestinians . At least they know that to win over ‘democracy’ in Israel they had to just have more babies than the Jews.
Muslim in Europe pun had more babies. Singapore also the same. Thus the mainland influx of Cinas.
Same with Malaysia.
Berkat namanya!
Helen, among the Indian Malaysians the race that is having social and economic problems is mainly the Tamils. Although they are significantly greater in numbers compared to other Indian Malaysians such as the Punjabis, they are a VERY DIVIDED LOT AND NOT VERY HELPFUL IN HELPING THEIR OWN KIND.
The rich Tamils look down on the poor Tamils instead of helping them. Unlike the Tamils, the Punjabis are very close-knits and they are generally very ambitious and hardworking and would help each other.
Punjabis seldom get into problems unlike the Tamils who like to cause problems. Tamils should learn from the Punjabis how to be successful. Every Punjabis wants their children to be lawyers,engineers or doctors. You don’t hear Punjabis becomes gangsters.
re: “the Punjabis are very close-knits”
The Punjabis are very, VERY close-knit! :)
Punjabis make a nice cardigan.
Nice Blog. First of All, Indians must unite and learn to help each other. Education is the most important aspect that has to be given top priority.
Memang masalah keciciran pelajar India menjadi salah satu sebab gejala gangster berleluasa, sebagaimana gejala dadah menjadi sebab kepada jenayah dikalangan pemuda Melayu.
Saya bekas pelajar di MRSM dan bersama saya dulu ada pelajar bukan Melayu termasuk pelajar India. Seperti yang umum tahu jika kaum India bertegas nak hantar anak hanya ke sekolah Tamil, memang sukar bagi mereka untuk layak ke MRSM atau sekolah asrama penuh lain.
Tengok saja di Sekolah Menengah Bukit Bandara Bangsar — di sini pun pelajar yang ponteng dan minum-minum di Taman Permainan dan tak ke Sekolah terdiri dari kaum India. Saya pernah bertanya mereka kenapa — jawabnya mereka dari Sekolah Tamil, tak boleh ikuti apa cikgu ajar di Sekolah Menengah Bangsar.
Pelajar Sekolah Cina pun ramai tercicir begini tapi mereka ada talian hayat lain, boleh berniaga. Paling tidak boleh jual CD.
Jadi siapa yang kita nak salahkan? Kerajaan dan Orang Melayu lagi?
Dear Sayang Malaysia,
Thanks for your input and point taken.
I have no locus standi on Tamil schools. Its viability something the community has to sort out for themselves.
However, all my family, relatives and Chinese friends’ kids are in SRJK(C). As it stands today, no Chinese will send his kid to SK. It was reported that even the sole (one & only) Chinese pupil out of 1,375 in SK Seri Pristana has been pulled out of that school by her parents.
But what you say about the transition to secondary school and attrition is true.
Helen surely they can kiss the MRSM good bye. Anak Melayu Bumiputra kalau tak UPSR 5A pun belum tentu dapat masuk tau.
My niece had 5A for her percubaan. Kalau results sebenar she got less, Nauzubillah minta simpang jauh2, she won’t even get to see the borang.
Borang will be given out, on the results day itself. Strictly for 5As only!
Then we have history repeating itself. You’re saying that poor Indian students would qualify for MRSM which is the “meritocracy” argument.
If we had used this same argument 20-30 years ago, then the poor Malay students from Kelantan, Terengganu, Kedah etc would not have qualified for merit places if competition had been open to the urban Chinese.
So you agree to have affirmative action programme for Indians?
‘So you agree to have affirmative action programme for Indians?’
I agree wholeheartedly.
But as you say, all the Indians, you kenal had taken all their anak from SKs into SJKC.
So, since they themselves chose to do so, I put it to them the can kiss the MRSM goodbye then.
Now the fact that only 5As students only will get the borang kemasukan MRSM says a lot about the extremely competitive placement in MRSM.
BTW, in case you missed out Helen, the non Bumis had masuk MRSM and Mara College ever since I was in College. That was 20 years ago!
I’m not form MRSM, I studied in SMTTARP, Air Itam, I had friends from SBP and MRSM and was made known about this. In Mara College, I saw it with my own eyes of Chinese and some Indians, who had being accepted. The received the same privileged as all of us the Bumis.
The Melayu and to an extent, UMNO don’t brag about this. Perhaps they should!
re: “But as you say, all the Indians, you kenal had taken all their anak from SKs into SJKC.”
I did not say anything about “all the Indians I kenal”.
(i) I blogged that some of the Indian parents had pulled their kids out from Seri Pristana as reported in the news.
(ii) I remarked separately that the children of my family members, my relatives and my friends are all in Chinese school.
Re: “BTW, in case you missed out Helen, the non Bumis had masuk MRSM and Mara College ever since I was in College. That was 20 years ago!”
I’m aware that some Chinese have been let into MRSM but only a very small number. One news report in Feb 2004 reported an intake of 65 Chinese for Form One and 255 for Form Four into the MRSMs. This is against the total enrolment in the MRSM of 34,000 students (year 2011 figure).
Setting aside the discrepancy between the two years cited 2004/2011 (as it would take me too much time to dig out the 200 actual enrolment figure) but just taking the numbers in ratio, the Chinese intake into MRSM is less than one percent.
Re: “They received the same privileged as all of us the Bumis.”
Only the one percent Chinese lah, just like 10 percent of the enrolment in SRJK(C) are non-Chinese bit at least 10 percent is 10x one percent.
Ya lah Helen, tapi already bagi maa, How much want to bagi some more leh?
Mara was started to help the Malays tapi they also kongsi wor…
http://www.mara.gov.my/c/document_library/get_file?uuid=096427b8-aeda-4a02-8e11-1dce08813f20
re: “How much want to bagi some more leh?”
Going by the percentages of 34,000 MRSM enrolment and only 320 seats being given to Chinese students
(again, I apologize for using two different years to compare but even with some plus-minus adjustment for the year discrepancy, 320/34,000 is not more than one percent or then again, perhaps UiTM intake figures are more easily available that we can use as a yardstick),
but in any case, a parallel or analogy would be like if I had RM1,000 and I give you sedekah RM1
and then I say to you, “What lah, you already took my RM1, how much want to bagi some more leh?”
typo: time to dig out the [year] “2004” actual enrolment figure
Helen with all due respect, how much can we get from a Chinese pocket again?
I’ve found the enrolment figure for Mara in year 2004.
A total of 21,650 Mara students took the International Baccalaureate (IB).
That year, the total Mara students were 45,303 altogether (at various levels and in various courses, e.g. German technical programme, skills training, etc). In 2004 also, the intake of new students was 20,575.
A total of 1,718 Mara students were sent overseas and the Mara education expenses were RM594.3 million.
So now we can compare apple with apple and year 2004 Chinese enrolment in MRSM against the entire Mara enrolment of the same year.
Thus the ratio is 330 Chinese against intake of new students 20,575 = 1.6 percent.
Islam1st,
You said that there were Chinese (and Indians) admitted into Mara and who received the same privileges as you Bumis.
So in your spirit of kongsi and if I’m a Chinese chauvinist and I’m in charge of government programmes, and if I have RM1,000, I only need to share with you RM16.
Therefore you, as a lucky recipient of RM16 from our budget of the RM1,000 that I’m in charge of allocating, can be said to have received from the Chinese-controlled gomen “the same privileges” that we supremacist Chinese get.
‘So in your spirit of kongsi and if I’m a Chinese chauvinist and I’m in charge of government programmes, and if I have RM1,000, I only need to share with you RM16.
Therefore you, as a lucky recipient of RM16 from our budget of the RM1,000 that I’m in charge of allocating, can be said to have received from the Chinese-controlled gomen “the same privileges” that we supremacist Chinese get.’
Surely you could say that.
But mind you this is not the so called government programmes like PTPTN loans. This is supposedly Mara aligned affirmative actions to the Bumis, and Bumis only. Somehow along the way, somebody had decided that the non-Bumis also should get a taste of it.
Maybe in the spirit of kongsi.
My Mara scholarship was worth RM210, 000.00 back then. I assumed those non-Bumis are getting the same. I may be wrong though…
But getting RM210,000.00, for something that is not meant for you, so to speak, is a big deal for me.
So the head count ratios, from the Bumis to the non-Bumis, in a Bumis affirmative action programmes, the gap, would expectedly be great.
I would be surprised if we are talking about the PTPTN loans though.
re: “So the head count ratios, from the Bumis to the non-Bumis, in a Bumis affirmative action programmes, the gap, would expectedly be great.”
Okay, I accept your statement as fact.
The Mara programme was not intended to be open to non-Malays. So the 1.6 percent Chinese who got places in year 2004 were “lucky”. Under our gomen policies, the percentage of non-Malay participation in Mara is intended to be zero.
That’s why all those UiTM students protested when S’got MB Khalid Ibrahim during his first term proposed opening Mara’s doors a crack to let in the other races.
‘That’s why all those UiTM students protested when S’got MB Khalid Ibrahim during his first term proposed opening Mara’s doors a crack to let in the other races.’
Few years ago my friend in BNM, in charge of Bank Pembangunan (then), seems puzzled by the brouhaha over the allocated RM200mil for the Bumis by the non Bumis since he knows the fact that a lot jutas were offered to the non Bumis in other banks.
The jealousy must stop. This only gives the impression to the Bumis that the non Bumis, most of the time its the Chinese, sadly, don’t want to kongsi!
re: “the Chinese, sadly, don’t want to kongsi!”
You claimed that the 320 MRSM seats offered to Chinese students out of the total intake of 20,575 Mara new students was an example of kongsi while Lim Guan Eng’s version of kongsi is the Penang state exco offer of RM40,000 x 10 Umno Penang Aduns (total RM400,000).
If these are examples of kongsi, then don’t you think that we might really want to lead separate lives after all?
Bumis affirmative actions programmes are supposed to be comparable to LGE new 40K kongsi to BN Aduns?
I don’t think that is fair, pun intended, to begin with!
The comparison is between the 1.6 percent out the 100 percent of the Malay Mara places given to Chinese … parallel comparison with the RM400,000 (RM40k x 10) provided to the Umno Aduns out of the total Penang state budget.
It is a fair comparison.
harap kerajaan bukak mata dan bantulah golongan orang India yang terlibat gansterism ini. Saya dengar kat USA bekas gangster atau penjenayah jadi spy polis/FBI untuk bantu benteras jenayah. Mungkin bekas tahanan ini patut jadi mata dan telinga kerajaan untuk hapuskan saki baki ganster di Malaysia. Macam programe pemutihan lah.
Its time we start one consolidated school….for all. That number one solution.
There is not much we can do for adult poor Malays, Indians or Chinese except welfare of sort. When you are poor it is not just about cash. Its a hunting dire strait that keep showing up. Some communities are more capable to cope because of safety nets of sort to bounce them again and again.
It the government duty to provide what the market refuse to cough.
This handling over Indian(Tamil) problem to MIC got to stop. MIC itself need help.
The dire condition of the Tamil is not new. My heartfelt desire to help.
For political realignment strategic gain (even though Indian Tamil are a small percentage of the population)… Indian Tamils are Malays save bets to win hearts and mind.
One consolidated school for us Malays and Tamils (Chinese can join) is the beginning.
May we be rewarded.
Meor USA,
Indians previously live in estates. Life revolves around estate life. It was a bare minimum life but it accorded them sense of belonging, security as estate managements met Indians expectation then.
But as goes the saying “time and tide changes”. so does estate life. Estates gave way to industrial bustling township. And Indians have been caught in between.
It was not intentional. I recalled emotions during the sad sage :Kg Berembang was demolished. Yes. Kg Brembang right in the heart of Kuala Lumpur(not far from Gleneagles Hospital).
They were resisting changes. But i told one of the elders( my sister’s father in law), that bulldozer will still come in with or wthout his consent. He and 3 of his sons were offered low cost flats now known as Berembang indah. Finally he took it.
What the government of the day must do is to ensure that those misplaced are not shortchanged. Government is not that “powerless”. This is where the part “mercy” is very relevant.
Those objecting the destruction of their houses often have no other alternatives. Show them the alternatives.
Sometimes I drive along areas in Hulu Kelang. I see a lot of houses being built in very strategic places. Unforrtunately, the cost of the houses are beyond the reacvh of the majority. The predictable becomes a reality. in 1 decade, Hulu kelang will turn from a Malay majority to Malay minority. All because powers to be are so happy to allow expensive houses bulit to cater to those who have more than one house.
Cant they ensure that houses around RM100000 to RM200k built. You know. the houses for middle class.
Why not make a tour to Jln 4m Ampang Jaya. Long time ago, when PKNS still has “soul” and “iman’, it built 5 storey appartments sold at RM64k. It enables low and middle income group to stay in town.
So, actually it is not that difficult. Only “iman” is required. And everything will fall into places.
Shamsul,
In this matter, I’m in total agreement with you. Especially about the mercy and compassion that needs to be shown.
re: “All because powers to be are so happy to allow expensive houses bulit to cater to those who have more than one house.”
Don’t forget the property speculators whose playing the market causes the price of houses to be further jacked up.
See this report, http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2013/09/15/chang-%E2%80%98deity%E2%80%99-penang-cm-could-do-no-wrong/
Gerakan acting president Chang Ko Youn in his keynote address at their annual delegates’ conference Penang Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng “had emerged as the most popular politician among developers” ever since the DAP took power in Penang in the 2008 general election.
The Gerakan acting presiden said “Lim’s policies only served the developers as well as the rich and connected while neglecting the poor”.
Chang said that Lim was popular with the capitalist tycoons “due to his flexibility in adjusting policies to meet the needs and demands of developers”.
Helen,
i often ask is it that difficult to control pricing of the houses. Or more importantly building houses for people who do not have houses.
TODAY I read in the newspaper about a housing project right smack in Putrajaya. And again the pricing means that the buyers are those already have numerous houses. Again, those really who do not have houses are sidelined. Instead strategic places like Putrajaya are offered to those whose already have houses.
We used to have a good model. look at Desa Pandan. more than 20 blocks of low cost apartment built 30 years ago to cater to those without houses. That is a good development.
CAnt bn at least try to listen to this
1) Give priority to those without houses. Low interest rate to first time buyer . Higher interest rate to 2nd buyer.
2) Build houses that rakyat can afford. Meaning within ranges of RM100000 to RM250000. Not the houses sold at RM400000 that simply out of reach to vast majority.
3) If houses sold within 10 years after being issued CF, then it must not be sold higher than original price. This will kill speculation.
4) For God’s sake, ban foreigners from buying houses here.
5) Show that speculation is disallowed. Meaning for 2nd houses, higher down payment is needed.
6) State development agencies like PKNS, PKNK can play a part. Why not build houses in government lands.
Greed will destroy all of us. remember subprime issue? The basic underlying cause is greed. All when the bubble burst, it drags along innocent people down .
COOL DOWN THE PROPERTY MARKET. How?
By understanding the market. By understanding that those need help to buy a house for the first time must be given priority.
Get your priority right, Najib. Or else find another job. Harsh as it may sound, you must remember that your post is not divine appointment like that off Prophet Muhammad SAW.
re: “Greed will destroy all of us.”
It already has in Penang. And developers are eager to sell their houses to foreigners.
SA,
Very good recommendation indeed. But our government are too friendly towards the capitalist banks, developers and rich speculators. Between the federal and state government, which one has the greater power to regulate the property market?
Somebody else here probably have posted this in the past (so, I’m not putting a link here); a short film about rising property prices in Malaysia called M-C-M: Utopia Milik Siapa? by Boon Kia Meng.
In the short film, a property surveyor named Ernest Cheong (he has a column in NST in the past by the way) was interviewed about the current phenomenon of Malaysian average Joes paying through to nose for expensive homes, which in turn enriching the already very rich people. Here’s what he said (mark 22:52/35:46):-
“Again, this is a massive transfer of wealth from the working class Malaysians to the elites.”
“Who are the people who own the banks? The elites! Some of them are already in Forbes richest people list.”
“I’m happy for them making the money, but i’m talking the fact that the working class Malaysians are making them rich and something must be done.”
Dear Leader knows that he only needs people’s support once in 5 years and all he has to do is to recycle the Ubah message and the Chinese zombies will sleep walk to cast their votes, even if they are at their death beds.
But the developers’ support is needed 24-7-365 since money is needed to grease the wheels, run the party, build the HQ, pay their “volunteers” and buy off dissidents.
BTW did I tell you that the company which is developing KBP is the one building DAP Penang’s HQ?
Helen,
“mercy” and “compassion” are intangible. But good leaders know the value of it.
I was once a Bank officer. And one day I chanced upon the CEO, We had quite a long chat. Unexpectedly of course. He was there waiting for his official car. And I was there standing waiting for my housemate to fetch me.
He told me that the decision he took to sack one employee that day. The employee had abuse bank’s money.
In that case, usually he followed the Audit’s recommendation. But on cases of negligence, after all the internal audit and recommendation to sack an employee, he will call the employee .
He will listen the employee himself. He will give benefit of doubt. He will show “belas kasihan sesama manusia’. He will remember that one misjugdement should not destroy one’s contribution to the bank.
That is a hallmark of a good person.
People are not mere numbers. Even with squatters, there are ways to handle things. Sometimes they can be unreasonable. But surely being merciful will reduce the incidence like what you said about Bukit raja.
As for Guan Eng, he behaves ( as i said repeatedly) as if he is the emperor of China. As if the universe revolves around him.
He could not be bothered. that is a real problem. Unless he is in Forbidden City.
‘As for Guan Eng, he behaves ( as i said repeatedly) as if he is the emperor of China.’ in Malaysia!
tak payah pergi jauh. PKNS yang sepatutnya buat rumah rakyat sekarang lebih fokus pada bottom line. dia kena jawab berapa banyak keuntungan hujung tahun ni. orang melayu yang sokong PKR di selangor cuba bukak mata apa PKNS dah buat untuk orang yang tak mampu beli rumah atas rm 200K..tanah banyak milik PKNS dah ada master plan nak buat rumah rm 480k keatas. orang melayu makin hari makin tertekan. bayangkan penduduk selangor majoriti melayu dah tak mampu beli rumah di negeri selangor. kerja di jalan duta gaji rm 3000. rumah di bukit beruntung, hulu selangor. toll mahal naik motor.
Memang dari segi ini, kerajaan-kerajaan kapitalis Pakatan amat teruk.
Sebab tulah Pakatan menolak permohonan Parti Sosialis Malaysia (PSM) yang membela nasib rakyat marhaen untuk menyertai gagasan tidur sebantal mereka.
Berkenaan orang besar PKR itu asalnya Umno, pada hakikat mereka tu adalah REJECT Umno.
Umno dah buang Anwar dan geng, tapi DAP 3.0 pungut dan julang Melayu-Melayu nepostisme (Parti Ayah-Ibu-Anak) reject yang Umno pun dah tak nak tu sebagai harapan politik baru Malaysia. Pergggihh lah.
The plight of the marginalized Malaysian Indians is all too real. My church runs a home program to care for unerprivelleged children/orphans. Of the 50 plus boys and girls, (boys and girls are segregated into different homes), 100% of the inmates are Indians. These children are not technically oprhans but are staying in the program because of
– poverty. Parents cannot afford to feed them
– broken homes where the single parent has to work outstation
– parents in prison
– parents drug addict
– abuse
The program provides food, shelter, school and tuition to the children until they are 18. After that, they are on their own. The program hope that is enough to give these children a fighting chance out in society in later life. Due to limited resources and fund (when I was active some years back, the Government allocated RM2000 a year for our program.), the church cannot keep track of these young men/girls after they leave the program, except those who came back to visit once in awhile. It is from these visiting former inmates, we learned some do not make it good out there. The saddest thing was one young man actually lost his life due to gang-related incident.
Somebody up the thread sarcastically said the Chinese should help the Indians since they (the CHinese) are so well off. Maybe they did. In their own capacity. THough I no longer am an active participant in the program, from what I know, the Government generous RM2000 a year allocation is simply say, inadequate. Our funding comes from individual donations and SMEs. Yes, Cinapek SMEs and vegetable vendor from the market who provide free veggies and the good hearted lorry men who help send the lot over.
The program I cited hopefully could make a difference to the 50 children currently in the program, but I am not under any illusion this is any big help when viewed on the national level.
Only programs targeting the plight of the underprivelleged Indians done on the national level initiated by the Government in the form of some kind of policy could make any real difference. Results are not going to be immediate, it’s going to take a few years.
For starters, let’s start with the fullfilment of Najib’s pre-election pact with Waytha Moorthy.
To those nay sayers who think the Government has no moral obligation towards the minority Indians, or the poor of all races, then they should campaign to abolish crutch-policies of ALL kind. Fine with me. But to argue crutch policies are fine if given to some while it is not fine when given to others who are truly in need, is simply disingenuous.
Just an after thought.. to bring up the plight of the poor Indians, one has to be sincere. Half sincerity void all effort and destroy the credibility of the claim. Stay focus and resist the urge to take a swipe at others that has nothing to do with the plight of the poor Indians, but just too good of a opportunity to pass up.
re: “Only programs targeting the plight of the underprivelleged Indians done on the national level initiated by the Government in the form of some kind of policy could make any real difference. Results are not going to be immediate, it’s going to take a few years.”
Very true.
As if we don’t know the fact that you guys are turning them into Christians.
Meeting one latin guy the other day. He said he was working for an NGO to teach the Orang Asli english.
I said, the Orang Asli (some) had refused to stay in proper housing, case in point Banda Perdana, what would learning English be any good to them?
He said it helps them built their characters.
Fair enough.
But I know too, that they need to find the Puchong printed BM bibles some readers. And Orang Asli, pitting them the so called Orang Asal, now, against the Melayus, is always a good bet!
Time will tell.
Malaysia is a young country almost 39% is below18 years old.
The makan and shelter had come with a price. LKS had benefited from the Jesuits too and look at whom he turned out to be!
re: “LKS had benefited from the Jesuits too and look at whom he turned out to be!”
He’s turned out to be like Bishop Paul Tan.
And don’t forget the mission school background of his son LGE either.
‘And don’t forget the mission school background of his son LGE either.’
It is used to be the Indians and Chinese in Semenanjung and Bumputras in Sabah and Sarawak.
Now the trends is to get as many as Orang Asli as well as the Malays kalau boleh.
re: “the Malays kalau boleh”
Maka dengan ini JAIS dan MAIS wajar pantau rapi si evangelis bertudung dan bersongkok yang selalu masuk keluar surau dan masjid.
Haiya Sein arready ckp about this…nanti banyak tangkap…dia orang bising…tarak tangkap..banyak pula langgar undang2
Isn’t it understandable then for the Indian community to feel beleaguered? On both sides there are attempts to convert them to Islam and to Christianity. Can’t these people just offer aid and assistance and at the same time not attach the strings?
Ya perhaps they should. Last few days I bumped into these people. They say they are not concern of converting people though.
What do you think?
https://www.facebook.com/IDTBerhad
Some brother Wong had initiated this, I was told.
At least they can leave one of them anytime unlike the other.
Orang sesat boleh kembali ke pangkal jalan.
Orang yang sudah dijalan yang benar, buat apa nak sesatkan diri mereka pulak, ye dak, sleepy?
msleepyhead = kepalangantuk = tangaci Kut?
HH,
Good write up.
As a sceptic of organised religion nay religion of any kind, I do concede that in many instances the faithful of all Religions have steeped up based on spiritual imperatives. I won’t quibble about those imperatives, at least not now.
Helen,
Sheesh, I was out of town and a lot has happened since. I reread our last exchange and I apologize unreservedly for the manner in which I chose to articulate my points. Hopefully no hard feelings, since this is your blog and the only one I participate on.
Wrt to disenfranchised Indians and affirmative action programs. The last time I had a back and forth with I hate N’sync, we were on opposite sides of the race vs needs based programs. IHNC had the right of it at least if one were to make a moral argument for such programs.
There are some (of the right wing /conservative kind) who argue that there can be no moral argument for such programs but this is not the forum for such debates, although I think it is best to acknowledge that such arguments can and should be made.
The problems the Indian community faces are intimately linked with the criminality of the Indian political elite in this country. Temple communities have been compromised, political parties infected and a general conflation of Indian sub groups, makes the problem of identifying and crusading for a specific Tamil/Hindu community problematic.
The disenfranchised Indian community, that is too say, those who identify as South Indian/Tamil/Hindu, will eventually be phased out or marginalised into oblivion by the new political realities of the Sino/Malay conflict.
One of the problems of this issue is that it easy to fall into stereotypes sanctioned by official narratives but ignore the history of the Indian community as a whole in favour of the “coolie” class narrative.
PSM has remained true to the class dialectic, making impassioned arguments that the disenfranchised of all communities suffers from the effects of unbridled capitalism made worse by the kleptocratic urges of the Establishment but all mainstream political parties are the whores of capitalism.
The difference between who eventually gets power, is the difference in efficacy, which of course means bad news to the disenfranchised in any community.
I agree with you on the ‘class struggle’ dialectic. You should remind us/the discussion board more often on this point. (However, I see a blatant racial dimension to the affair as well.)
Some chipmore cookies could not resisted not to comment this time around…what an excuse BTW
Conrad
Thank you for your kind words. Welcome back and I betcha ‘someone’ is just as excited waiting to call you out. Lol
So WHY THE CONFUSION again?
Before you ride the moral high horse and sing the virtues of your church, let me ask you if you seriously think the church is doing all these charity work out of kindness of heart or due to the plight of poor Indians..?
They are just taking advantage of these poor people to add them to the ranks of the Christian faithfuls. I just hope and pray that no abuse of children happens in Malaysia as it was the case in the West.
Calvinsankaran
Woah, where did this come from? Your anger towards the church is uncalled for.
First and foremost, from the tone of your reply, I have to say you have to lose that defensiveness. I am merely sharing my experience so there is no need to assume I am gloating you for not doing enough. Just get it over with it has nothing to do with you.
Quote: “Before you ride the moral high horse and sing the virtues of your church, let me ask you if you seriously think the church is doing all these charity work out of kindness of heart or due to the plight of poor Indians..? ”
If not out of kindness, what is it?
You referring to the satisfaction derived from the act of kindness? You know, the syiok feeling when we did something nice for others, the ‘we-made a difference’ kinda feel when we helped? Sure. Of course I felt it. The people of the church felt it too, I bet. So?
Quote: “They are just taking advantage of these poor people to add them to the ranks of the Christian faithfuls.”
Just listen to what you are saying then you will know you are simply contradicting yourself.
“Taking advantage of the poor..” My, the irony of that statement.
FYI, the poor and downtrodden are neglected and looked down by our materialistic society because they pose no advantage to them. Others from other charity organization/society have their own way of helping the poor, but I only share from my own experience.
The person who should get down from their moral highground is you. Self imposed religious ignorance, inevitably leads to self-righteous intolerance
Christianity is unapologetically evangelistic. It is a commanded in the bible. If you have problem with evangelism, then my friend, you have problem with Christianity, the faith, period.
Typo error
“It is commanded in the bible..”
Perhaps you have a more liberal attitude but most decent people absolutely detest those Christian leaders who abuse young children under their care sexually.
As for the charitable nature of Christianity, well, we will believe it when they stop mixing religion with charity work.
Every where they go, these Christian missionaries take advantage of poor and uneducated to convert them. That Christian bishops and priests abusin young children and women sexually also well documented – just ask Mr Google.
And if you ask Mr.Google, he would also tell you of the sexual abuse carried out by Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist religious figures in power. Only an indecent person would signal out the Christian faith as an aberration or question the motives of charity esp since all Religions propagate such endeavours and here in Malaysia, Islam has been used as a bait and switch esp with the Hindu community.
wrt Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist, none had been summoned by the UN committee on Rights of the Child
‘Today, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP) and the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) filed an alternate report to the United Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child documenting the ongoing worldwide sex abuse crisis in the Catholic Church. The UN committee has summoned the Vatican to report on its record of ensuring children are protected from sexual violence and safeguarding children’s well-being and dignity, the first time the Holy See will have been called to account for its actions on these issues before an international body with authority. The first meeting will take place in Geneva in June.’
http://www.snapnetwork.org/us_vatican_summoned_before_un_committee_on_rights_of_the_child
Pope pun mengaku daa
‘Pope Benedict XVI has summoned his cardinals to Rome on November 19 to discuss the Catholic Church’s response to cases of sexual abuse by clergymen, the Vatican said in a statement on Monday. ‘
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/8117421/Pope-summons-cardinals-to-Vatican-to-discuss-abuse.html
Pope pun kena already
‘A Public Summons to Pope Benedict was delivered today at the residence of the Vatican Ambassador to England in south London. Human rights defender, the former United Church of Canada minister noted for taking Christ’s teachings to heart, Rev. Kevin Annette delivered the summons after leading a 20,000 people protest this weekend against the Pope for alleged complicity in crimes against humanity, child abuse and trafficking.
The Summons was issued by the newly-formed International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State, that has asked Pope Benedict to appear before its opening hearing on April 4, 2011 in London. Rev. Annett delivered the Summons to the Papal Nuncio office on behalf of the Tribunal.
The Summons asks the Pope to respond to charges that he is complicit in crimes against humanity, child abuse and trafficking, and that he has failed to respond to inquiries into the deaths of more than 50,000 children in church-run Indian residential schools in Canada.’
http://www.examiner.com/article/pope-served-summons-crimes-against-humanity-child-abuse-trafficking
Uh-huh,
First the Vatican was not summoned by the UN (although they should be) but rather a report was filed against them.
The same kind reports have been filed (by various interested parties and the UN itself) against, the Taliban wrt regards to child prostitution, child soldiering and various abuses against women in Afghanistan, human rights abuses mainly invoilving women in Pakistan and the whole judicial system in Saudi Arabia and numerous other (sic) Islamic countries.
Secondly the so called summons you quoted does not have anything to with the Untied Nations. The ITCCS is essentially a one man blog by Canadian Kevin Annett a noted Canadian fraud.
In other words this so called Tribunal means nothing, just like most of your posts here.
Annet and his coterie of “survivors” claimed to act on behalf of the Native Peoples of Canada wrt to their “genocide” before they asked him to stop and also asked law enforcement to investigate him on his so called fund raising activities that seemed to enrich him.
While I despise the Vatican and think that the whole Church should be charged with everything from anti Semitism, to child abuse to complicity in genocide, it takes an ignorant Islamic hack like you to screw up the case against the Holy See.
I have no idea how you could make such a basic misrepresentation or in your case lie, without thinking [that if not me] someone else would, you know, google this shit up.
I guess you thought since I would not respond to you, I would allow you to run riot. Don’t worry my affirmative action program just for you still stands for the most part, but once in a while when your lies and distortions get too much I will burst your bubble.
‘I guess you thought since I would not respond to you, I would allow you to run riot. Don’t worry my affirmative action program just for you still stands for the most part, but once in a while when your lies and distortions get too much I will burst your bubble.’
Well GOOD FOR YOU! Pad yourself on the back for me, will ya?
‘While I despise the Vatican and think that the whole Church should be charged with everything from anti Semitism, to child abuse to complicity in genocide…’
The world does not revolves around you alone mi ami. It is not always about you. They don’t care what you think about the Vatican. Whether you despise the Vatican or not, for whatever reasons, they don’t give a hoot about it. WAKE UP!
Don’t you know that already?!
Old and not wise is bliss, no?
But I guess, its good to have some peminat to welcome you and hi five you, once in a while, yes?
Islam1st
Quote: “The Summons asks the Pope to respond to charges that he is complicit in crimes against humanity, child abuse and trafficking,”
I am sure glad Conrad has sort out the ‘ technicalities.’
Look, I don’t want to sound like an apologist for the Catholic church for the wrongs they had done. In the interest of justice, if the Catholic church is guilty of such abuse, they should he held accountable. Period.
I am loyal to my church but loyalty doesn’t mean blind obedience or mindless adherence to issues that contradict our conscience.
Budhist and Muslim religious figures also involved in sexual abuse ? That’s news to me. Especially in the scale and systemic abuse by the Christian Church.
Don’t bring in the Talebans into the debate, they don’t represent Muslims or Islam at all. That’s like comparing Christianity with KKK or Hindusim with Shiv Sena or Democracy with DAP.
Care to share such abuses ? Perhaps we all can learn a thing or two from the resident Mr-Know-It All.
Calvinsankaran
It is mind boggling why a smart guy ( I give you the benefit of a doubt since you professed to dabble in ‘international standard’ analysis) would back yourself into a corner with such statement. You do know that people in general are weak and fallible so why on earth would you subscribe to such skewed view only Christian leaders are capable of misdeeds while misdeeds by others are in your words, ‘news to you’?
Quote: “Don’t bring in the Talebans into the debate, they don’t represent Muslims or Islam at all. ”
Huh, but it is OK to bring in those who betrayed Christianity into the debate, and hold them representative of the teachings of Christ?
Quote: “Care to share such abuses ? ”
Courtesy of Mr. Google.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/midlands-woman-tells-how-sexually-1753440
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2277437/Saudi-celebrity-cleric-raped-murdered-daughter-claimed-injured-doubted-virgin.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2176747/Buddhist-monk-repeatedly-raped-teen-years-impregnated-her.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2369731/Luang-Pu-Nenkham-wanted-Jet-set-monk-run-wanted-rape-charges–hes-believed-hiding-Southern-California-retreat.html
Everything is news to you, Calvin, since you don’t have much experience beyond the echo chambers you visit. I have no idea what you mean by “Christian Church”?
Who says, the Talibans don’t represent Muslims or Islam at all? That’s like saying that the Wahhabis don’t represent Muslims or Islam . Or the Shias or Sufis don’t represent Muslims or Islam. Or like PAS does not represent Muslims or Islam.
So in your little world its fine to link the Vatican with Christianity but not the Taliban with Islam. Do you even know how ridiculous you sound ?
As for Buddhist scandals, in the American context, there’s the Eido Shimano and the Zen Studies Society frex and for an Asian perspective of corruption, your friend Mr. Google, will point you to the growing corruption within Buddhist sects worldwide, with Thailand being plagued by numerous scandals such as this one:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/10130437/Buddhist-monks-arrested-over-Thai-child-sex-abuse-claims.html
Of course luckily for Hinduism or Buddhism, such scandals pale in comparison to the religious excesses of Islam and Christianity, although when you factor in cultural practices of esp Hindus, it does measure up.
Of course all this should not be news to anyone, esp for this site’s resident “International standard” Statistician.
Here comes the BrokeBack Mountain Tag team…right on cue, back to back……LOL.
There is a whole lot of difference between individual acts of abuse and widespread, systemic actions of religious authorities and institutions. I am sure, even people like you, with intellectual limitations and attitudinal issues, can dig it.
I hardly need to convince you that Talebans are in no way regarded as Islamic authorities or belong to the mainstream Islam. Only a fool would equate the position of Vatican in Christianity and Taleban in Islam.
PAS represents Islam ? You gotta be joking! Are you serious here or smoking something nasty lately? PAS is a political party and they do not represent Islam, they are merely using Islam to fish for votes.
It is funny, you agree with every of my points in your reply yet seems to think you refuted my points! Thanks for agreeing with me.
PS : This site’s resident “International standard” statistician ? Come one lah, if you want to come out with witty put downs, at least be original-lah, don’t rip people off…LOL.
Calvinsankaran
Your constant taunt and insinuation to homosexuality is telling. Why the preoccupation? Having bigotry added to your already plagiarism plagued repertoire is hardly the distinguished path one would aspire. International standard or not.
Brokeback Mountain Tag Team ? And that’s original ? You ask me a question and then come back with an insult. Calvin, I will never grow tired of exposing you for the charlatan that you are. Never.
And someone like you whose limitations are on display every time you post, should realize that my examples of the Taliban, the extremist in Pakistan and Sauid Arabia are example of Systemic discriminations carried out by Islamic imperatives.
The Buddhist examples I mentioned esp the American context was an examples of “systemic” abuse, the Asian example I mentioned was a pattern of abuse that has happened without any Systemic rectification – merely because of the organization of such religious orders in Asia.
Who says the Taliban are not the mainstream of Islamic Religion ? They share many commonalties with the System in place in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and enamoured by extremist who want Sharia in moderate countries like Indonesia and Malaysia.
Furthermore their diaspora includes not only operatives fighting in Syria, Palestine and other various countries in the world, they still have an influence in Afghanistan so much so that there are in negotiations with the Karzai Regime.
The only fool equating the Vatican with the Taliban is you. I only claimed that they are an example of Islamic excess.
By your logic UMNO does not represent Islam but is only using it to fish for votes. I agree with this but when a political organisation claims to represent Islam and carries out policies intended to bring about such, it is pointless saying that they do not represent Islam, much like saying that the DAP is not the face of Evangelism here in Malaysia. Do you understand this or do you need the MIC to tell you this ?
I would ask you to quote the parts you think I agree with but, as you have shown numerous times, you are arguing above your weight.
Lastly, it was not a put down. You claimed the very thing.
Well said Calvin, I did thought for once we could teach these people a thing or two there…but then again it seems to these people Quran must be written by Taliban and PAS!!!
Anyway I must say though my meaningless hack did seems to receive a lot of TLC from the Brokeback couple!
And what a couple they are. Back to back, huhu!
LOL
LOL
Islam1st
Yo, you sure you want to just join the fray on a whim? It does no good to your Quran quoting, faith defending religious persona on other threads you know?
Slander my friend, is prohibited in Islam.
‘Slander my friend, is prohibited in Islam.’
Thus the rejection of Allah the 3 Serangkai Tuhan.
So WHY THE CONFUSION again?
HH, why want to slander God?
Typo error
(last line) …but just too good of an opportunity to pass up.
The issue of Indian poor is quite complicated and as an Indian and someone who has been involved in NGO work since my uni days, I tend to take a sceptical view.
The problem with the community is historical. When the Indians were imported, there were 2 main socio economic groups. One, the labourers from poor districts in Tamil Nadu and of low caste background. Then there were educated Indians from Tamil Nadu, Kerala and Ceylon to work as their supervisors, Health Officers, teachers and admin staff. So even at the beginning the community was fractured economically and socially.
I think at the moment, there are around 20% of the community are poor that really needs help while the other 80% is generally middle class / rich.
When the Indians from estates were displaced, there was no support mechanism in place to help them. This is the root cause of many issues today. Of course you can blame MIC and BN for this. To be frank I think MIC being a political party lacked vision and resources to do this. Being a part of the ruling govt they have to share the blame.
To help these poor people, meritocracy not going to work. There has to be an affirmative action plan to bring about change. Najib’s gets it. In fact he’s the only PM is history who understands the Indian issue, sympathetic and more importantly made it as one of his priorities.
There are Ubah Indians (Rich, urban and Christian) who is possessed by the Jom Ubah Syndrome without realising that under PR’s meritocracy, the Indians will be the biggest losers.
As for Indians are involved in crime because of poverty – I think it is pure unadulterated bullshit. I have seen on the ground – the reasons are complicated and sometimes poverty plays a part. But if that’s true then why the Malay/Iban/Kadazan poor are not into gangs and drugs?
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re: “As for Indians are involved in crime because of poverty – I think it is pure unadulterated bullshit. I have seen on the ground – the reasons are complicated and sometimes poverty plays a part. But if that’s true then why the Malay/Iban/Kadazan poor are not into gangs and drugs?”
Who says the Malay poor are not into drugs?
As for the Iban and Kadazan poor, I’m presuming they’re not living in urban slums as squatters.
My Iban kawan duduk apartment kat Sunway la Helen!
Is your Iban kawan living below poverty level? Is his place in Sunway an urban slum or a squatter area?
Hahahahaha, I believe his gaji is just a bit above the National average.
Maybe lebih!
‘As for Indians are involved in crime because of poverty – I think it is pure unadulterated bullshit. I have seen on the ground – the reasons are complicated and sometimes poverty plays a part.’
Agree very much with calvinsankaran on this.
This movie [YouTube] tries to analyze the complicated issues. UK context though.
Calvin earlier claimed: “But if that’s true [i.e. Indians are involved in crime because of poverty] then why the Malay/Iban/Kadazan poor are not into gangs and drugs?”
Since your Iban friend is earning lebih than the national average, then he’s not poor. Furthermore, he’s living somewhere nice, I presume, in Sunway and not in a squatter area.
i think hometown such as village n kampung would give many a sense of comfort n belonging, some sort of home we could fall back should life getting too tough in city. methink likewise the vanish estate, the village n kampung remain though.
ps/ i think calvin have a point, terrorism might have much to do with culture and genetic.
Yes. Malays have their kampung and like they themselves like to declare, it is “tanah Melayu”.
Likewise the Ibans have their longhouses in their ancestral lands.
The Indians who were brought here as indentured labour do not have the above.
They are imported as to work in the estates and the plantation and its insular work-centred culture becomes their ‘village’ here b’cos their kampung of origin is back in India.
Here they do not have the social safety net and when their job as rubber tapper is taken away from them, not only do they lose their livelihood, they also lose their home (the estate quarters), their gods (the temple) and all else that is familiar. It is made worse if they’re illiterate or predominantly speak Tamil and don’t have citizenship — factors which account for their dependence on the MIC.
The shock of the misfortune hitting them all at one go when they’re displaced due to the dismantling of the estates becomes a calamity.
orang islam ada satu lagi last alternative zakat department.
ramai ibu bapa islam yang tak boleh pergi JKM, Amanah Ikhtiar atau Tekun akan mintak bantuan pejabat zakat. kita memang ada kategori beberapa jenis zakat untuk keluarga Islam yang tak mampu pergi sekolah, sakit atau tak ada atau hilang pendapatan akan pergi ke sini.
Saya tengok bagus pejabat zakat ini akan bantu dari segi modal supaya orang miskin Islam tak perlu lagi bergantung pada pejabat zakat untuk selama-lamanya. Mereka bagi kereta/teksi, van/lori berniaga dan juga bantuan perniagaan seperti jual nasi lemak,jual kuih atau bertani. mereka akan dibantu sampai boleh berdikari dan keluar dari kemiskinan.
Kalau orang church boleh bagi church berjuta-juta dan buat bangunan besar di Bukit Jalil, ada tak diorang dari City Harvest yang kaya raya ni gunakan duit tabung untuk bantu orang India yang kurang mampu di seluruh Malaysia.
Untuk pengetahuan cik Helen setiap tahun ramai orang India gelandangan masuk islam hanya untuk dapatkan bantuan zakat orang Islam. Saya tak nafikan keikhlasan mereka tetapi amat menyedihkan jika orang India masuk islam beramai-ramai kerana mahukan bantuan dari pejabat zakat.
Mazidul ada highlight pasal ni. Kat blog dia ada pasal satu kes ni yang dah berkali-kali masuk Islam, mak dan anak2, sebab seronok dapat duit sedekah selepas majlis. Harap2 Allah SWT ubah hati mereka kepada yang baik dan haq. Ameen
satu lagi saya nak tanya MIC ada mintak kerajaan fund baik pulih Temple satu Malaysia.Maaf jika saya menyinggung perasaan orang India.Di Malaysia dengan population orang india yang tak seramai orang melayu patutkah orang India habiskan duit untuk buat Temple yang banyak disetiap pelusuk Malysia sehingga saya tengok bangunan temple sangat besar dan indah indah belaka.Saya dapat tahu orang india Malaysia tidak ada kepakaran buat temple dan mereka ini di import dari India.Dari tukang buat,arkitek,pemuzik semuanya diimport dari India dan dibayar gaji dari tabung temple atau bantuan kerajaan.secara metematik kenape orang India Malaysia tidak boleh digunakan kepakaran mereka buat temple ini dan gunakan orang India tempatan untuk jadi kontraktor.Malah sami atau pemuzik mereka juga tidak bolehkah orang india tempatan lakukan?setiap tahun temple ini mengeluarkan banyak duit untuk menten pekerja pekerja ini.Jika orang India rasa membuat temple lebih penting dari menggunakan duit yang kerajaan hulurkan untuk bantu kaum India yang tercicir ini mungkin ramai orang India gelandangan dapat diubah nasib mereka jika duit itu digunakan untuk modal berniaga atau modal untuk tuisyen kanak kanak di sekolah tamil seluruh Malaysia.Dengan cara ini masa depan orang India akan lebih terjamin jika semua kanak -kanak tamil lulus cemerlang dalam UPSR dan dapat masuk ke peringkat lebih tinggi lagi
Ayi,
You’re right about the import-from-India expertise. I also dunno why. I’ll ask.
Tuan Outsyed knows why. It’s called ‘No Money, No Religion’.
I think it is more to a piety and spiritual reason. It is not just about skill but also tradition and lineage of the ‘artisan”.
Helen,
Cikgu nak tambah sikit,
Kenapa nak salahkan polisi kerajaan berkait DEB yg cuba membantu Melayu? DEB juga telah berjaya lahirkan jutawan India spt Ananda Krishnan (AK flight), Tony Fernandes, ramai India speakng English dapat Datoship… many2. Sepanjang DEB dilaksanakan, MIC tidur ke? Cikgu lihat ramai kawan2 cikgu berbangsa India mendapat projek kerajaan semasa DEB dilaksanakan. Jangan sebut businessman Cina, berbillion masyarakat Cina enjoyed.
Pemimpin MIC kaya raya kenapa tak jaga masyarakat India? Dimana harta Ananda Krishnan yang berbilion itu dilaburkan? Cuba semak disclosure Bank Negara dan Suruhanjaya Sekuriti. Cuba kaji sebuah institusi pengajian tinggi MIC yang korup dan tiada integriti.
Kalau tanya cikgu, DEB juga gagal menyelamatkan orang Melayu. Yang untung dalam pelaksanaan DEB adalah pemimpin UMNO, kroni dan ahli keluarga serta businessman Cina dan elit India english speaking. Orang Melayu sekadar dapat serbuk dari kekayaan dan dana DEB.
masyarakat India Malaysia kena sedar mereka di Malaysia bukan India. Mereka tidak boleh berterusan duduk dalam kepompong emosi, temberang dan cari salah orang. They need to change first ie. sincere mindset to help poor Indian. If their leader such as MIC, Hindraf etc are corrupted, then who else to take care? Blame UMNO? or blame PAS?
Kalau tanya cikgu, DEB juga gagal menyelamatkan orang Melayu. ‘Yang untung dalam pelaksanaan DEB adalah pemimpin UMNO, kroni dan ahli keluarga serta businessman Cina dan elit India english speaking. Orang Melayu sekadar dapat serbuk dari kekayaan dan dana DEB. ‘
Sangat setuju dengan cikugu. Cerita dalam rumah, hanya orang-orang rumah saja yang tahu.
Yang di luar tahu nak salahkan Melayu saja!
quote, “masyarakat India Malaysia kena sedar mereka di Malaysia bukan India. Mereka tidak boleh berterusan duduk dalam kepompong emosi, temberang dan cari salah orang. They need to change first ie. sincere mindset to help poor Indian.”unquote.
Cikgu – you summed up nicely about the situation of ‘masyarakat India Malaysia’.
It’s a cultural problem, firstly, and the problem lies when everyone is painted in one big brush stroke. Kak Hel pun tetap dilabel cina kiasu no matter what she writes here. Yes, there are poor people in every race/culture. And for the Muslims, the kuffar will be condemned to hell in the end anyways. Same goes the other way with the evangelistas who think they hold the tickets to heaven while the non-believers go the other way.
the chinese too have gangsters, except they always put money first (and if you get shot, nobody really bats an eye lid because, hey that comes with the job) because that is the only sure thing in this country or anywhere else for that matter, even in china there are rich-poor problems. for more china bashing just go to chinasmack.com.
we do not ask or get to decide what race we are born as, if you happen to be born as a malay in malaysia, great, you have all the special positions enshrined in the constitution for you, but even better if you are born as a malay royalty. that’s life for all of us. the ‘ecosystem’ we are brought up in does play a part. it is no accident that the british empire colonised malaya and not the other way round. the chinese could have but didn’t.
re: “Kak Hel pun tetap dilabel cina kiasu no matter what she writes here.”
Yes, particularly by ‘Overseas Bumi’ who also goes by other pseudonymns such as ‘kaakaa’ and ‘Antisinoman’.
And I would appreciate if you don’t truncate my name in future. It is “Helen”, not ‘Hel’.
Re. And I would appreciate if you don’t truncate my name in future. It is “Helen”, not ‘Hel’.
Let me quote my late mom’s favorite phrase when faced this sort of situation “Bebudak ni jam tak tak tahu nak hormatkan orang tua”.
Maaf zahir dan batin. Thought you were into the Malay name truncation like Wawa, Nana, Bob, etc.. [YouTube]
Kalau Kak En, pulak camana? kiut cikit.
Just kidding.
Kaum india sibuk bikin kuil.. pacak sana sini .. diorg sanggup leburkan duit utk kuil bukan utk ekonomi dan education..
http://www.imageno.com/qdveycn4gbftpic.html
Jangan tak tahu, pacak sana sini pun boleh bikin duit, boleh jadi kedai makan etc