Wong Tack made headlines yesterday by saying he’s willing to burn down the Lynas plant.
RockyBru blurbs blogger Sea Demon who brings up the similarity in name between Wong Tack and Loi Tack.
Sea Demon wrote:
“Back in the early 20th Century, we had a menace by the name of Loi Tack (also spelt as Loi Teck). Come the 21st Century, we have Wong Tack. The times may differ but both were and are advocates of criminal force.”
Loi Tack was the sec-gen of the Communist Party of Malaya from 1939 to 1947. He was also said to be an agent sent by the British security services to infiltrate the CPM.
Rocky writes that “Wong Tack may be doing his political masters’ bidding but surely there are limits there”.
We can take Rocky’s reference to “political master” – at a surface reading – to imply Pakatan since Wong Tack has been photographed numerous times with the Pakatan top leaders as well as the Pakatan and pro-Pakatan activists.
Aaah, but …
Comparisons to Ibrahim Ali
A comparison between the Himpunan Hijau chairman and the Perkasa president is inevitable due to both their calls to burn the objects of their protest.
Few care to dispute that Wong Tack’s widely reported threat – “I will personally burn down the rare earth plant!” – is provocative. Therefore, we may say that he is a provocateur.
When it comes to ‘agent provocateurs’ however, both sides are always pointing their finger at the other. Each time there is a violent skirmish at a rally, for example, the demostraters will claim that the troublemakers were planted by Special Branch or undercover plainclothes police.
The same mutual finger-pointing occurs with other provocative past episodes. For instance, the Asal Bukan Umno (ABU) followers do not believe that the pig heads were tossed into mosque compounds by either Christians, Chinese or opposition activists. They will generally allege that Umno is the culprit and that the Malay party did it to provoke public anger and gain Muslim votes.
On the other side of the fence, the pro-establishment blogosphere does not believe that it was Perkasa which recently distributed leaflets urging the burning of Bibles. Some Malay bloggers suggest that the invitations to Jom Bakaq the Allah-Bibles were really printed and distributed by the opposition in the knowledge that Perkasa will receive the blame.
The logic behind this is that sympathy votes will go to the DAP which is playing the Christian card.
Such is the level of mutual distrust in our country today. Each side will automatically accuse the other of causing trouble or of planting troublemakers to do mischief, which will in turn be laid at the opponent’s door.
The breakdown of good faith (bersangka baik) is accelerated by the widespread fitnah that the political operatives and demented supporters of the major political parties actively engage in. You would think that people can’t be dumb enough to believe all the outrageous lies that are being spread everywhere. You would be wrong.
Malaysians can be truly gullible. People blinded by hate lose the capacity to think straight.
Himpunan Hijau is green, meh?
Now let’s check out Wong Tack and his movement from the pictorial below taken mostly from the Himpunan Hijau Facebook album.
It’s only a cursory look. Readers are welcome to contribute your input.
(1) At face value, Wong Tack is in cahoots with PAS deputy president Mat Sabu who is known for his excellent ability to mobilize the party foot soldiers to turn out on the streets.
(2) The Himpunan Hijau advisor is well-known activist Wong Chin Huat who is a Fellow with the Penang Institute. That’s right, Lim Guan Eng’s think-tank — the one reported to the MACC on the complaint of offering an alleged bribe to Tunku Aziz.
To introduce Chin Huat, he’s the Bersih steering committee member always photographed beside Ambiga at their press conferences. The photo below is of the Bersih 3.0 rally. Chin Huat is in the yellow Bersih T-shirt speaking into the megaphone.
Above: Wong Tack with Mat Sabu & Hisham Rais
Below: Wong Tack with Ambiga & Chin Huat
Below: Wong Tack associated with the Chinese Assembly Hall (KLSCAH)
Standing at the rostrum: Wong Tack is speaking at a photo exhibition of the Himpunan Hijau Long March, a foot trek from Kuantan to KL, Dataran Merdeka. The exhibition was hosted by KLSCAH.
Wong Tack has been photographed with the KLSCAH office bearers and this connection given generous coverage in the Chinese media.
The photo below is taken in the KLSCAH auditorium.
Below: Himpunan Hijau PR savvy
Aside from the merchandize of Himpunan Hijau T-shirts and bags, they’re also selling the ‘green’ movement’s calendar.
They’ve even got the Himpunan Hijau car(s).
For a young movement only launched not too long ago, they have managed to garner an outsized amount of publicity.
Some segments of the Chinese population also regard the high profile Himpunan Hijau leaders as heroes and their ‘green’ cause as heroic.
Below: Himpunan Hijau image
Their visuals dominating the public domain and the contents of the Himpunan Hijau social media paint the picture that they are a predominantly Chinese group.
Like DAP, it is Chinese with a sprinkling of Malays and Indians.
In previous postings, here and here, I’ve uploaded numerous photos showing the involvement of DAP leaders in Himpunan Hijau.
A prominent Kuantan doctor who has been the victim of Dapster mobbing for his opposition to the anti-Lynas groups explained, ‘Reason Lynas protesters are mostly Chinese‘.
Below: Associated with pop symbols of anarchy
By now, the Guy Fawkes mask – popularized by the V for Vendetta movie – has acquired international recognition for being worn not only by the Occupy campaigners but also by dissenters of any kind.
Himpunan Hijau used the Vendetta mask in their posters.
Himpunan Hijau was also one of the endorsees of the ‘People’s Uprising Rally’.
Wong Tack’s body language as portrayed in their posters is one of combativeness.
The movement’s logo depicts a clenched fist.
Below: Anti-BN message of ‘regime change’
Aside from several explicit calls to topple BN and change the regime, the Himpunan Hijau banners carried by their supporters during several events over the last year are also in the same vein.
The photo below is a still taken from a video recording of the Himpunan Hijau protest outside the HSBC for the bank’s alleged dealings with the Lynas company.
An alert highlighting a New York Times article about the Himpunan Hijau activities (yes, the NYT coverage is genuine) allows us to read the wording on the banner more clearly. It says: “BN Remove Lynas Or We Remove You!”
Photoshopped to deliberately create a certain impression
Look at the barbed wire ringing the poster. Consider the words “medan tempur”.
Now look at the Long March photoshopped visual more carefully.
The banners with the hanzi lettering (Chinese script/characters) are reminiscent of May 13 archival photos.
Wong Tack is superimposed leading the walk. The man behind him is also superimposed onto the photo.
The background figures are replicated. We’ve seen this done before in the Bernama photoshop fiasco. The national news agency has admitted that the photographs they released were doctored (at least on two occasions).
The photoshopped poster promoting the KL112 Uprising is carried in Haris ‘Encik ABU’ Ibrahim’s blog, among other websites (screenshot bottom of this page).
It is possible that Himpunan Hijau’s publicity blitz has been actually crafted to convey the impression embedded in the photos you see on this page.
It reinforces the idea of the movement’s Chinese-ness.
That is if you consider the possibility that there is more to Himpunan Hijau than meets the eye.
Of it could well be that what you see is what you get, that is, this movement is seemingly a DAP-nurtured creature.
The bad publicity from Wong Tack’s threat to “Burn” Lynas will be a body blow against DAP and not any of the other political parties.
Malays may be led to believe that the Chinese supporters of Himpunan Hijau are contemplating the kind of violent action threatened by Wong Tack.
Will the Dapsters be able to counter this negative perception?
The Dapster lynch mob
It is a case of senjata makan tuan. For so long the Dapsters have bermaharajalela (sorry, the English word eludes me). Update: Bermaharajalela = something like ‘run riot’ but still not exactly accurate translation
They have been the unchallenged King of the Cyber Hill carrying out vicious smear campaigns that serve to erode the level of public trust. And that has steadily destroyed good faith.
Take my explanation above for example. It actually helps to clear the DAP name.
However, all this while – since Kg Buah Pala and Kalimah Allah Round #1 – the Dapsters have tried their darndest to drag my reputation into the mud.
If they have succeeded in destroying my credibility, then all that I’ve said in this posting will find no takers. The reading public will not believe me because the Dapsters have been screaming and shouting endlessly that I’m not a credible writer.
So my little effort now at helping to clear the DAP name will go to waste.
Heck, I do not even have a platform – except for this blog which I’ve built up from scratch – in which to air my writings. Undeniably, the readership of a blog is quite limited.
The determined harassment (carried out by berserk Dapsters) that often greets what I what write makes it impossible for me to publish my articles in portals that are open to online comments. All kinds of filthy outright lies and obscenities are thrown at me. Even in articles which have nothing at all to do with me, sometimes the obsessed supporters will bring up my name.
Starting fires
This case of firestarter wannabe Wong Tack will do a lot of damage to the DAP.
Public perception that the DAP-linked Himpunan Hijau are a latter-day Bintang Tiga – the delicious irony of the Wong Tack-Loi Tack “communist” behaviour connection that has been highlighted – is karma’s way of biting back.
DAP and their supporters are reaping the fruit of the politics of hate, and their standard operating procedure of demonizing the enemy (including smearing their critics’ good name) that the party apparatchiks have been conducting without remorse.
Should I feel sorry for the Dapsters?
What goes around comes around. The Wong Tack fireworks is an early Chinese New Year angpow for the DAP.
Helen Ang 
Wong Tack is liable for any mishap or accidents, or hazardous explosion in or outside Lynas. PDRM must arrest and interrogate him before any incidents take place in Gebeng with all his associates.
One DAP kiasu has the most telling solution for Wong Tack:-
monsterball said…(in RockyBru’s)
Pushed to the wall…ignored numerous pleadings….may have made Wong Tack talk like that. Perhaps he (wong tack) can pour a gallon of kerosene oil to burn himself to death….to make Najib pay attention…and followed by few of his supporters….
So to all concerned DAPsters please come forward to volunteer to “pour kerosene oil on your head”. We unconcerned BNsters will sponsor kerosene oil and help light you up. May you rest in peace.
As for this joker monsterball, why just pick up few of Wong Tack supporters only? Why not you start the ball rolling? How about targetting 1 million Dapsters, we’ll do the counting for you.
ROTFLMAO
I am willing to sponsor about rm30 of petrol!! ron 95 or v power racing?? mana satu ini org mau?? hahaha
Used engine oil will do…..will turn them “black metallic” anyway!
I thought being a seasoned environmental activist, Wong Tack should be used to being disappointed. I mean, looking at his track record, I doubt he could claim much success in his past endeavors with SEPA etc. Maybe this is the last straw on the camel’s back?
I mean, it is all good to have Gandhian aspirations, peaceful protests, long march, but I recalled the Mahatma used fasting and hunger strikes, not arson and destruction of property.
Maybe it is just ter-cakap bodoh, not unlike the gungho stunt of Ibrahim Ali. Some claimed that it is a good bluff, but I cannot see how it isn’t one when a Malay says something similar. Like many Malaysians, we hope Wong Tack won’t carry out his “promise” and neither will we call him a coward or anything if he failed. I mean, bluff or for real, nobody really condones violence (or threats of violence) as a viable solution.
Since facts, logic and reason is obviously out of the question for “experts” like Wong Tack, what can the common person on the street do? Ignore the camel la. Orang yang sudah tidak boleh diajak berunding and berbicara dah sah kena dibiarkan. Kalau dah tahu orang itu dah tak waras, buat apa nak habis air liur dengan yang kurang siuman?
If Wong Tack is PR’s attack dog, as Ibrahim Ali is often insinuated as a bloodhound for UMNO, taukenya DAP ke PKR ke PAS? Kenalah tuannya hold back the dog sebab ramai dah persoalkan kewajaran ugutan Ah Wong – so who let the dogs out?
Inilah Himpunan Hijau, bila dok ramai-ramai berhimpun, otaknya jadi hijau. Bersih itu otak kuning-lah, tapi saya tak sedar pula DAP dah monopoli otak merah. Kan saudara LGE ada mengatakan, pakai merah, kuning atau hijau sebagai tanda sokongan. Saya rasa orang Mali, Benin, Bolivia, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Republic of the Congo, Ghana, Guinea, Lithuania dan Senegal semuanya penyokong tegar DAP, HHijau dan Bersih sebab bendera-benderanya lengkap ketiga-tiga warna.
Kalau diikut contoh Ah Wong, itulah perjuangan Himpunan Hijau, kita buat bising dan protes, buat tuduhan kosong tanpa bukti, buat kecoh selepas tak menang di landasan prosedur rasmi dan penghakiman, dan akhirnya bergraduat sebagai aktivis tulen dengan sabotaj dan ancaman jenayah. Tahniah, sebab ada penyokong Ah Wong yang terharu dengan “pengorbanan” yang sanggup dibuat olehnya demi anak-anak Malaysia. Barangkali itulah juga sebabnya kenapa ramai penyokong dan peminat Osama bin Laden, bukan gitu?
Now, in my mind, is a mental picture of Wong Tack with a box of matches trying to lit up the Lynas plant at Gebeng. It is hillarious. Eco-terrorist, hahahahaha….
Re: “Orang yang sudah tidak boleh diajak berunding and berbicara dah sah kena dibiarkan. Kalau dah tahu orang itu dah tak waras, buat apa nak habis air liur dengan yang kurang siuman?”
Looking at the material at hand, for example Lowyat forummers (rather than the usual suspects of Malaysiakini, Malaysia Today commenters), I’m inclined to think that it is impossible to ‘reach’ these people through Reason.
The only option is “Dibiarkan”.
HH greenies likely belong to the above category. But despite leaving them alone, they still step forward and threaten arson (or other forms of violence). Wong Tack in the same breath threatened street protests, or in other words Tahrir Square.
Of course the group will be linked with DAP. Their public appearances have been with DAP leaders, not Umno leaders.
If Ibrahim Ali says “Burn” and Perkasa has to bear responsibility as right wingers, then now that Wong Tack says the same, Himpunan Hijau will collectively be tarred with the ‘ultra’ brush, correct?
So here they are Malay right wing accused of being outsourced by Umno and Chinese right wing, accused of being outsourced by DAP.
I think it is difficult to give up on DAP-sters as a collective group. Individually perhaps, we can write some off as gone case. However, the point of engagement in dialogues, debates and arguments is to put our points out there. Sometimes we are right, sometimes we are wrong. For example, I really was hoping PR in Selangor would make a difference, a positive difference. In some cases, yes, something positive did come out of it. BN watched PR like a hawk and since they knew all the hanky-panky, they knew what to look out for. PR (in Selangor at least), however, failed to rise beyond the bitter partisan bickering and their MPs and ADUNs are locked in a 24/7 election campaigning mode.
Changes couldn’t come fast enough to my liking, and things they could have done, fully within their powers, did not happen. Did the State legislative and executive were decoupled? Did PR return the power of lawmakers, the ADUNs, by granting them autonomous funding and resources? Why is the State government behaving like the Opposition when it is in fact in possession of the power to deal with arising problems with state agencies and personnel? There are 101 things the State government can do to stimulate local economy, tourism, heritage protection, social development, yet PR chose the stupidest short term things to do, dishing out one-off handouts, mengula-gulakan rakyat and duplicating (instead of strengthening) existing social work initiatives. I am aware of what Tricia Yeoh has written about Selangor and Penang’s development under PR, but lets ask the real questions (i.e., has state revenue ever dropped from y-to-y?) and answers. For the lay person on the street, what do they know about state craft and real progress when they have not experienced either? Even if the garbage collection is resolved, it gets no mark in my book because PR promised a BETTER government. What I see is more of the same, with good ideas few and far in between from their line-up of ADUNs and Parliamentarians. This does not mean there are no good people in PR. Incidentally, I have huge respect for Teng (DAP) – which I can truly call him our Speaker in the Selangor DUN.
When 3 systems (democracy, judiciary and check & balance) are combined together, they form an excellent combination where they can adequately care for a nation and its people requirements for safety, peace and harmony. But then there is no one size fits all approach that can give 100% guarantee on the delivery of safety, peace and harmony. Hence, that is why even the most democratic nation on earth was forced to secretly carried out Plan B {democracy – (check and balance + judiciary)} so that it could readily deal with certain kind of citizen who has the maniacal propensity to a destructive conducts. And here these people are very lucky cos Plan B was laid to rest in museum. .
I wont say much, but to give a challenge to this wong tack. If and when the GE13 is over, within a month of the results , if yo do not burn down LYNAS, please cut off your dick, and I’ll feed it to my cat.
Cakap semua orang bolih bro, buat belum tentu lagi. As it may, many of the oppositions leaders says something but never fullfilled. Example , manisfestos of a party for the general elections are not meant to be kept. Comprende.? So say something which i can believe, like cutting off your dick to inspire us what you said is the truth , or otherwise it’s just cakap tak serupa bikin lah apek.! Just to win votes and offering something not real is definitely not manly.
Don’t say something with double meaning such as you do not wants to be an elected rep. You know yourself you are not an adun material, thats why you cleverly says you just wanna be an ngo. stupidity at its best. I doubt you’ll get even ten percent of the votes. That is ten percent the most, if you’re lucky. likely with the threat that you’ve uttered prison terms will be definitely waiting for you. Now you regret don’t you?.
Ada pepatah melayu cakap lah apek, sudah cakap tak bolih tarik balik . You are now an instigator of violence, with intentions to burn down public properties.! You deserve to be jailed. Any violence created is definitely not justified to end the means. So let the court decides, as you said , you’ll burn down LYNAS, so lets LYNAS burning burn you in jail.
Chinaman dah tonjolkan wajah sebenar darah keturunan bintang 3 mereka yg selama ini bertapa. Baguslah. Boleh kita tau di kawasan mana china hijau ni nak bertanding dlm pru13 kelak? Di kawasan majoriti melayu atau cina? Mampus hidup balik dia tak menang di kawasan majoriti melayu. Jika bertanding di kawasan majoriti cina, china hijau ni akan cannibalise undi majoriti je. Apa citer apek?
To read : china hijau ni akan cannibalise undi majoriti DAP je. Apa citer apek?
I still remember one local Malay in Pahang told me why the Chinese from Penang really concern when Lynas choose gebeng to invest and set up kilang nadir bumi which AELB had given assurance it is not a nuclear plant?
And also he told me the Chinese in Penang just keep on silence when their own CM ‘gondolising’ the hill in Penang.
Thats why Im worried if this issue end up as the Chinese vs Malay…
Will DAP and the whole so-called green group do the same if Lynas choose Penang to invest a million ringgit for them?
The message that Wong Tack is sending is rather consistent and in keeping up with the message that DAP and PR are sending.
These Pakatoons have taken streets to protests and overturned police cars and attacked cops. Anwar has threated a Malaysian Spring if PR loses in GE13.
So it is only logical that DAP and their supporters will resort to violence and terrorism if they do not get what they want.
I won’t be surprised if Dapsters will take the streets in violent protests if they fail to wrest power from BN in GE13. They, thanks to the massive brainwashing by MI and MK, are totally convinced that PR will win GE13 hands down and the only way to deny it is via massive electoral fraud. And when DAP loses, these Dapsters will go crazy with anger and “desperation” and try to seize power via violence. Who knows, Wong Tack might do a Loi Tat and start the new armed rebellion to “free” the country.
BTW, PR is the new Bintang Tiga – the bintangs being PKR, PAS and DAP.
Mr Calvin Sankaran, what an immature and shallow prediction.
Few pointers and questions I would like to ask you:
1. Would you want to stay in Kuantan, near Lynas? Talk is cheap until you and your family are affected by potential radiation. I don’t condone Wong’s statement by the way.
2. Can the EC clean up the electoral role especially when there have been reported cases of one house address having many many people or one IC having multiple voting locations? So many phantom voters and the EC is mum about it.
3. If you’re following the current RCI in Sabah, they have legitimate witnesses that claim foreigners were given ICs in exchange of vote for BN. If the RCI deemed that it is true that thousands were given citizenship in exchange for votes in an illegal manner, then it makes the present day government illegal because they’ve also obtained majority through these “so called Malaysian citizens”.
4. Talk about clean and fair election la. Then we will see who will form the government. May those who obtain the real majority win.
Your prediction is lame. Grow up kid.
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Nick Tsurikov the international radiation safety expert who is the co-author of the IAEA safety report had categorically maintained that there is absolutely no radiation or toxic waste problem from the Lynas plant.
” THORIUM IN WASTE IS INSOLUBLE AND CANNOT ‘POISON’ ANY PLANTS, ANIMALS OR THE ENVIRONMENT – EVEN IN THEORY”
Quote Nick Tsurikov:
” NICK TSURIKOV, RADIATION SAFETY SPECIALIST, ON LYNAS PLANT, QUOTE:
“The following has been confirmed way too many times and has NEVER EVER been proven to be false by anyone:
1. Radiation from the plant will be undetectable outside the boundaries;
2. None of the materials have to be signposted as ‘radioactive’ for transport – as per international regulations, since 1996;
3. In accordance with international guidelines, the plant can be allowed to operate pretty much anywhere in the world with minimal regulation;
4. Vast majority of tailings will have only half of thorium that is in normal Malaysian soil;
5. THORIUM IN OTHER WASTE IS INSOLUBLE AND CANNOT “POISON” ANY PLANTS, ANIMALS OR THE ENVIRONMENT – EVEN IN THEORY;
6. Blending of tailings follows the basic safety principle of World Health Organisation, International Labour Organisation and seven more UN and other reputable international organisation – with guidelines on this existing in many countries;
7. Maximum dose to workers is not expected to be more that ~25% of the limit, therefore – in accordance with international guidelines – personal monitoring is not even necessary: the doses are so low that they can be assessed for a ‘work group’, no need for ‘individual’ assessments.
Unquote.
ORE FOR LYNAS PLANT = 1,600 ppm (parts per million) of Thorium
2 MOST VOLUMINOUS LYNAS “WASTE” = 12 ppm of Thorium
SMALL 3rd RESIDUE STREAM = 1,500 ppm of Thorium
AVERAGE MALAYSIAN SOIL = 20 ppm OF THORIUM
Nick Tsurikov, Radiation Safety Expert: ” THE MAJORITY OF THIS LYNAS “WASTE” WILL HAVE ONLY HALF THE THORIUM THAN IN NORMAL MALAYSIAN SOIL.
So, in fact most of Lynas residues are only half as radioactive as the sand the kids all over Malaysia play in the kindergartens”
(Note: Sand or crystalline SiO2 is also classified as a group 1 Carcinogen by IARC).
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Journal of Nuclear and Related Technology
1. THE ANNUAL DOSE RATE EXPOSURE
FROM MALAYSIAN CLAY BRICK HOUSE = 0.43 mSv/year
(215 x Lynas Worst Case Scenario)
2. SLEEPING IN WOODEN HOUSE = 0.20 mSv/yr
(100x Lynas worst case)
3. SLAG BRICK AND GRANITE HOUSE = up to 2.0 mSv/yr
(1,000x Lynas worst case)
SO TO ALL ANTI-LYNAS FOLKS, YOU SHOULD PITCH UP A TENT NEXT TO THE LYNAS PLANT AND SEND YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY TO LIVE NEXT TO LYNAS AS THIS IS HUNDREDS OF TIMES LESS RADIOACTIVE THAN LIVING IN YOUR PRESENT WOODEN OR BRICK HOUSES !
4. SLEEPING NEXT TO SOMEONE for 8 hrs/day
(e.g. your wife) = 0.02 mSv (UNSCEAR, IAEA)
(10x Lynas worst case)
AND DON’T SLEEP WITH YOUR WIFE OR HUSBAND FOR THAT IS LIKE SLEEPING NEXT TO 10 LYNAS PLANTS!
The favourite punch line of the Anti-Lynas Red Guards which has been used against anyone who dares to defy them is:
“IF LYNAS IS SO SAFE, WHY DON’T YOU TAKE YOUR FAMILY AND STAY THERE NEXT TO LYNAS?”
Well, their GREAT LEADER AND SUPREME MASTER, Wong Tack HAS PITCHED A TENT NEXT TO LYNAS AND LED HIS FLOCK OF SHEEPISH SHEEP TO STAY NEXT TO LYNAS IN GEBENG !
He has vowed to stay there as long as Lynas is there !
He is trying to tell his brainwashed followers as well as the rest of the world that ” LYNAS IS SO SAFE” ! ….. otherwise he would not have subjected himself and his flock of sheep to the imagined radiation and toxic waste danger ! ! ! .. .by STAYING THERE NEXT TO LYNAS ! ! !
So, to all the Anti-Lynas Red Guards, PLEASE LISTEN TO YOUR SUPREME LEADER AND ADMIT THAT LYNAS IS VERY SAFE…. SAFE ENOUGH FOR YOUR GREAT LEADER AND SUPREME COMMANDER TO STAY THERE WITH HIS FLOCK OF SHEEP ! ! ! :-)
Dato’ Dr Looi Hoong Wah
FAMM, MB., ChB(Manchester), MRCS(England), MRCP(UK), MRCP(London)
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http://kickdefella.net/2012/04/17/lynas-negligible-radiation-but-only-toxic-chemical-waste/#more-5242
orang ini dah lama sudah pension lagi mahu pikir dia itu seorang pakar. Thorium dan uraniumkedua-dua nya radioaktif. Bekas doctor ini dekat dgn sultan Pahang yg kasi tanah utk Lynas. Omong kosong betul
Brownny,
1. We are being bombarded by radiations every day, from the electrical/electronics devices that we use to even from the sunlight. I love in Penang mainland and there are hundreds of factories which produce much more harmful toxic materials than Lynas. While we have numerous “experts” on radiation, the real experts are IAEA. To me only their opinion matters.
2. These issues have nothing to do with this thread. In any case, using your logic, the state govts of Penang, Selangor, Kedah and Kelantan are also illegitimate.
3. Sabah RCI : There is no way that any govt can guarantee that new immigrants will vote BN. The RCI is still on going and the initial witness were once ISA detainees for selling ICs to foreigners for money. Obvious they will claim they were made to do it. I agree ICs were given to foreigners but I also know Anwar was one of the mastermind behind this project.
4. To PR, their definition of clean and fair election is the election that PR wins. Anything else is fraud.
As for my prediction, let’s wait and see shall we. BTW, a foretaste of this was seen during the Sibu by-election where thousands of Dapsters gathered in front of the counting center to protest. Had BN won, there would have been violence.
I really cannot understand these dumb supporters. No one who support this movement has been able to articulate why lynas is dangerous. Ive gone to many many pro pr blogs including fraudster haris and not even one is able justify their position. These are movements based on fraud falsehood and lies.
What’s worse is that not only they are dumb, they threatened violence to support this stupid act. Kurang ajar. Violence begets violence lah you fool. Then what? What if people then burn Wong tak’s house pula? Is this ok? Bodoh betul tak Kira consequence. They’re getting dumber by the minutes.
re: “They’re getting dumber by the minutes.”
ROTFL. Usually they get dumber by the day. M’sians are accelerating to a world record.
Pada hakikatnya kilang Lynas adalah sebuah kilang kimia mcm kilang kimia lain yg melata di M’sia termasuk di Penang. Bezanya, kilang Lynas ni proses nadir bumi dan mematuhi semua standard keselamatan yg ditetapkan badan antarabangsa. Jadi kenapa kilang-kilang kimia lain tidak diugut utk dibakar ? Adakah China hijau itu bodoh yg amat atau pilih bulu ?
Hope it’ll shed some lights Ellese.
14. Calvin Sankaran | Februari 5, 2013 at 11:02 pm
Yo bro sure or not.? Come posts GE13, you’d think the Bn’s supporters will tolerate this kind of nonsense.? Bring it on , i’d say to the bloody rioters. There is a certain limitations to one’s race of patience. Jikalau dah bagi betis mahu paha, bagi muka nak naik kepala, terima lah padah nya nanti.
Instigations is not required when race and religion is being trampled by others. Every living soul will join the bandwagon then , even from all the ceruk kampung , i guess they’ll come in hordes to defend their motherland.
We really don’t need anarchies to thrive in Malaysia, but if it comes on our door steps, we’ve got to defend it at all costs. At that particular moment every civil minded citizens will draw the line of their faith and patriotism. That will be an ugly senario.
Do not take for granted a person allegiance to political parties when in actual fact translated differently during confrontations. That’s what I mean when they will draw the line.
Do not ever dream of such things, very chilling results will happen. I dare not even want to visualize it. As it is playing religious issues is already akin to playing with fire.
Stop propagating war. Lets make love not war. Peace. Sure miss the songs from The Beatles. Give peace a chance.
A COUNTRY’S CONSTITUTION IS NOT SET IN STONE.
The non-Muslim community of this country should know the following:
1. Our Muslim Brothers have more than 2/3rd of the seats in Parliament at present (I stand to be corrected) and definitely in the near future.
The Muslim population in Malaysia is now over 65%.
Malaysia is NOT a democracy with PROPORTIONAL representation. As such if a segment of the population of a certain religion have only 50.001% of the votes, they can statistically end up with ALL i.e.100% of the seats.
So getting 2/3rd majority and have the Constitution changed, is not a problem at all.
2. Once the motion for Hudud Law is tabled in the Parliament, ALL Muslims have a religious obligation to vote FOR it and NEVER against it.
That’s why the two BN representatives in Kelantan voted FOR the motion ?
3. In a report (I stand to be corrected as well), it was alleged that the leader of a certain opposition party has said that he would allow any state that wants Hudud to do so.
PAS SECRETARY-GENERAL DATUK MUSTAFA ALI spoke to Sin Chew Daily in an interview over the hudud issue recently.
Asked if Muslim MPs from the Barisan Nasional would support PAS if it moves a motion to amend the constitution to pave the way for hudud, he said:
“Even if we do this in the Parliament, Umno will not agree to implement hudud.
“BUT SINCE THEY ARE MUSLIMS, THEY CANNOT OPPOSE IT..”
Again according to the Sinchew Newspaper : “PAS deputy president Mohamad Sabu was alleged to have said in an interview,
“PAS has decided that it will seek constitutional amendment in the Parliament
TO IMPLEMENT THE HUDUD LAW ONCE THE
PAKATAN TAKES THE HELM OF THE FEDERAL
ADMINISTRATION.”
Kindly note: Once the motion for Hudud Law is tabled in the Parliament, ALL Muslims have a religious obligation and MUST vote FOR it.
ALL NON-MUSLIMS SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THIS AND MUST THINK VERY CAREFULLY BEFORE THEY CAST THEIR VOTE.
THIS NEXT GENERAL ELECTION WILL AFFECT NOT ONLY THE PRESENT GENERATION BUT ALL YOUR DESCENDANTS.
SO PLEASE THINK OF YOUR DESCENDANTS AND DO NOT TRADE IN THE AUTOCRATIC SHAH FOR THE THEOCRATIC AYATOLLAH who is good and divine in intention but inhumane in execution!
THE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOU, YOUR DESCENDANTS AND OUR COUNTRY ARE JUST TOO HORRIFIC TO CONTEMPLATE.
ONCE HUDUD LAW IS IMPLEMENTED IT WILL BE FOR THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF YEARS AND CAN NEVER BE REVOKED !
And as one writer said,
“Under Hudud, if Lim Kit Siang, Karpal Singh and Mahathir were caught stealing,
Mahathir will have his hand chopped off, whereas Lim and Karpal will only be fined a couple of hundred ringgit!
In the eyes of the law, this is definitely not fair.
SINCE MOST ADVOCATES OF HUDUD BELIEVE THAT HUDUD IS A DEVINE LAW, AND SO TO BE FAIR TO ALL MUSLIMS AND THE REST OF THE POPULATION, HUDUD SHOULD, MUST AND ULTIMATELY WILL BE APPLIED TO ALL MANKIND, IRRESPECTIVE OF RACE, RELIGION OR STATUS !
TO ALL THOSE NON-MUSLIMS WHO BELIEVE THAT
NON-MUSLIMS ARE NOT COVERED BY THE
HUDUD LAW,
PLEASE GO TO ONE OF THE MIDDLE EASTERN
COUNTRIES WHERE HUDUD IS PRACTICED AND
ROB SOMEONE OF SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT.
THEN ADMIT TO THE POLICE IN THAT COUNTRY
THAT “THEY HAVE A HAND IN THE CRIME”.
IF HE OR SHE COMES BACK WITH BOTH HANDS INTACT,
THEN I WILL ADMIT THAT I AM WRONG AND
THEY ARE RIGHT.
BUT IF HE OR SHE COMES BACK WITH ONLY ONE
HAND FOR HAVING A HAND IN THE ROBBERY,
THEN I AM RIGHT AND THEY ARE WRONG !
(Remember: A country’s constitution is not set in stone !)
Quote: “That’s why PAS intends to implement Hudud through the proper way – in Parliament. If the majority of Malaysians want Hudud and through 2/3 of the MPs in Parliament that represent them, decide to implement Hudud, is it right for the minority to deny them that?
That’s democracy at work. That’s also our Perlembagaan at work. Minority will have their say just that they get outvoted by the majority.” Unquote.
Answer:
Your argument reminds me of a story of 3 men stranded on a remote island
with no hope of rescue for a long, long time.
After a few weeks, they ran out of food,
SO TWO OF THEM GANG UP AND DECIDED TO KILL AND
EAT THE 3rd MAN.
SO THE TWO PUT IT TO A DEMOCRATIC VOTE AND
MANAGED TO GET A 2/3rd MAJORITY.
SINCE THESE 2 MEN HAVE A 2/3rd DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY
WE SHOULD SHUT UP, SAY NOTHING ABOUT THEIR CRIME
BUT JUST CELEBRATE THE TRIUMPH OF DEMOCRACY
OVER ANARCHY !!!!!!!!!
AS YOU SAID, THAT’S HOW DEMONCRAZY WORKS !!!!!
Quote: ” So, you rather we don’t have democracy?” Unquote.
Answer:
We should have democracy but we should not embrace any concept absolutely without any reservations and absolutely without getting any advice from that part of our brain that computes logic and from that part of our brain that controls our morality and empathy.
Since democracy is developed by humans, IT IS NOT PERFECT.
The majority is NOT ALWAYS RIGHT.
THEY MAY BE NUMERICALLY AND STATISTICALLY
RIGHT BUT NEVER, MORALLY OR EVEN LOGICALLY,
ALWAYS RIGHT !
IN A REAL AND TRUE DEMOCRACY, THE MINORITY
HAS TO BE PROTECTED AND THE DESIRES OR WILL
OF THE SO-CALLED MAJORITY SHOULD, IN CERTAIN
CIRCUMSTANCES, BE PUT ASIDE AND IGNORED IF
THE RIGHTS OF THE MINORITY ARE BEING INFRINGED ON,
OR ENCROACHED ON OR TRANSGRESSED UPON !
May God bless this beautiful country.
Dr Looi
http://kickdefella.net/2012/04/17/lynas-negligible-radiation-but-only-toxic-chemical-waste/#more-5242
THE NATURE OF THE SEATS ARE NOW ALL CHANGED TO THE ADVANTAGE OF OUR MUSLIM BROTHERS AS THE 2.9 MILLION NEW VOTERS ARE MAINLY FROM OUR MUSLIM BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
According to one source which may or may not be true (and I stand to be corrected), the leader of the opposition has already said he will allow states which want Hudud to do so.
Even if the motion for Hudud is prevented from being tabled in Parliament, and if there is no objection from the ruling party, states like Terengganu, Kelantan, Perlis and Kedah and even Pahang, Hudud may be implemented under the present religious laws.
REMEMBER, EVEN IF THERE IS NO 2/3rd MAJORITY AN ACT OF PARLIAMENT CAN BE AMENDED BY A SIMPLE MAJORITY IN THE PARLIAMENT WITHOUT A 2/3rd MAJORITY AND IT WILL BECOME PART OF THE FEDERAL LAWS..
MALAYSIA IS NOT A DEMOCRACY WITH PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION.
AS SUCH IF A SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION OF A CERTAIN RELIGION HAVE ONLY 50.001% OF THE VOTES, THEY CAN STATISTICALLY END UP WITH ALL THE 222 PARLIAMENTARY SEATS i.e. 100% of the seats!
Remember, our Muslim Brothers and Sisters now make up about 61% to 65% of our population (depending on who you ask).
And because of this fact alone, there is a more than just a probability (50.001% = Possibility) that they can end up with more than a 2/3rd majority.
So getting 2/3rd majority and have the Constitution changed, is not a problem at all.
At present our Muslim Brothers have more than 130 parliamentary seats (again depending who you ask). However, this does not matter anymore as what is important is the present status of seats which are predominantly Muslim and that which are not.
What the data below shows is that our Muslim Brothers who already make up about 61% of the population, will have more than the 148 seats majority required to have the constitution changed, because of the more rapid increase in the number of Muslim new voters, altering a large number of the marginal mixed seats to that of Muslim majority seats.
Data for the coming general election:
Of the 165 parliamentary constituencies in the Peninsula, less than 16% are definitely predominantly non-Muslim i.e. about 26 constituencies..
For the 57 constituencies in East Malaysia, about half are predominantly Muslim.
Non-Muslim majority constituencies should be much less now because since the last election, from 2009 to 2011, 2.9 million (22%) more voters have registered and the majority of new voters (well over ~ 60%) are Muslims (data for 2012 not available).
In 2009, Malays made up 187,828 of the new voters or 67.3 per cent, Chinese 19.8 per cent and Sarawak bumiputeras 4.8 per cent while in 2010, Malays comprised 466,137 of the new voters or 56.4 per cent, Chinese 27 per cent and Indians 6.6 per cent.
In 2011, the breakdown was 611,498 or 60.6 per cent Malays, 22 per cent Chinese and 6.7 per cent Indians.
The 14% Peninsular marginal seats ( ~23 seats) was magically converted into Non-Muslim majority seats by certain people in their so called well-researched data, and as a result of this, they claim that it is impossible for our Muslim Brothers to get a 2/3rd majority.
HOWEVER, AS A RESULT OF THE INCREASE OF WELL OVER 22% OF NEW VOTERS, THE MAJORITY OF WHOM ARE MUSLIMS from 2008 to 2011(more new voters for the year 2012 not included), most of the so-called marginal seats are now Muslim majority seats.
BECAUSE OF THIS, THE NUMBER OF MUSLIM MAJORITY SEATS MAY WELL EXCEED THE 2/3rd MAJORITY OF 148 SEATS IN THE COMING GENERAL ELECTION (nobody really knows as the data are not available and I stand to be corrected when the data is freely available).
If the motion for Hudud is tabled in the new Parliament, all our Muslim Brothers in the parliament will be morally obliged to vote for it.
REMEMBER, EVEN IF THERE IS NO 2/3rd MAJORITY AN ACT OF PARLIAMENT CAN BE AMENDED BY A SIMPLE MAJORITY IN THE PARLIAMENT WITHOUT A 2/3rd MAJORITY AND IT WILL BECOME PART OF THE FEDERAL LAWS..
Even if the motion for Hudud is prevented from being tabled, and if there is no objection from the ruling party (according to one source which may or may not be true, the leader of the opposition has already said he will allow states which want Hudud to do so), states like Terengganu, Kelantan, Perlis and Kedah, Hudud may be implemented under the present religious laws.
There has been recently an incessant call to TRADE IN THE SO CALLED “CORRUPT” AUTOCRATIC SHAH FOR THE THEOCRATIC AYATOLLAH who is INCORRUPTIBLE, GOOD AND DIVINE IN INTENTION BUT unfortunately is INHUMANE IN EXECUTION.
However we must remember that corruption is probably the 2nd oldest profession after prostitution and it is virtually impossible to completely clean out all corruption.
Even so-called corruption free countries like Singapore, UK and the USA, DO HAVE corrupt people except corruption in these places are not as rampant or as blatant as in some places.
Almost totally corruption free countries, like Iran, North Korea and the old East Germany are pretty gloomy places to live in and raise your family.
Malaysia, though not a country full of Saints, Sugar and Honey, is in fact a reasonably corruption free well run place and is, compared to many many countries, a very beautiful and safe place for your family.
OTHERWISE, WHY IS IT THAT OVER 3 MILLION OR SO LEGAL AND ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WOULD WANT TO COME HERE TO WORK AND RAISE THEIR FAMILIES ?
May the Good Lord bless this beautiful country.
Dato’ Dr Looi
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http://aliran.com/archives/monthly/2002/6e.html
According to ALIRAN:
QUOTE ALIRAN:
“1. Can Hudud punishment be reduced and adjusted?
Hudud punishment is mandatory.
Section 50 of the Terengganu Enactment provides that hudud punishments
may not be reduced, substituted, stayed or in any way varied.
Nor can the offender be forgiven.
2. What is the difference in the notion of crime between Hudud and any secular penal code?
Under secular laws, an action is considered criminal if it brings about serious harm or death to another party or when there is victimization involved.
The violation of private property rights, including bodily rights (as in physical assault and rape) is also construed to be a crime.
Although Hudud and Qisas are informed by these premises, there are additional areas in the Islamic law which are outside the bounds of these justifications.
For example, under secular law, a sexual relationship between consenting adults is not a crime as it does not bring injurious harm to another party.
Drinking of alcohol is not a victimizing act, hence it is also not a crime.
However, drunken driving is, as it can potentially cause serious harm to another party.
The right to renounce one’s religion is also not a crime as it is considered a human right to religious freedom, with no repercussions of victimization.
In contrast, Hudud law “criminalizes” all of these actions, namely, sex outside marriage, drinking of alcohol and the renouncement of the Islamic religion.
Hudud proponents say that these laws are divinely ordained by God.
However, the codification and formalization of these laws are mediated by human actions and subjected to human interpretations.
3. What are the punishments prescribed for the offences?
SYURB –
is consumption of liquor or other intoxicating drinks.
The act of consumption in itself regardless of whether a person is intoxicated by it, is punishable with whipping of not less that 40 stripes for first offenders, 80 stripes and imprisonment for repeat offenders.
SARIQAH (theft) –
is punishable by the amputation of the offender’s right hand.
For a second offender, amputation of his left leg and for a third and subsequent offender imprisonment as deemed fit by the court.
However the offender shall not be liable for the above punishments if amongst others, the value of the stolen property is less than a prescribed sum, the owner of the stolen property failed to take adequate steps to protect his property, the property is freely available or the property is valueless in Islam e.g. liquor or entertainment equipment.
HIRABAH –
For the crime of armed robbery, the punishment is:-
death and thereafter crucifixion if the victim is killed and his or another person’s property is taken;
or death if the victim is killed but no property is take; or amputation of the right hand and left leg if the victim is not killed or injured.
ZINA –
is categorised under the Bill as:-illicit intercourse by an unmarried person with another person the punishment for which is whipping of 100 stripes and 1 year imprisonment;
AND ADULTERY; THE PUNISHMENT FOR WHICH IS STONING UNTIL DEATH.
QAZAF –
The Qur’anic injunction against qazaf is to prohibit the accusation of chaste women of zina (illicit intercourse).
Under the Bill, any person who accuses another of illicit intercourse without bringing forth 4 adult male Muslim witnesses, is to be punished with whipping of 80 stripes.
Section 9 specifically states that any person complaining of rape in a case where such rape is not proven shall be deemed to have committed qazaf.
In relation to married couples, zina may be proven by unrebutted sworn allegation of a person against his/her spouse.
LIWAT –
is defined under the Bill as sodomy by a man with another person who is not his wife.
Liwat is to be proven in the same manner as zina.
IRTIDAD OR RIDDAH –
The punishment for blasphemy or apostasy by an unrepentant offender is death and forfeiture of property.”
UNQUOTE.
Dr Looi
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http://aliran.com/archives/monthly/2002/6e.html
SAFE TO HOLD METALIC THORIUM-232 IN THE HAND
IF you go to Google and do a search for pictures of how foreign scientists handle Thorium-232 and even pure enriched Uranium-235 and 238, you would be able to find a lot of pictures that clearly show that you can safely hold pure thorium of uranium pellets or rods in your hands.
This is because Thorium-232, when it decays, produces only alpha particles and no gamma rays.
Because of the very long half life of Thorium-232, which is 14 billion years (the age of the universe is only 13.7 billion years), the amount of Thorium-232 which is transformed to Radium-228 after, say a year, is incredibly small.
As such, only a tiny amount of alpha radiation (helium atoms without their electrons) is produced by the thorium atoms.
Alpha particles do not penetrate the human skin and are, therefore, not dangerous.
Thorium-232 is safe, provided we are not stupid enough to eat it or grind it up into a fine powder and inhale it.
Even if you were to consume the non-radioactive Lead-208, you would not be staying healthy for long.
Thorium-232 does not produce the dangerous penetrating ionizing gamma rays.
The 0.09 MeV of gamma radiation detected comes from Thorium-228’s decay to Radium-224 to Radon-220 to Polonium-216 and ultimately through a number of pathways to the stable non-radioactive Lead-208.
That is why I really cannot understand why people in Kuantan are so irrationally fearful of Lynas Corporation’s rare earth plant, which will produce only a small amount of Thorium-232 in their waste product.
That plant is neither a nuclear reactor nor a nuclear bomb manufacturing facility.
It is only a plant to extract rare earth from its ore, which is dug up from the ground.
And the rare earth ore has been in the ground for billions of years.
The situation has become ridiculous, and even farcical.
For instance, one of my friends has even stopped construction of his new house in Kuantan because he is fearful of a nuclear explosion in the Lynas plant.
This impossibility has become a probability in the minds of the intensely brainwashed people in Kuantan.
(Note: I have bought a box of Radioactive Thorium-232 Gas Mantles in a shop right here in Kuantan ! ! !)
REMEMBER THE “WHITE GAS BULBS” OR RATHER
KEROSENE GAS MANTLES MADE IN GERMANY?
THE ACTIVITY OF A GAS MANTLE IS ABOUT 1,900 Bq PER MANTLE !
Compare this with Lynas most radioactive residue
WLP = only 6 Bq/g.
THESE GAS MANTLES WERE USED IN THOSE LANTERNS WHICH
GIVE OFF A VERY BRIGHT WHITE LIGHT AND WERE
UNIVERSALLY USED BY ALL STREET HAWKERS IN
THE WHOLE OF MALAYSIA IN THE 60s AND 70s?
THESE GAS MANTLES ARE MADE OF FABRIC SOAKED
IN THORIUM NITRATE MIXED WITH A LITTLE CERIUM. AND
AFTER THE INITIAL “FIRING” IT BECOMES ALMOST
PURE THORIUM DIOXIDE.
IN THE BURNING KEROSENE VAPOUR, THE TEMPERATURE
CAN REACH OVER 1,000 DEGREES CENTIGRADE.
MILLIONS OF MALAYSIANS IN THE PAST HAD HELD
THESE “DANGEROUS, RADIOACTIVE” THORIUM GAS
MANTLES IN THEIR HANDS.
THESE ARE STILL BEING SOLD FREELY AND WITHOUT
ANY SPECIAL LICENSE FROM AELB.
REMEMBER THORIUM DIOXIDE HAS A SPECIFIC
ACTIVITY OF 3,585 Bq/g !
THE “WASTE” FROM LYNAS IS ONLY 6 Bq/g.
WHY ARE FOLKS FROM THE ANTI-LYNAS CAMP SO
FRIGHTEN OF 6 Bq/g FROM LYNAS WASTE WHILE NOT
WORRIED ABOUT THE 3,585 Bq/g OF RADIATION FROM
THEIR KEROSENE LAMP ?
The contact dose rate from a single thoriated mantle is about 1 μSv h-1.
A large consignment of 2500 mantles held in a cardboard box gives a dose rate of ~ 20 μSv h-1 at the surface of the container falling off rapidly with distance to < 1 μSv h-1 at 1 m.
Rn-220 (Thoron) is emitted in small quantities from gas mantles in storage but it is very short lived and does not escape from the heat sealed cellophane wrapping.
The most significant internal hazard arises from mantle ash during replacement.
But the danger should not be exaggerated. I can remember that when we were children, we use to play with the old gas mantles by crushing them with our hands and blowing the powder into the air.
There is a potential committed effective doses of 9 μSv from inhalation and 5 μSv from ingestion.
Emissions of airborne contamination during operation of the mantle are very small.
The main potential danger is, if there is a fire at a gas mantle storage facility holding large numbers of gas mantles.
This could present an inhalation hazard from thorium oxide dust and aerosols containing daughter products
Dato' Dr Looi Hoong Wah
FAMM, MB., ChB(Manchester), MRCS(England), MRCP(UK), MRCP(London)
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http://kickdefella.net/2012/04/17/lynas-negligible-radiation-but-only-toxic-chemical-waste/#more-5242
THE GERMAN OEKO Institute REPORT ON LYNAS
COMMENT:
The above report reminds me of the Chinese saying “If you have enough money, you can make even the Devil pull your cart for you !”
There is actually nothing new in this report but rather the same old mundane arguments that have been persistently harped on by the Anti-Lynas clique.
What this report does is exploiting the well known technique of presenting the incontestable facts in a devious complicated way so as to confuse the general population and to evoke a response that is completely opposite to that if the same facts were presented in a SIMPLE HONEST WAY !
For instance, instead of saying that my rocket propelled car is capable of a maximum speed of 100 km/hr (which is obviously very slow for a rocket car),
I can just boast and say that my rocket car is capable of going at
100 x10^15 femtometers/hr or
100,000,000,000,000,000 femtometers/hr !
This makes it look like going at warp speed !
Example 1: “USING A UNIT OF MEASURE UNFAMILIAR TO MOST PEOPLE.”
The RADON-220 concentration is stated as 167 fg (femtogram) at secular equilibrium.
167 fg looks like a huge amount of dangerous gas which will cause cancer in a lot of people in Kuantan.
Only people in the scientific community will know that 167 femtogram is an incredibly miniscule quantity.
If the data is put in an honest uncomplicated way like this below, you would see that it is such a tiny amount that it can be safely ignored:
“1 TONNE OF LYNAS ORE WILL PRODUCE ONLY A TINY AMOUNT OF RADON-220 GAS i.e.
0.000000000000167 grams
of gas and since Radon-220 has a half-life of only 55 seconds, the concentration will be halved in every 55 seconds and after about 10 minutes this amount will be near 0 !
And again, only the tiny fraction of gas at or very near the surface of the pile of Lynas ore or WLP residue will be able to live long enough to escape into the air.
In the air, when it is spread over the 500 acres of the Lynas facility, IT WILL BECOME VIRTUALLY UNDETECTABLE OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF
THE PLANT AND WILL POSE NO HEALTH RISK TO ANYBODY or even to any living creature ! ”
An almost similar trick was used by another of the Anti-Lynas commissioned report i.e. the NTN report.
Here it was claimed that the Lynas ore contained 62 Bq/g instead of 6.2 Bq/g and as such implied that Lynas was lying.
There are essentially two ways of doing this, one is old fashioned way which use the total activity and the other is the modern currently in use and internationally accepted one and this uses only the concentration of the “mother” radionuclide.
Old method: “Since each atom of Thorium-232 decays into 11 other atoms of other radionuclides (12 atoms involved), each Bq of Thorium-232 had been assumed to be multiplied by a factor of 10 (10 because the end result Lead-208 is considered non-radioactive though this may not be true as it still has a half life of 19 million billion years, and Bismuth-212 decays either into Polonium-212 or to Thallium-208 both of which then decay into Lead-208..so Po-212 and Tl-208 can be considered as 1 Bq only).”
Quote: International Radiation Safety Expert Nick Tsurikov:
” On this basis, if a material contains 400 parts per million of thorium – its specific activity is calculated as follows:
a) Outdated method – 400 x 4.09 (specific activity of Th-232) x 10 (number of radio nuclides in the thorium decay chain) = 16,360 Bq/kg, or 16.4 Bq/g
b) International standard (IAEA, AELB and Australia) – 400 x 4.09 = 1,630 Bq/kg, or 1.64 Bq/g.”
Unquote.
The Anti-Lynas folk is now using this old fashion way of looking at specific activity to confuse the people.
Because of all this, they claim that the Lynas “waste” is not 6.2 Bq/g but 62 Bq/g and Lynas has been misleading the people about the radioactivity.
The truth is that nobody, except some of the Chinese in China still use this non-standard way of looking at specific activity of a series radionuclide.
The old method has been discontinued internationally since about 1997.
Actually, when we use the standard description “Lynas waste has only 6.2 Bq/g”, we have already factored in the radiation from all the daughter radionuclides.
All the dose coefficients given by IAEA of 0.39 microSv/hr/Bq/g for radiation at 1 metre from a pile of Thorium, and by UNSCEAR of 0.604 microSv/hr/Bq/gm for radiation dose from an infinite field of Thorium DEMANDS THAT WE USE THE STANDARD WAY OF DESCRIBING SPECIFIC ACTIVITY i.e. 1 Bq of activity in both a series or single non-series decay means 1 atom of the “mother” radionuclide decaying.
So as far as the dosage in terms of biological effects is concerned, whether we use the standard 6.2 Bq/g or the old Chinese way of 62 Bq/g to describe the radioactivity of the Lynas “waste”, there is NO DIFFERENCE, as, if we were to use the old Chinese 62 Bq/g, we will have to divide the IAEA and UNSCEAR coefficients by a factor of 10.
Example 2: “ADDING COMPLICATED IRRELEVANT DATA TO REPORT in order to confuse and to give an air of authority and legitimacy”
The concentration of Uranium-238 oxide in the Lynas ore is only 29 ppm,
whereas the Uranium-238 from Zircon from Kampar in Malaysia is 0.25% or
2,500 ppm (Journal of Nuclear and Related Technology Gol.7, June 2010) !
And yet the OEKO Anti-Lynas report showed an irrelevant chart with the minute details of Uranium-238 decay and its decay products.
The U-238 oxide content in the Lynas ore and residue is too small to be of any significance.
Example 3: ” COMPARING A TOXIN OR RADIONUCLIDE WITH SOMETHING LOWER BUT HIDING ALL HIGHER COMPARATIVE DATA”.
Quote OEKO: “Thorium content of the ore
• very high compared to the lowest bandwidth of uranium content of commercially mined uranium ores today (> 0.03% U, e.g. at Rössing/Namibia), while the uranium content of the ore concentrate is lower by a factor of 10 compared to those uranium ores,
• considerably higher than the thorium content in many other REE ores, e.g. by a factor of roughly 3 larger than at Mountain Pass (USA), but by a factor of roughly 10 less than in (historically or currently mined) monazites.
COMMENT:
The concentration of our own Tin Tailings or Amang is 284 Bq/g or 69,608 ppm.. so what so great about the 1,600 ppm in the Lynas ore !
And according to the AELB we have more than 10 plants handling these amang which are 4,700% more radioactive than the Lynas ore.
There are lots of data in this OEKO report which are intentionally displayed in a way to evoke an effect which will have the complete opposite of what it would be if presented in an HONEST, UNCOMPLICATED WAY.
Nick Tsurikov the international radiation safety expert who is the co-author of the IAEA safety report had categorically maintained that there is absolutely no radiation or significant toxic waste problem from the Lynas plant.
Quote Nick Tsurikov:
1. RADIATION FROM THE PLANT WILL BE UNDETECTABLE OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES (of the plant);
2. THORIUM IN OTHER WASTE IS INSOLUBLE AND CANNOT “POISON” ANY PLANTS, ANIMALS OR THE ENVIRONMENT – EVEN IN THEORY;
3. Maximum dose to workers is not expected to be more that ~25% of the limit, therefore – in accordance with international guidelines – personal monitoring is not even necessary: the doses are so low that they can be assessed for a ‘work group’, no need for ‘individual’ assessments.
Unquote.
CONCLUSION:
As the old Chinese saying goes ” If you have enough money, you can make even the Devil pull your cart for you !”….. AND THIS CART IS FULL OF CRAPS WHICH THE DEVIL WILL TRANSFORM AND SELL FOR YOU AS VALUABLE REAL CRABS !
Dr Looi
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AS REPORTED IN THE FZ SUNDAY during the Videoconferencing with Gerhard Schmidt of OEKO Institute.
Gerhard Schmidt, of Oeko Institute said, the WLP waste produced by Lynas, with the highest radioactive content, would be 1,000 TIMES ABOVE INTERNATIONALLY ACCEPTED PROTECTION LEVELS for the release of radioactive materials from regulatory control.
Comment:
By Nick Tsurikov the Renown International Radiation Safety Expert who is the co-author of the IAEA safety report:
” GERHARD SCHMIDT IS SO OBVIOUSLY WRONG that it is not even funny.
The WLP waste produced by Lynas would be 6 to 7 times above internationally accepted protection levels for the release of radioactive materials from regulatory control.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHATSOEVER WHERE HE GOT “1000 TIMES” FROM…
But I would like to respectfully note that a researcher/scientist from Germany is unlikely to have more knowledge and understanding of the issue than numerous reputable UN and other organisations, such as:
– World Health Organisation,
– UN Environment Programme,
– International Labor Organisation,
– International Atomic Energy Agency,
– Pan-American Health Organisation etc. etc.,
Which ALL agreed once again in the 2011 ‘basic safety standards’ that the materials below 1 Bq/g are beyond regulatory concern.
If there is some other international opinion, it surely is not accepted by the vast majority of the world…”
Dr Looi
http://kickdefella.net/2012/04/17/lynas-negligible-radiation-but-only-toxic-chemical-waste/#more-5242
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Quote Hong Chong Teh _10.02.13 ” -Report NTN..The author, Lee Bell mentioned that when rare earth produced, it also generates radioactive waste residue such as fluorine, flu dust, waste gas such as dust concentrate, hydrofluoric acid, sulfur acid dioxide, sulfuric acid and so on…. Are those radioactive waste mentioned can reproduce and turn into saleable items? ..If cannot turn into saleable items, how Lynas manage the radioactive waste?
COMMENT:
All industrial plants produce wastes and residues.
For example, a 1,000MW coal plant after just 1 year of operation produces 6,000,000 tons of CO2, 44,000 tons of SO2, 22,000 tons of NO2, 320,000 tons of ash containing 400 tons of heavy metals (arsenic, mercury, cadmium, lead etc.) and, here’s the kicker, including 5 tons of Uranium and 12 tons of Thorium from which the radon gas of both decay chains are out the chimney and into our air…
And we are building TWO of these now to add to those we already have on the peninsula.” Unquote.
(Quote from Scientific American)
“In fact, the fly ash emitted by a power plant—a by-product from burning coal for electricity—carries into the surrounding environment 100 times more radiation than a nuclear power plant producing the same amount of energy.” (Quote from Scientific American)”
According to Prof. Chun-Hua Yan, THE MAIN HAZARD in the Rare Earth Industry is the fluorine gas produced during the fusion process. He did not specify in which part of the process fluoride is used.
The Lynas ore or residue do not contain any significant fluorine.
As far as I can remember getting rare-earth metals requires a multiple-step process.
First rare-earth oxides, like cerium, praseodymium and neodymium oxide powders are exposed to hydrogen fluoride gas.
This turns the oxide powder into a crystalline fluoride, such as the green praesodymium fluoride crystal.
A reduction reaction and further processing turns the rare-earth fluorides into their final, pure metal forms.
I AM NOT SURE WHETHER LYNAS SELLS THE REE IN THE OXIDE FORM OR FURTHER REFINE THEM INTO THE PURE REE METALS.
Molycorp is selling Cerium and Lanthanum as the oxides.
IF LYNAS SELLS ONLY RARE EARTH OXIDE OR CHLORIDE, NO HYDROGEN FLUORIDE IS NEEDED IN THE PROCESS.
BUT WHATEVER LYNAS DOES, THE CHEMICAL PROCESS HAS BEEN REFINED AND PERFECTED BY THE REE PLANT IN LA ROCHELLE, FRANCE.
THIS SAME PROCESS IS NOW BEING USED IN THE ULTRA-MODERN, STATE OF ART, SUPER SOPHISTICATED LYNAS REE PLANT (unlike the primitive refineries in China).
AND THE LA ROCHELLE PLANT HAS BEEN PRODUCING RARE EARTHS SAFELY AND WITHOUT CAUSING ANY PROBLEM TO THE SEASIDE TOURIST CITY OF LA ROCHELLE FOR OVER 40 YEARS !
There is actually no waste products in Lynas and the so-called waste is not wasted but is recycled and made into useful highly profitable products.
The technology used to convert the residues to profitable products were perfected by Rhodia, the owners of the REE plant at La Rochelle.
THE RECYCLING OF THE RESIDUES IS DONE UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF ERIC NOYREZ, WHO WAS THE CEO OF RHODIA AND RHODIA IS DOING THE SAME HIGHLY PROFITABLE RECYCLING PROCEDURES IN LA ROCHELLE PLANT.
SO IT IS NOTHING NEW !
The operation of the plant will result in the generation of three major residue streams, namely the
1. WLP .. Water Leach Purification Residue (WLP) from the cracking and separation process,
2. FGD .. the Flue Gas Desulphurisation Residue (FGD) from the waste gas treatment system (scrubber) and the
3. NUF .. Neutralisation Underflow Solids from the wastewater treatment process (NUF).
ORE FOR LYNAS PLANT ~ 1,600 ppm (parts per million)
2 MOST VOLUMINOUS LYNAS “WASTE” = 12 ppm
3rd RESIDUE STREAM = 1,500 ppm of Thorium
AVERAGE MALAYSIAN SOIL = 20 ppm OF THORIUM
The first two are classified as non-radioactive as its radioactivity is only half that of Malaysian soil and is much much less radioactive than the SAND THAT YOUR CHILDREN PLAY WITH in our beaches.
Lynas will recycle them as synthetic gypsum for plaster board, magnesium rich synthetic gypsum and synthetic aggregate and cement manufacturing, or as fertiliser.
The global market for synthetic gypsum is approximately 150 million tonnes per annum.
At current rates of production, supplies of synthetic gypsum co-products are beginning to outstrip natural gypsum, thus providing valuable new alternative materials and preserving the planet’s natural resources.
The WLP can be diluted according to international standards and made into valuable clinker for road construction and other construction projects.
Dato’ Dr Looi
http://kickdefella.net/2012/04/17/lynas-negligible-radiation-but-only-toxic-chemical-waste/#more-5242
looihw88, you exhaust yourself. We don’t need political stance, we need humane stance. Thank you for making all the efforts, but don’t you think you fool yourself when the tact team US and Israel has most of the nuclear rectors in the world. Being idealist in one but being real is another.
Okay grow up besides your wikipedia enhanced knowledge but the reality for your community is. I must credit you for you have taken an effort but all you see is not gold or that glitters. Most times you need human interaction and that is what makes a difference from how it is rather than how it should be.
Quote Malaysianin New York | Februari 11, 2013 at 10:36 am
COMMENT:
THIS IS A CLASSIC CLEAR CUT CASE OF THE PERPLEXED POTTY POT CALLING THE POSH POLISHED CHROMIUM PLATED PLATINUM ELECTRIC KETTLE BLACK !
If “Malaysian in New York” is so full of humanity and knowledge why won’t he try to debunk me on any of the many scientific facts which I have posted.
This is very typical of someone who is bankrupt of ideas and is incapable of arguing on scientific facts and as a result just resort to low down personal attacks.
Kindly note: I am not Pro or Anti Lynas or Pro or Anti Government. I have absolutely no links whatsoever with any political parties or NGO or being paid by anyone or has any share in Lynas.
I owe nobody a living and nobody owes me a living. I have not received even a word of thanks from Lynas for debunking all the CRAPS posted by the Anti-Lynas folks.
I have nothing to gain by saying what I have said, except for brickbats, numerous four letter words and other unmentionable expletives from the Anti-Lynas Thugs.
I AM JUST AN ORDINARY CITIZEN OF MALAYSIA WHO IS NAUSEATED BY ALL THE LIES THAT ARE BEING PROPAGATED AND RADIATED BY THESE ANTI-LYNAS THUGS.
THESE CREATURES HAVE NO QUALMS OF RUNNING DOWN THEIR OWN COUNTRY BY CREATING A SCAPEGOAT IN AN ULTRA-MODERN CHEMICAL PLANT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF ENABLING THEIR MASTER BRAINWASHER TO GAIN A FEW EXTRA FILTHY VOTES IN THE COMING GENERAL ELECTION.
DO THEY CARE 2 HOOTS ABOUT THE 1,750 PEOPLE DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY EMPLOYED BY LYNAS AND WHOSE SALARIES OR INCOME ARE NEEDED TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLES FOR THEIR FAMILIES TO SURVIVE?
DO THEY CARE WHETHER THESE POOR HARD WORKING INNOCENT FELLOW HUMANS HAVE A JOB AND A HOME AND FOOD FOR THEIR CHILDREN ?
ALL THEY THINK ABOUT IS TO DESTROY LYNAS AND STOP THE CONSTRUCTION ANY NEW PROJECTS WHICH PROVIDE JOBS, SHELTER, FOOD AND A DECENT LIFE FOR THE POOR PEOPLE………. WHILE THEY THEMSELVES HAVE A COZY JOB, SHELTER AND PLENTY OF FOOD FOR THEIR CHILDREN.
IF THESE BRAINWASHED ZOMBIES ARE SO CARING, WHY DON’T THEY PROVIDE THE JOBS AND PROVIDE THE FOOD AND SHELTER FOR THE POOR PEOPLE INSTEAD OF JUST EMPTY TALK !
Unscrupulous people have been using videos and pictures of patients with congenital abnormalities and other illnesses from the Bukit Merah area to instil fear into the population. There is absolutely no scientific proof that these cases are caused by radiation.
THEY POST PICTURES OF POOR SUFFERING CHILDREN AND OTHERS WITH UNRELATED TUMOURS AND DISEASES …. THEY MILK THE SUFFERING OF OTHERS IN A SICK ATTEMPT TO LINK LYNAS TO THESE TERRIBLE ILLNESSES … THIS IS TRUELY IMMORAL AND DESPICABLE ! !
Only people with ulterior motives would use pictures and videos of these unfortunate patients whose disorders have nothing to do with radiation to score political points!
Dato’ Dr Looi Hoong Wah
FAMM, MB., ChB(Manchester), MRCS(England), MRCP(UK) MRCP(London)
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Dear looihw88, I sincerely apologize for the short sight on my part in assessing you in your knowledge in this area. What I commented on is totally unrelated to what you were educating us on.
Dear Malaysianin New York,
Thanks for your clarification. I would like to apologise to you for the rather harse words used by me.
Warmest regards,
Dr Looi
Dear looihw88,
I think very few sane people would disagree with the science. The trouble is, we are dealing with people who not only couldn’t understand the facts at hand but are also emotional beings with selective attachment to abstract ideas or values.
Everyone has the right to be concerned about a chemical plant being built in their area. It is like the old incineratoris-needed-but-not-in-my-backyard argument. If it was just as simple as creating a buffer zone and compensation for affected families, the arguments would be on the desired distance and amount of dollars to convince the lay folks to drop their opposition to Lynas.
It is like dealing with the Taliban or Islamic fundamentalists. If you can still reason with them, the matter would be on cost, trade-offs and buy outs. But when you are up against folks who are apposed to something because they have a gut feeling deep down in their bones (or against some religious edict), you know the battle is futile.
It doesn’t matter if the authority is the WHO or IAEA or Albert Einstein reborn. Local, regional or international experts are irrelevant because we can only deal with facts, not guarantees. We can show anti-Lynas supporters how the industry is like, where we stand in the larger picture of the trade (or food chain), and the national interests at stake, but we cannot shake the foundation that capitalist progress is made at the expense of human & environmental costs – however miniscule.
The only rational way to frame this debate is to ask ourselves what are we willing to give up to have Lynas. If Lynas is a reality, what kind of safety precautions and waste management are in place. To me, it is a no brainer – we cannot depend on Petronas forever. I would love to have Lynas – at a price, just like how we have all these other mineral extractions in Malaysia at a price. At this juncture, any settlement or compensation for local residents around Lynas is an act of political appeasement, not scientific ones.
We cannot win by hoping that scientific facts can trump out irrational fears. We can only try and bring people together to address their concerns and how we can best mitigate the reasonable (even misguided) fears and give them some freedom and choices for compensation or relocation. That involves the art of politics, not chemistry or physics or biology.
Mencelah sikit.
If the Wong Tack-folks ‘think’ (the opposite direction of placebo effect) that they will fall sick from living in the vicinity of Lynas, it might become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
That’s why I think it is in everyone’s interest (the sane ones at least), to think about compensation and relocation. Or reverse incentives like if you stay Lynas will create an education fund (for BSc (Chemistry)? I think that would have some actual impact on the mentality of folks who actually work IN the plant. LOL!
In any case, Wong Tack has apologized for the arson threat. I think he got his warning letter from his masters.
Dear i hate n’sync,
I agree with most of what you have said but have a look at my reply to:
Mahesvaran who asked: ” I AM CONFUSED WHY ONLY CHINESE ANTI-LYNAS WHEN OTHERS SO QUIET, WEIRD?”
Comment:
Yes, why only the Malaysian Chinese and no other racial groups are involved in this comical anti-lynas debacle.
At present, about 95% of these rare earths are mined and refined in China.
If you look at all the foreign blogs and press, you will see that most of the commentators are saying that CHINA IS THE HIDDEN CULPRIT BEHIND ALL THIS NONSENSE !
You cannot blame the foreigners for doing so as:
PRACTICALLY ALL ANTI-LYNAS NINCOMPOOPS ARE CHINESE
PRACTICALLY ALL NON-CHINESE ARE PRO-LYNAS,
SO THE LOGICAL CONCLUSION ?
CHINA IS THE ULTIMATE CULPRIT ! ! !
And this has triggered a lot of ill will, animosity, hatred and disgust for what was perceived as “CHINA’S DIRTY TRICKS AND MANIPULATIONS.’
However, this is not the real truth.
Quote Anti-Lynas Jade Lee: “It may enlighten some readers here, if you are open minded enough to listen and to learn the truth,
IT WAS A FEW CHURCH LEADERS IN KUANTAN
who have first started to discuss the Lynas issue and to raise awareness of their congregation to oppose this project.” Unquote.
So what really happens is that a few of the innocent church leaders in Kuantan who are always concerned about the sufferings of others, suddenly realised that a huge REE plant is being built nearby.
Unfortunately at about the same time, the Fukushima disaster occurred.
And to their horror, they found that the raw material to be used in the Lynas plant was “radioactive” and with only a primitive knowledge of radiation, these concerned church leaders were flabbergasted and as Jade Lee said instigated their congregation to oppose this project.”
Presumably, these leaders do have only a rudimentary knowledge of economics and must have been very suspicious of why Australia would want to send the ore all the way to Malaysia for processing and falsely believing that Australia must be truly terrified about the refining process with all its “dangerous, radioactive waste.”
Once the madness started, a few of the local Chinese Newspapers, picked up the story and amplified the fear by persistently reporting on every word that the anti-lynas say, even though they are something that is obviously absurd.. like the Lynas plant is a nuclear plant and is going to explode and spread radioactivity all over the country.
These Chinese Newspapers which are traditionally anti-establishment, may also be partly irritated by Lynas brag that Lynas is going to end the monopoly of China on the Rare Earth market by producing almost a third of the present world production.
Then, as usual, the local politicians saw the fantastic opportunity to accuse the establishment of allowing such a dangerous plant to be established in Kuantan.
Because the general election is coming soon, they could not let this golden opportunity to pass by, and so jump right into the fray.
With their massive financial backing, the opposition, together with some naive unthinking minds started the anti-lynas campaign
Since the local politician is a psychologist, this politician must be well versed in the techniques of convincing the population into believing something that is absolutely ridiculous.
It looks like they are using the same brainwashing techniques used by that devious demonic master brainwasher before and during the 2nd World War i.e. Hitler.
Brainwashing techniques are based on the consistently persistent repetition of propaganda focused on just a few issues and continuously repeated in a slightly different way.
According to Adolf Hitler in- “War Propaganda”, in volume 1, chapter 6 of Mein Kampf (1925)
“But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success.” Unquote.
One Chinese Newspaper in particular, has been reporting on a daily basis of everything that these anti-lynas folks were saying or doing, no matter how stupid it is, like making fake coffins and doing silly walks.
This propaganda in the Chinese media is, like what is mentioned in Hitler’s Mein Kampf, is focused, constant, continuous and persistent.
There are 4 stages in this Hitler type of brainwashing procedure:
1. DISSEMINATION OF PROPAGANDA (usually well camouflaged lies)
2. HARASSMENT OF NON-BELIEVERS
3. INTIMIDATION OF INCORRIGIBLE DISSIDENTS and
4. ELIMINATION OF THE OBSTINATE RECALCITRANTS
THE ANTI LYNAS RED GUARDS HAVE DEPLOYED AN ARMY OF CYBER HARASSERS AND CYBER THUGS IN ALL THE MALAYSIAN BLOGS AND OTHER NEWS MEDIA TO INTIMIDATE ANYONE WHO OPPOSE THEM AND THEY ARE VERY SUCCESSFUL SO FAR.
VERY FEW PEOPLE DARE TO SPEAK UP, AND ALL THOSE WHO DARE TO DO SO ARE BEING INTIMIDATED, HARASSED AND BOYCOTTED BY THE BRAINWASHED ZOMBIES.
THE MAIN AIM OF THESE CYBER THUGS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GETTING RID OF LYNAS, OR ANYTHING TO DO WITH HELPING CHINA MAINTAIN THEIR GRIP ON THE REE MARKET, BUT THEY ARE USING THIS GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY TO BRAINWASH AND INSTILL HATRED FOR THE PRESENT GOVERNMENT, THUS ENABLING THEM TO WIN THE COMING GENERAL ELECTION.
At present they have been hindered by a tiny group of dissidents in Kuantan and they are now blocked at stage 3.
As a result of the Chinese media, most of the Chinese were well brainwashed into believing the absolute crap that these anti-lynas people were propagating and disseminating.
Fortunately, all the other racial groups do not read Chinese and the propaganda do not affect them and as a result, the Malays and Indians are unaffected.
QUOTE Anti-Lynas Jade Lee: “When a few so claimed rare earth scientists came to Kuantan to speak about the safe rare earth processing, they were criticised and BOOED OUT OF TOWN IN SHAME” Unquote.
THE THREE RARE EARTH SPECIALISTS, RECOMMENDED BY THE CCP OF CHINA, WHO WERE INVITED BY A FEW OF THE LOCAL ASSOCIATIONS TO ENLIGHTEN THE PEOPLE OF KUANTAN WERE RUDELY AND CRUDELY HARASSED BY THE ANTILYNAS LEADER AND HIS RED GUARDS IN A SHAMELESS AND DESPICABLE WAY.
THESE INNOCENT FOREIGN GUESTS WERE BEING BOOED, SHOUTED AT, JEERED, MOCKED, CRITICIZED, TERRORIZED AND DEGRADED BY THESE
DESPICABLE, UNCOUTH COMMON HARASSERS WHO UNWITTINGLY DISPLAYED THEIR ABSOLUTE STUPIDITY FOR ALL TO SEE.
THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOUR BRINGS SHAME TO ALL MALAYSIANS AND SHOULD BE STRONGLY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY CONDEMNED.
THESE THREE POOR OLD CHINESE SCIENTISTS, TWO OF WHOM WERE IN THEIR 70’S, WITH YEARS OF VALUABLE EXPERIENCE, WERE FLABBERGASTED BY SUCH STUPID, CHILDISH, DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR.
THE USE OF SUCH THUGGERY UNEQUIVOCALLY CATEGORIZES THE USERS INTO THE LOWEST RUNG OF SOCIETY AND REFLECTS BADLY ON THEIR CHARACTER, INTELLIGENCE AND UPBRINGING !
BECAUSE OF THEIR BULLYING TACTIC, VERY FEW PEOPLE DARE TO SPEAK UP, AND ALL THOSE WHO DARE TO DO SO ARE BEING INTIMIDATED, HARASSED AND BOYCOTTED BY THESE ZOMBIES
Dr Looi
http://kickdefella.net/2012/04/17/lynas-negligible-radiation-but-only-toxic-chemical-waste/#more-5242
DOES THE VERY LOW LEVEL RADIATION FROM THORIUM-232 INDUCE EVOLUTIONARY PRESSURES ON THE POPULATION IN PLACES LIKE RAMSAR ?
Quote Nuclear Scientist affiliated with CERN: “The writer has forgotten the glaring fact that those inhabitants …in these locations have gone through generations of adaptations “. Unquote
REPLY:
This I feel is a gross simplification of the situation. As you should know for a useful mutation to take place under a selective pressure like radiation we need the presence of millions upon millions of reproductive events.
Those individuals without this useful mutation must be selectively eliminated through death or inability to reproduce efficiently.
Deaths and infertility have not been a known side effect of the slow, low level radiation as seen in Ramsar where the average radiation, though higher than other places, is still way below the acute lethal level. The average radiation level is only 10 mSv per year, though in some areas it may be as high as 260 mSv/yr.
Humans are not like bacteria or viruses where millions or even billions of individual organisms are involved and where there is a generation change within about 20 minutes or so.
In Ramsar, for instance the population in 2006 is only 31,000.
In terms of useful mutation that can be transmitted to the whole population to materialise, the chance of such a mutation must be incredibly small for such a genetically tiny non-isolated population.
Those 31,000 people over the years must have moved freely to and from other parts of Iran.
For a tiny population and where the reproductive cycle is in terms of 20 years or so the number of generations must run into thousands or even more.
Moreover, Ramsar is not an isolated island, but rather part of an easily accessible area of Iran where there are frequent movement of people and genetic material.
As such, for that one incredible rare mutation providing resistance to radiation to be transmitted to whole non-static population is near impossible, especially when that one mutant needs to impregnate and transmit this useful gene to a whole non-static population. He must be a real SUPERMAN!
The example of radiation accident at Chernobyl where 30 people lost their lives as a result of acute radiation syndrome is a rather poor example to explain the development of genetically transmitted radiation tolerance.
The exposure was very acute and at very high doses, at levels of over 100 mSv in a very short time. These are highly lethal doses and as such should obviously cause a certain number of deaths, just like any other toxin or chemical where not all that are exposed will die and as such we have such a statistical value called LD50.
According to UNSCEAR apart from increased thyroid cancers, there is no evidence of a major public health impact attributable to radiation exposure 20 years after the accident. This includes all the “liquidators” (clean-up workers) in the Chernobyl disaster.
Although I must admit that the genetic makeup has a big influence on the severity of the damage, there are many other factors that needs to be considered like the actual dose of radiation, how acute was the dose delivered, the organs involved, the amount of various types of existing chemicals (like iodine) present in the body, the size of the person, the existing health condition etc.
It is tantamount to saying that if a certain number of people are given 150 tablets of panadol at 30 tablets per day for five days, a certain number of them will die from liver failure. The genetically tolerant patients will be “selected” by this selection pressure to pass the genes to the now panadol resistant population. This may be a fair argument.
However, if a similar group of people were given 150 tablets of panadol at only 5 tablets per day in divided doses, this is no longer a form of selection pressure as the dosage though high is well below the danger threshold and will not cause any death from liver failure.
The average dose of radiation received by people in Ramsar is about 10 milisievert/year, though in some cases can reach a level in excess of 260 milisievert/year.
This radiation level of 10 mSv/year is like taking 150 tablets of panadol at 5 tablets per day in divided doses. At this low level it is not a significant evolutional selection pressure as it is way below a level which can cause rapid evolutional changes.
The scientist also claimed that the radiation is cumulative and as such do exert a selective pressure on the population of e.g. Ramsar.
However, this scientist do not realise that if it is cumulative in nature, it therefore does not kill the people within a short period.
What this suggest is that, if that is true, it will only cause death from cancer 10 to 30 years later WELL AFTER THE REPRODUCTIVE AGE OF THE PEOPLE AND AS SUCH WILL NOT HAVE ANY ILL EFFECT ON THE SURVIVAL OF THE POPULATION AS A WHOLE i.e. the moderately high level of radiation is not an evolutional selective pressure on the population.
A very good example of suspected evolutionary changes to the population from carcinogens is the effect of the Class 1 Carcinogen “SUNLIGHT”.
It has long been known that people living in sunlight deficient countries like those in Europe have very light coloured skin and it was postulated that the ultra-violet (UV) light in the tropical regions causes skin cancers and as such selectively eliminated the light coloured skin people and gives the evolutionary advantage to the dark skin counterparts.
This is not really true since the people developed and die from the skin cancers when they are long past their reproductive age.
It is now known that light skinned folks are disadvantaged in the sunny tropics because the UV light from the sun destroys the FOLIC ACD in the body and this effect takes place throughout the lifespan of the population and exerts an evolutionary pressure in favour of dark skin people in the tropic.
THE CATCH PHRASE IS “PRE, INTRA OR POST REPRODUCTIVE AGE” WHEN THE DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS OF THE EVOLUTIONARY PRESSURE OCCURS.
And on the other hand the dark skin people were disadvantaged in the sunlight deficient north because of the lack of sunlight induced Vitamin D from their skin AND THIS DISADVANTAGE IS PRESENT THROUGHOUT THE LIFESPAN OF THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE.
EVEN UNSCEAR ADMITS THAT THEY WERE WRONG TO IMPLY THAT THERE IS NO SAFE LEVEL OF RADIATION !
There IS a safe level and that is,
RADIATION DOSES LESS THAN ABOUT 10 rem (100 mSv ) per year ARE SAFE.
(Note: 100 mSv = 5,OO0,000 % Lynas worst case scenario)
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Have a look at this article recommended by Nick Tsurikov, the International Radiation Safety Expert and Co-author of the IAEA Radiation Safety Report.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2013/01/11/like-weve-been-saying-radiation-is-not-a-big-deal/
Excerpt of Article in Forbes:
“UNSCEAR (THE UNITED NATIONS SCENTIFIC COMMITTEE ON THE EFFECTS OF ATOMIC RADIATION) HAS FINALLY ADMITTED THAT WE CAN’T USE THE LNT HYPOTHESIS TO PREDICT CANCER FROM LOW DOSES OF RADIATION.”
Dato’ Dr Looi Hoong Wah.
Years down the road, we shall see if there was a repeat of the Bukit Merah incident like in the 80s…
I wonder what is Lynas waste disposal plan? Hopefully they’ve got something better than Mitsubishi RE
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THE LINK BEWEEN CONGENITAL DEFECTS LIKE CEREBRAL PALSY AND RADIATION IN BUKIT MERAH ARE MISINFORMATIONS CREATED BY THE ANTI-LYNAS FOLKS !
In a unique study by scientists at the John Hopkins University, published in 1988 by American Journal of Epidemiology, researchers investigated the association of parental occupational exposure to low-level external whole-body penetrating ionizing radiation and risk of congenital malformations in their offspring.
THE UNIQUE FEATURE OF THIS STUDY WAS THE LINKING OF QUANTITATIVE INDIVIDUAL MEASUREMENTS OF EXTERNAL WHOLE-BODY PENETRATION IONIZING RADIATION EXPOSURE OF EMPLOYEES AT HE HANDFORD SITE IN WASHINGTON STATE, USING PERSONAL DOSIMETERS AND THE DISEASE OUTCOME i.e. CONGENITAL MALFORMATIONS.
The study population included 672 malformation cases and 977 matched controls from births occurring from 1957 through 1980.
Twelve specific malformation types were analyzed for evidence of association with employment of the parents at Hanford and with occupational exposure to ionizing radiation.
Two defects, congenital dislocation of the hip and tracheoesophageal fistula, showed statistically significant associations with employment of the parents at Hanford, but not with parental radiation exposure.
Neural tube defects like spina bifida showed a slightly significant association with parental preconception exposure, but the number of cases is too small to be conclusive of a definite co-relation.
Eleven other defects, INCLUDING DOWN SYNDROME AND CEREBRAL PALSY showed no evidence of such an association.
When all malformations were analyzed as a group, there was no evidence of an association with employment of the parents at Hanford.
Given the number of statistical tests conducted, some or all of the observed positive correlations are likely to represent false positive findings.
In view of strong contradictory evidence in this well conducted study and the fact that there is NO CONGENITAL DEFECTS DEMONSTRATED IN STUDIES ON THE ATOMIC BOMB SURVIVORS IN HIRAOSHIMA AND NAGASAKI, it is unlikely that the low dose radiation can cause congenital defects.
After analysing thousands of well conducted studies, even UNSCEAR has now admitted THAT THEY WERE WRONG TO IMPLY THAT THERE IS NO SAFE LEVEL OF RADIATION !
There IS a safe level and that is,
RADIATION DOSES LESS THAN ABOUT 10 rem (100 mSv ) per year ARE SAFE.
(Note: 100 mSv = 5,OO0,000 % Lynas worst case scenario)
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Have a look at this article recommended by Nick Tsurikov, the International Radiation Safety Expert and Co-author of the IAEA Radiation Safety Report.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2013/01/11/like-weve-been-saying-radiation-is-not-a-big-deal/
Excerpts of Article in Forbes:
“UNSCEAR (THE UNITED NATIONS SCENTIFIC COMMITTEE ON THE EFFECTS OF ATOMIC RADIATION) HAS FINALLY ADMITTED THAT WE CAN’T USE THE LNT HYPOTHESIS TO PREDICT CANCER FROM LOW DOSES OF RADIATION.”
FAMM, MB., ChB(Manchester), MRCS(England), MRCP(UK) MRCP(London)
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ACTUALLY LYNAS DO NOT PRODUCE ANY WASTE BUT ONLY RECYCLABLE RESIDUES AND WATER TREATED TO A PURITY LEVEL THAT CAN BE DISCHARGED INTO ANY RIVER.
A “waste” is by definition something that is unwanted and needs to be removed as a rubbish.
The residue from the Lynas operation is not unwanted for it can be easily converted into the 3 types of useful, profitable gypsum products.
The operation of the plant will result in the generation of three major residue streams, namely the
1. WLP .. Water Leach Purification Residue (WLP) from the cracking and separation process,
2. FGD .. the Flue Gas Desulphurisation Residue (FGD) from the waste gas treatment system (scrubber) and the
3. NUF .. Neutralisation Underflow Solids from the wastewater treatment process (NUF).
ORE FOR LYNAS PLANT ~ 1,600 ppm (parts per million)
TWO MOST VOLUMINOUS LYNAS “WASTE” = 12 ppm
3rd RESIDUE STREAM = 1,500 ppm of Thorium
AVERAGE MALAYSIAN SOIL = 20 ppm OF THORIUM
The first two are classified as non-radioactive as its radioactivity is only half that of Malaysian soil and is much much less radioactive than the SAND THAT YOUR CHILDREN PLAY WITH in our beaches.
Lynas will recycle them as synthetic gypsum for plaster board, magnesium rich synthetic gypsum as fertilizer and synthetic aggregate as clinker for road and other construction projects.
Gypsum is nothing more than just hydrated Calcium Sulphate (CaSO4.2(H2O) and comes probably from the neutralization of SO2 and Sulphuric acid vapour by our own Limestone (CaCO3) or Calcium Oxide in the scrubber.
The 3 types of Gypsum products are:
1. Iron Phospho Gypsum from the WLP with a very low NORM and radioactivity and after dilution according to international standard, can be used as clinker for road and in the construction industry.
2. Synthetic Gypsum with a radioactivity only 1/2 of Malaysian Soil.
3. Magnesium Rich Gypsum also with a radioactivity only 1/2 of Malaysian Soil and is a valuable fertilizer.
SO THE MAJOR PART OF THE RECYCLED RESIDUE PRODUCT ACTUALLY CONSISTS OF THE CALCIUM, SULPHATE AND WATER WHICH WERE BORN AND BRED IN MALAYSIA FOR BILLIONS OF YEARS.
THE MAJOR PART OF THE SO-CALLED RECYCLED “WASTE” IS ACTUALLY NATIVE TO MALAYSIA AND IN FACT HAS MORE RIGHT TO REMAIN IN MALAYSIA THAN THE ANTI-LYNAS NINCOMPOOPS !
The global market for synthetic gypsum is approximately 150 million tonnes per annum.
At the current rates of production, supplies of synthetic gypsum co-products are beginning to outstrip natural gypsum, thus providing valuable new alternative materials and preserving the planet’s natural resources.
WATER MANAGEMENT AT LYNAS PLANT
1) All process wastewater from the LAMP will undergo physico-chemical and biological treatment onsite prior to discharge.
The concentration of any residual chemical from the process (organic and inorganic) which is still remaining in the treated effluent will be monitored and assessed using the Chemical Oxygen Demand (COD) parameter.
COD is defined as a measure of the oxygen-consuming capacity of inorganic and organic matter present in wastewater.
The use of COD as an indicator for both organic and inorganic pollutants arising from industrial wastewater is an internationally accepted practice.
(2) Under the Fifth Schedule of the Environmental Quality (Industrial Effluent) Regulations 2009, permissible limits for mercury, lead, arsenic and, other hazardous metals such as cadmium and chromium (trivalent and hexavalent) have been specified and enforced by the DOE.
Water quality data collected from the river (at 7 locations during the high and low tides) in 2008 indicate that mercury, lead and arsenic were not detected in the river water samples despite the fact that the river has been receiving discharges from the chemical and petrochemical industries operating within the Gebeng industrial area since the 1990s.
Sediment samples collected as part of the Lynas EIA baseline study indicate the absence of mercury and arsenic in all samples; and very low concentrations of lead.
The treated effluent from the LAMP will NOT contain cadmium, chromium (trivalent and hexavalent), mercury or arsenic.
Only lead will be present at 0.07 mg/l which is well below the Std. B limit of 0.5 mg/l.
(3) The water quality modeling approach employed in the Lynas EIA is consistent with the requirements of the DOE in Malaysia.
The modeling exercise considered the likely contribution of the Lynas discharge to the Balok River and, predicted the concentrations of key water quality parameters in the river under six scenarios representing both untreated and treated discharge.
(4) The water quality modeling carried out for the plant, which simulates the water quality of the Balok River upon receipt of the Lynas discharge, indicates that the impact of treated effluent alone on the river water quality is very low, and is likely to be diluted by a factor of 150 by the river water.
Although the COD within the river body at the point of the Lynas discharge is close to the Class III limits, the river BOD concentration is approximately only one-third of its standard value.
This suggests that the oxygen consumption due to the biological decay of organic material over the short term (5 days) will be relatively small.
COD is a measure of the total oxygen demand, but it does not give an indication of the rate at which the oxygen is consumed; BOD is comparatively a better indicator of this rate.
The bulk dilution analysis indicated that the treated Lynas effluent would only increase both COD and BOD concentrations in the river by relatively small amounts.
Dato’ Dr Looi Hoong Wah
FAMM, MB., ChB(Manchester), MRCS(England), MRCP(UK) MRCP(London)
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1. SAFETY OF THORIUM-232
It is safer and cleaner than uranium because its radioactivity is significantly lower:
Quote Richard Martin, famous journalist with extensive experience in Thorium
“A CHUNK OF THORIUM IS NO MORE HARMFUL THAN A BAR OF SOAP”.
You can safely hold metallic Thorium-232 in your hands as it is an alpha emitter and alpha particles cannot penetrate even a piece of paper.
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2. Thorium-232 is strongly adsorbed to clay. There is no natural way it can get into body. Even the plants and fruits do not contain any Thorium in places with high Thorium in soil.
The amount of Th-232 in the human body is tiny (estimated to be only 30 micrograms per body i.e. to get 30 gm of Th-232, you need 1 million bodies!
NICK TSURIKOV, INTERNATIONAL RADIATION SAFETY SPECIALIST
THORIUM IN “WASTE” IS INSOLUBLE AND CANNOT POISON ANY PLANTS, ANIMALS OR THE ENVIRONMENT – EVEN IN THEORY.
RADIATION FROM THE PLANT WILL BE UNDETECTABLE OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES (of the plant).”
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3. QUOTE NICK TSURIKOV, INTERNATIONAL RADIATION SAFETY EXPERT WHO IS THE CO-AUTHOR OF IAEA RADIATION SAFETY REPORT:
“On dust particles – THERE IS NO WAY WHATSOEVER FOR
DUSTPARTICLES OF AROUND 10 MICRONS TO GET INTO
THE LUNGS –
THE STUFF THAT GETS THERE IS 5 MICRONS OR LESS,..
The vast majority of the (Lynas) concentrate is either 10 MICRONS or above, SO THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY ISSUE HERE.”
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4. BECAUSE OF THE EXTREME LOW SPECIFIC ACTIVITY OF TH-232, THE AMOUNT OF DECAY PRODUCT IS MINUSCULE e.g.
Thorium-232 produced from the WLP per year is only about 95 tonnes and as such a 1 year accumulation of Th-232 produces only 0.5098 MICROGRAMS OF RADON-220/HR OR 0.00005172 ML (CC)/HR of Thoron gas at STP.
At secular equilibrium, the amount of daughter Radon-220 is only 167 femtograms per ton of Lynas WLP i.e.
0.000000000000167 grams.
THIS AMOUNT IS NOT ENOUGH TO TICKLE THE BACKSIDE OF A NEWBORN PIGMY BABY CATERPILLAR !
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5. THE longer the half-life of a substance, the less its radioactivity.
As an analogy, if it takes 14 billion years for half of a house to be burnt, there is no chance of anybody getting hurt. But if it takes only 14 minutes for half of the house to be burnt down, many will be injured or killed.
Thorium-232, which is found in the Lynas waste, has an incredibly long half-life of 14 billion years and as such is much less radioactive than the potassium-40 whose half-life is only 1.25 billion years
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6. LEAD-208 WHICH IS USED IN YOUR CAR BATTERIES HAVE AN EVEN LONGER HALF LIFE OF 19 MILLION BILLION YEARS AND AS SUCH IS REGARDED AS NON-RADIOACTIVE…i.e. it decays extremely slowly and therefore the radioactivity is incredible low!
So it’s silly and illogical to say that thorium long half life means that it is dangerous.. It means that is very only very weakly radioactive and can even be held in your hands!
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7. KEROSENE GAS MANTLES USED IN HAWKER’S LAMPS
THESE GAS MANTLES ARE MADE OF FABRIC SOAKED IN THORIUM-232 AND AFTER THE INITIAL “FIRING” BECOMES ALMOST PURE THORIUM DIOXIDE.
MILLIONS HAD HELD THESE “DANGEROUS, RADIOACTIVE” THORIUM GAS MANTLES IN THEIR HANDS.
REMEMBER THORIUM DIOXIDE HAS A SPECIFIC ACTIVITY OF 3,585 Bq/g ! THE “WASTE” FROM LYNAS IS ONLY 6 Bq/g.
WHY FRIGHTEN OF 6 Bq/g FROM WASTE AND NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE 3,585 Bq/g FROM THEIR KEROSENE LAMP ?
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8. THE ANNUAL DOSE RATE EXPOSURE
1. FROM MALAYSIAN CLAY BRICK HOUSE = 0.43 mSv/year
(215 x Lynas Worst Case Scenario)
2. SLEEPING IN WOODEN HOUSE = 0.20 mSv/yr
(100x Lynas worst case)
3. SLAG BRICK AND GRANITE HOUSE = up to 2.0 mSv/yr
(1,000x Lynas worst case)
SO TO ALL ANTI-LYNAS FOLKS, YOU SHOULD PITCH UP A TENT NEXT TO THE LYNAS PLANT AND SEND YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY TO LIVE NEXT TO LYNAS AS THIS IS HUNDREDS OF TIMES LESS RADIOACTIVE THAN LIVING IN YOUR PRESENT WOODEN OR BRICK HOUSES
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9.
1. WASTE FROM MALAYSIAN AMANG INDUSTRY > 100 Bq/g
2. WASTE “SCALE AND SLUDGE” IN OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY
________ LIKE IN PETRONAS = 1,000 Bq/g
3. and ___Lynas WLP only = 6 Bq/g !
SO WHY NO GREENIES PROTESTS AT THE MORE THAN 10 AMANG
( TIN TAILING ) PLANTS AND AT PETRONAS ?
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10 Nick Tsurikov, Radiation Safety Expert ” THE MAJORITY OF THIS LYNAS “WASTE” WILL HAVE ONLY HALF THE THORIUM THAN IN NORMAL MALAYSIAN SOIL.
Lynas residues are half as radioactive as the sand the kids all over Malaysia play in the kindergartens
If you do look through the Lynas RIA together with UN (not IAEA) reports –
you will clearly see that two most ‘voluminous’ residues from LAMP will have less than 12 parts per million of thorium –
and the average MALAYSIAN SOIL – 20 ppm OF THORIUM.
CONT.
11. IN MOST OF THE ADVANCED COUNTRIES LIKE THE USA, CANADA AND AUSTRALIA WHERE THERE ARE NO HALF BAKED SELF STYLED SCIENTISTS, ANY MATERIAL THAT HAS AN ACTIVITY OF LESS THAN 10 Bq/g is regarded as non-radioactive for transport and do not require any special permission.
LYNAS ORE = ONLY 6 Bq/g AND THEREFORE REQUIRES NO SPECIAL PERMISSION IN MOST OF THE DEVELOPED COUNTRIES.
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12. THE MOST BIOLOGICALLY DAMAGING FORMS OF GAMMA RAYS OCCUR IN THE GAMMA RAY WINDOW OF BETWEEN 3 MeV AND 10 MeV.
Those below 3.0 MeV are NOT very harmful. They have poor penetrating power and do not deposit much energy.
Those higher energy gamma rays of greater than 10 MeV are
NOT very harmful because the body is relatively transparent to them.
THE AVERAGE ENERGY OF THE MOST ABUNDANT EMISSION OF Th-232 IS ONLY 0.059 MeV.
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13. UNSCEAR ADMIT THAT THEY WERE WRONG TO IMPLY THAT THERE IS NO SAFE LEVEL OF RADIATION !
There IS a safe level !
UNSCEAR (THE UNITED NATIONS SCENTIFIC COMMITTEE ON THE EFFECTS OF ATOMIC RADIATION) HAS FINALLY ADMITTED THAT RADIATION DOSES LESS THAN ABOUT 10 rem (100 mSv ) per year ARE SAFE.
(Note: 100 mSv = 5,000,000 % Lynas worst case scenario)
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14. RADIATION EXPOSURE OF 100 mSv/yr IS SAFE: Prof WADE ALLISON
Nick Tsurikov, International Radiation Safety Expert:
“EXPERTS INCLUDING Professor WADE ALLISON OF OXFORD UNIVERSITY ARGUE THAT THE DOSE LIMIT CAN SAFELY BE RAISED TO 100 mSv, based on current health statistics.”
(100 mSv/yr = 50,000 times or 5,000,000% higher than Lynas worst case scenario)
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15. SLEEPING NEXT TO SOMEONE for 8 hrs/day
(e.g. your wife or husband) = 0.02 mSv (UNSCEAR)
(10x Lynas worst case)
SO DON’T SLEEP WITH YOUR WIFE OR HUSBAND since this is like sleeping next to 10 Lynas plants!
Dose in worst case scenario for Lynas plant = 0.002 mSv/yr
Malaysian Monazite Ore in Tin Tailings or Amang = 284 Bq/g or 69,608 ppm
Lynas ore and Lynas WLP “waste” ~ 6 Bq/g or < 1,600 ppm
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16. THE FINISHED PROCESSED RARE EARTH PRODUCT EMITS ONLY 0.156 mSv/yr ( A TARMAC ROAD EMITS 2.4 TO 2.6 mSv/yr ! ) – so a fraction of what people in everyday life naturally experience.
The radiation from a tarmac road comes from Thorium-232, Uranium-238, Potassium-40, Radium and other trace radionuclides in the Tar and the Granite stones.
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17. When the mother radionuclide has an extremely long half life and the daughters have very short half life, there is very little accumulation of the short half life daughters.
The concentration of the daughter radionuclides is negligible e.g. there is only 1 atom of Radium 224 for every 1.4 trillion atoms of Thorium-232 at equilibrium.
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18. As far as radon gas is concerned, it must be remembered that Radon-220 from the decay chain of Thorium-232 has a very short half life of only 55 seconds!
As such only a tiny amount of Radon-220 (a.k.a. Thoron) within a few centimetres of the surface of a huge pile of waste will be able to live long enough to escape from the pile and see the light of day!
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19. A lot of people have mistaken Radon-220 from Thorium-232 decay series with the more notorious Radon-222 which has a much longer half life of 3.8 days. Radon-222 comes from Uranium-238 decay series.
Because of its much longer half life, Radon-222 can and do accumulate in the cellars and poorly ventilated areas of domestic dwellings. Radon-222 is the gas that has been linked to lung cancers in especially non-smokers.
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20. AS STATED BY MORMAN FREDERICK MOORE, THE AUSTRALIAN MINISTER FOR MINES AND PETROLEUM, IF LYNAS HAVE CHOSEN TO OPERATE IN WESTERN AUSTRALIA, IT WOULD BE WELCOMED WITH OPEN ARMS !
1. Alkane has decided to build a multi-billion dollar rare earth plant in the outskirts of Sydney.
2. Arafura is building a huge Rare Earth Processing Plant costing over A$1 Billion in Whyalla in South Australia.
Dato' Dr Looi,
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HAVE A LOOK AT ALL THE VULGARITIES AND OBSCENITIES OOZING OUT OF THE ANTI-LYNAS RED GUARDS IN THIS LINK !
ALL THESE OBSCENITIES AND VULGARITIES DIRECTED TO ME FOR TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT LYNAS AND THE SCIENTIFIC FACTS TO DEBUNK THE LIES PROPAGATED AND DISEMINATED BY THEIR MASTER BRAINWASHERS !
PLEASE SEE ALL THE 182 COMMENTS…… 99% VULGARITIES.
CLICK “View Previous Comments” as well in the link.
Dato’ Dr Looi Hoong Wah
FAMM, MB., ChB(Manchester), MRCS(England), MRCP(UK), MRCP(London)
Dr,
The comments are terrible. They are indeed Red Guards taking us to Pol Pot’s Year Zero.
Even Dr M recently noted that these online thugs are no longer controllable.
The Chinese are fey (meaning “wild or crazy” behaviour, foreboding of disaster).
Dear Helen,
Thanks,
This Lynas debacle shows that evolution in humans has stopped and the brains of humans have not improved since the demonic Hitler brainwashed a whole nation into doing something crazy.
Warmest regards,
Dr Looi
I do feel for your situation, Doc.
I mean you’ve had decades in practice and a professional reputation that you have nurtured but in the blink of an eye, these science-deficient greenies leave a trail of toxic and “radioactive waste” through cyberspace linking your name to all kinds of slanderous and profane descriptions.
Their behaviour has become so predictable that we can easily anticipate how they will react on cue when provided the ‘right’ stimulus (or jerking their strings).
An earlier posting of mine on the mob and their reign of terror, ‘The revolution that devoured itself‘.
Cheers.
Quote: ” I dare you to look at the eyes of Bukit Merah victims and Gebeng people and tell them that everything is okay.” Unquote
Of course I would dare to look into their eyes ……….. and tell them that they are being made used of by very unscrupulous, irresponsible and despicable people who exploit their misfortune for DIRTY POLITICAL GAINS !
For God’s sake, the ultra-modern Lynas Rare Earth Chemical plant is not Bukit Merah.
THESE DEMORALIZED, DESPERATE, DEBUNKED AND INTELLECTUALLY DESTITUTE ANTI-LYNAS DEMONS are still DESPERATELY AND REPEATEDLY PARROTING THE MISLEADING MISINFORMATION AND ASKING NONSENSICAL QUESTIONS THAT THEIR DEVIOUS BRAINY BRAINWASHER’S DEMONIC BRAIN HAS PERMANENTLY AND IRREVOCABLY INGRAINED INTO THEIR BRAINLESS BRAINWASHED BRAINS.
I AM REALLY NAUSEATED AND SAD THAT THERE ARE
HUMANS OR RATHER JUST OVERZEALOUS ZOMBIES IN THIS WORLD WHO WOULD RUN DOWN THEIR OWN COUNTRY BY CREATING A SCAPEGOAT IN AN ULTRA-MODERN CHEMICAL PLANT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF ENABLING THEIR MASTER BRAINWASHER TO GAIN A FEW EXTRA FILTHY VOTES IN THE COMING GENERAL ELECTION.
DO THEY CARE 2 HOOTS ABOUT THE 1,750 PEOPLE DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY EMPLOYED BY LYNAS AND WHOSE SALARIES OR INCOME ARE NEEDED TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLES FOR THEIR FAMILIES TO SURVIVE?
DO THEY CARE WHETHER THESE POOR HARD WORKING INNOCENT FELLOW HUMANS HAVE A JOB AND A HOME AND FOOD FOR THEIR CHILDREN ?
ALL THEY THINK ABOUT IS TO DESTROY LYNAS AND STOP THE CONSTRUCTION ANY NEW PROJECTS WHICH PROVIDE JOBS, SHELTER, FOOD AND A DECENT LIFE FOR THE POOR PEOPLE……….WHILE THEY THEMSELVES HAVE A COZY JOB, SHELTER AND PLENTY OF FOOD FOR THEIR CHILDREN.
IF THESE BRAINWASHED ZOMBIES ARE SO CARING, WHY DON’T THEY PROVIDE THE JOBS AND PROVIDE THE FOOD AND SHELTER FOR THE POOR PEOPLE INSTEAD OF JUST EMPTY TALK !
In Bukit Merah, the radiation comes from Thorium and Uranium which are our own and has been in Malaysia for billions of years.
Although the radiation level is well over 37 times that of the Lynas waste, there is no definite well controlled scientific proof that the cases of leukaemia and birth defects are caused by radiation from the waste.
Study by scientists at John Hopkins University published in 1988 by American Journal of Epidemiology, concluded that, their study plus the fact that there is NO CONGENITAL DEFECTS DEMONSTRATED IN STUDIES ON THE ATOMIC BOMB SURVIVORS IN HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI, suggests that
LOW DOSE RADIATION CANNOT CAUSE CONGENITAL DEFECTS.
Even UNSCEAR has now admitted THAT RADIATION DOSES of LESS THAN ABOUT 10 rem (100 mSv ) per year ARE SAFE.
(Note: 100 mSv = 5,000,000 % Lynas worst case scenario)
COMPARISON OF RADIOACTIVITY IN Bq (Specific activity.. number of atoms decaying in 1second)
Pure Thorium-232 = 4,080 Bq/gm
Pure Potassium-40 = 254,000 Bq/gm
Naturally Occurring Potassium (3 different isotopes) in our body and food = 31.825 Bq/gm
Artificially created Plutonium-238 = 634,000,000,000 Bq/gm (1/2 life=87.7 years)
Monazite ore from Amang or Tin Tailings in Malaysia = 284 Bq/gm
Lynas Rare Earth Waste = 6 Bq/gm
Public dose limits for exposure from uranium mining or nuclear plants are usually set at 1 mSv per year above background.
According to the National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurement (NCRP) and its international counterpart, the International Commission on Radiological Protection (ICRP). Both of these organizations offer recommendations for the maximum permissible dose (MPD) of radiation.
General Public annual MPD by both NCRP and ICRP is 1 mSv.
For Radiation Workers, the annual MPD is 50 mSv (NCRP) and 20 mSv (ICRP), with a cumulative MPD of 10 mSv x Age.
MPD during pregnancy is 5 mSv (NCRP) and 2 mSv (ICRP).
However, experts including Professor Wade Allison of Oxford University argue that the dose limit can safely be raised to 100 millisieverts, based on current health statistics.
Compare this with the dose of 0.002 millisieverts/year of exposure for people living within 1 km of the Lynas plant in the worst case scenario (estimated by Lynas).
I have seen lots of cases of leukaemia and other types of cancer as well as birth defects over the last 40 years or so and unfortunately we do not have Lynas around at that time to use as a scapegoat.
Unscrupulous people have been using videos and pictures of patients with congenital abnormalities and other illnesses to instil fear into the population. There is absolutely no scientific proof that these cases are caused by radiation.
Only people with ulterior motives would use pictures and videos of these unfortunate patients whose disorders have nothing to do with radiation to score political points!
In the south of the state of Kerala in India the soil contains as much as 4,000 ppm (parts of Thorium per million). Studies have shown that there is little or no accumulation of Thorium-232 in the inhabitants.
The Lynas waste contains only 1,650 ppm.
It has been estimated that in the worst case scenario, the radiation risk within a 1 km radius from the Lynas plant is only 0.002 mSv/yr.
In Ramsar, Iran, the naturally occurring radiation
is extremely high at 260 mSv/yr.
This is 13,000,000% higher than the expected worse case scenario in Kuantan.
And the people in Ramsar, Iran has been found to be healthier and live longer than the rest of the Iranians! There is also no increase in the number of cancer cases.
Remember the Tin slag from the Eastern Smelting and Straits Trading in Penang ? These, which contain the tantalum and monazite ore, and the monazite ore can be more than 3,700 % more radioactive than the Lynas waste.
And these radioactive tin slag were used to fill up the old Penang Stadium and the roads in Penang. A lot of these has already been stolen and sold off at a huge profit, but a lot still remains in the roads in Butterworth and Penang island.
The people in Penang have not developed Cancer so far as a result of these slag!
The anti-Lynas people who are so paranoid about imported radiation from Australia should have a look at the paper published in the Malaysian Journal of Analytical Sciences which showed that the level of radiation in areas where tin was mined. The waste or amang contains high levels of Monazite and other minerals which are highly radioactive.
All these old tin mine areas are well populated. Note even Kuala Lumpur is also an ex-tin mining area.
A study was done University Technology MARA in Kg Gajah in Perak :
Quote: ” The level of surface dose varies from one location to another, but there is a critical area which has a significantly high surface dose approaching 30 microSv/hr ” Unquote
30 microSv/hr is about 260 mSv/year or about the same level as the highest recorded area in Ramsar!.
Even ordinary Sand (crystalline silica, SiO2) is classified as a group 1 Carcinogen (a confirmed cancer causing agent), but as you know, we do not expect a huge number of people in living in the deserts or along the seashores to die from silica induced lung cancer.
The lung cancer risk occurs only when fine sand (silica) is inhaled by miners for a prolonged period in the quarries and mines i.e. silica is not a carcinogen when ingested and of course not when injected for nobody would allow you to inject sand into their veins.
Thorium-232 is a very weakly radioactive substance and produces only alpha particles which cannot even penetrate a thin piece of paper.
All you have to do is to wrap it up in a piece of newspaper and it is for all intents and purposes, non-radioactive !
” Thorium-232 is considered to be a carcinogen only IF ADMINISTERED INTRAVENOUSLY AS A COLLOIDAL DISPERSION OF THORIUM-232 DIOXIDE.”
It is not considered to be a cancer causing substance if taken orally or inhaled according to the International Agency for Research on Cancer IARC, just like silica (sand) which is not carcinogenic if ingested.
Dato’ Dr Looi
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MORE ON THORIUM-232 SAFETY
Since the average absorbed Beta energy of K-40 decay is 499 keV and the average absorbed Gamma energy is 156 keV,
THE INTERNAL DOSAGE from K-40 ~ 0.24 mSv/yr:
(120x Lynas worst case scenario)
So why complain about radiation from Lynas when there is the equivalent of 120 Lynas plants producing radiation already inside your body in the form of Potassium-40 !
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There is no natural way for Metallic Thorium or insoluble Thorium compounds or even soluble salts when adsorbed with clay, to enter the body in any significant amount and as Nick Tsurikov, International Radiation Safety Expert and Co-author of IAEA Radiation Safety Report says
“THORIUM IN ‘WASTE’ IS INSOLUBLE AND CANNOT POISON ANY PLANTS, ANIMALS OR THE ENVIRONMENT – EVEN IN THEORY.” Unquote.
There has not been a single death or injury that has been definitely and conclusively proven beyond any scientific doubt from the accidental inhalation or ingestion of Thorium-232 !
Compare this with death caused by Water i.e. from drowning… 388,000 drowning deaths in 2004 alone (WHO).
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Metallic Thorium or it’s insoluble compounds are chemically innocuous and inert especially when adsorbed by clay.
Soluble form in the absence of clay absorption = 0.02 to 0.05%.
With clay, much much less.
Studies show that a small number out of the 4 million patients who were given this massive dose of 1 or 2 vials (containing 5.58g to 11.7g of thorium) of Thorotrast, developed cancer especially of the liver 20 to 30 years later in their old age.
Even if we ignore the incredibly strong adsorption to clay, in order to get 5.58g of thorium-232 (equivalent to 1 vial of Thorotrast), we have to swallow an incredible 17,000kg or 17 tonnes of Lynas waste!
Even with 11.7 g of Th-232 given parenterally, no acute toxicity noted.
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Thorium-232 is not a Carcinogen (cancer causing agent) if Inhaled or Ingested according to the International Agency for Research on Cancer IARC.
Thorium-232 is considered to be a carcinogen only IF ADMINISTERED INTRAVENOUSLY AS A COLLOIDAL DISPERSION OF THORIUM-232 DIOXIDE.
Even this may not be true as the carcinogenic effects of the massive dose of Xray from those antique Xray machines (about 1,000 mSv per fluoroscopy and some of the 4 million patients may have had more than one fluoroscopy done in their lifetime) was not taken in consideration when UNSCEAR came to the conclusion that Th-232 given parenterally is a carcinogen.
Dato’ Dr Looi Hoong Wah.
FAMM, MB., ChB(Manchester), MRCS(England), MRCP(UK), MRCP(London).
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Quote Ariel: “However much scientific data cannot erase the painful memories of the Bukit Merah incident.” Unquote
COMMENT:
Pictures of a children with cerebral palsy, mental retardation as well as many other pictures with congenital defects and leukaemia from the Bukit Merah area has been used repeatedly to instil fear into the unsuspecting naive population of Malaysia in a very sick attempt to link Lynas to these terrible illnesses.
THE LINK BEWEEN CONGENITAL DEFECTS, CEREBRAL PALSY AND RADIATION IN BUKIT MERAH ARE MISINFORMATIONS MALICIOUSLY CREATED BY THE ANTI-LYNAS FOLKS !
In a unique study by scientists at the John Hopkins University, published in 1988 by American Journal of Epidemiology, researchers investigated the association of parental occupational exposure to low-level external whole-body penetrating ionizing radiation and risk of congenital malformations in their offspring.
THE UNIQUE FEATURE OF THIS STUDY WAS THE LINKING OF QUANTITATIVE INDIVIDUAL MEASUREMENTS OF EXTERNAL WHOLE-BODY PENETRATING IONIZING RADIATION EXPOSURE OF EMPLOYEES AT THE HANDFORD SITE IN WASHINGTON STATE, USING PERSONAL DOSIMETERS AND THE DISEASE OUTCOME i.e. CONGENITAL MALFORMATIONS.
The study population included 672 malformation cases and 977 matched controls from births occurring from 1957 through 1980.
Twelve specific malformation types were analyzed for evidence of association with employment of the parents at Hanford and with occupational exposure to ionizing radiation.
Two defects, congenital dislocation of the hip and tracheoesophageal fistula, showed statistically significant associations with employment of the parents at Hanford, BUT NOT WITH PARENTAL RADIATION EXPOSURE.
Neural tube defects like spina bifida showed a slightly significant association with parental preconception exposure, but the number of cases is too small to be conclusive of a definite co-relation.
Eleven other defects, INCLUDING DOWN SYNDROME AND CEREBRAL PALSY showed no evidence of such an association.
When all malformations were analyzed as a group, there was no evidence of an association with employment of the parents at Hanford.
Given the number of statistical tests conducted, some or all of the observed positive correlations are likely to represent false positive findings.
In view of strong contradictory evidence in this well conducted study and the fact that there is NO CONGENITAL DEFECTS DEMONSTRATED IN STUDIES ON THE ATOMIC BOMB SURVIVORS IN HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI,
THE CONCLUSION IS THAT “IT IS UNLIKELY THAT LOW DOSE RADIATION CAN CAUSE CONGENITAL DEFECTS.”
After analysing thousands of well conducted studies, even UNSCEAR has now admitted THAT THEY WERE WRONG TO IMPLY THAT THERE IS NO SAFE LEVEL OF RADIATION !
There IS a safe level and that is,
RADIATION DOSES LESS THAN ABOUT 10 rem (100 mSv ) per year ARE SAFE.
(Note: 100 mSv = 5,OO0,000 % Lynas worst case scenario)
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Have a look at this article recommended by Nick Tsurikov, the International Radiation Safety Expert and Co-author of the IAEA Radiation Safety Report.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2013/01/11/like-weve-been-saying-radiation-is-not-a-big-deal/
Excerpts of Article in Forbes:
“UNSCEAR (THE UNITED NATIONS SCENTIFIC COMMITTEE ON THE EFFECTS OF ATOMIC RADIATION) HAS FINALLY ADMITTED THAT WE CAN’T USE THE LNT HYPOTHESIS TO PREDICT CANCER FROM LOW DOSES OF RADIATION.”
Dato’ Dr Looi Hoong Wah.
FAMM, MB., ChB(Manchester), MRCS(England), MRCP(UK), MRCP(London).
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Quote The Hon. Dr Jeyakumar Deveraj dated 21.02.13: “. Let’s calculate the amount of radioactivity that is going to be introduced into the country…….. 64,000 tons of waste will be emitting 6.4 x 64 x 109 radioactive rays each second. Multiply that by 60sec x 60min x 24hr x 365days and you will get a measure of the amount of radiation we will be introducing into our country for the year – 12.9bn RADIOACTIVE EMISSIONS EACH YEAR ..”. Unquote.
COMMENT:
12.9 BILLION RADIOACTIVE EMISSIONS EACH YEAR sounds like a very dangerous amount, but counting the number of Bq per year is meaningless.
For instance, the human body has 4,400 Bq from Potassium-40 and another 3,000 Bq from Carbon-14 giving a total of 7,400 Bq. which will be =
233.37 BILLION RADIOACTIVE EMISSIONS per person EACH YEAR or 6,534 MILLION BILLION for the 28 million people in Malaysia.
(Note: Dr Jeyakumar is wrong in his calculation as he has forgotten the X10^9 in his equation).
SO IF THE GOOD HON. DR JEYAKUMAR HIMSELF PRODUCES 233.37 BILLION RADIOACTIVE EMISSIONS EACH YEAR,
WHAT’S ALL THE FUSS ABOUT LYNAS PRODUCING ONLY 12.9 BILLION (as calculated by Dr Jeyakumar) RADIOACTIVE EMISSIONS EACH YEAR !
What’s more important is what the biological effect of the radionuclide has on the human body.
Since the average absorbed Beta energy of K-40 decay is 499 keV and the average absorbed Gamma energy is 156 keV,
THE INTERNAL DOSAGE from K-40 ~ 0.24 mSv/yr:
(120x Lynas worst case scenario)
The human body is subjected to an internal dose of ~ 0.4 mSv from Potassium-40, Carbon-14 and other trace radionuclides and as such
Sleeping next to someone (i.e. your wife or husband) for 8 hours a day will lead to an exposure of 0.02 mSv/year (Source: UNSCEAR and EPA) i.e. 10x that of Lynas worst case scenario.
There is no natural way for Metallic Thorium or insoluble Thorium compounds or even soluble salts when adsorbed with clay to enter the body in any significant amount and as Nick Tsurikov, International Radiation Safety Expert and Co-author of IAEA Radiation Safety Report says
“THORIUM IN ‘WASTE’ IS INSOLUBLE AND CANNOT POISON ANY PLANTS, ANIMALS OR THE ENVIRONMENT – EVEN IN THEORY.” Unquote.
There has not been a single death or injury that has been definitely and conclusively proven beyond any scientific doubt from the accidental inhalation or ingestion of Thorium-232 !
Compare this with death caused by Water i.e. from drowning… 388,000 drowning deaths in 2004 alone (WHO).
It is also not possible for Thorium-232 to get into the lungs of the Kuantan folks because only particles of between 0.65 to 5 microns are able to get deep into the lungs.
Those particles which are larger than 5 microns are trapped by the mucosa in the upper respiratory tract and are cough out with the phlegm.
Those particles which are smaller than 0.65 microns will behave like the nitrogen gas in the air and is exhaled with the exhaust air.
Particles of less than 5 microns are found only in the Thorium or Uranium mines where powerful machines are used, or where there is combustion.
THE LYNAS PLANT IS NOT A THORIUM MINE AND KUANTAN FOLKS ARE NOT MINERS !
QUOTE NICK TSURIKOV, INTERNATIONAL RADIATION SAFETY EXPERT WHO IS THE CO-AUTHOR OF IAEA RADIATION SAFETY REPORT:
“On dust particles – THERE IS NO WAY WHATSOEVER FOR
DUST PARTICLES OF AROUND 10 MICRONS TO GET INTO
THE LUNGS –
THE STUFF THAT GETS THERE IS 5 MICRONS OR LESS,..
The vast majority of the (Lynas) concentrate is EITHER 10 MICRONS or above, SO THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY ISSUE HERE.” Unquote.
Dato’ Dr Looi Hoong Wah
FAMM, MB., ChB(Manchester), MRCS(England), MRCP(UK), MRCP(London)
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“La Rochelle, the ‘Lynas of France”
Many would be surprised that La Rochelle has for decades been hosting a rare earths processing plant, similar to the one planned in Malaysia.
The La Rochelle facility, which belongs to France’s Rhodia Group, has for years been operating like Lynas. Forty years to be exact. And there has been no adverse health and safety report in the tourist town.
The Rhodia company is an active player in the rare earths business. It is a leading processor of rare earths. In fact, it’s the only fully integrated industrial player to have manufacturing operations and raw material supply both within and outside China.
The plant in La Rochelle has been in operation for more than 40 years.
In the early years, the plant processed rare earths ore concentrates from Australia and China just like Lynas would. For 40 years, the plant was operated in this manner, producing cerium for the world market.
The radioactive thorium residues have been stored within the plant’s 40ha site for the past 50 years. During storage, the residues are regularly monitored by the country’s regulatory authority, the equivalent of our Atomic Energy Licensing Board (AELB).
They believe the stored thorium salts will become a fuel of the future.
What is clear is that the rare earths processing facility in La Rochelle has been operating for more than five decades without harming the population. Instead, La Rochelle has thrived over the years as an attractive tourist destination not only for the French but also for holiday-makers from other European countries and even as far away as the United States.
Through the deployment of stringent health and safety standards, the chemical plant has been of no consequence to the local community.
Instead, it has contributed to the local economy not only in terms of job opportunities but also tax revenues.
After visiting La Rochelle, it beats me why there are still people who are so hung up on Lynas.”Unquote
COMPARISON OF RADIOACTIVITY IN Bq (Specific activity.. number of atoms decaying in 1second)
Pure Thorium-232 = 4,080 Bq/gm
Pure Potassium-40 = 254,000 Bq/gm
Naturally Occurring Potassium (3 different isotopes) in our body and food = 31.825 Bq/gm
Artificially created Plutonium-238 = 634,000,000,000 Bq/gm (1/2 life=87.7 years)
Polonium-210 from Uranium-238 decay = 166,000,000,000,000 Bq/gm (1/2 life=138 days)
Monazite ore from Amang or Tin Tailings in Malaysia = 284 Bq/gm
Lynas Rare Earth Waste = 6 Bq/gm
Quote: AELB (Atomic Energy Licensing Board, Malaysia):
Malaysia was the world’s no. 1 producer of tin. Along with tin, there’s always Thorium and Uranium and therefore this is not Malaysia’s first facility, AELB is has experience to handle this, to overcome this and AELB is prepared.
THERE ARE MORE THAN 10 FACILITIES THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR TO LYNAS.
SOME OF THEM ARE PRODUCING HIGHER RESIDUES, HIGHER CONCENTRATION OF URANIUM AND THORIUM.
AELB has been able to regulate and control these factories, so it is based on AELB experience and the experience of the industry abroad.” Unquote
QUESTION: WHY IS IT THAT THERE ARE NO DEMONSTRATIONS BY
THE ANTI-LYNAS FOOT-SOLDIERS AGAINST THESE 10 CHEMICAL
PLANTS ALREADY IN MALAYSIA THAT ARE PRODUCING “WASTES
WITH HIGHER CONCENTRATIONS OF URANIUM AND THORIUM”?
ANSWER: 100% PURE POLITICS FROM TOXIC RADIOACTIVE
POLITICIANS !
Dato’ Dr Looi
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Quote Anti-Lynas: “The plant in La Rochelle is not like Lynas. They don’t store the waste in their vicinity, the waste is stored in a facility specialized in disposing radioactive waste.” Unquote.
ANSWER:
The La Rochelle plant uses Monazite-(Ce)…(Ce, La, Nd, Th, Y)PO4 and this is by far the most common and most radioactive of the 3 types of monazite ore.
The other 2 types which are Monazite-(La) and Monazite-(Nd).
The monazite from Malaysian Tin tailings has 6 to 7% Thorium-232 and has an activity of 284 Bq/g.
WASTES
Until the end of 1974, THE PLANT RELEASED ALL RADIOACTIVE LIQUIDS AND SOLIDS DIRECTLY INTO THE SEA (WHERE LOCALS AS WELL AS TOURISTS ARE SWIMMING)!
Since, and until the end of 1990, it sent at least a part of the solid residues to the CSM. These wastes are composed, among other substances, of thorium 232, uranium 238, and their descendants (including radium 226 and 228).
SOLID WASTES
–A solid residue resulting from the processing prior to July 1994 and described by Andra as “Résidu solide banalisé” (RSB), solid residue made commonplace.
As of June 1999, 8025 tons (50% moisture) with an activity of 217 GBq were on the PLANT site. The thorium 232 in the DRY PRODUCT REPRESENTED 48 Bq/g AND THE URANIUM 238, 6 Bq/g MAKING A TOTAL OF 54 Bq/g.
Rhône-Poulenc placed 61,000 t of what Andra describes as RSB into a waste site located near its factory and belonging to the city of La Rochelle (Port de Pallice).
The residues contain in particular thorium 232 (48 Bq/g dry product) and uranium 238 (6 Bq/g dry product), for a total of 1.65 TBq [Andra 00].
–Radioactive minerals that have not been attacked. According to Andra, they have been used to fill in a part of the plant site;
–Substances in suspension, the only residue produced by the minerals used today. 10,048 t (50% moisture) containing thorium 232 (2.6 Bq/g ) and uranium 238 (4.7Bq/g) for a total of 37 GBq are stored at the plant;
–Tailings, containing thorium 232, uranium 238, and their descendents including radium.
They are more radioactive than the RSB (see above). They are located at Cadarache and presumably in the bay of La Rochelle. They were stored for a time at the CSM.
–Thorium nitrate and crude thorium hydroxide.
The 2000 inventory of Andra states in a footnote that it does not take into consideration some 11,000 t of thorium nitrate (mass activity 1650 Bq/g) and about 20,000 t of crude thorium hydroxide (mass activity 720 Bq/g), the “historic” residue of the processing prior to mid-1994, because these substances are “commercialized at present “by Rhodia Terres Rares.
The thorium nitrate is used in the manufacture of lamp sleeves; the hydroxide “is a potential raw material.”
Apparently these substances are stored at the site [Andra 99]. The 1997 inventory of Andra listed the hydroxide as a waste.
The waste thorium nitrate (mass activity 1650 Bq/g) has an activity which is 27,500% higher than the waste from Lynas which is only 6 Bq/g! Apparently these substances are stored at the site [Andra 99].
8,025 TONS OF WASTE WITH AN ACTIVITY OF 217 GBq were still stored in the compounds of the plant.
THIS “LOW RADIOACTICITY WASTE” has 48 Bq/g from Thorium 232 and 6 Bq/g from Uranium-238 giving a total of 54 Bq/g.
You have to realise that 54 Bq/g is 900% higher than that of the Lynas waste of 6 Bq/g.
And these wastes are still being stored in the compound of the plant.
IF THE FRENCH ARE NOT WORRIED ABOUT 54 Bq/g OF RADIOACTIVITY, WHY ARE SOME MALAYSIANS SO FRIGHTENED OF ONLY 6 Bq/g?
Answer: 100% pure politics from toxic radioactive politicians!
Dato’ Dr Looi
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(Please Note: This statement by Gerhard Schmidt has been copied and extensively propagated in all blogs and Facebook pages of the cyberspace by the Anti-Lynas folks.)
Quote Gerhard Schmidt, of Oeko Institute said:
“MAIN RESULTS: WASTE MANAGEMENT
Our own dose calculation based on Lynas waste data shows:
# The WLP waste with the highest radioactive content would be by a factor of more than 1,000 above internationally accepted protection levels for the release of radioactive materials from regulatory control (Beyond Regulatory Concern, BRC level).
# Even if diluted 1:1 with gypsum the WLP waste is 200-fold above those internationally accepted levels!
# Even if diluted 1:100 with gypsum (technically unrealistic) the doses would still exceed BRC level!
# Even the less contaminated wastes FGD and NUF are above that level and require 1:4 resp. 1:9 mixing before they can be released (assumed that the material properties meet the necessary requirements and their toxic by-product content is below any non-radiological environmental concern).”
Unquote.
COMMENT:
The operation of the plant will result in the generation of three major residue streams, namely the
1. WLP .. Water Leach Purification Residue (WLP) from the cracking and separation process. This is the only slightly radioactive residue at ~ 6 Bq/gm or about 5.7 Bq/g of Thorium-232.
2. FGD .. the Flue Gas Desulphurisation Residue (FGD) from the waste gas treatment system (scrubber) ~ 12 ppm,
3. NUF .. Neutralisation Underflow Solids from the wastewater treatment process (NUF) ~ 7 ppm of Thorium-232
BOTH THE FGD AND NUF HAS LESS THAN 12 ppm (parts per million) of THORIUM-232.
MALAYSIAN SOIL HAS AN AVERAGE OF 20 ppm of Thorium
Quote Nick Tsurikov, International Radiation Safety Expert and Co-Author of the IAEA Safety Report on Radioactivity:
” If you do look through the Lynas RIA together with UN (not IAEA) reports – you will clearly see that two most ‘voluminous’ residues from LAMP will have less than 12 parts per million of thorium – and the average Malaysian soil – 20 parts per million of thorium.
In fact most of Lynas residues are only half as radioactive as the sand the kids all over Malaysia play in the kindergartens” Unquote.
SO, ACCORDING TO OEKO, If 12 ppm are above that level and require 1:4 resp. 1:9 mixing before they can be released,
WHAT ABOUT ALL THE SOIL IN THE WHOLE OF MALAYSIA WHICH HAS 20 ppm OF THORIUM ?
THE WHOLE OF MALAYSIA IS above internationally accepted protection levels for the release of radioactive materials from regulatory control (Beyond Regulatory Concern, BRC level).
ALL MALAYSIANS HAVE TO MIGRATE TO GERMANY OR SWIM TO AUSTRALIA !
THIS IS JUST PURE INSANITY ! ! !
With reference to the misleading claim that the radioactivity from the Lynas “waste” was 1,000 TIMES ABOVE INTERNATIONALLY ACCEPTED PROTECTION LEVELS for the release of radioactive materials from regulatory control, have a look at this rebuttal by Nick Tsurikov the Renown International Radiation Safety Expert who is the co-author of the IAEA safety report:
” GERHARD SCHMIDT IS SO OBVIOUSLY WRONG that it is not even funny.
The WLP waste produced by Lynas would be 6 to 7 times above internationally accepted protection levels for the release of radioactive materials from regulatory control.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHATSOEVER WHERE HE GOT “1000 TIMES” FROM…
But I would like to respectfully note that a researcher/scientist from Germany is unlikely to have more knowledge and understanding of the issue than numerous reputable UN and other organisations, such as:
– World Health Organisation,
– UN Environment Programme,
– International Labor Organisation,
– International Atomic Energy Agency,
– Pan-American Health Organisation etc. etc.,
Which ALL agreed once again in the 2011 ‘basic safety standards’ that the materials below 1 Bq/g are beyond regulatory concern.
If there is some other international opinion, it surely is not accepted by the vast majority of the world…” Unquote.
Dr Looi
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85% OF LYNAS “WASTE” IS OF MALAYSIAN ORIGIN.
ANTI-LYNAS FOLKS STILL INSIST THAT THE SO-CALLED LYNAS WASTE BE SENT BACK TO AUSTRALIA.
ANNUAL PRODUCTION OF REE AND “WASTE”
(according to OEKO):
Annual import of Ore Concentrate = 65,000 tonnes
Annual production of REE = 22,500 tonnes
Therefore actual ‘Waste” of Australian origin
= 65,000 – 22,500 = 42,500 tonnes per year
TOTAL “WASTE” from Lynas Plant = 290,400 tonnes/yr
consisting of
1. WLP = 64,000 tonnes/yr
2. FGD = 55,800 tonnes/yr
3. NUF = 170,600 tonnes/yr
THEREFORE AUSTRALIA CONTRIBUTES TO ONLY 14.5 % (42,000 divided by 290,400×100 %) of the so-called “waste” tonnage ! ! !
SO 85.5 % OF ALL THE “WASTE” PRODUCED BY LYNAS IS ACTUALLY NATIVE TO MALAYSIA.
AND HAS BEEN BORN AND BRED IN MALAYSIA FOR BILLIONS OF YEARS AND AS SUCH HAVE MORE RIGHT TO STAY IN MALAYSIA THAN ALL THE ANTI-LYNAS FOLKS !
DON’T YOU THINK THAT IT IS A SICK JOKE TO ASK AUSTRALIA TO TAKE “BACK” A SO-CALLED “WASTE” WHICH IS OF 85.5% MALAYSIAN ORIGIN ?
Dato’ Dr Looi Hoong Wah
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BACKGROUND RADIATION HAS FALLEN IN GEBENG SINCE LYNAS ACTIVATED THE PLANT ! ! !
FROM AELB, BACKGROUND RADIATION IN GEBENG:
MAY 2012 = 0.325 microSv/hr
JUNE 2012 = 0.330 microSv/hr
JULY 2012 = 0.319 microSv/hr
♥ Lynas Ore Concentrate arrive in Gebeng = 22.11.12
JAN 2013 = 0.216 microSv/hr
FEB 2013 = 0.217 microSv/hr
MAC 2013 = 0.226 microSv/hr
APRIL 2013 = 0.220 microSv/hr
Dato’ Dr Looi Hoong Wah