Hua Zong: Malays once pendatang too

November 10, 2015 at 2:56 pm 70 comments

Tan Sri Pheng Yin Huah, president of Hua Zong which is the Federation of Chinese Associations, said apart from orang asli and Sabah and Sarawak natives, other races were once pendatang. See ‘Stop using “pendatang” to describe Chinese and Indians’ (The Sun Daily, 8 Nov 2015).

Pheng is trotting out the favourite trope among Malaysian Chinese that Malays are pendatang too.

‘Malay-sia’

If Chinese originate from China and Indians originate from India, why then are 95 percent of Malaysian Chinese unable or so reluctant to accept that Malays originate from Malaysia or going by its earlier name, Tanah Melayu?

One of their ‘spokesman’ Wong Chun Wai last Sunday in his J-Star column invoked “commonalities”. He wrote:

“Malaysians must come together as a people. For this to happen, the moderates must work harder to emphasise the relevance and importance of commonality. We must not allow the extremists to derail moderation.”

Well, let’s see what ‘commonalities’ are shared by the people of the Nusantara, shall we?

Those living in Malay archipelago / gugusan kepulauan Melayu have:

  • a common skin colour – they’re brown skinned islanders and stretching to as far as Melanesia, Micronesia and Polynesia
    .
  • a common religion (in part) – Islam in Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, southern Philippines, southern Thailand
    .
  • a common language (in part) – the ethnic Malay Thai nationals living in the southern provinces of Thailand speak Malay aside from Thai
    .
  • a common culture (in part) – as far north as Taiwan, its aborigines, i.e. hill tribes, have a folk dance that appears very similar to the Dayak’s. See video below and note the dancers’ costumes.

Ali shan

Singapore’s Article 152 on Malay ‘special position’

Singapore in its Article 152 of the Constitution recognises Malays as the country’s indigenous people. Listen to Lee Kuan Yew (video) reiterate this fact in the Singapore Parliament.

Jose Rizal, who is the Filipino national hero, is a Malay – see below. Men in Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore and Brunei share the name ‘Rizal’. It is a “commonality” in the Nusantara.

Indonesians in Sulawesi, Java and Sumatera have ‘race’, religion, language and culture in common with the Malays in Malaysia. In fact, Malays in Malaysia have more in common with their Indonesian cousins than they do the bangsa Anak Malaysia.

Rizal

Bangsa Anak Malaysia have no “commonalities” with majority population

In slamming the so-called “extremists” like Umno’s Azeez Rahim, Wong Chun Wai had insisted, “the moderates must work harder to emphasise the relevance and importance of commonality“.

To answer the concept question, i.e. what do the Firsters have in common with Malays, here’s a quick checklist:

  • Race … no
  • Religion … no
  • Language … no
  • Culture … no
  • Custom … no
  • Food … only Nasi Lemak

It is national borders that are “artificial construct”

Some Firsters like Jacqueline Ann Surin push the canard that Malay as a race is “artificially constructed” – see screenshot below – by certain quarters for their political and other vested interests.

Surin writes that “the notion of the ‘Malay’ is a political construct that was initiated by the British, and continues to be a construct perpetuated by the current powers that be …” – ‘The problem with Malay unity’ (The Nut Graph, 25 Feb 2013).

To Ms Surin, “the rallying cry for Malay or Muslim unity can actually be heard as a clarion call for pitting Malaysians against one another”.

So not only are the Firsters saying Malays are pendatang too but some even insist that there is no such thing as a ‘Malay’ race.

Source: TNG, 7 Nov 2008

Source: The Nut Graph, 7 Nov 2008

Adat merantau – the Malay seafaring spirit

Ustaz Muhammad Fauzi Asmuni has explained the concept of ‘perantau’ (Ismaweb, 23 Okt 2014) vis-a-vis the ‘pendatang’ polemics.

For Isma, “bumi Islam Melayu itu adalah konsep negara yang sudah bertapak berkurun-kurun sebelum penjajahan”.

Umno has been poor at articulating this, especially to the Dapster evangelistas.

The people of the archipelago are/were island hoppers.

Map Malay language

Our country did not begin in 1957

National boundaries between Malaysia, Indonesia and southern Thailand were drawn by the white colonialists when they carved up this region into their respective spheres of influence.

Isma’s Ustaz Fauzi wrote:

“[Rantau Melayu] telah diisytiharkan sebagai kerajaan Islam untuk berkurun-kurun. Dengan erti kata rajanya memerintah dengan sistem Islam, undang-undang Islam, budaya yang diamalkan budaya Islam, ulamanya ramai, adat istiadat Islam.

“Apabila datang penjajahan, penjajah mula mengubah sedikit demi sedikit. Kemudian apabila merdeka, orang mula lupa sejarah, terutamanya sebahagian daripada kaum Cina dan India. Mereka menuntut supaya kita lupakan sejarah dan mulakan sejarah baru bermula dengan kemerdekaan. Jadi mereka kata, selepas merdeka, mereka sudah duduk di sini, jadi sepatutnya kita bina negara baru.

“Saya tidak setuju dengan cadangan itu kerana sepatutnya kita perlu lihat kembali kita punya sejarah. Sejarah kita adalah negara Islam.”

Hannah Yeoh Ugly Pendatang

Evangelistas and their ‘glory to glory’

I have asked before ‘Are the evangelistas willing to make peace with Islam?‘.

It is a question posed in all seriousness.

With the BN being put on the backfoot of late, the DAP’s Christian triumphalism is rearing its head. DAP evangelistas are convinced that they’re “moving from strength to strength, faith to faith and glory to glory” (see tweet below) and making over Malaysia in their image.

Their politicians and activist clergy are shoving their evangelical Christianity in our face. This is not something we can swallow. It’s like a bone stuck in our throat.

Just how anti-Islam is the DAP?

When is the DAP going to sue the Pahang Mufti and Jabatan Agama Islam Pahang over the controversial rhetoric that the party is anti-Islam?

Some DAP supporters refuse to recognize the Malays as this country’s indigenous people.

Hannah Yeoh

Hannah Yeoh

When they instead keep parroting that Malaysia is a secular country, it is tantamount to a refusal to acknowledge the weight of Islam and its role as the “religion of the Federation”.

(Yet Hannah Yeoh – pix left – is willing to wear tudung litup when fishing Malay votes.)

The article specifying Islam in our Federal Constitution comes at No.3 which goes to show the utmost importance placed on this religious faith.

Article 1 is the most important and spells out what constitutes Malaysia.

Article 1 says,

“The Federation shall be known, in Malay and in English, by the name Malaysia. The States of the Federation shall be Johore, Kedah, Kelantan, Malacca, Negeri Sembilan, Pahang, Penang, Perak, Perlis, Sabah, Sarawak, Selangor and Terengganu.

Clause (4) of Article 1 includes the Federal Territories.

Article 2 says,

“Parliament may by law admit other States to the Federation; alter the boundaries of any State […]

BELOW: More tudung posturing by Hannah

Hannah tudung red

Article 3 says,

“Islam is the religion of the Federation; but other religions may be practised in peace and harmony in any part of the Federation.”

At this juncture, we need to ponder if the religion of the Born Agains is being practised in peace and harmony in our country.

Even the police are looking into this matter of whether the evangelistas are disrupting peace and harmony.

Do the Muftis of the other states agree with their Pahang counterpart that the DAP is anti-Islam? What say the Mufti of Perak?

Continues:

“‘What makes you think that I’m a pendatang?” J-Star Voice of Moderation wants to know

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Political Christianity – the police is watching “What makes you think that I’m a pendatang?” J-Star Voice of Moderation wants to know

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  • 1. shamshul Anuar  |  November 10, 2015 at 3:43 pm

    Helen,

    Of course many want to classify Malays as “pendatang” too. By insisting Malays as “pendatang” , the Malays will lose legitimacy in retaining aspects of malay/Islam traditions.

    As an example, why on earth Islam is the official religion if Malays too are “pendatang”. Why the need of “raja raja? Classifying Malays as “pendatang” has far reaching consequences. All instruments specially tailored for Malays such as MARA will end up being scrutinized.

    Believe me. It will take place should UMNO be toppled.

    THE PROBLEM WITH UMNO is that it never wants to tell the Chinese why the word “pendatang’ is used. UMNO must tell straight to the face of Chinese community that the word is manifestation of Malays disgust over behaviour of many Chinese politicians.

    Believe me, Guan Eng or Kit Siang would not survive politically in USA or many other countries. The powers to be will simply tell them off that they (Kit Siang and gang) are RACIST.

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    • 2. Where's The Justice  |  November 10, 2015 at 4:05 pm

      “Believe me, Guan Eng or Kit Siang would not survive politically in USA or many other countries.”

      And you think Najib would? The NEC wouldn’t last five minutes in those countries, bro.

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      • 3. Helen Ang  |  November 10, 2015 at 4:06 pm

        You’re still lurking in my blog?

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        • 4. islam1st  |  November 11, 2015 at 3:18 am

          Helen, the guy seems easily bored. Mesti stock beer dah habis!

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      • 5. SIR  |  November 12, 2015 at 2:15 am

        4.05 pm

        If the NEC is for the majority race in those countries, it will be welcomed with open arms.

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    • 6. ahmadalikarim  |  November 10, 2015 at 10:48 pm

      Dear Uncle Shamshul,
      Article 3(1) says that Islam is the religion of the Federation and not the official religion. Constitution expert Uncle Naser Disa said that if we say official religion, that means that Malaysia may has unofficial religion.
      Islam as the religion of the Federation means that the Federation is a Muslim country, and Malaysia’s only religion is Islam.

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      • 7. Helen Ang  |  November 10, 2015 at 11:01 pm

        Dear Ali,

        re: “Islam as the religion of the Federation means that the Federation is a Muslim country”

        Naser Disa’s interpretation is convincing to me. That’s how I look at it too.

        “Religion of the Federation” gives Islam the following role – which according to ND makes “Malaysia’s only religion is Islam” – compared to an alternative designation that Islam is an official religion.

        I agree with ND that making Islam an official religion can mean there are other official religions co-existing (in the same way that a country can have two official languages, for example).

        Whereas Article 3 stating that “Islam is the religion of the Federation” gives Islam paramountcy.

        This supreme position of Islam looks like its being challenged by the evangelistas.

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        • 8. islam1st  |  November 11, 2015 at 3:21 am

          And ‘other religions’ does not even mention, what religion wor? Helen, can we say, rather crudely that it does not even ‘recognized’ these other religions?? Can ahh?

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          • 9. Shamshul anuar  |  November 11, 2015 at 10:12 am

            Islam1st,

            It is quite natural actually. The natives (Malays) are Muslims. the Raja raja are Muslims too. So, it is expected to accord official status to islam.

            Do remember that in the oath to become Yang diPertuan Agong, Hus majesty swears to uphold Islam AND LEGIMATE interests of other communities.

            There is no problem. while Islam is accorded supreme position, other faiths can be practised in harmony.

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        • 10. drinho  |  November 11, 2015 at 8:49 am

          Paramountcy of Islam vis-a-vis Fed Con. Bear in mind, Islam derives its status/importance from the Fed Con. The position of Islam cannot go beyond than what is provided in the Fed Con. The real supremacy is the Fed Con. Matters like Islam, special positions of Malays and Bahasa language etc are limited to the extent the Fed Con permits. Despite Islam being the religion of the Federation, it does not mean that anything which is not Islamic is illegal or unconstitutional in Msia.

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    • 11. Stop Bauxite export to China!!  |  November 13, 2015 at 6:09 pm

      Tunku said that he knew if he didnt bring the Indian and Chinese the British would not agree to his proposal. From this we can see that Tunku did this as a ploy to trick the Christian Mat Salleh to leave Malaya.
      Once the British have left, we do not have to kowtow to their unreasonable demand that Chinese coolies and Indian labourers are given citizenship to Malaya.
      Beside these are economic migrants so they are still loyal to China rulers and Indians moguls.
      And this was proven true when Chin Peng received orders from Communist China to kill Malays to make the Malay Peninsula a China colony.
      But Communist China plan failed when the Malays fought and forced Chin Peng into the jungle.
      The cousins of Chin Peng is none other than Lim Kit Siang, Nga and Lim Guan Eng..etc
      The Malays second phase of getting rid of the English pests is malay nationalism as in indonesia where the natives speak malay fully and 200,000 chinese communists were killed.
      Indonesia shows that nationalism is the vanguard against foreign imperialism even bauxite is not allowed to be exported to China.
      Now UMNO MB is happy to collect 5% while chinese exporters earn 1 billion. Small mind from old school umno leaders must be removed.

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  • 12. Where's The Justice  |  November 10, 2015 at 4:28 pm

    NEP*

    Every now an again to see what the loons here are up to. They are still filled with so much rage and hatred. Such a sad way to live.

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    • 13. Helen Ang  |  November 10, 2015 at 4:34 pm

      re: “They are still filled with so much rage and hatred.”

      Tick tock, tick tock.

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    • 14. I am Woman  |  November 10, 2015 at 5:56 pm

      And who is fueling all that anger and hatred?

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      • 15. Equalizer.  |  November 10, 2015 at 8:07 pm

        Helen is telling the truth about the evangelistas and the DAP using the church to spread hatreds instead of loves and you are coming in to irritate like a lapdog of DAP. Go embrace blogs like Mkini etc etc that make you feel so good as they are raging a war of rage, hatred, lies, twisted half truths against BN, then you should be sleeping peacefully…. and don’t waste your time calling me names.

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  • 16. Fraidycat  |  November 10, 2015 at 5:55 pm

    Tome Pires who lives in Malacca during year 1512 until 1515 has referred to Malacca in his famous book Suma Oriental as Terra de Tana Malaio. so, the name Tanah Melayu was used before the English came. I Ching the chinese monk and explorer who visited Malay Archipelago in 7th century recorded the people of this area as Ma-La-Yu, and that is from a chinese source.

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    • 17. Muhammad Muhammad  |  November 10, 2015 at 6:49 pm

      The USA has Affirmative Action for the Blacks. I don’t see how NEP can’t survive ‘5 minutes in those countries, bro’.

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    • 18. Shamshul anuar  |  November 10, 2015 at 7:25 pm

      Fraidycat,

      When some lunatics from Sulu landed on Lahad Datu and made claim that Sabah belongs to Sultan of Sulu, they ignored one important fact: that Sultanate of Sulu already “pupus”.

      At the most defining moment of modern history of Sabah( that is change from British crown colony to founding state of Malaysia), Sultanate of Sulu was not in picture. On the contrary, Malay sultans here are duly recognised. Their signatures are required on Instrument of Independence.

      Whatever claim to deny the status of Malays, no one can deny all treaties with foreigners were made and made only with Raja Raja melayus. No Kapitan Cina made any treaties with British as an example simply because they were not in position to enter into treaties.

      One lone call by DAP or anyone leaning to DAP does not negate the recognition given to the Malays as “native of the land”.

      The word “pendatang” will continue to appear simply as many Chinese politicians behave like pendatang.

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  • 19. HY  |  November 10, 2015 at 6:46 pm

    in short, helen, r u a pendatang?

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    • 20. Helen Ang  |  November 10, 2015 at 6:52 pm

      (1) I’m Peranakan but this is not a sub-ethnic group (or at least I don’t see us as one). It’s just a reference to a particular community and our generations here. I’m Chinese.

      (2) “Pendatang” name-calling is a reaction to the current behaviour of the Dapster-evangelistas. It is not a reaction to our forefathers’ DNA.

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      • 21. HH  |  November 10, 2015 at 11:59 pm

        Quote: “Pendatang” name-calling is a reaction to the current behaviour of the Dapster-evangelistas. It is not a reaction to our forefathers’ DNA.”

        I’m sure you badly want to believe that.

        Anything else would denote your all out effort to appease are down the drain.

        Like somebody with ‘battered wives’ syndrome, the person continues to endure and make excuses to defend the husband’s bad behaviour.

        If you opined the pendatang label is nothing but a product of provocation, then it is reasonable to conclude your solution would be for the non-Malays to be submissive and docile. In other words, make no demands and be grateful.

        If you really ponder on it, submission is not a virtue one would expect among peers and equals. (Equals in this context meant fellow Malaysians.)

        To expect submission, it is already a sub-conscious acknowledgment of certain superiority vs inferiority at play in the first place.

        Yes, the pendatang name-calling is precisely a reaction to our ‘forefathers’ DNA’ [sic]

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        • 22. Helen Ang  |  November 11, 2015 at 12:23 am

          re: “I’m sure you badly want to believe that.”

          Actually it’s you lot that His Excellency the S’pore Ambassador termed “delusional”.

          Dictionary meaning: A person with delusional disorder will firmly hold on to a false belief despite clear evidence to the contrary.

          Yup, sounds like the City Harvest ‘Hallelujah’ crowd alright.

          re: “Anything else would denote your all out effort to appease are down the drain.”

          My all-out effort? Hahaha … look who were the ones screaming “Ubah, ini kali lah” but after the tsunami found that Umno was still standing.

          re: “Like somebody with ‘battered wives’ syndrome, the person continues to endure and make excuses to defend the husband’s bad behaviour.”

          Like the everlasting new hope aka Amanah providing the fig leaf for DAP. We can see from the photo below which one is dominant, and which one is submissive.

          re: “If you opined the pendatang label is nothing but a product of provocation, then it is reasonable to conclude your solution would be for the non-Malays to be submissive and docile. In other words, make no demands and be grateful.”

          Do whatever you want. As far as I’m concerned, at 95 percent it’s reached the terminal stage of No Hope, No Cure.

          re: “If you really ponder on it, submission is not a virtue one would expect among peers and equals. (Equals in this context meant fellow Malaysians.)”

          If you’re equal, where’s your Special Position? Are you under the delusion that your religion is the faith of the Federation under Article 3 (x)(y)(z)?

          re: “To expect submission, it is already a sub-conscious acknowledgment of certain superiority vs inferiority at play in the first place.”

          The Malays feel besieged. So it must be you evangelical Christians who are making them feel under under siege. Congrats. You’re superior, for the time being until they strike back.

          re: “Yes, the pendatang name-calling is precisely a reaction to our ‘forefathers’ DNA’ [sic]”

          Tsk, tsk … not aspiring for Peace & Harmony? Where’s the lurrrve?

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          • 23. HH  |  November 11, 2015 at 9:41 am

            Quote: “My all-out effort? Hahaha … look who were the ones screaming “Ubah, ini kali lah” but after the tsunami found that Umno was still standing.”

            UMNO withstanding the UBAH onslaught and you milking every ounce of disdain for DAP and the Christians into ammo for your random shooting spree are 2 separate issues.

            Of course in your vendetta against the 2, you have no qualms bringing the Chinese community down if that is what it takes.

            Quote: If you’re equal, where’s your Special Position? Are you under the delusion that your religion is the faith of the Federation under Article 3 (x)(y)(z)?

            Don’t be naughty. No one is challenging the special provisions for the bumiputera enshrined in the Constitution. In a multi racial society, it is not unusual for communities to make demands to reflect the times. It is not a zero sum game.

            Conceding certain demands to one segment does not mean taking away from another.

            It is also not about whether demands by the non-Malays are met, rather, it is the condescending stance taken by some who opined voices from the non-Malays constitute a violation itself.

            Quote: The Malays feel besieged. So it must be you evangelical Christians who are making them feel under under siege.

            Huh? The majority feel besieged? What about the minority?

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            • 24. Helen Ang  |  November 11, 2015 at 11:32 am

              Quote: “My all-out effort? Hahaha … look who were the ones screaming “Ubah, ini kali lah” but after the tsunami found that Umno was still standing.”

              re: “UMNO withstanding the UBAH onslaught and you milking every ounce of disdain for DAP and the Christians into ammo for your random shooting spree are 2 separate issues.”

              “My random shooting spree”? You should stop and listen to yourself sometimes.

              re: “Of course in your vendetta against the 2, you have no qualms bringing the Chinese community down if that is what it takes.”

              I “have no qualms bringing the Chinese community down”? Not only should you stop and listen to yourself sometimes, you should tape your rants and play back the audio. But the second best thing is that you’re doing a Show & Tell for readers of this blog on how the evangelistas typically operate.

              re: “No one is challenging the special provisions for the bumiputera enshrined in the Constitution.”

              Tape yourself on your claims, and compare with what “no one” is challenging in the political arena.

              re: “In a multi racial society, it is not unusual for communities to make demands to reflect the times.”

              I’ve nothing against keeping up with the times. It’s the Sneaky Bastard methods which are at issue.

              re: “Conceding certain demands to one segment does not mean taking away from another. It is not a zero sum game.”

              Like DAP taking away 95 percent of Chinese support from the MCA does not the latter on the verge of death?

              re: “It is also not about whether demands by the non-Malays are met, rather, it is the condescending stance taken by some who opined voices from the non-Malays constitute a violation itself.”

              “Condescending stance”? What about the stance of the DAP evangelistas that the ends justify the means and whose the playbook is fitnah, tipu, bohong dan putar-belit semua dihalalkan asal menang.

              re: “Huh? The majority feel besieged? What about the minority?”

              They are delusional. His Excellency already said.

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      • 25. HY  |  November 11, 2015 at 12:07 pm

        1) I am aware

        2) can u enlighten me what current behavior r u talking abt? bangsa malaysia? u used to support chinese school, I am not sure if u still did since u change a lot. if u persist with yr stance, would that not a bahaviour (to support chinese school) that deserved the pendatang label from the majority of yr reader here?

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        • 26. Helen Ang  |  November 11, 2015 at 12:40 pm

          Current behaviour –

          DAP dan konco-konco punya Fitnah, Bohong, Tipu & Putar-belit. For details on the Sneaky Bastards, see http://limsiansee.blogspot.my/2015/11/from-strong-allies-to-bitter-enemies.html

          re: “u used to support chinese school”

          “DAP has subtly turned Chinese primary schools into their dumping ground where they spread all sorts of malicious messages to incite the Chinese community against the government” – press statement by MCA Publicity Bureau chairman Senator Chai Kim Sen recently on Oct 2.

          re: “I am not sure if u still did since u change a lot.”

          It is the Chinese who are screaming “Ubah!” and changed to 95 percent Rocket.

          On the other hand, I’ve remained consistent. The behaviour at Bersih 4.0 ought to make even you reevaluate – not necessarily the vernacular education system – but whatever happened to 礼貌.

          In any case, I don’t fault Chinese schools for producing sneaky bastards. For this, I place the blame squarely on the shoulders of the City Harvest-type cults and language medium in not a factor since DAP evangelistas include Mandarin speakers.

          With the benefit of hindsight, I support – retrospectively – the MCA’s Chinese approach and reject the DAP’s Firster scam.

          However after Tsunami 2.0 (the mega Yellow Rally on 30 Aug 2015), all that the MCA successfully preserved and negotiated, including SRJK(C)s, in order to keep us remaining as Chinese is going to be lost soon, esp. if Umno retains power through the Tanah Melayu Bumi Islam route. And I don’t see how BN can avoid unity government with PAS.

          If you’ll check the ‘tag’ of my posts, you’ll find that I’ve consistently and over close to (the last) five years tagged my stories under the label “DAP mengkhianati kaum Cina”. You can use my blog internal search to do this.

          re: “if u persist with yr stance, would that not a bahaviour (to support chinese school) that deserved the pendatang label from the majority of yr reader here?”

          (a) I’m not sure. I’m afraid SRJK(C)s are at risk of Christian evangelism. MCA has pointed out the DAP’s control (meaning ideological influence) over the schools, which in practical terms means the teachers which again should not surprise anyone given the 95% factor.

          (b) The ‘pendatang’ label is our collective punishment. Niki Cheong – see next posting – is of Malacca Baba descent. It’s likely his family has been here longer than mine.

          Since I belong to the five percent, whether I’m viewed as ‘pendatang’ or not will hardly mitigate the inexorable current carried by the 95 percent.

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          • 27. HY  |  November 11, 2015 at 10:16 pm

            thanks for some clarification.

            i do not appreciate a constitution that seem to segregate the people into 2 or more group, however at the same time, i also feel there r wisdom in this kind of social contract. the problem is governance, as the small boy said it, some people can do anything/everything for his sake of peace n harmony.

            the moment u dun support bn/umno, most of yr reader / commentator here would call u a pendatang. this is a partisan game, not really a collective punishment.

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      • 28. drinho  |  November 11, 2015 at 1:27 pm

        re: “Pendatang” name-calling is a reaction to the current behaviour of the Dapster-evangelistas. It is not a reaction to our forefathers’ DNA.

        Thought the label has been used since time immemorial?

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        • 29. Helen Ang  |  November 11, 2015 at 1:38 pm

          Please give examples (citations) of said label since time immemorial.

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          • 30. drinho  |  November 11, 2015 at 1:50 pm

            Simple. Refer to history textbooks of national schools. Stated clearly that the Chinese and Indian came from China and India. A subtle but institutional way to deliver the message of ‘pendatang’. Inculcated into the syllabus. The label pendatang is not a recent phenomena.

            Good enough for you?

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            • 31. Helen Ang  |  November 11, 2015 at 2:07 pm

              Come on lah, drinho. You can do better than this.

              If the textbook is stating a historical fact, what word would you have them use – ‘penjelma’?

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              • 32. drinho  |  November 11, 2015 at 2:43 pm

                Ok. Let me define “since time immemorial”.

                It is “since Merdeka”.

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                • 33. Helen Ang  |  November 11, 2015 at 2:47 pm

                  You have to prove niat untuk menghina. A word can be neutral in essence but become pejorative if the speaker’s intent is to be derogatory.

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                  • 34. Helen Ang  |  November 11, 2015 at 2:48 pm

                    Amend:

                    You have to SHOW niat untuk menghina. Asking proof is too demanding.

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                    • 35. Mulan Malaysia  |  November 11, 2015 at 9:29 pm

                      Inlah yang dipanggil menghina. Sampai hati Deepavali pun dihina.

                    • 36. I am Woman  |  November 11, 2015 at 10:02 pm

                      That comment from Mulan and the pictures posted are truly disturbing. I hope MCMC charged the people behind that real soon.

    • 37. I am Woman  |  November 10, 2015 at 7:36 pm

      I can honestly tell you that this Melayu would never call Helen a pendatang, just as I’ve ever called any of the Cina or Indian in my neighborhood a pendatang. The last time any Cina in my neighborhood was asked to balik Tongsan was probably around 1969.

      And the reason is as Helen stated in no.2.

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      • 38. HY  |  November 11, 2015 at 9:49 pm

        no worry, we dun feel insult being called pendatang, at least for people i know of. n its a fun topic to debate. all my fren be it malay indian or chinese have no problem to joke abt this pendatang. I think at the ground is okay, most of us get quite use to all this race talk, the only problem is provocation from the top or politician.

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  • 39. I am Woman  |  November 10, 2015 at 8:47 pm

    A bit off topic but still relevant. H, you know I love to troll LKS, right?

    The man is really productive. He has multiple postings a day. Anyway read this in one of his postings today: “Last year, Malaysians abroad were ashamed to admit they are Malaysians – because of missing MAS jetliner, MH 370.”

    See that’s the reason I read LKS so I can get my daily dose of WTF. Am I the only one to wonder if those people ashamed to admit their nationality are non-Malays. Seriously, anyone who is ashamed to admit they are Malaysians because of MH370 tragedy, please, please, please lose your passports.

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  • 40. tebing tinggi  |  November 10, 2015 at 8:56 pm

    quoting from ,Isma ustaz Fauzi,

    “Mereka ( pendatang) menuntut kita( Melayu) lupakan sejarah, dan mulakan sejarah baru bermula dengan kemerdekaan . Jadi mereka (pendatang Cina & India )kata selepas merdeka ,mereka sudah dudok disini, jadi sepatutnya kita bina negara baru.

    Melayu disuroh melupakan identiti mereka dan sejarah mereka ,bagimana pula pendatang Cina dsan India yang ingin megekalkan segala-galanya cara mereka ,,sabagaimana mereka dinegara asal mereka .
    Sepatutnya mereka yang patut berbah dan melupakan sejarah mereka ,apabila menerima kerayaktan Malaysia .

    Pelik sangat bunyinya .

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    • 41. Helen Ang  |  November 10, 2015 at 8:59 pm

      re: “Sepatutnya mereka yang patut berbah dan melupakan sejarah mereka apabila menerima kerayaktan Malaysia.”

      This is also Dr Mahathir’s theory in the Malay Dilemma.

      After close to 50 years (the book was published in 1970), we’re no closer to any kind of resolution.

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      • 42. Setem  |  November 10, 2015 at 9:49 pm

        kill off vernacular schools.

        have one school type for all Malaysia kids.

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        • 43. Shamshul anuar  |  November 10, 2015 at 10:27 pm

          Setem,

          Precisely. Let all of us get real. If we are really serious about integration, we must abolish the vernacular schools. These schools encourage separation .

          The vernacular schools are funded by Federal governments but what taught in that schools are not helping integration.

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          • 44. drinho  |  November 11, 2015 at 1:34 pm

            Separation? What about schools like MARA, religious schools, private/international schools, elite schools etc? These schools similarly encourage separation along economic and religious lines.

            What about schools in foreign jurisdiction? Eg. parents in JB sending their kids to schools in Singapore. Should the government prohibit these kids from crossing the causeway?

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        • 45. I am Woman  |  November 10, 2015 at 10:38 pm

          Not gonna happen. But they’re going to split the schools further. Pemandu is proposing the dual language system. Planning to start trials in about 300 schools, I believe. So first we split the schools into Malay, Chinese and Indians, then we split the Malays into single language and dual languages. Guess which group is going to lose? I’ll give you a hint in shortform: kg.

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          • 46. Orang Perlis  |  November 11, 2015 at 10:48 am

            My kids school is prob going to do the DLP trial ( chatter in parents whatsapp group). I dont mind actually, because this is an urban school and i notice almost the entire class the kids speaks english fluently. BUt i do see your point about kampung kids

            Seriously, i dont know how we can solve the system itself ( forget about the SRJK/SK issue, the bigger picture is that our core education system belum nampak a proper target.) The syllabus used is standard for all kids regardless of their location….urban kids will likely have added advantage than their kampung peers, yet the schools are using a one size fits all syllabus…which leaves urban kids bored at school because it is too easy ( no stats here, just observation from my children and their friends)…

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            • 47. I am Woman  |  November 13, 2015 at 2:20 pm

              Speaking of standardisation:

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          • 48. drinho  |  November 11, 2015 at 1:30 pm

            Even Johor Sultan is advocating English stream schools.

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            • 49. Helen Ang  |  November 11, 2015 at 1:37 pm

              TMJ floated the idea of Johor’s secession.

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            • 50. I am Woman  |  November 11, 2015 at 8:22 pm

              I don’t have a problem with English streaming. I have a problem with segregating children from very young by ethnicity then further complicate it by splitting them by language, and then scratch our heads wondering why these kids grow up and fail to integrate.

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              • 51. drinho  |  November 12, 2015 at 8:51 am

                1. What about the rights of the parents to choose the type of school for their children?

                2. What about segregating children along income and religious lines? The rich will attend private and international schools whereas the poor will attend normal government schools. The Muslims will attend sekolah agama whereas the non-Muslims have no or limited religious schools to attend (if not mistaken).

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                • 52. I am Woman  |  November 12, 2015 at 1:55 pm

                  1. if you have only one type of school then that’s your only choice.

                  2. International schools should be strictly for international students. Private schools is a difficult case. People with money (regardless of race) will always assume that their rights supercede everyone’s.

                  The sekolah agama is different. It has been around for a very, very long time. Back in the days prior to colonialism, the sekolah pondok was the only place people learned their letters and the Quran. Abolishing the sekolah agama will be looked at as disrespecting Islam’s position as stated in the constitution.

                  But if you are talking about limiting the presence of Islam in the national schools, I can’t speak for everyone, but I can understand and support that.

                  Before the Melayu start disagreeing with me, let me just explain this is about compromise. If we want everyone to attend a single school system, then we should make the learning process as easy and comfortable as we can for everyone. After all the Melayu have always sent their kids to sekolah agama before/after school hours.

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                  • 53. drinho  |  November 13, 2015 at 9:15 am

                    re: People with money (regardless of race) will always assume that their rights supercede everyone’s.

                    Yes, rights can be bought with money. Simple economics. If there is demand for private schools, there will always be supply. The middle class in Msia is growing. Hence, the rising enrollment in private schools. Coupled with the declining standards of national schools, the trend of rising enrollment will continue in the future. In simple terms, single stream school is meant for the lower income.

                    Ultimately, I believe the rights of parents to choose the type of school for their kids should prevail over national unity. Moreover, the proponents of single stream school has displayed hypocricy. They advocated closure of SJKC. What about SJKT? They have no problem for the rich in private schools to be segregated from the poor in national schools. They wanted to maintain MARA and religious school for themselves citing protection under the constitution. They have no problem if the rich/powerful Malays send their children to foreign universities for tertiary education whereas the majority low/middle income Malays attend local public universities. They advocated to abolish PPSMI but send their children to institutions that use English as the medium of instruction.

                    If really want single stream system, do it across the board. Not selectively target SJKC.

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                    • 54. Helen Ang  |  November 13, 2015 at 9:24 am

                      re: “Yes, rights can be bought with money.”

                      Up to a certain point. Baroness Elisabeth – a Rothschild by marriage – died in the Holocaust. She was arrested by the Gestapo and thrown into concentration camp.

                      Elisabeth’s family was wealthy too in their own right and her personal ancestry can be traced to a renowned line.

                    • 55. I am Woman  |  November 13, 2015 at 2:12 pm

                      It goes without saying that if SJKC is closed so will SJKT. Anyway in some places the enrolment for SJKT is so low that the teacher to student ratio is 1:10 or even less.

                      Rich and powerful malays sending their kids to foreign universities – I thought we were discussing the primary and secondary schools.

                      Anyway, if we take out the MRSM (which is opened to bumi not just malays) and the independant Chinese Secondary Schools, there cannot be such a substantial number of students in private schools. The fees to send one child is about RM40-50K a year, which is a limiting factor for most parents. According to friends who send their kids to such schools, there are more non-malays than Malays in those schools.

    • 56. abu  |  November 12, 2015 at 12:38 pm

      They were just dancing to the Singapore tune. Remember, “Singapura was founded by the great white man from those far far away land called England ma”.

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  • 57. kampong lad  |  November 10, 2015 at 8:59 pm

    1. sekiranya air laut yg mengelilingi kepulauan melayu kering, luas manakah nusantara jika dibandingkan dengan china?
    2. melayu juga pendatang? sila tanya anak watan keturunan pendatang yg bertutur dialek hokkien, apa erti ‘huanna’.

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  • 58. ahmadalikarim  |  November 10, 2015 at 11:26 pm

    Dear Aunty Helen,

    Some people like to define, “in peace and harmony” as the right for them to do anything they like, if not they won’t be “in peace and harmony”.

    In the ruling of the Court of Appeal’s three-member panel led by Federal Court judge Datuk Seri Mohamed Apandi Ali on the Kalimah Allah case:

    It is my observation that the words “in peace and harmony” in Article 3(1) has a historical background and dimension, to the effect that those words are not without significance.

    The Article places the religion of Islam at par with the other basic structures of the Constitution, as it is the 3 rd in the order of precedence of the Articles that were within the confines of Part I of the Constitution. It is pertinent to note that the fundamental liberties Articles were grouped together subsequently under Part II of the Constitution.

    re:” What say the Mufti of Perak?”

    I have not met the Mufti of Perak for a long time but we can all guess what he’ll say about this matter :) By the way, I guess the Mufti will not the happy with Tawfik Tun Dr. Ismail’s statement about JAKIM.

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    • 59. Helen Ang  |  November 10, 2015 at 11:33 pm

      If the Born Agains – in their practice of evangelical Christianity – cause the peace and harmony to be disrupted in our country, then the authorities should clamp down on them.

      Enough is enough. They’re too much already.

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  • 60. sarah  |  November 11, 2015 at 12:05 am

    Here we go again hehhehheh

    They never stop do they. If these statement getting viral and a lot of Malay getting angry again then they said they are being funny right.

    ;P sarah

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  • 61. anonymous  |  November 11, 2015 at 12:34 am

    Why don’t you tell that to the Agong who granted you your Tan Sri title, Pheng Yin Huah?

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  • 62. RINA  |  November 11, 2015 at 1:00 am

    Say a Russian boy is lost, kat jinjang ternaik bas sekolah murid2 dari SJKC.. Rasanya boleh terkencing dalam seluaq thinking he is in PRC.

    or

    Silap naik bas sekolah murid2 dari SJKT?

    or a Malay Pakcik / Makcik tersilap naik tour bus kat Sentral packed with Chinese Aso, Apek, Akow and Amoy.. They, even I will be wondering if these pax going back to Jinjang or just landed fm PRC and going on tour to Petaling street.

    Pasai takde a single hint of being a Malaysian.. Payah nak cam depa ni mai dari benua mana.. kaw kaw sebiji macam pendatang..

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    • 63. HY  |  November 11, 2015 at 11:58 am

      u mistake a country name malaysia n a country name indonesia kot? bring the russian boy to indonesia la.

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      • 64. RINA  |  November 11, 2015 at 5:47 pm

        HH,
        Nope.. In Indonesia the Russian boy will definitely know he is in Indonesia.

        Had dinner at Bukit Bintang seafood restaurant. Next to our table was an Indonesian Chinese family.. Grannys right to grandkids and a Chinese waiter was ready to take their orders.

        Ni how ma chong chiang lu ciak fum owh? He sweetly enquired. The Chinese Indonesian man turned to him “kami gak bisa bilang bahasa Cina, BIndonesia dan Inggeris sja”.

        Waiter looked puzzled, disappeared and a Thai waiter approached “selamat datang.. in fluent Bahasa Malaysia and comfortably took their orders.

        The Indonesians… All throughout dinner the family yakking in Bahasa Indonesia. Well…tak payah tanya we knew THEY ARE INDONESIANS. Identity ma HH. Payah nak cakap itu Chinese waiter is a Malaysian or a Pendatang from PRC, Hongkong or Taiwan.

        BTW Singapore mudah juga nak distinguish between the rude local Cina kiasus and the mainland Chinese. Foreigners from PRC they are very polite..

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        • 65. HH  |  November 11, 2015 at 7:56 pm

          Rina,

          We’ve gotta stop meeting under such erroneous circumstances.

          I’m not the one calling you out.

          Cheers

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        • 66. HY  |  November 11, 2015 at 9:35 pm

          ayoh our rina cant even diff ina n msia la, shd she mix up hh n hy is no surprise.

          kak rina, I still think u r either at the right people wrong place or right place wrong people. many chinese indonesian I met talk hokkian among themselves unless they cant. 10 out of 10 envy I can speak mandarin or dialect. it’s human nature to speak a language we r familiar with, dun burden us with yr narrow perception of patriotism n nationalism.

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        • 67. Orang Perlis  |  November 11, 2015 at 9:38 pm

          Sorry Puan? Cik ? Rina

          saya nak correct 2 perkara:

          1) Ramai Indonesian Chinese dah boleh bertutur bahasa Cina ( i work on a weekly basis in Indonesia) I worked here for the last 11 years, so this has been this way for far longer than that.

          2) Singaporeans in general ( apa2 pun bangsa lah) , agak menyampah dgn PRC, so they will beg to differ about your POV about “polite” PRC. also my company has a branch in Beijing,politeness and Beijing people dont go hand in hand.

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  • 68. Bonk  |  November 11, 2015 at 9:21 am

    http://www.malaysia-today.net/the-malays-are-not-pendatang/

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    • 69. HY  |  November 11, 2015 at 11:55 am

      y limit to a certain period? the evolutionist might say we r all from africa, n the creationist would say we r all god children, if i am not wrong malay archipelago is a term created in the 19 century, so when it suit u talk abt nusantara / malay archipelago? then we shd refer to a nusantara / malay archipelago constitution. tanya petra ada kah?

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  • 70. Onsleuth Amir Yahya  |  November 11, 2015 at 2:09 pm

    Tan Sri Pheng Yin Huah Pheng Yin Huah, 67, yang tidak hadir dan diwakili penasihat undang-undang syarikat tersebut, Victor Teoh dituduh melakukan kesalahan itu membabitkan hampir 300 pekerjanya antara Januari 2013 dan Mei tahun lepas.

    Ketika prosiding di hadapan Majistret Rofiah Mohamad, Teoh turut meminta penyelesaian dilakukan di luar mahkamah.

    http://www.sinarharian.com.my/semasa/pengarah-syarikat-mengaku-tidak-bersalah-1.413406 I wonder if he is the same guy ?

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