DAP berkeras mahu menundukkan kita semua kepada falsafah Malaysian First partinya yang merupakan “the idea of a national Malaysian consciousness” serta yang menentang “separate racial compartments”.
DAP selalu menyeru, “Let us pursue this Malaysian Dream that we are seen not as Malays, Chinese and Indians but as 100% Malaysians with equal rights and opportunities ….”
DAP juga menjadi tulang belakang kepada tunjuk perasaan Dong Jiao Zong baru-baru ini.
Biar kita teliti terlebih dahulu apa dia Malaysian First berdasarkan penjelasan terperinci yang diberikan Lim Guan Eng sendiri, dan selepas itu boleh kita berbincang tentang tuntutan-tuntutan DJZ.
I.
Memetik daripada ucaptama Guan Eng bertajuk ‘Malaysian First – Pursuing the Malaysian Dream Ensuring Opportunity and Security for All’ pada 18 Mac 2006 sempena sambutan ulangtahun ke-40 DAP:
(Ucapan Guan Eng dalam bahasa Inggeris; diihuruf tebalkan dan diulas oleh blogger ini dalam BM)
“The great Malaysian Dream” oleh DAP ialah berdasarkan “a common identity not based on race or religion but on a democratic socialist ideal seeking to abolish poverty, ignorance, disease and all forms of social injustice and economic exploitation.”
“Malaysian Malaysia was the DAP’s non-racial response to Umno’s call for Malay unity, MCA’s call for Chinese unity and MIC’s call for Indian unity at the expense of Malaysian unity. Unlike Umno, MCA or MIC, DAP believed that we should be Malaysians first and last.”
Guan Eng kemudian mengimbas kepada lidah pengarang Rocket yang ditulis Lim Kit Siang:
“If it is the common hope that our destiny is a multi-racial nation where there shall be no discrimination on the grounds of race, colour or creed, then there must be agreement on certain fundamentals if a multi-racial nation is to succeed. These fundamentals are:
“… The national language shall be the common language as a force of unity and not division.”
Menjawab soalan “what is the meaning of being Malaysian?”, Guan Eng mengulas:
“DAP submits that being Malaysian should depend on certain universal values we share and subscribe, focusing particularly on democracy, freedom, justice, integrity and human dignity.”
Menjawab soalan apa itu Malaysian First, Guan Eng berkata ianya menekankan perpaduan nasional.
“national unity should be based not on race or religion but on a common identity centered on democracy, freedom, justice, integrity and human dignity.”
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Memetik daripada kenyataan media Guan Eng pada 23 Jan 2007 yang mengolah proses pembentukan negara bangsa, sekali lagi Guan Eng mengulang bahawa DAP menolak politik perkauman BN yang memisah-misahkan rakyat mengikut bangsa dan agama.
Kata Guan Eng:
“DAP’s vision of nation-building is through Malaysian First based on forging a Bangsa Malaysia where this common identity and genuine national spirit allows the country to achieve economic prosperity that is shared by all.”
Guan Eng menitik-beratkan Malaysian First yang berteraskan perpaduan nasional.
“… national unity should be based not on race or religion but on a common identity centered on democracy, freedom, justice, integrity and human dignity.”
Sekali lagi Guan Eng menghurai “what is the meaning of being Malaysian?”
“DAP submits that being Malaysian should depend on certain universal values we share and can be proud of, particularly on democracy, freedom, justice, integrity and human dignity.”
“There can be no Malay agenda, Chinese agenda, Kadazan agenda, Iban agenda or Indian agenda. There is only one Malaysian agenda that gives every one an equal opportunity of success.
“We see a Malaysian soul that is peaceful, inclusive, tolerant and respects everyone not one that is filled with hatred, exclusive, intolerant and oppresses other Malaysians. Let us give hope to all Malaysians who love freedom, democracy, integrity, justice and human dignity to put Malaysian first.”
Siapa lulus dan siapa gagal?
DAP telah mendesak Muhyiddin Yassin untuk menyatakan sama ada diri beliau Malay First atau Malaysian First. DAP sering mencemuh Timbalan Perdana Menteri yang kononnya bernaluri Melayu totok. Muhyiddin gagal dalam semangat patriotismenya, dakwa DAP.
Namun DAP tidak berani pula mendesak Abdul Hadi Awang atau Anwar Ibrahim untuk menyatakan sama ada mereka Muslim First atau Malaysian First.
Meskipun demikian, andaikata kedua-dua pemimpin tersebut membalas ‘Muslim First’, mungkin mereka akan terpaksa juga digagalkan oleh DAP.
Bagi DAP – seperti yang disebut tadi – “a common identity” iaitu sebagai orang Malaysia, pasti sama sekali tidak boleh berasaskan bangsa atau agama.
Menyingkap apa yang dipercakapkan Guan Eng:
- “being Malaysian should depend on certain universal values — democracy, freedom, justice, integrity and human dignity”
. - “Malaysian First stresses achieving national unity which is based – NOT on race or religion but – on a common identity centered on democracy, freedom, justice, integrity and human dignity”
Muhyiddin yang melihat dirinya Melayu (mengikut Perkara 160 Perlembagaan Persekutuan, seorang Melayu beragama Islam, lazim bertutur bahasa Melayu serta mengamalkan adat dan resam masyarakat Melayu) tidak memenuhi syarat Malaysian First — itu kata DAP.
Mempunyai the Malaysian common identity, Guan Eng dan Hannah Yeoh adalah contoh terulung bagi Malaysian First kerana mereka berbekalkan “national Malaysian consciousness” dan “genuine national spirit”.
Yang patut diteladani orang ramai:
(i) The Malaysian First identity of Guan Eng & Hannah Yeoh is centered on Democracy
(ii) The Malaysian First identity of Guan Eng & Hannah Yeoh is centered on Freedom
(iii) The Malaysian First identity of Guan Eng & Hannah Yeoh is centered on Justice
(iv) The Malaysian First identity of Guan Eng & Hannah Yeoh is centered on Integrity
(v) The Malaysian First identity of Guan Eng & Hannah Yeoh is centered on Human Dignity
Fasal agama, bangsa, budaya dan bahasa itu kita tolak sahaja ke tepi, ujar DAP.
Menyokong atau menentang sekolah vernakular?
Adakah SRJK (C) mendokong Malaysian First berlandaskan tafsiran DAP?
Ingat … DAP ialah “non-racial”.
DAP menghina Umno/United MALAY National Organisation dan MCA/Malaysian CHINESE Association atas kemelayuan dan kecinaan kedua-dua parti itu. Benteng perkauman langsung tidak boleh diterima.
DAP beriya-iya supaya kita “tidak mengenal diri kita berdasarkan warna kulit” serta membantah sijil lahir seseorang kanak-kanak itu wajib diisi dengan butir keturunan.
Seterusnya DAP menuntut supaya etnik anak-anak kita didaftarkan sebagai ‘Bangsa Malaysia’ kesemuanya sepertimana perintis parti tersebut, Hannah Yeoh, pernah cuba untuk mengorak langkah.
Mansuhkan pembahagian rakyat kepada kotak etnik. Itu kehendak DAP yang enggan kita dipecah-belahkan sebagai Melayu, Cina ataupun India tetapi sebaliknya kita mesti bersatu padu sebagai 100% orang Malaysia.
Membina Sekolah Malaysian First
“There is only one Malaysian agenda,” sambung DAP. “There can be no Malay agenda, Chinese agenda, Kadazan agenda, Iban agenda or Indian agenda,” tambah DAP lagi.
Dan apa dia itu jiwa Malaysia?
“Inclusive, tolerant and respects everyone”, kata DAP. “Not one that is filled with hatred, exclusive and intolerant.”
Menolak guru yang tidak mempunyai kepujian dalam Bahasa Cina SPM itu sikap inclusive ke atau exclusive?
Meminta supaya SEMUA guru yang tidak berkelayakan bahasa Cina dipindah keluar dengan SERTA-MERTA membayangkan sifat toleran atau sebaliknya sifat tidak mampu bertolak-ansur dan tidak boleh dibawa berbincang?
SRJK (C) itu apa? C=Cina
Mengikut rumusan DAP, kita harus buang sahaja huruf (C) itu!
Kita gantikan dengan SRJK (MF), yakni sekolah kebangsaan berwawasan Malaysian First. Dengan itu tercapailah impian DAP.
SRJK (MF) hanya perlu beridentitikan democracy, freedom, justice, integrity and human dignity — cukup Malaysian dah tu.
Jadi tiada sebab musabab sesebuah SRJK (MF) perlu bercirikan Cina. Inilah logiknya ikut hujah, agenda dan perjuangan parti.
Lagipun parti berkeahlian majmuk DAP nampak begitu pantang dengan (C).
Maka wajar Guan Eng selaku setiausaha agung serta idealogue DAP cepat-cepat membimbing dan mendidik DJZ dalam hal mudah ini, bukan?
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Bagaimana Lim Guan Eng boleh mengajar Dong Zong sesuatu, masakan Pengerusi Dong Zong Yap mengaku dia ada dua PhD?
Tetapi di katakan PhD tipu, di beli dari Internet, dari pihak yang tidak ada kampus, bilik kuliah dsbnya, hanya pejabat yang menggunaka nama universiti di California, telah di dapati “bogus” dan di tutup oleh pihak berkuasa Amerika dalam tahun 1990an.
Berita berikut ada menerangkannya (jika tidak benar, sila beri tahu, Helen):
http://mstar.com.my/berita/cerita.asp?file=/2012/4/1/mstar_
berita/20120331192300&sec=mstar_berita
Pengerusi Dong Zong, Dr Yap Didakwa Miliki PhD Palsu
Oleh NURUL AIN MOHD HUSSAIN
PETALING JAYA: Pengerusi Persatuan Gabungan Jawatankuasa Sekolah China (Dong Zong), Dr Yap Sin Tian didakwa membeli ijazah kedoktoran (PhD) palsu di Internet.
Penulis blog ‘Stop The Lies’ mendakwa dia mempunyai cukup bukti bahawa Yap membeli ijazah tersebut dan beliau telah memperdaya ramai pihak terutamanya dalam isu melibatkan pendidikan Cina di negara ini.
“Dalam tempoh beberapa tahun beliau (Yap) telah memperdaya orang ramai termasuk beberapa ahli kumpulan pendidikan Cina berhubung kelayakannya yang palsu.
“Beliau dengan bangga telah mempamerkan resumenya di laman web, Oriental Strategy Research Centre di mana beliau juga merupakan pengarah di sana,” kata penulis blog tersebut dalam entri terbarunya, pada Sabtu.
Mengulas lanjut, penulis tersebut berkata Yap didakwa mendapat Ijazah Kedoktoran dalam bidang Pengurusan Perniagaan daripada Universiti Southern Cross, Australia pada 1999.
“Selain itu, Yap turut mendakwa beliau mempunyai dua lagi, PhD dari Universiti Kesington Amerika Syarikat pada 1993 dan ijazah sarjana dalam bidang Pentadbiran Perniagaan pada 1991 di universiti yang sama.
“Semakan kami mendapati Universiti Kesington tidak mempunyai bilik kuliah, tiada makmal mahupun asrama. Ini adalah satu perkara yang pelik. Universiti tersebut hanya memiliki sebuah pejabat kecil di Glendale, California,” katanya.
Bukan itu sahaja, penulis blog tersebut mendakwa universiti berkenaan membenarkan pelajarnya mendapat ijazah sarjana muda hingga PhD tanpa perlu hadir dalam sebarang kelas.
“Universiti berkenaan turut didapati mengambil pelajar yang tidak layak dan mereka dikurniakan ijazah kedoktoran dengan hanya membaca majalah dan membuat beberapa laporan ringkas daripada surat khabar.
“Pihak pengurusan juga mengurniakan PhD dengan tempoh belajar yang singkat selama empat bulan sahaja,” katanya.
Bagaimanapun, penulis tersebut berkata pihak berkuasa California telah menutup universiti berkenaan pada 1996, selepas mendapat perintah mahkamah.
“Ini jelas menunjukkan Yap secara bangga telah memaparkan PhD yang palsu. Laporan mengenai isu universiti ini dipaparkan dalam Los Angles Times.
“Justeru mereka yang meminati Yap perlu bangun dan membuat kajian mengenai karakter individu ini. Maklumat mengenainya sangat mudah diperolehi anda hanya perlu membuat carian di Internet,” ujar penulis tersebut.
Dalam kes ini, penulis mendakwa Yap bukan sahaja memiliki satu malah dua PhD palsu daripada universiti yang tidak diiktiraf dan telah pun ditutup oleh pihak berkuasa.”
The guilty man who is responsible for dismantling bahasa Melayu as the Lingua franca of Malaysians is that half Indian Mahathir s/o Iskandar Kutty alias Mohamed.
Growing up Mahathir had to live with constant jibe India balek kampung among the Malay youth just like Farish Noor had experienced as he retold his trauma in an interview.
Thus Mahathir act of hiding his Indianness was a masterful act to destroy Malay in Tanah Melayu by saying Malay is not suitable for Sains and Matematik.
No, no only the english are good in science as if China speak english or Japanese world class technologies speak english.
No Malay in his right mind would propose such a policy not unless he is Indian.
The current Malaysian situation is akin prior to May 13. Again the Malays are marginalised this time by a half Indian while the Chinese become billionaires and gambling, power or airlines are given to Hindus like Ananda and Tony Fernandes.
The Glib Mahathir would spout facts which wold be repaeated by Khairy and umno goons, 42 billions have been allocated to Malays but they have been sold off. So now the UMNO Government is not going to give anymore to the Malays??!!
Such akal keling logik. Who bought the 42 billion? The chinese. Where did the 42 billions goes? To the Malays. So is that wrong? If that is wrong and to ensure widespread Malay ownership, better methods should be thought off instead of fawning to the Chinese capitalists.
Trust funds, cooperatives etc are ways to keep funds in Malays hand for long periods.
But the Malays forget they are dealing with akal keling. Such gems from Mahathir must be repeated so we Malays dont forget who we are dealing with. “IF we are to share our wealth equally then we would only share poverty.”
Therefore let Kuok, Ananda, Vincent Tan be billionaires and my sons be billionaires hehehe..
The rest can be poor.
Or what about “If everyone is a millionaire then things would be expensive” So let my sons only be millionaires.. and the Malays lapped it up because they cannot connect the dots..
It is only now that Mahathir Keling father has been exposed. It explains a lot irrational acts which we thought were hidden genius but in fact a plot against the Malays.
For example. Another Mahathir genius, we only want 30% of the wealth for the 70 of the population, the Chinese should not mind. The 2 % of that would benefit would be my sons of course hehe.
We will achieve this by expanding the cake and not by taking from the Chinese. What this means that Kuok and ANanda, would be come continuosly richer, the rich become richer while the Malays share 30% among 70%!
Such akal keling..haha.
dude, lu tongsan mari ka?
“hanya perlu beridentitikan democracy, freedom, justice, integrity and human dignity”
hmmmm bukan dah banyak developed/developing countries adopt this kind of identiti ke? so apa yang MALAYSIA sangat tu wahai dapsters oiii
or maybe DAP should write to all published dictionaries, authorities governing nations etc to erase this common understanding of what NATIONAL IDENTITY as per defined
“A nation is a group of people who share culture, ethnic origin and language, often possessing or seeking its own independent government”
to their own definition ” A nation is a group of people who share democracy, freedom, justice, integrity and human dignity whereby culture, ethnic origin and language are of no importance”??
LIM GUAN ENG is a just a great LIAR, he is like Anwar, easily forgets what he has said. In Malay, he has “lidah biawak”. In 2008 he accused former Petronas CEO, Tan Sri Merican as [*** baca laporan Bernama sini – edited by Helen].
Yet unashamsedly in Parliament he accused BN Govt of ignoring Tan Sri Merican’s calibre and allowing Tan Sri to accept Singapore’s lucrative offer.
What type of person this, as a Malay proverb “Bapa borek anak rintek” or like father like son.
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LGE is the Father of all DAPsters, and as they say: DAPster is as DAPster does. — Helen
Helen;
We trust what we like, we write what we choose, we side who we believe, we are even, in-term of corrupt mind and spreading hatred.
You accused DAPsters sexist, you accused DAPster bidap, you accused Dapsters hypocrite.
We accused Umno’s Bung Moktar sexist, we accused many BN leader are sexist, we accused many BN leaders behave biadap in parliament, we accused many BN leaders hypocrite, we accused BN leaders corrupts.
The difference, however, between DAPsters and people like you, Helen and BN’s leaders. We are DAPster, I takda belajar tinggi, I sekolah ground-floor sahaja. But we look upon people like you, a writer to share some lights. Those leaders to give us some good example, by walking the talk, give us hopes, guild us some good morals, show us what good governance is.
Forgive me as emotional DAPsters, talks sexist, talks racist, talk fictions, we are commoners. Why don’t you go write something like institutional racism, leaders that hold on to their sexist talk, racist talk, that would free you being the petty writer. Doing so, you do not need to write so long in the future.
We agreed, there are PR’s leaders that not up to mark in-term of good governance. But many of them give us hope, give us dream. Hopes and dreams that we dare not expect prior 308.
Beneath LGE’s Burlcream waxy hairdo, I see courage, I see principles, I see moral. That principles, that moral courage fills perfectly to the vacuum of accountability in M’sia politic. Maybe, DJZ thirst with these moral courages of him after DJZ fails their mission of sending 4 of their PHD holders “‘into BN, to right BN”, for that we shared DJZ’s paints. From LGE’s past deeds, we see his principles/moral ground, from his speeches we see hopes. LGE is not perfect, he is human, whether power corrupts him or not, as what master Oogwai said “Yesterday a history, tomorrow a mystery, today is the gift!” treasure the gift of today.
I vote for LGE, DAP to lead the way into better M’sia. More importantly I vote PR hopig BN can change for good, by getting them a competitor, get them out of comfort zone, out of arrogant, out of corruption. Buddish said “letting is receiving”, it is time let the old go, receive a new dawn. Getting back our good governance, build our system, protect the system from abuses. Trust the good governance, trust the system, the process that yield good governance, don’t trust me, don’t trust Anwar, LGE, Najib, Muyyidin, Bung Moktar and Helen Ang.
We, DApsters, learn a lot from the parliament, we get how to beat a woman down from Bung Moktar. We learn how to spread hatred from blog like yours, we learn how to comments like you fan boys, we learn how to selectively, bold statement to your advantage, and we learn how to be write petty, to self-pity…. at the end trade our soul for whatever reason.
I am through, you go ahead!. I am going back to work, I think, I have to spend time for soul searching see if I have traded it for a sweat..
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Tsk, tsk, tsk Pala Richie.
The other provocations in your blitzkrieg are par for the course, yawn, but this comment above — sad, real sad. And that’s the main symptom I notice among DAPsters.
You insinuate smears (linking me with untrustworthy politicians) but ignore what is fact (those who are indisputably the career politicians). Or you insinuate that individual bloggers “sell their souls” but ignore that your attack dog portals most clearly require tens of thousands of ringgit operating cost a month.
Why even bother to smear me (through guilt by association with politicians) when I’ve never ever been a member of any political party in all my life?
Read my lips: Hannah Yeoh. Politician. And she’d definitely have blocked anyone in double quick time before such as the likes of you can even manage to type your second comment in her space.
Ouuch!.. Helen.
No need to read my lips, (don’t assume everyone like you, some just don’t type with lips), watch my finger!: Dr.Bharathi Vengadasalam, Consultant Psychiatrist Pantai Hospt, he can help you.
Pala , you recomending us LGE psychiatrist, or your familys own?.’ ;) ;0
Haiya, you drop the soap.
Pala BYe the way we know how evil BN can be , its a devil we know well.
But we are not letting the NEW devil, pretending to be an angelic Mischief minister get away.
So in away, we are amature ghost busters . we see two political devils., how come you only see one?
Abang K’panjang,this Pala Richie don’t need the soap lah sbb anu dia x sunat,dia main dengan kulit anu dia yang x sunat je,hic hic hic
Rather late a reply to Pala, and haven’t seen him out for several days now, but here goes:
Good that you acknowledge that “there are PR’s leaders that not up to mark in-term of good governance.” But we believe that they give hope and dream to only your lot, not to others. We have even seen our hopes and dreams fulfilled these past 54 years. Not all, but many.
But we fear PR leaders would bring the country to destruction. DAP is anti-Malay and anti-Islam. The so-called Malaysian Malaysia slogan is anti-Malay, is subversive to the Special Position of the Malays and the Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak, wanting equality without acknowledging that Special Position. DAP is on record for causing the race riots of 1969. The White Paper produced by the National Operations Council explained it. The booklet “13 May A Tragedy” also produced by the NOC provided details on DAP words and deeds prior to, during and after the 1969 General Elections that led to the riots. If your kind of leaders are allowed to be in Putrajaya, Malaysia will be mired in endless race problems and flare ups if not riots again.
Beneath LGE’s Burlcream waxy hairdo, I see every bit of his father, LKS. The man largely responsible for the words and deeds leading to the race riots. I see no principles, no moral. Even hoodwinking the public that he erased a RM600 million debt in 3 years. When in fact it was a matter of accounting (did some one say he failed in accountancy?), not recording in the books the RM600 debt owed to the Federal Government when the water facilities for Penang were handed over to the state. By agreement the RM600 mill was to have been repaid in annual installments, and he had those treated as hire purchase or something, and the RM600 mill debt was said to have been “settled” by him. What principle, what moral is that?
What “DJZ fails their mission of sending 4 of their PHD holders “‘into BN, to right BN” is that? When the DJZ Chirman himself is claiming to have 2 PhDs that are said to be bought through the Internet from a bogus US university that was subsequently found out and closed in the 1990s. Read the comment containing information on this above.
You may dream LGE. But when you quote whoever saying “Yesterday a history, tomorrow a mystery, today is the gift!”, I hope God’ll help you when you find that the man who shouts so much about corruption may himself not be free from it, as can be seen from the bull dozing (word used in the Chinese papers) of the decision on the billion Ringgit sPICE project given to his crony, the supposedly tendered but otherwise negotiated sale of the 100 acre Bayan Baru State land worth RM1.07 billion, and the many billion Ringgit expressways.
richie pala,” you drop your soap” pon yu tak faham, haha…………..
Bro K’Panjang,may I suggest this Bala Richie pinjam Brylcreem LGE je,for all we know its better than the soap yg bro Bala Richie drop nih.Rasanya nye aneh ni slow sikit lah,maybe the brain is still covered with a foreskin just like his other small head,hahaha.
hi five,pendek
KtPg,thanks but hi five plus one for aneh Bala Richik
Selamat sejahtera Kak Helen,
Kak Helen adalah gelaran yang sesuai kerana Kakak kelihatan lebih tua dari saya. Inilah sikap yang telah lama kita lupakan. Hormat-menghormati diantara satu sama lain walaupun berlainan kaum dan agama. Sebenarnya apa yang berlaku sekarang amat-amat merisaukan saya. Kebencian demi kebencian ditanam didalam minda anak-anak kita sejak belum bermulanya persekolahan lagi.
Sejak dari pra sekolah mereka diasingkan sehinggalah ke alam pekerjaan, melayu berkawan sesama melayu, cina dengan kaum cina sahaja dan begitulah juga dengan kaum-kaum lain dinegara ini.
Kenapa boleh terjadinya pemisahan etnik ini? Jawapannya mudah bagi saya, memang dari pra sekolah lagi kita telah diasuh untuk berprejudis terhadap kaum lain.
Mana mungkin seorang yang berbangsa Melayu, menetap dikalangan orang Melayu (sekampung atau satu kawasan perumahan dengan orang Melayu yang sudah tentu kawan sepermainannya ialah orang Melayu), bersekolah disekolah yang hampir kesemuanya berbangsa Melayu kemudian membesar dan bekerja dan berkawan rapat dengan seorang yang berbangsa cina atau india. Begitulah sebaliknya.
Inilah sebenarnya masalah kita. Saya anggap mungkin ramai orang yang bersetuju dengan pendapat saya ini. Sejak dari kecil kita tidak didedahkan dengan adat dan budaya kaum lain, sehingga kita tidak kisah samaada tindakan kita secara sengaja atau tidak mengguris hati penganut agama atau kaum lain.
Saya sebagai orang melayu dan saya yakin sebahagian besar orang-orang Melayu tidak mahu apa-apa yang lebih selain dari kaum-kaum lain menghormati HAK kami seperti yang telah termaktub didalam Perlembagaan. Jangan ganggu agama kami yakni Islam sebagai agama rasmi (pertikai azan & mempermain-mainkan Al-Quran dsb), Mendaulatkan dan menghormati Sultan-Sultan kami, menghormati bahasa kami sebagai bahasa kebangsaan (gunakan dalam majlis rasmi atau iklan dan setiap warganegara patut faham dan mampu bertutur walaupun tidak fasih) dan hak-hak lain yang telah termaktub dalam Perlembagaan.
Saya amat yakin dan percaya, jika kaum-kaum lain menghormati Perlembagaan dan Hak orang Melayu, dan jika (tetapi macam mustahil ini boleh berlaku) sistem satu sekolah kita perkenalkan dimana anak-anak kita dapat berinteraksi dan bergaul sesama mereka dari peringkat pra sekolah lagi, mereka mungkin dapat menjadi Bangsa Malaysia yang sebenar (Menghormati agama, adat dan budaya kaum lain dinegara ini tanpa sikap prejudis). Saya hanyalah seorang Melayu yang mahukan keamanan negara terpelihara, dan amat-amat membenci orang yang suka membuat provokasi melampau yang mampu mencetuskan perbalahan / rusuhan antara kaum.
Saya lahir selepas peristiwa 13 Mei (dlm lingkungan 30an sekarang) dan tidak mahu perkara seperti itu berulang. Tidak ada sesiapa yang akan mendapat keuntungan dari peristiwa seperti itu. Orang-orang yang mencetuskannya boleh saja lari keluar negara, tetapi bagaimana dengan rakyat kebanyakan. Jangan jahanamkan negara ini hanya kerana orang-orang yang ingin berkuasa tetapi sanggup menghancurkan perpaduan dan secara tidak langsung menghancurkan negara ini.
Hanya kerana nila setitik, rosak susu sebelanga..fahami betul-betul peribahasa ini..Terima kasih Kak Helen kerana mengizinkan saya menulis.
– Orang Melayu Pulau Pinang.
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TQ. Gelaran ‘Kak’ is fine. — Helen
Helen,
What you are saying is logically and sensible. The questions that you have raised are reasonable. However we need to understand that we are not dealing with neither reasonable nor sensible people.
The typical DAPster/DAPfan is a person whom logic and reason of the rest of the mankind applies. He/she lives on his/her own universe where laws, ethics,principles,etc only applies to DAP’s opponents. Such minor issues do not apply to DAP or their declared partners via marriage of political convenient (ie. PKR/PAS).
I am a student of the philosophy of science so let me analyse these DAPsters’ psyche in those trems. The typical DAPster start with the axiom that DAP and their leaders can do no wrong and what they say are absolute truth. Using these 2 axioms they intepret and see the world. So no matter what you and me argue using facts and reason will fail to convince them for their world-view is based on the assumption that DAP is the Truth and their leaders are Gods. So there is absolutely no point in arguing. I have given up even arguing with these DAPsters as it is just a waste of my time and energy.
Hope this clarify one of the great mysteries of Malaysian politics. BTW, DAP is not alone.The same goes to the Taliban core supporters of PAS.
Argue with them we must. Don’t let them get away thinking they can say anything they like without being told off, their arguments shattered, or at least neutralized, at the minimum, questioned.
It matters not whether they respond or argue back sensibly. As long as they are seen being accosted verbally. They must not be allowed to misbehave with impunity. They must be challenged as and when we have the time.
Hi Anon,
The way I deal with DAPters is this. I let them articuate their positions and play along and ask some questions along the way. Once they finish their (long-winded) reply I point out rather innocently) the complete absence of logic and sense in their reply. Nothing makes them riled up as much unable to convert another person to dapsterism. I sense that these DAPsters have the same sense of mission and absolute certainity to their beliefs as the Christian preachers that we see in the US South. They literally froth at their mouth when they speak of the “evil BN/UMNO” regime. And their faces lit up when they talk about the Great Chinese Hope.
anon 2,53 pakai la “nick name” supaya kami akan dapat ikut pandangan yu di lain topik.
Calvin,
When you write this, I see their resemblance more to PAS. They are learning from pas or PASter. Back in the day before the marriage of convenience, PAS is known among PASter as a party who can do no wrong. Law, ethics, principles only apply to PAS opponents. Pas can mencarut, fitnah and do whatever that are against the Islamic law and yet it will be fine. They can call Anwar Ibrahim al-Juburi and that is fine. No need of such thing as Qazaf. They do not need proof to confirm that Najib kill Altantuya. Hypocrisy does not apply to them, only to their opponent.
I thought Chinese are sensible person, but it appears not with the birth of DAPster.
No wonder DAP and PAS can be such a good friend.
Is this the fault of our education system that produces unthinking people?
Grandmarquis
I tend to concur with you as I have plenty of interactions with PASters or the local Talibans. I used to attend PAS ceramah even during my younger days. They are exactly the same as the DAPsters.
You are right in the rise of the DAPsters. The Chinese typically do not get emotional when it comes to politics. This is a very recent trend. I think one of the reason is the programming by the media especially the Chinese MSM and the portals such as MKini. Before the GE13 I had observed this trend. My whole office area was decorated with the DAP soft toys. Some clowns even had DAP screensavers on their company PCs and notebooks. Our HR department, which is usually very anal-retentive and petty, indirecty encouraged this. It took a few choice words to our VP of HR to bring the curtain down on this celebration of DAPism. So you can guess I unpopular I was with the DAPsters of my company.
Helen, I have recieved some infomation that DAP’s cyber army is rapidly expanding and will be starting a major offensive in view of the impending GE.
So far they have been focusing on shaping people’s opinion and also to attack MCA. But I suspect with their increased resources they will be able to target all blogs that are critical of DAP. As such,don’t be surprised if your blog is targetted to.
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Not at all surprised, Calvin. In fact the DAPster terracotta warriors are already here. Cheers — Helen
Calvin, DAPsters and PASsters are not political parties, they are cults. That why, their follower behaves like drone and zombies. You have to deprogram them.
P.S. My DAPmmunist tag line real hit a nerve,.
Helen, TAKE CARE, there something in the DAPmmunist , wood works just for you.
Thanks kaypee. It’s the heat I have to take for stubbornly choosing to stay in the kitchen.
Only that the attacks have intensified of late but they’ve been running the smear campaign against me for quite a while now. Especially in the opposition portals making it almost impossible for my article to appear without it being molested by a barrage of character assassination.
The pity of this all is that through their relentless DAPster tactics, the possibility of any counter arguments/opinions from people who genuinely disagree with the herd mentality found in those places is whittled down to near zero.
Let the DAPster cult chant mind-numbingly in their echo chambers. There’s little we can do to reach them.
Have faith in your fellow malaysian, orang dah banyak meluat dengan hate politik mainan PR . Dia orang ni pentingkan “menang sorak”, tong kosong.
I am looking foward
We choose the battle fronts. The ones most effective to get our bullets through. The abusive and incorrigible ones are not worth to bother. The others, in blogs where the less hardcore fellows visit without leaving comments – like this one – may be prioritized.
P.S. i am rather proud of my nick, please don’t “sunat” it.
kaypee, just doesn’t sound as dangerous or macho as KOTAYPANJANG.
yah- yah, i know what they say about people who longggggggggg nicknames, they got biggggggggggggg feet.
;) ;):) smile
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Aiiiyoh, how to expect Mekyam & I to type out your nick in full. — Helen
Yes, they are cults indeed.
How does KPanjang sound , ok?. It sure sound better sound better than kaypee.
You only snip off a little,on the front end.but keeping it’s desirable appendix intact. At least it remain macho………hehehehe
i ment appendage intact…….. :0
Just thought you might like to know of a concrete example, Calvin.
Have a look at this posting: Guan Eng masih lagi mahu pusing hal Johor itu
It touches on his remarks a few months back about the crime rate in Johor made at a function and first exposed by the blogger Big Cat. As usual, he slithered until an audio recording was made available and released by TV3.
That function – where he slandered Johor & later had to apologize to the Sultan – was organized with the Foreign Correspondents Club (FCC) of S’pore.
Following on a few weeks, I was fortunate enough to be invited to a separate but similarly themed function (an evening of casual chat with LGE) held in KL by the FCC of M’sia.
My report here.
After I blogged the above, I’ve never again been invited to another FCC function even tho’ previously I used to get their invitations.
We can’t forget that last year he had 28 staff in his Penang CM’s office alone, many of whom are in the media department and his press secretaries. (Koh Tsu Koon only had 13)
I wouldn’t put it pass them to have already doubled the intake to 56 in the psy-war nerve centre of Komtar.
Helen you are not the only one. Let me share with you my experience. I had written a letter to question a highly suspicious monorail deal by LGE’s CAT govt. Instead of answering the questions I had raised, he sued the NST for defamation even though I did not make any accusations. Sometimes later the issue was settled but I heard from some sources within the NST that one of the condition of the settlement was not to publish my letters anymore.
I had been critical of LGE after the GE13. But these were not like Jackson Ng/ Selena Tay style dumb bashing but with facts and figures and objective criticisms on real issues of importance. Initially LGE tried to counter attack me using the usual DAPster’s tactics and when that failed his aide actually wanted to do a deal with me, no doubt to buy and silence me. When I refused, they managed to get Mkini and Minsider to ban my letters.
What is even more worrying is that the STAR and the Sun are riddled DAPsters. In fact some of my personal information was leaked to KOMTAR’s Gestapo. While I am not sure which paper or who leaked it, but it is highly worrying that such information can reach DAPsters.
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About your personal details leaked to KOMTAR’s Gestapo, it’s not only you or me (who write publicly) but other critics (non writers) who have the temerity to cross LGE’s path becoming marked men as well. And yes, the media IS indeed riddled with DAPsters even tho’ the media owners may be BN parties. — Helen
Like all typical Mandarin Imperial Socialist regime…Generalismo LGE is seen by its party followers and its axis partners (such as PAS & PKR) as eternal Chief Minister of Penang……
Dear Helen,
A good fine scalpel you got there dissecting Lim Guan Eng on his hypocritical Malaysian First idealogy.. A good read.
Thanks.
JMD-
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Same-same. — Helen
Helen,
“Malaysian Malaysia” is the ideal concept from the viewpoint of DAP.
But to majority of Malays, it is sugar coated “Cina malaysia” where evreything revolves around Chinese interests ONLY.
I have nothing against the Chinese. I work in Chinese based environment. But I can not stand DAP accusation that UMNO is racial( meaning the Malays are racist) every times UMNO speaks on Malay views, aspirations, concern).
To me DAP is hypocrite. It cries out loud about Malaysians being segregated. Yet it refuses to see that the seed of separation starts with separate school system.
One DAP politician, Hannah, protested the “race” identity of her daughter as listed in Surat Beranak. But she says nothing about students studying separately .
I hate it when some Chinese complain why they must tick “race” in official document. Is it really a hassle to tick whether you are Malay, Chinese, or Indians, I asked one of my Chinese friend. BUt you do not find it wrong to go to different schools based on race.
Malays find it amusing and yet insulting at the same time when Indians are provoked when a temple is demolished ( but replaced by a new temple) when the number of temple exceeds that of mosques and surau combined together in Selangor.
Strange is it not? tHe number of Muslims in selangor is 4 times than thaf of the Indians.
By all means. Malays have nothing against non Malays asking for their rights. But must they “wage war” against entire Muslim population in order to get the rights.
What rights of non Malays being denied? Are they not allowed to practise their faith? are they not allowed to speak in their mother tounges? Are they not allowed to be involved in business?
In Malay community, only Sultans are accorded funeral procession. But in some community, almost everybody when die are allowed street procession , irritating motorists and caused unnecessary traffic jam.
As for DAP, i find it as arrogant. Guan Eng for example will attack you personally if he is questioned. His trademark is that you must be UMNO lackey to question him
He is of course cultivate the notion that questioning him as blasphemy. As if he is an immortal.
By the way, why he is rthe Chief Minister of penang. should not the post goes to Penang DAP Chairman.? I understand Azizan is MB for Kedah as he is PAS State Commisioner. I agree Mohd Hassan as MB of Negri Sembilan as he is UMNO State Chairman. I am not surprise kHalid is Selangor MB because at time of his appointment, he is SElangor PKR Chief.
But why is Guan eng is Penang CM? Because of the “dynastic” inherent nature of DAP. Every measure pf power must have something to do with Kit Siang. And DAP it it “democratic”.
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My next posting actually covers some of the ground that you mention e.g. “One DAP politician, Hannah, protested the ‘race’ identity of her daughter as listed in Surat Beranak. But she says nothing about students studying separately.”
Actually she did, recently by implying that you’re a “racist” for bringing up the matter. Watch this space. I’ll upload Part II of this topic continuation shortly. — Helen
Just a humble opinion…
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Actually, the primary chinese school may be the source of divide between races.
40 + years ago, primary schools pupil mixed freely among each other unaware of “races”.
Then when they grow up and climb the affluence ladder, their children are sent to the costly primary chinese school.
When these children grows up and goes to secondary schools, they would only mix among themselves. Inter-race touch are only few and far between . No inter-race best friends. These generations are now the present fresh grads whom have just entered the workforce.
Now even more susah. SRJK schools in my area are almost devoid of chinese pupils. How can they ,the innocent ones find time to interract with each other apart from bumping into each others in shopping complexes/LRTs?.
Come 10-20 years, later relationship may become worse, as these children would grow up without having any best friend from other races, more so when “brainwashed” by politically fierce parents, if any
Think of the future.
We need each others.
Malaysia is like a small boat that needs a good balance as good as she sails.
For the want of Chinese language skill, SRJK schools can have these classes. SRJK schools can also copycat the experiences of maintaining diligence and good scores of chinese schools.
It would be very good to have combo school.
Everybody wins, in the long run.
Dear Helen, to ease the problem of having suspicious among races in Malaysia by creating one place where everybody can stay together. It must be started earlier at the young age. The solving method is by putting young generation in one school…One School One Nation…Sekolah Wawasan.
salam utk sahabat.
Maaf saya lambat utk mengetahui keujudan blog yg mengundang 1 paradigma yg baru dlm berhujah.
Salam perjuangan utk sahabat.
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Terima kasih dan harap-harap boleh tolong sebarkan. Ceritanya saya terpaksa membuka blog sendiri gara-gara bala tentera terracota Dynasti Lim mempraktikkan dasar ‘scorched earth’ (hancurkan ‘musuh’/pengkritik tujuh keturunan) melalui penguasaan mereka yang menyeluruh ke atas portal-portal berita bahasa Inggeris.– Helen
Helen,
I didn’t want to share this thought until DAP played their game to the end and tip them off.
You see DAP made a huge, strategic and irreversible mistake in joining hand with DJZ and taking part in the 325 rally (notice another DAPsters’ trait – the usage of numbers to name their rally ?).
We all know that DAPsters have the Chinese votes in their pocket (up to 80% by some estimate). As such the real challenge is to win the Malay votes. But by associating with DJZ, an organization seen by most Malays as neo-PKM, DAP only strengthened their belief that DAP is a Chinese racist and chauvinist party that out to take away NEP and bumi special rights. The kinds of demands that DJZ made was widely published in the Malay media and TV3. The violent 325 rally was widely covered too. The attack on Wee was seen as an attack on a moderate Chinese by commie-loving Chinese. Thus by associating with DJZ, DAP has destroyed whatever goodwill it had built post GE13 with the Malay community. Remember,the Malays abhor the communists and they have not forgotten how the Chinese groups (supported by DAP and PAS) were demanding Chin Peng to be allowed to return to Malaysia and that the Bukit Kepong real heroes were communists.
LGE, the wannabe Khalifah also badly miscalculated by getting into the fray. All the Khalifah acts and qurannic verses quoting have gone down the drain as the Malays would view him as the modern day Chin Peng.
I know this going to backfire DAP when they first announced their support to DJZ but knowing DAPsters often visit your blog, I did not want to tip them off.
It only shows how stupid DAP’s strategists are, with the likes of Tony Pua and Liew Chin Tong what can we expect anyway. I guess their emotional and egoistical need to attack and kill MCA blinded their rational faculties. They were still sore over the mauling CSL gave their Dear Leader during the debate so I guess they wanted to get back at MCA withot=ut considering the repercussions.
I can see UMNO campaigners in GE14 will latch upon DAP’s support of DJZ and their participation and defence of the 325 rally as the proof that DAP is indeed an extremist party and anti-Malay.
With this, DAP has dug a hole to bury themselves in.
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Concur with your analysis, Calvin. Outside of election politics, the saddest part is that misconceived alignment of DJZ with DAP has hurt the cause of Chinese education. The Chinese community built the schools brick by brick & have gone through so much to keep the schools running & now it’s all thrown away just like that (the start of the beginning of the end) b’cos of certain egotistical, power hungry individuals in a destructive party that has only just tasted power & want more of it. — Helen
apa boleh buat LGE is a big’ ÉGOTESTICAlL’ person, chinese call it TUA LAMPA.
He got bigger balls than brain, it a family trait. the realy piss off the malay.
As helen say’s ,the payback awaiting the chinese community will be a bitch.
Helen,
The Chinese community must now decide whether they want the time tested formula of UMNO-mCA alliance or make MCA irrelevant by not voting for it.
My advice to Chinese community is to stop using DAP to make threat to UMNO ( and meaning the Malays). By supporting DAP, Chinese community is saying they they will adopt confrontational way in dealing wuth the Malays.
Already Najib is under pressure not to put MCA in Malay majority area.
Remember, goodwill needs to be earned. And do remember, Malays reject any alliance with the Chinese if the alliance means they will “kowtow” to the Chinese.
PAS will learn about this the hard way .
An astute observation, mr Shamshul.
I strongly recommend every Malaysian to ponder it thoroughly.
I am saying this because there is a limit to everything. To date, Malaysians regardless of race and religion can make literal fortunes within these borders if they have a mind for it. And they did it without having to test the limit.
So why do it now?
Seriously, we’ve all gotten along before this. We can do it again.
Kerakusan dan keangkuhan DAP sudah melampau. Demi mengejar kuasa walaupun mereka adalah minoriti, DAP sanggup menghina dan memperlekehkan bangsa majoriti dengan sikap kepura-puraan mereka.
Apabila DAP mengaku kononnya mereka memperjuangkan kepentingan bangsa Melayu, mereka telah melakukan kesilapan besar. bayangkan jika UMNO mengaku bahawa parti itu memperjuangkan kepentingan bangsa Cina, sudah tentu UMNO akan ditertawakan. Atau jika PAS mengaku bahawa partinya memperjuangkan kepentingan bangsa India, sudah pasti mereka akan ditertawakan.
Jelas di sini, dalam beriya-iya mahu menjadi pejuang bangsa Melayu kononnya, DAP telah terlebih melakonkan tembelang hipokrasi mereka.
Undi bangsa majoriti sudah pasti tidak lagi kepada DAP yang dikuasai oleh satu bangsa yang amat kiasu. Bagaimana mereka mahu memimpin negara ini jika mereka dengan angkuh, biadap dan sombong bermegah bahawa 80% bangsa Cina menyokong DAP?
Saya dan isteri memangkah PAS di Titiwangsa pada PRU12. Sudah pasti undi kami tidak lagi kepada PAS kali ini kerana mereka berpihak dengan DAP. PKR? Di kawasan saya sekitar Kpg Pandan, sudah ramai yang sudah malu untuk mengaku bahawa mereka masih menyokong PKR. Ini termasuk ramai saudara mara saya.
Sebenarnya, orang melayu di kawasan kami tidak kisah untuk pangkah UMNO atau PAS. Namun, tindakan agresif dan biadap DAP serta masalah Anwar Ibrahim yang dipandang remeh oleh PAS telah mengubah segala-galanya.
Biarlah DAP merasa sudah besar kepala. Tunggulah PRU13 Insyallah kami kembali di pihak yang lebih rasional walaupun tidak sempurna. Lagipun, nobody is perfect, except maybe Anwar Ibrahim and hannah yeoh perhaps.
”Biarlah DAP merasa sudah besar kepala. Tunggulah PRU13 Insyallah kami kembali di pihak yang lebih rasional walaupun tidak sempurna. Lagipun, nobody is perfect, except maybe Anwar Ibrahim and hannah yeoh perhaps.”
TEPAT SEKALI
K’panjang tau tak kenapa puak Dapsters ni besar kepala sangat,sebab mereka ni memang golongan terpelajar and normally theybare succesful in life,driving good cars and live in nice houses,from my observation,derang ni when they have all this derang memang sangat sombong,normally their primary education its either SRJKC or Mission School.These people are always greedy,they always want more in everything and they will bribe and cheat along the way to satisfy their greedy lust.So now they have everything and now they want power and they have funds from American and Jews NGO’s and also from.Mr.Anwar
helen ,
this statement reflects a certain mindset by the dapsters in penang (Penang DAP faces ‘a dozen dangerous seats by susan loone)
the best part is that,nobody condemn this outright racist comment (dap mah! we are malaysia malaysian) in the commentery box.
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I wonder how non-DAPsters cope with living on the same island? [The Rayer fella is islander] — Helen
Helen– did you notice there is a DAPster regular in MKini comments section goes by the name”Black Metallic” ?
Truth – This is typical of the DAPsters’ mentality. I am a Penangite and I can tell you that DAPsters don’t respect the non Chinese PR leaders at all (except Karpal). DPM1 and DPM2 are merely for decorations and many DAPsters would not able to name or recognize them. I remember attending a few functions where DPM 1 and 2 attended. Most of the crowd usually greet and shake hands with DAP state leaders but DPM1 and DPM2 are ignored. I once pointed out to a DAPster friend to DPM2 and asked why he was left alone at the table and noone was talking to him. He couldn’t even recognise Prof Rama or his post as DPM2.That’s the reality of DAP’s Malaysia First.
I expect changes in Penang DAP line-up. If you notice, DAP fielded a number of Indians in Penang purely to take advantage of the Indian anger in the aftermath of Hindraf’s rally.
Oops…should be DCM1 and 2.
DAPsters = hawkish
Peace and economic fruits = compromise and cooperation
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LOL. You’re so nice to use such a mild word. — Helen
Pak Awar offers to “burn” the PTPN loans are just marketing plans to fish votes. Surely the PTPN loan will be abolished should that happened. RM43b of rakyat money gone. How about the new ones who need the money to roll for their studies? Are these just one of the sweet nothings to fish for votes?
Currently govt is giving a lot of leeway/chance to these PTPN debtors to pay up. Knows of few fellows who are dragging their feet to pay.
Who are the good guys here?
And does everybody knows that currently govt has a AKPK agency (http://www.akpk.org.my/) to help people straddled with lots of mastercard or personal debt – they “force” the bank to accept the repayment plan while withholding any legal action. Pls check for yourself but what I hear is that the repayment terms are bad for the bank – payments terms stretched quite long and no interest/at a minimum.
Govt also has such agencies to help companies with easy financing – SJPP
A jolly good and generous govt-these schemes existed long before election time
It seems that the opposition is all talk /netbull /name calling but no substance.
They talk and cucuk.
But govt has been already doing the good things but just not arrogant/slick enough to blow own trumpet
“The great Malaysian Dream” of DAP is NOT “a common identity not based on race or religion”, not based on “a democratic socialist ideal seeking to abolish poverty, ignorance, disease and all forms of social injustice and economic exploitation.” If that is the case, why object to NEP, which was formulated to eliminate the identification of race with economic functions?
The skewed and chauvinistic man knows that the Malays have been left far behind economically and educationally and there must be a narrowing of the huge disparities between the Malays and the Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak who form 70% of the population and the Chinese who form only 22%, for long term peace and stability in this country.
The so-called “Malaysian Malaysia” was the DAP’s racist response to any attempts at bringing about unity in the country. It clearly subverts unity as it subverts the Special Position of the Malays and the Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak. It asks for equality without acknowledging and manifesting its acceptance of that Special Position. That which has been in the Constitution of the country since independence. That which has been agreed by the non-Malays when the Malays agreed on citizenship for the non-Malays. That which must be respected if we are to avoid racial flareups of the 1969 kind.
What Lim Kit Siang says about a nation where there shall be no discrimination on the grounds of race, colour or creed is desirable. But DAP are the first fellows to fling that hope asunder, right from the date of its inception, hogging the slogan coined by the Maha Chauvinist, Little Emperor, Lee Kuan Yew, for which he got thrown out of Malaysia, lock, stock and barrel with PAP and Singapore in 1965.
Talking about “… The national language shall be the common language as a force of unity and not division,” yet supporting and promoting the interests of the Dong Zong which wants the continuation of Chinese schools using Mandarin – not Bahasa Malaysia – as the medium of instruction. “Lidah bercabang” and “cakap tak serupa bikin” are apt labels for those fellows.
And the statement, “.. being Malaysian should depend on certain universal values we share and subscribe, focusing particularly on democracy, freedom, justice, integrity and human dignity” is all talk only, not practised. It has been known for a long time that there has been limited democracy in DAP, Lim Kit Siang being called a dictator, and now Lim Guang Eng is famous for his gag orders, as well as deciding so many issues on his own, including the appointment of such personalities as Zairil Khair Johari to important positions without the due process of interviews and evaluation.
yeah. If not mistaken their own root party member are also unable to vote/ pick their own leader. Their own panel arbitrately decide