Today is May the 5th.
It is the first anniversary of the Chinese tsunami.
The Sun cover story today is headlined ‘Anti-hudud front: MCA prepared to work with DAP to oppose Islamic penal system’ (see below).
This would not be the first time that MCA is working together with the DAP. If MCA had not collaborated with the DAP during the last general election, the Chinese tsunami would not have happened.
The 13th general election was held one year ago on 5 May 2013.
Let’s recap. There were 13.3 million registered voters for GE13.
Voter turnout was 84.8 percent or 11.3 million for the Parliamentary election.
(Source: EC via Bernama)
As early as June 2012, it was already noted that “pengundi Cina senyap-senyap mendaftar” and how the community is over-represented in the electoral roll in proportion to their population share.
Chinese voters by state:
- Johor 39.30% (619,402)
- Kedah 15.52% (158,610)
- Kelantan 3.78% (34,171)
- Malacca 34.18% (148,520)
- Negeri Sembilan 30.69% (167,280)
- Pahang 21.35% (154,854)
- Perak 38.01% (530,460)
- Perlis 11.66% (15,706)
- Penang 53.92% (449,267)
- Sabah 17.08% (168,111)
- Sarawak 32.51% (345,771)
- Selangor 34.06% (683,597)
- Terengganu 3.59% (22,567)
- Federal Territories 51.42% (410, 969)
Chinese registered voters: 3,909,285
(Source: mStar)
Going by the national voter turnout of 84.84 percent, a total of 3,316,637 Chinese would have voted in GE13.
(The number should be higher actually as the “Ini kali lah” Chinese turned out in full force compared to the other races, but never mind, we’ll still just go with the national average.)
BN received 5,237,699 of the votes cast for Parliament while PKR obtained 2,254,328 votes, DAP 1,736,267 and PAS 1,633,389.
BN garnered 47.4 percent of the votes while Pakatan won the “popular vote” at 50.8 percent (popularly rounded up to 51%).
Lim Kit Siang nonetheless sneakily gave themselves a bonus of one percent, and yesterday in his anniversary message had misleadingly proclaimed “52% of the national voters voting for PR”.
Some 3.3 million Chinese voted in GE13.
MCA claims to have a million in membership.
Did MCA’s one million members contribute their one million votes to the BN tally of 5.2 million votes, you think?
Going by the numbers, it is impossible for BN to have lost all the Chinese seats including in Johor if the members of the BN Chinese parties had really supported their own party candidates.
The truth of the matter is that the majority of MCA members voted for the opposition.
Refer, Kit Siang: Term ‘Chinese tsunami’ is “downright racist”. Better all say “Chinese unity” then.
Line graph below:
BN’S SEATS IN PARLIAMENT KEEP DECREASING, PAKATAN’S KEEP INCREASING
Analysis of the GE13 results by Dah Ikhwan revealed that the average Chinese support for BN in the peninsula was 10.8 percent.
PERCENTAGE OF CHINESE WHO VOTED BN:
- Perak – 13.1%
- Penang – 12.6%
- KL & Selangor – 11.6%
- Johor – 11.1%
- Kedah – 9.2%
- N. Sembilan & Malacca – 7.2%
“Corak pengundian mereka mencerminkan kaum Cina begitu yakin yang mereka mampu memberi kemenangan kepada Pakatan Rakyat untuk menumbangkan kerajaan Melayu serta membentuk kerajaan persekutuan yang diterajui DAP. Dengan itu DAP telah berjaya memperoleh hampir keseluruhan undi kaum Cina …”, summarized Dah Ikhwan.
MCA president Liow Tiong Lai said yesterday, “I think we (MCA and DAP) have a cordial relationship) …” — see The Sun cover story.
Yeah, he can say that again. It’d be hard for an impartial observer to guess that the DAP is supposed to be the MCA’s arch rival given how warmly the MCA media is promoting the DAP evangelistas.
Thanks to all that campaigning by the MCA machinery on the DAP’s behalf, 38 DAP Members of Parliament and 107 DAP state assemblymen were swept into power in the last general election (plus Sarawak April 2011 state election).
Ong Kian Ming is a J-Star columnist, by the way.
The Chinese electorate elected these folks above into office: YB Lim (Segambut), YB Ong (Serdang) and YB Lau (Kg Tunku).
- Lim Lip Eng — famous for being staunch Christian MP who boasted that a DAP chief of air force or navy would surely have located MH370 (28 March 2014)
- Ong Kian Ming — evangelista famous for cornering the market on #sahur (14 July 2013) and “Insya Allah”ing away
- Lau Weng San — famous for suggesting that he would table amendments to the Selangor Enactment 1988 following the ‘Allah’ bibles seizure by Jais (4 Jan 2014)
Then we have
- Tan Kok Wai (Cheras) who is the acting DAP chairman,
- Ng Suee Lim (Sekinchan) who attempted to quote the hadith in the Selangor Dewan proceedings because he loves Islam,
- Thomas Su (Ipoh Timor) who acted as the lawyer for a Chinese towkay in the following court case ‘Lying under oath – justice blancoed‘
- and Anthony Loke (Seremban) who is the greatest Chinese defender of Islam.
You wouldn’t be faulted for thinking that Tan Kok Wai, Ng Suee Lim, Thomas Su and Anthony Loke all look like prosperous MCA Datuks.
The DAP supporters really and truly believe that everybody else but themselves are racist.
Why is “Chinese tsunami” a taboo phrase, and the J-Star strongly in denial (preferring “Malaysian tsunami” and “urban tsunami”?)
Read also, ‘Star columnist misleads readers on Umno GE13 performance‘
MCA leaders are at present anxiously waiting to be reabsorbed as federal ministers. The NST yesterday carried a story headlined ‘MCA wants to rejoin Cabinet to serve community‘ .
The problem here is that no community wants the MCA anymore. As we can see from GE13, the party has been thoroughly rejected by the Chinese whom it purports to represent.
Now the MCA is coming out into the open and publicly announcing that it wants to join forces with the DAP to fight hudud.
It is suicidal for BN to allow these backstabbers re-entry into the cabinet.
All BN supporters must loudly voice their objections to the return of the traitorous MCA.
It is clear that the MCA has betrayed the coalition.
BELOW: Three-term MCA Subang Jaya Adun Datuk Lee Hwa Beng with Kit Siang
Hwa Beng with Guan Eng
Evangelista Lee with Hannah Yeoh and Elizabeth Wong
(954 words)
Helen Ang 
Well, somebody wrote yesterday that he voted for Pas and he liked it, then proceeded to accuse another reader of wanting to impose their will on others when the subject of the Islamic Penal Code was brought out.
Ironic isn’t it ? Their people dress as Muslims, speak like Muslims, a notable few even come out and declare that they will defend Islam against a certain Chinese party every time that certain Chinese party object to the implementation of the Islamic Penal Code.
There is not need for Muslims to impose Islam and Islamic ways on non Muslims. The non Muslims from a certain “beyond race” party are already doing it for Muslims and mind you, we didn’t ask them to help us impose Islam and the Islamic way on non Muslims.
I love it how they crave our votes. They go all out to get our votes with all the hypocrisy thrown around. Yet even after doing their level best with all this pretension of being friendly, some might even say they are “allies” of Islam, they still couldn’t get our votes.
L O L !!!
Tepat sekali! Apa ada kena mengena hukum Hudud dengan masyarakat Cina. Hukum itu untuk orang Islam dan `pembersihan` penganut Islam disini.
Saya masih lagi ketika berada di Mekah pada musim haji 2011 yang lalu. Apabila azan dikumandangkan, setiap peniaga meninggalkan kedai mereka dalam keadaan terbuka dan tiada penjaga untuk ke Masjidil Haram dan tiada kecurian berlaku kerana patuh pada hukum ALLAH SWT. I was there for 43 days and make that observation everyday without fail. Semua orang takutkan hukuman Hudud dan ALLAH SWT!
(1) Status Mekah lain daripada yang lain. Ia adalah “kota suci”.
(2) Arab Saudi sebuah negara kaya. Cuba tengok pada negara-negara miskin yang melaksanakan hudud, misalnya Somalia dan Sudan.
(3) Di Arab Saudi, yang bukan Islam (misalnya pekerja asing bangsa Filipino) pun dikenakan hudud juga.
(4) Mahu tak mahu, golongan bukan Islam tidak akan dapat elak daripada terkena tempias.
(5) Negara-negara bukan Islam yang tidak mengamalkan hudud juga mempunyai kadar jenayah (kes mencuri) yang rendah, misalnya Jepun, Korea dan Scandinavia (Sweden, Norway, Finland & Denmark).
Cik Helen, I was living in Sabah for MANY years when the highways were merely dirt/stone roads accessible only by big lorries and 4WD vehicles. Isolated stretches of road and along the way one can find small stalls selling farm produce 24/7.
No one man these stalls, (you can shout at the top of your voice no body will appear) the farmers only hanged Milo cans – just pick wht you need (prices scribbled on the packets) and drop your money inside the can. Very similar to practices in Sweden Korperasi community. Farmers are mainly Muslim locals and Indonesians (labour).
Now with highways linking to all the major towns in Sabah, I doubt if they are able to do the same – segala jenis makluk termasuk DAP dah mula masuk kat sana.
Rina, what you tell is heartwarming. It’s a story of trust in the kampung and ulu areas (you know, where the backward people balik to “tanam jagung”). And as the Dapsters keep insisting, these rural people are so dungu they keep voting Umno.
If you walk into a Chinese shop in town, however, the salesperson will tail you like you’re a potential shoplifter ,D
Re. If you walk into a Chinese shop in town, however, the salesperson will tail you like you’re a potential shoplifter ,D
They did that to you as well?
LOL, the peril of wearing baju kurung.
ROTFL… I like The Face Shop facial cleanser for men and I used to buy if from their outlet in I-Setan and the salesgirl knows me well. Last year they close the outlet in I-Setan so I went to other outlets wherever I can find them now. Last month I was at Berjaya Times Square to buy the same and the minute I held it, the girl said “Let me hold that for you’ and I was like “huh?”
Really, really funny!
Ahh…
Songs I dedicated to both of you!
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‘If you walk into a Chinese shop in town, however, the salesperson will tail you like you’re a potential shoplifter ,D’
You are considers lucky if they didn’t hurls one or two nasty abuses in vernaculars!
you can get that in petaling street……!
Re. If you walk into a Chinese shop in town, however, the salesperson will tail you like you’re a potential shoplifter ,D
It reminds me of youtube videos of desperate housewives shoplifting milk formulas by putting them between their KANGKANG. ” the peril of wearing baju kurung”..How true..LOL
Indeed and this budaya is not only practiced in rural areas. One Indian Private Doctor in town (bless him) treated poor folks on a “bila ade wang senang senang datang bayar” basis, tak kira locals or PATIs. Tak bayar he would just write it off as community service.
People like this kurang ajar kok going to East Malaysia will definitely pollute the tranquility and simple ways of life of the people there.
Hukum Hudud kalau dilaksanakan , seharusnya dia akan menjadi sebahgian dari undang Negeri / Negara ,sewajarnya diterimapakai dan dilaksanakan keatas setiap rakyat Negeri / Negara tersebut bagi mengelakan percangahan dan pertindehan pelaksanaanya jikalau melibatkan rakyat ugama yang berbeda melakukan kesalahan yang sama.
Seharusnya kegahirahan melaksanakanya tidak pulak mendatangkan kemudaratan kapada umat Islam itu sendiri dikemudian hari.
Atas alasan apa kamu nak orang bukan Islam tertakluk kepada hudud? Ini adalah penindasan terhadap golongan minoriti jika ‘memaksa’ mereka dihukum di bawah hudud.
500 Masyarakat Cina Temerloh Sertai Demonstrasi Aman Protes Hudud
http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/Politik/20140505/po_02/500-masyarakat-Cina-Temerloh-sertai-demonstrasi-aman-protes-hudud
Re Demonstrasi aman itu diketuai oleh Pengerusi Gabungan Persatuan Cina Temerloh, Datuk Lai Thin Watt dan Ketua MCA Bahagian Temerloh, Datuk Wong Tat Chee.
Dah mula ni !
Lai Thin Watt berkata
“masyarakat Cina di daerah ini juga tidak berpuas hati apabila Ahli Parlimen Temerloh daripada Pas itu gagal mendengar luahan hati masyarakat Cina yang menolak pelaksanaan hukum hudud parti tersebut.”
Itu lah ! Bukan Pas gagal mendengar luahan hati masyarakat Cina tapi masyarakat Cina dah diperdayakan oleh DAP.
Dia juga kata kemenangan Nasruddin dalam pilihan raya umum lalu adalah hasil sokongan padu masyarakat Cina di daerah ini yang mahukan perubahan dan pembelaan.
Kalau begitu pergi cari DAP lah. Kan DAP yang kata Ubah !
“masyarakat Cina di daerah ini juga tidak berpuas hati apabila Ahli Parlimen Temerloh daripada Pas itu gagal mendengar luahan hati masyarakat Cina yang menolak pelaksanaan hukum hudud parti tersebut.”…..
Kat Temerloh ramai Cina Kopek.. yg sepatah Bahasa Kebangsaan pon tak faham. I wonder if they understand what PAS and PAS Hudud law is all about?
When the word potong is mentioned the first on their minds will be PAS Hudud Laws will potong their ‘business opportunity’ .. tu pasai depa keluaq demonstrate. Kalo tak pasai DUIT lu orang ingat mereka perduli ke apa nak jadi to the Muslim Malays?
They screamed for ‘Ubah’ and ‘Ini kalilah’ pre GE 13. Now they will be getting what they wished for: ‘Ubah’ from secular to Islamic and ‘Ini kalilah’ hukum Hudud will be implemented not only in Kelantan but the whole country as well. Once implemented it covers everyone including the non-Muslims. To them, I say “Padan muka!”
dah hampir setahun MCA tiada dalam kabinet. nampaknya macam tiada masalah.
wakil MCA tu orang melayu yang memberikan kemenangan so tiada wakil cina dalam kerajaan adalah bersesuaian, tepat lagi betul sebab orang cina memang tidak ingin/mahu peminpin mereka dalam kerajaan BN persekutuan.
meminta jawatan setelah mereka memperlihatkan dengan jelas mereka tidak menyokong adalah satu ketidakadilan yang melampau kepada orang melayu.
apakah tiada pengajaran, ingatan dan keinsafan kepada peminpin melayu dan orang melayu?
cukuplah mereka berada dalam BN tetapi bukan dalam kabinet sehingga mereka memperlihatkan wajah mereka pada PRU akan datang.
Kaum Cina dimana mana saja sentiasa mendapati diri mereka sukar untuk bergaul dengan orang tempatan. Lihat di Amerika mereka mempunyai China town sendiri di New York. Di England juga mereka berkelompok. Di Malaysia ini sepatutnya mereka mengambil kesempatan mensesuaikan diri dengan anak negeri tetapi mereka berpaling.
Terimalah akibat pengasingan tersebut!
`I think we (MCA and DAP ) have a cordial relationship` (despite of them being arch enemies). Either rightly or wrongly said by Liow Tiong Lai. Begitu juga dengan UMNO and PAS cordial relationship too. All on religion basis.
Things are make worst with each races children first 6 years of vernaculars schooling on pretext of learning of own languages. Separating children in such early budding years in learning each other cultures and `heart `definitely have damaging effect on nation unity agenda.
Now, two separate identity in an non unify future is a recipe for disaster. Blame it on some `popularised` politician who manufactured the recipe of disasters.
HUDUD is not meant to be expressed racially. It is meant to be holistic for justice to people.( of course, some may say what is justifiable `potong sana sini and tak bolih itu ini. I leave it to you with your own expression sehingga di`terangkan` olih yang berkewajipan )
Cina tetap Cina dan melayu tetap Melayu. There is no 2 ways about it. FULLSTOP. Chinese want it that way as shown in their vernacular schools and even now if you go to any Sekolah menengah Kebangsaan you will notice Chinese secondary students stick among their own kind as well as Indian and Malay student with their own group during any recess period or engagement. In the working atmosphere the rate of disengagement is very obvious.
Everybody should rally behind the single mainstream school system, like Singapore has done for the last 30 years.
Shouldn’t the DAP should be at the forefront of this effort to unify all Malaysians? Once the core mainstream subjects are determined, then latitude must be given to every linguistic community to fit in their own co-curriculums which they know best.
One of the hurdles of course, is the quality of the physical infrastructure of our schools and its facilities … we are somewhat behind Singapore in this respect.
One forummer asked that it would be strange for Malaysia to have 2 sets of law; one for Muslims and one for non Muslims.
Well.. is it strange now that Malaysia has to sets of schooling system; SK and SJK?
So nothing new what…
‘Well.. is it strange now that Malaysia has to sets of schooling system; SK and SJK?’
Good One!
Tapi biasa lah Setem, double standard. If a Cina complaint, HE IS SMART. If a Melayu complaint, HE IS A TROUBLESOME STUPID SAKAI,
re: “If a Melayu complains, HE IS …”
racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, reyceeeiist!!
Muahahahaha
Ya and that one too!
Setem,
Comparing schooling system with legal system is not a good yardstick. If you insist to have a standardised education system, i.e. to abolish SJK what about the following?
1. sekolah agama;
2. elite schools like MCKK;
3. missionaries schools;
4. MRSM;
5. the various pre-U courses like STPM, STAM, matrikulasi, diploma etc;
6. IPTS and IPTA;
7. private and international schools;
8. twinning programmes in private institutions.
Parents and students shall be given the option to choose their preferred education system. Education is very much a ‘private affair’.
For legal system pertaining to criminal laws, the offence is committed against the state. That is why the one suing the offender is not the victim but the state via the Attorney General. Criminal law is very much a ‘public affair’.
When it comes to public affair, people have a right to be treated fairly under the same circumstances. Where is the fairness if a non-muslim is merely jailed for committing theft whereas a Muslim has to ‘potong tangan’ (assuming conviction for both cases)?
‘Where is the fairness if a non-muslim is merely jailed for committing theft whereas a Muslim has to ‘potong tangan’ (assuming conviction for both cases)?’
You don’t get to dictate what is fair and what is not. Citing potong tangan, shows you utter ignorant of Hudud. So I suggest you sticks to what you know only for I strongly believe that you don’t have the authority to speaks about it.
FYI Merely citing the superficial is very insulting for Muslims. Are you a Muslims to begin with?
islam1st,
My question on fairness is not limited to hudud per se. I am nobody to question Hudud. My question of fairness has to be looked at the perspective of the criminal law in Malaysia, i.e. one set of hudud law for Muslim and the other civil law for non-Muslim.
Specifically, I am referring to a situation whereby 2 offenders of a similar offence will be subject to different sets of punishment. Just like what Mahathir said:-
“Mahathir said he still maintained his stand that it would not be fair to have different penalties between Muslims and non-Muslims for the same offence.”
Read more: http://www.fz.com/content/mahathir-says-muslims-malaysia-not-ready-yet-hudud#ixzz30tY1k4g4
How to we solve this dilemma?
unquote,”If you insist to have a standardised education system, i.e. to abolish SJK what about the following?:unquote
Yes, abolish SJK and I am for abolish all of them accept 1, 7 & 8, for national integration. 1 is religious schools which all races of Islam religion can attend. 7 & 8 are ok as long as BM or English is made as medium of instruction.
There has always been 2 sets of laws in Msia, syariah law and civil law. Hudud is an extension of syariah law. So nothing is now what?
Learn more about Hudud before commenting any further.
toshiba,
The schools listed by you (1-4) are merely Sekolah Kebangsaan. The language of teaching is BAHASA KEBANGSAAN not mandarin or tongsan mari. Why do we want to abolish them ?
1. sekolah agama; has the same syllabus as sekolah kebangsaan plus extra arabic language and islamic subjects.
2. elite schools like MCKK; – the difference is that the schools are mostly boarding schools and they get to “choose” their students.
3. missionaries schools; – same everything! they are sekolah kebangsaan.
4. MRSM; – MARA owned boarding schools. same as no. 2 above.
As for items 5-8, I do not see anything wrong. But I would like to know what would you suggest we have, same courses for all ?
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RE:”Where is the fairness if a non-muslim is merely jailed for committing theft whereas a Muslim has to ‘potong tangan’ (assuming conviction for both cases)?”
If you are referring to PAS-hudud-law, yes, it is not fair because they want to apply their man-made law just only to muslims.
Those who study the Quran would not agree to PAS-hudud-law because it is unfair. If it is not fair then it is not Islamic.That’s why I believe they want to set-up a technical committee to discuss this further.
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As for the topic, MCA should just leave BN and form a new coalition with DAP. If Gerakan wants to join, please do so. Seriously, the chinese in Malaysia now don’t really care about doing business anymore. They have everything and now it’s time to rule this country!
pakkaduk,
re: If you are referring to PAS-hudud-law, yes, it is not fair because they want to apply their man-made law just only to muslims.
Are you suggesting that hudud shall be applied to non-Muslims?
Which part of the hudud law proposed by PAS is not fair?
I don’t it is the issue of infra. Even Indons and Thai have single language schools too. Same goes for India too.
Little or no point to appoint any MCA MP into the Cabinet.
First and foremost the MCA had failed the BN. And that Soi Lek and his konco had declared that if MCA failed in the GCE13 no cabinet position for them. So why should they want to accept Najib’s invitation now? Tak malu.
DAP has taken over MCA’s role – to “protect” the Chinese. MCA should reject Najib’s offer. MCA should instead do its homework first. Strengthen its position among the Chinese voters.
Malulah konon ada sejuta ahli tapi ahli sendiri tak mengundi BN. DAP senyum syaitan.
Interesting u can’t win the heartland cina secara killing softly as hudud can changed them all is’t right Helen
Remember my analogy of the Chinese Malaysians ? I said that the Chinese are like the Ah Lian who while enjoying the lavish lifestyle with her Towkay husband’s (MCA) money, sleeps with the young and handsome Ah Beng (DAP).
MCA just doesn’t get it despite being screwed not once but many times. The Chinese need MCA but they don’t want the party.
The Chinese need MCA for its money. They want MCA to fight for vernacular schools and temples, language rights, solving problems from loan sharks to broken hearts and to fight hudud. But they won’t vote for or support MCA.
I can bet that even if MCA manages single-handedly stop the hudud, the Chinese will still vote for DAP. I don’t think MCA will able to reduce even 1% of the Chinese votes to DAP.
MCA can stop hudud or even over-turn NEP but the Chinese will still sleep with DAP.
If I am Liow (MCA head), I will tell the Chinese “Sorry, I don’t have the support of the Chinese community to represent them. Why don’t you get DAP to do your dirty work for once?”.
It is said that there is no taxation without representation. MCA should say that there is no representation without votes. They should stop operating their Service Centers and all their community work since it means nothing to the Chinese. No votes, no service.
DAP is getting away with murder because MCA does all the Chinese community’s dirty work. I think it is time for MCA to wise up.
If PAS wants to implement Hudud, MCA shouldn’t stop them since the Chinese voted for PAS and PR and they created this monster in the first place. Every action has consequences and for the Chinese, it is time to pay back.
If MCA won’t act, then Umno should.
You think Umno is going to take action ?
The grassroots that want to see BN survive the next general election must prod Umno to do so. Sekali BN kalah PRU, it’ll be like Selangor where the DAP has dug its claws in and BN can’t win back the state.
It is the enemy within that’s lethal.
Personally I agree. The Chinese and those liberal Malays who voted for PR don’t see the Big Picture. You can say whatever you want about UMNO but it is a secular party and the only one that capable of keeping Malaysia secular.
Even on the global geo-political level, it is in the interests of Western powers and other nations that Malaysia remains as a progressive, secular Muslim country that showcases Islam in a positive light.
You can argue about the same about Indonesia and Turkey and to a certain extent they are too but if you know enough about these two countries you wouldn’t exactly term them as models to be emulated.
PAS has always been a fundamentalist party bent on Wahhabi ideology and only the blind PR supporters fail to see the obvious. As for PKR, we need to remember that despite its so-called liberal stance and multi-racial membership, it is led by Anwar, who is bankrolled by the Saudi paymasters and has a long track record of being partial to Wahhabism. Remember, his wife Wan Azizah is the first minister’s wife to wear tudung. Anwar will agree to hudud if it suits his ambitions.
The Chinese and liberal Malays badly miscalculated by voting for PR since it dealt a fatal blow for non Muslim parties in BN. UMNO was not affected and in fact gained more seats in 2013 remember. Parties like Gerakan and MCA were virtually wiped out. They also made Najib’s position so shaky that he’s weak politically.
So from the point of view of UMNO, why should they care about what the Chinese want? Why should they oppose PAS’ plan for hudud? Because if they do, PAS will label UMNO as anti-Islam and draw away Muslim votes. But if UMNO don’t, do you think the Chinese will vote BN ? Nope, they won’t. So the answer is obvious.
So if Malaysia one day implements hudud, it is because the Chinese slept with DAP gave birth to the hudud baby.
re: “only the blind PR supporters fail to see the obvious”
Addiction to Holy Water, like heroin, impairs one’s critical faculties.
re: “Anwar will agree to hudud if it suits his ambitions.”
Of course. Padan muka si Dapster.
re: “The Chinese and liberal Malays badly miscalculated by voting for PR since it dealt a fatal blow for non Muslim parties in BN.”
MCA was the architect of its own destruction. It colluded with the evangelistas.
re: “Parties like Gerakan and MCA were virtually wiped out.”
They’re Born Again in the DAP. They’ve already arisen through the DAP vessel, haven’t you noticed? ,)
re: “They also made Najib’s position so shaky that he’s weak politically.”
Yup, the most Chinese-friendly PM since the Tunku and they Dapsters keep spitting in his face.
re: “So from the point of view of UMNO, why should they care about what the Chinese want?”
Ah-huh, why bother indeed.
re: “But if UMNO don’t, do you think the Chinese will vote BN? Nope, they won’t. So the answer is obvious.”
Answer staring you in the face. If Umno does, don’t hope for any “thank you”. If Umno doesn’t, they’ll just continue their Nazi name-calling.
re: “So if Malaysia one day implements hudud, it is because the Chinese slept with DAP gave birth to the hudud baby.”
One day the future generations of Chinese will curse the DAP evangelistas.
I have been observing the Chinese and their voting pattern for a long time. The pattern has been clever and strategic, not just at the national level but also at state level (esp at Penang). They always had a good political sense in keeping a sensible balance of power between MCA/Gerakan and DAP.
But something strange happened since 2008. The community as a whole lost their political acumen and gave way to emotions. As such their actions became illogical and ended up “keris makan tuan”.
I remember the Chinese voters strongly rejecting DAP for their alliance with PAS in Barisan Alternatif. As such DAP left BA. The reason why the Chinese did so because they knew PAS’ addiction to wahabbi-style Islam. Yet, the current generation of Chinese, supposedly smarter and better informed yet actually believe in PAS for All and their Welfare State concepts.
By rejecting BN completely and making UMNO dependent entirely on Malay votes and kill of non Muslim BN parties, the Chinese have dug their own graves.
The Chinese majority seats are many now especially in the urban areas but in GE14 and especially in GE15 the situation will change dramatically with most of these seats will be Malay majority. BN will take back Penang and Selangor with or without Chinese votes. The CM of Penang will be a Malay. GE13 was the peak of Chinese voting power and they threw it way. A smarter community would have worked with Najib to finetune NEP and gain further concessions. Instead they spit on his face.
So if PAS implemented hudud and UMNO supports it, then they have only themselves to blame.
re: “By rejecting BN completely and making UMNO dependent entirely on Malay votes and kill of non Muslim BN parties, the Chinese have dug their own graves.”
You’re 101 percent spot on.
re: You’re 101 percent spot on.
Why? Is there any particular adverse impact that the Chinese have suffered since the election last year which the non-Chinese have not suffered?
Hudud.
Orang Cina dah macam kera kena belacan.
Orang Melayu selamba aje kalu pun hudud dilaksanakan.
Same issue, different reactions.
Helen,
re: Orang Cina dah macam kera kena belacan.
Adakah belacan itu dah betul-betul kena pada orang Cina?
Sudahkah hudud dilaksanakan?
Kalau orang Cina tak takut terhadap hudud dan pelaksanaannya, kenapa perangai macam monyet tertelan wasabi?
Hak bersuara. Lagipun, bukan sahaja orang Cina yang bersuara menentang hudud. Orang Sabah Sarawak dan juga sesetengah orang Melayu. Contohnya, Mahathir.
Lagipun, persoalan asal saya adalah “Is there any particular adverse impact that the Chinese have suffered since the election last year which the non-Chinese have not suffered?”
Jawapan ‘hudud’ anda seperti tidak menjawab soalan saya kerana yang menerima tempias hudud dan menyatakan bantahan adalah bukan orang cina sahaja.
re: “yang menerima tempias hudud dan menyatakan bantahan adalah bukan orang cina sahaja”
Yang paling lantang membantah ialah orang Cina.
The Indians haven’t coalesced into a gagasan as yet unlike the MCA-Gerakan-SUPP-LDP-plus-DAP “join forces”.
Setakat ini, reaksi pribumi BN Sabah dan Sarawak ialah “wait and see”.
“Adverse impact” … sure.
88 percent of my poll respondents are freaking out at the thought of DAP in Putrajaya. DAP is synonymous with Chinese.
re: 88 percent of my poll respondents are freaking out at the thought of DAP in Putrajaya. DAP is synonymous with Chinese.
Let us be clear with the direction of our exchange of opinion here. Are we talking about:
a) ‘real and actual’ adverse impact that the Chinese have suffered;
or
b) ‘perceived’ adverse impact that the Chinese have suffered?
If 1,133 poll respondents say the thought of DAP taking control of Putrajaya scares the shit out of them, is their apprehension an adverse reaction against the Chinese one that is real and actual, or perceived?
Shall we be witnessing the monyet sodomite Anwar terhukum wasabi hudud? He is the guy who tied up alliances between the DAP and PAS for his own ends!
Helen,
re: If 1,133 poll respondents…………….
Now we are clear. Poll result is a perception. Anyone can conduct a poll in his/her blog.
I rephrase my question:
Is there any ‘REAL AND ACTUAL’ adverse impact that the Chinese have suffered since the election last year which the non-Chinese have not suffered?
re: “REAL AND ACTUAL adverse impact”
Well, do you consider Malays (belonging to a certain segment of the demography) freaking out at DAP a tangible impact as well as adverse reaction?
The Dap asswipes have to suffer more and soon . So that they can come to their collective senses soonest , also it has to have a scar as a souvenir.
UMNO need MCA to show as a front that BN is multiracial and multi religious to the world as a grand show, lah.
Otherwise all the leaders are Melayus only with sometimes one or two Keling and East Malaysian tribe.
So who are the real puppets?
Ah you’re here again. Typical opposition prick with all the racial slurs.
Vernacular thinking at its best!
Vernacular thinking at its best!
http://www.sinarharian.com.my/politik/mca-bankrap-prinsip-tidak-bertulang-belakang-1.277003
….. MCA claims to have a million in membership.
Take into account the numbers who crept away silently to vote for Pakatan, berapa sangat baki yang masih ade Cik Helen?
No wonder they closed their centers and refused all posts. Nampak sangat they cannot find anyone to occupy these posts pasai semua yang berkebolehan dah lompat masuk Opposition.
Calvin Sankaran’s description is apt, https://helenang.wordpress.com/2014/05/05/mca-colluded-in-chinese-tsunami-and-should-not-be-taken-back-into-cabinet/#comment-84163
It is an open secret in BN that MCA and Gerakan are filled with Dapsters. Whatever discussed within BN reaches DAP in matter of hours. That’s why many in UMNO don’t trust or hope on MCA or Gerakan. Remember the Melaka Wanita MCA head ?
re: “Whatever discussed within BN reaches DAP in matter of hours.”
All the more reason MCA should not be taken back into cabinet.
Hello Helen dan Assalamualaikum kepada pembaca sekalian…
Pagi tadi masa baca akhbar, terbaca le tentang kisah Gerakan yang nak bertanding di Parlimen Teluk Intan…
Sebenarnya bagi saya le, lebih baik Gerakan duduk diam-diam… Bagi saya lebih baik Umno je yang bertanding di Parlimen Teluk Intan…
Kenapa ye??? Baiklah… Di bawah Parlimen Teluk Intan ni ada 2 DUN iaitu DUN Pasir Berdamar dan juga Dun Changkat Jong… Melihat kepada pola pengundian, walaupun M Kayveas kalah besar di DUN Pasir Berdamar, tetapi keputusan di DUN Changkat Jong menunjukkan yang UMNO menang dengan jumlah majoriti 1118…
Di sini juga jika BN ni takde telur dan pelir tetap jugak dengar nasihat ****** Gerakan yang sengaja je ambil kesempatan untuk bertanding di Parlimen Teluk Intan, CONFIRM pengundi Melayu di kawasan Parlimen Teluk Intan akan menolak sepenuhnya calon ****** Gerakan ini…
Jika Umno bertanding di Parlimen Teluk Intan kemungkinan untuk Umno menang adalah 50%… Ini disebabkan kemungkinan seperti ini…
Pengundi Pas swing mengundi calon Umno… Jika pengundi Pas swing, kemungkinan besar (kemungkinan je la) sekurang2nya Umno akan mendapat undi sebanyak 17000 di kawasan dun Changkat Jong sahaja… Ini tidak mustahil jika kita melihat pada pola pengundian pada PRU 13… Walaupun mendiang mendapat undi sebanyak 27399, namun pengiraan mendapati yang mendiang juga kehilangan undi sebanyak lebih 2000 daripada kedua2 belah DUN… Kemungkinan besar undi yang hilang itu adalah daripada undi Pas…
Tetapi jangan lupa juga yang Pas juga boleh bertindak menjadi pengkhianat Melayu… Ini disebabkan sejarah telah banyak kali berlaku… Paling tidak dilupakan adalah pada 1969 iaitu semasa Pas berjanji kepada Mahathir untuk mengundinya semasa bertanding di kawasan Parlimen Kota Setar Selatan namun Pas mengkhianat dan akhirnya Mahathir kalah…
Adakah Umno akan bertanding atau ****** Gerakan, sama-sama kita lihat…
Saya setuju dengan satkajams.
BN tak perlu buang duit dan masa lagi. Tak perlu nak buat ujikaji lagi. Dah terang lagi bersuluh pola pengundian. Cina tak akan undi BN. Buatlah apa pun.
Letak saja calon UMNO di situ. Sekurang-kurangnya BN ada 50-50 untuk menang.
Lagi satu, nanti yang buat kerja pun UMNO juga bukan MCA atau Gerakan. Kasihan aku tengok Puteri dan Wanita UMNO setiap kali ada pilihanraya. Merekalah yang paling berkerja keras.
Ms H. Just a food for thought. A LARGE NUMBER OF CHINESE WANT A COUNTRY WHICH IS DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED TO THAT OF THE MAJORITY MALAYS. Have they gone NUTS ?
re: “Have they gone nuts?”
Their brain addled from overdose of Holy Water.
HW should be classed a narcotic and a dangerous substance. Those peddling it should be treated as drug pushers.
Ms H. For goodness’ sakes, let us hope they wake up sometime, somehow ! My waste paper man just told me he has become a ‘Christian’. to a fella who got ‘A’ for Scriptures. Hallelujah !
I do not foresee that they will come to their senses on their own accord. Like the marketing of pyramid schemes, it’ll just build up until it collapses.
In this case, like our friend Shamshul Anuar is wont to remind us, the triumphant Christian movement will lead to an inevitable clash with the Muslim majority.
Ms H. I doubt if the so called new Christians realise they are leading many innocents down the slippery road of no return.
Only today, my grizzled face illiterate waste paperman of 62 years old told me he and a group became ‘Christians.’ How these people were seduced to become ‘Christians’ have yet to be told.
Does he know that his leaders are now clashing with the majority Malays? The leaders of this very small group of people are responsible for the security, safety and well-being.
Ms H. And these Chinese are led by one Singaporean multi-millionaire, made and crafted in the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP spiritual homeland of Singapore of their spiritual leader the brillilant Lee Kuan Yew ! How SINGAPORE CAN YOU GET !
It is the do or die TPPA created by Singapore in 2006. Without this, the failed State of Singapore will fail ! Why ? Because Singapore could not move out of its SHELL to control a conquered hinterland with the wonderful natural resources, known as our beloved Malaysia with the Malays and us, Chinese and Indians.
Mr. Ed, you may be interested in these figures and facts:
http://thehearttruths.com/2014/05/06/singapore-first-world-economy-first-world-costs-third-world-everything-else/
Thanks Chris. I hope you are like one of us who are quite satisfied with our beloved Malaysia improving in small steps, little by little with all the imperfections of Humankind. I intro you
http://www.tremeritus.com/ and the red bean blog.
We can only do so much in reporting of historical and current events then analyzing these for our friends in government and in the various parties. But we can’t do any more for them like tell them how to vote or what to do to get government to act on any particular issue.
If at the end of the day the Chinese are the smarter and more pro active however crooked they are, then they win. The Indians in my view have labored long and hard to make themselves irrelevant and they are deserving of that placed they have earned amongst the others. That’s what thy want.
The Malays are generally eroding their place as a majority, a powerful and compelling majority and their place as the dominant and pre eminent race amongst equals because of their primacy as Malays in Malaysia.
The growing middle classes are embarrassed to tell the mainly Chinese what the Chinese ought to be told, Pakatan, DAP or MCA. The Malay dominated government is too busy making friends amongst a group they have been conned into believing have a god given “Midas touch” in business. The Chinese don’t. Neither do the Indians or anyone else for that matter.
It is a question of where people have placed themselves and they surrounded themselves with various myths about each other so that no one arises above their “station” in life.
“I LOVE PM”
A sexy hug from wanita MCA to Najib….see photo
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-p9PkQj1GTF4/U2b9IX-4EdI/AAAAAAAAzuM/__ej0lfzAXQ/s1600/najib+di+peluk+wanita+mca+ab.bmp
Najib dah terima Mca masuk kabinet semula, melayu ni memang tak sampai hati, mulut cakap saja garang tapi apa pun tadak sebab tu laa kepala melayu kena pijak selalu tapi kalu melayu sama melayu terbalik pula, tengok laa apa jadi kat Memali, royalti minyak Kelantan disekat habis habisan, langsung tak bagi muka.
itulah sebabnya pagi tadi bila ****** gerakan bising nak bertanding kat teluk intan, aku mengeleng je pasal kalo le BN bagi ****** gerakan tu bertanding konferm kalah besar BN
Kenapalah begitu marah-marah dengan Gerakan?
Apapun saya bersetuju bahawa peluang calon bukan Cina nampak lebih cerah di Teluk Intan.
Apa kata bagi kat MIC untuk mencuba nasib. Teluk Intan ada 19 peratus pemilih India, bermaksud setiap satu daripada 5 orang pengundi adalah keturunan India.
Dengan meletak MIC, Umno akan terlepas daripada tuduhan hendak merampas kerusi tradisi Gerakan / menegakkan Ketuanan Melayu.
Pendek kata, calon Cina dah tak laku lagi di kalangan para penyokong BN. Peralihan kepada MIC daripada Gerakan adalah sekadar satu percaturan strategik.
Letak calon UMNO pun takpa, peduli apa Cina DAP mau kata, bukannya dia target market UMNO pun!
Public relations-wise, letak MIC better. Umno will not come across as Big Brother throwing his weight.
Also 1 out of 5 Indian voters is a good venue to give the Indian support for BN an airing. Gain the goodwill of the community.
Helen, I understood public relations. But at this juncture, where UMNO at politically. I don’t think pulling the stunts would make UMNO be perceived as less evils.
Tun M had done a lot more for the Cinas and the Indians. Just look at how they wish to remember him now. How sad!
UMNO needs to be firm. People are watching. Tun M had said it, Najib is weak, thus all sort of problems arises!
Good for him…
Mohd Yacoob to contest as independent in Bukit Gelugor
GEORGETOWN : The Independent candidate for the state constituency of Sungai Pinang in the 13th general election, Mohd Yacoob Mohd Noor, today expressed his willingness to contest in the by-election for the Parliamentary constituency of Bukit Gelugor scheduled for May 25.
Read more at: http://english.astroawani.com/news/show/mohd-yacoob-to-contest-as-independent-in-bukit-gelugor-35273?cp
He will lose his deposit.
You put a dog or a cat at Bukit Gelugor on a DAP ticket, the dog or cat will win.
Bukit Gelugor is a JSubang clone in Penang.
In fact the Mujahid favourite church is there.
re: “In fact the Mujahid favourite church is there.”
Really? What’s the church called?
It is a message that needs to be sent out. He is still young, ISMA should rally behind him to send the message across.
The article you linked did not explain what his campaign platform is.
I meant to get ISMA to rally behind him.
You gotta explain in what way his political platform would appeal to Isma.
Muslim-Malay (Mamak) – Professional – Centric. It is not along the line of anti-establishment, and not even a middle-ground between UMNO and PAS.
The issue in Pulau Pinang now is Malay and Mamak being systematically marginalized and what have UMNO, PAS and PKR done about it? When Datuk Jahara was labelled as racist for pointing out her view wrt several incidents/events, nothing has been done by any of those listed party. Among others:
1. Kedai-kedai Melayu dan Mamak dirobohkan tapi tidak pula bagi kedai Cina;
2. Kampung Melayu dan India dirobohkan;
3. Bacaan Al-Quran tidak boleh lagi dikuatkan sebelum Subuh;
These are racial-religious-centric sensitive issues if played loud enough may gain great momentum overtime. Issues that need to be put out there and heard by UMNO/BN as opposed to ‘peruntukan itu dan ini’. The Muslim Malay and Mamak are general upset, money will solve tangible needs but that it is how far it may go, but lending your ears and shoulder to cry on will give you an extra mile. Why do you think DAP has been peddling Teoh Beng Hock’s wife and child all this while? or why did Iguana Eng claim that he went to jail for standing up for a Malay girl?
Forget about Gerakan and MCA, for they are now busy courting back the long gone Chinese votes (Totok and non-Totok included).
Frankly, I don’t know what is his background, but judging by the look, he is one of those guys who is yet to be tainted by the 3-G (penyakit semua ahli politik tak kira party apa pun). If he is smart, community work will take him very far but of course he needs backup for that.
‘Mohd Yacoob to contest as independent in Bukit Gelugor’
This bastard has no platform. No respect for public property or authority either. He is a vandal who PAINTED his stupid name on public property and utilities all around Jelutong/Gelugor and surrounding areas during the last GE.
His act of vandalism remains for all to see to this day – with no action taken against him.
He ought to be arrested and charged for defacing public property instead of being allowed to contest.
Re. This bastard has no platform.
How very convenient of you to call someone a ‘BASTARD” right?
Re. No respect for public property or authority either.
So does the pro PAKATAN protester many of the times
Re. He is a vandal who PAINTED his stupid name on public property and utilities all around Jelutong/Gelugor and surrounding areas during the last GE.
He is stupid because he has no means to finance and/or backup to fund his campaign for doing that; or the fact that he has a Mamak Face with Malay name; or both?
Re. He ought to be arrested and charged for defacing public property instead of being allowed to contest.
Why don’t you lodge a report or something.
re: ‘How very convenient of you to call someone a ‘BASTARD” right?’
I call all vandals bastards. Got a problem with that?
‘So does the pro PAKATAN protester many of the times’
That’s why I consider both kinds bastards. BN have their own bastards too.
‘He is stupid because he has no means to finance and/or backup to fund his campaign for doing that; or the fact that he has a Mamak Face with Malay name; or both?’
Wrong on all counts. He’s so stupid that he can’t even think up a platform for himself, let alone get financing for campaign posters. You should ask people in Jelutong what they think of him instead of making stupid assumptions.
Btw, I couldn’t give a flying fuck if he were Malay, Mamak, Chinese or Indian or whatever. A stupid bastard will always be a stupid bastard, regardless.
‘Why don’t you lodge a report or something.’
If the people in Jelutong/Gelugor, MPPP and both PR and BN politicians couldn’t give a shit, why should I?
Besides, the bastard didn’t vandalise my area.
Btw, if this bastard is your idea of a credible “Muslim-Malay (Mamak)” opposition to DAP in Bkt. Gelugor, you’re dumber than I thought.
Re. Btw, if this bastard is your idea of a credible “Muslim-Malay (Mamak)” opposition to DAP in Bkt. Gelugor,
How very smart of you right?
Please read my earlier conversation with Helen to understand the point that I want to put across. It is not about winning Bukit Gelugor but about a message that need to be sent to across . Did I say Bukit Gelugor?
Re. you’re dumber than I thought.
Oh! really? Please show me one comment that you gave in here that has enlightened us all with new facts/info/suggestion, other than the usual “TONG KOSONG”.
Why don’t you get a glass of water to wash down that foot in your mouth now.
Kesiaaaan kau.
Just as the chinese dont need umno, umno also dont need the chinese asswipes.
Dont need this pretend pretend bullshit. Fcku them in the face.
re: “Umno also don’t need the Chinese asswipes”
Tell it to the Umno prez who is still pandering to the MCA and allowing their J-Star Bintang Lima to scissor the BN in the back.
And if DS Najib still refuses to listen, then you all do the Malay Power thingy ala berontak Malayan Union style.
Dont worry , the push WILL come to a shove.
So the final analysis, cinabeng makin tamak dan makin bodoh…. Ditipu Pas dan Dap. PADAN MUKA KAO!
Mana boleh cakap macam ni. Kalau mereka dapat tahu, mereka mengamuk kat laman social media l o l !!!
Good reading for 505
http://www.christianforums.com/t7693089/
When talk about tithe, the Church will quote OT to support it.
But why reject hudud, it is the laws in OT too, commanded by God.
How can the laws of God be outdated?
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/sideviews/article/a-christian-response-to-hudud-in-kelantan-rama-ramanathan
Also, the Messiah knew that the Jewish law required the execution to be carried out by the witnesses for the prosecution. The law required the witnesses to throw the first stone. If the victim didn’t die, the spectators completed the sentence – and the body was suspended until sunset.
Jewish law prescribed death as the punishment for many offences – even the disobedience of children:
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.” (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Like! Stone those rude kids. I might want to write a list. I have many kids in mind to stone.
Re. Like! Stone those rude kids. I might want to write a list. I have many kids in mind to stone.
Jangan la macam tu. They are just kids. I believe many out there wanted to stone me before when I was a kid.
Sadism and Sex in the Roman Catholic Cloisters: The Testimony of Sister Charlotte
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Ms H. The record of the MCA leadership through the decades from 1950 is clear. It has always been uneducated and unqualifited. The same applies to the Singaporean Trojan Horse DAP which leadership fared no better. This is the dilemma of the Chinese, Malaysian Chinese who permitted a void to develop and an attempt by those nutty so-called ‘Christians’ to takeover.
The latter also reflects on the weakness of the conventional Churches today in their homelands. This is a world-wide problem of change in the status of these conventional Christian churches now being undermined by religious game changers. With unfettled actions by these nuts, we can only expect trouble ! It is the majority of innocents like us who will have to bear their sins in time. They would have absconded to other green pastures. Vide City Harvest Church Trial, Singapore.